Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
Or maybe we just like to have options: the option to use an open platform when Apple gets to be too smothering. Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:29 PM CrazyEyez wrote: > Can't be that much of a choke hold if you come back to be abused by the > apple products to play your beloved games. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 24, 2021, at 1:09 PM, Christopher Chaltain > wrote: > > > > I hear you Sieghard! I tend to avoid such inflammatory words and phrases > myself because I want people to read the content of my message and not get > caught up in any colorful choice of words. I also realize that some people > make a very informed decision on what device to use, and I don’t want to > cast any dispersion on anyone just because they have different priorities > and make a choice I wouldn’t have made. I’m not perfect, but I try to treat > everyone and the decisions they’ve made with respect. I also try to talk in > examples rather than making blanket statements. > > > > -- > > Christopher (AKA CJ) > > Chaltain at Outlook > > > > *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com *On Behalf Of > *Sieghard Weitzel > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 24, 2021 11:43 AM > *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType > > > > Why do people have to be so intense and use terms like "choke hold" It's > very simple, if you don't like the way Apple does things use an Android > phone, but what's the point in these words or terms which are utterly > subjective. I have used an iPhone since 2009 and not once have I felt > "choked", if you have then I'm glad you now have an Android phone which > gives you all the freedom to do exactly what you want although I am sure > that even the grat platform of the Android OS has at least one or two > drawbacks or maybe it is entirely perfect by now. Whatever works for the > user is what you should use. > > > > *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com *On Behalf Of > *Donna Casteen > *Sent:* August 23, 2021 6:47 PM > *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType > > > > Devin, I too have escaped the choke hold of Apple. My iPhone is used to > play games that android does not have. I also get to continue using an > accessible keyboard like Flick Type. And before I'm told I'm no longer > welcome in the group, I still update my phone & participate in the public > beta program. & use my iPad for my creative writing course. > > > > Donna > > > > > > Donna > > > > > > So, I can no longer participate in discussion just because I, who have > been using Apple devices for years, no longer use mine regularly and > promote the fact that Android is a viable alternative when huge issues of > Apple's control pops up? I'm glad you're not a moderator. > > Devin Prater > > r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com > > gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 12:21 PM Richard Turner < > richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote: > > I wrote him as well. I primarily use MBraille when I don't have a > keybaord available. > > I do not mean to minimize the impact on dedicated FlickType users; and I > wonder if somehow this issue between FlickType and the App Store/Apple was > brought to mainstream media's attention if something more would be > accomplished. > > I was partly reacting to someone who has already jumped ship to Android > whom I hope stops contributing to Apple discussions if he is no longer > going to use Apple products. > > Personally, I can braille faster than I could use FlickType, but I fully > understand the impact it would make on me if MBraille had to go away > because of some unknown issue with Apple, and I would have the same > reaction you and others are having to FlickType's removal. > > But, I have bluetooth keyboards and braille displays to use if MBraille > faced the same fate; so I still say, it is not the end of the world; but a > damnable inconvenience, which probably should not have to happen. > > > > > > > > Richard > > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with > it." -- Jane Wagner > > > > > > > > > > > > website: www.turner42.com > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C8959c37cfbe74658674c08d9671e409a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637654201905367640%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=sVVfzK64Ne%2BYvqOn1mVh67xIvJQysXSDjX9n358RBqU%3D=0>
Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
Can't be that much of a choke hold if you come back to be abused by the apple products to play your beloved games. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 24, 2021, at 1:09 PM, Christopher Chaltain > wrote: > > > I hear you Sieghard! I tend to avoid such inflammatory words and phrases > myself because I want people to read the content of my message and not get > caught up in any colorful choice of words. I also realize that some people > make a very informed decision on what device to use, and I don’t want to cast > any dispersion on anyone just because they have different priorities and make > a choice I wouldn’t have made. I’m not perfect, but I try to treat everyone > and the decisions they’ve made with respect. I also try to talk in examples > rather than making blanket statements. > > -- > Christopher (AKA CJ) > Chaltain at Outlook > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 11:43 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType > > Why do people have to be so intense and use terms like "choke hold" It's very > simple, if you don't like the way Apple does things use an Android phone, but > what's the point in these words or terms which are utterly subjective. I have > used an iPhone since 2009 and not once have I felt "choked", if you have then > I'm glad you now have an Android phone which gives you all the freedom to do > exactly what you want although I am sure that even the grat platform of the > Android OS has at least one or two drawbacks or maybe it is entirely perfect > by now. Whatever works for the user is what you should use. > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Donna > Casteen > Sent: August 23, 2021 6:47 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType > > Devin, I too have escaped the choke hold of Apple. My iPhone is used to play > games that android does not have. I also get to continue using an accessible > keyboard like Flick Type. And before I'm told I'm no longer welcome in the > group, I still update my phone & participate in the public beta program. & > use my iPad for my creative writing course. > > Donna > > > Donna > > > So, I can no longer participate in discussion just because I, who have been > using Apple devices for years, no longer use mine regularly and promote the > fact that Android is a viable alternative when huge issues of Apple's control > pops up? I'm glad you're not a moderator. > Devin Prater > r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com > gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ > > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 12:21 PM Richard Turner > wrote: > I wrote him as well. I primarily use MBraille when I don't have a keybaord > available. > I do not mean to minimize the impact on dedicated FlickType users; and I > wonder if somehow this issue between FlickType and the App Store/Apple was > brought to mainstream media's attention if something more would be > accomplished. > I was partly reacting to someone who has already jumped ship to Android whom > I hope stops contributing to Apple discussions if he is no longer going to > use Apple products. > Personally, I can braille faster than I could use FlickType, but I fully > understand the impact it would make on me if MBraille had to go away because > of some unknown issue with Apple, and I would have the same reaction you and > others are having to FlickType's removal. > But, I have bluetooth keyboards and braille displays to use if MBraille faced > the same fate; so I still say, it is not the end of the world; but a damnable > inconvenience, which probably should not have to happen. > > > > Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." > -- Jane Wagner > > > > > > website: www.turner42.com > > > > On Aug 23, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Alan Lemly wrote: > > > Richard, > > While I agree that the loss of FlickType is not the end of the world, it’s > going to dramatically impact how I use my iPhone. I much prefer typing my own > content as opposed to dictating it and FlickType has made it very easy to > compose text messages and emails with my iPhone’s screen fairly quickly > without the need for another keyboard. > > Just out of curiosity, how much do you use FlickType for input on your > iDevice? > > I will certainly adapt to the loss of FlickType but my speed and accuracy of > input is going to take a big hit. I did write an email to Phil Schiller > expressing my concerns but realistically, I’m not holding my breath
Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
Man its 2021. People are a bunch of dramatic crybabies. They're probably dramatized apple doesn't have their favourite feature. Never understood the love for these stupid alternate typing methods anyway. Use braille screen input. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 24, 2021, at 12:43 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > > Why do people have to be so intense and use terms like "choke hold" It's very > simple, if you don't like the way Apple does things use an Android phone, but > what's the point in these words or terms which are utterly subjective. I have > used an iPhone since 2009 and not once have I felt "choked", if you have then > I'm glad you now have an Android phone which gives you all the freedom to do > exactly what you want although I am sure that even the grat platform of the > Android OS has at least one or two drawbacks or maybe it is entirely perfect > by now. Whatever works for the user is what you should use. > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Donna > Casteen > Sent: August 23, 2021 6:47 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType > > Devin, I too have escaped the choke hold of Apple. My iPhone is used to play > games that android does not have. I also get to continue using an accessible > keyboard like Flick Type. And before I'm told I'm no longer welcome in the > group, I still update my phone & participate in the public beta program. & > use my iPad for my creative writing course. > > Donna > > > Donna > > > So, I can no longer participate in discussion just because I, who have been > using Apple devices for years, no longer use mine regularly and promote the > fact that Android is a viable alternative when huge issues of Apple's control > pops up? I'm glad you're not a moderator. > Devin Prater > r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com > gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ > > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 12:21 PM Richard Turner > wrote: > I wrote him as well. I primarily use MBraille when I don't have a keybaord > available. > I do not mean to minimize the impact on dedicated FlickType users; and I > wonder if somehow this issue between FlickType and the App Store/Apple was > brought to mainstream media's attention if something more would be > accomplished. > I was partly reacting to someone who has already jumped ship to Android whom > I hope stops contributing to Apple discussions if he is no longer going to > use Apple products. > Personally, I can braille faster than I could use FlickType, but I fully > understand the impact it would make on me if MBraille had to go away because > of some unknown issue with Apple, and I would have the same reaction you and > others are having to FlickType's removal. > But, I have bluetooth keyboards and braille displays to use if MBraille faced > the same fate; so I still say, it is not the end of the world; but a damnable > inconvenience, which probably should not have to happen. > > > > Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." > -- Jane Wagner > > > > > > website: www.turner42.com > > > > On Aug 23, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Alan Lemly wrote: > > > Richard, > > While I agree that the loss of FlickType is not the end of the world, it’s > going to dramatically impact how I use my iPhone. I much prefer typing my own > content as opposed to dictating it and FlickType has made it very easy to > compose text messages and emails with my iPhone’s screen fairly quickly > without the need for another keyboard. > > Just out of curiosity, how much do you use FlickType for input on your > iDevice? > > I will certainly adapt to the loss of FlickType but my speed and accuracy of > input is going to take a big hit. I did write an email to Phil Schiller > expressing my concerns but realistically, I’m not holding my breath that it > will make any difference. I do believe that users are responsible for > providing feedback when an app’s accessibility is broken or an accessible app > is totally withdrawn as in this case due to some dispute with the App Store. > I’ll continually encourage those in our community to provide this feedback > because sometimes, the squeaky wheel does get the grease. > > Alan Lemly > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 10:06 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType > > I Very much doubt the millions of customers it would take to switch to the > “somewhat dark side, grin” will do so, which is what it would take to im
