RE: Using a touch screen on Android [was Re: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App]
Hi Chris, thank you so much for your help! I will join that list later though... Jimmy Vinh Nguyen (Nguyễn Thành Vinh) Primary email: nguyenthanhvin...@gmail.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/jimmy.vinh.nguyen94 Cell: (+84)/(0) 16 5551 5557; (+84)/(0) 929 176 557 (alternate) Yahoo MSGR.: nguyenthanhvinh1992 Skype: thanhvinh94 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:48 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Using a touch screen on Android [was Re: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App] I'd suggest taking this question to the blind phones mailing list, which you can subscribe to by dropping an email to blindphones-subscr...@mosenexplosion.com I'm not sure what version of Android is on the Galaxy Ace, but if it's running Android 4.0 or later then it already has a screen reader built in. You could still get Spiel or Mobile Accessibility from Google Play if you want to try another screen reader though. If the phone is running Android 2.3 then you could get Talk Back, as well as Spiel and Mobile Accessibility, from Google Play. Talk Back is the Google screen reader that was built into Android starting with version 4.0. On 11/09/12 14:11, Thanh Vinh wrote: Sorry for the small wrong mind in this topic. How can we use the touch screen on android such as galaxy Ace? Which program, is it easy to use and how to get that app? Can anybody help me off list about this problem? Thanks in high advance!!! Best regards! *Jimmy Vinh Nguyen (Nguyễn Thành Vinh)* *Primary email: nguyenthanhvin...@gmail.com mailto:nguyenthanhvin...@gmail.com* *Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/jimmy.vinh.nguyen94* *Cell: (+84)/(0) 16 5551 5557; (+84)/(0) 929 176 557 (alternate)* *Yahoo MSGR.: nguyenthanhvinh1992* *Skype: thanhvinh94* *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *erik burggraaf *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:15 PM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App Hi, I've used the youtube app on android for the basics and found it to work nicely. I've never tried uploading, only watching, but on android it does work. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards. Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2012-09-11, at 10:43 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Let’s hope many people from the list will write to Google and ask them to make the app fully Voiceover accessible. It’s too bad Apple doesn’t take it’s fantastic commitment for accessibility a step further and make Voiceover accessibility a condition for approving especially such commonly used apps. If Google can’t even design an app with accessibility in mind I am not very hopeful about the accessibility of Android. Of course even though Apple has done wonderful things the iCloud website is still largely inaccessible and at best can be used with great difficulties and in a limited way. Regards, Sieghard *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of*Maccessibility *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2012 6:51 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App Maccessibility has posted a new item, 'Google Releases Official YouTube App http://maccessibility.net/2012/09/11/google-releases-official-youtube-app/' With the presumed imminent release of iOS 6, Apple will be retiring the*YouTube* app which has been included on its iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch devices since their inceptions. As a result, Google Inc. has released an official app for its *YouTube* service http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/youtube/id544007664?mt=8. Unfortunately, Google’s offering, while somewhat usable for *VoiceOver* users, includes [...] You may view the latest post at http://maccessibility.net/2012/09/11/google-releases-official-youtube-app/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com
[Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App
Title: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App Maccessibility has posted a new item, 'Google Releases Official YouTube App' With the presumed imminent release of iOS 6, Apple will be retiring the YouTube app which has been included on its iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch devices since their inceptions. As a result, Google Inc. has released an official app for its YouTube service. Unfortunately, Googles offering, while somewhat usable for VoiceOver users, includes [...] You may view the latest post at http://maccessibility.net/2012/09/11/google-releases-official-youtube-app/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App
