Re: Walmart Black Friday deal

[Vicky Collins]

Well, here I am at this late date replying to my own message again, and I'm 
replying on the web since I no longer have the original email I sent, so 
who knows how it will turn out. But I learned some things that I didn't 
realize along the way, so I figured I would just, hopefully, finally 
complete this journey with the phones from Walmart and pass along my 
experience as well.

Anyway, as I mentioned below in an earlier message, one of the iPhones I 
purchased on the installment agreement was a 14 Plus. And the more I 
thought about it over the few months while I was paying on the installment 
agreement, I decided that since I had already gotten what I really wanted, 
meaning the $500 Walmart E-gift card, that I would just give the 14 Plus to 
my sister and think about getting myself another smaller iPhone. Thus, 
since I had kept the installment agreement more than twice as long as the 
two months I was required to keep it, and since the AT phone unlock 
policy said in part: "Paid off early: The wireless number assigned to the 
device must be active for at least 60 days," I thought I could just simply 
pay off the installment agreement, wait for that payment to post, and then 
request that AT unlock the phone.

Well, was I ever wrong! And to think I had already given my sister the 
phone! For, when I went to the AT unlock portal and gave the phone IMEI 
and the rest of my information, I was told that they couldn't unlock the 
phone, saying something like they didn't recognize the IMEI as being on 
their network. And seeing as the 14 Plus was still in its unsealed box when 
I gave it to my sister, I guess that makes sense, even if I did kind of 
assume that the IMEI would've already been associated with AT because of 
the installment agreement for that 14 Plus that I had with them.

Now I didn't know what to do as I certainly didn't want to ask my sister 
for the phone back and tell her that I would be happy to give it back to 
her to use on Verizon after I had activated it and used it myself on AT 
for a couple of months. So I finally decided to look around on the web and 
see what I could find about getting the phone unlocked either by AT or a 
third party. And while I was doing that, I thought to use one or two of the 
IMEI check sites to see if they would confirm for me that the phone was 
indeed locked to AT

When I ran a check on the IMEI, it told me, among other things: "Carrier: 
US Reseller Flex Policy
Next Tether Policy: 4000."
And when I researched that further, it sure looked like to me that it was 
saying that the phone was shipped to me from Walmart as unlocked, but it 
was set such that it would lock to the first carrier in which a SIM card 
was put. Although I didn't call AT since I was looking to take the phone 
away from them, I did call both Walmart and Apple and asked if I gave them 
the IMEI, could they confirm that the phone was indeed under this US 
Reseller Flex Policy, but they each said they could not and I didn't press 
the issue.

I next, although I wasn't quite ready to do so yet but wanted to try and 
help my sister, got out my 15 Pro and set it up, although I didn't yet opt 
to transfer my data plan from my 13 Mini to that phone. I then told my 
sister I set up my phone without a problem and didn't have to change my 
data plan or anything, so she then set up the 14 Plus, also electing not to 
set up a data plan on it. It seemed kind of strange to me, though, as when 
I then checked the IMEI of our respective phones that it showed they were 
activated and even gave the start and end dates for the limited Apple 
warranty, even though neither of us at that time had actually activated the 
phone with a carrier.

Finally, though, since my data is only through my iPhones and I couldn't 
update my 15 Pro via Personal Hotspot, I had to transfer my physical SIM 
from my 13 Mini to an E-SIM on my 15 Pro, which was really easy and only 
took a couple of minutes, and then I could update the 15 Pro to the latest 
iOS version via the cellular data plan, although I then transferred my 
E-SIM back to the 13 Mini as I'm not quite ready to make the switch to the 
15 Pro quite yet. And then for the much bigger test, I told my sister how 
easy it was for me to transfer my data plan to the new phone and suggested 
she might want to try that as well, just to make sure I gave her a phone 
that she could use in case something happened to her 13 Mini. And, sure 
enough, she finally did transfer her SIM to the 14 Plus without a problem 
and it activated on Verizon, even though I had purchased the phone as an 
upgrade through AT for myself. And upon checking the IMEI status for that 
14 Plus, it then showed: "Carrier: US Verizon Locked Activation Policy
Next Tether Policy: 2387
Country: United States
Sim-Lock: Locked."

I sure breathed a big sigh of relief that I hadn't given her a paper 
weight, and I learned a whole lot along the way myself. And I hope this at 
least made a little sense for you 

Re: Question about Voiceover?

[Evan Reese]

I guess I should add that what I described below is what I am doing in 
the privacy of my own home.


If I were out in public and making calls where I had to enter sensitive 
information, then I would definitely make sure my screen curtain is on 
and I would certainly be using earbuds or earphones of some sort.


Evan


On 6/17/2024 9:54 PM, Evan Reese wrote:
If I am understanding your question correctly, I just hold the iPhone 
away from my ear, putting it on speaker phone.


Then, I can hear VoiceOver just fine, and I can punch in any numbers 
on the keypad that I need.


I do it when I call my bank pretty regularly, where I have to enter my 
checking account number.


Evan

On 6/17/2024 6:51 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:

Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a
phone call, say at the pharmacy, when they are giving
information and you want to punch in the number for
something or doctor clinic, when you want to punch the
number for the nurse's extension? I have a real hard time,
and I've tried with Audio Ducking off and with it on, no
help.



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Re: Question about Voiceover?

[Evan Reese]

If I am understanding your question correctly, I just hold the iPhone 
away from my ear, putting it on speaker phone.


Then, I can hear VoiceOver just fine, and I can punch in any numbers on 
the keypad that I need.


I do it when I call my bank pretty regularly, where I have to enter my 
checking account number.


Evan

On 6/17/2024 6:51 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:

Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a
phone call, say at the pharmacy, when they are giving
information and you want to punch in the number for
something or doctor clinic, when you want to punch the
number for the nurse's extension? I have a real hard time,
and I've tried with Audio Ducking off and with it on, no
help.



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Re: Question about Voiceover?

[Robert Doc Wright]

If its the tone that is giving you a problem then then go into voiceover 
speech and change the pitch.
- Original Message - 
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <2carolynarn...@gmail.com>
To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 4:51 PM
Subject: Question about Voiceover?


Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a
phone call, say at the pharmacy, when they are giving
information and you want to punch in the number for
something or doctor clinic, when you want to punch the
number for the nurse's extension? I have a real hard time,
and I've tried with Audio Ducking off and with it on, no
help.

