Three questions about IPhone 8

[Vicki]

Good Morning,

I have a couple of questions, three, concerning the IPhone 8 and IOS 11.

1. Does IOS 11 work with IPhone 5C and mini IPad II?

2. Does the IPhone 8 have a home button or not?

3. Does the IPhone 8 have an earphone jack or is it strictly Bluetooth?

Thanks.

Vicki

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Re: Three questions about IPhone 8

[Davy Cuppens]

Vicki
1. No.
2. yes.
3. It is strictly bluetooth.
Regards
Davy

2017-09-14 9:03 GMT+02:00, Vicki :
> Good Morning,
>
> I have a couple of questions, three, concerning the IPhone 8 and IOS 11.
>
> 1. Does IOS 11 work with IPhone 5C and mini IPad II?
>
> 2. Does the IPhone 8 have a home button or not?
>
> 3. Does the IPhone 8 have an earphone jack or is it strictly Bluetooth?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Vicki
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Re: Three questions about IPhone 8

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi Vicky. I can answer your first question. In regards to being able to use iOS 
11 on an iPhone 5 C and your iPad, Apple has stopped supporting 32 bit apps and 
devices. Therefore, iOS 11 won't be supported on these devices. iOS 11 is 
strictly a 64 bit operating system so only devices like the iPhone 5S, 6 and 
6+, etc. will be able to support it. HTH.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 2:03 AM, Vicki  wrote:
> 
> Good Morning,
>  
> I have a couple of questions, three, concerning the IPhone 8 and IOS 11.
>  
> 1. Does IOS 11 work with IPhone 5C and mini IPad II?
>  
> 2. Does the IPhone 8 have a home button or not?
>  
> 3. Does the IPhone 8 have an earphone jack or is it strictly Bluetooth?
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Vicki
>  
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Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

['Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone]

that’s what I am looking for.

From: Andy Baracco 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 23:52
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

The carriers may offer discounts as an incentive to switch.
Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mary Otten 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:27 PM
  Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?

  The price isn't going to go down very much this year. Unlike what happens 
with android phones, where you see all kinds of discounts and deals and two for 
one at Cetera, don't look for any big deals on the iPhone ex. Besides, as a 
blind person, it makes zero sense to buy this phone. You get nothing that you 
can't get in the iPhone 8 Plus.
  Mary



  Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:24 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


that price will come down over time if the market is anything to go on.

From: Jewel 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 22:30
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?

From what I hear, precious little to precious none!! and the price makes it 
even more unattractive!
Who wants to keep up with the well-heeled Jones' anyway?

 Jewel

From: Cris Ali 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?


I love the short text channel on Seeing AI.  I almost stopped using KNFB 
reader entirely because of that.  I used to use KNFB reader mostly to identify 
the pieces of mail I get, but now I use seeing AI instead.

Cheers,

Cris 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?


I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there 
are people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get 
anything good with KNFB Reader.

If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
document scanning channel in Seeing AI.

The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
accuracy.

A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to it 
then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a good 
ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page would 
probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t able to 
do a good job with an iPhone X.



Regards,

Sieghard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?


I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, 
text grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a 
huge OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not match the 
huge changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone.  
Of course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are noticeable 
between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…  but the speed and stability are 
functions of memory and processor>  I would imagine that the great improvements 
in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR results. 



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in 
iPhone 10?


Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the 
camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this? 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?


May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet.  
But I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could 
not find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist in 
iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight.  How many pixels on the retina 
display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always turned on.  I 
am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR 

Re: Three questions about IPhone 8

[Sadam Ahmed]

The iPad mini 2 will work with iOS 11.


https://www.apple.com/au/ios/ios-11/


Check the facts before writing in.


On 14/09/2017 5:33 PM, Davy Cuppens wrote:

Vicki
1. No.
2. yes.
3. It is strictly bluetooth.
Regards
Davy

2017-09-14 9:03 GMT+02:00, Vicki :

Good Morning,

I have a couple of questions, three, concerning the IPhone 8 and IOS 11.

1. Does IOS 11 work with IPhone 5C and mini IPad II?

2. Does the IPhone 8 have a home button or not?

3. Does the IPhone 8 have an earphone jack or is it strictly Bluetooth?

Thanks.

Vicki

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Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

[Bill Gallik]

I’m going to premiss my comment with a thought regarding Screen Curtain; as I 
recall there had been a thread on this very e-mail list that concluded that 
deploying Screen Curtain did not truly result in lowering battery drain.  If my 
recollection is wrong please disregard my following commentary.

Given that the iPhone X is equipped with OLED display panels, the advantage for 
anybody and everybody having this model is notably longer battery life.  Also, 
since the OLED display panels are significantly thinner than the LCD panels 
used in other iPhone models, whatever advantages that might manifest as a 
result would likewise be there for the sight-compromised community.

Nonetheless, the extreme added cost and the very real likelihood that most 
people (not just sight impaired persons) will decide the added benefits are not 
worth that added expense.

- Bill from Wisconsin
- "It is hard to believe that a man is telling the truth when you know that you 
would lie if you were in his place."
- US Editor and Satirist, H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)

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Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

[lenron brown]

If I upgrade to another Iphone this year, it's the 8 plus for sure. I
am not even in to smaller devices but would even consider going for
the 8 256 gb before I would buy the X. I want to give them another
year to get down face id, and I am really more of a touch id fan
because my phone doesn't need to look at my face to unlock. I can just
unlock really quickly with my device in my pocket. Plus I can't
justify the increased monthly cost. If the X had so many new features
the 8 didn't maybe I could.

On 9/14/17, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone  wrote:
> that’s what I am looking for.
>
> From: Andy Baracco
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 23:52
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in
> iPhone 10?
>
> The carriers may offer discounts as an incentive to switch.
> Andy
>
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Mary Otten
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:27 PM
>   Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in
> iPhone 10?
>
>   The price isn't going to go down very much this year. Unlike what happens
> with android phones, where you see all kinds of discounts and deals and two
> for one at Cetera, don't look for any big deals on the iPhone ex. Besides,
> as a blind person, it makes zero sense to buy this phone. You get nothing
> that you can't get in the iPhone 8 Plus.
>   Mary
>
>
>
>   Sent from my iPhone
>
>   On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:24 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone
>  wrote:
>
>
> that price will come down over time if the market is anything to go on.
>
> From: Jewel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 22:30
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in
> iPhone 10?
>
> From what I hear, precious little to precious none!! and the price makes
> it even more unattractive!
> Who wants to keep up with the well-heeled Jones' anyway?
>
>  Jewel
>
> From: Cris Ali
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in
> iPhone 10?
>
>
> I love the short text channel on Seeing AI.  I almost stopped using KNFB
> reader entirely because of that.  I used to use KNFB reader mostly to
> identify the pieces of mail I get, but now I use seeing AI instead.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Cris
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in
> iPhone 10?
>
>
> I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there
> are people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get
> anything good with KNFB Reader.
>
> If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and
> the document scanning channel in Seeing AI.
>
> The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed
> and accuracy.
>
> A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in
> difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to
> it then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with
> a good ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the
> page would probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who
> wasn’t able to do a good job with an iPhone X.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sieghard
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Cris Ali
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in
> iPhone 10?
>
>
> I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective,
> text grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not
> seen a huge OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvements do not
> match the huge changes in the photo quality across the various releases of
> the iPhone.  Of course the improvements in stability and speed of
> recognition are noticeable between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.…
> but the speed and stability are functions of memory and processor>  I would
> imagine that the great improvements in Cameras would be reflected in much
> more accurate OCR results.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in
> iPhone 10?
>
>
> Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of
> the camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this?
>
>

Re: Face Id accessibility explained by Jonathan Mosen

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
Actually, I think this face ID and the 3-D imaging that goes with it might be 
extremely interesting. for example, sticking with the idea of faces, could I 
not get a 3-D image of a face and then get a 3-D printer to make me a copy in 
real space? I wonder if I could do the same thing with, say, a room Scape? with 
a little imagination, this functionality could be extraordinary, especially, 
for us!
Just pondering, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 13 Sep 2017, at 18:11, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Mary, you have a 7 Plus, right? Unless you have more money than you can count 
> I totally agree that buying an 8, 8 Plus or iPhone X would be a waste of 
> money. If somebody has a ton of money and likes new toys I guess that’s fair 
> enough, but I think even those of us who have a 6S or 6S Plus can easily get 
> a third year out of these devices and I think as these phones mature and 
> revolutionary new features are becoming more difficult to develop more and 
> more people will keep their phone for at least 3 years, I mean who goes out 
> and buys a new $1,000 or more laptop every year or every 2 years, not that 
> many and in the tablet market Apple is already seeing this, somebody who 
> bought an iPad last year or two years ago is unlikely to buy a new one for at 
> least 3 or 4 years.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face Id accessibility explained by Jonathan Mosen
>  
> Thanks for that post. Very helpful. I'm still not going to buy this phone, 
> and I figured Applewood have some way of making it accessible, based on their 
> track record. Nice to know they seem to of done a thorough job.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> As before, I urge everybody who is curious about more information regarding 
> today’s keynote to listen to Jonathan Mosen’s Blind Side Podcast. You can 
> access it from www.mosen.org or if you Google “Blind Side Podcast” the first 
> and many subsequent search results will take you straight there. Here is what 
> Jonathan had to say about the accessibility of the Face Id feature:
>  
> http://mosen.org/face-id-accessibility-apple-offers-some-answers/
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
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Re: Duolingo

[Anouk Radix]

Hi, I was able to complete the first level of duolingo italian within the app 
but then i could not continue to basics II because that wont work with 
voicover. I could if someone clicked on it for me but since i live alone..
The website is more doable but on there you miss information to see what you 
will be learning/what you need to do per lesson.
Greetigns, Anouk,
> On 13 Sep 2017, at 15:00, Kelby Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know of a good blind-friendly introduction to this app? Tried to 
> use it but the very first level had me answering questions with pictures.
> 
> 
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Re: Three questions about IPhone 8

[Melissa Tucker]

I have question about the iphone 8 and above.  Are there any now voices to be 
added?

On Sep 14, 2017, at 3:33 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

Vicki
1. No.
2. yes.
3. It is strictly bluetooth.
Regards
Davy

2017-09-14 9:03 GMT+02:00, Vicki :
> Good Morning,
> 
> I have a couple of questions, three, concerning the IPhone 8 and IOS 11.
> 
> 1. Does IOS 11 work with IPhone 5C and mini IPad II?
> 
> 2. Does the IPhone 8 have a home button or not?
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> 3. Does the IPhone 8 have an earphone jack or is it strictly Bluetooth?
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> Thanks.
> 
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Re: Duolingo

[lenron brown]

anyone knows of an app that works better?

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> app but then i could not continue to basics II because that wont work with
> voicover. I could if someone clicked on it for me but since i live alone..
> The website is more doable but on there you miss information to see what you
> will be learning/what you need to do per lesson.
> Greetigns, Anouk,
>> On 13 Sep 2017, at 15:00, Kelby Carlson  wrote:
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>> Does anyone know of a good blind-friendly introduction to this app? Tried
>> to use it but the very first level had me answering questions with
>> pictures.
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Re: Three questions about IPhone 8

[Arnold Schmidt]

And another question: I gather that the 10 is the only one to use facial 
recognition at this time. So I would think touch ID will still be used on the 
8? 

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

On Sep 14, 2017, at 4:24 AM, Melissa Tucker  wrote:

I have question about the iphone 8 and above.  Are there any now voices to be 
added?

On Sep 14, 2017, at 3:33 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

Vicki
1. No.
2. yes.
3. It is strictly bluetooth.
Regards
Davy

2017-09-14 9:03 GMT+02:00, Vicki :
> Good Morning,
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> 
> 2. Does the IPhone 8 have a home button or not?
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Re: Email client

[Caitlyn Furness]

Are you talking i phone or mac?

On the mac, you can select all messages and then hit delete and it wipes them 
all out at once..

I wonder if this would also work on the phone?

HTH,
Caitlyn

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 12:29 AM, Michael Maslo  wrote:
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> Hello list. I was wondering if anyone knew a email client which offered the 
> ability to delete all messages at once. The native mail app does not offer it 
> nor the outlook app. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. 
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> Get Outlook 
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Re: Three questions about IPhone 8

[Christopher Chaltain]

On the question about whether it's strictly bluetooth, I would asume you 
could still use Lightning connected headphones or use a 3.55Mm to 
Lightninght dongle to use traditional headphones.



On 09/14/2017 02:33 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote:

Vicki
1. No.
2. yes.
3. It is strictly bluetooth.
Regards
Davy

2017-09-14 9:03 GMT+02:00, Vicki :

Good Morning,

I have a couple of questions, three, concerning the IPhone 8 and IOS 11.

1. Does IOS 11 work with IPhone 5C and mini IPad II?

2. Does the IPhone 8 have a home button or not?

3. Does the IPhone 8 have an earphone jack or is it strictly Bluetooth?

Thanks.

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sprint and AT&T offer discounts, and strings.

['Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone]

Might be good deals for some of you. Others, not so much.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/13/16303954/att-sprint-iphone-8-deals-announced-bogo-trade-in
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NAGDU app updated for iOS 11

[Wayne Merritt]

Greetings. For those interested the NAGDU app has been updated for iOS
11, and an Android version is coming by the end of the month. Read
below for more details.

Wayne

FOR IMMEDIATE USE

FROM: National Association of Guide Dog Users, National Federation of the Blind

RELEASE DATE: September 13, 2017

TO: All Media

CONTACT: Marion Gwizdala, President

 presid...@nagdu.org

 (813) 626-2789



Leading Guide Dog Users’ Membership & Advocacy Organization Releases
New Mobile App



When the National Association of Guide Dog Users
(NAGDU), a strong & proud division of the National Federation of the
Blind (NFB), launched the NAGDU Guide & Service Animal Advocacy &
Information mobile app in September 2014, it was hailed as an
innovative ambitious project. This mobile app was the first to compile
all the relevant state and federal service animal laws in the United
States, along with associated guidance articles to help service animal
users and businesses alike understand their rights and
responsibilities. Over the past three years, this mobile app has been
downloaded by nearly 5,000 iOS users and has been helpful in resolving
numerous access issues across the country!



Now, with the advent of iOS 11 and with the input from hundreds of
users, the National Association of Guide Dog Users is excited to
announce the release of version 2.0 of the NAGDU Guide & Service Dog
advocacy & Information mobile app for iOS and, by the end of
September, its Android version. Here is what you will find in version
2.0:



· Updated information on each state statute

· The laws for each of the Canadian provinces

· The ability to download the app from the Canadian app store

· The complete regulations concerning service animals from the
U.S. Department of Justice

· Specific guidance for industries of concern to service dog users

· Frequently Asked Questions to help these industries
understand their rights & responsibilities

· A direct email button to get more specific guidance & offer
suggestions

· A direct telephone connection to speak with a trained advocate

· A more dynamic app with frequent updates

· An Android version by September 30



“Those of us who use service dogs experience discrimination more
frequently than most are aware,” says Marion Gwizdala, a guide dog
user who serves as the NAGDU president. “We believe this new app will
help guide & other service dog users better advocate for themselves,
while providing accurate information to the general public and places
of public accommodation so that instances of discrimination are
resolved quickly and amicably!”



This incredible app is provided absolutely free as a public service by
the National Association of Guide Dog Users and was created with the
generous support of Aaron Cannon, a blind Software Accessibility
Engineer and member of NAGDU. We also extend a special word of thanks
to Michigan State University’s Animal Legal & Historical Center for
the use of their legal research and information on state and
provincial laws.  Before this announcement was even released, the app
had been downloaded more than 1400 times! To download your free copy
of this awesome mobile app, simply go to the App Store and type
“NAGDU” in the search field; it’s that easy! Once you download the
app, please browse through the information and send us your feedback.
You can do this directly from the app by using the “send an email”
feature. We look forward to hearing from you and working with you to
raze the expectations of the blind in the United States so we can live
the lives we want!



For more information about the National Association of Guide Dog Users
or the National Federation of the blind, please visit the following
websites:



National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)

http://nagdu.org



National Federation of the Blind (NFB)

http://nfb.org



About NAGDU



   The National Association of Guide dog Users is the
nation’s leading membership and advocacy organization for blind people
who use guide dogs.  NAGDU is a strong and proud division of the
National Federation of the Blind. NAGDU conducts public awareness
campaigns on issues of guide dog use, provides advocacy support for
guide dog handlers who face discrimination, supports sound policy and
effective legislation to protect the rights of guide dog users, offers
educational programs to school and civic organizations, and functions
as an integral part of the National Federation of the Blind. For more
information about the National Association of Guide Dog Users and to
support our work, you can visit our website at ,
send an email message to , or call (813) 626-2789.



About the National Federation of the Blind



The National Federation of the Blind is the oldest and largest
organization of the blind in the United States. The NFB knows that
blindness is not th

Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Russ Kiehne]

Do you know if you can still use file sharing in itunes 12.7?

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

The article says you can still manage ringtones you have with iTunes so that 
part won’t be changed would be my interpretation. I think there would be a 
pretty big outcry if Apple did not at all allow users to add their own 
ringtones.

As for the app store in iTunes, well, I haven’t used that to manage apps in a 
long time so as far as I am concerned I won’t miss it. Yes, I know that some 
Voiceover users like to make sure they have backup copies of apps in case a new 
update breaks accessibility and this just means set app updates to manual on 
the iPhone and let somebody else take the plunge first if you are really 
concerned.

What the author said about developing countries and bandwwidth and all that to 
me doesn’t make much sense since certainly people in developing countries often 
don’t even have a computer let along a home WiFi. My wife is from the 
Philippines which isn’t even among the poorest countries and even there people 
who have an iPhone are usually in the top few percent of the population in 
terms of wealth, the large mass of people there can’t afford an iPhone and they 
certainly don’t have a computer or a home WiFi network.

As for iTunes U it does make sense for that to be in something like the 
Podcasts app but why Apple won’t let you manage your books on the computer is a 
mystery to me, too. I think there is a big trend towards getting away from 
iTunes and having your phone tethered to a computer for all sorts of things, 
but having some of these options surely can’t hurt, either.

One feature I am sure many of us will like is the new Files app in iTunes. I 
just downloaded a Dropbox update and in the Whats New section it mentioned that 
Dropbox in this updated added compatibility with the Files app so you will see 
all your Dropbox content in the Files app. I assume OneDrive will follow suit 
and this new app should really make it much easier to add and manage files of 
all types on your device.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes impractical.

 

Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own ringtones? 
Are we boned as of latest version?

 




From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; 
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Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman





iTunes 12.7 appeared Tuesday following Apple’s slate of product announcements, 
and its version number hides how much that’s disappeared and changed in this 
release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as are ringtones. iTunes U and 
Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes for Windows lost its ability to 
manage books in iOS.

IDG 

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of fluff 
about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes’ feature creep over the years had made it 
an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn’t come with 
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause some 
difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low bandwidth caps, 
which can affect people across both the developed world (more the U.S. than 
elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes, which was always a strange 
fit. iOS apps were in iTunes, because iTunes was once the only way to manage 
content. But you’ll have to adjust your behavior and find new places to carry 
out activities you might have before. Let’s go through the changes.

