RE: Quiet rant of the morning
I agree with Sieghard except for the point about the learning curve. I got this same advice when I was using a Nokia phone after it was clear Symbian wasn't going to be around much longer. A learning curve is a learning curve no matter when you're going to hit it. As Sieghard says there are a lot of good reasons to update, but I don't consider getting the learning curve out of the weigh sooner is one of those reasons. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf > Of Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:20 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Quiet rant of the morning > > You forget that along with security fixes new updates don't only change things > and, as is true, sometimes introduce new bugs, they also introduce new > features. One I particular like in iOS 14 is the ability to give photos a > descriptive > caption. I only just upgraded so I'm sure I'll find more things I like along > with the > bugs, but just as with Windows, Jaws and any other operating system or > software, upgrading ultimately becomes inevitable and I personally prefer to > learn as I go, to potentially know about work-arounds rather than having to > make a huge jump if I'm forced to learn a new iOS which might be 2 or 3 > versions > ahead of what I had because maybe my old phone gave up the ghost or was > stolen and I had to get a new one which came with the latest version of iOS. > The same goes for Windows, on some of the lists I am on there seriously are > people who just upgraded from Windows XP to Windows 10 because their 15- > year old computer finally quit and now they are entirely helpless and face a > much larger learning curve than if they had already switched to Windows 7 and > to Windows 10 earlier. It's of course everybody's choice, but to rant about a > few > new bugs in a new iOS release does not add to the solution, upgrading and > reporting said bugs does that. And yes, I know also that many say they have > done so many times and why if bugs were reported throughout the beta cycle > are they still there in the public release, I don't know the answer to that > and it's > frustrating, but maybe it's simply because Apple software engineers didn't get > around to fixing them yet by the time the release date came and it's of course > just as useless to say that then the release date should have been postponed, > such dates are set well in advance and they are the reason why updates come > out throughout the year, there never will be a software release without bugs. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf > Of deidre muccio > Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 5:43 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Quiet rant of the morning > > Hello all, > I’m never one eager to update. I know that some here feel that the security > patches are very important and so they always make sure that they update. > However these little bugs that people continue to report, and the things that > never get repaired, that were not broken before, totally cause me to be > discouraged about where the heads are at around the programmers and the > beta testers that do this work on all our behalf. Minor structural changes > happen > over the years, Things like they give the tabs different names, and then they > put > the positioning of things such as delete versus remove in different places or > substitute them, or cause you to have to use different gestures to remove a > particular mail from a list of threaded emailsWhen it was so easy to do > before, > at least with voiceover. Who do these minor changes benefit when other things > could be corrected, such as things in the rotor… what about the inability to > select text using the line feature? for those of us using dictation, and not > always > a Bluetooth keyboard, the speech recognition capacity in my estimation has > greatly deteriorated since iOS 12. I find Siri is more and more cumbersome and > requires very specific syntax, which I’ve known all along was the case, but > siri > truly seems to have gotten less and less able to make sense out of the > simplest > requests. I find this totally baffling. And I’m not always mumbling either. > And > does it bother anyone else that if auto correct and auto predictive text > areturned off does the program still insist on putting parts of words phrases > and > pronouns in there that are absolutely never correct and require A lot of extra > time to edit them out? > There may indeed have been useful features in iOS 13, and now 14, but I was > happy with 12. From what I’ve been reading here in the last week or so, I have > no intention of updating to
Re: Quiet rant of the morning