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Re: Screen recognition

[Richard Turner]

How did screen recognition work with your pool control app? If not at all, then the app is completely inaccessible. The Sonos app, if you have any sonos speakers, works better with screen recognition. I have not found a lot of other apps where it helped. My Arboleaf app for my scale reads better with it on, but that is about it. Someone said the weather channel worked better with it. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Jun 17, 2024, at 4:21 PM, paekstr...@gmail.com wrote:Hi , yes , I understood that.  I was just surprised that with screen recognition on in that app, it just looked normal to me, which was not what someone else was reporting. Does anyone know under what circumstances screen recognition works well?  In the pool controller app we are trying to assess, without screen recognition, the app pretty much says nothing with voiceover.  It doesn’t announce the word “button” or anything. Thanks,Pam From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Christopher ChaltainSent: Monday, June 17, 2024 6:38 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Screen recognition I suggested you turn screen recognition on for the BARD Mobile App just to see what it looks like. It is nonsense to actually use if with the BARD Mobile App though. I thought it would just give you some ideas on how it works and what it might look like with an inaccessible app. I’d just forget I ever brought that up if I were you!  --Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷Chaltain at Outlook, USA From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of paekstr...@gmail.comSent: Monday, June 17, 2024 5:27 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Screen recognition I am still trying to understand how this works.  It was mentioned in another thread that someone turned screen recognition on for the Bard app, specifically, just to see how it acted.  Someone else said they did this and got nonsense from the app.  I turned it on for Bard, and when I entered Bard it said screen recognition on, but acted normally.  I understand that this should not be turned on for apps that work with voiceover, but am just trying to understand what is going on. I was trying to experiment with it to see if it might work with the Omnilogic app for controlling our pool, which isn’t at all accessible once you have logged in.  Unfortunately, we are just at the stage where we are trying to determine if there is any way to make this app accessible, so the only way we can really try it is to have our pool service rep connect to someone else’s pool that uses this controller. Pam From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay MalmquistSent: Monday, June 17, 2024 4:33 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Screen recognition OK, sounds great.  That is really what I thought it might be about, but glad you confirmed it.  Take care. Kay Malmquistkay.malmqu...@gmail.com “Abundance flows into your life when gratitude flows out of your heart.” – Jon Gordon  - Original Message - From: Richard Turner To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 3:16 PMSubject: RE: Screen recognition The Apply to Apps is so you can select some apps to automatically load screen recognition.  It is useful once you determine an app works best with Screen Recognition on.For me, I set Sonos to load screen recognition automatically.Also now, my Arboleaf app for my scale. I’d leave it alone until you determine an app needs Screen Recognition.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay MalmquistSent: Monday, June 17, 2024 1:11 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Screen recognition No, but I just did.  There is also a button that says, apply to apps.  Do I tap on that one as well or leave it alone?Kay Malmquistkay.malmqu...@gmail.com “Abundance flows into your life when gratitude flows out of your heart.” – Jon Gordon  - Original Message - From: Richard Turner To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 1:47 PMSubject: RE: Screen recognition Did you try going into VoiceOver Settings, VoiceOver Recognition and turning Screen Recognition on there.Make sure it is saying selected in the rotor items section on Screen Recognition.Then, going into an app and check the rotor? Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines 

RE: Question about Voiceover?

[Mario Eiland]

I find it easier to manage this process by using either headphones or my 
airpods.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 3:52 PM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Question about Voiceover?

Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a phone call, say at 
the pharmacy, when they are giving information and you want to punch in the 
number for something or doctor clinic, when you want to punch the number for 
the nurse's extension? I have a real hard time, and I've tried with Audio 
Ducking off and with it on, no help.  

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RE: Whatsapp question

[Mario Eiland]

HI Marilyn,
Try this:
1. Tap Settings > Privacy.
2. Tap Default message timer.
3. Select 24 hours, 7 days, 90 days, or Off.
4. If you want to apply the timer to existing chats, tap "by selecting them" 
and then tap the chats.

Turn on disappearing messages in a specific chat Anyone can turn on 
disappearing messages in an individual chat. Once turned on, new messages in 
the chat
will disappear after the duration you select.
1. Open a chat.
2. Tap the contact’s name.
3. Tap Disappearing messages.
• If prompted, tap Continue.
4. Select 24 hours, 7 days, or 90 days under Message timer.

Hope that helps!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of marilyn
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Whatsapp question

Hello Ignacio, 
Thanks for your suggestions. I have followed your steps, but am having no 
success. Are there other headings I should be looking for? Also, is this 
something I need to do for each message? I would like the setting to apply to 
all messages so I don't have to deal with them individually. 
Thanks. 
Marilyn   

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ignacio 
Suarez
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Whatsapp question

Hi there. Inside a chat, go to the very top where it says image. Tap on it, and 
then go down to disappearing messages. Tap on it in set it to turn it off. That 
will turn off your disappearing messages. If you want to change the setting 
again, do the same thing. I hope this helps. Have a nice day. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2024, at 8:43 AM, marilyn  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> Previously in Whatsapp I would hear "voice message from xxx plus the number." 
> Now I am hearing the name and "new messages will disappear from this chat 7 
> days after they are sent except when they are kept." I did not change any 
> settings, so don't know why or how this new setting has been activated. I 
> want it to be that I don't hear that disappearing information and where I am 
> the one to delete the message or it will stay there. I have gone into 
> settings, storage and data, manage storage, but then don't find a heading to 
> change the setting to stop the disappearing.
> Please give me some step by step guidance here. Many thanks.
> Marilyn   
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Re: Whatsapp question

[Ignacio Suarez]

To my understanding, you have to do it individually on each message. I am not 
aware of a general setting for all the chats. This doesn’t mean that there’s 
not one, I just have not seen it. Like I said, if you tap on the image or the 
persons name participating on the chat, You can get to the setting by swiping 
all the way down to the disappearing messages and then turn it off. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2024, at 6:03 PM, marilyn  wrote:
> 
> Hello Ignacio,
> Thanks for your suggestions. I have followed your steps, but am having no 
> success. Are there other headings I should be looking for? Also, is this 
> something I need to do for each message? I would like the setting to apply to 
> all messages so I don't have to deal with them individually.
> Thanks.
> Marilyn   
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ignacio Suarez
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 9:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Whatsapp question
> 
> Hi there. Inside a chat, go to the very top where it says image. Tap on it, 
> and then go down to disappearing messages. Tap on it in set it to turn it 
> off. That will turn off your disappearing messages. If you want to change the 
> setting again, do the same thing. I hope this helps. Have a nice day.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2024, at 8:43 AM, marilyn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> Previously in Whatsapp I would hear "voice message from xxx plus the 
>> number." Now I am hearing the name and "new messages will disappear from 
>> this chat 7 days after they are sent except when they are kept." I did not 
>> change any settings, so don't know why or how this new setting has been 
>> activated. I want it to be that I don't hear that disappearing information 
>> and where I am the one to delete the message or it will stay there. I have 
>> gone into settings, storage and data, manage storage, but then don't find a 
>> heading to change the setting to stop the disappearing.
>> Please give me some step by step guidance here. Many thanks.
>> Marilyn   
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RE: Screen recognition

[paekstrand]

Hi , yes , I understood that.  I was just surprised that with screen 
recognition on in that app, it just looked normal to me, which was not what 
someone else was reporting.