Re: MBraille, was RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
Hello all, I really like BSI for input on my iPhone. I do also like the features that MBraille has but the $40 price for full access to the app is a bit pricy. Greg Wocher > On Aug 24, 2021, at 12:33 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > > Whether BSI, M-Braille or Flicktype, any of these require you to understand > how they work and after that constant practice and not just for half an hour, > but for hours and hours. It's just like correct touch typing on a full-size > keyboard, some people can do 30 or 40 words a minute and others can do 100 or > more or, according to Wikipedia, 216 words a minute back in 1946 on an IBM > electric typewriter by Stella Pajunas-Garnand in Chicago. > Here is an interesting blog article from the "Das Keyboard" website: > > The Fastest Typist in the World Wins the Ultimate Typing Championship > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Joshua > Hendrickson > Sent: August 24, 2021 2:53 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: MBraille, was RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType > > Thanks a lot. I will give it a try. I really like the concept of BSI, I > just hope I will get the hang of this app. When I was playing around with > BSI just trying out the alphabet in braille, one time I got it to work, and I > was surprised at how fast I could type some of the letters. > > On 8/23/21, Richard Turner wrote: > > there is not really callibration but you have a few layouts. It is > > much like BSI but I find it a bit easier. > > I think you can get the app for free and get used to it before having > > to consider purchasing it. > > There is a lot of settings to customize it. > > > > > > > > Richard > > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." > > -- Jane Wagner > > > > > > > > > > > > website: www.turner42.com > > > > > > On Aug 23, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: > > > > That sounds very interesting. I tried the BSI thing, but just > > couldn't get the hang of it. That sounds easier then flicktype. I > > tried that and it was confusing. If I do get mbraille, I'll probably > > have questions. Having a braille keyboard come up when I need to send > > a text message would be very neat if I can figure out how to use it. > > Also, doing web searches would also be very nice. Is there any > > calibrating of fingers like in BSI? Thanks. > > > > On 8/23/21, Richard Turner wrote: > > MBraille is an app for writing braille on the screen like the Apple > > Braille Input, though it has far more features. If you buy the full > > version, it can be set as another keyboard; much like FlickType could > > be an extra keyboard. > > It has lots of what he calls "dot commands," so that by brailling the > > braille period dots 2,5,6 followed by sms then a contact or a phone > > number, you can send whatever you had written as a text message. > > Or, dot mail followed by a subject in quotes or just a contact or an > > email address you can send a mail message, all from within the app. > > Or of course, once the keyboard is up, you can switch to it and just > > write in the body of a text or email. > > Those are what I use the most, but you can also do web searches from > > the app, add calendar events, and save notes to Dropbox and on, and on. > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fapps. > > apple.com%2Fus%2Fapp%2Fmbraille%2Fid639199558data=04%7C01%7C%7C26 > > bc78bd273a4834b61b08d966b8ab39%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1% > > 7C0%7C637653765605406064%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiL > > CJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=7rGBjjD > > 7WJ6Mk%2FS0OcNfpvjEY2%2BxrG1ZvJZP%2FnbPrOw%3Dreserved=0 > > > > I'll start a new thread if this continues to not be about flicktype. > > > > > > > > Richard > > Software means never having to say you're finished > > > > Web site: > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu > > rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C26bc78bd273a4834b61b08d966b8ab39%7 > > C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653765605416019%7CUnkno > > wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL > > CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=zFUuWxKTdNGPv1yNUvScwDnnUPwjE%2F6ovxeZ7 > > wPhizs%3Dreserved=0 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > > Joshua Hendrickson > > Sent: Monday, Au
RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
I hear you Sieghard! I tend to avoid such inflammatory words and phrases myself because I want people to read the content of my message and not get caught up in any colorful choice of words. I also realize that some people make a very informed decision on what device to use, and I don’t want to cast any dispersion on anyone just because they have different priorities and make a choice I wouldn’t have made. I’m not perfect, but I try to treat everyone and the decisions they’ve made with respect. I also try to talk in examples rather than making blanket statements. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 11:43 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType Why do people have to be so intense and use terms like "choke hold" It's very simple, if you don't like the way Apple does things use an Android phone, but what's the point in these words or terms which are utterly subjective. I have used an iPhone since 2009 and not once have I felt "choked", if you have then I'm glad you now have an Android phone which gives you all the freedom to do exactly what you want although I am sure that even the grat platform of the Android OS has at least one or two drawbacks or maybe it is entirely perfect by now. Whatever works for the user is what you should use. From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: August 23, 2021 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType Devin, I too have escaped the choke hold of Apple. My iPhone is used to play games that android does not have. I also get to continue using an accessible keyboard like Flick Type. And before I'm told I'm no longer welcome in the group, I still update my phone & participate in the public beta program. & use my iPad for my creative writing course. Donna Donna So, I can no longer participate in discussion just because I, who have been using Apple devices for years, no longer use mine regularly and promote the fact that Android is a viable alternative when huge issues of Apple's control pops up? I'm glad you're not a moderator. Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com<mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 12:21 PM Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote: I wrote him as well. I primarily use MBraille when I don't have a keybaord available. I do not mean to minimize the impact on dedicated FlickType users; and I wonder if somehow this issue between FlickType and the App Store/Apple was brought to mainstream media's attention if something more would be accomplished. I was partly reacting to someone who has already jumped ship to Android whom I hope stops contributing to Apple discussions if he is no longer going to use Apple products. Personally, I can braille faster than I could use FlickType, but I fully understand the impact it would make on me if MBraille had to go away because of some unknown issue with Apple, and I would have the same reaction you and others are having to FlickType's removal. But, I have bluetooth keyboards and braille displays to use if MBraille faced the same fate; so I still say, it is not the end of the world; but a damnable inconvenience, which probably should not have to happen. Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner website: www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C8959c37cfbe74658674c08d9671e409a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637654201905367640%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=sVVfzK64Ne%2BYvqOn1mVh67xIvJQysXSDjX9n358RBqU%3D=0> On Aug 23, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote: Richard, While I agree that the loss of FlickType is not the end of the world, it’s going to dramatically impact how I use my iPhone. I much prefer typing my own content as opposed to dictating it and FlickType has made it very easy to compose text messages and emails with my iPhone’s screen fairly quickly without the need for another keyboard. Just out of curiosity, how much do you use FlickType for input on your iDevice? I will certainly adapt to the loss of FlickType but my speed and accuracy of input is going to take a big hit. I did write an email to Phil Schiller expressing my concerns but realistically, I’m not holding my breath that it will make any difference. I do believe that users are responsible for providing feedback when an app’s accessibility is broken or an accessible app is totally withdrawn as in this case due to som
RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