I will definitely update my iPhone, but not just yet. Once the voice over bugs are worked out, then I'll consider updating. A lot of the new features in IOS14 won't apply to me because I'm using the iPhone 8. I can't believe people wouldn't have already switched from windows XP. I remember when windows7 came out. I heard all kinds of messages about how difficult it was to use. When I first got this computer, it didn't take me long at all to learn how to use windows7. The most annoying thing about getting a new computer in my opinion, is putting all your old programs you had on the old machine onto the new one. I should have kept more .exe files. Have a great day all, and happy using your iPhone's. On 9/20/20, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > You forget that along with security fixes new updates don't only change > things and, as is true, sometimes introduce new bugs, they also introduce > new features. One I particular like in iOS 14 is the ability to give photos > a descriptive caption. I only just upgraded so I'm sure I'll find more > things I like along with the bugs, but just as with Windows, Jaws and any > other operating system or software, upgrading ultimately becomes inevitable > and I personally prefer to learn as I go, to potentially know about > work-arounds rather than having to make a huge jump if I'm forced to learn a > new iOS which might be 2 or 3 versions ahead of what I had because maybe my > old phone gave up the ghost or was stolen and I had to get a new one which > came with the latest version of iOS. > The same goes for Windows, on some of the lists I am on there seriously are > people who just upgraded from Windows XP to Windows 10 because their 15-year > old computer finally quit and now they are entirely helpless and face a much > larger learning curve than if they had already switched to Windows 7 and to > Windows 10 earlier. It's of course everybody's choice, but to rant about a > few new bugs in a new iOS release does not add to the solution, upgrading > and reporting said bugs does that. And yes, I know also that many say they > have done so many times and why if bugs were reported throughout the beta > cycle are they still there in the public release, I don't know the answer to > that and it's frustrating, but maybe it's simply because Apple software > engineers didn't get around to fixing them yet by the time the release date > came and it's of course just as useless to say that then the release date > should have been postponed, such dates are set well in advance and they are > the reason why updates come out throughout the year, there never will be a > software release without bugs. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > deidre muccio > Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 5:43 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Quiet rant of the morning > > Hello all, > I’m never one eager to update. I know that some here feel that the security > patches are very important and so they always make sure that they update. > However these little bugs that people continue to report, and the things > that never get repaired, that were not broken before, totally cause me to be > discouraged about where the heads are at around the programmers and the beta > testers that do this work on all our behalf. Minor structural changes happen > over the years, Things like they give the tabs different names, and then > they put the positioning of things such as delete versus remove in different > places or substitute them, or cause you to have to use different gestures to > remove a particular mail from a list of threaded emailsWhen it was so easy > to do before, at least with voiceover. Who do these minor changes benefit > when other things could be corrected, such as things in the rotor… what > about the inability to select text using the line feature? for those of us > using dictation, and not always a Bluetooth keyboard, the speech recognition > capacity in my estimation has greatly deteriorated since iOS 12. I find Siri > is more and more cumbersome and requires very specific syntax, which I’ve > known all along was the case, but siri truly seems to have gotten less and > less able to make sense out of the simplest requests. I find this totally > baffling. And I’m not always mumbling either. And does it bother anyone else > that if auto correct and auto predictive text areturned off does the > program still insist on putting parts of words phrases and pronouns in there > that are absolutely never correct and require A lot of extra time to edit > them out? > There may indeed have been useful features in iOS 13, and now 14, but I was > happy with 12. From what I’ve been reading here in the last week or so, I > have no intention of updating to 14. I don’t have much patie
RE: Quiet rant of the morning
You forget that along with security fixes new updates don't only change things and, as is true, sometimes introduce new bugs, they also introduce new features. One I particular like in iOS 14 is the ability to give photos a descriptive caption. I only just upgraded so I'm sure I'll find more things I like along with the bugs, but just as with Windows, Jaws and any other operating system or software, upgrading ultimately becomes inevitable and I personally prefer to learn as I go, to potentially know about work-arounds rather than having to make a huge jump if I'm forced to learn a new iOS which might be 2 or 3 versions ahead of what I had because maybe my old phone gave up the ghost or was stolen and I had to get a new one which came with the latest version of iOS. The same goes for Windows, on some of the lists I am on there seriously are people who just upgraded from Windows XP