 

Does anyone know under what circumstances screen recognition works well?  In 
the pool controller app we are trying to assess, without screen recognition, 
the app pretty much says nothing with voiceover.  It doesn’t announce the word 
“button” or anything.

 

Thanks,

Pam

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 6:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition

 

I suggested you turn screen recognition on for the BARD Mobile App just to see 
what it looks like. It is nonsense to actually use if with the BARD Mobile App 
though. I thought it would just give you some ideas on how it works and what it 
might look like with an inaccessible app. I’d just forget I ever brought that 
up if I were you! 

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷

Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
paekstr...@gmail.com  
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 5:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Screen recognition

 

I am still trying to understand how this works.  It was mentioned in another 
thread that someone turned screen recognition on for the Bard app, 
specifically, just to see how it acted.  Someone else said they did this and 
got nonsense from the app.  I turned it on for Bard, and when I entered Bard it 
said screen recognition on, but acted normally.  I understand that this should 
not be turned on for apps that work with voiceover, but am just trying to 
understand what is going on.

 

I was trying to experiment with it to see if it might work with the Omnilogic 
app for controlling our pool, which isn’t at all accessible once you have 
logged in.  Unfortunately, we are just at the stage where we are trying to 
determine if there is any way to make this app accessible, so the only way we 
can really try it is to have our pool service rep connect to someone else’s 
pool that uses this controller.

 

Pam

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 4:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Screen recognition

 

OK, sounds great.  That is really what I thought it might be about, but glad 
you confirmed it.  Take care. 


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com  

 

“Abundance flows into your life when gratitude flows out of your heart.” 
– Jon Gordon

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 3:16 PM

Subject: RE: Screen recognition

 

The Apply to Apps is so you can select some apps to automatically load screen 
recognition.  It is useful once you determine an app works best with Screen 
Recognition on.

For me, I set Sonos to load screen recognition automatically.

Also now, my Arboleaf app for my scale.

 

I’d leave it alone until you determine an app needs Screen Recognition.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Screen recognition

 

No, but I just did.  There is also a button that says, apply to apps.  Do I tap 
on that one as well or leave it alone?


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com  

 

“Abundance flows into your life when gratitude flows out of your heart.” 
– Jon Gordon

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 1:47 PM

Subject: RE: Screen recognition

 

Did you try going into VoiceOver Settings, VoiceOver Recognition and turning 
Screen Recognition on there.

Make sure it is saying selected in the rotor items section on Screen 
Recognition.

Then, going into an app and check the rotor?

 

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 

Re: Question about Voiceover?

[Joshua Hendrickson]

No I do not, because I usually us either bluetooth headphones or a bluetooth 
speaker.
Sent from Joshua’s radical chariot!!!

> On Jun 17, 2024, at 5:51 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a
> phone call, say at the pharmacy, when they are giving
> information and you want to punch in the number for
> something or doctor clinic, when you want to punch the
> number for the nurse's extension? I have a real hard time,
> and I've tried with Audio Ducking off and with it on, no
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RE: Whatsapp question

[marilyn]

Hello Ignacio, 
Thanks for your suggestions. I have followed your steps, but am having no 
success. Are there other headings I should be looking for? Also, is this 
something I need to do for each message? I would like the setting to apply to 
all messages so I don't have to deal with them individually. 
Thanks. 
Marilyn   

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ignacio 
Suarez
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Whatsapp question

Hi there. Inside a chat, go to the very top where it says image. Tap on it, and 
then go down to disappearing messages. Tap on it in set it to turn it off. That 
will turn off your disappearing messages. If you want to change the setting 
again, do the same thing. I hope this helps. Have a nice day. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2024, at 8:43 AM, marilyn  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> Previously in Whatsapp I would hear "voice message from xxx plus the number." 
> Now I am hearing the name and "new messages will disappear from this chat 7 
> days after they are sent except when they are kept." I did not change any 
> settings, so don't know why or how this new setting has been activated. I 
> want it to be that I don't hear that disappearing information and where I am 
> the one to delete the message or it will stay there. I have gone into 
> settings, storage and data, manage storage, but then don't find a heading to 
> change the setting to stop the disappearing.
> Please give me some step by step guidance here. Many thanks.
> Marilyn   
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Re: Mail Annoyance with Message Threads

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Tom, I thought we were probably using different approaches. I'll give yours a try the next time I think about it but I'll confess to staying stuck in a routine once I find one that works for me. Thanks for the clarification. Alan Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 17, 2024, at 5:26 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:Hi Alan,You wrote: I'm also using the native Mail app on the latest version of iOS but I'm not following your question. You mention a new thread which I'm assuming is one in your inbox containing multiple messages.  Yes, that’s exactly what I’m talking about. But you don't say anything about expanding the thread which is what I first do. After I expand the thread, I swipe down to the first message and let VoiceOver speak the message without actually opening the message which I only do if the message is too long to be spoken by my preview setting.   I don’t have previews turned on. Also, I never expand the thread and swipe down to the first message as you described. I just double-tap on the thread and, it it’s a brand-new thread, I assume that I’ll land in message 1,  read it and go on from there. Perhaps I should start using your method. 



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Question about Voiceover?

[Carolyn Arnold]

Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a
phone call, say at the pharmacy, when they are giving
information and you want to punch in the number for
something or doctor clinic, when you want to punch the
number for the nurse's extension? I have a real hard time,
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help.  

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RE: Screen recognition

[Christopher Chaltain]

I suggested you turn screen recognition on for the BARD Mobile App just to see 
what it looks like. It is nonsense to actually use if with the BARD Mobile App 
though. I thought it would just give you some ideas on how it works and what it 
might look like with an inaccessible app. I’d just forget I ever brought that 
up if I were you! 

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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
paekstr...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 5:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition

I am still trying to understand how this works.  It was mentioned in another 
thread that someone turned screen recognition on for the Bard app, 
specifically, just to see how it acted.  Someone else said they did this and 
got nonsense from the app.  I turned it on for Bard, and when I entered Bard it 
said screen recognition on, but acted normally.  I understand that this should 
not be turned on for apps that work with voiceover, but am just trying to 
understand what is going on.

