Apple Releases iOS 15.6 and iPadOS 15.6, Bringing a Fix for a Braille Focus Issue in Mail

[Richard Turner]

Apple Releases iOS 15.6 and iPadOS 15.6, Bringing a Fix for a Braille Focus 
Issue in Mail
By AppleVis, 20 July, 2022


Apple has today released iOS 15.6 and iPadOS 15.6 to the public, both of which 
appear to focus on bug fixes and other under-the-hood improvements.

Amongst the fixes is the following for Braille users:

When editing an email in the Mail app using a braille display, after inserting 
a line break focus will no longer jump to the top of the screen.
Additionally, iOS 15.6 introduces a new Web Rotor Summary setting located in 
Settings > Accessibility > VoiceOver > Verbosity.

The options available are:

Speak
Braille
Do Nothing
These options control what additional information VoiceOver will speak when 
switching to some of the navigation methods available from the VoiceOver Rotor 
in Safari. For instance, the Headings and Links options will speak the number 
of each of these that are on the current webpage when this option is set to 
“Speak.” If set to “Do Nothing” this information will not be spoken by 
VoiceOver.

At the time of posting, we are unaware of any additional changes for blind and 
low vision users in these releases. However, as we always stress, we are a 
small team; and it is not possible for us to test all devices, configurations, 
or use cases. Thus, if you do observe any changes during your own use of iOS 
15.6 or iPadOS 15.6, please do let us know your findings in the comments.

Release Notes

iOS 15.6 includes enhancements, bug fixes and security updates.

TV app adds the option to restart a live sports game already in progress and 
pause, rewind, or fast-forward;
Fixes an issue where Settings may continue to display that device storage is 
full even if it is available;
Fixes an issue that may cause braille devices to slow down or stop responding 
when navigating text in Mail;
Fixes an issue in Safari where a tab may revert to a previous page.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

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Re: Focus issue

[Diane Giannetti]

Try turning screen recognition off. Maybe that’ll work better. I didn’t realize 
my screen recognition was on for my messages and it went crazy. I turned it off 
and  allh  was good.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Oct 10, 2021, at 9:10 AM, Marcos Rodrigues  
> wrote:
> 
> Good morning.
> 
> I seem to be having a focus issue on the new IOS 15 mainly when using screen 
> recognition.
> 
> Sometimes VO will say direct touch area and I have to turn VO off and on 
> again to be able to navegate again.
> 
> I was wondering if this is related to the new issue feature introduced on IOS 
> 15?
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Focus issue

[Marcos Rodrigues]

Good morning.

I seem to be having a focus issue on the new IOS 15 mainly when using screen 
recognition.

Sometimes VO will say direct touch area and I have to turn VO off and on again 
to be able to navegate again.

I was wondering if this is related to the new issue feature introduced on IOS 
15?

Regards.

Sent from my iPhone

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Focus issue: automated versus manual and locked screen?

[Gerardo Corripio]

focus is really becoming a game-changer! It allows me finally to use my IPhone 
as an all-in-one, but I’m having the following issue; am I doing something 
wrong, or is it a bug?
The issue involves that when I activate the focus manually (and yes I’ve got it 
set up to activate within the Locked screen as well) when I launch it manually 
from Control Center, when the screen locks, no problem; none (except Whatsapp 
and Messenger) come in as I’d like it to. However when it’s automated, and the 
screen locks, all sorts of notifications come in!
Does this happen to you guys too, so as to be some sort of a bug in 15.0 
release?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

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RE: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which plagued me

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I guess I at one time turned it on and like you, turned the setting to off.

I’ve still found an edit field or two where VO gets stuck, but nothing like 
before. Also, the text editing issues with dictation and the dictate bug also 
appear to be gone for me.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 12:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else 
which plagued me

 

Maybe it just sounds like it, but when you say toggled to off do you mean that 
it was off or that you now turned it off? For me at least this needs to be off 
and maybe that along with a complete reset of the phone and setting up as a new 
device also helped, but I have yet to find any place where Voiceover gets stuck 
or jumps around. I can now finally start to like iOS 14.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 8:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else 
which plagued me

 

Well, well, would you look at that. All the sudden. Everything or at least 
everything I’ve played with so far has become much more stable.

I have still encountered a situation or two where VO still gets stuck on an 
element (the Amazon seller app for example), but no where nearly as much as 
before with this keyboard setting toggled to off.

Thanks for the tip.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 5:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which 
plagued me

 

Hi,

 

So, finally I am again a happy camper although I probably did not even have to 
do the complete erase and reset on my iPhone 11 and then setting up as a new 
device which I just did a few days ago hoping it would help fix some of the 
issues I had.

Here is a bit of background:

I bought an iphone 8 64 Gb two years ago and this year I did not participate in 
the iOS 14 public beta throughout the summer because I really needed my phone 
to work and could not take chances with strange issues. I finally upgraded 
about a week or two after iOS 14 was released in september and promptly 
regretted it when I experienced the many focus issues people were talking about.

I then recently took advantage of a pretty good promotion my provider offered 
on the iPhone 11 which already had iOS 14 on it when I received it, but all the 
issues were the same.

 

For one thing the Today View was broken, then there was the mildly annoying 
issue in the App Store where you had to swipe right twice if you want to 
install updates (the first time it seemed like Voiceover said "Update", but 
then focus would immediately jump back to the app description). And finally I 
was unable to share anything any longer unless it was by text or iMessage to 
one of the contacts which show up in the list of recently contacted people in 
the share sheet. As soon as I selected to share by Mail, WhatsApp or Facebook 
the following screen where the selected app would open was completely 
inaccessible with Voiceover typically stuck on Cancel or something like that.

 

Finally I had an issue which most others did not seem to have and that had to 
do with something very annoying when typing on the on-screen keyboard in most 
edit fields. What would happen is this:

Assume for example I open a message conversation and double tap on the edit 
field to reply to somebdy who sent me a text or iMessage (it did not matter 
which it was).

 

As soon as I double tap on an iMessage conversation field Voiceover would say 
this:

Message, text field is editing, iMessage, character mode, insertion point at 
start

Now assume I want to start by typing "Hello", so I type the upper case H and I 
hear Voiceover say the following:

Message, text field is editing, H, character mode, insertion point at end

I now type the "e" of the word "Hello" and hear Voiceover say:

Message, text field is editing, He, character mode, insertion point at end

I type the first l of Hello and Voiceover says:

Message, text field is editing, Hel, character mode, insertion point at end. 
This continues with the second l and finally when I type the final o I hear:

Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end

Next I put in a space and it again repeats:

Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end

You can see the pattern, each time I typed a letter Voiceover repeated the 
entire message about "message, text field is editing, characte

RE: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which plagued me

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, I had them in 14.1 as well as in 14.2 public beta 4 which is what I tried 
after 14.1 brought no improvements for me. Of course I now know better and it 
was simply having this "Full keyboard access" turned on which caused me such 
problems.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Flor 
Lynch
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 10:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else 
which plagued me

Sieghard: Did you update to iOS14.1 before you turned off the ‘allow full 
keyboard access’ setting? If you diod, did you still have the VO focus uissues 
then? (They’re a lot less in 14.1 in my experience than they were in 14.01.)

From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 12:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which 
plagued me
Hi,

So, finally I am again a happy camper although I probably did not even have to 
do the complete erase and reset on my iPhone 11 and then setting up as a new 
device which I just did a few days ago hoping it would help fix some of the 
issues I had.
Here is a bit of background:
I bought an iphone 8 64 Gb two years ago and this year I did not participate in 
the iOS 14 public beta throughout the summer because I really needed my phone 
to work and could not take chances with strange issues. I finally upgraded 
about a week or two after iOS 14 was released in september and promptly 
regretted it when I experienced the many focus issues people were talking about.
I then recently took advantage of a pretty good promotion my provider offered 
on the iPhone 11 which already had iOS 14 on it when I received it, but all the 
issues were the same.

For one thing the Today View was broken, then there was the mildly annoying 
issue in the App Store where you had to swipe right twice if you want to 
install updates (the first time it seemed like Voiceover said "Update", but 
then focus would immediately jump back to the app description). And finally I 
was unable to share anything any longer unless it was by text or iMessage to 
one of the contacts which show up in the list of recently contacted people in 
the share sheet. As soon as I selected to share by Mail, WhatsApp or Facebook 
the following screen where the selected app would open was completely 
inaccessible with Voiceover typically stuck on Cancel or something like that.

Finally I had an issue which most others did not seem to have and that had to 
do with something very annoying when typing on the on-screen keyboard in most 
edit fields. What would happen is this:
Assume for example I open a message conversation and double tap on the edit 
field to reply to somebdy who sent me a text or iMessage (it did not matter 
which it was).