Why do people have to be so intense and use terms like "choke hold" It's very simple, if you don't like the way Apple does things use an Android phone, but what's the point in these words or terms which are utterly subjective. I have used an iPhone since 2009 and not once have I felt "choked", if you have then I'm glad you now have an Android phone which gives you all the freedom to do exactly what you want although I am sure that even the grat platform of the Android OS has at least one or two drawbacks or maybe it is entirely perfect by now. Whatever works for the user is what you should use. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: August 23, 2021 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType Devin, I too have escaped the choke hold of Apple. My iPhone is used to play games that android does not have. I also get to continue using an accessible keyboard like Flick Type. And before I'm told I'm no longer welcome in the group, I still update my phone & participate in the public beta program. & use my iPad for my creative writing course. Donna Donna So, I can no longer participate in discussion just because I, who have been using Apple devices for years, no longer use mine regularly and promote the fact that Android is a viable alternative when huge issues of Apple's control pops up? I'm glad you're not a moderator. Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com<mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 12:21 PM Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote: I wrote him as well. I primarily use MBraille when I don't have a keybaord available. I do not mean to minimize the impact on dedicated FlickType users; and I wonder if somehow this issue between FlickType and the App Store/Apple was brought to mainstream media's attention if something more would be accomplished. I was partly reacting to someone who has already jumped ship to Android whom I hope stops contributing to Apple discussions if he is no longer going to use Apple products. Personally, I can braille faster than I could use FlickType, but I fully understand the impact it would make on me if MBraille had to go away because of some unknown issue with Apple, and I would have the same reaction you and others are having to FlickType's removal. But, I have bluetooth keyboards and braille displays to use if MBraille faced the same fate; so I still say, it is not the end of the world; but a damnable inconvenience, which probably should not have to happen. Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner website: www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com> On Aug 23, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote: Richard, While I agree that the loss of FlickType is not the end of the world, it’s going to dramatically impact how I use my iPhone. I much prefer typing my own content as opposed to dictating it and FlickType has made it very easy to compose text messages and emails with my iPhone’s screen fairly quickly without the need for another keyboard. Just out of curiosity, how much do you use FlickType for input on your iDevice? I will certainly adapt to the loss of FlickType but my speed and accuracy of input is going to take a big hit. I did write an email to Phil Schiller expressing my concerns but realistically, I’m not holding my breath that it will make any difference. I do believe that users are responsible for providing feedback when an app’s accessibility is broken or an accessible app is totally withdrawn as in this case due to some dispute with the App Store. I’ll continually encourage those in our community to provide this feedback because sometimes, the squeaky wheel does get the grease. Alan Lemly From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 10:06 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType I Very much doubt the millions of customers it would take to switch to the “somewhat dark side, grin” will do so, which is what it would take to impact Apple’s wallet. A few people switching to Android certainly won’t. I also doubt Flicktype will see the light of day again, which is too bad, but not the end of the world. Richard Software means never having to say you're finished Web site: www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C00cfddee64ca442c763c08d9664d951b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653305672275352%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=eB2qubx4zBNAL7YmcdMPTEK1OGvlKeOjd1EWvFk0C2I%3D=
RE: MBraille, was RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
Whether BSI, M-Braille or Flicktype, any of these require you to understand how they work and after that constant practice and not just for half an hour, but for hours and hours. It's just like correct touch typing on a full-size keyboard, some people can do 30 or 40 words a minute and others can do 100 or more or, according to Wikipedia, 216 words a minute back in 1946 on an IBM electric typewriter by Stella Pajunas-Garnand in Chicago. Here is an interesting blog article from the "Das Keyboard" website: The Fastest Typist in the World Wins the Ultimate Typing Championship<https://www.daskeyboard.com/blog/the-fastest-typist-in-the-world-wins-the-ultimate-typing-championship/> -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: August 24, 2021 2:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: MBraille, was RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType Thanks a lot. I will give it a try. I really like the concept of BSI, I just hope I will get the hang of this app. When I was playing around with BSI just trying out the alphabet in braille, one time I got it to work, and I was surprised at how fast I could type some of the letters. On 8/23/21, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote: > there is not really callibration but you have a few layouts. It is > much like BSI but I find it a bit easier. > I think you can get the app for free and get used to it before having > to consider purchasing it. > There is a lot of settings to customize it. > > > > Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." > -- Jane Wagner > > > > > > website: www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com> > > > On Aug 23, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Joshua Hendrickson > mailto:louv...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > That sounds very interesting. I tried the BSI thing, but just > couldn't get the hang of it. That sounds easier then flicktype. I > tried that and it was confusing. If I do get mbraille, I'll probably > have questions. Having a braille keyboard come up when I need to send > a text message would be very neat if I can figure out how to use it. > Also, doing web searches would also be very nice. Is there any > calibrating of fingers like in BSI? Thanks. > > On 8/23/21, Richard Turner > mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote: > MBraille is an app for writing braille on the screen like the Apple > Braille Input, though it has far more features. If you buy the full > version, it can be set as another keyboard; much like FlickType could > be an extra keyboard. > It has lots of what he calls "dot commands," so that by brailling the > braille period dots 2,5,6 followed by sms then a contact or a phone > number, you can send whatever you had written as a text message. > Or, dot mail followed by a subject in quotes or just a contact or an > email address you can send a mail message, all from within the app. > Or of course, once the keyboard is up, you can switch to it and just > write in the body of a text or email. > Those are what I use the most, but you can also do web searches from > the app, add calendar events, and save notes to Dropbox and on, and on. > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fapps. > apple.com%2Fus%2Fapp%2Fmbraille%2Fid639199558data=04%7C01%7C%7C26 > bc78bd273a4834b61b08d966b8ab39%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1% > 7C0%7C637653765605406064%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiL > CJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=7rGBjjD > 7WJ6Mk%2FS0OcNfpvjEY2%2BxrG1ZvJZP%2FnbPrOw%3Dreserved=0 > > I'll start a new thread if this continues to not be about flicktype. > > > > Richard > Software means never having to say you're finished > > Web site: > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu > rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C26bc78bd273a4834b61b08d966b8ab39%7 > C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653765605416019%7CUnkno > wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL > CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=zFUuWxKTdNGPv1yNUvScwDnnUPwjE%2F6ovxeZ7 > wPhizs%3Dreserved=0 > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of > Joshua Hendrickson > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 1:38 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType > > Richard, what is
Re: MBraille, was RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
Thanks a lot. I will give it a try. I really like the concept of BSI, I just hope I will get the hang of this app. When I was playing around with BSI just trying out the alphabet in braille, one time I got it to work, and I was surprised at how fast I could type some of the letters. On 8/23/21, Richard Turner wrote: > there is not really callibration but you have a few layouts. It is much like > BSI but I find it a bit easier. > I think you can get the app for free and get used to it before having to > consider purchasing it. > There is a lot of settings to customize it. > > > > Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." > -- Jane Wagner > > > > > > website: www.turner42.com > > > On Aug 23, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: > > That sounds very interesting. I tried the BSI thing, but just > couldn't get the hang of it. That sounds easier then flicktype. I > tried that and it was confusing. If I do get mbraille, I'll probably > have questions. Having a braille keyboard come up when I need to send > a text message would be very neat if I can figure out how to use it. > Also, doing web searches would also be very nice. Is there any > calibrating of fingers like in BSI? Thanks. > > On 8/23/21, Richard Turner wrote: > MBraille is an app for writing braille on the screen like the Apple Braille > Input, though it has far more features. If you buy the full version, it > can > be set as another keyboard; much like FlickType could be an extra keyboard. > It has lots of what he calls "dot commands," so that by brailling the > braille period dots 2,5,6 followed by sms then a contact or a phone number, > you can send whatever you had written as a text message. > Or, dot mail followed by a subject in quotes or just a contact or an email > address you can send a mail message, all from within the app. > Or of course, once the keyboard is up, you can switch to it and just write > in the body of a text or email. > Those are what I use the most, but you can also do web searches from the > app, add calendar events, and save notes to Dropbox and on, and on. > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fus%2Fapp%2Fmbraille%2Fid639199558data=04%7C01%7C%7C26bc78bd273a4834b61b08d966b8ab39%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653765605406064%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=7rGBjjD7WJ6Mk%2FS0OcNfpvjEY2%2BxrG1ZvJZP%2FnbPrOw%3Dreserved=0 > > I'll start a new thread if this continues to not be about flicktype. > > > > Richard > Software means never having to say you're finished > > Web site: > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C26bc78bd273a4834b61b08d966b8ab39%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653765605416019%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=zFUuWxKTdNGPv1yNUvScwDnnUPwjE%2F6ovxeZ7wPhizs%3Dreserved=0 > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Joshua Hendrickson > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 1:38 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType > > Richard, what is m-braille? > > On 8/23/21, Dennis Long wrote: > Richard I completely agree with you. It took me years to see that. I > used Android for years. Will Google ever catch up? Doubtful. Could > they yes if Apple took years off and Google actually did something. > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 11:26 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType > > > > Let us not lose sight of the fact they are actually putting more and > more into accessibility. It may not be your accessibility, but over > all, they are way out in front in this area. > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard > > Software means never having to say you're finished > > > > Web site: > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C26bc78bd273a4834b61b08d966b8ab39%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653765605416019%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=Izt1c6OPyv3CcdHclsosLzL1Ylixl2FYyM0cOW8aMFo%3Dreserved=0 > urner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C49e4ac223b9e44c6480908d96675ea18% > 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653478886334031%7CUnkn > own%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwi > LCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=N0WhyNPZXMBK
Re: MBraille, was RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