I was trying to experiment with it to see if it might work with the Omnilogic 
app for controlling our pool, which isn’t at all accessible once you have 
logged in.  Unfortunately, we are just at the stage where we are trying to 
determine if there is any way to make this app accessible, so the only way we 
can really try it is to have our pool service rep connect to someone else’s 
pool that uses this controller.

Pam

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 4:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recognition

OK, sounds great.  That is really what I thought it might be about, but glad 
you confirmed it.  Take care.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

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- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 3:16 PM
Subject: RE: Screen recognition

The Apply to Apps is so you can select some apps to automatically load screen 
recognition.  It is useful once you determine an app works best with Screen 
Recognition on.
For me, I set Sonos to load screen recognition automatically.
Also now, my Arboleaf app for my scale.

I’d leave it alone until you determine an app needs Screen Recognition.



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recognition

No, but I just did.  There is also a button that says, apply to apps.  Do I tap 
on that one as well or leave it alone?

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

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- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 1:47 PM
Subject: RE: Screen recognition

Did you try going into VoiceOver Settings, VoiceOver Recognition and turning 
Screen Recognition on there.
Make sure it is saying selected in the rotor items section on Screen 
Recognition.
Then, going into an app and check the rotor?





Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Penny 
Reeder
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 8:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recognition

The same thing happened to me.
Penny

On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 11:46 AM Kay Malmquist 
mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi, As long as we are on the subject, I put screen recognition on the rotor, or 
at least I thought I had.  I went in to rotor and selected it but it does not 
appear in the rotor.  No matter where I am in the phone.  I can be on a web 
site and it is still not in the rotor.  Any ideas why? 

RE: Screen recognition

[paekstrand]

I am still trying to understand how this works.  It was mentioned in another 
thread that someone turned screen recognition on for the Bard app, 
specifically, just to see how it acted.  Someone else said they did this and 
got nonsense from the app.  I turned it on for Bard, and when I entered Bard it 
said screen recognition on, but acted normally.  I understand that this should 
not be turned on for apps that work with voiceover, but am just trying to 
understand what is going on.

 

I was trying to experiment with it to see if it might work with the Omnilogic 
app for controlling our pool, which isn’t at all accessible once you have 
logged in.  Unfortunately, we are just at the stage where we are trying to 
determine if there is any way to make this app accessible, so the only way we 
can really try it is to have our pool service rep connect to someone else’s 
pool that uses this controller.

 

Pam

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 4:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recognition

 

OK, sounds great.  That is really what I thought it might be about, but glad 
you confirmed it.  Take care. 


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com  

 

“Abundance flows into your life when gratitude flows out of your heart.” 
– Jon Gordon

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 3:16 PM

Subject: RE: Screen recognition

 

The Apply to Apps is so you can select some apps to automatically load screen 
recognition.  It is useful once you determine an app works best with Screen 
Recognition on.

For me, I set Sonos to load screen recognition automatically.

Also now, my Arboleaf app for my scale.

 

I’d leave it alone until you determine an app needs Screen Recognition.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Screen recognition

 

No, but I just did.  There is also a button that says, apply to apps.  Do I tap 
on that one as well or leave it alone?


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com  

 

“Abundance flows into your life when gratitude flows out of your heart.” 
– Jon Gordon

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 1:47 PM

Subject: RE: Screen recognition

 

Did you try going into VoiceOver Settings, VoiceOver Recognition and turning 
Screen Recognition on there.

Make sure it is saying selected in the rotor items section on Screen 
Recognition.

Then, going into an app and check the rotor?

 

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Penny Reeder
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 8:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Screen recognition

 

The same thing happened to me.

Penny

 

On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 11:46 AM Kay Malmquist mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi, As long as we are on the subject, I put screen recognition on the rotor, or 
at least I thought I had.  I went in to rotor and selected it but it does not 
appear in the rotor.  No matter where I am in the phone.  I can be on a web 
site and it is still not in the rotor.  Any ideas why?  Thanks much.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com  

 

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– Jon Gordon

 

 

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RE: Recommended smart plugs

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I would recommend the TP Link, make sure you get the ones which have Matter 
support. Nobody should buy any smart home device these days unless it has 
Matter support. I for one refuse to do so and if I want something in particular 
which does not have it, I probably would rather wait until that happens. I also 
usually try to nake sure that all 3 voice platforms are s upport, Alexa, Google 
and Apple Homekit/Siri.

Best regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
Duncan
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 10:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Recommended smart plugs

Hello, what are some of your favorite smart plugs? Whether it works well with 
iOS, or smart speakers.

Thank you,
Traci
Sent by my green 13 Mini

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RE: Recommended smart plugs

[sarai.bucciarelli]

I use the Amazon basics smart plug. Very accessible.

-Original Message-
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Duncan
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Subject: Recommended smart plugs

Hello, what are some of your favorite smart plugs? Whether it works well with 
iOS, or smart speakers.

Thank you,
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RE: Mail Annoyance with Message Threads

[Richard Turner]

I often use Alan’s method. But I also use your method and don’t have the issue 
of focus jumping off message 1, etc.

However, the expand thread message then treats each email as a separate email 
so if you want to reply and not quote all the messages, the one you reply to 
will be the one quoted below yours…

 

 

 

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Hi Alan,

You wrote:

 

I'm also using the native Mail app on the latest version of iOS but I'm not 
following your question. You mention a new thread which I'm assuming is one in 
your inbox containing multiple messages. 

 

Yes, that’s exactly what I’m talking about.

 

But you don't say anything about expanding the thread which is what I first do. 
After I expand the thread, I swipe down to the first message and let VoiceOver 
speak the message without actually opening the message which I only do if the 
message is too long to be spoken by my preview setting. 

 

 

I don’t have previews turned on. Also, I never expand the thread and swipe down 
to the first message as you described. I just double-tap on the thread and, it 
it’s a brand-new thread, I assume that I’ll land in message 1,  read it and go 
on from there. Perhaps I should start using your method. 

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RE: Mail Annoyance with Message Threads

[lange85]

Hi Alan,

You wrote:

 

I'm also using the native Mail app on the latest version of iOS but I'm not 
following your question. You mention a new thread which I'm assuming is one in 
your inbox containing multiple messages. 

 

Yes, that’s exactly what I’m talking about.