As soon as I double tap on an iMessage conversation field Voiceover would say 
this:
Message, text field is editing, iMessage, character mode, insertion point at 
start
Now assume I want to start by typing "Hello", so I type the upper case H and I 
hear Voiceover say the following:
Message, text field is editing, H, character mode, insertion point at end
I now type the "e" of the word "Hello" and hear Voiceover say:
Message, text field is editing, He, character mode, insertion point at end
I type the first l of Hello and Voiceover says:
Message, text field is editing, Hel, character mode, insertion point at end. 
This continues with the second l and finally when I type the final o I hear:
Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end
Next I put in a space and it again repeats:
Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end
You can see the pattern, each time I typed a letter Voiceover repeated the 
entire message about "message, text field is editing, character mode and 
insertion
point and in between it said everything I had so far typed.
This happened in most search fields and other edit fields, one place where it 
does not happen and Voiceover behaves as
it should is in the Mail app in the message body field.
Anybody who wants to hear what this sounded like ccan use one of the Dropbox 
links below, the first just plays the screen recording I made, the second 
allows you to first download it:

Screen recording to play from 
Dropbox<https://outdooressentials-my.sharepoint.com/personal/info_bvoutdoors_com/Documents/OE%20Internal/End%20of%20Day/Cash%20-%20Register%201.xlsx?web=1>

Screen recording for downloading from 
Dropbox<https://outdooressentials-my.sharepoint.com/personal/info_bvoutdoors_com/Documents/OE%20Internal/End%20of%20Day/Cash%20-%20Register%201.xlsx?web=1>

And here the solution. I had posted this to jonathan Mosen's beta tester list 
and a wonderful gentleman, Matt McCubbin, wrote the following:

I think you may have the Full Keyboard Access 
(S

RE: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which plagued me

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Maybe it just sounds like it, but when you say toggled to off do you mean that 
it was off or that you now turned it off? For me at least this needs to be off 
and maybe that along with a complete reset of the phone and setting up as a new 
device also helped, but I have yet to find any place where Voiceover gets stuck 
or jumps around. I can now finally start to like iOS 14.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 8:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else 
which plagued me

Well, well, would you look at that. All the sudden. Everything or at least 
everything I’ve played with so far has become much more stable.
I have still encountered a situation or two where VO still gets stuck on an 
element (the Amazon seller app for example), but no where nearly as much as 
before with this keyboard setting toggled to off.
Thanks for the tip.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 5:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which 
plagued me

Hi,

So, finally I am again a happy camper although I probably did not even have to 
do the complete erase and reset on my iPhone 11 and then setting up as a new 
device which I just did a few days ago hoping it would help fix some of the 
issues I had.
Here is a bit of background:
I bought an iphone 8 64 Gb two years ago and this year I did not participate in 
the iOS 14 public beta throughout the summer because I really needed my phone 
to work and could not take chances with strange issues. I finally upgraded 
about a week or two after iOS 14 was released in september and promptly 
regretted it when I experienced the many focus issues people were talking about.
I then recently took advantage of a pretty good promotion my provider offered 
on the iPhone 11 which already had iOS 14 on it when I received it, but all the 
issues were the same.

For one thing the Today View was broken, then there was the mildly annoying 
issue in the App Store where you had to swipe right twice if you want to 
install updates (the first time it seemed like Voiceover said "Update", but 
then focus would immediately jump back to the app description). And finally I 
was unable to share anything any longer unless it was by text or iMessage to 
one of the contacts which show up in the list of recently contacted people in 
the share sheet. As soon as I selected to share by Mail, WhatsApp or Facebook 
the following screen where the selected app would open was completely 
inaccessible with Voiceover typically stuck on Cancel or something like that.

Finally I had an issue which most others did not seem to have and that had to 
do with something very annoying when typing on the on-screen keyboard in most 
edit fields. What would happen is this:
Assume for example I open a message conversation and double tap on the edit 
field to reply to somebdy who sent me a text or iMessage (it did not matter 
which it was).

As soon as I double tap on an iMessage conversation field Voiceover would say 
this:
Message, text field is editing, iMessage, character mode, insertion point at 
start
Now assume I want to start by typing "Hello", so I type the upper case H and I 
hear Voiceover say the following:
Message, text field is editing, H, character mode, insertion point at end
I now type the "e" of the word "Hello" and hear Voiceover say:
Message, text field is editing, He, character mode, insertion point at end
I type the first l of Hello and Voiceover says:
Message, text field is editing, Hel, character mode, insertion point at end. 
This continues with the second l and finally when I type the final o I hear:
Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end
Next I put in a space and it again repeats:
Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end
You can see the pattern, each time I typed a letter Voiceover repeated the 
entire message about "message, text field is editing, character mode and 
insertion
point and in between it said everything I had so far typed.
This happened in most search fields and other edit fields, one place where it 
does not happen and Voiceover behaves as
it should is in the Mail app in the message body field.
Anybody who wants to hear what this sounded like ccan use one of the Dropbox 
links below, the first just plays the screen recording I made, the second 
allows you to first download it:

Screen recording to play from 
Dropbox<https://outdooressentials-my.sharepoint.com/personal/info_bvoutdoors_com/Documents/OE%20Internal/End%20of%20Day/Cash%20-%20Register%201.xlsx?web=1>

Screen recording for downloading from 
Dropbox<https://outdooressentials-my.sharepoint.com/personal/info_bvoutdoors_com/Documents/OE%20Internal/End%20of%20Day/Cash

RE: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which plagued me

[Cristobal Muñoz]

Well, well, would you look at that. All the sudden. Everything or at least 
everything I’ve played with so far has become much more stable.

I have still encountered a situation or two where VO still gets stuck on an 
element (the Amazon seller app for example), but no where nearly as much as 
before with this keyboard setting toggled to off.

Thanks for the tip.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 5:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which 
plagued me

 

Hi,

 

So, finally I am again a happy camper although I probably did not even have to 
do the complete erase and reset on my iPhone 11 and then setting up as a new 
device which I just did a few days ago hoping it would help fix some of the 
issues I had.

Here is a bit of background:

I bought an iphone 8 64 Gb two years ago and this year I did not participate in 
the iOS 14 public beta throughout the summer because I really needed my phone 
to work and could not take chances with strange issues. I finally upgraded 
about a week or two after iOS 14 was released in september and promptly 
regretted it when I experienced the many focus issues people were talking about.

I then recently took advantage of a pretty good promotion my provider offered 
on the iPhone 11 which already had iOS 14 on it when I received it, but all the 
issues were the same.

 

For one thing the Today View was broken, then there was the mildly annoying 
issue in the App Store where you had to swipe right twice if you want to 
install updates (the first time it seemed like Voiceover said "Update", but 
then focus would immediately jump back to the app description). And finally I 
was unable to share anything any longer unless it was by text or iMessage to 
one of the contacts which show up in the list of recently contacted people in 
the share sheet. As soon as I selected to share by Mail, WhatsApp or Facebook 
the following screen where the selected app would open was completely 
inaccessible with Voiceover typically stuck on Cancel or something like that.

 

Finally I had an issue which most others did not seem to have and that had to 
do with something very annoying when typing on the on-screen keyboard in most 
edit fields. What would happen is this:

Assume for example I open a message conversation and double tap on the edit 
field to reply to somebdy who sent me a text or iMessage (it did not matter 
which it was).

 

As soon as I double tap on an iMessage conversation field Voiceover would say 
this:

Message, text field is editing, iMessage, character mode, insertion point at 
start

Now assume I want to start by typing "Hello", so I type the upper case H and I 
hear Voiceover say the following:

Message, text field is editing, H, character mode, insertion point at end

I now type the "e" of the word "Hello" and hear Voiceover say:

Message, text field is editing, He, character mode, insertion point at end

I type the first l of Hello and Voiceover says:

Message, text field is editing, Hel, character mode, insertion point at end. 
This continues with the second l and finally when I type the final o I hear:

Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end

Next I put in a space and it again repeats:

Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end

You can see the pattern, each time I typed a letter Voiceover repeated the 
entire message about "message, text field is editing, character mode and 
insertion

point and in between it said everything I had so far typed.

This happened in most search fields and other edit fields, one place where it 
does not happen and Voiceover behaves as

it should is in the Mail app in the message body field.

Anybody who wants to hear what this sounded like ccan use one of the Dropbox 
links below, the first just plays the screen recording I made, the second 
allows you to first download it:

 

 
<https://outdooressentials-my.sharepoint.com/personal/info_bvoutdoors_com/Documents/OE%20Internal/End%20of%20Day/Cash%20-%20Register%201.xlsx?web=1>
 Screen recording to play from Dropbox

 

 
<https://outdooressentials-my.sharepoint.com/personal/info_bvoutdoors_com/Documents/OE%20Internal/End%20of%20Day/Cash%20-%20Register%201.xlsx?web=1>
 Screen recording for downloading from Dropbox

 

And here the solution. I had posted this to jonathan Mosen's beta tester list 
and a wonderful gentleman, Matt McCubbin, wrote the following:

 

I think you may have the Full Keyboard Access 
(Settings/Accessibility/Keyboards/Full Keyboard Access), setting enabled on 
your phone. This feature causes

focus issues and other conflicts with VoiceOver. I’m able to replicate your 
iMessage issue on my end when I have the setting enabled, and I’ve also spent

time troubleshooting the focus issues that result from

RE: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which plagued me

[Christopher Chaltain]

I’ve been having these focus issues, so I checked the value of this setting, 
and in my case, I had it set to off. I went ahead and toggled it on, and it 
looks like it resolved my focus issues. I still need to spend more time with 
it, but it looks like there’s something more going on then just this setting 
conflicting with WoiceOver.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 7:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which 
plagued me

 

Hi,

 

So, finally I am again a happy camper although I probably did not even have to 
do the complete erase and reset on my iPhone 11 and then setting up as a new 
device which I just did a few days ago hoping it would help fix some of the 
issues I had.

Here is a bit of background:

I bought an iphone 8 64 Gb two years ago and this year I did not participate in 
the iOS 14 public beta throughout the summer because I really needed my phone 
to work and could not take chances with strange issues. I finally upgraded 
about a week or two after iOS 14 was released in september and promptly 
regretted it when I experienced the many focus issues people were talking about.

I then recently took advantage of a pretty good promotion my provider offered 
on the iPhone 11 which already had iOS 14 on it when I received it, but all the 
issues were the same.

 

For one thing the Today View was broken, then there was the mildly annoying 
issue in the App Store where you had to swipe right twice if you want to 
install updates (the first time it seemed like Voiceover said "Update", but 
then focus would immediately jump back to the app description). And finally I 
was unable to share anything any longer unless it was by text or iMessage to 
one of the contacts which show up in the list of recently contacted people in 
the share sheet. As soon as I selected to share by Mail, WhatsApp or Facebook 
the following screen where the selected app would open was completely 
inaccessible with Voiceover typically stuck on Cancel or something like that.

 

Finally I had an issue which most others did not seem to have and that had to 
do with something very annoying when typing on the on-screen keyboard in most 
edit fields. What would happen is this:

Assume for example I open a message conversation and double tap on the edit 
field to reply to somebdy who sent me a text or iMessage (it did not matter 
which it was).