Let's hope many people from the list will write to Google and ask them to make the app fully Voiceover accessible. It's too bad Apple doesn't take it's fantastic commitment for accessibility a step further and make Voiceover accessibility a condition for approving especially such commonly used apps. If Google can't even design an app with accessibility in mind I am not very hopeful about the accessibility of Android. Of course even though Apple has done wonderful things the iCloud website is still largely inaccessible and at best can be used with great difficulties and in a limited way. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maccessibility Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 6:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App Maccessibility has posted a new item, 'Google Releases Official YouTube App http://maccessibility.net/2012/09/11/google-releases-official-youtube-app/ ' With the presumed imminent release of iOS 6, Apple will be retiring the YouTube app which has been included on its iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch devices since their inceptions. As a result, Google Inc. has released an official app for its http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/youtube/id544007664?mt=8 YouTube service. Unfortunately, Google's offering, while somewhat usable for VoiceOver users, includes [...] You may view the latest post at http://maccessibility.net/2012/09/11/google-releases-official-youtube-app/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App
Hi, I've used the youtube app on android for the basics and found it to work nicely. I've never tried uploading, only watching, but on android it does work. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards. Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2012-09-11, at 10:43 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Let’s hope many people from the list will write to Google and ask them to make the app fully Voiceover accessible. It’s too bad Apple doesn’t take it’s fantastic commitment for accessibility a step further and make Voiceover accessibility a condition for approving especially such commonly used apps. If Google can’t even design an app with accessibility in mind I am not very hopeful about the accessibility of Android. Of course even though Apple has done wonderful things the iCloud website is still largely inaccessible and at best can be used with great difficulties and in a limited way. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfMaccessibility Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 6:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App Maccessibility has posted a new item, 'Google Releases Official YouTube App' With the presumed imminent release of iOS 6, Apple will be retiring theYouTube app which has been included on its iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch devices since their inceptions. As a result, Google Inc. has released an official app for its YouTube service. Unfortunately, Google’s offering, while somewhat usable for VoiceOver users, includes [...] You may view the latest post at http://maccessibility.net/2012/09/11/google-releases-official-youtube-app/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App
I agree we should push for accessibility with this app, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions that the fact that this one app has some accessibility issues on a competitors platform has any indication at all on the accessibility of Android--Google's own platform. I would assume Google's priority would be to make it's own platform accessible and make sure their own apps work and are accessible on their own platform first. I think it's obvious Apple doesn't make iTunes accessibility on Windows a priority, but this doesn't take away from the accessibility of Apple products and especially Apple products running on Apple products. On 11/09/12 09:43, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Let’s hope many people from the list will write to Google and ask them to make the app fully Voiceover accessible. It’s too bad Apple doesn’t take it’s fantastic commitment for accessibility a step further and make Voiceover accessibility a condition for approving especially such commonly used apps. If Google can’t even design an app with accessibility in mind I am not very hopeful about the accessibility of Android. Of course even though Apple has done wonderful things the iCloud website is still largely inaccessible and at best can be used with great difficulties and in a limited way. Regards, Sieghard *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Maccessibility *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2012 6:51 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App Maccessibility has posted a new item, 'Google Releases Official YouTube App http://maccessibility.net/2012/09/11/google-releases-official-youtube-app/' With the presumed imminent release of iOS 6, Apple will be retiring the *YouTube* app which has been included on its iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch devices since their inceptions. As a result, Google Inc. has released an official app for its *YouTube* service http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/youtube/id544007664?mt=8. Unfortunately, Google’s offering, while somewhat usable for *VoiceOver* users, includes [...] You may view the latest post at http://maccessibility.net/2012/09/11/google-releases-official-youtube-app/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App