 

But you don't say anything about expanding the thread which is what I first do. 
After I expand the thread, I swipe down to the first message and let VoiceOver 
speak the message without actually opening the message which I only do if the 
message is too long to be spoken by my preview setting. 

 

 

I don’t have previews turned on. Also, I never expand the thread and swipe down 
to the first message as you described. I just double-tap on the thread and, it 
it’s a brand-new thread, I assume that I’ll land in message 1,  read it and go 
on from there. Perhaps I should start using your method. 

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Re: Mail Annoyance with Message Threads

[Richard Turner]

I've not seen that on my 13 pro. I'm on iOS 17.5.1. I know that was happening a few versions back for many people, but I'm not sure which iOS that was. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Jun 17, 2024, at 2:06 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:Hi Tom, I'm also using the native Mail app on the latest version of iOS but I'm not following your question. You mention a new thread which I'm assuming is one in your inbox containing multiple messages. But you don't say anything about expanding the thread which is what I first do. After I expand the thread, I swipe down to the first message and let VoiceOver speak the message without actually opening the message which I only do if the message is too long to be spoken by my preview setting. This doesn't seem to be the method you're using based on the information you provided. Perhaps you can give more details. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 17, 2024, at 4:47 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:Hi,This situation has been around for years and I don’t know what to do about it. I’m running the native Mail app on an iPhone 12 Pro with the latest IOS.  I have Mail set up so that messages are threaded, which is particularly useful on high-traffic mailing lists when I want to temporarily ignore or trash a group of messages that don’t interest me. Though this doesn’t happen consistently, when I open a brand-new thread, VoiceOver will say that I’m in message 1 then immediately jump to message 2. I then have to use the rotor to get to Messages and swipe back to message 1. Does anybody else experience this and if so how did you solve it?Thanks in advance. Tom 



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Re: Mail Annoyance with Message Threads

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Tom, I'm also using the native Mail app on the latest version of iOS but I'm not following your question. You mention a new thread which I'm assuming is one in your inbox containing multiple messages. But you don't say anything about expanding the thread which is what I first do. After I expand the thread, I swipe down to the first message and let VoiceOver speak the message without actually opening the message which I only do if the message is too long to be spoken by my preview setting. This doesn't seem to be the method you're using based on the information you provided. Perhaps you can give more details. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 17, 2024, at 4:47 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:Hi,This situation has been around for years and I don’t know what to do about it. I’m running the native Mail app on an iPhone 12 Pro with the latest IOS.  I have Mail set up so that messages are threaded, which is particularly useful on high-traffic mailing lists when I want to temporarily ignore or trash a group of messages that don’t interest me. Though this doesn’t happen consistently, when I open a brand-new thread, VoiceOver will say that I’m in message 1 then immediately jump to message 2. I then have to use the rotor to get to Messages and swipe back to message 1. Does anybody else experience this and if so how did you solve it?Thanks in advance. Tom 



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Mail Annoyance with Message Threads

[lange85]

Hi,

This situation has been around for years and I don't know what to do about
it. I'm running the native Mail app on an iPhone 12 Pro with the latest IOS.
I have Mail set up so that messages are threaded, which is particularly
useful on high-traffic mailing lists when I want to temporarily ignore or
trash a group of messages that don't interest me. Though this doesn't happen
consistently, when I open a brand-new thread, VoiceOver will say that I'm in
message 1 then immediately jump to message 2. I then have to use the rotor
to get to Messages and swipe back to message 1. Does anybody else experience
this and if so how did you solve it?

Thanks in advance. 

Tom

 

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Re: Screen recognition

[Kay Malmquist]

OK, sounds great.  That is really what I thought it might be about, but glad 
you confirmed it.  Take care.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 3:16 PM
  Subject: RE: Screen recognition


  The Apply to Apps is so you can select some apps to automatically load 
screen recognition.  It is useful once you determine an app works best with 
Screen Recognition on.

  For me, I set Sonos to load screen recognition automatically.

  Also now, my Arboleaf app for my scale.



  I’d leave it alone until you determine an app needs Screen Recognition.







  Richard, USA

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than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight 
fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your 
life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description 
(1932-2009)



  My web site: https://www.turner42.com



  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
  Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 1:11 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Screen recognition



  No, but I just did.  There is also a button that says, apply to apps.  Do 
I tap on that one as well or leave it alone?


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- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 1:47 PM

Subject: RE: Screen recognition



Did you try going into VoiceOver Settings, VoiceOver Recognition and 
turning Screen Recognition on there.

Make sure it is saying selected in the rotor items section on Screen 
Recognition.

Then, going into an app and check the rotor?











Richard, USA

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than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight 
fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your 
life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description 
(1932-2009)



My web site: https://www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Penny Reeder
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 8:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recognition



The same thing happened to me.

Penny



On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 11:46 AM Kay Malmquist  
wrote:

  Hi, As long as we are on the subject, I put screen recognition on the 
rotor, or at least I thought I had.  I went in to rotor and selected it but 
it does not appear in the rotor.  No matter where I am in the phone.  I can 
be on a web site and it is still not in the rotor.  Any ideas why?  Thanks 
much.


  Kay Malmquist
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RE: Screen recognition

[Richard Turner]

The Apply to Apps is so you can select some apps to automatically load screen 
recognition.  It is useful once you determine an app works best with Screen 
Recognition on.

For me, I set Sonos to load screen recognition automatically.

Also now, my Arboleaf app for my scale.

 

I’d leave it alone until you determine an app needs Screen Recognition.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recognition

 

No, but I just did.  There is also a button that says, apply to apps.  Do I tap 
on that one as well or leave it alone?


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com  

 

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– Jon Gordon

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 1:47 PM

Subject: RE: Screen recognition

 

Did you try going into VoiceOver Settings, VoiceOver Recognition and turning 
Screen Recognition on there.

Make sure it is saying selected in the rotor items section on Screen 
Recognition.

Then, going into an app and check the rotor?

 

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Penny Reeder
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 8:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Screen recognition

 

The same thing happened to me.

Penny

 

On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 11:46 AM Kay Malmquist mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi, As long as we are on the subject, I put screen recognition on the rotor, or 
at least I thought I had.  I went in to rotor and selected it but it does not 
appear in the rotor.  No matter where I am in the phone.  I can be on a web 
site and it is still not in the rotor.  Any ideas why?  Thanks much.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com  

 

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Re: Screen recognition

[Kay Malmquist]

No, but I just did.  There is also a button that says, apply to apps.  Do I 
tap on that one as well or leave it alone?

Kay Malmquist
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  - Original Message - 
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  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 1:47 PM
  Subject: RE: Screen recognition


  Did you try going into VoiceOver Settings, VoiceOver Recognition and 
turning Screen Recognition on there.