 

As soon as I double tap on an iMessage conversation field Voiceover would say 
this:

Message, text field is editing, iMessage, character mode, insertion point at 
start

Now assume I want to start by typing "Hello", so I type the upper case H and I 
hear Voiceover say the following:

Message, text field is editing, H, character mode, insertion point at end

I now type the "e" of the word "Hello" and hear Voiceover say:

Message, text field is editing, He, character mode, insertion point at end

I type the first l of Hello and Voiceover says:

Message, text field is editing, Hel, character mode, insertion point at end. 
This continues with the second l and finally when I type the final o I hear:

Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end

Next I put in a space and it again repeats:

Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end

You can see the pattern, each time I typed a letter Voiceover repeated the 
entire message about "message, text field is editing, character mode and 
insertion

point and in between it said everything I had so far typed.

This happened in most search fields and other edit fields, one place where it 
does not happen and Voiceover behaves as

it should is in the Mail app in the message body field.

Anybody who wants to hear what this sounded like ccan use one of the Dropbox 
links below, the first just plays the screen recording I made, the second 
allows you to first download it:

 

 
<https://outdooressentials-my.sharepoint.com/personal/info_bvoutdoors_com/Documents/OE%20Internal/End%20of%20Day/Cash%20-%20Register%201.xlsx?web=1>
 Screen recording to play from Dropbox

 

 
<https://outdooressentials-my.sharepoint.com/personal/info_bvoutdoors_com/Documents/OE%20Internal/End%20of%20Day/Cash%20-%20Register%201.xlsx?web=1>
 Screen recording for downloading from Dropbox

 

And here the solution. I had posted this to jonathan Mosen's beta tester list 
and a wonderful gentleman, Matt McCubbin, wrote the following:

 

I think you may have the Full Keyboard Access 
(Settings/Accessibility/Keyboards/Full Keyboard Access), setting enabled on 
your phone. This feature causes

focus issues and other conflicts with VoiceOver. I’m able to replicate your 
iMessage issue on my end when I have the setting enabled, and I’ve also spent

time troubleshooting the focus issues that result from running both features 
concu

Re: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which plagued me

[Flor Lynch]

Sieghard: Did you update to iOS14.1 before you turned off the ‘allow full 
keyboard access’ setting? If you diod, did you still have the VO focus 
uissues then? (They’re a lot less in 14.1 in my experience than they were in 
14.01.)

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 12:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else 
which plagued me
Hi,



So, finally I am again a happy camper although I probably did not even have 
to do the complete erase and reset on my iPhone 11 and then setting up as a 
new device which I just did a few days ago hoping it would help fix some of 
the issues I had.

Here is a bit of background:

I bought an iphone 8 64 Gb two years ago and this year I did not participate 
in the iOS 14 public beta throughout the summer because I really needed my 
phone to work and could not take chances with strange issues. I finally 
upgraded about a week or two after iOS 14 was released in september and 
promptly regretted it when I experienced the many focus issues people were 
talking about.

I then recently took advantage of a pretty good promotion my provider 
offered on the iPhone 11 which already had iOS 14 on it when I received it, 
but all the issues were the same.



For one thing the Today View was broken, then there was the mildly annoying 
issue in the App Store where you had to swipe right twice if you want to 
install updates (the first time it seemed like Voiceover said "Update", but 
then focus would immediately jump back to the app description). And finally 
I was unable to share anything any longer unless it was by text or iMessage 
to one of the contacts which show up in the list of recently contacted 
people in the share sheet. As soon as I selected to share by Mail, WhatsApp 
or Facebook the following screen where the selected app would open was 
completely inaccessible with Voiceover typically stuck on Cancel or 
something like that.



Finally I had an issue which most others did not seem to have and that had 
to do with something very annoying when typing on the on-screen keyboard in 
most edit fields. What would happen is this:

Assume for example I open a message conversation and double tap on the edit 
field to reply to somebdy who sent me a text or iMessage (it did not matter 
which it was).



As soon as I double tap on an iMessage conversation field Voiceover would 
say this:

Message, text field is editing, iMessage, character mode, insertion point at 
start

Now assume I want to start by typing "Hello", so I type the upper case H and 
I hear Voiceover say the following:

Message, text field is editing, H, character mode, insertion point at end

I now type the "e" of the word "Hello" and hear Voiceover say:

Message, text field is editing, He, character mode, insertion point at end

I type the first l of Hello and Voiceover says:

Message, text field is editing, Hel, character mode, insertion point at end. 
This continues with the second l and finally when I type the final o I hear:

Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at 
end

Next I put in a space and it again repeats:

Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at 
end

You can see the pattern, each time I typed a letter Voiceover repeated the 
entire message about "message, text field is editing, character mode and 
insertion

point and in between it said everything I had so far typed.

This happened in most search fields and other edit fields, one place where 
it does not happen and Voiceover behaves as

it should is in the Mail app in the message body field.

Anybody who wants to hear what this sounded like ccan use one of the Dropbox 
links below, the first just plays the screen recording I made, the second 
allows you to first download it:



Screen recording to play from Dropbox



Screen recording for downloading from Dropbox



And here the solution. I had posted this to jonathan Mosen's beta tester 
list and a wonderful gentleman, Matt McCubbin, wrote the following:



I think you may have the Full Keyboard Access 
(Settings/Accessibility/Keyboards/Full Keyboard Access), setting enabled on 
your phone. This feature causes

focus issues and other conflicts with VoiceOver. I’m able to replicate your 
iMessage issue on my end when I have the setting enabled, and I’ve also 
spent

time troubleshooting the focus issues that result from running both features 
concurrently.



Hope this helps,



And did it ever help. I indeed had turned on this full keyboard access in 
accessibility settings since I came across it when I explored the settings 
after first downloading iOS 14 and it just seemed like it makes sense to 
turn it on if you use an external Bluetooth keyboard which I do from time to 
time. Who would think this one setting causes such havick. After I turned 
this off my text entry issue above just disappeared. I also d

Re: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which plagued me

[Shirley Baker]

n. I had posted this to jonathan Mosen's beta tester 
>> list and a wonderful gentleman, Matt McCubbin, wrote the following:
>>  
>> I think you may have the Full Keyboard Access 
>> (Settings/Accessibility/Keyboards/Full Keyboard Access), setting enabled on 
>> your phone. This feature causes
>> focus issues and other conflicts with VoiceOver. I’m able to replicate your 
>> iMessage issue on my end when I have the setting enabled, and I’ve also spent
>> time troubleshooting the focus issues that result from running both features 
>> concurrently.
>>  
>> Hope this helps,
>>  
>> And did it ever help. I indeed had turned on this full keyboard access in 
>> accessibility settings since I came across it when I explored the settings 
>> after first downloading iOS 14 and it just seemed like it makes sense to 
>> turn it on if you use an external Bluetooth keyboard which I do from time to 
>> time. Who would think this one setting causes such havick. After I turned 
>> this off my text entry issue above just disappeared. I also don't have to 
>> swipe twice any more in the App Store when I have updates. My Today View 
>> works fine, no more focus issue and the same applies when I use the share 
>> sheet to select an app such as Mail, WhatsApp or Messenger to share 
>> something. I should mention that just a few days ago I had upgraded to iOS 
>> 14 Public Beta 4 because somebody mentioned the focus issue was resolved or 
>> at least a lot less severe, but of course with full keyboard access turned 
>> on the problem was as bad as ever.
>>  
>> The conclusion to all of this is that I urge everybody to check if they may 
>> have turned on this setting, just go to Settings > Accessibility > Keyboard 
>> and see if it's on. If it is please go ahead and turn it off, I think you 
>> might be surprised by how the iOS 14 world may suddenly become better.
>>  
>> Best regards,
>> Sieghard
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Re: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which plagued me

[Richard Turner]

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And here the solution. I had posted this to jonathan Mosen's beta tester list 
and a wonderful gentleman, Matt McCubbin, wrote the following:

I think you may have the Full Keyboard Access 
(Settings/Accessibility/Keyboards/Full Keyboard Access), setting enabled on 
your phone. This feature causes
focus issues and other conflicts with VoiceOver. I’m able to replicate your 
iMessage issue on my end when I have the setting enabled, and I’ve also spent
time troubleshooting the focus issues that result from running both features 
concurrently.

Hope this helps,

And did it ever help. I indeed had turned on this full keyboard access in 
accessibility settings since I came across it when I explored the settings 
after first downloading iOS 14 and it just seemed like it makes sense to turn 
it on if you use an external Bluetooth keyboard which I do from time to time. 
Who would think this one setting causes such havick. After I turned this off my 
text entry issue above just disappeared. I also don't have to swipe twice any 
more in the App Store when I have updates. My Today View works fine, no more 
focus issue and the same applies when I use the share sheet to select an app 
such as Mail, WhatsApp or Messenger to share something. I should mention that 
just a few days ago I had upgraded to iOS 14 Public Beta 4 because somebody 
mentioned the focus issue was resolved or at least a lot less severe, but of 
course with full keyboard access turned on the problem was as bad as ever.

The conclusion to all of this is that I urge everybody to check if they may 
have turned on this setting, just go to Settings > Accessibility > Keyboard and 
see if it's on. If it is please go ahead and turn it off, I think you might be 
surprised by how the iOS 14 world may suddenly become better.

Best regards,
Sieghard


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The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which plagued me

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi,

So, finally I am again a happy camper although I probably did not even have to 
do the complete erase and reset on my iPhone 11 and then setting up as a new 
device which I just did a few days ago hoping it would help fix some of the 
issues I had.
Here is a bit of background:
I bought an iphone 8 64 Gb two years ago and this year I did not participate in 
the iOS 14 public beta throughout the summer because I really needed my phone 
to work and could not take chances with strange issues. I finally upgraded 
about a week or two after iOS 14 was released in september and promptly 
regretted it when I experienced the many focus issues people were talking about.
I then recently took advantage of a pretty good promotion my provider offered 
on the iPhone 11 which already had iOS 14 on it when I received it, but all the 
issues were the same.