to Windows 10 because their 15-year old computer finally quit and now they are entirely helpless and face a much larger learning curve than if they had already switched to Windows 7 and to Windows 10 earlier. It's of course everybody's choice, but to rant about a few new bugs in a new iOS release does not add to the solution, upgrading and reporting said bugs does that. And yes, I know also that many say they have done so many times and why if bugs were reported throughout the beta cycle are they still there in the public release, I don't know the answer to that and it's frustrating, but maybe it's simply because Apple software engineers didn't get around to fixing them yet by the time the release date came and it's of course just as useless to say that then the release date should have been postponed, such dates are set well in advance and they are the reason why updates come out throughout the year, there never will be a software release without bugs. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of deidre muccio Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 5:43 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Quiet rant of the morning Hello all, I’m never one eager to update. I know that some here feel that the security patches are very important and so they always make sure that they update. However these little bugs that people continue to report, and the things that never get repaired, that were not broken before, totally cause me to be discouraged about where the heads are at around the programmers and the beta testers that do this work on all our behalf. Minor structural changes happen over the years, Things like they give the tabs different names, and then they put the positioning of things such as delete versus remove in different places or substitute them, or cause you to have to use different gestures to remove a particular mail from a list of threaded emailsWhen it was so easy to do before, at least with voiceover. Who do these minor changes benefit when other things could be corrected, such as things in the rotor… what about the inability to select text using the line feature? for those of us using dictation, and not always a Bluetooth keyboard, the speech recognition capacity in my estimation has greatly deteriorated since iOS 12. I find Siri is more and more cumbersome and requires very specific syntax, which I’ve known all along was the case, but siri truly seems to have gotten less and less able to make sense out of the simplest requests. I find this totally baffling. And I’m not always mumbling either. And does it bother anyone else that if auto correct and auto predictive text areturned off does the program still insist on putting parts of words phrases and pronouns in there that are absolutely never correct and require A lot of extra time to edit them out? There may indeed have been useful features in iOS 13, and now 14, but I was happy with 12. From what I’ve been reading here in the last week or so, I have no intention of updating to 14. I don’t have much patience with work arounds that people have to do. Learning curve., I can cope with, but things that get broken and things that do not get fixed that could save me a gesture or two thatI’m all for, I find troublesome. There’s more I could say about the new SE 20, but I will refrain. It’s fortunate that I still love having an iphone, and I use it daily, in fact I use it every hour of every single day just about aside from when I happen to be sleeping… So there are still many pluses. Deirdre Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2020, at 4:33 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone > wrote: > > >> >> >>> >>> While using voice-over, when I go into the Apple podcasts app and >>> the podcast episodes in the listen now section, there seems to be no >>> way to flick to delete that particular episode as they used to be in >>> iOS 13. I can now double tap and hold and select either remove which >>> sounds scary or mar
RE: Quiet rant of the morning
Hi all: Thanks for sharing your troubles I also don't update right away. After reading I am going to wait. I have the 8plus phone and figure that there is not a reason to update and not running to buy a new phone as I am still paying it off. Keep sharing problems here thanks Louise and princess Kiara -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:21 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Quiet rant of the morning My Iphone updated itself to 13.7 when I had 12.41 on my iPhone for almost a year. I am really not having any issues with 13.7 at the moment. However, I don't intend to update to 14 just yet until some of the bugs get worked out. I'll probably wait until 14.7 or maybe higher. My iPhone 8 works just fine and as long as I can delete messages, voicemails, make phone calls, listen to music, and read my books, I'm all good. On 9/19/20, deidre muccio wrote: > Hello all, > I’m never one eager to update. I know that some here feel that the > security patches are very important and so they always make sure that they > update. > However these little bugs that people continue to report, and the > things that never get repaired, that were not broken before, totally > cause