What to do about no iOS apps in iTunes 12.7
The App Store in iTunes is kaput and there’s nothing you can do about, so dry 
your tears and let’s move on. Apple doesn’t let it go neatly out the door, 
however. After updating, I found that 5GB of “.ipa” files—the file format for 
apps—remained in my home directory (in ~/Music/iTunes Library/Mobile 
Applications/). You can throw those away unless you’re nostalgic.

If you were used to syncing your apps via iTunes and making purchases in macOS 
to sync back, that capability is now restricted to iOS. You won’t consume more 
bandwidth downloading an app via iOS than macOS—unless you have multiple iOS 
devices syncing the same apps to a single Mac.

Where it will really hurt is if a

Re: How To Manually manage content on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch using iTunes 12.7

[Russ Kiehne]

Nothing is said about using itunes file sharing?  I use itunes file sharing 
to transfer very large zip files into voice dream reader.  Will I stillbe be 
able to do this with itunes 12.7?


-Original Message- 
From: M. Taylor

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 6:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How To Manually manage content on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch 
using iTunes 12.7


Hello Everyone,

As there are many, like me, who use both Mac and Windows, I'm posting the
following article to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries mailing list.

The point of this support page, from Apple, is that one can continue to
manage custom media content in iTunes 12.7:

Mark

Manually manage content on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch using iTunes

You can manually add specific content from your computer to your iOS device.

With iTunes, you can manage the content on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod by
manually syncing specific items to your device.

If you have iCloud Music Library turned on, you can't manually manage music,
but you can still manage videos using the steps below.

Manually add items from iTunes
1.Connect your device to your computer.
2.Open iTunes. Make sure that you have the latest version.
3.Choose the content that you want to add to your device from your iTunes
library.
4.Look in the left sidebar for your device, then drag the content to your
iPhone, iPad, or iPod.

If you're using an iPhone, you can add music or videos only from a single
iTunes Library.

If you're using an iPad or iPod, you can add music from multiple iTunes
Libraries, but videos from only one iTunes Library.

If you can't manually add or remove content from your device

Check to make sure that the "Manually manage music and videos" option is
turned on:
1.Connect your device to your computer.
2.Open iTunes. Make sure that you have the latest version.
3.Locate and click on your device.

4.In the left sidebar, click Summary.
5.Scroll to the Options section.
6.Click the box next to "Manually manage music and videos."
7.Click Apply.

You might see a message that your device is synced with another library.
This means that you've used a different computer to sync your device in the
past, and iTunes can't sync without first erasing and replacing all iTunes
content on your device.

Manually add items from your computer

If you have media on your computer that you can't redownload from the App
Store or iTunes Store directly on your iOS device, such as custom ringtones
or iOS apps, you can drag and drop the media from your computer to your iOS
device using iTunes.
1.Connect your device to your computer.
2.Open iTunes. Make sure that you have the latest version.
3.On your computer, find the item you want to add to your device. If you're
looking for Apps, Tones, or Books (for Windows) that previously appeared in
your iTunes library, you can find them in your iTunes media folder.
4.Drag the item from your computer to your iOS device in the left sidebar of
iTunes.

Published Date: Sep 12, 2017

Original Article at:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201593


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RE: iPhone 6+

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I am very sure that next fall all iPhones will get Face Id as Apple really 
seems to think that this is the way forward when it comes to biometric security 
and they obviously spend a great amount of time and money to get this to work. 
Just as with Touch Id and as it was pointed out in one of the articles Face Id 
will surely get perfected, there will probably be a new 3D sensor in a year or 
two which will make it even better.
If your 6 Plus still works well and if you are not on contract any more then 
why not find the cheapest possible plan from one of the MVNO's like Consumer 
Cellular or whatever others have been discussed here and save up to get a new 
phone next year, if you can save up enough to buy a phone outright you can then 
even continue to stay with your low-cost MVNO.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Billy Maynard
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone 6+

Hi,

I think this has been talked about before.  I have an iPhone 6+.  how many 
verssions of ios will be still supported by the 6+?   Will 11?  like Most 
have said about the X I don't see an advantage to a blind person for the X but, 
the 8+ might be a nice upgrade?  I do wonder though will face id become the 
standard of any phones after the x replacing touch id on allthere moddles after 
the x.  Like would it move to the next gen iPad etc and any upcoming phones.  
Thanks for any help.

Billy Maynard,
P.S. I think I heard ios 11 might be supported by 6+ but, I can not recall if 
they said this is the last ios verssion that will be supported. 

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Re: Duolingo

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RE: Apple iPhone 8 Plus vs. iPhone X vs Samsung Note 8: Phablet spec showdown

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The iPhone has consistently beat Samsung's phones when it comes to real-world 
speed tests and camera performance and I have little doubt that the A11 chip 
will continue to whip Samsung's butt in this respect and that people who care 
about truly good photos will prefer the iPhone 8/8 Plus and X over Samsung.
Of course the Note 8 beats the iPhone 8 Plus screen in terms of screen size 
relative to phone size and in terms of pixels/quality since the 8 Plus does not 
have an OLED screen so here comparing the two is like comparing Apples and 
Oranges (pun intended).
I was wondering when Apple said the iPhone X had two hours more battery life if 
they were comparing this to the 7 or 7 Plus. According to this article they are 
comparing it to the Plus models so if the X truly has 2 extra hours of battery 
life compared to a 7 Plus or 8 Plus then then that is quite remarkable. 
Everybody who is interested in biometrics knows that Samsung's Face Id is a 
joke since you can unlock your phone with a photo so if I assume this can be 
turned on or off I wonder who would even turn it on considering this is the 
case.
I am surprised that considering how long fingerprint technology has been around 
the author said they had a lot of trouble with the fingerprint sensor on the 
Samsung. Of course putting it on the back of the phone in my opinion is stupid, 
they should have at least incorporated it somewhere on the side. For a while 
the rumours were Apple would put Touch Id on the back of the phone and the 
reactions I heard were consistently "Please, Apple, don't do this".
As for retina scanning that sounds like a big pain in the butt. I mean here 
people are already worried how easy and fast it is to unlock with Face Id where 
all you have to do is glance at the phone from a couple of feet away. I am 
quite sure with retina scanning you have to really line up the phone with your 
eye to do it and as one article points out, something you do 80 times a day 
needs to work quickly and more or less flawlessly. Of course this does not even 
consider the fact that retina scanning is probably a no-go for many blind 
people, certainly those with prosthetic eyes.

Regards,
Sieghard

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M. Taylor
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Subject: Apple iPhone 8 Plus vs. iPhone X vs Samsung Note 8: Phablet spec 
showdown

Macworld - Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 3:30 AM Apple iPhone 8 Plus vs. 
iPhone X vs Samsung Note 8: Phablet spec showdown Samsung's Galaxy Note 8 was 
the best phone you could buy for about a week.
Now Apple has come along and spoiled Samsung's party with not one but two new 
phablet-sized phones: the iPhone 8 Plus and the iPhone X. While the new iPhones 
still don't come with a stylus, Apple did upgrade them in just about every 
other way. So how does Samsung's flagship stack up to Apple's latest handsets? 
Let's take a look.
iPhone 8 Plus vs. iPhone X vs. Note 8: Size  Apple The iPhone X is 
significantly smaller than the Note 8.
If you're looking for the absolute biggest phone you can buy, Samsung wins 
here. It's Note 8 has a whopping 6.3-inch display, a good deal larger than the 
iPhone X's 5.8-inch one. But screen size doesn't tell the whole story.
With nearly an inch more screen than the iPhone 8 Plus and way more pixels than 
the X, you'd expect the Note 8 to be a significantly bigger package, but the 
dimensions are remarkably similar to the Plus:
Note 8: 162.5 x 74.8 x 8.6 mm
iPhone 8 Plus: 158.4 x 78.1 x 7.5 mm
iPhone X: 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm
iPhone 8 Plus vs. iPhone X vs. Note 8: Display  Jason Snell The iPhone X's Supe 
Retina display is simply gorgeous, but the Note 8's is no slouch.
Both the Note 8 and the iPhone X feature remarkable displays, with the iPhone X 
representing Apple's first foray into OLED screens. Samsung edges the iPhone X 
when it comes to resolution, but we'll need to compare the two in person to see 
which comes out on top when it comes to color and brightness. In pure numbers, 
however, Samsung takes the crown, both in size and resolution:
Note 8: 6.3-inch, 2960 x 1440 Super AMOLED, HDR, 532ppi iPhone 8 Plus: 
5.5-inch, 1920 x 1080 LCD, 401ppi iPhone X: 5.8-inch, 2436 x 1125 OLED, HDR, 
458ppi iPhone 8 Plus vs. iPhone X vs. Note 8: Performance  Apple The A11 chip 
in the new iPhones is something to behold.
Comparing iPhones to Galaxy phones has never been an apples to apples 
comparison, but on paper, Apple's A11 Bionic chip is a screamer. With six cores 
and 4.3 billion transistors, it looks to give the Note 8's Snapdragon
835 a real run for its money, at least in terms of raw power. In real-world 
use, however, the phones will be pretty close in speed, but the Note 8's 6GB of 
RAM could pull it closer in benchmarks. Apple has traditionally been stingy 
with its RAM thanks to the intense iOS optimizations, with the iPhone
8 Plus topping out

RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

For me the smaller size and 2 hours more battery life over the 8 Plus would be 
pretty compelling reasons to fork out the extra cash for an iPhone X. Of course 
that is also a really good reason for anybody who has a 6S/6S Plus or 7/7 Plus 
to simply fight the urge to run out there and buy a new phone just so you have 
the latest since I am pretty sure next fall every model of iPhone will have 
Face Id and an OLED screen. I think most of us on this list are not part of the 
group who has troubles counting their money and we really need to get away from 
this expectation or whatever you want to call it to upgrade every two years or, 
as some do, every year. Doing so costs hundreds of Dollars each year and given 
how mature phones like the 7/7 Plus or 6S/6S Plus are there really is no reason 
why one can’t keep them for 3 years. If you bought on a contract then going to 
a low-cost MVNO after two years can save you at least $200 or $300 in your 
third year, if you add that to what you would pay to get a new phone on 
contract you almost have saved enough to buy said new phone after 3 years 
without a contract. This means you can continue to stay with your low-cost 
provider and save even more over the next 3 years.
Companies produce so much stuff these days and we are constantly bombarded with 
ads and are told that we absolutely need all this latest stuff and while I am 
the last to say no to all of it, I am sometimes amazed about how many devices 
some on this list have who otherwise they they are unemployed and on a fixed 
and relatively low income. I know there are also many who work and earn a 
steady and comfortable income and I certainly don’t want to generalize, but 
I’ve been on this list for many years and have noticed this trend.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

I couldn't agree more. If I were in the market this year, I would get an 8+. No 
question.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 13, 2017, at 7:43 PM, Andy Baracco 
mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>> wrote:
The iPhone X offers nothing for a visually impaired person that would warrant 
the increased price. The iPhone 8 should service the needs of a visually 
impaired person well.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: Jewel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

>From what I hear, precious little to precious none!! and the price makes it 
>even more unattractive!
Who wants to keep up with the well-heeled Jones' anyway?

 Jewel

From: Cris Ali
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

I love the short text channel on Seeing AI.  I almost stopped using KNFB reader 
entirely because of that.  I used to use KNFB reader mostly to identify the 
pieces of mail I get, but now I use seeing AI instead.
Cheers,
Cris

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there are 
people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get anything 
good with KNFB Reader.
If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the 
document scanning channel in Seeing AI.
The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and 
accuracy.
A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in 
difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to it 
then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a good 
ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page would 
probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t able to 
do a good job with an iPhone X.


Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 
10?

I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, text 
grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a huge 
OCR improvements.  In other words the OCR improvem

RE: Three questions about IPhone 8

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Davy,

The iPhone 8, 8 Plus and X are not limited to bluetooth headsets, as 
Christopher pointed out there are Lightning headsets and Lightning to 3.5mm 
adapters. Of course now that all 3 phones support wireless charging you can 
again use a wired Lightning headset like Apple's Lightning Earpods while your 
phone is charging.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Davy Cuppens
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 12:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Three questions about IPhone 8

Vicki
1. No.
2. yes.
3. It is strictly bluetooth.
Regards
Davy

2017-09-14 9:03 GMT+02:00, Vicki :
> Good Morning,
>
> I have a couple of questions, three, concerning the IPhone 8 and IOS 11.
>
> 1. Does IOS 11 work with IPhone 5C and mini IPad II?
>
> 2. Does the IPhone 8 have a home button or not?
>
> 3. Does the IPhone 8 have an earphone jack or is it strictly Bluetooth?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Vicki
>
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Re: iPhone 6+

[Mary Otten]

It's pretty clear that the less secure version of Face ID should work for blind 
people who can't look at the phone. But it seems like a fair amount of the nice 
functionality is gone and the security is Les. How much less? That alone would 
make me not want this phone at this time. Maybe they will solve this problem 
and future. I hope so. I would hate to think we are stuck with a less 
functional less secure means of unlocking The phone, with the only alternative 
being the clunky inefficient passcode method. I wish they had put touch ID into 
the side button of this new phone. Maybe they will do that in the future, 
although I doubt it. Of course a sensor on the side isn't as convenient as a 
sensor on the front. But it beats sacrificing some functionality because you 
can't look at the phone.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 7:12 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I am very sure that next fall all iPhones will get Face Id as Apple really 
> seems to think that this is the way forward when it comes to biometric 
> security and they obviously spend a great amount of time and money to get 
> this to work. Just as with Touch Id and as it was pointed out in one of the 
> articles Face Id will surely get perfected, there will probably be a new 3D 
> sensor in a year or two which will make it even better.
> If your 6 Plus still works well and if you are not on contract any more then 
> why not find the cheapest possible plan from one of the MVNO's like Consumer 
> Cellular or whatever others have been discussed here and save up to get a new 
> phone next year, if you can save up enough to buy a phone outright you can 
> then even continue to stay with your low-cost MVNO.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Billy Maynard
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iPhone 6+
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think this has been talked about before.  I have an iPhone 6+.  how many 
> verssions of ios will be still supported by the 6+?   Will 11?  like Most 
> have said about the X I don't see an advantage to a blind person for the X 
> but, the 8+ might be a nice upgrade?  I do wonder though will face id become 
> the standard of any phones after the x replacing touch id on allthere moddles 
> after the x.  Like would it move to the next gen iPad etc and any upcoming 
> phones.  Thanks for any help.
> 
> Billy Maynard,
> P.S. I think I heard ios 11 might be supported by 6+ but, I can not recall if 
> they said this is the last ios verssion that will be supported. 
> 
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RE: Three questions about IPhone 8

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The voices which are available have nothing to do with the iPhone, if there are 
additional voices it will be a feature of iOS 11 and not of the hardware. iOS 
11 will be publically available next Tuesday.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Melissa Tucker
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 1:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Three questions about IPhone 8

I have question about the iphone 8 and above.  Are there any now voices to be 
added?

On Sep 14, 2017, at 3:33 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

Vicki
1. No.
2. yes.
3. It is strictly bluetooth.
Regards
Davy

2017-09-14 9:03 GMT+02:00, Vicki :
> Good Morning,
> 
> I have a couple of questions, three, concerning the IPhone 8 and IOS 11.
> 
> 1. Does IOS 11 work with IPhone 5C and mini IPad II?
> 
> 2. Does the IPhone 8 have a home button or not?
> 
> 3. Does the IPhone 8 have an earphone jack or is it strictly Bluetooth?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Vicki
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RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, it was in the article somebody posted.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 6:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Do you know if you can still use file sharing in itunes 12.7?

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

The article says you can still manage ringtones you have with iTunes so that 
part won’t be changed would be my interpretation. I think there would be a 
pretty big outcry if Apple did not at all allow users to add their own 
ringtones.
As for the app store in iTunes, well, I haven’t used that to manage apps in a 
long time so as far as I am concerned I won’t miss it. Yes, I know that some 
Voiceover users like to make sure they have backup copies of apps in case a new 
update breaks accessibility and this just means set app updates to manual on 
the iPhone and let somebody else take the plunge first if you are really 
concerned.
What the author said about developing countries and bandwwidth and all that to 
me doesn’t make much sense since certainly people in developing countries often 
don’t even have a computer let along a home WiFi. My wife is from the 
Philippines which isn’t even among the poorest countries and even there people 
who have an iPhone are usually in the top few percent of the population in 
terms of wealth, the large mass of people there can’t afford an iPhone and they 
certainly don’t have a computer or a home WiFi network.
As for iTunes U it does make sense for that to be in something like the 
Podcasts app but why Apple won’t let you manage your books on the computer is a 
mystery to me, too. I think there is a big trend towards getting away from 
iTunes and having your phone tethered to a computer for all sorts of things, 
but having some of these options surely can’t hurt, either.
One feature I am sure many of us will like is the new Files app in iTunes. I 
just downloaded a Dropbox update and in the Whats New section it mentioned that 
Dropbox in this updated added compatibility with the Files app so you will see 
all your Dropbox content in the Files app. I assume OneDrive will follow suit 
and this new app should really make it much easier to add and manage files of 
all types on your device.

Regards,
Sieghard

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes impractical.

Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own ringtones? 
Are we boned as of latest version?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; 
macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; 
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman


iTunes 12.7 appeared 
Tuesday
 following Apple’s slate of product 
announcements,
 and its version number hides how much that’s disappeared and changed in this 
release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as are ringtones. iTunes U and 
Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes for Windows lost its ability to 
manage books in iOS.
[itunes 12 7 yeah right]IDG

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of fluff 
about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes’ feature creep over the years had made it 
an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn’t come with 
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause some 
difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low bandwidth caps, 
which can affect people across both the developed world (more the U.S. than 
elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes, which was always a strange 
fit. iOS apps were in iTunes, because iTunes was once the only way to manage 
content. But you’ll have to adjust your behavior and find new places to carry 
out activities you might have before. Let’s go through the changes.