For one thing the Today View was broken, then there was the mildly annoying 
issue in the App Store where you had to swipe right twice if you want to 
install updates (the first time it seemed like Voiceover said "Update", but 
then focus would immediately jump back to the app description). And finally I 
was unable to share anything any longer unless it was by text or iMessage to 
one of the contacts which show up in the list of recently contacted people in 
the share sheet. As soon as I selected to share by Mail, WhatsApp or Facebook 
the following screen where the selected app would open was completely 
inaccessible with Voiceover typically stuck on Cancel or something like that.

Finally I had an issue which most others did not seem to have and that had to 
do with something very annoying when typing on the on-screen keyboard in most 
edit fields. What would happen is this:
Assume for example I open a message conversation and double tap on the edit 
field to reply to somebdy who sent me a text or iMessage (it did not matter 
which it was).

As soon as I double tap on an iMessage conversation field Voiceover would say 
this:
Message, text field is editing, iMessage, character mode, insertion point at 
start
Now assume I want to start by typing "Hello", so I type the upper case H and I 
hear Voiceover say the following:
Message, text field is editing, H, character mode, insertion point at end
I now type the "e" of the word "Hello" and hear Voiceover say:
Message, text field is editing, He, character mode, insertion point at end
I type the first l of Hello and Voiceover says:
Message, text field is editing, Hel, character mode, insertion point at end. 
This continues with the second l and finally when I type the final o I hear:
Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end
Next I put in a space and it again repeats:
Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end
You can see the pattern, each time I typed a letter Voiceover repeated the 
entire message about "message, text field is editing, character mode and 
insertion
point and in between it said everything I had so far typed.
This happened in most search fields and other edit fields, one place where it 
does not happen and Voiceover behaves as
it should is in the Mail app in the message body field.
Anybody who wants to hear what this sounded like ccan use one of the Dropbox 
links below, the first just plays the screen recording I made, the second 
allows you to first download it:

Screen recording to play from 
Dropbox<https://outdooressentials-my.sharepoint.com/personal/info_bvoutdoors_com/Documents/OE%20Internal/End%20of%20Day/Cash%20-%20Register%201.xlsx?web=1>

Screen recording for downloading from 
Dropbox<https://outdooressentials-my.sharepoint.com/personal/info_bvoutdoors_com/Documents/OE%20Internal/End%20of%20Day/Cash%20-%20Register%201.xlsx?web=1>

And here the solution. I had posted this to jonathan Mosen's beta tester list 
and a wonderful gentleman, Matt McCubbin, wrote the following:

I think you may have the Full Keyboard Access 
(Settings/Accessibility/Keyboards/Full Keyboard Access), setting enabled on 
your phone. This feature causes
focus issues and other conflicts with VoiceOver. I'm able to replicate your 
iMessage issue on my end when I have the setting enabled, and I've also spent
time troubleshooting the focus issues that result from running both features 
concurrently.

Hope this helps,

And did it ever help. I indeed had turned on this full keyboard access in 
accessibility settings since I came across it when I explored the settings 
after first downloading iOS 14 and it just seemed like it makes sense to turn 
it on if you use an external Bluetooth keyboard which I do from time to time. 
Who would think this one setting causes such havick. After I turned this off my 
text entry issue above just disappeared. I also don't have to swipe twice any 
more in the App Store when I have updates. My Today View works fine, no more 
focus issue and the same applies when I use

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Davy,

In fact I think it is completely appropriate that if somebody thinks they have 
noticed a bug or behaviour which seems to not be what it should to ask on the 
list first. The fact is that in quite a few cases something which appears to be 
a bug may not be one, I have seen so many instances where you have reported a 
so-called "major bug" or "deal breaker" and nobody else could reproduce it. I 
am not saying that there can't be issues which affect just a very few number of 
people or devices, that does happen in iOS as well as with Windows 10 PC's, but 
I have equally often seen people report what they thought was a bug and in the 
end a reboot of their device cleared up the strange behaviour or maybe 
something was changed which made people think it was a bug where in fact it was 
what Apple intended. Reporting issues which are known bugs to Apple is 
absolutely a good thing and I have myself encouraged people to do this and to 
do so in large numbers and not to rely on 3 active users to do this, but there 
is such a thing as the middle ground and going crazy in either direction is not 
always good.

Take care,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
Cuppens
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 4:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

Dear Christopher and others

The only thing that frustrates me is the resigned lazyness of almost the whole 
blind community.
I've been dealing with Apple products now for 6 years and have had contact with 
many devs and people in the accessibility team and they all report the same. 
Very few reports are made by voiceover users about bugs or proposals to make 
things better.

Indeed it is good here on the list to report bugs, as long as you did so before 
with Apple and 90% of us won't do this.

I am on a social whatsapp citizens network to prevent our neighbourhood for 
burglary and there it is just the same, yes it is good to report suspicious 
things but please at first, do inform the police emergency number and really 
90% of the folks won't do that. That's the same for our bugs to report to 
Apple. First report to Apple then report us.

Davy



-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 1:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

Wow, I'm not sure where this is coming from. Talking about a bug on this list 
doesn't mean that people aren't doing anything. People can talk about an issue 
on this list and report it to Apple as well. I also can't remember the last 
time I saw someone complaining about a bug in IOS and threatening to go to 
Android, but it's very likely that I just missed such a post since it just 
doesn't bother me which device people are using and why they move from one to 
another. I hope a post like this doesn't discourage people from talking about 
bugs on this list. As important as it is to report bugs to Apple, it's also 
good for the community to talk about bugs and learn from each other how to work 
around such bugs while waiting for Apple to address these bugs. It's also 
perfectly OK for people to get frustrated with Apple when a bug is reported and 
yet still hangs around without being addressed release after release. As 
important as smart phones are to everyone these days, and given how much we pay 
for our iPhones, we have the right to ask for long standing bugs to be 
addressed. We're no different then our sighted peers in this respect.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Davy Cuppens
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 4:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app 
> lost focus issue?
>
> Sieghard you got the point indeed I am not gona send them A10s 
> fighters planes
> (grin) to bomb the company but I am simply reporting them every 
> remaining bug every 2 weeks if they like it or not but for all those 
> that are only moaning and complaining here, then do nothing and stay 
> with your bugs that you are all liking so much. And please stop 
> moaning and complaining about them simply live with it or go to 
> android. I'm so fed up with that extremely lefty and resigning 
> attitude of 90% of the vips on earth.
> Davy
>
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app 
> lost focus issue?
>
> I think Davy is simply saying in a slightly dramatic way that 
> everybody should write to Apple Accessibility about this and other 
> bugs.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From:

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Dave]

I for one, don't know the whole blind community. and not quite sure, where 
you get your percentages from?


Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Davy Cuppens

Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 12:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?


Dear Christopher and others

The only thing that frustrates me is the resigned lazyness of almost the
whole blind community.
I've been dealing with Apple products now for 6 years and have had contact
with many devs and people in the accessibility team and they all report the
same. Very few reports are made by voiceover users about bugs or proposals
to make things better.

Indeed it is good here on the list to report bugs, as long as you did so
before with Apple and 90% of us won't do this.

I am on a social whatsapp citizens network to prevent our neighbourhood for
burglary and there it is just the same, yes it is good to report suspicious
things but please at first, do inform the police emergency number and really
90% of the folks won't do that. That's the same for our bugs to report to
Apple. First report to Apple then report us.

Davy



-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: chalt...@gmail.com

Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 1:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost
focus issue?

Wow, I'm not sure where this is coming from. Talking about a bug on this
list doesn't mean that people aren't doing anything. People can talk about
an issue on this list and report it to Apple as well. I also can't remember
the last time I saw someone complaining about a bug in IOS and threatening
to go to Android, but it's very likely that I just missed such a post since
it just doesn't bother me which device people are using and why they move
from one to another. I hope a post like this doesn't discourage people from
talking about bugs on this list. As important as it is to report bugs to
Apple, it's also good for the community to talk about bugs and learn from
each other how to work around such bugs while waiting for Apple to address
these bugs. It's also perfectly OK for people to get frustrated with Apple
when a bug is reported and yet still hangs around without being addressed
release after release. As important as smart phones are to everyone these
days, and given how much we pay for our iPhones, we have the right to ask
for long standing bugs to be addressed. We're no different then our sighted
peers in this respect.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Davy Cuppens
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 4:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus

issue?

Sieghard you got the point indeed I am not gona send them A10s fighters 
planes
(grin) to bomb the company but I am simply reporting them every remaining 
bug
every 2 weeks if they like it or not but for all those that are only 
moaning and
complaining here, then do nothing and stay with your bugs that you are all 
liking
so much. And please stop moaning and complaining about them simply live 
with
it or go to android. I'm so fed up with that extremely lefty and resigning 
attitude

of 90% of the vips on earth.
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus

issue?

I think Davy is simply saying in a slightly dramatic way that everybody 
should

write to Apple Accessibility about this and other bugs.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of
Carolyn
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost
focus issue?

I'm with you though, Lynn.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Lynn White
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost
focus issue?

No.  Bombing any server is a rotten idea.  That is a very negative action
and is likely not to receive a positive reaction.

I hope that the moderator will not mind me saying this.  But whenever I 
hear
that someone wants to “bomb” a company, it sounds like spoiled brats 
wanting
their way using any means necessary.  Not casting personal attacks on 
anyone

whatsoever.

There are probably several useful methods that we can use to point out
problems witha service or app.  The one that comes to mind in this 
situation

is to send a detailed description of the problem to the Apple Accessible
team each time a new major update happens.

It would probably be quite helpful to thank the team for any improvements
that are made and point those improvements out.