  Make sure it is saying selected in the rotor items section on Screen 
Recognition.

  Then, going into an app and check the rotor?











  Richard, USA

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than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight 
fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your 
life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description 
(1932-2009)



  My web site: https://www.turner42.com



  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Penny Reeder
  Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 8:53 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Screen recognition



  The same thing happened to me.

  Penny



  On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 11:46 AM Kay Malmquist  
wrote:

Hi, As long as we are on the subject, I put screen recognition on the 
rotor, or at least I thought I had.  I went in to rotor and selected it but 
it does not appear in the rotor.  No matter where I am in the phone.  I can 
be on a web site and it is still not in the rotor.  Any ideas why?  Thanks 
much.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com



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Re: Recommended smart plugs

['Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone]

We use SmartLife Smart Plugs. They can be purchased in two packs at Walmart and 
work with an app on the iPhone. They work well with Voice through both Sonos 
and Amazon using Alexa voice commands. The app is accessible.
Merv


> On Jun 17, 2024, at 1:15 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Hello, what are some of your favorite smart plugs? Whether it works well with 
> iOS, or smart speakers.
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RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Richard Turner]

Sorry Charles and Christopher.  Sometimes my brain does funny things like 
jumping to a conclusion when I hear Charlton and think Charles, which is kind 
of silly when you stop and think about it.

 

O well.  The end result is the same,  it means I messed up but still know that 
I won’t be testing screen recognition where it isn’t needed …

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 11:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

It wasn’t  Charles but Christopher, and that’s me, that was spewing nonsense. 
Someone asked how screen recognition would help, and I suggested they turn it 
on while in the BARD Mobile App to see how it would work there. I did point out 
that the BARD Mobile App was accessible so screen recognition wouldn’t be 
needed. Sorry for the confusion. I’ll be smarter next time before tossing such 
a nonsensical idea out into the ether! 

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷

Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 9:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Yes I know that.

But Charles was recommending to folks they turn on Screen Recognition in BARD 
to see how a sighted person sees the screen, which in my test, is nonsense at 
best.

So, I was responding to Charles.  No one should ever touch screen recognition 
unless they cannot access an app normally.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 7:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Richard, 

 

I suspect since BARD Mobile is already accessible with VoiceOver in its native 
form, those results you're getting are the very reason we recommend that screen 
recognition not be left on unless one is positive that it benefits the app in 
question. You can get very unreliable results with screen recognition turned on 
in an app not needing it. 

 

Alan 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jun 16, 2024, at 11:19 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



Well, on my 13 pro, using BARDMobile with Screen Recognition is awful.

In places it says Image, a white letter on a gray background … or something 
equally useless.

If that is what a sighted person sees, I am glad they don’t have to use 
BARDMobile.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Screen recognition was also useful when the new SiriusXM app was released. It 
gave access to the mini-player which wasn’t seen by VoiceOver at all. If you 
want to see what it looks like, and how it might be useful, turn it on while 
using the BARD Mobile App, if you have it. It isn’t necessary to use the BARD 
Mobile App but screen recognition give it a very different interface and gives 
you a peek into what sighted users see.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷

Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Alan made me think of another point to make.

Since my Arboleaf app now works 

RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Richard Turner]

Yes, I do have Image description turned on.  If I have to turn that off to test 
Screen Recognition on an app that I know doesn’t need it, I won’t bother.  I 
was only checking that because Charles thought it was a good example for folks 
who have not used Screen Recognition.

Thanks,

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 8:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

If you hear something like " Image, a white letter on a gray background" that 
could also mean you have "Describe Images" turned on which is different from 
screen recognition.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 8:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Well, on my 13 pro, using BARDMobile with Screen Recognition is awful.

In places it says Image, a white letter on a gray background … or something 
equally useless.

If that is what a sighted person sees, I am glad they don’t have to use 
BARDMobile.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Screen recognition was also useful when the new SiriusXM app was released. It 
gave access to the mini-player which wasn’t seen by VoiceOver at all. If you 
want to see what it looks like, and how it might be useful, turn it on while 
using the BARD Mobile App, if you have it. It isn’t necessary to use the BARD 
Mobile App but screen recognition give it a very different interface and gives 
you a peek into what sighted users see.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷

Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Alan made me think of another point to make.

Since my Arboleaf app now works so well, in the VoiceOver Recognition settings, 
under Screen Recognition, there is a place to select apps for which you want 
screen recognition to turn on automatically when you open that app.

I added Arboleaf to that list, so this morning, when I launched Arboleaf, 
screen recognition turned on automatically.  When I exited the app, screen 
recognition turned off.

A very nice feature.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Just to echo Richard's point, screen recognition should definitely be in your 
rotor because apps are being updated continuously and in my experience, 
developers are using more graphical objects in their apps. If you're noticing 
an app that used to work and now VoiceOver doesn't seem to be speaking much of 
anything, try using the rotor to turn on screen recognition for that app to see 
if you get different results. I seldom leave it turned on for an app when doing 
this but I expect you'll develop a routine that works best for you. 

 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jun 16, 2024, at 10:14 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



I have a scale that I weigh myself on that is Wi-Fi made by Arboleaf.  Their 
app became very difficult to use 

RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Christopher Chaltain]

It wasn’t  Charles but Christopher, and that’s me, that was spewing nonsense. 
Someone asked how screen recognition would help, and I suggested they turn it 
on while in the BARD Mobile App to see how it would work there. I did point out 
that the BARD Mobile App was accessible so screen recognition wouldn’t be 
needed. Sorry for the confusion. I’ll be smarter next time before tossing such 
a nonsensical idea out into the ether! 

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 9:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Yes I know that.
But Charles was recommending to folks they turn on Screen Recognition in BARD 
to see how a sighted person sees the screen, which in my test, is nonsense at 
best.
So, I was responding to Charles.  No one should ever touch screen recognition 
unless they cannot access an app normally.




Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 7:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Richard,

I suspect since BARD Mobile is already accessible with VoiceOver in its native 
form, those results you're getting are the very reason we recommend that screen 
recognition not be left on unless one is positive that it benefits the app in 
question. You can get very unreliable results with screen recognition turned on 
in an app not needing it.

Alan
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 16, 2024, at 11:19 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Well, on my 13 pro, using BARDMobile with Screen Recognition is awful.
In places it says Image, a white letter on a gray background … or something 
equally useless.
If that is what a sighted person sees, I am glad they don’t have to use 
BARDMobile.