What to do about no iOS ap

Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory material

[Mary Otten]

I thought I sent out a message on this topic yesterday, but I'm not seeing it 
in my sent mail folder, so I don't know where it went. Anyway, I am considering 
the new Apple Watch when it comes out next week I guess. The LTE is intriguing. 
I know there are people on this list who have watches, and I'm curious about 
your use cases. What made the watch compelling? Up until now, I haven't seen 
much of any reason to have one. Also, I am interested in documentation about 
how you use the watch with voice over. I suppose there might be a podcast or 
two on Apple vis. But I am more a fan of written documentation then I am of 
podcasts. So, does anybody know of anything?
Mary


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RE: iPhone 6+

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I would really be interested to know ho wmany blind people really are unable as 
in incapable to look at the phone. I guess we'll hear how this works in the 
real world starting in November when these phones are going to be in the hands 
of people like Jonathan Mosen, other Podcasters and of course also some of the 
people on this list.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 6+

It's pretty clear that the less secure version of Face ID should work for blind 
people who can't look at the phone. But it seems like a fair amount of the nice 
functionality is gone and the security is Les. How much less? That alone would 
make me not want this phone at this time. Maybe they will solve this problem 
and future. I hope so. I would hate to think we are stuck with a less 
functional less secure means of unlocking The phone, with the only alternative 
being the clunky inefficient passcode method. I wish they had put touch ID into 
the side button of this new phone. Maybe they will do that in the future, 
although I doubt it. Of course a sensor on the side isn't as convenient as a 
sensor on the front. But it beats sacrificing some functionality because you 
can't look at the phone.
Mary


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> On Sep 14, 2017, at 7:12 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I am very sure that next fall all iPhones will get Face Id as Apple really 
> seems to think that this is the way forward when it comes to biometric 
> security and they obviously spend a great amount of time and money to get 
> this to work. Just as with Touch Id and as it was pointed out in one of the 
> articles Face Id will surely get perfected, there will probably be a new 3D 
> sensor in a year or two which will make it even better.
> If your 6 Plus still works well and if you are not on contract any more then 
> why not find the cheapest possible plan from one of the MVNO's like Consumer 
> Cellular or whatever others have been discussed here and save up to get a new 
> phone next year, if you can save up enough to buy a phone outright you can 
> then even continue to stay with your low-cost MVNO.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Billy Maynard
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iPhone 6+
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think this has been talked about before.  I have an iPhone 6+.  how many 
> verssions of ios will be still supported by the 6+?   Will 11?  like Most 
> have said about the X I don't see an advantage to a blind person for the X 
> but, the 8+ might be a nice upgrade?  I do wonder though will face id become 
> the standard of any phones after the x replacing touch id on allthere moddles 
> after the x.  Like would it move to the next gen iPad etc and any upcoming 
> phones.  Thanks for any help.
> 
> Billy Maynard,
> P.S. I think I heard ios 11 might be supported by 6+ but, I can not recall if 
> they said this is the last ios verssion that will be supported. 
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RE: Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory material

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mary,

The Apple Watch is primarily a fitness/health device. If you expect a lot from 
it beyond that don't get one. I bought one last November and of course wish I 
had waited for the LTE model although of course we don't know yet how much the 
monthly plan for it will be since it will require an extra plan and I assume 
this could easily add another $20 or $25 a months to all your bills.
It's nice for notifications and I think the LTE model definitely will be nice 
with respect to being able to take a phone call when you are out and about and 
don't want to bring your phone, but like I said, the big focus is 
health/fitness.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory material

I thought I sent out a message on this topic yesterday, but I'm not seeing it 
in my sent mail folder, so I don't know where it went. Anyway, I am considering 
the new Apple Watch when it comes out next week I guess. The LTE is intriguing. 
I know there are people on this list who have watches, and I'm curious about 
your use cases. What made the watch compelling? Up until now, I haven't seen 
much of any reason to have one. Also, I am interested in documentation about 
how you use the watch with voice over. I suppose there might be a podcast or 
two on Apple vis. But I am more a fan of written documentation then I am of 
podcasts. So, does anybody know of anything?
Mary


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Re: How To Manually manage content on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch using iTunes 12.7

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Russ,

Yes, iTunes file sharing is still there. It has its own entry in the list of 
content types, along with Summary, Music, Movies, etc.

Best,
Anna



> On Sep 14, 2017, at 9:04 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
> 
> Nothing is said about using itunes file sharing?  I use itunes file sharing 
> to transfer very large zip files into voice dream reader.  Will I stillbe be 
> able to do this with itunes 12.7?
> 
> -Original Message- From: M. Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 6:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: How To Manually manage content on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch 
> using iTunes 12.7
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> As there are many, like me, who use both Mac and Windows, I'm posting the
> following article to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries mailing list.
> 
> The point of this support page, from Apple, is that one can continue to
> manage custom media content in iTunes 12.7:
> 
> Mark
> 
> Manually manage content on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch using iTunes
> 
> You can manually add specific content from your computer to your iOS device.
> 
> With iTunes, you can manage the content on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod by
> manually syncing specific items to your device.
> 
> If you have iCloud Music Library turned on, you can't manually manage music,
> but you can still manage videos using the steps below.
> 
> Manually add items from iTunes
> 1.Connect your device to your computer.
> 2.Open iTunes. Make sure that you have the latest version.
> 3.Choose the content that you want to add to your device from your iTunes
> library.
> 4.Look in the left sidebar for your device, then drag the content to your
> iPhone, iPad, or iPod.
> 
> If you're using an iPhone, you can add music or videos only from a single
> iTunes Library.
> 
> If you're using an iPad or iPod, you can add music from multiple iTunes
> Libraries, but videos from only one iTunes Library.
> 
> If you can't manually add or remove content from your device
> 
> Check to make sure that the "Manually manage music and videos" option is
> turned on:
> 1.Connect your device to your computer.
> 2.Open iTunes. Make sure that you have the latest version.
> 3.Locate and click on your device.
> 
> 4.In the left sidebar, click Summary.
> 5.Scroll to the Options section.
> 6.Click the box next to "Manually manage music and videos."
> 7.Click Apply.
> 
> You might see a message that your device is synced with another library.
> This means that you've used a different computer to sync your device in the
> past, and iTunes can't sync without first erasing and replacing all iTunes
> content on your device.
> 
> Manually add items from your computer
> 
> If you have media on your computer that you can't redownload from the App
> Store or iTunes Store directly on your iOS device, such as custom ringtones
> or iOS apps, you can drag and drop the media from your computer to your iOS
> device using iTunes.
> 1.Connect your device to your computer.
> 2.Open iTunes. Make sure that you have the latest version.
> 3.On your computer, find the item you want to add to your device. If you're
> looking for Apps, Tones, or Books (for Windows) that previously appeared in
> your iTunes library, you can find them in your iTunes media folder.
> 4.Drag the item from your computer to your iOS device in the left sidebar of
> iTunes.
> 
> Published Date: Sep 12, 2017
> 
> Original Article at:
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201593
> 
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Re: iPhone 6+

[Mary Otten]

Well, I am reasonably sure I am one of those people. I say that because when 
people say "look at me", I can certainly face them, but I cannot make iContact 
in the sense that sightedPeople  do. Therefore, I figure I can't do it. And 
my guess is that there are other totally blind people, not to mention those 
with prosthetic eyes, who also can't do it. I think I read that if you have 
VoiceOver enabled, that look at the phone feature is automatically disabled. I 
might be wrong. God knows memory isn't what it used to be. But if that is true, 
one assumes that Apple figures most voiceover users can't look at the phone. We 
shall see, as you say.

Mary


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> On Sep 14, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I would really be interested to know ho wmany blind people really are unable 
> as in incapable to look at the phone. I guess we'll hear how this works in 
> the real world starting in November when these phones are going to be in the 
> hands of people like Jonathan Mosen, other Podcasters and of course also some 
> of the people on this list.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:07 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 6+
> 
> It's pretty clear that the less secure version of Face ID should work for 
> blind people who can't look at the phone. But it seems like a fair amount of 
> the nice functionality is gone and the security is Les. How much less? That 
> alone would make me not want this phone at this time. Maybe they will solve 
> this problem and future. I hope so. I would hate to think we are stuck with a 
> less functional less secure means of unlocking The phone, with the only 
> alternative being the clunky inefficient passcode method. I wish they had put 
> touch ID into the side button of this new phone. Maybe they will do that in 
> the future, although I doubt it. Of course a sensor on the side isn't as 
> convenient as a sensor on the front. But it beats sacrificing some 
> functionality because you can't look at the phone.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 7:12 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I am very sure that next fall all iPhones will get Face Id as Apple really 
>> seems to think that this is the way forward when it comes to biometric 
>> security and they obviously spend a great amount of time and money to get 
>> this to work. Just as with Touch Id and as it was pointed out in one of the 
>> articles Face Id will surely get perfected, there will probably be a new 3D 
>> sensor in a year or two which will make it even better.
>> If your 6 Plus still works well and if you are not on contract any more then 
>> why not find the cheapest possible plan from one of the MVNO's like Consumer 
>> Cellular or whatever others have been discussed here and save up to get a 
>> new phone next year, if you can save up enough to buy a phone outright you 
>> can then even continue to stay with your low-cost MVNO.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Billy Maynard
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:32 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: iPhone 6+
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think this has been talked about before.  I have an iPhone 6+.  how many 
>> verssions of ios will be still supported by the 6+?   Will 11?  like Most 
>> have said about the X I don't see an advantage to a blind person for the X 
>> but, the 8+ might be a nice upgrade?  I do wonder though will face id become 
>> the standard of any phones after the x replacing touch id on allthere 
>> moddles after the x.  Like would it move to the next gen iPad etc and any 
>> upcoming phones.  Thanks for any help.
>> 
>> Billy Maynard,
>> P.S. I think I heard ios 11 might be supported by 6+ but, I can not recall 
>> if they said this is the last ios verssion that will be supported. 
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Re: Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory material

[Harry Bell]

I’m put off the cellular model because, even if my current carrier soon offers 
such an add on contract, I understand that carriers are likely to charge an 
extra $10 a month just for the Watch LTE on top of our current carrier’s 
monthly charge for the iPhone SIM contract. As I bought my phone outright and 
now pay £7.50 a month for iPhone SIM only contract in U.K. with Giffgaff, the 
Watch LTE add on would more than double my monthly bill! So I’ll get a Watch 
for health and fitness reasons mostly but without cellular and simply schlep my 
iPhone with me wherever I go!
Harry

> On 14 Sep 2017, at 16:11, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I thought I sent out a message on this topic yesterday, but I'm not seeing it 
> in my sent mail folder, so I don't know where it went. Anyway, I am 
> considering the new Apple Watch when it comes out next week I guess. The LTE 
> is intriguing. I know there are people on this list who have watches, and I'm 
> curious about your use cases. What made the watch compelling? Up until now, I 
> haven't seen much of any reason to have one. Also, I am interested in 
> documentation about how you use the watch with voice over. I suppose there 
> might be a podcast or two on Apple vis. But I am more a fan of written 
> documentation then I am of podcasts. So, does anybody know of anything?
> Mary
> 
> 
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Re: How To Manually manage content on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch using iTunes 12.7

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

The Automatically Add to iTunes folder works just as it always has.

Best,
Anna



> On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:57 PM, James Homuth  wrote:
> 
> I assume the usual copy/paste will work as well? Also: Would I be right in
> assuming the "automatically add to iTunes" folder is also retired?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of M. Taylor
> Sent: September-13-17 9:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: How To Manually manage content on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch
> using iTunes 12.7
> 
> Hello Everyone,  
> 
> As there are many, like me, who use both Mac and Windows, I'm posting the
> following article to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries mailing list.
> 
> The point of this support page, from Apple, is that one can continue to
> manage custom media content in iTunes 12.7:
> 
> Mark
> 
> Manually manage content on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch using iTunes
> 
> You can manually add specific content from your computer to your iOS device.
> 
> With iTunes, you can manage the content on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod by
> manually syncing specific items to your device.
> 
> If you have iCloud Music Library turned on, you can't manually manage music,
> but you can still manage videos using the steps below.
> 
> Manually add items from iTunes
> 1.Connect your device to your computer.
> 2.Open iTunes. Make sure that you have the latest version.
> 3.Choose the content that you want to add to your device from your iTunes
> library.
> 4.Look in the left sidebar for your device, then drag the content to your
> iPhone, iPad, or iPod.
> 
> If you're using an iPhone, you can add music or videos only from a single
> iTunes Library.
> 
> If you're using an iPad or iPod, you can add music from multiple iTunes
> Libraries, but videos from only one iTunes Library.
> 
> If you can't manually add or remove content from your device
> 
> Check to make sure that the "Manually manage music and videos" option is
> turned on:
> 1.Connect your device to your computer.
> 2.Open iTunes. Make sure that you have the latest version.
> 3.Locate and click on your device.
> 
> 4.In the left sidebar, click Summary.
> 5.Scroll to the Options section.
> 6.Click the box next to "Manually manage music and videos."
> 7.Click Apply. 
> 
> You might see a message that your device is synced with another library.
> This means that you've used a different computer to sync your device in the
> past, and iTunes can't sync without first erasing and replacing all iTunes
> content on your device.
> 
> Manually add items from your computer
> 
> If you have media on your computer that you can't redownload from the App
> Store or iTunes Store directly on your iOS device, such as custom ringtones
> or iOS apps, you can drag and drop the media from your computer to your iOS
> device using iTunes.
> 1.Connect your device to your computer.
> 2.Open iTunes. Make sure that you have the latest version.
> 3.On your computer, find the item you want to add to your device. If you're
> looking for Apps, Tones, or Books (for Windows) that previously appeared in
> your iTunes library, you can find them in your iTunes media folder.
> 4.Drag the item from your computer to your iOS device in the left sidebar of
> iTunes.
> 
> Published Date: Sep 12, 2017
> 
> Original Article at:
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201593
> 
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Re: Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory material

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Mary and all,

My favorite thing about the watch is notifications going to my wrist. For 
instance, we were at a noisy event a year ago and were trying to meet up with 
friends. I was able to know when their text message came through because of the 
tap on my wrist; I would never have heard the chime from my phone or felt it 
vibrate. So the watch made the difference between finding and not finding them.

The fitness features are nice as well. Also, there are some useful apps. The 
built-in timer and alarm clock are great because with the watch muted, you can 
know they are going off without anyone else being disturbed. There's also a 
very simple app called clickr that I use for counting rows in knitting 
patterns; you double-tap it, and the count goes up by one.

I'm working on an Apple Watch book that will be published by National Braille 
Press in a few months. I don't know exactly when, but I would think it would 
come out near the beginning of next year.

Best,
Anna



> On Sep 14, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> I’m put off the cellular model because, even if my current carrier soon 
> offers such an add on contract, I understand that carriers are likely to 
> charge an extra $10 a month just for the Watch LTE on top of our current 
> carrier’s monthly charge for the iPhone SIM contract. As I bought my phone 
> outright and now pay £7.50 a month for iPhone SIM only contract in U.K. with 
> Giffgaff, the Watch LTE add on would more than double my monthly bill! So 
> I’ll get a Watch for health and fitness reasons mostly but without cellular 
> and simply schlep my iPhone with me wherever I go!
> Harry
> 
>> On 14 Sep 2017, at 16:11, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I thought I sent out a message on this topic yesterday, but I'm not seeing 
>> it in my sent mail folder, so I don't know where it went. Anyway, I am 
>> considering the new Apple Watch when it comes out next week I guess. The LTE 
>> is intriguing. I know there are people on this list who have watches, and 
>> I'm curious about your use cases. What made the watch compelling? Up until 
>> now, I haven't seen much of any reason to have one. Also, I am interested in 
>> documentation about how you use the watch with voice over. I suppose there 
>> might be a podcast or two on Apple vis. But I am more a fan of written 
>> documentation then I am of podcasts. So, does anybody know of anything?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: iPhone 6+

[Lynda Ingraham]

Hi Mary, 

I hear what you are saying. However, I would like to point out a couple of 
things regarding making eye contact. When a sighted person asksasks a blind 
person to look at them, depending on the acoustics in the room, the persons 
spacial awareness and overall head positioning of the blind person, how well a 
blind person can make eye contact is impacted by these factors. With the phone, 
all of these variables are removed. Additionally, the phone can recognize a 
person even if the phone is not held perfectly and directly in front of their 
face. With the phone in your hand, you have a lot more information than a 
sighted person simply asking you to look at them. With the phone in your hand, 
you can tell without a doubt whether your face is pointed towards the damera. 

I did have vision at one time. I don't know many blind people, myself included, 
that are able to flawlessly and consistently make perfect eye contact all of 
the time. Again, I think the fact the phone would be in your hand is a real 
game changer. 

HTH 

Lynda 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 6+

Well, I am reasonably sure I am one of those people. I say that because when 
people say "look at me", I can certainly face them, but I cannot make iContact 
in the sense that sightedPeople  do. Therefore, I figure I can't do it. And 
my guess is that there are other totally blind people, not to mention those 
with prosthetic eyes, who also can't do it. I think I read that if you have 
VoiceOver enabled, that look at the phone feature is automatically disabled. I 
might be wrong. God knows memory isn't what it used to be. But if that is true, 
one assumes that Apple figures most voiceover users can't look at the phone. We 
shall see, as you say.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I would really be interested to know ho wmany blind people really are unable 
> as in incapable to look at the phone. I guess we'll hear how this works in 
> the real world starting in November when these phones are going to be in the 
> hands of people like Jonathan Mosen, other Podcasters and of course also some 
> of the people on this list.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:07 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 6+
> 
> It's pretty clear that the less secure version of Face ID should work for 
> blind people who can't look at the phone. But it seems like a fair amount of 
> the nice functionality is gone and the security is Les. How much less? That 
> alone would make me not want this phone at this time. Maybe they will solve 
> this problem and future. I hope so. I would hate to think we are stuck with a 
> less functional less secure means of unlocking The phone, with the only 
> alternative being the clunky inefficient passcode method. I wish they had put 
> touch ID into the side button of this new phone. Maybe they will do that in 
> the future, although I doubt it. Of course a sensor on the side isn't as 
> convenient as a sensor on the front. But it beats sacrificing some 
> functionality because you can't look at the phone.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 7:12 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I am very sure that next fall all iPhones will get Face Id as Apple really 
>> seems to think that this is the way forward when it comes to biometric 
>> security and they obviously spend a great amount of time and money to get 
>> this to work. Just as with Touch Id and as it was pointed out in one of the 
>> articles Face Id will surely get perfected, there will probably be a new 3D 
>> sensor in a year or two which will make it even better.
>> If your 6 Plus still works well and if you are not on contract any more then 
>> why not find the cheapest possible plan from one of the MVNO's like Consumer 
>> Cellular or whatever others have been discussed here and save up to get a 
>> new phone next year, if you can save up enough to buy a phone outright you 
>> can then even continue to stay with your low-cost MVNO.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Billy Maynard
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:32 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: iPhone 6+
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think this has been talked about before.  I have an iPhone 6+.  how many 
>> verssions of ios will be still supported by the 6+?   Will 11?  like Most 
>> have said about the X I don't see an advantage to a blind person for the X 
>> but, the 8+ might be a nice upgrade?  I do wonder though will face id become 
>> the standard of any phones after the x replacing touch id on allther

Re: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why

[Alan Paganelli]

 I have the iPhone seven with the largest capacity available. I think I'll wait 
for several years before I go for a new phone.   