I’m just thinking

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Davy Cuppens]

Dear Christopher and others

The only thing that frustrates me is the resigned lazyness of almost the 
whole blind community.
I've been dealing with Apple products now for 6 years and have had contact 
with many devs and people in the accessibility team and they all report the 
same. Very few reports are made by voiceover users about bugs or proposals 
to make things better.


Indeed it is good here on the list to report bugs, as long as you did so 
before with Apple and 90% of us won't do this.


I am on a social whatsapp citizens network to prevent our neighbourhood for 
burglary and there it is just the same, yes it is good to report suspicious 
things but please at first, do inform the police emergency number and really 
90% of the folks won't do that. That's the same for our bugs to report to 
Apple. First report to Apple then report us.


Davy



-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: chalt...@gmail.com

Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 1:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?


Wow, I'm not sure where this is coming from. Talking about a bug on this 
list doesn't mean that people aren't doing anything. People can talk about 
an issue on this list and report it to Apple as well. I also can't remember 
the last time I saw someone complaining about a bug in IOS and threatening 
to go to Android, but it's very likely that I just missed such a post since 
it just doesn't bother me which device people are using and why they move 
from one to another. I hope a post like this doesn't discourage people from 
talking about bugs on this list. As important as it is to report bugs to 
Apple, it's also good for the community to talk about bugs and learn from 
each other how to work around such bugs while waiting for Apple to address 
these bugs. It's also perfectly OK for people to get frustrated with Apple 
when a bug is reported and yet still hangs around without being addressed 
release after release. As important as smart phones are to everyone these 
days, and given how much we pay for our iPhones, we have the right to ask 
for long standing bugs to be addressed. We're no different then our sighted 
peers in this respect.


--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Davy Cuppens
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 4:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus

issue?

Sieghard you got the point indeed I am not gona send them A10s fighters 
planes
(grin) to bomb the company but I am simply reporting them every remaining 
bug
every 2 weeks if they like it or not but for all those that are only 
moaning and
complaining here, then do nothing and stay with your bugs that you are all 
liking
so much. And please stop moaning and complaining about them simply live 
with
it or go to android. I'm so fed up with that extremely lefty and resigning 
attitude

of 90% of the vips on earth.
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus

issue?

I think Davy is simply saying in a slightly dramatic way that everybody 
should

write to Apple Accessibility about this and other bugs.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of
Carolyn
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost
focus issue?

I'm with you though, Lynn.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Lynn White
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost
focus issue?

No.  Bombing any server is a rotten idea.  That is a very negative action
and is likely not to receive a positive reaction.

I hope that the moderator will not mind me saying this.  But whenever I 
hear
that someone wants to “bomb” a company, it sounds like spoiled brats 
wanting
their way using any means necessary.  Not casting personal attacks on 
anyone

whatsoever.

There are probably several useful methods that we can use to point out
problems witha service or app.  The one that comes to mind in this 
situation

is to send a detailed description of the problem to the Apple Accessible
team each time a new major update happens.

It would probably be quite helpful to thank the team for any improvements
that are made and point those improvements out.

I’m just thinking of how I would receive such a helpful message if I was 
on

such a team.

I hope that this is helpful and trust me, I am not at all downing people 
who

might disagree with me.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 22, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:




BOMB do bomb their servers every day

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[chaltain]

Wow, I'm not sure where this is coming from. Talking about a bug on this list 
doesn't mean that people aren't doing anything. People can talk about an issue 
on this list and report it to Apple as well. I also can't remember the last 
time I saw someone complaining about a bug in IOS and threatening to go to 
Android, but it's very likely that I just missed such a post since it just 
doesn't bother me which device people are using and why they move from one to 
another. I hope a post like this doesn't discourage people from talking about 
bugs on this list. As important as it is to report bugs to Apple, it's also 
good for the community to talk about bugs and learn from each other how to work 
around such bugs while waiting for Apple to address these bugs. It's also 
perfectly OK for people to get frustrated with Apple when a bug is reported and 
yet still hangs around without being addressed release after release. As 
important as smart phones are to everyone these days, and given how much we pay 
for our iPhones, we have the right to ask for long standing bugs to be 
addressed. We're no different then our sighted peers in this respect.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Davy Cuppens
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 4:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus
> issue?
> 
> Sieghard you got the point indeed I am not gona send them A10s fighters planes
> (grin) to bomb the company but I am simply reporting them every remaining bug
> every 2 weeks if they like it or not but for all those that are only moaning 
> and
> complaining here, then do nothing and stay with your bugs that you are all 
> liking
> so much. And please stop moaning and complaining about them simply live with
> it or go to android. I'm so fed up with that extremely lefty and resigning 
> attitude
> of 90% of the vips on earth.
> Davy
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus
> issue?
> 
> I think Davy is simply saying in a slightly dramatic way that everybody should
> write to Apple Accessibility about this and other bugs.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of
> Carolyn
> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:48 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost
> focus issue?
> 
> I'm with you though, Lynn.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Lynn White
> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost
> focus issue?
> 
> No.  Bombing any server is a rotten idea.  That is a very negative action
> and is likely not to receive a positive reaction.
> 
> I hope that the moderator will not mind me saying this.  But whenever I hear
> that someone wants to “bomb” a company, it sounds like spoiled brats wanting
> their way using any means necessary.  Not casting personal attacks on anyone
> whatsoever.
> 
> There are probably several useful methods that we can use to point out
> problems witha service or app.  The one that comes to mind in this situation
> is to send a detailed description of the problem to the Apple Accessible
> team each time a new major update happens.
> 
> It would probably be quite helpful to thank the team for any improvements
> that are made and point those improvements out.
> 
> I’m just thinking of how I would receive such a helpful message if I was on
> such a team.
> 
> I hope that this is helpful and trust me, I am not at all downing people who
> might disagree with me.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On May 22, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> BOMB do bomb their servers every day on and on and on!
> You are all saying of course we do, but maybe when 2000 read this just 2 or
> 3 will do so because I feel blinds are often so uncomplained resigned people
> others will do that in my place me I do not have the writing skills to do so
> and other bad reasons not to write to Apple.
> 
> So, now, this evening, everybody involved with this tramendous bug DO report
> it now and let’s say every week again and again!
> 
> Davy
> 
> From: Lynn White <mailto:lynnwhite...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Experience 

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Davy Cuppens]

Sieghard you got the point indeed I am not gona send them A10s fighters 
planes (grin) to bomb the company but I am simply reporting them every 
remaining bug every 2 weeks if they like it or not but for all those that 
are only moaning and complaining here, then do nothing and stay with your 
bugs that you are all liking so much. And please stop moaning and 
complaining about them simply live with it or go to android. I'm so fed up 
with that extremely lefty and resigning attitude of 90% of the vips on 
earth.

Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?


I think Davy is simply saying in a slightly dramatic way that everybody 
should write to Apple Accessibility about this and other bugs.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Carolyn

Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?


I'm with you though, Lynn.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Lynn White

Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?


No.  Bombing any server is a rotten idea.  That is a very negative action 
and is likely not to receive a positive reaction.


I hope that the moderator will not mind me saying this.  But whenever I hear 
that someone wants to “bomb” a company, it sounds like spoiled brats wanting 
their way using any means necessary.  Not casting personal attacks on anyone 
whatsoever.


There are probably several useful methods that we can use to point out 
problems witha service or app.  The one that comes to mind in this situation 
is to send a detailed description of the problem to the Apple Accessible 
team each time a new major update happens.


It would probably be quite helpful to thank the team for any improvements 
that are made and point those improvements out.


I’m just thinking of how I would receive such a helpful message if I was on 
such a team.


I hope that this is helpful and trust me, I am not at all downing people who 
might disagree with me.



Sent from my iPhone


On May 22, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:




BOMB do bomb their servers every day on and on and on!
You are all saying of course we do, but maybe when 2000 read this just 2 or 
3 will do so because I feel blinds are often so uncomplained resigned people 
others will do that in my place me I do not have the writing skills to do so 
and other bad reasons not to write to Apple.


So, now, this evening, everybody involved with this tramendous bug DO report 
it now and let’s say every week again and again!


Davy

From: Lynn White <mailto:lynnwhite...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?


Hi Allen,

This is so refreshing to hear.  I have a friend who, every time there is an 
update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of ways 
other than children of God.


I encourage him to either write to Accessibility and/or become a beta tester 
which he would be great at.  To this day, he has done neither.


And you’re right.  It will take beating that drum patiently and courteously 
until this issue is fixed.  It probably won’t be until maybe IOS 14 comes 
out.



Sent from my iPhone


On May 21, 2020, at 2:24 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
 wrote:





Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple.  I’ve sent them an 
e-mail.


Kim


On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:






Yes, anyone experiencing this should write accessibil...@apple.com 
<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>








Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, 
Oregon.






From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?




Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.




So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?




Thanks for any direction.



Kim









On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly <mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:




Hi List,



I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've 
reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review 
emails in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the 
message on which I'm located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I think Davy is simply saying in a slightly dramatic way that everybody should 
write to Apple Accessibility about this and other bugs.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

I'm with you though, Lynn. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lynn White
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

No.  Bombing any server is a rotten idea.  That is a very negative action and 
is likely not to receive a positive reaction.

I hope that the moderator will not mind me saying this.  But whenever I hear 
that someone wants to “bomb” a company, it sounds like spoiled brats wanting 
their way using any means necessary.  Not casting personal attacks on anyone 
whatsoever.

There are probably several useful methods that we can use to point out problems 
witha service or app.  The one that comes to mind in this situation is to send 
a detailed description of the problem to the Apple Accessible team each time a 
new major update happens.

It would probably be quite helpful to thank the team for any improvements that 
are made and point those improvements out.  

I’m just thinking of how I would receive such a helpful message if I was on 
such a team.

I hope that this is helpful and trust me, I am not at all downing people who 
might disagree with me.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 22, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:



 
BOMB do bomb their servers every day on and on and on!
You are all saying of course we do, but maybe when 2000 read this just 
2 or 3 will do so because I feel blinds are often so uncomplained resigned 
people others will do that in my place me I do not have the writing skills to 
do so and other bad reasons not to write to Apple.
 