Hmm. From what I've been reading on AppleVis, it is accessible, but not in the conventional method. Which begs the question of what defines accessibility? is something not accessible if you cannot accessit using the standard functions of your screen reader? As I understand it, the Sign in process can work without disabling VoiceOver. Essentially, the app is divided in to columns, and the standard flicking left and right gesture does not work. However, if you touch the screen in the appropriate place, VoiceOver is able to give the info to you. But to get to the other column on the screen, you have to tap something on the right side of it, and then tap the left side to get back to that series of columns. I'll have to play around with this when I get the time, but as I understand it, this is how it can be done. Scott On 9/11/12, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I agree we should push for accessibility with this app, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions that the fact that this one app has some accessibility issues on a competitors platform has any indication at all on the accessibility of Android--Google's own platform. I would assume Google's priority would be to make it's own platform accessible and make sure their own apps work and are accessible on their own platform first. I think it's obvious Apple doesn't make iTunes accessibility on Windows a priority, but this doesn't take away from the accessibility of Apple products and especially Apple products running on Apple products. On 11/09/12 09:43, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Let’s hope many people from the list will write to Google and ask them to make the app fully Voiceover accessible. It’s too bad Apple doesn’t take it’s fantastic commitment for accessibility a step further and make Voiceover accessibility a condition for approving especially such commonly used apps. If Google can’t even design an app with accessibility in mind I am not very hopeful about the accessibility of Android. Of course even though Apple has done wonderful things the iCloud website is still largely inaccessible and at best can be used with great difficulties and in a limited way. Regards, Sieghard *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Maccessibility *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2012 6:51 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App Maccessibility has posted a new item, 'Google Releases Official YouTube App http://maccessibility.net/2012/09/11/google-releases-official-youtube-app/' With the presumed imminent release of iOS 6, Apple will be retiring the *YouTube* app which has been included on its iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch devices since their inceptions. As a result, Google Inc. has released an official app for its *YouTube* service http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/youtube/id544007664?mt=8. Unfortunately, Google’s offering, while somewhat usable for *VoiceOver* users, includes [...] You may view the latest post at http://maccessibility.net/2012/09/11/google-releases-official-youtube-app/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
[Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App
Title: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App Maccessibility has posted a new item, 'Google Releases Official YouTube App' With the presumed imminent release of iOS 6, Apple will be retiring the YouTube app which has been included on its iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch devices since their inceptions. As a result, Google Inc. has released an official app for its YouTube service. Unfortunately, Googles offering, while somewhat usable for VoiceOver users, includes [...] You may view the latest post at http://maccessibility.net/2012/09/11/google-releases-official-youtube-app/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App
Thanks fyi! Scott! Jimmy Vinh Nguyen (Nguyễn Thành Vinh) Primary email: nguyenthanhvin...@gmail.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/jimmy.vinh.nguyen94 Cell: (+84)/(0) 16 5551 5557; (+84)/(0) 929 176 557 (alternate) Yahoo MSGR.: nguyenthanhvinh1992 Skype: thanhvinh94 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Davert Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:22 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App Hmm. From what I've been reading on AppleVis, it is accessible, but not in the conventional method. Which begs the question of what defines accessibility? is something not accessible if you cannot accessit using the standard functions of your screen reader? As I understand it, the Sign in process can work without disabling VoiceOver. Essentially, the app is divided in to columns, and the standard flicking left and right gesture does not work. However, if you touch the screen in the appropriate place, VoiceOver is able to give the info to you. But to get to the other column on the screen, you have to tap something on the right side of it, and then tap the left side to get back to that series of columns. I'll have to play around with this when I get the time, but as I understand it, this is how it can be done. Scott On 9/11/12, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I agree we should push for accessibility with this app, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions that the fact that this one app has some accessibility issues on a competitors platform has any indication at all on the accessibility of Android--Google's own platform. I would assume Google's priority would be to make it's own platform accessible and make sure their own apps work and are accessible on their own platform first. I think it's obvious Apple doesn't make iTunes accessibility on Windows a priority, but this doesn't take away from the accessibility of Apple products and especially Apple products running on Apple products. On 11/09/12 09:43, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Let’s hope many people from the list will write to Google and ask them to make the app fully Voiceover accessible. It’s too bad Apple doesn’t take it’s fantastic commitment for