Alan

Sent from my iPhone 5s

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like somebody who wants to be heard, from all I have seen so far Apple 
> has really nailed this and I assume it will be much more intuitive and easy 
> to use as this person makes it out to be. As he said, he hasn’t tried it yet 
> and therefore it’s all just speculation. Apparently what Samsung has done so 
> far is a bit of a joke since it’s possible to fool their phones to unlock 
> when you show them a picture of a person.
> Apple said during their keynote that with Touch Id there was a 1 in 50,000 
> chance somebody else could  unlock yourphone with their finger print, with 
> Face Id they say the chance somebody elses face will unlock your phone is 1 
> in a Million unless it’s an identical twin.
> Where I do see it as more cumbersome is for blind people, I have a Roots 
> leather belt holster which when the phone is in it upside down as it has to 
> be because the headphone jack is on the bottom there is just a 1 inch wide 
> strap with magnetic closure over the phone and if you lift this up about the 
> third bottom part of the screen is exposed. This means I can unlock my 6S 
> Plus with Touch Id while I have it in my belt holster and I can open an app 
> in the dock or on the bottom two rows of the home screen and so on. Also, 
> sometimes in the winter I might unlock my phone in the pocket of my coat for 
> some easy operations and this of course won’t be possible any more unless I 
> enter my passcode which is a lot more difficult to do with one hand when I am 
> walking and have the phone in my pocket.
> OK so I guess it’s all a mute point for me personally since I am not planning 
> to buy an iPhone X nor for that matter an iPhone 8 or 8 Plus, just had too 
> many other large expenses this year like getting the roof on my house done, 
> we bought a new sofa/love seat/recliner chair set for our living room and a 
> few new expensive woodworking tools somehow ended up in my shop, too. If I 
> were still on an iPhone 6 or even a 5S it would be different, but my wife has 
> a 6S and I have the 6S Plus, both phones are in great shape and work 
> flawlessly, battery is still good and so we’ll wait until next fall to 
> upgrade. I would be surprised if Apple wouldn’t push Face Id and make it a 
> feature on all of their phones and maybe even iPads next year although now 
> that they have the “normal” 8 and 8 Plus and the iPhone X I would also be 
> surprised if they don’t continue with this trend and make a premium phone in 
> addition to 2 or 3 regular ones similar to how they have the iPad Pro. OLED 
> screens of course probably also become standard so it will be interesting to 
> see what they come up with to set a high-end phone apart from the rest so 
> that people are willing to spend an extra couple of hundred Dollars on it, 
> maybe I’m wrong and next year all phnes will get Face Id, OLED screen and 
> everything else which sets the iPhone X apart this year.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 8:40 PM
> To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; 
> viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why
>  
>  
> I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why
> Ars Technica  /  Ron Amadeo
> 
> 
> Enlarge / This right here. This gesture. Doing this 80 times a day sucks.
> The all-new iPhone X is out, and it's packed with technology. But one thing 
> it's not packed with is a fingerprint sensor. Like many phones in 2017, the 
> iPhone X goes for a nearly all-screen design, which means there's no more 
> room for a front Touch ID sensor. Rather than locate a fingerprint sensor on 
> the back, like many phones have done, Apple chose to do away with Touch ID 
> entirely. Instead, the X is relying only on the new "Face ID" facial 
> recognition feature for biometric security.
> 
> Face ID on the iPhone X uses a "TrueDepth" camera setup, which blasts your 
> face with more than 30,000 infrared dots and scans your face in 3D. Apple 
> says this can "recognize you in an instant" and log you into your phone.
> None of that matters. Face ID is still going to suck.
> 
> This is not the first phone we've tried with a facial recognition feature, 
> and they all have the same problem. It doesn't matter how fast or accurate 
> Face ID is, the problem is the ergonomics: you need to aim it at your face. 
> This is slow and awkward, especially when compared to a fingerprint reader, 
> which doesn't have to be aimed at anything.
> 
> Consider the "taking it out of your pocket" use case: If you're good, you'll 
> stick your hand in your pocket and grip the phone so your finger lands on the 
> fin

RE: Can you scan a street sign?

[Mr. Ed]

Hi,

I used both short text and the scene product.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kellie
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can you scan a street sign?

 

Which mode on Seeing AI were using to try and read the street sign with? When 
you said that I told you that it was a palm tree or something, that told me 
that perhaps you were using the scene beta? Maybe try using short text? I 
apologize for dictation errors I have a 9 1/2 month old and my other arm so 
can't really go back and correct very easily.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:05 PM, Evan Reese  wrote:

You might try Tap Tap See. I’ve used it to read the brand name and model of my 
neighbor’s boat, and someone’s car. Since the letters are bound to be large, 
make sure you stand back several feet to get a good view of them. I think it 
would work.

Evan

 

 

From: Mr. Ed   

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:55 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Can you scan a street sign?

 

Hi Everyone.

I tried using the Seeing AI app to scan a street sign. I thought someone said 
they used it to scan street signs. When I tried it it told me it was a palm 
tree with a sign. LOL. Any suggestions on what app could be used to read a 
street sign?

Mr. Ed

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RE: Can you scan a street sign?

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Richard,

I did try the short text but did not get it to work on the street sign. Any 
suggestions on how to do it that I might have over looked?

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can you scan a street sign?

 

The short text mode can work very well on street signs.

Richard

 

 





(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)


On Sep 13, 2017, at 6:30 PM, Kellie  wrote:

Which mode on Seeing AI were using to try and read the street sign with? When 
you said that I told you that it was a palm tree or something, that told me 
that perhaps you were using the scene beta? Maybe try using short text? I 
apologize for dictation errors I have a 9 1/2 month old and my other arm so 
can't really go back and correct very easily.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J   

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:05 PM, Evan Reese  wrote:

You might try Tap Tap See. I’ve used it to read the brand name and model of my 
neighbor’s boat, and someone’s car. Since the letters are bound to be large, 
make sure you stand back several feet to get a good view of them. I think it 
would work.

Evan

 

 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Can you scan a street sign?

 

Hi Everyone.

I tried using the Seeing AI app to scan a street sign. I thought someone said 
they used it to scan street signs. When I tried it it told me it was a palm 
tree with a sign. LOL. Any suggestions on what app could be used to read a 
street sign?

Mr. Ed

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Re: Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory material

[Mary Otten]

It looks like the big carriers here in the US will be charging $10 a month 
extra. Some are apparently offering three month free trial before that starts. 
I don't know if mine is one of those. Since I do have one of those big iPhones, 
I really wouldn't mind being able to leave my phone at home. It doesn't fit 
into all pockets easily. Smile. I also like the fact that with his new release, 
Siri will actually talk, not just put text messages on the screen. Depending on 
what if any improvements are made to Siri, that could be really nice.
Mary


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> On Sep 14, 2017, at 8:17 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> The Apple Watch is primarily a fitness/health device. If you expect a lot 
> from it beyond that don't get one. I bought one last November and of course 
> wish I had waited for the LTE model although of course we don't know yet how 
> much the monthly plan for it will be since it will require an extra plan and 
> I assume this could easily add another $20 or $25 a months to all your bills.
> It's nice for notifications and I think the LTE model definitely will be nice 
> with respect to being able to take a phone call when you are out and about 
> and don't want to bring your phone, but like I said, the big focus is 
> health/fitness.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory material
> 
> I thought I sent out a message on this topic yesterday, but I'm not seeing it 
> in my sent mail folder, so I don't know where it went. Anyway, I am 
> considering the new Apple Watch when it comes out next week I guess. The LTE 
> is intriguing. I know there are people on this list who have watches, and I'm 
> curious about your use cases. What made the watch compelling? Up until now, I 
> haven't seen much of any reason to have one. Also, I am interested in 
> documentation about how you use the watch with voice over. I suppose there 
> might be a podcast or two on Apple vis. But I am more a fan of written 
> documentation then I am of podcasts. So, does anybody know of anything?
> Mary
> 
> 
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Re: Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory material

[lenron brown]

I wouldn't mind being able to leave my phone either, a major reason I
am really thinking about preordering, or going pick one of these up in
a couple weeks. I have been waiting on the LTE model for a while now.
Glad it finally happened. I am really thinking to give my Iphone 6s
plus a new battery and wait a couple more months before upgrading the
phone and enjoy the watch.

On 9/14/17, Mary Otten  wrote:
> It looks like the big carriers here in the US will be charging $10 a month
> extra. Some are apparently offering three month free trial before that
> starts. I don't know if mine is one of those. Since I do have one of those
> big iPhones, I really wouldn't mind being able to leave my phone at home. It
> doesn't fit into all pockets easily. Smile. I also like the fact that with
> his new release, Siri will actually talk, not just put text messages on the
> screen. Depending on what if any improvements are made to Siri, that could
> be really nice.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 8:17 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mary,
>>
>> The Apple Watch is primarily a fitness/health device. If you expect a lot
>> from it beyond that don't get one. I bought one last November and of
>> course wish I had waited for the LTE model although of course we don't
>> know yet how much the monthly plan for it will be since it will require an
>> extra plan and I assume this could easily add another $20 or $25 a months
>> to all your bills.
>> It's nice for notifications and I think the LTE model definitely will be
>> nice with respect to being able to take a phone call when you are out and
>> about and don't want to bring your phone, but like I said, the big focus
>> is health/fitness.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:11 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory material
>>
>> I thought I sent out a message on this topic yesterday, but I'm not seeing
>> it in my sent mail folder, so I don't know where it went. Anyway, I am
>> considering the new Apple Watch when it comes out next week I guess. The
>> LTE is intriguing. I know there are people on this list who have watches,
>> and I'm curious about your use cases. What made the watch compelling? Up
>> until now, I haven't seen much of any reason to have one. Also, I am
>> interested in documentation about how you use the watch with voice over. I
>> suppose there might be a podcast or two on Apple vis. But I am more a fan
>> of written documentation then I am of podcasts. So, does anybody know of
>> anything?
>> Mary
>>
>>
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Re: Three questions about IPhone 8

[Davy Cuppens]

O Sieghard sorry that is a good point to mention I simply forgot about the 
existance of those lightning 3,5 plugs adaptors.

Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 5:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Three questions about IPhone 8

Hi Davy,

The iPhone 8, 8 Plus and X are not limited to bluetooth headsets, as 
Christopher pointed out there are Lightning headsets and Lightning to 3.5mm 
adapters. Of course now that all 3 phones support wireless charging you can 
again use a wired Lightning headset like Apple's Lightning Earpods while 
your phone is charging.


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Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 12:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Three questions about IPhone 8

Vicki
1. No.
2. yes.
3. It is strictly bluetooth.
Regards
Davy

2017-09-14 9:03 GMT+02:00, Vicki :

Good Morning,

I have a couple of questions, three, concerning the IPhone 8 and IOS 11.

1. Does IOS 11 work with IPhone 5C and mini IPad II?

2. Does the IPhone 8 have a home button or not?

3. Does the IPhone 8 have an earphone jack or is it strictly Bluetooth?

Thanks.

Vicki

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Re: Apple iPhone 8 Plus vs. iPhone X vs Samsung Note 8: Phablet spec showdown

[Bill Gallik]

Darn it all anyhow Sieghard, you stole my thunder when you brought up the 
obvious issue for retinal scanning for folks with prosthetic eyes! ;-)

I was going to post something to that effect.  But then, I can always include 
the issue where folks may have (as I do) very clouded and scarred corneas or 
highly advanced cataracts!

- Bill from Wisconsin
- "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society."
- US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)

P.S.
I always enjoy posts from Sieghard, they are so well thought out and clearly 
stated!

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How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

[Cris Ali]

Hello folks,
When I listened to the apple keynote, I did not quite understand the advantages 
of wireless charging.  My understanding is that one needs to place the phone on 
a wireless charging pad or stand for it to charge. This is not remotely 
wireless charging.  That means that we have to worry about more gadgets to 
carry when we travel.  In addition to the adapter and the wire, we will need to 
also carry a pad or a stand for the wireless charging to work.
I understood that if many public places provide wireless charging we would not 
have to worry about carrying our charging accessories.  However, I am not sure 
I would like to place my phone on a charging pad in a restaurant or café, or in 
an airport terminal.  Unless the wireless charging pad is on my table or on the 
arm of my chair, I would not use it.
Can someone who is more familiar with this idea and process explain it better 
to me?
Cheers,
Cris

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Re: Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory material

[Mary Otten]

Thanks for the responses. I wonder about the battery. Does the 42 mm size have 
a bigger battery? You might suppose it would. Of course, having never actually 
had hands on, I have no clue what 42 mm actually looks like. I have used 
braille watches ever since I was a kid. I suppose I could get somebody to 
measure the diameter of my brill watch to get some idea.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 8:44 AM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary and all,
> 
> My favorite thing about the watch is notifications going to my wrist. For 
> instance, we were at a noisy event a year ago and were trying to meet up with 
> friends. I was able to know when their text message came through because of 
> the tap on my wrist; I would never have heard the chime from my phone or felt 
> it vibrate. So the watch made the difference between finding and not finding 
> them.
> 
> The fitness features are nice as well. Also, there are some useful apps. The 
> built-in timer and alarm clock are great because with the watch muted, you 
> can know they are going off without anyone else being disturbed. There's also 
> a very simple app called clickr that I use for counting rows in knitting 
> patterns; you double-tap it, and the count goes up by one.
> 
> I'm working on an Apple Watch book that will be published by National Braille 
> Press in a few months. I don't know exactly when, but I would think it would 
> come out near the beginning of next year.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m put off the cellular model because, even if my current carrier soon 
>> offers such an add on contract, I understand that carriers are likely to 
>> charge an extra $10 a month just for the Watch LTE on top of our current 
>> carrier’s monthly charge for the iPhone SIM contract. As I bought my phone 
>> outright and now pay £7.50 a month for iPhone SIM only contract in U.K. with 
>> Giffgaff, the Watch LTE add on would more than double my monthly bill! So 
>> I’ll get a Watch for health and fitness reasons mostly but without cellular 
>> and simply schlep my iPhone with me wherever I go!
>> Harry
>> 
>>> On 14 Sep 2017, at 16:11, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I thought I sent out a message on this topic yesterday, but I'm not seeing 
>>> it in my sent mail folder, so I don't know where it went. Anyway, I am 
>>> considering the new Apple Watch when it comes out next week I guess. The 
>>> LTE is intriguing. I know there are people on this list who have watches, 
>>> and I'm curious about your use cases. What made the watch compelling? Up 
>>> until now, I haven't seen much of any reason to have one. Also, I am 
>>> interested in documentation about how you use the watch with voice over. I 
>>> suppose there might be a podcast or two on Apple vis. But I am more a fan 
>>> of written documentation then I am of podcasts. So, does anybody know of 
>>> anything?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory material

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It's good to know that carriers in the States will only charge and extra $10, I 
think that is quite reasonable. Let's hope here in Canada where there is a lot 
less competition and we pay some of the highest rates in the world carriers 
won't be too greedy and charge at least no more than $15, $10 or $12 of course 
would be nice.
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
lenron brown
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory material

I wouldn't mind being able to leave my phone either, a major reason I am really 
thinking about preordering, or going pick one of these up in a couple weeks. I 
have been waiting on the LTE model for a while now.
Glad it finally happened. I am really thinking to give my Iphone 6s plus a new 
battery and wait a couple more months before upgrading the phone and enjoy the 
watch.

On 9/14/17, Mary Otten  wrote:
> It looks like the big carriers here in the US will be charging $10 a 
> month extra. Some are apparently offering three month free trial 
> before that starts. I don't know if mine is one of those. Since I do 
> have one of those big iPhones, I really wouldn't mind being able to 
> leave my phone at home. It doesn't fit into all pockets easily. Smile. 
> I also like the fact that with his new release, Siri will actually 
> talk, not just put text messages on the screen. Depending on what if 
> any improvements are made to Siri, that could be really nice.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 8:17 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mary,
>>
>> The Apple Watch is primarily a fitness/health device. If you expect a 
>> lot from it beyond that don't get one. I bought one last November and 
>> of course wish I had waited for the LTE model although of course we 
>> don't know yet how much the monthly plan for it will be since it will 
>> require an extra plan and I assume this could easily add another $20 
>> or $25 a months to all your bills.
>> It's nice for notifications and I think the LTE model definitely will 
>> be nice with respect to being able to take a phone call when you are 
>> out and about and don't want to bring your phone, but like I said, 
>> the big focus is health/fitness.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:11 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory 
>> material
>>
>> I thought I sent out a message on this topic yesterday, but I'm not 
>> seeing it in my sent mail folder, so I don't know where it went. 
>> Anyway, I am considering the new Apple Watch when it comes out next 
>> week I guess. The LTE is intriguing. I know there are people on this 
>> list who have watches, and I'm curious about your use cases. What 
>> made the watch compelling? Up until now, I haven't seen much of any 
>> reason to have one. Also, I am interested in documentation about how 
>> you use the watch with voice over. I suppose there might be a podcast 
>> or two on Apple vis. But I am more a fan of written documentation 
>> then I am of podcasts. So, does anybody know of anything?
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Apple iPhone 8 Plus vs. iPhone X vs Samsung Note 8: Phablet spec showdown

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Apart from all of these things I still think retina scanning just sounds too 
complicated and it sounds to me like it requires great care when it comes to 
looking into the phone’s scanner.

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Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:48 AM
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Subject: Re: Apple iPhone 8 Plus vs. iPhone X vs Samsung Note 8: Phablet spec 
showdown

Darn it all anyhow Sieghard, you stole my thunder when you brought up the 
obvious issue for retinal scanning for folks with prosthetic eyes! ;-)

I was going to post something to that effect.  But then, I can always include 
the issue where folks may have (as I do) very clouded and scarred corneas or 
highly advanced cataracts!

- Bill from Wisconsin
- "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society."
- US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)

P.S.
I always enjoy posts from Sieghard, they are so well thought out and clearly 
stated!
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RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Chris,

I don’t claim to understand this fully, but yes, currently the technology which 
charges devices wirelessly from a distance does not exist. Maybe it exists in 
labs and I can almost guaranty that Apple is probably working very hard on 
getting this to work, but for now wireless just means that you don’t have to 
plug in a wire.
As for public spaces, I believe companies like Starbucks and so on have 
wireless charging pads built into tables so you could have your phone charging 
right next to you, obviously nobody would put their phone down on a charging 
pad and then go away and sit down 10 or 20 feet away.
As for charging when you travel there is nothing which prevents you to do this 
just as you have always done it which means bring your Lightning cable and plug 
it in. However, when Apple releases their “Airpower” charger as they call it 
then for people who have an iPhone, an Apple Watch and maybe Airpods bringing 
this instead makes a lot of sense since it can charge all three devices by 
themselves or all three at once and of course as time goes by this may even 
include other devices which adopt the standard.
As with everything once Apple adopts something, in this case the Chi wireless 
charging standard, they not only can pour a ton of money into it to make it 
better but accessory makers will also scramble to bring out a wide variety of 
devices to compliment it.