there is not really callibration but you have a few layouts. It is much like BSI but I find it a bit easier. I think you can get the app for free and get used to it before having to consider purchasing it. There is a lot of settings to customize it. Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner website: www.turner42.com On Aug 23, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: That sounds very interesting. I tried the BSI thing, but just couldn't get the hang of it. That sounds easier then flicktype. I tried that and it was confusing. If I do get mbraille, I'll probably have questions. Having a braille keyboard come up when I need to send a text message would be very neat if I can figure out how to use it. Also, doing web searches would also be very nice. Is there any calibrating of fingers like in BSI? Thanks. On 8/23/21, Richard Turner wrote: MBraille is an app for writing braille on the screen like the Apple Braille Input, though it has far more features. If you buy the full version, it can be set as another keyboard; much like FlickType could be an extra keyboard. It has lots of what he calls "dot commands," so that by brailling the braille period dots 2,5,6 followed by sms then a contact or a phone number, you can send whatever you had written as a text message. Or, dot mail followed by a subject in quotes or just a contact or an email address you can send a mail message, all from within the app. Or of course, once the keyboard is up, you can switch to it and just write in the body of a text or email. Those are what I use the most, but you can also do web searches from the app, add calendar events, and save notes to Dropbox and on, and on. https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fus%2Fapp%2Fmbraille%2Fid639199558data=04%7C01%7C%7C26bc78bd273a4834b61b08d966b8ab39%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653765605406064%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=7rGBjjD7WJ6Mk%2FS0OcNfpvjEY2%2BxrG1ZvJZP%2FnbPrOw%3Dreserved=0 I'll start a new thread if this continues to not be about flicktype. Richard Software means never having to say you're finished Web site: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C26bc78bd273a4834b61b08d966b8ab39%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653765605416019%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=zFUuWxKTdNGPv1yNUvScwDnnUPwjE%2F6ovxeZ7wPhizs%3Dreserved=0 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 1:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType Richard, what is m-braille? On 8/23/21, Dennis Long wrote: Richard I completely agree with you. It took me years to see that. I used Android for years. Will Google ever catch up? Doubtful. Could they yes if Apple took years off and Google actually did something. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 11:26 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType Let us not lose sight of the fact they are actually putting more and more into accessibility. It may not be your accessibility, but over all, they are way out in front in this area. Richard Software means never having to say you're finished Web site: <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C26bc78bd273a4834b61b08d966b8ab39%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653765605416019%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=Izt1c6OPyv3CcdHclsosLzL1Ylixl2FYyM0cOW8aMFo%3Dreserved=0 urner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C49e4ac223b9e44c6480908d96675ea18% 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653478886334031%7CUnkn own%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwi LCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=N0WhyNPZXMBKCVeqvp9zAKrOl7MJOHVyCle6BL Nyqe8%3Dreserved=0> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C26bc78bd273a4834b61b08d966b8ab39%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653765605416019%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=LgZgS8WDHw4ZjKeyyXI%2BgmLUbVh%2Fm3kWzCG1QKqcQNg%3Dreserved=0 rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C49e4ac223b9e44c6480908d96675ea18%7 C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653478886334031%7CUnkno wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=N0WhyNPZXMBKCVeqvp9zAKrOl7MJOHVyCle6BLN yqe8%3Dreserved=0 From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com&g
Re: MBraille, was RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
That sounds very interesting. I tried the BSI thing, but just couldn't get the hang of it. That sounds easier then flicktype. I tried that and it was confusing. If I do get mbraille, I'll probably have questions. Having a braille keyboard come up when I need to send a text message would be very neat if I can figure out how to use it. Also, doing web searches would also be very nice. Is there any calibrating of fingers like in BSI? Thanks. On 8/23/21, Richard Turner wrote: > MBraille is an app for writing braille on the screen like the Apple Braille > Input, though it has far more features. If you buy the full version, it can > be set as another keyboard; much like FlickType could be an extra keyboard. > It has lots of what he calls "dot commands," so that by brailling the > braille period dots 2,5,6 followed by sms then a contact or a phone number, > you can send whatever you had written as a text message. > Or, dot mail followed by a subject in quotes or just a contact or an email > address you can send a mail message, all from within the app. > Or of course, once the keyboard is up, you can switch to it and just write > in the body of a text or email. > Those are what I use the most, but you can also do web searches from the > app, add calendar events, and save notes to Dropbox and on, and on. > > https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mbraille/id639199558 > > I'll start a new thread if this continues to not be about flicktype. > > > > Richard > Software means never having to say you're finished > > Web site: www.turner42.com > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Joshua Hendrickson > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 1:38 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType > > Richard, what is m-braille? > > On 8/23/21, Dennis Long wrote: >> Richard I completely agree with you. It took me years to see that. I >> used Android for years. Will Google ever catch up? Doubtful. Could >> they yes if Apple took years off and Google actually did something. >> >> >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Richard Turner >> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 11:26 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType >> >> >> >> Let us not lose sight of the fact they are actually putting more and >> more into accessibility. It may not be your accessibility, but over >> all, they are way out in front in this area. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Richard >> >> Software means never having to say you're finished >> >> >> >> Web site: >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t >> urner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C49e4ac223b9e44c6480908d96675ea18% >> 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653478886334031%7CUnkn >> own%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwi >> LCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=N0WhyNPZXMBKCVeqvp9zAKrOl7MJOHVyCle6BL >> Nyqe8%3Dreserved=0> >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu >> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C49e4ac223b9e44c6480908d96675ea18%7 >> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653478886334031%7CUnkno >> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL >> CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=N0WhyNPZXMBKCVeqvp9zAKrOl7MJOHVyCle6BLN >> yqe8%3Dreserved=0 >> >> >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On >> Behalf Of Devin Prater >> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 8:19 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType >> >> >> >> It's definitely not the end of the world, but I hope we won't continue >> having this type of problem, but something tells me we will as Apple's >> success grows and their App Store team has more and more they have to >> do and look out for. >> >> >> Devin Prater >> >> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> >> >> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 10:06 AM Richard Turner >> mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > >> wrote: >> >> I Very much doubt the millions of customers it would take to switch >> to the "somewhat dark side, grin" will do so, which is what it would >> take to impact Apple's wallet. A few people
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Donna, Out of curiosity, what Android keyboard is accessible and works like Flicktype? When I tried Android a a couple of years ago, no such keyboards were available. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhone with Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Donna Casteen Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 8:47:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType Devin, I too have escaped the choke hold of Apple. My iPhone is used to play games that android does not have. I also get to continue using an accessible keyboard like Flick Type. And before I'm told I'm no longer welcome in the group, I still update my phone & participate in the public beta program. & use my iPad for my creative writing course. Donna Donna So, I can no longer participate in discussion just because I, who have been using Apple devices for years, no longer use mine regularly and promote the fact that Android is a viable alternative when huge issues of Apple's control pops up? I'm glad you're not a moderator. Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com<mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 12:21 PM Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote: I wrote him as well. I primarily use MBraille when I don't have a keybaord available. I do not mean to minimize the impact on dedicated FlickType users; and I wonder if somehow this issue between FlickType and the App Store/Apple was brought to mainstream media's attention if something more would be accomplished. I was partly reacting to someone who has already jumped ship to Android whom I hope stops contributing to Apple discussions if he is no longer going to use Apple products. Personally, I can braille faster than I could use FlickType, but I fully understand the impact it would make on me if MBraille had to go away because of some unknown issue with Apple, and I would have the same reaction you and others are having to FlickType's removal. But, I have bluetooth keyboards and braille displays to use if MBraille faced the same fate; so I still say, it is not the end of the world; but a damnable inconvenience, which probably should not have to happen. Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner website: www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com> On Aug 23, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote: Richard, While I agree that the loss of FlickType is not the end of the world, it’s going to dramatically impact how I use my iPhone. I much prefer typing my own content as opposed to dictating it and FlickType has made it very easy to compose text messages and emails with my iPhone’s screen fairly quickly without the need for another keyboard. Just out of curiosity, how much do you use FlickType for input on your iDevice? I will certainly adapt to the loss of FlickType but my speed and accuracy of input is going to take a big hit. I did write an email to Phil Schiller expressing my concerns but realistically, I’m not holding my breath that it will make any difference. I do believe that users are responsible for providing feedback when an app’s accessibility is broken or an accessible app is totally withdrawn as in this case due to some dispute with the App Store. I’ll continually encourage those in our community to provide this feedback because sometimes, the squeaky wheel does get the grease. Alan Lemly From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 10:06 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType I Very much doubt the millions of customers it would take to switch to the “somewhat dark side, grin” will do so, which is what it would take to impact Apple’s wallet. A few people switching to Android certainly won’t. I also doubt Flicktype will see the light of day again, which is too bad, but not the end of the world. Richard Software means never having to say you're finished Web site: www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C00cfddee64ca442c763c08d9664d951b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653305672275352%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=eB2qubx4zBNAL7YmcdMPTEK1OGvlKeOjd1EWvFk0C2I%3D=0> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 7:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType I voted with my