accessibility a step further and make Voiceover accessibility a condition for approving especially such commonly used apps. If Google can’t even design an app with accessibility in mind I am not very hopeful about the accessibility of Android. Of course even though Apple has done wonderful things the iCloud website is still largely inaccessible and at best can be used with great difficulties and in a limited way. Regards, Sieghard *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Maccessibility *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2012 6:51 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App Maccessibility has posted a new item, 'Google Releases Official YouTube App http://maccessibility.net/2012/09/11/google-releases-official-youtube-app/' With the presumed imminent release of iOS 6, Apple will be retiring the *YouTube* app which has been included on its iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch devices since their inceptions. As a result, Google Inc. has released an official app for its *YouTube* service http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/youtube/id544007664?mt=8. Unfortunately, Google’s offering, while somewhat usable for *VoiceOver* users, includes [...] You may view the latest post at http://maccessibility.net/2012/09/11/google-releases-official-youtube-app/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options
Re: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App
hi listers, I didn't take a look to the new youtube app, but turning off and voiceover back on is maybe not nessecary. does the pass through voicecover command dwork? pass through I Mean double tap with one finger and hold. the guessure that follows must be normal finger command. just my thoughts. hth Mvg -Peter Durieux Op 11-sep.-2012 om 18:22 heeft Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: Hmm. From what I've been reading on AppleVis, it is accessible, but not in the conventional method. Which begs the question of what defines accessibility? is something not accessible if you cannot accessit using the standard functions of your screen reader? As I understand it, the Sign in process can work without disabling VoiceOver. Essentially, the app is divided in to columns, and the standard flicking left and right gesture does not work. However, if you touch the screen in the appropriate place, VoiceOver is able to give the info to you. But to get to the other column on the screen, you have to tap something on the right side of it, and then tap the left side to get back to that series of columns. I'll have to play around with this when I get the time, but as I understand it, this is how it can be done. Scott On 9/11/12, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I agree we should push for accessibility with this app, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions that the fact that this one app has some accessibility issues on a competitors platform has any indication at all on the accessibility of Android--Google's own platform. I would assume Google's priority would be to make it's own platform accessible and make sure their own apps work and are accessible on their own platform first. I think it's obvious Apple doesn't make iTunes accessibility on Windows a priority, but this doesn't take away from the accessibility of Apple products and especially Apple products running on Apple products. On 11/09/12 09:43, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Let’s hope many people from the list will write to Google and ask them to make the app fully Voiceover accessible. It’s too bad Apple doesn’t take it’s fantastic commitment for accessibility a step further and make Voiceover accessibility a condition for approving especially such commonly used apps. If Google can’t even design an app with accessibility in mind I am not very hopeful about the accessibility of Android. Of course even though Apple has done wonderful things the iCloud website is still largely inaccessible and at best can be used with great difficulties and in a limited way. Regards, Sieghard *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Maccessibility *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2012 6:51 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App Maccessibility has posted a new item, 'Google Releases Official YouTube App http://maccessibility.net/2012/09/11/google-releases-official-youtube-app/' With the presumed imminent release of iOS 6, Apple will be retiring the *YouTube* app which has been included on its iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch devices since their inceptions. As a result, Google Inc. has released an official app for its *YouTube* service http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/youtube/id544007664?mt=8. Unfortunately, Google’s offering, while somewhat usable for *VoiceOver* users, includes [...] You may view the latest post at http://maccessibility.net/2012/09/11/google-releases-official-youtube-app/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group
Using a touch screen on Android [was Re: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App]