Best regards,
Sieghard

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Cris Ali
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

Hello folks,
When I listened to the apple keynote, I did not quite understand the advantages 
of wireless charging.  My understanding is that one needs to place the phone on 
a wireless charging pad or stand for it to charge. This is not remotely 
wireless charging.  That means that we have to worry about more gadgets to 
carry when we travel.  In addition to the adapter and the wire, we will need to 
also carry a pad or a stand for the wireless charging to work.
I understood that if many public places provide wireless charging we would not 
have to worry about carrying our charging accessories.  However, I am not sure 
I would like to place my phone on a charging pad in a restaurant or café, or in 
an airport terminal.  Unless the wireless charging pad is on my table or on the 
arm of my chair, I would not use it.
Can someone who is more familiar with this idea and process explain it better 
to me?
Cheers,
Cris

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RE: Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory material

[Sieghard Weitzel]

When I planned to buy my Apple Watch I was pretty sure I'd buy the 42mm model 
simply because it also gives you a bit more screen for gestures. However, when 
I tried it on I decided to get the 38mm model because I simply did not care 
about how heavy and clunky it felt. I wanted the stainless steel model which 
has sapphire crystal instead of gorilla glass and it's a bit heavier than the 
Sports model and I reeally can't see how a woman would want to put a 42mm watch 
on her wrist although it may help with your fitness goal as that arm would get 
more of a workout each time you raise the arm *smile*.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory material

Thanks for the responses. I wonder about the battery. Does the 42 mm size have 
a bigger battery? You might suppose it would. Of course, having never actually 
had hands on, I have no clue what 42 mm actually looks like. I have used 
braille watches ever since I was a kid. I suppose I could get somebody to 
measure the diameter of my brill watch to get some idea.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 8:44 AM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary and all,
> 
> My favorite thing about the watch is notifications going to my wrist. For 
> instance, we were at a noisy event a year ago and were trying to meet up with 
> friends. I was able to know when their text message came through because of 
> the tap on my wrist; I would never have heard the chime from my phone or felt 
> it vibrate. So the watch made the difference between finding and not finding 
> them.
> 
> The fitness features are nice as well. Also, there are some useful apps. The 
> built-in timer and alarm clock are great because with the watch muted, you 
> can know they are going off without anyone else being disturbed. There's also 
> a very simple app called clickr that I use for counting rows in knitting 
> patterns; you double-tap it, and the count goes up by one.
> 
> I'm working on an Apple Watch book that will be published by National Braille 
> Press in a few months. I don't know exactly when, but I would think it would 
> come out near the beginning of next year.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m put off the cellular model because, even if my current carrier soon 
>> offers such an add on contract, I understand that carriers are likely to 
>> charge an extra $10 a month just for the Watch LTE on top of our current 
>> carrier’s monthly charge for the iPhone SIM contract. As I bought my phone 
>> outright and now pay £7.50 a month for iPhone SIM only contract in U.K. with 
>> Giffgaff, the Watch LTE add on would more than double my monthly bill! So 
>> I’ll get a Watch for health and fitness reasons mostly but without cellular 
>> and simply schlep my iPhone with me wherever I go!
>> Harry
>> 
>>> On 14 Sep 2017, at 16:11, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I thought I sent out a message on this topic yesterday, but I'm not seeing 
>>> it in my sent mail folder, so I don't know where it went. Anyway, I am 
>>> considering the new Apple Watch when it comes out next week I guess. The 
>>> LTE is intriguing. I know there are people on this list who have watches, 
>>> and I'm curious about your use cases. What made the watch compelling? Up 
>>> until now, I haven't seen much of any reason to have one. Also, I am 
>>> interested in documentation about how you use the watch with voice over. I 
>>> suppose there might be a podcast or two on Apple vis. But I am more a fan 
>>> of written documentation then I am of podcasts. So, does anybody know of 
>>> anything?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

[lenron brown]

When I can charge wirelessly from a distance that's when it will
really matter to me, still a cool thing to have though so I am not
knocking it.

On 9/14/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> I don’t claim to understand this fully, but yes, currently the technology
> which charges devices wirelessly from a distance does not exist. Maybe it
> exists in labs and I can almost guaranty that Apple is probably working very
> hard on getting this to work, but for now wireless just means that you don’t
> have to plug in a wire.
> As for public spaces, I believe companies like Starbucks and so on have
> wireless charging pads built into tables so you could have your phone
> charging right next to you, obviously nobody would put their phone down on a
> charging pad and then go away and sit down 10 or 20 feet away.
> As for charging when you travel there is nothing which prevents you to do
> this just as you have always done it which means bring your Lightning cable
> and plug it in. However, when Apple releases their “Airpower” charger as
> they call it then for people who have an iPhone, an Apple Watch and maybe
> Airpods bringing this instead makes a lot of sense since it can charge all
> three devices by themselves or all three at once and of course as time goes
> by this may even include other devices which adopt the standard.
> As with everything once Apple adopts something, in this case the Chi
> wireless charging standard, they not only can pour a ton of money into it to
> make it better but accessory makers will also scramble to bring out a wide
> variety of devices to compliment it.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Cris Ali
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?
>
> Hello folks,
> When I listened to the apple keynote, I did not quite understand the
> advantages of wireless charging.  My understanding is that one needs to
> place the phone on a wireless charging pad or stand for it to charge. This
> is not remotely wireless charging.  That means that we have to worry about
> more gadgets to carry when we travel.  In addition to the adapter and the
> wire, we will need to also carry a pad or a stand for the wireless charging
> to work.
> I understood that if many public places provide wireless charging we would
> not have to worry about carrying our charging accessories.  However, I am
> not sure I would like to place my phone on a charging pad in a restaurant or
> café, or in an airport terminal.  Unless the wireless charging pad is on my
> table or on the arm of my chair, I would not use it.
> Can someone who is more familiar with this idea and process explain it
> better to me?
> Cheers,
> Cris
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Re: Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory material

[Andy Baracco]

i have never had the slightest desire to have an Apple watch.
Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 

To: ; 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:11 AM
Subject: Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory material


I thought I sent out a message on this topic yesterday, but I'm not seeing 
it in my sent mail folder, so I don't know where it went. Anyway, I am 
considering the new Apple Watch when it comes out next week I guess. The LTE 
is intriguing. I know there are people on this list who have watches, and 
I'm curious about your use cases. What made the watch compelling? Up until 
now, I haven't seen much of any reason to have one. Also, I am interested in 
documentation about how you use the watch with voice over. I suppose there 
might be a podcast or two on Apple vis. But I am more a fan of written 
documentation then I am of podcasts. So, does anybody know of anything?

Mary


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Re: Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory material

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

I got the 42 mm model when they first came out because I thought it might be 
easier to do the gestures on the larger screen. It covers the whole top of my 
wrist, but it has never seemed overly large. I have the aluminum model though; 
the stainless steel one might be too heavy.

Best,
Anna



> On Sep 14, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> When I planned to buy my Apple Watch I was pretty sure I'd buy the 42mm model 
> simply because it also gives you a bit more screen for gestures. However, 
> when I tried it on I decided to get the 38mm model because I simply did not 
> care about how heavy and clunky it felt. I wanted the stainless steel model 
> which has sapphire crystal instead of gorilla glass and it's a bit heavier 
> than the Sports model and I reeally can't see how a woman would want to put a 
> 42mm watch on her wrist although it may help with your fitness goal as that 
> arm would get more of a workout each time you raise the arm *smile*.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory material
> 
> Thanks for the responses. I wonder about the battery. Does the 42 mm size 
> have a bigger battery? You might suppose it would. Of course, having never 
> actually had hands on, I have no clue what 42 mm actually looks like. I have 
> used braille watches ever since I was a kid. I suppose I could get somebody 
> to measure the diameter of my brill watch to get some idea.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 8:44 AM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary and all,
>> 
>> My favorite thing about the watch is notifications going to my wrist. For 
>> instance, we were at a noisy event a year ago and were trying to meet up 
>> with friends. I was able to know when their text message came through 
>> because of the tap on my wrist; I would never have heard the chime from my 
>> phone or felt it vibrate. So the watch made the difference between finding 
>> and not finding them.
>> 
>> The fitness features are nice as well. Also, there are some useful apps. The 
>> built-in timer and alarm clock are great because with the watch muted, you 
>> can know they are going off without anyone else being disturbed. There's 
>> also a very simple app called clickr that I use for counting rows in 
>> knitting patterns; you double-tap it, and the count goes up by one.
>> 
>> I'm working on an Apple Watch book that will be published by National 
>> Braille Press in a few months. I don't know exactly when, but I would think 
>> it would come out near the beginning of next year.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m put off the cellular model because, even if my current carrier soon 
>>> offers such an add on contract, I understand that carriers are likely to 
>>> charge an extra $10 a month just for the Watch LTE on top of our current 
>>> carrier’s monthly charge for the iPhone SIM contract. As I bought my phone 
>>> outright and now pay £7.50 a month for iPhone SIM only contract in U.K. 
>>> with Giffgaff, the Watch LTE add on would more than double my monthly bill! 
>>> So I’ll get a Watch for health and fitness reasons mostly but without 
>>> cellular and simply schlep my iPhone with me wherever I go!
>>> Harry
>>> 
 On 14 Sep 2017, at 16:11, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 I thought I sent out a message on this topic yesterday, but I'm not seeing 
 it in my sent mail folder, so I don't know where it went. Anyway, I am 
 considering the new Apple Watch when it comes out next week I guess. The 
 LTE is intriguing. I know there are people on this list who have watches, 
 and I'm curious about your use cases. What made the watch compelling? Up 
 until now, I haven't seen much of any reason to have one. Also, I am 
 interested in documentation about how you use the watch with voice over. I 
 suppose there might be a podcast or two on Apple vis. But I am more a fan 
 of written documentation then I am of podcasts. So, does anybody know of 
 anything?
 Mary
 
 
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RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

[Cris Ali]

Thanks Sieghard,
Yes, It makes sense to build in wireless chargers to the tables in restaurants 
and cafes.  And as you said, wireless charging will become a huge leap forward 
in technology once remote charging becomes a reality. Can’t wait for that day.
Cheers,
Cris

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

Hi Chris,

I don’t claim to understand this fully, but yes, currently the technology which 
charges devices wirelessly from a distance does not exist. Maybe it exists in 
labs and I can almost guaranty that Apple is probably working very hard on 
getting this to work, but for now wireless just means that you don’t have to 
plug in a wire.
As for public spaces, I believe companies like Starbucks and so on have 
wireless charging pads built into tables so you could have your phone charging 
right next to you, obviously nobody would put their phone down on a charging 
pad and then go away and sit down 10 or 20 feet away.
As for charging when you travel there is nothing which prevents you to do this 
just as you have always done it which means bring your Lightning cable and plug 
it in. However, when Apple releases their “Airpower” charger as they call it 
then for people who have an iPhone, an Apple Watch and maybe Airpods bringing 
this instead makes a lot of sense since it can charge all three devices by 
themselves or all three at once and of course as time goes by this may even 
include other devices which adopt the standard.
As with everything once Apple adopts something, in this case the Chi wireless 
charging standard, they not only can pour a ton of money into it to make it 
better but accessory makers will also scramble to bring out a wide variety of 
devices to compliment it.


Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

Hello folks,
When I listened to the apple keynote, I did not quite understand the advantages 
of wireless charging.  My understanding is that one needs to place the phone on 
a wireless charging pad or stand for it to charge. This is not remotely 
wireless charging.  That means that we have to worry about more gadgets to 
carry when we travel.  In addition to the adapter and the wire, we will need to 
also carry a pad or a stand for the wireless charging to work.
I understood that if many public places provide wireless charging we would not 
have to worry about carrying our charging accessories.  However, I am not sure 
I would like to place my phone on a charging pad in a restaurant or café, or in 
an airport terminal.  Unless the wireless charging pad is on my table or on the 
arm of my chair, I would not use it.
Can someone who is more familiar with this idea and process explain it better 
to me?
Cheers,
Cris

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RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I think even the fact I could get 3 or 4 of these chargers for my office and at 
home to have in the kitchen, bedroom and living room would make a big 
difference. Yes, you could have cables in all these locations, but who wants to 
go to the kitchen, plug in the phone, then unplug it when you maybe go to the 
living room, plug it in again and so on and so forth. If all you have to do is 
put it down on a charging pad this is a totally different story. I for one have 
preferred places where I put down my phone in these places so if I had a 
charging pad there my phone would always be charged and I rarely would have to 
worry about running out.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
lenron brown
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

When I can charge wirelessly from a distance that's when it will really matter 
to me, still a cool thing to have though so I am not knocking it.

On 9/14/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> I don’t claim to understand this fully, but yes, currently the 
> technology which charges devices wirelessly from a distance does not 
> exist. Maybe it exists in labs and I can almost guaranty that Apple is 
> probably working very hard on getting this to work, but for now 
> wireless just means that you don’t have to plug in a wire.
> As for public spaces, I believe companies like Starbucks and so on 
> have wireless charging pads built into tables so you could have your 
> phone charging right next to you, obviously nobody would put their 
> phone down on a charging pad and then go away and sit down 10 or 20 feet away.
> As for charging when you travel there is nothing which prevents you to 
> do this just as you have always done it which means bring your 
> Lightning cable and plug it in. However, when Apple releases their 
> “Airpower” charger as they call it then for people who have an iPhone, 
> an Apple Watch and maybe Airpods bringing this instead makes a lot of 
> sense since it can charge all three devices by themselves or all three 
> at once and of course as time goes by this may even include other devices 
> which adopt the standard.
> As with everything once Apple adopts something, in this case the Chi 
> wireless charging standard, they not only can pour a ton of money into 
> it to make it better but accessory makers will also scramble to bring 
> out a wide variety of devices to compliment it.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Cris Ali
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?
>
> Hello folks,
> When I listened to the apple keynote, I did not quite understand the 
> advantages of wireless charging.  My understanding is that one needs 
> to place the phone on a wireless charging pad or stand for it to 
> charge. This is not remotely wireless charging.  That means that we 
> have to worry about more gadgets to carry when we travel.  In addition 
> to the adapter and the wire, we will need to also carry a pad or a 
> stand for the wireless charging to work.
> I understood that if many public places provide wireless charging we 
> would not have to worry about carrying our charging accessories.  
> However, I am not sure I would like to place my phone on a charging 
> pad in a restaurant or café, or in an airport terminal.  Unless the 
> wireless charging pad is on my table or on the arm of my chair, I would not 
> use it.
> Can someone who is more familiar with this idea and process explain it 
> better to me?
> Cheers,
> Cris
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Re: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

[Bill Gallik]

One more “collateral benefit” of remote charging - especially in public areas 
such as restaurants - is that, by the very nature of placing your device on a 
charging pad, you will know where your device is located.  I don’t know about 
the rest of you, but I tend to lose track of where I’ve placed my iPhone when I 
sit in a booth for breakfast.  Probably I’m still half asleep then!  ;-) 


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RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

[Cristóbal]

With Apple in the game now, furniture and other items such as this with built 
in wireless charging pads can't be far behind. Not to mention wide spread 
adoption in places like hotels, airports, restaurants (I think Starbucks 
already has this) and so on. 
Have enough around and maybe we can finally say goodbye to the dreaded low 
battery anxiety. 

-Original Message-
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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 12:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

I think even the fact I could get 3 or 4 of these chargers for my office and at 
home to have in the kitchen, bedroom and living room would make a big 
difference. Yes, you could have cables in all these locations, but who wants to 
go to the kitchen, plug in the phone, then unplug it when you maybe go to the 
living room, plug it in again and so on and so forth. If all you have to do is 
put it down on a charging pad this is a totally different story. I for one have 
preferred places where I put down my phone in these places so if I had a 
charging pad there my phone would always be charged and I rarely would have to 
worry about running out.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
lenron brown
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

When I can charge wirelessly from a distance that's when it will really matter 
to me, still a cool thing to have though so I am not knocking it.

On 9/14/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> I don’t claim to understand this fully, but yes, currently the 
> technology which charges devices wirelessly from a distance does not 
> exist. Maybe it exists in labs and I can almost guaranty that Apple is 
> probably working very hard on getting this to work, but for now 
> wireless just means that you don’t have to plug in a wire.
> As for public spaces, I believe companies like Starbucks and so on 
> have wireless charging pads built into tables so you could have your 
> phone charging right next to you, obviously nobody would put their 
> phone down on a charging pad and then go away and sit down 10 or 20 feet away.
> As for charging when you travel there is nothing which prevents you to 
> do this just as you have always done it which means bring your 
> Lightning cable and plug it in. However, when Apple releases their 
> “Airpower” charger as they call it then for people who have an iPhone, 
> an Apple Watch and maybe Airpods bringing this instead makes a lot of 
> sense since it can charge all three devices by themselves or all three 
> at once and of course as time goes by this may even include other devices 
> which adopt the standard.
> As with everything once Apple adopts something, in this case the Chi 
> wireless charging standard, they not only can pour a ton of money into 
> it to make it better but accessory makers will also scramble to bring 
> out a wide variety of devices to compliment it.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Cris Ali
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?
>
> Hello folks,
> When I listened to the apple keynote, I did not quite understand the 
> advantages of wireless charging.  My understanding is that one needs 
> to place the phone on a wireless charging pad or stand for it to 
> charge. This is not remotely wireless charging.  That means that we 
> have to worry about more gadgets to carry when we travel.  In addition 
> to the adapter and the wire, we will need to also carry a pad or a 
> stand for the wireless charging to work.
> I understood that if many public places provide wireless charging we 
> would not have to worry about carrying our charging accessories.
> However, I am not sure I would like to place my phone on a charging 
> pad in a restaurant or café, or in an airport terminal.  Unless the 
> wireless charging pad is on my table or on the arm of my chair, I would not 
> use it.
> Can someone who is more familiar with this idea and process explain it 
> better to me?
> Cheers,
> Cris
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Re: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

[Denny Schwab]

Plus, since you can now have it charging on the pad, you have your
lightning connection open to plug in your headphones.  So that helps
the pesky problem of not being able to listen to your phone whenever
you are charging it.

On 9/14/17, Bill Gallik  wrote:
> One more “collateral benefit” of remote charging - especially in public
> areas such as restaurants - is that, by the very nature of placing your
> device on a charging pad, you will know where your device is located.  I
> don’t know about the rest of you, but I tend to lose track of where I’ve
> placed my iPhone when I sit in a booth for breakfast.  Probably I’m still
> half asleep then!  ;-)
>
> 
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Re: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why

[the . big . apple . nerd]

For those who were wondering if Face ID would work with 
sunglasses there is an article from MacDaily news out saying Face ID works with 
most sunglasses. 



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On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:45 AM -0400, "Alan Paganelli" 
 wrote:










 I have the iPhone seven with the largest capacity available. I think I'll wait 
for several years before I go for a new phone.   



Alan
Sent from my iPhone 5s
On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:











Sounds like somebody who wants to be heard, from all I have seen so far Apple 
has really nailed this and I assume it will be much more intuitive and easy to 
use as this person makes it out to be. As he said, he hasn’t
 tried it yet and therefore it’s all just speculation. Apparently what Samsung 
has done so far is a bit of a joke since it’s possible to fool their phones to 
unlock when you show them a picture of a person.


Apple said during their keynote that with Touch Id there was a 1 in 50,000 
chance somebody else could  unlock yourphone with their finger print, with Face 
Id they say the chance somebody elses face will unlock your phone
 is 1 in a Million unless it’s an identical twin.


Where I do see it as more cumbersome is for blind people, I have a Roots 
leather belt holster which when the phone is in it upside down as it has to be 
because the headphone jack is on the bottom there is just a 1 inch
 wide strap with magnetic closure over the phone and if you lift this up about 
the third bottom part of the screen is exposed. This means I can unlock my 6S 
Plus with Touch Id while I have it in my belt holster and I can open an app in 
the dock or on the bottom
 two rows of the home screen and so on. Also, sometimes in the winter I might 
unlock my phone in the pocket of my coat for some easy operations and this of 
course won’t be possible any more unless I enter my passcode which is a lot 
more difficult to do with
 one hand when I am walking and have the phone in my pocket. 