me to be discouraged about where the heads are at around the > programmers and the beta testers that do this work on all our behalf. > Minor structural changes happen over the years, Things like they give > the tabs different names, and then they put the positioning of things > such as delete versus remove in different places or substitute them, > or cause you to have to use different gestures to remove a particular > mail from a list of threaded emailsWhen it was so easy to do before, > at least with voiceover. Who do these minor changes benefit when > other things could be corrected, such as things in the rotor… what > about the inability to select text using the line feature? for those > of us using dictation, and not always a Bluetooth keyboard, the speech > recognition capacity in my estimation has greatly deteriorated since > iOS 12. I find Siri is more and more cumbersome and requires very > specific syntax, which I’ve known all along was the case, but siri > truly seems to have gotten less and less able to make sense out of the > simplest requests. I find this totally baffling. And I’m not always > mumbling either. And does it bother anyone else that if auto correct > and auto predictive text areturned off does the program still insist > on putting parts of words phrases and pronouns in there that are absolutely > never correct and require A lot of extra time to edit them out? > There may indeed have been useful features in iOS 13, and now 14, but > I was happy with 12. From what I’ve been reading here in the last week > or so, I have no intention of updating to 14. I don’t have much > patience with work arounds that people have to do. Learning curve., I > can cope with, but things that get broken and things that do not get > fixed that could save me a gesture or two thatI’m all for, I find troublesome. > There’s more I could say about the new SE 20, but I will refrain. It’s > fortunate that I still love having an iphone, and I use it daily, in > fact I use it every hour of every single day just about aside from > when I happen to be sleeping… So there are still many pluses. > Deirdre > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 19, 2020, at 4:33 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone >> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> While using voice-over, when I go into the Apple podcasts app and >>>> the podcast episodes in the listen now section, there seems to be >>>> no way to flick to delete that particular episode as they used to >>>> be in iOS 13. I can now double tap and hold and select either >>>> remove which sounds scary or mark as played, but they used to be a >>>> simple gesture that you could flick up or down to delete that >>>> particular episode Harry >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V >> iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara >> at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-a
Re: Quiet rant of the morning
Thanks, I thought that I would Leave AutomaticUpdates Turned ON, but After Readin'Through ThisThread, I decidedNot to Leave AutomaticUpdates Turned ON so Now, My VZW XS MAX is ON iOS12.4.1 & My VZW 11PRO is ON iOS13.7 I'm Glad that I saw ThisThread before it AutomaticallyUpdated to iOS14, as it Failed numerous Times probably Because I'm ChargingIt wirelessly, as it Recently UpDated to iOS13.7, but then I was ChargingIt using the Wire Cable (Lightning Cord) At 04:55 PM 9/19/2020, you wrote: HELLO, I totally get where you're coming from. I am a Logic Pro and Mainstage user on the mac, and will not upgrade to big sir upon its reliese. iOS 13.7 is stable at this point, forteen has some nifty features and it is rather interesting, I am a public beta tester for it, but since you're happy with 13.7 stick with it. in my view, if you are using software which requires an older version of software, and this concloosion goes for everything, not just iOS, as long as something does what you want, it is pointless to upgrade. I've got an iPad Mini two which has ran it's update(s), at 12.4.8. it is stable and does what I need it two. I also have an AirPort Extreem Base station, which does not get firmware updates either, stuck at firmware 7.8.1, but it works for me. so it is not nessessary to upgrade just because new software is out. my advice to you, never upgrade iOS, because it is an involved process to get thirteen back, after Apple officially stops signing it. it can be done, but you've gotta know what you're doing. regards, Daniel Angus MacDonald On 9/19/20, deidre muccio wrote: > Hello all, > I’m never one eager to update. I know that some here feel that the security > patches are very important and so they always make sure that they update. > However these little bugs that people continue to report, and the things > that never get repaired, that were not broken before, totally cause me to be > discouraged about where the heads are at around the programmers and the beta > testers that do this work on all our behalf. Minor structural changes happen > over the years, Things like they give the tabs different names, and then > they put the positioning of things such as delete versus remove in different > places or substitute them, or cause you