I'd suggest taking this question to the blind phones mailing list, which you can subscribe to by dropping an email to blindphones-subscr...@mosenexplosion.com I'm not sure what version of Android is on the Galaxy Ace, but if it's running Android 4.0 or later then it already has a screen reader built in. You could still get Spiel or Mobile Accessibility from Google Play if you want to try another screen reader though. If the phone is running Android 2.3 then you could get Talk Back, as well as Spiel and Mobile Accessibility, from Google Play. Talk Back is the Google screen reader that was built into Android starting with version 4.0. On 11/09/12 14:11, Thanh Vinh wrote: Sorry for the small wrong mind in this topic. How can we use the touch screen on android such as galaxy Ace? Which program, is it easy to use and how to get that app? Can anybody help me off list about this problem? Thanks in high advance!!! Best regards! *Jimmy Vinh Nguyen (Nguyễn Thành Vinh)* *Primary email: nguyenthanhvin...@gmail.com mailto:nguyenthanhvin...@gmail.com* *Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/jimmy.vinh.nguyen94* *Cell: (+84)/(0) 16 5551 5557; (+84)/(0) 929 176 557 (alternate)* *Yahoo MSGR.: nguyenthanhvinh1992* *Skype: thanhvinh94* *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *erik burggraaf *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:15 PM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App Hi, I've used the youtube app on android for the basics and found it to work nicely. I've never tried uploading, only watching, but on android it does work. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards. Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2012-09-11, at 10:43 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Let’s hope many people from the list will write to Google and ask them to make the app fully Voiceover accessible. It’s too bad Apple doesn’t take it’s fantastic commitment for accessibility a step further and make Voiceover accessibility a condition for approving especially such commonly used apps. If Google can’t even design an app with accessibility in mind I am not very hopeful about the accessibility of Android. Of course even though Apple has done wonderful things the iCloud website is still largely inaccessible and at best can be used with great difficulties and in a limited way. Regards, Sieghard *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of*Maccessibility *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2012 6:51 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App Maccessibility has posted a new item, 'Google Releases Official YouTube App http://maccessibility.net/2012/09/11/google-releases-official-youtube-app/' With the presumed imminent release of iOS 6, Apple will be retiring the*YouTube* app which has been included on its iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch devices since their inceptions. As a result, Google Inc. has released an official app for its *YouTube* service http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/youtube/id544007664?mt=8. Unfortunately, Google’s offering, while somewhat usable for *VoiceOver* users, includes [...] You may view the latest post at http://maccessibility.net/2012/09/11/google-releases-official-youtube-app/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Accessible VS Usable -- Was Re: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App
I think this boils down to accessible verses usable. Some feel that if an app doesn't conform 100% to Voice Over standards then it's not accessible. Others feel that if they can use the app with minimal fuss, then it's accessible. Then comes that grey area of defining what is minimal fuss. For example, I would term the downcast app as both accessible and usable. Yet the Netflix app is just usable to me while not being very accessible. This is because I have to do things in a certain way in Netflix app to get what I want and sometimes that's not very convenient. The reason the things have to be done are due to their lack of accessibility features. Now an app like Google Places isn't either accessible or usable to me. This is because it shows unlabeled buttons in many areas and sometimes the labels work and sometimes they do not. This is how it was last year when I tried it out anyway. If things have changed I can revisit the app and see what's up with it. However when all I hear is button button button button for things I want to do, it doesn't sound like it's very usable or accessible to me. Lastly, an app like MotionX GPS Drive is considered accessible, but I don't find it very useful. Whether it's because of my mode of thinking or because I'm used to Navigon I don't know. I just can't get myself to like it. I gave it a fair try during the free trial of the voice guidance and found it to be clunky at best when trying to find a destination or to cancel a route or to do other things which I find easy with Navigon. The only thing it had going for it is that it loaded faster than Navigon. So, there's my usable cents on accessibility. -- Raul A. Gallegos The best time to make friends is before you need them. ~ Ether Barrymore Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/11/2012 12:22 PM, Scott Davert wrote: Hmm. From what I've been reading on AppleVis, it is accessible, but not in the conventional method. Which begs the question of what defines accessibility? is something not accessible if you cannot accessit using the standard functions of your screen reader? As I understand it, the Sign in process can work without disabling VoiceOver. Essentially, the app is divided in to columns, and the standard flicking left and right gesture does not work. However, if you touch the screen in the appropriate place, VoiceOver is able to give the info to you. But to get to the other column on the screen, you have to tap something on the right side of it, and then tap the left side to get back to that series of columns. I'll have to play around with this when I get the time, but as I understand it, this is how it can be done. Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: Accessible VS Usable -- Was Re: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App