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Screen recognition was also useful when the new SiriusXM app was released. It 
gave access to the mini-player which wasn’t seen by VoiceOver at all. If you 
want to see what it looks like, and how it might be useful, turn it on while 
using the BARD Mobile App, if you have it. It isn’t necessary to use the BARD 
Mobile App but screen recognition give it a very different interface and gives 
you a peek into what sighted users see.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Alan made me think of another point to make.
Since my Arboleaf app now works so well, in the VoiceOver Recognition settings, 
under Screen Recognition, there is a place to select apps for which you want 
screen recognition to turn on automatically when you open that app.
I added Arboleaf to that list, so this morning, when I launched Arboleaf, 
screen recognition turned on automatically.  When I exited the app, screen 
recognition turned off.
A very nice feature.



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Just to echo Richard's point, screen recognition should definitely be in your 
rotor 

RE: Screen recognition

[Richard Turner]

Did you try going into VoiceOver Settings, VoiceOver Recognition and turning 
Screen Recognition on there.

Make sure it is saying selected in the rotor items section on Screen 
Recognition.

Then, going into an app and check the rotor?

 

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Penny 
Reeder
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 8:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recognition

 

The same thing happened to me.

Penny

 

On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 11:46 AM Kay Malmquist mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi, As long as we are on the subject, I put screen recognition on the rotor, or 
at least I thought I had.  I went in to rotor and selected it but it does not 
appear in the rotor.  No matter where I am in the phone.  I can be on a web 
site and it is still not in the rotor.  Any ideas why?  Thanks much.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com  

 

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Recommended smart plugs

[Traci Duncan]

Hello, what are some of your favorite smart plugs? Whether it works well with 
iOS, or smart speakers.

Thank you,
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Re: Screen recognition

[Penny Reeder]

The same thing happened to me.
Penny

On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 11:46 AM Kay Malmquist 
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> Hi, As long as we are on the subject, I put screen recognition on the
> rotor, or at least I thought I had.  I went in to rotor and selected it but
> it does not appear in the rotor.  No matter where I am in the phone.  I can
> be on a web site and it is still not in the rotor.  Any ideas why?  Thanks
> much.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
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Screen recognition

[Kay Malmquist]

Hi, As long as we are on the subject, I put screen recognition on the rotor, 
or at least I thought I had.  I went in to rotor and selected it but it does 
not appear in the rotor.  No matter where I am in the phone.  I can be on a 
web site and it is still not in the rotor.  Any ideas why?  Thanks much.

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RE: A Quick Question about iOS Photos and a Follow-up

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I don't think these captions you enter are read automatically by Voiceover.

From: VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 11:38 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: A Quick Question about iOS Photos and a Follow-up

Hello Everyone,

I hope your summer is off to a good start, although, now that I think about it, 
summer doesn’t officially begin until later this month (smile).

After all these years, I finally decided to start using iCloud Photos.  Until 
now, I have been keeping my photos on my beloved Windows PC but, as I take more 
and more photos, the iCloud photos option began looking more attractive.

On my iPhone 14, I open a photo in the photos app.  In the details area, I 
enter a caption, such as, “Mark’s Crystal Ball.”

My quick question:  Isn’t Voice Over supposed to read the caption of that photo 
when I land on it as I browse through my photos in any given view?  If so, 
please tell me what Voice Over configuration I should use.

As to the follow-up:
I received my new walking pad.  I absolutely love, love, love it and think it 
will be a perfect device for anyone who is blind or low vision because (1) it 
has tactile button controls, (2) it has easily retractable handrails, and (3) 
it comes completely already assembled, out of the box.  But I want to wait a 
few days, just to put it through it paces before posting about it, on-list.

Okay, I think that’s about it for now.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark

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RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you hear something like " Image, a white letter on a gray background" that 
could also mean you have "Describe Images" turned on which is different from 
screen recognition.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 8:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Well, on my 13 pro, using BARDMobile with Screen Recognition is awful.
In places it says Image, a white letter on a gray background … or something 
equally useless.
If that is what a sighted person sees, I am glad they don’t have to use 
BARDMobile.



Richard, USA
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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Screen recognition was also useful when the new SiriusXM app was released. It 
gave access to the mini-player which wasn’t seen by VoiceOver at all. If you 
want to see what it looks like, and how it might be useful, turn it on while 
using the BARD Mobile App, if you have it. It isn’t necessary to use the BARD 
Mobile App but screen recognition give it a very different interface and gives 
you a peek into what sighted users see.

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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Alan made me think of another point to make.
Since my Arboleaf app now works so well, in the VoiceOver Recognition settings, 
under Screen Recognition, there is a place to select apps for which you want 
screen recognition to turn on automatically when you open that app.
I added Arboleaf to that list, so this morning, when I launched Arboleaf, 
screen recognition turned on automatically.  When I exited the app, screen 
recognition turned off.
A very nice feature.



Richard, USA
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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Just to echo Richard's point, screen recognition should definitely be in your 
rotor because apps are being updated continuously and in my experience, 
developers are using more graphical objects in their apps. If you're noticing 
an app that used to work and now VoiceOver doesn't seem to be speaking much of 
anything, try using the rotor to turn on screen recognition for that app to see 
if you get different results. I seldom leave it turned on for an app when doing 
this but I expect you'll develop a routine that works best for you.

Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 16, 2024, at 10:14 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:

I have a scale that I weigh myself on that is Wi-Fi made by Arboleaf.  Their 
app became very difficult to use after a recent update.
I decided to try Screen Recognition in their app; which has the same name, 
Arboleaf.
It works perfectly with screen recognition, in fact, it reads much better.  The 
information it gathers like your BMI reads on one line now instead of having to 
flick to the next line, etc.

In many cases, turning it on makes an app next to useless, but when it works, 
it works great.
This is why one should put it in their rotor and try it on apps that are not 
reading well but leave it off for most apps.

HTH,


Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Tom 
Rash
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 4:47 AM
To: viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

I keep hearing that 

RE: Volume Buttons And Ring Mode

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Correct, it used to say Mute on and Mute off, now it says "Ring Mode" when mute 
is off and "Silent Mode" when mute is on.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 6:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Volume Buttons And Ring Mode

I have the 13 Pro and with iOS 17 dot something it changed what is spoken when 
you mute or unmute the phone with the switch.
Since the 15 replaced the switch with a button, are you sure you are not 
pressing the top most button?
Or, is nothing playing when you press a volume control so it is telling you the 
current state?
Just guessing since I have not touched the 15.