to have to use different gestures to > remove a particular mail from a list of threaded emailsWhen it was so easy > to do before, at least with voiceover. Who do these minor changes benefit > when other things could be corrected, such as things in the rotor… what > about the inability to select text using the line feature? for those of us > using dictation, and not always a Bluetooth keyboard, the speech recognition > capacity in my estimation has greatly deteriorated since iOS 12. I find Siri > is more and more cumbersome and requires very specific syntax, which I’ve > known all along was the case, but siri truly seems to have gotten less and > less able to make sense out of the simplest requests. I find this totally > baffling. And I’m not always mumbling either. And does it bother anyone else > that if auto correct and auto predictive text areturned off does the > program still insist on putting parts of words phrases and pronouns in there > that are absolutely never correct and require A lot of extra time to edit > them out? > There may indeed have been useful features in iOS 13, and now 14, but I was > happy with 12. From what I’ve been reading here in the last week or so, I > have no intention of updating to 14. I don’t have much patience with work > arounds that people have to do. Learning curve., I can cope with, but things > that get broken and things that do not get fixed that could save me a > gesture or two thatI’m all for, I find troublesome. > There’s more I could say about the new SE 20, but I will refrain. It’s > fortunate that I still love having an iphone, and I use it daily, in fact I > use it every hour of every single day just about aside from when I happen to > be sleeping… So there are still many pluses. > Deirdre > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 19, 2020, at 4:33 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone >> wrote: >> >>  >>> >>>  While using voice-over, when I go into the Apple podcasts app and the podcast episodes in the listen now section, there seems to be no way to flick to delete that particular episode as they used to be in iOS 13. I can now double tap and hold and select either remove which sounds scary or mark as played, but they used to be a simple gesture that you could flick up or down to delete that particular episode Harry >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >> list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the
Re: Quiet rant of the morning
HELLO, I totally get where you're coming from. I am a Logic Pro and Mainstage user on the mac, and will not upgrade to big sir upon its reliese. iOS 13.7 is stable at this point, forteen has some nifty features and it is rather interesting, I am a public beta tester for it, but since you're happy with 13.7 stick with it. in my view, if you are using software which requires an older version of software, and this concloosion goes for everything, not just iOS, as long as something does what you want, it is pointless to upgrade. I've got an iPad Mini two which has ran it's update(s), at 12.4.8. it is stable and does what I need it two. I also have an AirPort Extreem Base station, which does not get firmware updates either, stuck at firmware 7.8.1, but it works for me. so it is not nessessary to upgrade just because new software is out. my advice to you, never upgrade iOS, because it is an involved process to get thirteen back, after Apple officially stops signing it. it can be done, but you've gotta know what you're doing. regards, Daniel Angus MacDonald On 9/19/20, deidre muccio wrote: > Hello all, > I’m never one eager to update. I know that some here feel that the security > patches are very important and so they always make sure that they update. > However these little bugs that people continue to report, and the things > that never get repaired, that were not broken before, totally cause me to be > discouraged about where the heads are at around the programmers and the beta > testers that do this work on all our behalf. Minor structural changes happen > over the years, Things like they give the tabs different names, and then > they put the positioning of things such as delete versus remove in different > places or substitute them, or cause you to have to use different gestures to > remove a particular mail from a list of threaded emailsWhen it was so easy > to do before, at least with voiceover. Who do these minor changes benefit > when other things could be corrected, such as things in the rotor… what > about the inability to select text using the line feature? for those of us > using dictation, and not always a Bluetooth keyboard, the speech recognition > capacity in my estimation has greatly deteriorated since iOS 12. I find Siri > is more and more cumbersome and requires very specific syntax, which I’ve > known all along was the case, but siri truly seems to have gotten less and > less able to make sense out of the simplest requests. I find this totally > baffling. And I’m not always mumbling either. And does it bother anyone else > that if auto correct and auto predictive text areturned off does the > program still insist on putting parts of words phrases and pronouns in there > that are absolutely never