So, now, this evening, everybody involved with this tramendous bug DO 
report it now and let’s say every week again and again!
 
Davy 
 
From: Lynn White <mailto:lynnwhite...@gmail.com>  
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app 
lost focus issue?
 
Hi Allen, 
 
This is so refreshing to hear.  I have a friend who, every time there 
is an update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of 
ways other than children of God.
 
I encourage him to either write to Accessibility and/or become a beta 
tester which he would be great at.  To this day, he has done neither.
 
And you’re right.  It will take beating that drum patiently and 
courteously until this issue is fixed.  It probably won’t be until maybe IOS 14 
comes out.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 21, 2020, at 2:24 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
 wrote:



 
Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple.  I’ve sent 
them an e-mail.
 
Kim


On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner 
 wrote:



 

Yes, anyone experiencing this should write 
accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> 

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a 
window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and 
native Mail app lost focus issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group 
about this but didn’t know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for 
that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  
Write to Apple accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 





On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly 
mailt

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Alan Lemly]

Christopher,

 

I'm also liking what I'm experiencing with the Outlook app. I'll know more 
tomorrow when I process my first batch of new Inbox messages on the iPhone 
using Outlook.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 9:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

I’m pretty happy with the Outlook app, but I’m still trying to get the hang od 
dealing with specific messages within a thread, but this is also the current 
issue with the native mail app, so I’m still using the Outlook app right now as 
my primary email app. I’m just not using my iPhone for email as much right now, 
since I’m not traveling and my PC is always so close. Because of this, I’m just 
not putting the Outlook app through it’s paces.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 10:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Christopher,

 

I'd be curious as to your take on the Outlook app versus the native Mail app. I 
didn't have much luck with the Outlook app when I first looked at it but that's 
been a number of years ago. I received one of those generic replies from Apple 
Accessibility about the native Mail lost focus issue so I can't say I was 
encouraged by it. I sort of expected a more on point reply to an issue I've 
reported at least three times and which has been around ever since iOS 13 came 
out.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 4:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

For me, after writing to Apple accessibility, I’m giving the Outlook app a 
spin. It seems to handle threads better but I haven’t decided if I like it 
better over all or not.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 

 

On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:



Hi List,

 

I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.

 

Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.

 

Thanks in advance for your comments.

 

Alan Lemly

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RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[chaltain]

I’m pretty happy with the Outlook app, but I’m still trying to get the hang od 
dealing with specific messages within a thread, but this is also the current 
issue with the native mail app, so I’m still using the Outlook app right now as 
my primary email app. I’m just not using my iPhone for email as much right now, 
since I’m not traveling and my PC is always so close. Because of this, I’m just 
not putting the Outlook app through it’s paces.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 10:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Christopher,

 

I'd be curious as to your take on the Outlook app versus the native Mail app. I 
didn't have much luck with the Outlook app when I first looked at it but that's 
been a number of years ago. I received one of those generic replies from Apple 
Accessibility about the native Mail lost focus issue so I can't say I was 
encouraged by it. I sort of expected a more on point reply to an issue I've 
reported at least three times and which has been around ever since iOS 13 came 
out.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com 
<mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 4:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

For me, after writing to Apple accessibility, I’m giving the Outlook app a 
spin. It seems to handle threads better but I haven’t decided if I like it 
better over all or not.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 

 

On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi List,

 

I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.

 

Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.

 

Thanks in advance for your comments.

 

Alan Lemly

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Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Alan,

Well, I’ve had no focus issues which is the reason I’m using Outlook at this 
point. I’d like to mail app but I really have grown very tired of the focus 
issues that have lasted for several months. I hope it works out for you when 
you try it.

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Alan 
Lemly 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 5:26:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?


Hi Les,



Thanks for the Outlook suggestion. I'm trying it now and it seems to be working 
very well. I just have to get used to its differing terminology. I like that 
the native Mail app references All mail when you want to see everything and 
Outlook uses Archive for its terminology the best I can tell. I'll know better 
how I like it when I try it first thing in the morning to review the messages 
in my Inbox to see how it handles focus.



Alan



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?



Hi Alan,



Well, I’ve been using Outlook for the past couple of weeks. I’ve given up on 
Apple fixing the mail issues and I’ve gone to Outlook instead. It does seem to 
be working much better. With the Mail app, I could go through messages OK but 
once I open the message and came out of it, then the problem started. Focus was 
totally lost. I’ve written Apple about it and I know others have as well, but 
it doesn’t seem like it’s going to be fixed this round. I sure hope when they 
come out with a new operating system which will be version 14, this issue will 
have been resolved



Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Alan 
Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:02:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?



Christopher,



I'd be curious as to your take on the Outlook app versus the native Mail app. I 
didn't have much luck with the Outlook app when I first looked at it but that's 
been a number of years ago. I received one of those generic replies from Apple 
Accessibility about the native Mail lost focus issue so I can't say I was 
encouraged by it. I sort of expected a more on point reply to an issue I've 
reported at least three times and which has been around ever since iOS 13 came 
out.



Alan



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]<mailto:[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]> On 
Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com<mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 4:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?



For me, after writing to Apple accessibility, I’m giving the Outlook app a 
spin. It seems to handle threads better but I haven’t decided if I like it 
better over all or not.



--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail



From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?



Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.



So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?



Thanks for any direction.



Kim







On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Hi List,



I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.



Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.



Thanks in advance for your comments.



Alan Lemly

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RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Les,

 

Thanks for the Outlook suggestion. I'm trying it now and it seems to be working 
very well. I just have to get used to its differing terminology. I like that 
the native Mail app references All mail when you want to see everything and 
Outlook uses Archive for its terminology the best I can tell. I'll know better 
how I like it when I try it first thing in the morning to review the messages 
in my Inbox to see how it handles focus.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Hi Alan,

 

Well, I’ve been using Outlook for the past couple of weeks. I’ve given up on 
Apple fixing the mail issues and I’ve gone to Outlook instead. It does seem to 
be working much better. With the Mail app, I could go through messages OK but 
once I open the message and came out of it, then the problem started. Focus was 
totally lost. I’ve written Apple about it and I know others have as well, but 
it doesn’t seem like it’s going to be fixed this round. I sure hope when they 
come out with a new operating system which will be version 14, this issue will 
have been resolved 

 

Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Alan 
Lemly 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:02:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue? 

 

Christopher,

 

I'd be curious as to your take on the Outlook app versus the native Mail app. I 
didn't have much luck with the Outlook app when I first looked at it but that's 
been a number of years ago. I received one of those generic replies from Apple 
Accessibility about the native Mail lost focus issue so I can't say I was 
encouraged by it. I sort of expected a more on point reply to an issue I've 
reported at least three times and which has been around ever since iOS 13 came 
out.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 4:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

For me, after writing to Apple accessibility, I’m giving the Outlook app a 
spin. It seems to handle threads better but I haven’t decided if I like it 
better over all or not.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 

 

On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:



Hi List,

 

I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.

 

Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.

 

Thanks in advance for your comments.

 

Alan Lemly

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RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Carolyn]

I'm with you though, Lynn. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lynn White
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

No.  Bombing any server is a rotten idea.  That is a very negative action and 
is likely not to receive a positive reaction.

I hope that the moderator will not mind me saying this.  But whenever I hear 
that someone wants to “bomb” a company, it sounds like spoiled brats wanting 
their way using any means necessary.  Not casting personal attacks on anyone 
whatsoever.

There are probably several useful methods that we can use to point out problems 
witha service or app.  The one that comes to mind in this situation is to send 
a detailed description of the problem to the Apple Accessible team each time a 
new major update happens.

It would probably be quite helpful to thank the team for any improvements that 
are made and point those improvements out.  

I’m just thinking of how I would receive such a helpful message if I was on 
such a team.

I hope that this is helpful and trust me, I am not at all downing people who 
might disagree with me.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 22, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:



 
BOMB do bomb their servers every day on and on and on!
You are all saying of course we do, but maybe when 2000 read this just 
2 or 3 will do so because I feel blinds are often so uncomplained resigned 
people others will do that in my place me I do not have the writing skills to 
do so and other bad reasons not to write to Apple.
 
So, now, this evening, everybody involved with this tramendous bug DO 
report it now and let’s say every week again and again!
 
Davy 
 
From: Lynn White <mailto:lynnwhite...@gmail.com>  
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app 
lost focus issue?
 
Hi Allen, 
 
This is so refreshing to hear.  I have a friend who, every time there 
is an update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of 
ways other than children of God.
 
I encourage him to either write to Accessibility and/or become a beta 
tester which he would be great at.  To this day, he has done neither.
 
And you’re right.  It will take beating that drum patiently and 
courteously until this issue is fixed.  It probably won’t be until maybe IOS 14 
comes out.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 21, 2020, at 2:24 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
 wrote:



 
Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple.  I’ve sent 
them an e-mail.
 
Kim


On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner 
 wrote:



 

Yes, anyone experiencing this should write 
accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> 

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a 
window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and 
native Mail app lost focus issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group 
about this but didn’t know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for 
that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  
Write to Apple accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 





On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi List,

 

I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app 
loses focus when I've reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail 
account and review emails in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain 
focus on the

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Lynn White]

No.  Bombing any server is a rotten idea.  That is a very negative action and 
is likely not to receive a positive reaction.

I hope that the moderator will not mind me saying this.  But whenever I hear 
that someone wants to “bomb” a company, it sounds like spoiled brats wanting 
their way using any means necessary.  Not casting personal attacks on anyone 
whatsoever.

There are probably several useful methods that we can use to point out problems 
witha service or app.  The one that comes to mind in this situation is to send 
a detailed description of the problem to the Apple Accessible team each time a 
new major update happens.

It would probably be quite helpful to thank the team for any improvements that 
are made and point those improvements out.  

I’m just thinking of how I would receive such a helpful message if I was on 
such a team.