I very much like the distinction between accessible and usable. I'm not sure I use the 2 correctly or in conformity with how most people use the terms. I'd like to learn to conform with general usage. Accessible, to me, means that VoiceOver is largely if not completely enabled on an app or in software. There may be varying degrees of accessibility, from none, to low, to moderate to high to complete. Usability, to me, means an app or software may be fully accessible, but usability can be low, due to a non-intuitive layout or tab sequencing or something else. Is my understanding of the terms accessible and usable above accurate in terms of common usage? If not, I'd appreciate clarification. Thanks. Keith -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Accessible VS Usable -- Was Re: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App I think this boils down to accessible verses usable. Some feel that if an app doesn't conform 100% to Voice Over standards then it's not accessible. Others feel that if they can use the app with minimal fuss, then it's accessible. Then comes that grey area of defining what is minimal fuss. For example, I would term the downcast app as both accessible and usable. Yet the Netflix app is just usable to me while not being very accessible. This is because I have to do things in a certain way in Netflix app to get what I want and sometimes that's not very convenient. The reason the things have to be done are due to their lack of accessibility features. Now an app like Google Places isn't either accessible or usable to me. This is because it shows unlabeled buttons in many areas and sometimes the labels work and sometimes they do not. This is how it was last year when I tried it out anyway. If things have changed I can revisit the app and see what's up with it. However when all I hear is button button button button for things I want to do, it doesn't sound like it's very usable or accessible to me. Lastly, an app like MotionX GPS Drive is considered accessible, but I don't find it very useful. Whether it's because of my mode of thinking or because I'm used to Navigon I don't know. I just can't get myself to like it. I gave it a fair try during the free trial of the voice guidance and found it to be clunky at best when trying to find a destination or to cancel a route or to do other things which I find easy with Navigon. The only thing it had going for it is that it loaded faster than Navigon. So, there's my usable cents on accessibility. -- Raul A. Gallegos The best time to make friends is before you need them. ~ Ether Barrymore Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/11/2012 12:22 PM, Scott Davert wrote: Hmm. From what I've been reading on AppleVis, it is accessible, but not in the conventional method. Which begs the question of what defines accessibility? is something not accessible if you cannot accessit using the standard functions of your screen reader? As I understand it, the Sign in process can work without disabling VoiceOver. Essentially, the app is divided in to columns, and the standard flicking left and right gesture does not work. However, if you touch the screen in the appropriate place, VoiceOver is able to give the info to you. But to get to the other column on the screen, you have to tap something on the right side of it, and then tap the left side to get back to that series of columns. I'll have to play around with this when I get the time, but as I understand it, this is how it can be done. Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Accessible VS Usable -- Was Re: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App
The app is great Sent from my iPhone On Sep 11, 2012, at 7:24 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: I think this boils down to accessible verses usable. Some feel that if an app doesn't conform 100% to Voice Over standards then it's not accessible. Others feel that if they can use the app with minimal fuss, then it's accessible. Then comes that grey area of defining what is minimal fuss. For example, I would term the downcast app as both accessible and usable. Yet the Netflix app is just usable to me while not being very accessible. This is because I have to do things in a certain way in Netflix app to get what I want and sometimes that's not very convenient. The reason the things have to be done are due to their lack of accessibility features. Now an app like Google Places isn't either accessible or usable to me. This is because it shows unlabeled buttons in many areas and sometimes the labels work and sometimes they do not. This is how it was last year when I tried it out anyway. If things have changed I can revisit the app and see what's up with it. However when all I hear is button button button button for things I want to do, it doesn't sound like it's very usable or accessible to me. Lastly, an app like MotionX GPS Drive is considered accessible, but I don't find it very useful. Whether it's because of my mode of thinking or because I'm used to Navigon I don't know. I just can't get myself to