Richard, USA
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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/





On Jun 15, 2024, at 6:10 PM, Edward Przybylek  wrote:

Hi all,

Over the last few days, my iPhone 15 Pro running the latest release of iOS has 
begun saying “ring mode” when I press either one of the volume buttons.  I have 
no idea what ccaused this problem nor do I know how to correct it.  As always, 
any help with this issue is greatly appreciated.

Take care,
Ed Przybylek

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RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Richard Turner]

Yes I know that.

But Charles was recommending to folks they turn on Screen Recognition in BARD 
to see how a sighted person sees the screen, which in my test, is nonsense at 
best.

So, I was responding to Charles.  No one should ever touch screen recognition 
unless they cannot access an app normally.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 7:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Richard, 

 

I suspect since BARD Mobile is already accessible with VoiceOver in its native 
form, those results you're getting are the very reason we recommend that screen 
recognition not be left on unless one is positive that it benefits the app in 
question. You can get very unreliable results with screen recognition turned on 
in an app not needing it. 

 

Alan 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jun 16, 2024, at 11:19 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



Well, on my 13 pro, using BARDMobile with Screen Recognition is awful.

In places it says Image, a white letter on a gray background … or something 
equally useless.

If that is what a sighted person sees, I am glad they don’t have to use 
BARDMobile.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Screen recognition was also useful when the new SiriusXM app was released. It 
gave access to the mini-player which wasn’t seen by VoiceOver at all. If you 
want to see what it looks like, and how it might be useful, turn it on while 
using the BARD Mobile App, if you have it. It isn’t necessary to use the BARD 
Mobile App but screen recognition give it a very different interface and gives 
you a peek into what sighted users see.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷

Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Alan made me think of another point to make.

Since my Arboleaf app now works so well, in the VoiceOver Recognition settings, 
under Screen Recognition, there is a place to select apps for which you want 
screen recognition to turn on automatically when you open that app.

I added Arboleaf to that list, so this morning, when I launched Arboleaf, 
screen recognition turned on automatically.  When I exited the app, screen 
recognition turned off.

A very nice feature.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Just to echo Richard's point, screen recognition should definitely be in your 
rotor because apps are being updated continuously and in my experience, 
developers are using more graphical objects in their apps. If you're noticing 
an app that used to work and now VoiceOver doesn't seem to be speaking much of 
anything, try using the rotor to turn on screen recognition for that app to see 
if you get different results. I seldom leave it turned on for an app when doing 
this but I expect you'll develop a routine that works best for you. 

 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jun 16, 2024, at 10:14 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



I have a scale that I weigh myself on that is Wi-Fi made by Arboleaf.  

Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Alan Lemly]

Richard, I suspect since BARD Mobile is already accessible with VoiceOver in its native form, those results you're getting are the very reason we recommend that screen recognition not be left on unless one is positive that it benefits the app in question. You can get very unreliable results with screen recognition turned on in an app not needing it. Alan Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 16, 2024, at 11:19 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:Well, on my 13 pro, using BARDMobile with Screen Recognition is awful.In places it says Image, a white letter on a gray background … or something equally useless.If that is what a sighted person sees, I am glad they don’t have to use BARDMobile.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Christopher ChaltainSent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:41 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor Screen recognition was also useful when the new SiriusXM app was released. It gave access to the mini-player which wasn’t seen by VoiceOver at all. If you want to see what it looks like, and how it might be useful, turn it on while using the BARD Mobile App, if you have it. It isn’t necessary to use the BARD Mobile App but screen recognition give it a very different interface and gives you a peek into what sighted users see. --Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷Chaltain at Outlook, USA From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 9:28 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor Alan made me think of another point to make.Since my Arboleaf app now works so well, in the VoiceOver Recognition settings, under Screen Recognition, there is a place to select apps for which you want screen recognition to turn on automatically when you open that app.I added Arboleaf to that list, so this morning, when I launched Arboleaf, screen recognition turned on automatically.  When I exited the app, screen recognition turned off.A very nice feature.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan LemlySent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:24 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor Just to echo Richard's point, screen recognition should definitely be in your rotor because apps are being updated continuously and in my experience, developers are using more graphical objects in their apps. If you're noticing an app that used to work and now VoiceOver doesn't seem to be speaking much of anything, try using the rotor to turn on screen recognition for that app to see if you get different results. I seldom leave it turned on for an app when doing this but I expect you'll develop a routine that works best for you.  Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2024, at 10:14 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:I have a scale that I weigh myself on that is Wi-Fi made by Arboleaf.  Their app became very difficult to use after a recent update.I decided to try Screen Recognition in their app; which has the same name, Arboleaf.It works perfectly with screen recognition, in fact, it reads much better.  The information it gathers like your BMI reads on one line now instead of having to flick to the next line, etc. In many cases, turning it on makes an app next to useless, but when it works, it works great.This is why one should put it in their rotor and try it on apps that are not reading well but leave it off for most apps. HTH,  Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom RashSent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 4:47 AMTo: viphone Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor I keep hearing that screen recognition is good for some things.  Can someone give an example where it does some good?  I’d like to learn what it is supposed to do.   On Jun 15, 2024, at 8:31 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote: Hello, Screen recognition should be in your 

Re: Whatsapp question

[Ignacio Suarez]

Hi there. Inside a chat, go to the very top where it says image. Tap on it, and 
then go down to disappearing messages. Tap on it in set it to turn it off. That 
will turn off your disappearing messages. If you want to change the setting 
again, do the same thing. I hope this helps. Have a nice day. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2024, at 8:43 AM, marilyn  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> Previously in Whatsapp I would hear "voice message from xxx plus the number." 
> Now I am hearing the name and "new messages will disappear from this chat 7 
> days after they are sent except when they are kept." I did not change any 
> settings, so don't know why or how this new setting has been activated. I 
> want it to be that I don't hear that disappearing information and where I am 
> the one to delete the message or it will stay there. I have gone into 
> settings, storage and data, manage storage, but then don't find a heading to 
> change the setting to stop the disappearing.
> Please give me some step by step guidance here. Many thanks.
> Marilyn   
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RE: Whatsapp question

[marilyn]

Hello everyone, 
Previously in Whatsapp I would hear "voice message from xxx plus the number." 
Now I am hearing the name and "new messages will disappear from this chat 7 
days after they are sent except when they are kept." I did not change any 
settings, so don't know why or how this new setting has been activated. I want 
it to be that I don't hear that disappearing information and where I am the one 
to delete the message or it will stay there. I have gone into settings, storage 
and data, manage storage, but then don't find a heading to change the setting 
to stop the disappearing. 
Please give me some step by step guidance here. Many thanks. 
Marilyn   

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