OK so I guess it’s all a mute point for me personally since I am not planning 
to buy an iPhone X nor for that matter an iPhone 8 or 8 Plus, just had too many 
other large expenses this year like getting the roof on my
 house done, we bought a new sofa/love seat/recliner chair set for our living 
room and a few new expensive woodworking tools somehow ended up in my shop, 
too. If I were still on an iPhone 6 or even a 5S it would be different, but my 
wife has a 6S and I have
 the 6S Plus, both phones are in great shape and work flawlessly, battery is 
still good and so we’ll wait until next fall to upgrade. I would be surprised 
if Apple wouldn’t push Face Id and make it a feature on all of their phones and 
maybe even iPads next
 year although now that they have the “normal” 8 and 8 Plus and the iPhone X I 
would also be surprised if they don’t continue with this trend and make a 
premium phone in addition to 2 or 3 regular ones similar to how they have the 
iPad Pro. OLED screens of
 course probably also become standard so it will be interesting to see what 
they come up with to set a high-end phone apart from the rest so that people 
are willing to spend an extra couple of hundred Dollars on it, maybe I’m wrong 
and next year all phnes will
 get Face Id, OLED screen and everything else which sets the iPhone X apart 
this year.


 


Regards,


Sieghard


 





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On Behalf Of Mary Otten

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 8:40 PM

To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; 
viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why




 



 



I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why



Ars Technica  /  Ron Amadeo










Enlarge
/ This right here. This gesture. Doing this 80 times a day sucks.



The all-new 
iPhone X is out, and it's packed with technology. But one thing it's not packed 
with is a fingerprint sensor. Like many phones in 2017, the iPhone X goes for a 
nearly all-screen design, which means there's no more room for a front Touch ID 
sensor. Rather
 than locate a fingerprint sensor on the back, like many phones have done, 
Apple chose to do away with Touch ID entirely. Instead, the X is relying only 
on the new "Face ID" facial recognition feature for biometric security.


Face ID on the iPhone X uses a "TrueDepth" camera setup, which blasts your face 
with more than 30,000 infrared dots and scans your face in 3D. Apple says this 
can "recognize you in an instant" and log you into your phone.



None of that matters. Face ID is still going to suck.


This is not the first phone we've tried with a facial recognition feature, and 
they all have the same proble

wireless charging

[Lois Butterfield]

Hi,

Because our new car has a charging pad, I started to research charging the 
IPhone wirelessly.  I found that you can buy an adapter that plugs into the 
lightning port and sticks to the back of the phone to make your IPhone charge 
wirelessly.

I use a Lifeproof Free case, and I can fit the phone along with the adapter 
into the case.  I now have an IPhone that charges wirelessly.  I love it.

By the way, the wireless adapter costs way under $20, and you can get charging 
pads for just over $10.

Take care,
Lois

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

Hi Chris,



I don’t claim to understand this fully, but yes, currently the technology which 
charges devices wirelessly from a distance does not exist. Maybe it exists in 
labs and I can almost guaranty that Apple is probably working very hard on 
getting this to work, but for now wireless just means that you don’t have to 
plug in a wire.

As for public spaces, I believe companies like Starbucks and so on have 
wireless charging pads built into tables so you could have your phone charging 
right next to you, obviously nobody would put their phone down on a charging 
pad and then go away and sit down 10 or 20 feet away.

As for charging when you travel there is nothing which prevents you to do this 
just as you have always done it which means bring your Lightning cable and plug 
it in. However, when Apple releases their “Airpower” charger as they call it 
then for people who have an iPhone, an Apple Watch and maybe Airpods bringing 
this instead makes a lot of sense since it can charge all three devices by 
themselves or all three at once and of course as time goes by this may even 
include other devices which adopt the standard.

As with everything once Apple adopts something, in this case the Chi wireless 
charging standard, they not only can pour a ton of money into it to make it 
better but accessory makers will also scramble to bring out a wide variety of 
devices to compliment it.





Best regards,

Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?



Hello folks,

When I listened to the apple keynote, I did not quite understand the advantages 
of wireless charging.  My understanding is that one needs to place the phone on 
a wireless charging pad or stand for it to charge. This is not remotely 
wireless charging.  That means that we have to worry about more gadgets to 
carry when we travel.  In addition to the adapter and the wire, we will need to 
also carry a pad or a stand for the wireless charging to work.  

I understood that if many public places provide wireless charging we would not 
have to worry about carrying our charging accessories.  However, I am not sure 
I would like to place my phone on a charging pad in a restaurant or café, or in 
an airport terminal.  Unless the wireless charging pad is on my table or on the 
arm of my chair, I would not use it.

Can someone who is more familiar with this idea and process explain it better 
to me?

Cheers,

Cris



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RE: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why

[Lelia]

Just wondering if face ID would work for people with fake eyes hahaa.  Not that 
I’m intending to get that iPhone.  

 

Lelia

 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why

 

For those who were wondering if Face ID would work with sunglasses there is an 
article from MacDaily news out saying Face ID works with most sunglasses. 

 

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On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:45 AM -0400, "Alan Paganelli" 
mailto:alanandsuza...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

 I have the iPhone seven with the largest capacity available. I think I'll wait 
for several years before I go for a new phone.   

 

 

Alan

 

Sent from my iPhone 5s


On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

Sounds like somebody who wants to be heard, from all I have seen so far Apple 
has really nailed this and I assume it will be much more intuitive and easy to 
use as this person makes it out to be. As he said, he hasn’t tried it yet and 
therefore it’s all just speculation. Apparently what Samsung has done so far is 
a bit of a joke since it’s possible to fool their phones to unlock when you 
show them a picture of a person.

Apple said during their keynote that with Touch Id there was a 1 in 50,000 
chance somebody else could  unlock yourphone with their finger print, with Face 
Id they say the chance somebody elses face will unlock your phone is 1 in a 
Million unless it’s an identical twin.

Where I do see it as more cumbersome is for blind people, I have a Roots 
leather belt holster which when the phone is in it upside down as it has to be 
because the headphone jack is on the bottom there is just a 1 inch wide strap 
with magnetic closure over the phone and if you lift this up about the third 
bottom part of the screen is exposed. This means I can unlock my 6S Plus with 
Touch Id while I have it in my belt holster and I can open an app in the dock 
or on the bottom two rows of the home screen and so on. Also, sometimes in the 
winter I might unlock my phone in the pocket of my coat for some easy 
operations and this of course won’t be possible any more unless I enter my 
passcode which is a lot more difficult to do with one hand when I am walking 
and have the phone in my pocket. 

OK so I guess it’s all a mute point for me personally since I am not planning 
to buy an iPhone X nor for that matter an iPhone 8 or 8 Plus, just had too many 
other large expenses this year like getting the roof on my house done, we 
bought a new sofa/love seat/recliner chair set for our living room and a few 
new expensive woodworking tools somehow ended up in my shop, too. If I were 
still on an iPhone 6 or even a 5S it would be different, but my wife has a 6S 
and I have the 6S Plus, both phones are in great shape and work flawlessly, 
battery is still good and so we’ll wait until next fall to upgrade. I would be 
surprised if Apple wouldn’t push Face Id and make it a feature on all of their 
phones and maybe even iPads next year although now that they have the “normal” 
8 and 8 Plus and the iPhone X I would also be surprised if they don’t continue 
with this trend and make a premium phone in addition to 2 or 3 regular ones 
similar to how they have the iPad Pro. OLED screens of course probably also 
become standard so it will be interesting to see what they come up with to set 
a high-end phone apart from the rest so that people are willing to spend an 
extra couple of hundred Dollars on it, maybe I’m wrong and next year all phnes 
will get Face Id, OLED screen and everything else which sets the iPhone X apart 
this year.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 



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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 8:40 PM
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macvisionar...@googlegroups.com  ; 
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Subject: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why

 

 

I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why

Ars Technica  /  Ron Amadeo




Enlarge   / 
This right here. This gesture. Doing this 80 times a day sucks.

The all-new iPhone X 

  is out, and it's packed with technology. But one thing it's not packed with 
is a fingerprint sensor. Like many phones in 2017, the iPhone X goes for a 
nearly all-screen design, which means there's no more room for a front Touch ID 
s

Re: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why

[the . big . apple . nerd]

I’m pretty sure. If it doesn’t work you could disable the 
attention aware feature and it should just recognize your face



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On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 4:28 PM -0400, "Lelia"  wrote:












Just wondering if face ID would work for people with fake eyes hahaa.  Not that 
I’m intending to get that iPhone.  

 

Lelia

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why

 

For those who were wondering if Face ID would work with sunglasses there is an 
article from MacDaily news out saying Face ID works with most sunglasses. 

 

Maria Reyes 

Owner of the following groups- 

Apple 411: apple411+subscr...@groups.io

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On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:45 AM -0400, "Alan Paganelli" 
 wrote:

 I have the iPhone seven with the largest capacity available. I think I'll wait 
for several years before I go for a new phone.   

 

 

Alan

 

Sent from my iPhone 5s


On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Sounds like somebody who wants to be heard, from all I have seen so far Apple 
has really nailed this and I assume it will be much more intuitive and easy to 
use as this person makes it out to be. As he said, he hasn’t tried it yet and 
therefore it’s all just speculation. Apparently what Samsung has done so far is 
a bit of a joke since it’s possible to fool their phones to unlock when you 
show them a picture of a person.

Apple said during their keynote that with Touch Id there was a 1 in 50,000 
chance somebody else could  unlock yourphone with their finger print, with Face 
Id they say the chance somebody elses face will unlock your phone is 1 in a 
Million unless it’s an identical twin.

Where I do see it as more cumbersome is for blind people, I have a Roots 
leather belt holster which when the phone is in it upside down as it has to be 
because the headphone jack is on the bottom there is just a 1 inch wide strap 
with magnetic closure over the phone and if you lift this up about the third 
bottom part of the screen is exposed. This means I can unlock my 6S Plus with 
Touch Id while I have it in my belt holster and I can open an app in the dock 
or on the bottom two rows of the home screen and so on. Also, sometimes in the 
winter I might unlock my phone in the pocket of my coat for some easy 
operations and this of course won’t be possible any more unless I enter my 
passcode which is a lot more difficult to do with one hand when I am walking 
and have the phone in my pocket. 

OK so I guess it’s all a mute point for me personally since I am not planning 
to buy an iPhone X nor for that matter an iPhone 8 or 8 Plus, just had too many 
other large expenses this year like getting the roof on my house done, we 
bought a new sofa/love seat/recliner chair set for our living room and a few 
new expensive woodworking tools somehow ended up in my shop, too. If I were 
still on an iPhone 6 or even a 5S it would be different, but my wife has a 6S 
and I have the 6S Plus, both phones are in great shape and work flawlessly, 
battery is still good and so we’ll wait until next fall to upgrade. I would be 
surprised if Apple wouldn’t push Face Id and make it a feature on all of their 
phones and maybe even iPads next year although now that they have the “normal” 
8 and 8 Plus and the iPhone X I would also be surprised if they don’t continue 
with this trend and make a premium phone in addition to 2 or 3 regular ones 
similar to how they have the iPad Pro. OLED screens of course probably also 
become standard so it will be interesting to see what they come up with to set 
a high-end phone apart from the rest so that people are willing to spend an 
extra couple of hundred Dollars on it, maybe I’m wrong and next year all phnes 
will get Face Id, OLED screen and everything else which sets the iPhone X apart 
this year.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 8:40 PM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; 
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why

 

 

I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why

Ars Technica  /  Ron Amadeo




Enlarge / This right here. This gesture. Doing this 80 times a day sucks.

The all-new iPhone X is out, and it's packed with technology. But one thing 
it's not packed with is a fingerprint sensor. Like many phones in 2017, the 
iPhone X goes for a nearly all-screen 

Re: Apple iPhone 8 Plus vs. iPhone X vs Samsung Note 8: Phablet spec showdown

[Anthony Vece]

It's like anything else.
You'll get used to it.

Sent from my Verizon iPhone 7!!!

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Apart from all of these things I still think retina scanning just sounds too 
> complicated and it sounds to me like it requires great care when it comes to 
> looking into the phone’s scanner.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:48 AM
> To: viPhone E-Mail List 
> Subject: Re: Apple iPhone 8 Plus vs. iPhone X vs Samsung Note 8: Phablet spec 
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>  
> Darn it all anyhow Sieghard, you stole my thunder when you brought up the 
> obvious issue for retinal scanning for folks with prosthetic eyes! ;-)
>  
> I was going to post something to that effect.  But then, I can always include 
> the issue where folks may have (as I do) very clouded and scarred corneas or 
> highly advanced cataracts!
> 
> - Bill from Wisconsin
> - "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society."
> - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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RE: wireless charging

[Cris Ali]

Thanks Louis,
Since you are already using a wireless charger, do you know if using a cover 
case for the phone would slow down or even be an obstacle for wireless charging?
Regards,
Cris

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lois Butterfield
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 4:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: wireless charging

Hi,

Because our new car has a charging pad, I started to research charging the 
IPhone wirelessly.  I found that you can buy an adapter that plugs into the 
lightning port and sticks to the back of the phone to make your IPhone charge 
wirelessly.

I use a Lifeproof Free case, and I can fit the phone along with the adapter 
into the case.  I now have an IPhone that charges wirelessly.  I love it.

By the way, the wireless adapter costs way under $20, and you can get charging 
pads for just over $10.

Take care,
Lois

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

Hi Chris,

I don’t claim to understand this fully, but yes, currently the technology which 
charges devices wirelessly from a distance does not exist. Maybe it exists in 
labs and I can almost guaranty that Apple is probably working very hard on 
getting this to work, but for now wireless just means that you don’t have to 
plug in a wire.
As for public spaces, I believe companies like Starbucks and so on have 
wireless charging pads built into tables so you could have your phone charging 
right next to you, obviously nobody would put their phone down on a charging 
pad and then go away and sit down 10 or 20 feet away.
As for charging when you travel there is nothing which prevents you to do this 
just as you have always done it which means bring your Lightning cable and plug 
it in. However, when Apple releases their “Airpower” charger as they call it 
then for people who have an iPhone, an Apple Watch and maybe Airpods bringing 
this instead makes a lot of sense since it can charge all three devices by 
themselves or all three at once and of course as time goes by this may even 
include other devices which adopt the standard.
As with everything once Apple adopts something, in this case the Chi wireless 
charging standard, they not only can pour a ton of money into it to make it 
better but accessory makers will also scramble to bring out a wide variety of 
devices to compliment it.


Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

Hello folks,
When I listened to the apple keynote, I did not quite understand the advantages 
of wireless charging.  My understanding is that one needs to place the phone on 
a wireless charging pad or stand for it to charge. This is not remotely 
wireless charging.  That means that we have to worry about more gadgets to 
carry when we travel.  In addition to the adapter and the wire, we will need to 
also carry a pad or a stand for the wireless charging to work.
I understood that if many public places provide wireless charging we would not 
have to worry about carrying our charging accessories.  However, I am not sure 
I would like to place my phone on a charging pad in a restaurant or café, or in 
an airport terminal.  Unless the wireless charging pad is on my table or on the 
arm of my chair, I would not use it.
Can someone who is more familiar with this idea and process explain it better 
to me?
Cheers,
Cris

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Question about controlling your Mac computer with voice

[TaraPrakash]

Hi all

Is there  a Siri kind of option for a Mac computer. 

And if you cannot control the computer,  is it possible to give dictation  on a 
word  editor?   I'm sure dragon would have  an application for  Mac   But   Is 
there a built in utility on Mac computer for dictation?
I would appreciate your suggestion. I know somebody who recently met with a 
serious  accident and would be able to   Use his computer if there  was such a 
utility 

 
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wireless charging

[Lois Butterfield]

I have my phone in a LifeProof case.  I am thinking that it would depend on the 
case, the thickness and the matterial it’s made from.  The LifeProof is pretty 
thin, and it works great.

I’m surprised the subject hasn’t come up about whether or not you can use a 
case and get a good charge.

Take care,
Lois

From: Cris Ali 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 5:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: wireless charging

Thanks Louis,

Since you are already using a wireless charger, do you know if using a cover 
case for the phone would slow down or even be an obstacle for wireless charging?

Regards,

Cris



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lois Butterfield
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 4:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: wireless charging



Hi,



Because our new car has a charging pad, I started to research charging the 
IPhone wirelessly.  I found that you can buy an adapter that plugs into the 
lightning port and sticks to the back of the phone to make your IPhone charge 
wirelessly.



I use a Lifeproof Free case, and I can fit the phone along with the adapter 
into the case.  I now have an IPhone that charges wirelessly.  I love it.



By the way, the wireless adapter costs way under $20, and you can get charging 
pads for just over $10.



Take care,

Lois



From: Sieghard Weitzel 

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:05 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?



Hi Chris,



I don’t claim to understand this fully, but yes, currently the technology which 
charges devices wirelessly from a distance does not exist. Maybe it exists in 
labs and I can almost guaranty that Apple is probably working very hard on 
getting this to work, but for now wireless just means that you don’t have to 
plug in a wire.

As for public spaces, I believe companies like Starbucks and so on have 
wireless charging pads built into tables so you could have your phone charging 
right next to you, obviously nobody would put their phone down on a charging 
pad and then go away and sit down 10 or 20 feet away.

As for charging when you travel there is nothing which prevents you to do this 
just as you have always done it which means bring your Lightning cable and plug 
it in. However, when Apple releases their “Airpower” charger as they call it 
then for people who have an iPhone, an Apple Watch and maybe Airpods bringing 
this instead makes a lot of sense since it can charge all three devices by 
themselves or all three at once and of course as time goes by this may even 
include other devices which adopt the standard.

As with everything once Apple adopts something, in this case the Chi wireless 
charging standard, they not only can pour a ton of money into it to make it 
better but accessory makers will also scramble to bring out a wide variety of 
devices to compliment it.





Best regards,

Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?



Hello folks,

When I listened to the apple keynote, I did not quite understand the advantages 
of wireless charging.  My understanding is that one needs to place the phone on 
a wireless charging pad or stand for it to charge. This is not remotely 
wireless charging.  That means that we have to worry about more gadgets to 
carry when we travel.  In addition to the adapter and the wire, we will need to 
also carry a pad or a stand for the wireless charging to work.  

I understood that if many public places provide wireless charging we would not 
have to worry about carrying our charging accessories.  However, I am not sure 
I would like to place my phone on a charging pad in a restaurant or café, or in 
an airport terminal.  Unless the wireless charging pad is on my table or on the 
arm of my chair, I would not use it.

Can someone who is more familiar with this idea and process explain it better 
to me?