I hope that this is helpful and trust me, I am not at all downing people who 
might disagree with me.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
> 
> 
> BOMB do bomb their servers every day on and on and on!
> You are all saying of course we do, but maybe when 2000 read this just 2 or 3 
> will do so because I feel blinds are often so uncomplained resigned people 
> others will do that in my place me I do not have the writing skills to do so 
> and other bad reasons not to write to Apple.
>  
> So, now, this evening, everybody involved with this tramendous bug DO report 
> it now and let’s say every week again and again!
>  
> Davy
>  
> From: Lynn White
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
> focus issue?
>  
> Hi Allen,
>  
> This is so refreshing to hear.  I have a friend who, every time there is an 
> update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of ways 
> other than children of God.
>  
> I encourage him to either write to Accessibility and/or become a beta tester 
> which he would be great at.  To this day, he has done neither.
>  
> And you’re right.  It will take beating that drum patiently and courteously 
> until this issue is fixed.  It probably won’t be until maybe IOS 14 comes out.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 21, 2020, at 2:24 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple.  I’ve sent them an e-mail.
>>  
>> Kim
>> 
>>> On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes, anyone experiencing this should write accessibil...@apple.com
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Richard
>>> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, 
>>> Oregon.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
>>> focus issue?
>>>  
>>> Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but 
>>> didn’t know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.
>>>  
>>> So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
>>> accessibility?
>>>  
>>> Thanks for any direction.
>>>  
>>> Kim
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>>  
>>> I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've 
>>> reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review 
>>> emails in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the 
>>> message on which I'm located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to 
>>> do any better with iOS 13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new 
>>> email comes in while focus is at the bottom of the screen on a much older 
>>> message, focus is jumping to this new email. It also isn't keeping focus 
>>> correctly when I expand a thread containing multiple messages.
>>>  
>>> Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with 
>>> procedures to work with this focus issue because I find going through my 
>>> new emails each morning to be a major pain and time waster.
>>>  
>>> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>>>  
>>> Alan Lemly
>>> -- 
>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>>>  
>

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Davy Cuppens]

BOMB do bomb their servers every day on and on and on!
You are all saying of course we do, but maybe when 2000 read this just 2 or 3 
will do so because I feel blinds are often so uncomplained resigned people 
others will do that in my place me I do not have the writing skills to do so 
and other bad reasons not to write to Apple.

So, now, this evening, everybody involved with this tramendous bug DO report it 
now and let’s say every week again and again!

Davy 

From: Lynn White 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

Hi Allen, 

This is so refreshing to hear.  I have a friend who, every time there is an 
update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of ways 
other than children of God.

I encourage him to either write to Accessibility and/or become a beta tester 
which he would be great at.  To this day, he has done neither.

And you’re right.  It will take beating that drum patiently and courteously 
until this issue is fixed.  It probably won’t be until maybe IOS 14 comes out.


Sent from my iPhone


  On May 21, 2020, at 2:24 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


   
  Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple.  I’ve sent them an e-mail.

  Kim


On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


 
Yes, anyone experiencing this should write accessibil...@apple.com

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, 
Oregon.

 

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but 
didn’t know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 





  On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

  

  Hi List,

   

  I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've 
reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails 
in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on 
which I'm located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better 
with iOS 13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while 
focus is at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping 
to this new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.

   

  Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with 
procedures to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new 
emails each morning to be a major pain and time waster.

   

  Thanks in advance for your comments.

   

  Alan Lemly

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Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Alan,

Well, I’ve been using Outlook for the past couple of weeks. I’ve given up on 
Apple fixing the mail issues and I’ve gone to Outlook instead. It does seem to 
be working much better. With the Mail app, I could go through messages OK but 
once I open the message and came out of it, then the problem started. Focus was 
totally lost. I’ve written Apple about it and I know others have as well, but 
it doesn’t seem like it’s going to be fixed this round. I sure hope when they 
come out with a new operating system which will be version 14, this issue will 
have been resolved

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Alan 
Lemly 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:02:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?


Christopher,



I'd be curious as to your take on the Outlook app versus the native Mail app. I 
didn't have much luck with the Outlook app when I first looked at it but that's 
been a number of years ago. I received one of those generic replies from Apple 
Accessibility about the native Mail lost focus issue so I can't say I was 
encouraged by it. I sort of expected a more on point reply to an issue I've 
reported at least three times and which has been around ever since iOS 13 came 
out.



Alan



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 4:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?



For me, after writing to Apple accessibility, I’m giving the Outlook app a 
spin. It seems to handle threads better but I haven’t decided if I like it 
better over all or not.



--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail



From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?



Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.



So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?



Thanks for any direction.



Kim







On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Hi List,



I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.



Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.



Thanks in advance for your comments.



Alan Lemly

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RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Alan Lemly]

Christopher,

 

I'd be curious as to your take on the Outlook app versus the native Mail app. I 
didn't have much luck with the Outlook app when I first looked at it but that's 
been a number of years ago. I received one of those generic replies from Apple 
Accessibility about the native Mail lost focus issue so I can't say I was 
encouraged by it. I sort of expected a more on point reply to an issue I've 
reported at least three times and which has been around ever since iOS 13 came 
out.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 4:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

For me, after writing to Apple accessibility, I’m giving the Outlook app a 
spin. It seems to handle threads better but I haven’t decided if I like it 
better over all or not.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 

 

On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:



Hi List,

 

I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.

 

Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.

 

Thanks in advance for your comments.

 

Alan Lemly

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RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[chaltain]

For me, after writing to Apple accessibility, I’m giving the Outlook app a 
spin. It seems to handle threads better but I haven’t decided if I like it 
better over all or not.

 

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Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 





On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi List,

 

I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.

 

Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.

 

Thanks in advance for your comments.

 

Alan Lemly

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Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Donna Casteen]

I don't use email threads, more than one email within an email, so I can't 
comment on this. I'm having no problems with voiceover losing focus with 
individual emails, as long as the annoying vertical scrollbar is at 0% for the 
top email & at 100% for the last email & if I'm within the middle of the email 
list, with the vertical scrollbar at the proper precentage corresponding to the 
email in focus. I'm using the native Apple mail appchecking my gmail & AT 
mail accounts.

Donna
> 
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've 
> reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review 
> emails in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the 
> message on which I'm located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to 
> do any better with iOS 13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email 
> comes in while focus is at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, 
> focus is jumping to this new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly 
> when I expand a thread containing multiple messages.
>  
> Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with 
> procedures to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new 
> emails each morning to be a major pain and time waster.
>  
> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>  
> Alan Lemly
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RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Lynn,

 

I agree. The only way to get things changed is to consistently ask politely. 
I've found that the old adage about catching more flies with honey than vinegar 
applies with anything where people are involved.

 

I've sent my third email to Apple Accessibility about the native Mail focus 
issue and hopefully I'll hear something back.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lynn White
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 2:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Hi Allen,

 

This is so refreshing to hear.  I have a friend who, every time there is an 
update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of ways 
other than children of God.

 

I encourage him to either write to Accessibility and/or become a beta tester 
which he would be great at.  To this day, he has done neither.

 

And you’re right.  It will take beating that drum patiently and courteously 
until this issue is fixed.  It probably won’t be until maybe IOS 14 comes out.

Sent from my iPhone





On May 21, 2020, at 2:24 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
 wrote:



Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple.  I’ve sent them an e-mail.

 

Kim





On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

 

Yes, anyone experiencing this should write accessibil...@apple.com

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 






On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:



Hi List,

 

I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.

 

Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.

 

Thanks in advance for your comments.

 

Alan Lemly

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Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Lynn White]

Hi Allen,

This is so refreshing to hear.  I have a friend who, every time there is an 
update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of ways 
other than children of God.

I encourage him to either write to Accessibility and/or become a beta tester 
which he would be great at.  To this day, he has done neither.

And you’re right.  It will take beating that drum patiently and courteously 
until this issue is fixed.  It probably won’t be until maybe IOS 14 comes out.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 21, 2020, at 2:24 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple.  I’ve sent them an e-mail.
> 
> Kim
> 
>>> On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Yes, anyone experiencing this should write accessibil...@apple.com
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Richard
>> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
>>  
>>  
>> From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
>> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
>> focus issue?
>>  
>> Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
>> know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.
>>  
>> So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
>> accessibility?
>>  
>> Thanks for any direction.
>>  
>> Kim
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi List,
>>  
>> I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've 
>> reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review 
>> emails in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the 
>> message on which I'm located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to 
>> do any better with iOS 13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new 
>> email comes in while focus is at the bottom of the screen on a much older 
>> message, focus is jumping to this new email. It also isn't keeping focus 
>> correctly when I expand a thread containing multiple messages.
>>  
>> Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with 
>> procedures to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new 
>> emails each morning to be a major pain and time waster.
>>  
>> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>>  
>> Alan Lemly
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Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

['Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone]

Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple.  I’ve sent them an e-mail.

Kim

> On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, anyone experiencing this should write accessibil...@apple.com
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
>  
>  
> From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
> focus issue?
>  
> Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
> know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.
>  
> So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
> accessibility?
>  
> Thanks for any direction.
>  
> Kim
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've 
> reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review 
> emails in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the 
> message on which I'm located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to 
> do any better with iOS 13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email 
> comes in while focus is at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, 
> focus is jumping to this new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly 
> when I expand a thread containing multiple messages.
>  
> Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with 
> procedures to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new 
> emails each morning to be a major pain and time waster.
>  
> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>  
> Alan Lemly
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RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Richard Turner]

Yes, anyone experiencing this should write 
accessibil...@apple.com<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>



Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.


From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

Thanks for any direction.

Kim




On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi List,

I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.

Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.

Thanks in advance for your comments.

Alan Lemly
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Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Holly]

Kim:

I don’t use my phone much for email, but I have found, that the more people 
that report a problem to Apple accessibility, the better.

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Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

['Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone]

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

Thanks for any direction.