like it. I gave it a fair try during the free trial of the voice guidance and found it to be clunky at best when trying to find a destination or to cancel a route or to do other things which I find easy with Navigon. The only thing it had going for it is that it loaded faster than Navigon. So, there's my usable cents on accessibility. -- Raul A. Gallegos The best time to make friends is before you need them. ~ Ether Barrymore Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/11/2012 12:22 PM, Scott Davert wrote: Hmm. From what I've been reading on AppleVis, it is accessible, but not in the conventional method. Which begs the question of what defines accessibility? is something not accessible if you cannot accessit using the standard functions of your screen reader? As I understand it, the Sign in process can work without disabling VoiceOver. Essentially, the app is divided in to columns, and the standard flicking left and right gesture does not work. However, if you touch the screen in the appropriate place, VoiceOver is able to give the info to you. But to get to the other column on the screen, you have to tap something on the right side of it, and then tap the left side to get back to that series of columns. I'll have to play around with this when I get the time, but as I understand it, this is how it can be done. Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Accessible VS Usable -- Was Re: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App
I think you're terms are correct. I also tend to use the terms exactly the way Raul does as well. I think to summarize: accessible: conforms to accessibility standards usable: with familiarity, work arounds and so on, the applications can be used although it's not technically accessible usability: easy to use, due to accessibility, layout, intuitiveness and so on On 11/09/12 19:40, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. wrote: I very much like the distinction between accessible and usable. I'm not sure I use the 2 correctly or in conformity with how most people use the terms. I'd like to learn to conform with general usage. Accessible, to me, means that VoiceOver is largely if not completely enabled on an app or in software. There may be varying degrees of accessibility, from none, to low, to moderate to high to complete. Usability, to me, means an app or software may be fully accessible, but usability can be low, due to a non-intuitive layout or tab sequencing or something else. Is my understanding of the terms accessible and usable above accurate in terms of common usage? If not, I'd appreciate clarification. Thanks. Keith -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Accessible VS Usable -- Was Re: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App I think this boils down to accessible verses usable. Some feel that if an app doesn't conform 100% to Voice Over standards then it's not accessible. Others feel that if they can use the app with minimal fuss, then it's accessible. Then comes that grey area of defining what is minimal fuss. For example, I would term the downcast app as both accessible and usable. Yet the Netflix app is just usable to me while not being very accessible. This is because I have to do things in a certain way in Netflix app to get what I want and sometimes that's not very convenient. The reason the things have to be done are due to their lack of accessibility features. Now an app like Google Places isn't either accessible or usable to me. This is because it shows unlabeled buttons in many areas and sometimes the labels work and sometimes they do not. This is how it was last year when I tried it out anyway. If things have changed I can revisit the app and see what's up with it. However when all I hear is button button button button for things I want to do, it doesn't sound like it's very usable or accessible to me. Lastly, an app like MotionX GPS Drive is considered accessible, but I don't find it very useful. Whether it's because of my mode of thinking or because I'm used to Navigon I don't know. I just can't get myself to like it. I gave it a fair try during the free trial of the voice guidance and found it to be clunky at best when trying to find a destination or to cancel a route or to do other things which I find easy with Navigon. The only thing it had going for it is that it loaded faster than Navigon. So, there's my usable cents on accessibility. -- Raul A. Gallegos The best time to make friends is before you need them. ~ Ether Barrymore Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/11/2012 12:22 PM, Scott Davert wrote: Hmm. From what I've been reading on AppleVis, it is accessible, but not in the conventional method. Which begs the question of what defines accessibility? is something not accessible if you cannot accessit using the standard functions of your screen reader? As I understand it, the Sign in process can work without disabling VoiceOver. Essentially, the app is divided in to columns, and the standard flicking left and right gesture does not work. However, if you touch the screen in the appropriate place, VoiceOver is able to give the info to you. But to get to the other column on the screen, you have to tap something on the right side of it, and then tap the left side to get back to that series of columns. I'll have to play around with this when I get the time, but as I understand it, this is how it can be done. Scott -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