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Devin, I too have escaped the choke hold of Apple. My iPhone is used to play games that android does not have. I also get to continue using an accessible keyboard like Flick Type. And before I'm told I'm no longer welcome in the group, I still update my phone & participate in the public beta program. & use my iPad for my creative writing course. Donna Donna > > > So, I can no longer participate in discussion just because I, who have been > using Apple devices for years, no longer use mine regularly and promote the > fact that Android is a viable alternative when huge issues of Apple's control > pops up? I'm glad you're not a moderator. > Devin Prater > r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com > gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ > > > >> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 12:21 PM Richard Turner >> wrote: >> I wrote him as well. I primarily use MBraille when I don't have a keybaord >> available. >> I do not mean to minimize the impact on dedicated FlickType users; and I >> wonder if somehow this issue between FlickType and the App Store/Apple was >> brought to mainstream media's attention if something more would be >> accomplished. >> I was partly reacting to someone who has already jumped ship to Android whom >> I hope stops contributing to Apple discussions if he is no longer going to >> use Apple products. >> Personally, I can braille faster than I could use FlickType, but I fully >> understand the impact it would make on me if MBraille had to go away because >> of some unknown issue with Apple, and I would have the same reaction you and >> others are having to FlickType's removal. >> But, I have bluetooth keyboards and braille displays to use if MBraille >> faced the same fate; so I still say, it is not the end of the world; but a >> damnable inconvenience, which probably should not have to happen. >> >> >> >> Richard >> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." >> -- Jane Wagner >> >> >> >> >> >> website: www.turner42.com >> >> >>> On Aug 23, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Alan Lemly wrote: >>> >>> >>> Richard, >>> >>> >>> >>> While I agree that the loss of FlickType is not the end of the world, it’s >>> going to dramatically impact how I use my iPhone. I much prefer typing my >>> own content as opposed to dictating it and FlickType has made it very easy >>> to compose text messages and emails with my iPhone’s screen fairly quickly >>> without the need for another keyboard. >>> >>> >>> >>> Just out of curiosity, how much do you use FlickType for input on your >>> iDevice? >>> >>> >>> >>> I will certainly adapt to the loss of FlickType but my speed and accuracy >>> of input is going to take a big hit. I did write an email to Phil Schiller >>> expressing my concerns but realistically, I’m not holding my breath that it >>> will make any difference. I do believe that users are responsible for >>> providing feedback when an app’s accessibility is broken or an accessible >>> app is totally withdrawn as in this case due to some dispute with the App >>> Store. I’ll continually encourage those in our community to provide this >>> feedback because sometimes, the squeaky wheel does get the grease. >>> >>> >>> >>> Alan Lemly >>> >>> >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>> Richard Turner >>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 10:06 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType >>> >>> >>> >>> I Very much doubt the millions of customers it would take to switch to the >>> “somewhat dark side, grin” will do so, which is what it would take to >>> impact Apple’s wallet. A few people switching to Android certainly won’t. >>> >>> >>> >>> I also doubt Flicktype will see the light of day again, which is too bad, >>> but not the end of the world. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> Software means never having to say you're finished >>> >>> >>> Web site: www.turner42.com >>> >>> >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>> Devin Prater >>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 7:38 AM >&
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It’s an additional keyboard you can install. You can use it as a braille keyboard, so if you are familiar with writing in braille, you’re golden. Keep in mind it costs $40 to get this capability. No thank you! Sure it is nice, but I like BSI. Sent from my iPhone Pro Max > On Aug 23, 2021, at 4:38 PM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: > > Richard, what is m-braille? > >> On 8/23/21, Dennis Long wrote: >> Richard I completely agree with you. It took me years to see that. I used >> Android for years. Will Google ever catch up? Doubtful. Could they yes if >> Apple took years off and Google actually did something. >> >> >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Richard Turner >> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 11:26 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType >> >> >> >> Let us not lose sight of the fact they are actually putting more and more >> into accessibility. It may not be your accessibility, but over all, they >> are way out in front in this area. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Richard >> >> Software means never having to say you're finished >> >> >> >> Web site: <http://www.turner42.com> www.turner42.com >> >> >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of >> Devin Prater >> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 8:19 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType >> >> >> >> It's definitely not the end of the world, but I hope we won't continue >> having this type of problem, but something tells me we will as Apple's >> success grows and their App Store team has more and more they have to do and >> look out for. >> >> >> Devin Prater >> >> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> >> >> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 10:06 AM Richard Turner > <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote: >> >> I Very much doubt the millions of customers it would take to switch to the >> “somewhat dark side, grin” will do so, which is what it would take to impact >> Apple’s wallet. A few people switching to Android certainly won’t. >> >> >> >> I also doubt Flicktype will see the light of day again, which is too bad, >> but not the end of the world. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Richard >> >> Software means never having to say you're finished >> >> >> >> Web site: >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C9421cc6f60b94273a6d508d96649572f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653287460182721%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=qNaetvSJ4C%2FnaFO8NDAPjKFfuyXRXeRTfvjVjqpCGy4%3D=0> >> www.turner42.com >> >> >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of >> Devin Prater >> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 7:38 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType >> >> >> >> I voted with my wallet and went with Android. Sure, it's got its rough >> edges, but at least I control what is on my phone, what can go on my phone, >> what app stores are on my phone, and can even play the video games I'm good >> at, on my phone. Its not perfect as I said, but I have control, and Apple, >> or Google for that matter, cannot take it away. I think the only way Apple >> will change so drastically is if they notice a decrease in money. Their App >> Store is very dear to them as a money-making ability, so I doubt a few >> people complaining about a specialized app will move them. After all, >> thousands of people complaining about CSAM hasn't, and thousands complaining >> about fortnight hasn't either. If it does, though, that's great. But if not, >> prepare to vote with your money. Android isn't as dark a side as you think. >> :) >> >> >> Devin Prater >> >> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> >> >> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/
MBraille, was RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
MBraille is an app for writing braille on the screen like the Apple Braille Input, though it has far more features. If you buy the full version, it can be set as another keyboard; much like FlickType could be an extra keyboard. It has lots of what he calls "dot commands," so that by brailling the braille period dots 2,5,6 followed by sms then a contact or a phone number, you can send whatever you had written as a text message. Or, dot mail followed by a subject in quotes or just a contact or an email address you can send a mail message, all from within the app. Or of course, once the keyboard is up, you can switch to it and just write in the body of a text or email. Those are what I use the most, but you can also do web searches from the app, add calendar events, and save notes to Dropbox and on, and on. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mbraille/id639199558 I'll start a new thread if this continues to not be about flicktype. Richard Software means never having to say you're finished Web site: www.turner42.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 1:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType Richard, what is m-braille? On 8/23/21, Dennis Long wrote: > Richard I completely agree with you. It took me years to see that. I > used Android for years. Will Google ever catch up? Doubtful. Could > they yes if Apple took years off and Google actually did something. > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 11:26 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType > > > > Let us not lose sight of the fact they are actually putting more and > more into accessibility. It may not be your accessibility, but over > all, they are way out in front in this area. > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard > > Software means never having to say you're finished > > > > Web site: > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t > urner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C49e4ac223b9e44c6480908d96675ea18% > 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653478886334031%7CUnkn > own%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwi > LCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=N0WhyNPZXMBKCVeqvp9zAKrOl7MJOHVyCle6BL > Nyqe8%3Dreserved=0> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu > rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C49e4ac223b9e44c6480908d96675ea18%7 > C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653478886334031%7CUnkno > wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL > CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=N0WhyNPZXMBKCVeqvp9zAKrOl7MJOHVyCle6BLN > yqe8%3Dreserved=0 > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On > Behalf Of Devin Prater > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 8:19 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType > > > > It's definitely not the end of the world, but I hope we won't continue > having this type of problem, but something tells me we will as Apple's > success grows and their App Store team has more and more they have to > do and look out for. > > > Devin Prater > > r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > > gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 10:06 AM Richard Turner > mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote: > > I Very much doubt the millions of customers it would take to switch > to the "somewhat dark side, grin" will do so, which is what it would > take to impact Apple's wallet. A few people switching to Android certainly > won't. > > > > I also doubt Flicktype will see the light of day again, which is too > bad, but not the end of the world. > > > > > > > > Richard > > Software means never having to say you're finished > > > > Web site: > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t > urner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C49e4ac223b9e44c6480908d96675ea18% > 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653478886334031%7CUnkn > own%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwi > LCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=N0WhyNPZXMBKCVeqvp9zAKrOl7MJOHVyCle6BL > Nyqe8%3Dreserved=0> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu > rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C49e4ac223b9e44c6480908d96675ea18%7 > C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653478886334031%7CUnkno > wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d