Cheers,

Cris



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Re: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why

[TaraPrakash]

Hi Maria.  Is it possible that my phone announces your name and not  
the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com  which is your email ID. 
  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 4:31 PM, the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I’m pretty sure. If it doesn’t work you could disable the attention aware 
> feature and it should just recognize your face
> 
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> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 4:28 PM -0400, "Lelia"  wrote:
> 
>> Just wondering if face ID would work for people with fake eyes hahaa.  Not 
>> that I’m intending to get that iPhone. 
>>  
>> Lelia
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:04 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why
>>  
>> For those who were wondering if Face ID would work with sunglasses there is 
>> an article from MacDaily news out saying Face ID works with most sunglasses.
>>  
>> Maria Reyes
>> Owner of the following groups-
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>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:45 AM -0400, "Alan Paganelli" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  I have the iPhone seven with the largest capacity available. I think I'll 
>> wait for several years before I go for a new phone.   
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> Alan
>>  
>> Sent from my iPhone 5s
>> 
>> On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Sounds like somebody who wants to be heard, from all I have seen so far 
>> Apple has really nailed this and I assume it will be much more intuitive and 
>> easy to use as this person makes it out to be. As he said, he hasn’t tried 
>> it yet and therefore it’s all just speculation. Apparently what Samsung has 
>> done so far is a bit of a joke since it’s possible to fool their phones to 
>> unlock when you show them a picture of a person.
>> Apple said during their keynote that with Touch Id there was a 1 in 50,000 
>> chance somebody else could  unlock yourphone with their finger print, with 
>> Face Id they say the chance somebody elses face will unlock your phone is 1 
>> in a Million unless it’s an identical twin.
>> Where I do see it as more cumbersome is for blind people, I have a Roots 
>> leather belt holster which when the phone is in it upside down as it has to 
>> be because the headphone jack is on the bottom there is just a 1 inch wide 
>> strap with magnetic closure over the phone and if you lift this up about the 
>> third bottom part of the screen is exposed. This means I can unlock my 6S 
>> Plus with Touch Id while I have it in my belt holster and I can open an app 
>> in the dock or on the bottom two rows of the home screen and so on. Also, 
>> sometimes in the winter I might unlock my phone in the pocket of my coat for 
>> some easy operations and this of course won’t be possible any more unless I 
>> enter my passcode which is a lot more difficult to do with one hand when I 
>> am walking and have the phone in my pocket.
>> OK so I guess it’s all a mute point for me personally since I am not 
>> planning to buy an iPhone X nor for that matter an iPhone 8 or 8 Plus, just 
>> had too many other large expenses this year like getting the roof on my 
>> house done, we bought a new sofa/love seat/recliner chair set for our living 
>> room and a few new expensive woodworking tools somehow ended up in my shop, 
>> too. If I were still on an iPhone 6 or even a 5S it would be different, but 
>> my wife has a 6S and I have the 6S Plus, both phones are in great shape and 
>> work flawlessly, battery is still good and so we’ll wait until next fall to 
>> upgrade. I would be surprised if Apple wouldn’t push Face Id and make it a 
>> feature on all of their phones and maybe even iPads next year although now 
>> that they have the “normal” 8 and 8 Plus and the iPhone X I would also be 
>> surprised if they don’t continue with this trend and make a premium phone in 
>> addition to 2 or 3 regular ones similar to how they have the iPad Pro. OLED 
>> screens of course probably also become standard so it will be interesting to 
>> see what they come up with to set a high-end phone apart from the rest so 
>> that people are willing to spend an extra couple of hundred Dollars on it, 
>> maybe I’m wrong and next year all phnes will get Face Id, OLED screen and 
>> everything else which sets the iPhone X apart this year.
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 8:40 PM
>> To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; 
>> viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why
>>  
>>  
>> I’m worried that FaceID is 

Re: Question about controlling your Mac computer with voice

[Nancy Badger]

Dictation has been an option for a long time. The latestg

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 5:54 PM, TaraPrakash  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Is there  a Siri kind of option for a Mac computer. 
> 
> And if you cannot control the computer,  is it possible to give dictation  on 
> a word  editor?   I'm sure dragon would have  an application for  Mac   But   
> Is there a built in utility on Mac computer for dictation?
> I would appreciate your suggestion. I know somebody who recently met with a 
> serious  accident and would be able to   Use his computer if there  was such 
> a utility 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I have an S7, and although I wouldn't consider wireless charging to be a 
must have, I do find it convenient. It's not that big a deal to leave a 
cable lying around in the same place, and just plug your phone in, 
that's what I do with my iPhone, but it is kind of nice to be able to 
just set the phone down in the right place and not have to fish around 
for a cable.



I'll like it when this feature becomes ubiquitous because now I have to 
carry around a USB micro cable for all of my non-iPhone devices and a 
Lightning cable for my iPhone and my wife's iPhone. Once this is 
ubiquitous, I can ditch the Lightning cable when I travel, and that'll 
be one less cable to make sure I pack.



On 09/14/2017 02:45 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I think even the fact I could get 3 or 4 of these chargers for my office and at 
home to have in the kitchen, bedroom and living room would make a big 
difference. Yes, you could have cables in all these locations, but who wants to 
go to the kitchen, plug in the phone, then unplug it when you maybe go to the 
living room, plug it in again and so on and so forth. If all you have to do is 
put it down on a charging pad this is a totally different story. I for one have 
preferred places where I put down my phone in these places so if I had a 
charging pad there my phone would always be charged and I rarely would have to 
worry about running out.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
lenron brown
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

When I can charge wirelessly from a distance that's when it will really matter 
to me, still a cool thing to have though so I am not knocking it.

On 9/14/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Hi Chris,

I don’t claim to understand this fully, but yes, currently the
technology which charges devices wirelessly from a distance does not
exist. Maybe it exists in labs and I can almost guaranty that Apple is
probably working very hard on getting this to work, but for now
wireless just means that you don’t have to plug in a wire.
As for public spaces, I believe companies like Starbucks and so on
have wireless charging pads built into tables so you could have your
phone charging right next to you, obviously nobody would put their
phone down on a charging pad and then go away and sit down 10 or 20 feet away.
As for charging when you travel there is nothing which prevents you to
do this just as you have always done it which means bring your
Lightning cable and plug it in. However, when Apple releases their
“Airpower” charger as they call it then for people who have an iPhone,
an Apple Watch and maybe Airpods bringing this instead makes a lot of
sense since it can charge all three devices by themselves or all three
at once and of course as time goes by this may even include other devices which 
adopt the standard.
As with everything once Apple adopts something, in this case the Chi
wireless charging standard, they not only can pour a ton of money into
it to make it better but accessory makers will also scramble to bring
out a wide variety of devices to compliment it.


Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

Hello folks,
When I listened to the apple keynote, I did not quite understand the
advantages of wireless charging.  My understanding is that one needs
to place the phone on a wireless charging pad or stand for it to
charge. This is not remotely wireless charging.  That means that we
have to worry about more gadgets to carry when we travel.  In addition
to the adapter and the wire, we will need to also carry a pad or a
stand for the wireless charging to work.
I understood that if many public places provide wireless charging we
would not have to worry about carrying our charging accessories.
However, I am not sure I would like to place my phone on a charging
pad in a restaurant or café, or in an airport terminal.  Unless the
wireless charging pad is on my table or on the arm of my chair, I would not use 
it.
Can someone who is more familiar with this idea and process explain it
better to me?
Cheers,
Cris

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Re: Apple iPhone 8 Plus vs. iPhone X vs Samsung Note 8: Phablet spec showdown

[Christopher Chaltain]

Apple's chips definitely shine with some benchmarks, but I've read the 
real world benchmarks are much closer, especially with the additional 
RAM you get on Samsung phones, and the article being referred to here 
does make this point.



I wouldn't have a problem with the touch ID sensor being placed on the 
back of the phone. I'm not a fan of where it's located on the S8, which 
is next to the camera lens, but I've heard that on other Android phones 
it's place below the camera lens, and I can see where this would be real 
convenient. I can imagine myself just swiping the sensor on the back of 
the phone while holding it without having to move my hands much at all.





On 09/14/2017 09:43 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

The iPhone has consistently beat Samsung's phones when it comes to real-world 
speed tests and camera performance and I have little doubt that the A11 chip 
will continue to whip Samsung's butt in this respect and that people who care 
about truly good photos will prefer the iPhone 8/8 Plus and X over Samsung.
Of course the Note 8 beats the iPhone 8 Plus screen in terms of screen size 
relative to phone size and in terms of pixels/quality since the 8 Plus does not 
have an OLED screen so here comparing the two is like comparing Apples and 
Oranges (pun intended).
I was wondering when Apple said the iPhone X had two hours more battery life if 
they were comparing this to the 7 or 7 Plus. According to this article they are 
comparing it to the Plus models so if the X truly has 2 extra hours of battery 
life compared to a 7 Plus or 8 Plus then then that is quite remarkable.
Everybody who is interested in biometrics knows that Samsung's Face Id is a 
joke since you can unlock your phone with a photo so if I assume this can be 
turned on or off I wonder who would even turn it on considering this is the 
case.
I am surprised that considering how long fingerprint technology has been around the 
author said they had a lot of trouble with the fingerprint sensor on the Samsung. Of 
course putting it on the back of the phone in my opinion is stupid, they should have at 
least incorporated it somewhere on the side. For a while the rumours were Apple would put 
Touch Id on the back of the phone and the reactions I heard were consistently 
"Please, Apple, don't do this".
As for retina scanning that sounds like a big pain in the butt. I mean here 
people are already worried how easy and fast it is to unlock with Face Id where 
all you have to do is glance at the phone from a couple of feet away. I am 
quite sure with retina scanning you have to really line up the phone with your 
eye to do it and as one article points out, something you do 80 times a day 
needs to work quickly and more or less flawlessly. Of course this does not even 
consider the fact that retina scanning is probably a no-go for many blind 
people, certainly those with prosthetic eyes.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple iPhone 8 Plus vs. iPhone X vs Samsung Note 8: Phablet spec 
showdown

Macworld - Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 3:30 AM Apple iPhone 8 Plus vs. 
iPhone X vs Samsung Note 8: Phablet spec showdown Samsung's Galaxy Note 8 was 
the best phone you could buy for about a week.
Now Apple has come along and spoiled Samsung's party with not one but two new 
phablet-sized phones: the iPhone 8 Plus and the iPhone X. While the new iPhones 
still don't come with a stylus, Apple did upgrade them in just about every 
other way. So how does Samsung's flagship stack up to Apple's latest handsets? 
Let's take a look.
iPhone 8 Plus vs. iPhone X vs. Note 8: Size  Apple The iPhone X is 
significantly smaller than the Note 8.
If you're looking for the absolute biggest phone you can buy, Samsung wins 
here. It's Note 8 has a whopping 6.3-inch display, a good deal larger than the 
iPhone X's 5.8-inch one. But screen size doesn't tell the whole story.
With nearly an inch more screen than the iPhone 8 Plus and way more pixels than 
the X, you'd expect the Note 8 to be a significantly bigger package, but the 
dimensions are remarkably similar to the Plus:
Note 8: 162.5 x 74.8 x 8.6 mm
iPhone 8 Plus: 158.4 x 78.1 x 7.5 mm
iPhone X: 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm
iPhone 8 Plus vs. iPhone X vs. Note 8: Display  Jason Snell The iPhone X's Supe 
Retina display is simply gorgeous, but the Note 8's is no slouch.
Both the Note 8 and the iPhone X feature remarkable displays, with the iPhone X 
representing Apple's first foray into OLED screens. Samsung edges the iPhone X 
when it comes to resolution, but we'll need to compare the two in person to see 
which comes out on top when it comes to color and brightness. In pure numbers, 
however, Samsung takes the crown, both in size and resolution:
Note 8: 6.3-inch, 2960 x 1440 Super AMOLED, HDR, 532ppi iPhone 8 Plus: 
5.5-inch, 1920 x

Re: Question about controlling your Mac computer with voice

[Melissa Tucker]

Siri is built in the macbooks.  Also has it’s dictation built in.

On Sep 14, 2017, at 5:54 PM, TaraPrakash  wrote:

Hi all

Is there  a Siri kind of option for a Mac computer. 

And if you cannot control the computer,  is it possible to give dictation  on a 
word  editor?   I'm sure dragon would have  an application for  Mac   But   Is 
there a built in utility on Mac computer for dictation?
I would appreciate your suggestion. I know somebody who recently met with a 
serious  accident and would be able to   Use his computer if there  was such a 
utility 


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Re: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

[the . big . apple . nerd]

The nice thing about the AirPower charger is it can charge up 
to three things. 



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On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 7:42 PM -0400, "Christopher Chaltain" 
 wrote:










I have an S7, and although I wouldn't consider wireless charging to be a 
must have, I do find it convenient. It's not that big a deal to leave a 
cable lying around in the same place, and just plug your phone in, 
that's what I do with my iPhone, but it is kind of nice to be able to 
just set the phone down in the right place and not have to fish around 
for a cable.


I'll like it when this feature becomes ubiquitous because now I have to 
carry around a USB micro cable for all of my non-iPhone devices and a 
Lightning cable for my iPhone and my wife's iPhone. Once this is 
ubiquitous, I can ditch the Lightning cable when I travel, and that'll 
be one less cable to make sure I pack.


On 09/14/2017 02:45 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> I think even the fact I could get 3 or 4 of these chargers for my office and 
> at home to have in the kitchen, bedroom and living room would make a big 
> difference. Yes, you could have cables in all these locations, but who wants 
> to go to the kitchen, plug in the phone, then unplug it when you maybe go to 
> the living room, plug it in again and so on and so forth. If all you have to 
> do is put it down on a charging pad this is a totally different story. I for 
> one have preferred places where I put down my phone in these places so if I 
> had a charging pad there my phone would always be charged and I rarely would 
> have to worry about running out.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> lenron brown
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?
>
> When I can charge wirelessly from a distance that's when it will really 
> matter to me, still a cool thing to have though so I am not knocking it.
>
> On 9/14/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> I don’t claim to understand this fully, but yes, currently the
>> technology which charges devices wirelessly from a distance does not
>> exist. Maybe it exists in labs and I can almost guaranty that Apple is
>> probably working very hard on getting this to work, but for now
>> wireless just means that you don’t have to plug in a wire.
>> As for public spaces, I believe companies like Starbucks and so on
>> have wireless charging pads built into tables so you could have your
>> phone charging right next to you, obviously nobody would put their
>> phone down on a charging pad and then go away and sit down 10 or 20 feet 
>> away.
>> As for charging when you travel there is nothing which prevents you to
>> do this just as you have always done it which means bring your
>> Lightning cable and plug it in. However, when Apple releases their
>> “Airpower” charger as they call it then for people who have an iPhone,
>> an Apple Watch and maybe Airpods bringing this instead makes a lot of
>> sense since it can charge all three devices by themselves or all three
>> at once and of course as time goes by this may even include other devices 
>> which adopt the standard.
>> As with everything once Apple adopts something, in this case the Chi
>> wireless charging standard, they not only can pour a ton of money into
>> it to make it better but accessory makers will also scramble to bring
>> out a wide variety of devices to compliment it.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Sieghard
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Cris Ali
>> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:58 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?
>>
>> Hello folks,
>> When I listened to the apple keynote, I did not quite understand the
>> advantages of wireless charging.  My understanding is that one needs
>> to place the phone on a wireless charging pad or stand for it to
>> charge. This is not remotely wireless charging.  That means that we
>> have to worry about more gadgets to carry when we travel.  In addition
>> to the adapter and the wire, we will need to also carry a pad or a
>> stand for the wireless charging to work.
>> I understood that if many public places provide wireless charging we
>> would not have to worry about carrying our charging accessories.
>> However, I am not sure I would like to place my phone on a charging
>> pad in a restaurant or café, or in an airport terminal.  Unless the
>> wireless charging pad is on my table or on the arm of my chair, I would not 
>> use it.
>> Can someone who is more familiar with this idea and p

Re: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why

[the . big . apple . nerd]

Tara I think because the display name on the list is my name



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On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 6:11 PM -0400, "TaraPrakash"  
wrote:










Hi Maria.  Is it possible that my phone announces your name and not  
the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com  which is your email ID.   

Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 14, 2017, at 4:31 PM, the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com wrote:








I’m pretty sure. If it doesn’t work you could disable the 
attention aware feature and it should just recognize your face



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On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 4:28 PM -0400, "Lelia"  wrote:












Just wondering if face ID would work for people with fake eyes hahaa.  Not that 
I’m intending to get that iPhone.  

 

Lelia

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why

 

For those who were wondering if Face ID would work with sunglasses there is an 
article from MacDaily news out saying Face ID works with most sunglasses. 

 

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On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:45 AM -0400, "Alan Paganelli" 
 wrote:

 I have the iPhone seven with the largest capacity available. I think I'll wait 
for several years before I go for a new phone.   

 

 

Alan

 

Sent from my iPhone 5s


On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Sounds like somebody who wants to be heard, from all I have seen so far Apple 
has really nailed this and I assume it will be much more intuitive and easy to 
use as this person makes it out to be. As he said, he hasn’t tried it yet and 
therefore it’s all just speculation. Apparently what Samsung has done so far is 
a bit of a joke since it’s possible to fool their phones to unlock when you 
show them a picture of a person.

Apple said during their keynote that with Touch Id there was a 1 in 50,000 
chance somebody else could  unlock yourphone with their finger print, with Face 
Id they say the chance somebody elses face will unlock your phone is 1 in a 
Million unless it’s an identical twin.

Where I do see it as more cumbersome is for blind people, I have a Roots 
leather belt holster which when the phone is in it upside down as it has to be 
because the headphone jack is on the bottom there is just a 1 inch wide strap 
with magnetic closure over the phone and if you lift this up about the third 
bottom part of the screen is exposed. This means I can unlock my 6S Plus with 
Touch Id while I have it in my belt holster and I can open an app in the dock 
or on the bottom two rows of the home screen and so on. Also, sometimes in the 
winter I might unlock my phone in the pocket of my coat for some easy 
operations and this of course won’t be possible any more unless I enter my 
passcode which is a lot more difficult to do with one hand when I am walking 
and have the phone in my pocket. 