Kim



> On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've 
> reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review 
> emails in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the 
> message on which I'm located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to 
> do any better with iOS 13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email 
> comes in while focus is at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, 
> focus is jumping to this new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly 
> when I expand a thread containing multiple messages.
>  
> Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with 
> procedures to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new 
> emails each morning to be a major pain and time waster.
>  
> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>  
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Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Alan Lemly]

Hi List,

 

I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've
reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review
emails in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the
message on which I'm located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to
do any better with iOS 13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new
email comes in while focus is at the bottom of the screen on a much older
message, focus is jumping to this new email. It also isn't keeping focus
correctly when I expand a thread containing multiple messages.

 

Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with
procedures to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new
emails each morning to be a major pain and time waster.

 

Thanks in advance for your comments.

 

Alan Lemly

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Re: IOS Focus Issue

[Mário Navarro]

yes it's true ...
It happens all the time ...
cheers.

Às 01:21 de 03/01/2016, Simon Fogarty escreveu:

Yeah I get the same thing with my 6s+,

Everytime I close an app it sends focus to the status bar, I've just gotten use 
to it and do a 2 finger swipe up to get rid of things.

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Dan Rathburn
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 5:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS Focus Issue



Hello,

I have a 6-Plus with the latest IOS update.  Just in the last few days, 
whenever I close an app Voiceover focus is on the notification bar at the top 
of thescreen instead of the main screen.  I've tried poking around in settings 
but can't find anything that sounds like it might relate to the issue.  
Suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks,

Dan
  


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Re: IOS Focus Issue

[Mário Navarro]

 in my mini 2 happens all the time.

cheers.

Às 21:07 de 02/01/2016, Rajmund escreveu:

Hello,
As mentioned before, but I'll add it again, no issues on an iPad air 1, either.

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Date: Saturday, January 2, 2016 7:50 pm
Subject: Re: IOS Focus Issue



My situation is like Chris's. No problems on an iPad mini or an iPhone 6s.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 2, 2016, at 11:18 AM, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
wrote:

No such problem here on my iPhone 5s, iPad Mini 2 and iPod Touch 6th generation 
all running iOS 9.2.

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Hello,

I have a 6-Plus with the latest IOS update.  Just in the last few days, 
whenever I close an app Voiceover focus is on the notification bar at the top 
of thescreen instead of the main screen.  I've tried poking around in settings 
but can't find anything that sounds like it might relate to the issue.  
Suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks,

Dan

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Re: IOS Focus Issue

[Rajmund]

Hello,
Its not happening with the iPad, though.

- Original Message -
From: Mc3a1rio_Navarro  <mario@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2016 5:23 pm
Subject: Re: IOS Focus Issue

>
>
> 
> hi.
> this is a bug.
> bug on voice over in IOS 9.
> cheers.
> 
> 
> as 16:37 de 02/01/2016, Dan Rathburn escreveu:
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have a 6-Plus with the latest IOS update.  Just in the last few 
> > days, whenever I close an app Voiceover focus is on the notification 
> > bar at the top of thescreen instead of the main screen.  I've tried 
> > poking around in settings but can't find anything that sounds like it 
> > might relate to the issue. Suggestions would be welcome.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
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IOS Focus Issue

[Dan Rathburn]

Hello,

I have a 6-Plus with the latest IOS update.  Just in the last few days, 
whenever I close an app Voiceover focus is on the notification bar at the 
top of thescreen instead of the main screen.  I've tried poking around in 
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issue.  Suggestions would be welcome.


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Re: IOS Focus Issue

[Rajmund]

Hello,
With the iPad air, if I bring up the app switcher, it moves between the 2 last 
used apps, so it even saves me from swiping. 

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From: Mc3a1rio_Navarro  <mario@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2016 6:34 pm
Subject: Re: IOS Focus Issue

>
>
> hi.
> on my iPad mini 2, this bug is also real.
>   happens all the time ...
> cheers.
> 
> as 17:36 de 02/01/2016, Rajmund escreveu:
> > Hello,
> > Its not happening with the iPad, though.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Mc3a1rio_Navarro  <mario@gmail.com>
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, January 2, 2016 5:23 pm
> > Subject: Re: IOS Focus Issue
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> hi.
> >> this is a bug.
> >> bug on voice over in IOS 9.
> >> cheers.
> >>
> >>
> >> as 16:37 de 02/01/2016, Dan Rathburn escreveu:
> >>>
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> I have a 6-Plus with the latest IOS update.  Just in the last few
> >>> days, whenever I close an app Voiceover focus is on the notification
> >>> bar at the top of thescreen instead of the main screen.  I've tried
> >>> poking around in settings but can't find anything that sounds like it
> >>> might relate to the issue. Suggestions would be welcome.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Dan
> >>>
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Re: IOS Focus Issue

[christopher hallsworth]

No such problem here on my iPhone 5s, iPad Mini 2 and iPod Touch 6th generation 
all running iOS 9.2.
> On 2 Jan 2016, at 16:37, Dan Rathburn  wrote:
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> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have a 6-Plus with the latest IOS update.  Just in the last few days, 
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> of thescreen instead of the main screen.  I've tried poking around in 
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RE: IOS Focus Issue

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That just seems the way it is for now. It does that for me also both on my 6S 
and 5S as well as on my wife's iPhone 6.


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Hello,

I have a 6-Plus with the latest IOS update.  Just in the last few days, 
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of thescreen instead of the main screen.  I've tried poking around in settings 
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Thanks,

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Re: IOS Focus Issue

[Mário Navarro]

hi.
this is a bug.
bug on voice over in IOS 9.
cheers.


Às 16:37 de 02/01/2016, Dan Rathburn escreveu:



Hello,

I have a 6-Plus with the latest IOS update.  Just in the last few 
days, whenever I close an app Voiceover focus is on the notification 
bar at the top of thescreen instead of the main screen.  I've tried 
poking around in settings but can't find anything that sounds like it 
might relate to the issue. Suggestions would be welcome.


Thanks,

Dan




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Re: IOS Focus Issue

[Mário Navarro]

hi.
on my iPad mini 2, this bug is also real.
 happens all the time ...
cheers.

Às 17:36 de 02/01/2016, Rajmund escreveu:

Hello,
Its not happening with the iPad, though.

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Date: Saturday, January 2, 2016 5:23 pm
Subject: Re: IOS Focus Issue




hi.
this is a bug.
bug on voice over in IOS 9.
cheers.


as 16:37 de 02/01/2016, Dan Rathburn escreveu:


Hello,

I have a 6-Plus with the latest IOS update.  Just in the last few
days, whenever I close an app Voiceover focus is on the notification
bar at the top of thescreen instead of the main screen.  I've tried
poking around in settings but can't find anything that sounds like it
might relate to the issue. Suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks,

Dan



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Re: IOS Focus Issue

[Mary Otten]

My situation is like Chris's. No problems on an iPad mini or an iPhone 6s.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 2, 2016, at 11:18 AM, christopher hallsworth  
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> No such problem here on my iPhone 5s, iPad Mini 2 and iPod Touch 6th 
> generation all running iOS 9.2.
>> On 2 Jan 2016, at 16:37, Dan Rathburn  wrote:
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>> Hello,
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>> whenever I close an app Voiceover focus is on the notification bar at the 
>> top of thescreen instead of the main screen.  I've tried poking around in 
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RE: IOS Focus Issue

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah I get the same thing with my 6s+,

Everytime I close an app it sends focus to the status bar, I've just gotten use 
to it and do a 2 finger swipe up to get rid of things.

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Hello,

I have a 6-Plus with the latest IOS update.  Just in the last few days, 
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Re: IOS Focus Issue

[Rajmund]

Hello,
As mentioned before, but I'll add it again, no issues on an iPad air 1, either.

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Subject: Re: IOS Focus Issue

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> My situation is like Chris's. No problems on an iPad mini or an iPhone 6s.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> >> On 2 Jan 2016, at 16:37, Dan Rathburn <rathburnda...@comcast.net> wrote:
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RE: Explore by touch focus issue fixed in IOS 9

[Richard Turner]

I found the same thing.  Finally, delete is really delete.
It also used to often skip the delete button if you were flicking right, it 
would go Mark message, Move, Reply, Compose and only when you went back to the 
left did you hear the delete button.

Nice to have a little annoyance like that gone.

Richard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Explore by touch focus issue fixed in IOS 9

An annoying little bug I had throughout IOS 8 appears to have been fixed 
in IOS 9. I'm talking about the bug where I'd find a button by exploring 
the screen but double tapping would activate an adjacent button. For 
example, I'd go to delete a message in the Mail app by touching the 
screen right above the home button, where the delete button is located. 
Even though VoiceOver would say Delete, a double tap would pull up the 
reply dialog more often than not. This is fixed in IOS 9, so I have to 
retrain my muscles not to touch the screen above the home button and 
then immediately flick left and then right to make sure I"m on the 
delete button before double tapping.

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Explore by touch focus issue fixed in IOS 9

[Christopher Chaltain]

An annoying little bug I had throughout IOS 8 appears to have been fixed 
in IOS 9. I'm talking about the bug where I'd find a button by exploring 
the screen but double tapping would activate an adjacent button. For 
example, I'd go to delete a message in the Mail app by touching the 
screen right above the home button, where the delete button is located. 
Even though VoiceOver would say Delete, a double tap would pull up the 
reply dialog more often than not. This is fixed in IOS 9, so I have to 
retrain my muscles not to touch the screen above the home button and 
then immediately flick left and then right to make sure I"m on the 
delete button before double tapping.


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IOS6: Critical and very annoying focus issue

[Søren Jensen]

Hi.

I've just updated to IOS6. In Tweetlist, Voiceover loses focus when the screen 
is refreshing. That happens when opening websites in Tweetlist as well which 
makes reading websites nearly impossible. I haven't checked if that happens in 
Safari as well, but I find this bug seriusly critical!
Best regards:
Søren Jensen
Mail  MSN:
s...@coolfortheblind.dk
Website:
http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/

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