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Richard, what is m-braille? On 8/23/21, Dennis Long wrote: > Richard I completely agree with you. It took me years to see that. I used > Android for years. Will Google ever catch up? Doubtful. Could they yes if > Apple took years off and Google actually did something. > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 11:26 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType > > > > Let us not lose sight of the fact they are actually putting more and more > into accessibility. It may not be your accessibility, but over all, they > are way out in front in this area. > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard > > Software means never having to say you're finished > > > > Web site: <http://www.turner42.com> www.turner42.com > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of > Devin Prater > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 8:19 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType > > > > It's definitely not the end of the world, but I hope we won't continue > having this type of problem, but something tells me we will as Apple's > success grows and their App Store team has more and more they have to do and > look out for. > > > Devin Prater > > r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > > gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 10:06 AM Richard Turner <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote: > > I Very much doubt the millions of customers it would take to switch to the > “somewhat dark side, grin” will do so, which is what it would take to impact > Apple’s wallet. A few people switching to Android certainly won’t. > > > > I also doubt Flicktype will see the light of day again, which is too bad, > but not the end of the world. > > > > > > > > Richard > > Software means never having to say you're finished > > > > Web site: > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C9421cc6f60b94273a6d508d96649572f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653287460182721%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=qNaetvSJ4C%2FnaFO8NDAPjKFfuyXRXeRTfvjVjqpCGy4%3D=0> > www.turner42.com > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of > Devin Prater > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 7:38 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType > > > > I voted with my wallet and went with Android. Sure, it's got its rough > edges, but at least I control what is on my phone, what can go on my phone, > what app stores are on my phone, and can even play the video games I'm good > at, on my phone. Its not perfect as I said, but I have control, and Apple, > or Google for that matter, cannot take it away. I think the only way Apple > will change so drastically is if they notice a decrease in money. Their App > Store is very dear to them as a money-making ability, so I doubt a few > people complaining about a specialized app will move them. After all, > thousands of people complaining about CSAM hasn't, and thousands complaining > about fortnight hasn't either. If it does, though, that's great. But if not, > prepare to vote with your money. Android isn't as dark a side as you think. > :) > > > Devin Prater > > r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > > gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 12:35 AM 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone > mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote: > > Jonathan Mosen is urging as many of us as possible to email Apple’s Phil > Schiller schil...@apple.com <mailto:schil...@apple.com> to urge him to > intervene personally to sort out the problems leading to the developer of > FlickType withdrawing his app after his updates were rejected for mystifying > reasons. > Regards > Harry > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. M
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Richard I completely agree with you. It took me years to see that. I used Android for years. Will Google ever catch up? Doubtful. Could they yes if Apple took years off and Google actually did something. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 11:26 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType Let us not lose sight of the fact they are actually putting more and more into accessibility. It may not be your accessibility, but over all, they are way out in front in this area. Richard Software means never having to say you're finished Web site: <http://www.turner42.com> www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 8:19 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType It's definitely not the end of the world, but I hope we won't continue having this type of problem, but something tells me we will as Apple's success grows and their App Store team has more and more they have to do and look out for. Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 10:06 AM Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote: I Very much doubt the millions of customers it would take to switch to the “somewhat dark side, grin” will do so, which is what it would take to impact Apple’s wallet. A few people switching to Android certainly won’t. I also doubt Flicktype will see the light of day again, which is too bad, but not the end of the world. Richard Software means never having to say you're finished Web site: <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C9421cc6f60b94273a6d508d96649572f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653287460182721%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=qNaetvSJ4C%2FnaFO8NDAPjKFfuyXRXeRTfvjVjqpCGy4%3D=0> www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 7:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType I voted with my wallet and went with Android. Sure, it's got its rough edges, but at least I control what is on my phone, what can go on my phone, what app stores are on my phone, and can even play the video games I'm good at, on my phone. Its not perfect as I said, but I have control, and Apple, or Google for that matter, cannot take it away. I think the only way Apple will change so drastically is if they notice a decrease in money. Their App Store is very dear to them as a money-making ability, so I doubt a few people complaining about a specialized app will move them. After all, thousands of people complaining about CSAM hasn't, and thousands complaining about fortnight hasn't either. If it does, though, that's great. But if not, prepare to vote with your money. Android isn't as dark a side as you think. :) Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 12:35 AM 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote: Jonathan Mosen is urging as many of us as possible to email Apple’s Phil Schiller schil...@apple.com <mailto:schil...@apple.com> to urge him to intervene personally to sort out the problems leading to the developer of FlickType withdrawing his app after his updates were rejected for mystifying reasons. Regards Harry -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C9421cc6f60b94273a6d508d96649572f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653287460192672%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=2PiRPMwU%2FQOBsfTUzKmGHHGRfda3hv6%2Bz2EPWzqhQM0%3D=0>
Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
So, I can no longer participate in discussion just because I, who have been using Apple devices for years, no longer use mine regularly and promote the fact that Android is a viable alternative when huge issues of Apple's control pops up? I'm glad you're not a moderator. Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 12:21 PM Richard Turner wrote: > I wrote him as well. I primarily use MBraille when I don't have a > keybaord available. > I do not mean to minimize the impact on dedicated FlickType users; and I > wonder if somehow this issue between FlickType and the App Store/Apple was > brought to mainstream media's attention if something more would be > accomplished. > I was partly reacting to someone who has already jumped ship to Android > whom I hope stops contributing to Apple discussions if he is no longer > going to use Apple products. > Personally, I can braille faster than I could use FlickType, but I fully > understand the impact it would make on me if MBraille had to go away > because of some unknown issue with Apple, and I would have the same > reaction you and others are having to FlickType's removal. > But, I have bluetooth keyboards and braille displays to use if MBraille > faced the same fate; so I still say, it is not the end of the world; but a > damnable inconvenience, which probably should not have to happen. > > > > Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with > it." -- Jane Wagner > > > > > > website: www.turner42.com > > > On Aug 23, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Alan Lemly wrote: > > > > Richard, > > > > While I agree that the loss of FlickType is not the end of the world, it’s > going to dramatically impact how I use my iPhone. I much prefer typing my > own content as opposed to dictating it and FlickType has made it very easy > to compose text messages and emails with my iPhone’s screen fairly quickly > without the need for another keyboard. > > > > Just out of curiosity, how much do you use FlickType for input on your > iDevice? > > > > I will certainly adapt to the loss of FlickType but my speed and accuracy > of input is going to take a big hit. I did write an email to Phil Schiller > expressing my concerns but realistically, I’m not holding my breath that it > will make any difference. I do believe that users are responsible for > providing feedback when an app’s accessibility is broken or an accessible > app is totally withdrawn as in this case due to some dispute with the App > Store. I’ll continually encourage those in our community to provide this > feedback because sometimes, the squeaky wheel does get the grease. > > > > Alan Lemly > > > > *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com *On Behalf Of > *Richard Turner > *Sent:* Monday, August 23, 2021 10:06 AM > *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType > > > > I Very much doubt the millions of customers it would take to switch to > the “somewhat dark side, grin” will do so, which is what it would take to > impact Apple’s wallet. A few people switching to Android certainly won’t. > > > > I also doubt Flicktype will see the light of day again, which is too bad, > but not the end of the world. > > > > > > > > Richard > > Software means never having to say you're finished > > > > Web site: www.turner42.com > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C00cfddee64ca442c763c08d9664d951b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653305672275352%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=eB2qubx4zBNAL7YmcdMPTEK1OGvlKeOjd1EWvFk0C2I%3D=0> > > > > *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com *On Behalf Of > *Devin Prater > *Sent:* Monday, August 23, 2021 7:38 AM > *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType > > > > I voted with my wallet and went with Android. Sure, it's got its rough > edges, but at least I control what is on my phone, what can go on my phone, > what app stores are on my phone, and can even play the video games I'm good > at, on my phone. Its not perfect as I said, but I have control, and Apple, > or Google for that matter, cannot take it away. I think the only way Apple > will change so drastically is if they notice a decrease in money. Their App > Store is very dear to them as a money-making ability, so I doubt a few > people complaining about a specialized app will move them. After all, > thousands of people complaining about CSAM hasn't, and thousands > complaining about fortnight hasn't either. If it
Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
I wrote him as well. I primarily use MBraille when I don't have a keybaord available. I do not mean to minimize the impact on dedicated FlickType users; and I wonder if somehow this issue between FlickType and the App Store/Apple was brought to mainstream media's attention if something more would be accomplished. I was partly reacting to someone who has already jumped ship to Android whom I hope stops contributing to Apple discussions if he is no longer going to use Apple products. Personally, I can braille faster than I could use FlickType, but I fully understand the impact it would make on me if MBraille had to go away because of some unknown issue with Apple, and I would have the same reaction you and others are having to FlickType's removal. But, I have bluetooth keyboards and braille displays to use if MBraille faced the same fate; so I still say, it is not the end of the world; but a damnable inconvenience, which probably should not have to happen. Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner website: www.turner42.com On Aug 23, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Alan Lemly wrote: Richard, While I agree that the loss of FlickType is not the end of the world, it’s going to dramatically impact how I use my iPhone. I much prefer typing my own content as opposed to dictating it and FlickType has made it very easy to compose text messages and emails with my iPhone’s screen fairly quickly without the need for another keyboard. Just out of curiosity, how much do you use FlickType for input on your iDevice? I will certainly adapt to the loss of FlickType but my speed and accuracy of input is going to take a big hit. I did write an email to Phil Schiller expressing my concerns but realistically, I’m not holding my breath that it will make any difference. I do believe that users are responsible for providing feedback when an app’s accessibility is broken or an accessible app is totally withdrawn as in this case due to some dispute with the App Store. I’ll continually encourage those in our community to provide this feedback because sometimes, the squeaky wheel does get the grease. Alan Lemly From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 10:06 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType I Very much doubt the millions of customers it would take to switch to the “somewhat dark side, grin” will do so, which is what it would take to impact Apple’s wallet. A few people switching to Android certainly won’t. I also doubt Flicktype will see the light of day again, which is too bad, but not the end of the world. Richard Software means never having to say you're finished Web site: www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C00cfddee64ca442c763c08d9664d951b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653305672275352%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=eB2qubx4zBNAL7YmcdMPTEK1OGvlKeOjd1EWvFk0C2I%3D=0> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 7:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType I voted with my wallet and went with Android. Sure, it's got its rough edges, but at least I control what is on my phone, what can go on my phone, what app stores are on my phone, and can even play the video games I'm good at, on my phone. Its not perfect as I said, but I have control, and Apple, or Google for that matter, cannot take it away. I think the only way Apple will change so drastically is if they notice a decrease in money. Their App Store is very dear to them as a money-making ability, so I doubt a few people complaining about a specialized app will move them. After all, thousands of people complaining about CSAM hasn't, and thousands complaining about fortnight hasn't either. If it does, though, that's great. But if not, prepare to vote with your money. Android isn't as dark a side as you think. :) Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com<mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 12:35 AM 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote: Jonathan Mosen is urging as many of us as possible to email Apple’s Phil Schiller schil...@apple.com<mailto:schil...@apple.com> to urge him to intervene personally to sort out the problems leading to the developer of FlickType withdrawing his app after his updates were rejected for mystifying reasons. Regards Harry -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel t
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Hmm, I'm not sure how Apple's success can grow much more! This whole issue may all change if the Open App Market Act passes. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 10:19 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType It's definitely not the end of the world, but I hope we won't continue having this type of problem, but something tells me we will as Apple's success grows and their App Store team has more and more they have to do and look out for. Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com<mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 10:06 AM Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote: I Very much doubt the millions of customers it would take to switch to the "somewhat dark side, grin" will do so, which is what it would take to impact Apple's wallet. A few people switching to Android certainly won't. I also doubt Flicktype will see the light of day again, which is too bad, but not the end of the world. Richard Software means never having to say you're finished Web site: www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C431b3e5b90bb429c096908d96649567e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653287438180324%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=vjoWour5ghKAIk1ZF6wPoorAAZYENwNFN04wL9%2BdUgA%3D=0> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 7:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType I voted with my wallet and went with Android. Sure, it's got its rough edges, but at least I control what is on my phone, what can go on my phone, what app stores are on my phone, and can even play the video games I'm good at, on my phone. Its not perfect as I said, but I have control, and Apple, or Google for that matter, cannot take it away. I think the only way Apple will change so drastically is if they notice a decrease in money. Their App Store is very dear to them as a money-making ability, so I doubt a few people complaining about a specialized app will move them. After all, thousands of people complaining about CSAM hasn't, and thousands complaining about fortnight hasn't either. If it does, though, that's great. But if not, prepare to vote with your money. Android isn't as dark a side as you think. :) Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com<mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 12:35 AM 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote: Jonathan Mosen is urging as many of us as possible to email Apple's Phil Schiller schil...@apple.com<mailto:schil...@apple.com> to urge him to intervene personally to sort out the problems leading to the developer of FlickType withdrawing his app after his updates were rejected for mystifying reasons. Regards Harry -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C431b3e5b90bb429c096908d96649567e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653287438190283%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=iSInPZum4lF121eF2duOqeZL72crfYpVLhGFHH3hd1Q%3D=0> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/A3E63E2A-7CB4-4695-BD4D-824B226C5E02%40icloud.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FA3E63E2A-7CB4-4695-BD4D-824B226C5E02%2540icloud.com=04%7C01%7C%7C431b3e5b90bb429c096908d96649567e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653287438190283%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJ
RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
Richard, While I agree that the loss of FlickType is not the end of the world, it’s going to dramatically impact how I use my iPhone. I much prefer typing my own content as opposed to dictating it and FlickType has made it very easy to compose text messages and emails with my iPhone’s screen fairly quickly without the need for another keyboard. Just out of curiosity, how much do you use FlickType for input on your iDevice? I will certainly adapt to the loss of FlickType but my speed and accuracy of input is going to take a big hit. I did write an email to Phil Schiller expressing my concerns but realistically, I’m not holding my breath that it will make any difference. I do believe that users are responsible for providing feedback when an app’s accessibility is broken or an accessible app is totally withdrawn as in this case due to some dispute with the App Store. I’ll continually encourage those in our community to provide this feedback because sometimes, the squeaky wheel does get the grease. Alan Lemly From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 10:06 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType I Very much doubt the millions of customers it would take to switch to the “somewhat dark side, grin” will do so, which is what it would take to impact Apple’s wallet. A few people switching to Android certainly won’t. I also doubt Flicktype will see the light of day again, which is too bad, but not the end of the world. Richard Software means never having to say you're finished Web site: <http://www.turner42.com> www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 7:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType I voted with my wallet and went with Android. Sure, it's got its rough edges, but at least I control what is on my phone, what can go on my phone, what app stores are on my phone, and can even play the video games I'm good at, on my phone. Its not perfect as I said, but I have control, and Apple, or Google for that matter, cannot take it away. I think the only way Apple will change so drastically is if they notice a decrease in money. Their App Store is very dear to them as a money-making ability, so I doubt a few people complaining about a specialized app will move them. After all, thousands of people complaining about CSAM hasn't, and thousands complaining about fortnight hasn't either. If it does, though, that's great. But if not, prepare to vote with your money. Android isn't as dark a side as you think. :) Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 12:35 AM 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote: Jonathan Mosen is urging as many of us as possible to email Apple’s Phil Schiller schil...@apple.com <mailto:schil...@apple.com> to urge him to intervene personally to sort out the problems leading to the developer of FlickType withdrawing his app after his updates were rejected for mystifying reasons. Regards Harry -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C96a0f696f85642ca4feb08d96643aab2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653263082507684%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=zTW43V%2F6HyWIGQriEHHbVi9ef2OArGCZPPG8vWUtmrM%3D=0> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/A3E63E2A-7CB4-4695-BD4D-824B226C5E02%40icloud.com <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FA3E63E2A-7CB4-4695
RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
Let us not lose sight of the fact they are actually putting more and more into accessibility. It may not be your accessibility, but over all, they are way out in front in this area. Richard Software means never having to say you're finished Web site: www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 8:19 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType It's definitely not the end of the world, but I hope we won't continue having this type of problem, but something tells me we will as Apple's success grows and their App Store team has more and more they have to do and look out for. Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com<mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 10:06 AM Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote: I Very much doubt the millions of customers it would take to switch to the "somewhat dark side, grin" will do so, which is what it would take to impact Apple's wallet. A few people switching to Android certainly won't. I also doubt Flicktype will see the light of day again, which is too bad, but not the end of the world. Richard Software means never having to say you're finished Web site: www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C9421cc6f60b94273a6d508d96649572f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653287460182721%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=qNaetvSJ4C%2FnaFO8NDAPjKFfuyXRXeRTfvjVjqpCGy4%3D=0> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 7:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType I voted with my wallet and went with Android. Sure, it's got its rough edges, but at least I control what is on my phone, what can go on my phone, what app stores are on my phone, and can even play the video games I'm good at, on my phone. Its not perfect as I said, but I have control, and Apple, or Google for that matter, cannot take it away. I think the only way Apple will change so drastically is if they notice a decrease in money. Their App Store is very dear to them as a money-making ability, so I doubt a few people complaining about a specialized app will move them. After all, thousands of people complaining about CSAM hasn't, and thousands complaining about fortnight hasn't either. If it does, though, that's great. But if not, prepare to vote with your money. Android isn't as dark a side as you think. :) Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com<mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 12:35 AM 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote: Jonathan Mosen is urging as many of us as possible to email Apple's Phil Schiller schil...@apple.com<mailto:schil...@apple.com> to urge him to intervene personally to sort out the problems leading to the developer of FlickType withdrawing his app after his updates were rejected for mystifying reasons. Regards Harry -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C9421cc6f60b94273a6d508d96649572f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653287460192672%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=2PiRPMwU%2FQOBsfTUzKmGHHGRfda3hv6%2Bz2EPWzqhQM0%3D=0> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/A3E63E2A-7CB4-4695-BD4D-824B226C5E02%40icloud.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FA3E63E2A-7CB4-4695-BD4D-824B226C5E02%2540icloud.com=04%7C01%7C%7
Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
It's definitely not the end of the world, but I hope we won't continue having this type of problem, but something tells me we will as Apple's success grows and their App Store team has more and more they have to do and look out for. Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 10:06 AM Richard Turner wrote: > I Very much doubt the millions of customers it would take to switch to > the “somewhat dark side, grin” will do so, which is what it would take to > impact Apple’s wallet. A few people switching to Android certainly won’t. > > > > I also doubt Flicktype will see the light of day again, which is too bad, > but not the end of the world. > > > > > > > > Richard > > Software means never having to say you're finished > > > > Web site: www.turner42.com > > > > *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com *On Behalf Of > *Devin Prater > *Sent:* Monday, August 23, 2021 7:38 AM > *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType > > > > I voted with my wallet and went with Android. Sure, it's got its rough > edges, but at least I control what is on my phone, what can go on my phone, > what app stores are on my phone, and can even play the video games I'm good > at, on my phone. Its not perfect as I said, but I have control, and Apple, > or Google for that matter, cannot take it away. I think the only way Apple > will change so drastically is if they notice a decrease in money. Their App > Store is very dear to them as a money-making ability, so I doubt a few > people complaining about a specialized app will move them. After all, > thousands of people complaining about CSAM hasn't, and thousands > complaining about fortnight hasn't either. If it does, though, that's > great. But if not, prepare to vote with your money. Android isn't as dark a > side as you think. :) > > Devin Prater > > r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com > > gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 12:35 AM 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone < > viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Jonathan Mosen is urging as many of us as possible to email Apple’s Phil > Schiller schil...@apple.com to urge him to intervene personally to sort > out the problems leading to the developer of FlickType withdrawing his app > after his updates were rejected for mystifying reasons. > Regards > Harry > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C96a0f696f85642ca4feb08d96643aab2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653263082507684%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=zTW43V%2F6HyWIGQriEHHbVi9ef2OArGCZPPG8vWUtmrM%3D=0> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/A3E63E2A-7CB4-4695-BD4D-824B226C5E02%40icloud.com > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FA3E63E2A-7CB4-4695-BD4D-824B226C5E02%2540icloud.com=04%7C01%7C%7C96a0f696f85642ca4feb08d96643aab2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653263082507684%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=NpG%2FnUm%2F0bSPV%2BewKLAEPrrrRiVXykkp4P7GC2qEURk%3D=0> > . > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > &
RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
I Very much doubt the millions of customers it would take to switch to the "somewhat dark side, grin" will do so, which is what it would take to impact Apple's wallet. A few people switching to Android certainly won't. I also doubt Flicktype will see the light of day again, which is too bad, but not the end of the world. Richard Software means never having to say you're finished Web site: www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 7:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType I voted with my wallet and went with Android. Sure, it's got its rough edges, but at least I control what is on my phone, what can go on my phone, what app stores are on my phone, and can even play the video games I'm good at, on my phone. Its not perfect as I said, but I have control, and Apple, or Google for that matter, cannot take it away. I think the only way Apple will change so drastically is if they notice a decrease in money. Their App Store is very dear to them as a money-making ability, so I doubt a few people complaining about a specialized app will move them. After all, thousands of people complaining about CSAM hasn't, and thousands complaining about fortnight hasn't either. If it does, though, that's great. But if not, prepare to vote with your money. Android isn't as dark a side as you think. :) Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com<mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 12:35 AM 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote: Jonathan Mosen is urging as many of us as possible to email Apple's Phil Schiller schil...@apple.com<mailto:schil...@apple.com> to urge him to intervene personally to sort out the problems leading to the developer of FlickType withdrawing his app after his updates were rejected for mystifying reasons. Regards Harry -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C96a0f696f85642ca4feb08d96643aab2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653263082507684%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=zTW43V%2F6HyWIGQriEHHbVi9ef2OArGCZPPG8vWUtmrM%3D=0> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/A3E63E2A-7CB4-4695-BD4D-824B226C5E02%40icloud.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FA3E63E2A-7CB4-4695-BD4D-824B226C5E02%2540icloud.com=04%7C01%7C%7C96a0f696f85642ca4feb08d96643aab2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653263082507684%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=NpG%2FnUm%2F0bSPV%2BewKLAEPrrrRiVXykkp4P7GC2qEURk%3D=0>. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C96a0f696f85642ca4feb08d96643aab2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653263082517647%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=plXvsxgNhzO3HYP1R%2FdrPDOOJexc9577TAnHoQoPZc0%3D=0> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.
Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
I voted with my wallet and went with Android. Sure, it's got its rough edges, but at least I control what is on my phone, what can go on my phone, what app stores are on my phone, and can even play the video games I'm good at, on my phone. Its not perfect as I said, but I have control, and Apple, or Google for that matter, cannot take it away. I think the only way Apple will change so drastically is if they notice a decrease in money. Their App Store is very dear to them as a money-making ability, so I doubt a few people complaining about a specialized app will move them. After all, thousands of people complaining about CSAM hasn't, and thousands complaining about fortnight hasn't either. If it does, though, that's great. But if not, prepare to vote with your money. Android isn't as dark a side as you think. :) Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/ On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 12:35 AM 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone < viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Jonathan Mosen is urging as many of us as possible to email Apple’s Phil > Schiller schil...@apple.com to urge him to intervene personally to sort > out the problems leading to the developer of FlickType withdrawing his app > after his updates were rejected for mystifying reasons. > Regards > Harry > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/A3E63E2A-7CB4-4695-BD4D-824B226C5E02%40icloud.com > . > -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CAGJxbF6rDxObpuW1OiTo%3D8zgDRn4%3DO66O1XMx9BqGX83YBW-NA%40mail.gmail.com.
Lobbying Apple about FlickType
Jonathan Mosen is urging as many of us as possible to email Apple’s Phil Schiller schil...@apple.com to urge him to intervene personally to sort out the problems leading to the developer of FlickType withdrawing his app after his updates were rejected for mystifying reasons. Regards Harry -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/A3E63E2A-7CB4-4695-BD4D-824B226C5E02%40icloud.com.