OK so I guess it’s all a mute point for me personally since I am not planning 
to buy an iPhone X nor for that matter an iPhone 8 or 8 Plus, just had too many 
other large expenses this year like getting the roof on my house done, we 
bought a new sofa/love seat/recliner chair set for our living room and a few 
new expensive woodworking tools somehow ended up in my shop, too. If I were 
still on an iPhone 6 or even a 5S it would be different, but my wife has a 6S 
and I have the 6S Plus, both phones are in great shape and work flawlessly, 
battery is still good and so we’ll wait until next fall to upgrade. I would be 
surprised if Apple wouldn’t push Face Id and make it a feature on all of their 
phones and maybe even iPads next year although now that they have the “normal” 
8 and 8 Plus and the iPhone X I would also be surprised if they don’t continue 
with this trend and make a premium phone in addition to 2 or 3 regular ones 
similar to how they have the iPad Pro. OLED screens of course probably also 
become standard so it will be interesting to see what they come up with to set 
a high-end phone apart from the rest so that people are willing to spend an 
extra couple of hundred Dollars on it, maybe I’m wrong and next year all phnes 
will get Face Id, OLED screen and everything else which sets the iPhone X apart 
this year.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto

RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

We just bought a new sofa, love seat and recliner chair. The love seat has a 
console in the middle with two cup holders (or you could of course fill them 
with peanuts or chips) and if you lift up the lid of a storage compartment you 
find inside a cable. Plug this in underneath the love seat and of course into a 
wall socket and you have two USB outlets inside the storage cabinets where you 
could have a spare Lightning cable or Micro USB cable plugged in for easy and 
instant access. Yes, I'm sure many a sofa arm rest, console such as what I 
described and so on will have integrated wireless charging pads in the future.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 1:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

With Apple in the game now, furniture and other items such as this with built 
in wireless charging pads can't be far behind. Not to mention wide spread 
adoption in places like hotels, airports, restaurants (I think Starbucks 
already has this) and so on. 
Have enough around and maybe we can finally say goodbye to the dreaded low 
battery anxiety. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 12:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

I think even the fact I could get 3 or 4 of these chargers for my office and at 
home to have in the kitchen, bedroom and living room would make a big 
difference. Yes, you could have cables in all these locations, but who wants to 
go to the kitchen, plug in the phone, then unplug it when you maybe go to the 
living room, plug it in again and so on and so forth. If all you have to do is 
put it down on a charging pad this is a totally different story. I for one have 
preferred places where I put down my phone in these places so if I had a 
charging pad there my phone would always be charged and I rarely would have to 
worry about running out.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
lenron brown
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

When I can charge wirelessly from a distance that's when it will really matter 
to me, still a cool thing to have though so I am not knocking it.

On 9/14/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> I don’t claim to understand this fully, but yes, currently the 
> technology which charges devices wirelessly from a distance does not 
> exist. Maybe it exists in labs and I can almost guaranty that Apple is 
> probably working very hard on getting this to work, but for now 
> wireless just means that you don’t have to plug in a wire.
> As for public spaces, I believe companies like Starbucks and so on 
> have wireless charging pads built into tables so you could have your 
> phone charging right next to you, obviously nobody would put their 
> phone down on a charging pad and then go away and sit down 10 or 20 feet away.
> As for charging when you travel there is nothing which prevents you to 
> do this just as you have always done it which means bring your 
> Lightning cable and plug it in. However, when Apple releases their 
> “Airpower” charger as they call it then for people who have an iPhone, 
> an Apple Watch and maybe Airpods bringing this instead makes a lot of 
> sense since it can charge all three devices by themselves or all three 
> at once and of course as time goes by this may even include other devices 
> which adopt the standard.
> As with everything once Apple adopts something, in this case the Chi 
> wireless charging standard, they not only can pour a ton of money into 
> it to make it better but accessory makers will also scramble to bring 
> out a wide variety of devices to compliment it.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Cris Ali
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?
>
> Hello folks,
> When I listened to the apple keynote, I did not quite understand the 
> advantages of wireless charging.  My understanding is that one needs 
> to place the phone on a wireless charging pad or stand for it to 
> charge. This is not remotely wireless charging.  That means that we 
> have to worry about more gadgets to carry when we travel.  In addition 
> to the adapter and the wire, we will need to also carry a pad or a 
> stand for the wireless charging to work.
> I understood that if many public places provide wireless charging we 
> would not have to worry about carrying our charging accessor

Re: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

[the . big . apple . nerd]

For me it would be nice because When I fall asleep and forget 
to plug in my devices at night I don’t have to phish around for a cable.



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On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:06 PM -0400, "Sieghard Weitzel"  
wrote:










We just bought a new sofa, love seat and recliner chair. The love seat has a 
console in the middle with two cup holders (or you could of course fill them 
with peanuts or chips) and if you lift up the lid of a storage compartment you 
find inside a cable. Plug this in underneath the love seat and of course into a 
wall socket and you have two USB outlets inside the storage cabinets where you 
could have a spare Lightning cable or Micro USB cable plugged in for easy and 
instant access. Yes, I'm sure many a sofa arm rest, console such as what I 
described and so on will have integrated wireless charging pads in the future.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 1:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

With Apple in the game now, furniture and other items such as this with built 
in wireless charging pads can't be far behind. Not to mention wide spread 
adoption in places like hotels, airports, restaurants (I think Starbucks 
already has this) and so on. 
Have enough around and maybe we can finally say goodbye to the dreaded low 
battery anxiety. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 12:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

I think even the fact I could get 3 or 4 of these chargers for my office and at 
home to have in the kitchen, bedroom and living room would make a big 
difference. Yes, you could have cables in all these locations, but who wants to 
go to the kitchen, plug in the phone, then unplug it when you maybe go to the 
living room, plug it in again and so on and so forth. If all you have to do is 
put it down on a charging pad this is a totally different story. I for one have 
preferred places where I put down my phone in these places so if I had a 
charging pad there my phone would always be charged and I rarely would have to 
worry about running out.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
lenron brown
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

When I can charge wirelessly from a distance that's when it will really matter 
to me, still a cool thing to have though so I am not knocking it.

On 9/14/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> I don’t claim to understand this fully, but yes, currently the 
> technology which charges devices wirelessly from a distance does not 
> exist. Maybe it exists in labs and I can almost guaranty that Apple is 
> probably working very hard on getting this to work, but for now 
> wireless just means that you don’t have to plug in a wire.
> As for public spaces, I believe companies like Starbucks and so on 
> have wireless charging pads built into tables so you could have your 
> phone charging right next to you, obviously nobody would put their 
> phone down on a charging pad and then go away and sit down 10 or 20 feet away.
> As for charging when you travel there is nothing which prevents you to 
> do this just as you have always done it which means bring your 
> Lightning cable and plug it in. However, when Apple releases their 
> “Airpower” charger as they call it then for people who have an iPhone, 
> an Apple Watch and maybe Airpods bringing this instead makes a lot of 
> sense since it can charge all three devices by themselves or all three 
> at once and of course as time goes by this may even include other devices 
> which adopt the standard.
> As with everything once Apple adopts something, in this case the Chi 
> wireless charging standard, they not only can pour a ton of money into 
> it to make it better but accessory makers will also scramble to bring 
> out a wide variety of devices to compliment it.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Cris Ali
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?
>
> Hello folks,
> When I listened to the apple keynote, I did not quite understand the 
> advantages of wireless charging.  My understanding

RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

[Alan Lemly]

Well, until wireless charging is more prevalent with more competition, I can't 
see much advantages from the one product I just read about. The Belkin Boost Up 
charging pad sells for $59.99 and unless I'm missing something has to be 
plugged into a wall outlet. I'm having a hard time understanding why this is 
really all that more convenient than just plugging a cable into your phone to 
charge it but I admit I've not fully researched the technology yet.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

I think even the fact I could get 3 or 4 of these chargers for my office and at 
home to have in the kitchen, bedroom and living room would make a big 
difference. Yes, you could have cables in all these locations, but who wants to 
go to the kitchen, plug in the phone, then unplug it when you maybe go to the 
living room, plug it in again and so on and so forth. If all you have to do is 
put it down on a charging pad this is a totally different story. I for one have 
preferred places where I put down my phone in these places so if I had a 
charging pad there my phone would always be charged and I rarely would have to 
worry about running out.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
lenron brown
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

When I can charge wirelessly from a distance that's when it will really matter 
to me, still a cool thing to have though so I am not knocking it.

On 9/14/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> I don t claim to understand this fully, but yes, currently the 
> technology which charges devices wirelessly from a distance does not 
> exist. Maybe it exists in labs and I can almost guaranty that Apple is 
> probably working very hard on getting this to work, but for now 
> wireless just means that you don t have to plug in a wire.
> As for public spaces, I believe companies like Starbucks and so on 
> have wireless charging pads built into tables so you could have your 
> phone charging right next to you, obviously nobody would put their 
> phone down on a charging pad and then go away and sit down 10 or 20 feet away.
> As for charging when you travel there is nothing which prevents you to 
> do this just as you have always done it which means bring your 
> Lightning cable and plug it in. However, when Apple releases their 
>  Airpower  charger as they call it then for people who have an iPhone, 
> an Apple Watch and maybe Airpods bringing this instead makes a lot of 
> sense since it can charge all three devices by themselves or all three 
> at once and of course as time goes by this may even include other devices 
> which adopt the standard.
> As with everything once Apple adopts something, in this case the Chi 
> wireless charging standard, they not only can pour a ton of money into 
> it to make it better but accessory makers will also scramble to bring 
> out a wide variety of devices to compliment it.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Cris Ali
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?
>
> Hello folks,
> When I listened to the apple keynote, I did not quite understand the 
> advantages of wireless charging.  My understanding is that one needs 
> to place the phone on a wireless charging pad or stand for it to 
> charge. This is not remotely wireless charging.  That means that we 
> have to worry about more gadgets to carry when we travel.  In addition 
> to the adapter and the wire, we will need to also carry a pad or a 
> stand for the wireless charging to work.
> I understood that if many public places provide wireless charging we 
> would not have to worry about carrying our charging accessories.
> However, I am not sure I would like to place my phone on a charging 
> pad in a restaurant or caf , or in an airport terminal.  Unless the 
> wireless charging pad is on my table or on the arm of my chair, I would not 
> use it.
> Can someone who is more familiar with this idea and process explain it 
> better to me?
> Cheers,
> Cris
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Re: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

[lenron brown]

Yeah still something that I have to pay an extra 60 bucks for, so for
now maybe just something that might be nice to have at some point but
not really needed. I don't mind plugging my phone in for now because I
can still hold it and do stuff with it, now when wireless charging
means I won't need to have the phone sitting on a pad I will be all
for it. I can remember having one of the power mat cases years ago and
getting rid of it because it wasn't really all that to me.

On 9/14/17, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> Well, until wireless charging is more prevalent with more competition, I
> can't see much advantages from the one product I just read about. The Belkin
> Boost Up charging pad sells for $59.99 and unless I'm missing something has
> to be plugged into a wall outlet. I'm having a hard time understanding why
> this is really all that more convenient than just plugging a cable into your
> phone to charge it but I admit I've not fully researched the technology
> yet.
>
> Alan Lemly
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?
>
> I think even the fact I could get 3 or 4 of these chargers for my office and
> at home to have in the kitchen, bedroom and living room would make a big
> difference. Yes, you could have cables in all these locations, but who wants
> to go to the kitchen, plug in the phone, then unplug it when you maybe go to
> the living room, plug it in again and so on and so forth. If all you have to
> do is put it down on a charging pad this is a totally different story. I for
> one have preferred places where I put down my phone in these places so if I
> had a charging pad there my phone would always be charged and I rarely would
> have to worry about running out.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of lenron brown
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?
>
> When I can charge wirelessly from a distance that's when it will really
> matter to me, still a cool thing to have though so I am not knocking it.
>
> On 9/14/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> I don t claim to understand this fully, but yes, currently the
>> technology which charges devices wirelessly from a distance does not
>> exist. Maybe it exists in labs and I can almost guaranty that Apple is
>> probably working very hard on getting this to work, but for now
>> wireless just means that you don t have to plug in a wire.
>> As for public spaces, I believe companies like Starbucks and so on
>> have wireless charging pads built into tables so you could have your
>> phone charging right next to you, obviously nobody would put their
>> phone down on a charging pad and then go away and sit down 10 or 20 feet
>> away.
>> As for charging when you travel there is nothing which prevents you to
>> do this just as you have always done it which means bring your
>> Lightning cable and plug it in. However, when Apple releases their
>>  Airpower  charger as they call it then for people who have an iPhone,
>> an Apple Watch and maybe Airpods bringing this instead makes a lot of
>> sense since it can charge all three devices by themselves or all three
>> at once and of course as time goes by this may even include other devices
>> which adopt the standard.
>> As with everything once Apple adopts something, in this case the Chi
>> wireless charging standard, they not only can pour a ton of money into
>> it to make it better but accessory makers will also scramble to bring
>> out a wide variety of devices to compliment it.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Sieghard
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Cris Ali
>> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:58 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?
>>
>> Hello folks,
>> When I listened to the apple keynote, I did not quite understand the
>> advantages of wireless charging.  My understanding is that one needs
>> to place the phone on a wireless charging pad or stand for it to
>> charge. This is not remotely wireless charging.  That means that we
>> have to worry about more gadgets to carry when we travel.  In addition
>> to the adapter and the wire, we will need to also carry a pad or a
>> stand for the wireless charging to work.
>> I understood that if many public places provide wireless charging we
>> would not have to worry about carrying our charging accessories.
>> However, I am not sure I would like to place my phone on a charging
>> pad in a restaurant or caf , or in an airport terminal.  Unless the
>> wireless charging pad is on my table or on the arm of 

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RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Alan,

I assume the wireless charging pads will always have to plugged into a wall 
outlet, but for me I see the advantage in how easy it is to simply put your 
phone down on the pad on your side table or in the living room and it's 
charging. You don't plug in your lightning cable each time you put your phone 
down and maybe 10 minutes later you want to get up and walk away, then you 
first have to unplug the cable and all in all it's just a nuisance. As I said 
before, I think the fact the phone would be charging a great deal of the time 
when it's lying on the table means you most of the time walk away with a full 
or almost full battery and of course most batteries nowadays don't care about 
getting charge just a bit all the time. Then of course there is the fact that 
as this technology gets to be purvasive in coffee shops, restaurants, airplanes 
and so on you have lots of opportunities to charge your phone. I believe the 
Belkin mat delivers 7.5 Watts and as the new iPhones all have fast charging 
technology (they charge from completely empty to 50% in half an hour) I really 
do see how this can be a very nice feature even if there is an initial 
investment.
Also, this is something Tom from Applevis brought up in their special Podcast 
about the Apple event, many of us go through Lightning cables on a fairly 
regular bases. I personally seem to get quite a long life out of them, but I 
have broken some and certainly have bought my share of cables. Wireless 
charging would mostly illiminate this issue and while the charging pad is more 
expensive to begin with, you would probably have this thing for years and years 
to come so vover time it may end up paying for itself.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Lemly
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

Well, until wireless charging is more prevalent with more competition, I can't 
see much advantages from the one product I just read about. The Belkin Boost Up 
charging pad sells for $59.99 and unless I'm missing something has to be 
plugged into a wall outlet. I'm having a hard time understanding why this is 
really all that more convenient than just plugging a cable into your phone to 
charge it but I admit I've not fully researched the technology yet.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

I think even the fact I could get 3 or 4 of these chargers for my office and at 
home to have in the kitchen, bedroom and living room would make a big 
difference. Yes, you could have cables in all these locations, but who wants to 
go to the kitchen, plug in the phone, then unplug it when you maybe go to the 
living room, plug it in again and so on and so forth. If all you have to do is 
put it down on a charging pad this is a totally different story. I for one have 
preferred places where I put down my phone in these places so if I had a 
charging pad there my phone would always be charged and I rarely would have to 
worry about running out.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
lenron brown
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

When I can charge wirelessly from a distance that's when it will really matter 
to me, still a cool thing to have though so I am not knocking it.

On 9/14/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> I don t claim to understand this fully, but yes, currently the 
> technology which charges devices wirelessly from a distance does not 
> exist. Maybe it exists in labs and I can almost guaranty that Apple is 
> probably working very hard on getting this to work, but for now 
> wireless just means that you don t have to plug in a wire.
> As for public spaces, I believe companies like Starbucks and so on 
> have wireless charging pads built into tables so you could have your 
> phone charging right next to you, obviously nobody would put their 
> phone down on a charging pad and then go away and sit down 10 or 20 feet away.
> As for charging when you travel there is nothing which prevents you to 
> do this just as you have always done it which means bring your 
> Lightning cable and plug it in. However, when Apple releases their  
> Airpower  charger as they call it then for people who have an iPhone, 
> an Apple Watch and maybe Airpods bringing this instead makes a lot of 
> sense since it can charge all three devices by themselves or all three 
> at once and of course as time goes by this may even include other d

Re: Problems with Latest Version of iTunes

['鍾 智明' via VIPhone]

My problem is, I cannot play my music 

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> Judy Holloway  於 2017年9月15日 下午12:56 寫道：
> 
> I upgraded to the latest version of iTunes, and I am totally lost. Could 
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RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

[James Homuth]

Eh. As long as Apple gives me some benefit to plugging the phone in,
particularly to my computer, I'm probably not going to switch to wireless
charging. Okay, so perhaps you won't be able to use your computer to
download apps going forward. I assume you can still use it to download iOS,
and back up your phone. Because we all know how often Apple's updates are
the opposite of flawless, that will be good enough reason for me not to
adopt wireless charging. If Apple eventually kills those benefits, such as
only letting you update the OS from your phone, it may be time for me to
consider a switch to Android.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: September-15-17 2:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

Hi Alan,

I assume the wireless charging pads will always have to plugged into a wall
outlet, but for me I see the advantage in how easy it is to simply put your
phone down on the pad on your side table or in the living room and it's
charging. You don't plug in your lightning cable each time you put your
phone down and maybe 10 minutes later you want to get up and walk away, then
you first have to unplug the cable and all in all it's just a nuisance. As I
said before, I think the fact the phone would be charging a great deal of
the time when it's lying on the table means you most of the time walk away
with a full or almost full battery and of course most batteries nowadays
don't care about getting charge just a bit all the time. Then of course
there is the fact that as this technology gets to be purvasive in coffee
shops, restaurants, airplanes and so on you have lots of opportunities to
charge your phone. I believe the Belkin mat delivers 7.5 Watts and as the
new iPhones all have fast charging technology (they charge from completely
empty to 50% in half an hour) I really do see how this can be a very nice
feature even if there is an initial investment.
Also, this is something Tom from Applevis brought up in their special
Podcast about the Apple event, many of us go through Lightning cables on a
fairly regular bases. I personally seem to get quite a long life out of
them, but I have broken some and certainly have bought my share of cables.
Wireless charging would mostly illiminate this issue and while the charging
pad is more expensive to begin with, you would probably have this thing for
years and years to come so vover time it may end up paying for itself.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

Well, until wireless charging is more prevalent with more competition, I
can't see much advantages from the one product I just read about. The Belkin
Boost Up charging pad sells for $59.99 and unless I'm missing something has
to be plugged into a wall outlet. I'm having a hard time understanding why
this is really all that more convenient than just plugging a cable into your
phone to charge it but I admit I've not fully researched the technology yet.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

I think even the fact I could get 3 or 4 of these chargers for my office and
at home to have in the kitchen, bedroom and living room would make a big
difference. Yes, you could have cables in all these locations, but who wants
to go to the kitchen, plug in the phone, then unplug it when you maybe go to
the living room, plug it in again and so on and so forth. If all you have to
do is put it down on a charging pad this is a totally different story. I for
one have preferred places where I put down my phone in these places so if I
had a charging pad there my phone would always be charged and I rarely would
have to worry about running out.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of lenron brown
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

When I can charge wirelessly from a distance that's when it will really
matter to me, still a cool thing to have though so I am not knocking it.

On 9/14/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> I don t claim to understand this fully, but yes, currently the 
> technology which charges devices wirelessly from a distance does not 
> exist. Maybe it exists in labs and I can almost guaranty that Apple is 
> probably working very hard on getting this to work, but for now 
> wireless just means tha