correct and require A lot of extra time to edit > them out? > There may indeed have been useful features in iOS 13, and now 14, but I was > happy with 12. From what I’ve been reading here in the last week or so, I > have no intention of updating to 14. I don’t have much patience with work > arounds that people have to do. Learning curve., I can cope with, but things > that get broken and things that do not get fixed that could save me a > gesture or two thatI’m all for, I find troublesome. > There’s more I could say about the new SE 20, but I will refrain. It’s > fortunate that I still love having an iphone, and I use it daily, in fact I > use it every hour of every single day just about aside from when I happen to > be sleeping… So there are still many pluses. > Deirdre > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 19, 2020, at 4:33 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone >> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> While using voice-over, when I go into the Apple podcasts app and the podcast episodes in the listen now section, there seems to be no way to flick to delete that particular episode as they used to be in iOS 13. I can now double tap and hold and select either remove which sounds scary or mark as played, but they used to be a simple gesture that you could flick up or down to delete that particular episode Harry >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >> list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit
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Not to mention that some of the reported issues must have showed up during the beta testing stage like the frequent instability of the vo focus which to me seems like a major problem and the programers clearly released vo 14 without correcting this rather inconvenient problem. Its just unaccecptable in my opinion. Personally, I have heard too many reports of annoying and unwanted bugs for me to consider updating to Vo 14 until I have confirmation that they have been fixed. My iphone works just fine for me now and I just don't want to deal with the frustration and headaches that would come from this latest update. > On Sep 19, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Devin Prater wrote: > > > If you don't like what beta testers do and test with and go through as far as > huge bugs, then test yourself. Be a part of the solution next time then. > Apple *said* that they want people testing these betas. I can't speak for the > programmers, but I don't use dictation much myself. I use a braille display > or braille screen input. If you had been testing, and if you had filed > feedback, maybe it'd be better by now. > Devin Prater > sent from Gmail. > > >> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 7:42 AM deidre muccio >> wrote: >> Hello all, >> I’m never one eager to update. I know that some here feel that the security >> patches are very important and so they always make sure that they update. >> However these little bugs that people continue to report, and the things >> that never get repaired, that were not broken before, totally cause me to be >> discouraged about where the heads are at around the programmers and the beta >> testers that do this work on all our behalf. Minor structural changes happen >> over the years, Things like they give the tabs different names, and then >> they put the positioning of things such as delete versus remove in different >> places or substitute them, or cause you to have to use different gestures to >> remove a particular mail from a list of threaded emailsWhen it was so easy >> to do before, at least with voiceover. Who do these minor changes benefit >> when other things could be corrected, such as things in the rotor… what >> about the inability to select text using the line feature? for those of us >> using dictation, and not always a Bluetooth keyboard, the speech recognition >> capacity in my estimation has greatly deteriorated since iOS 12. I find Siri >> is more and more cumbersome and requires very specific syntax, which I’ve >> known all along was the case, but siri truly seems to have gotten less and >> less able to make sense out of the simplest requests. I find this totally >> baffling. And I’m not always mumbling either. And does it bother anyone else >> that if auto correct and auto predictive text areturned off does the >> program still insist on putting parts of words phrases and pronouns in there >> that are absolutely never correct and require A lot of extra time to edit >> them out? >> There may indeed have been useful features in iOS 13, and now 14, but I was >> happy with 12. From what I’ve been reading here in the last week or so, I >> have no intention of updating to 14. I don’t have much patience with work >> arounds that people have to do. Learning curve., I can cope with, but things >> that get broken and things that do not get fixed that could save me a >> gesture or two thatI’m all for, I find troublesome. >> There’s more I could say about the new SE 20, but I will refrain. It’s >> fortunate that I still love having an iphone, and I use it daily, in fact I >> use it every hour of every single day just about aside from when I happen to >> be sleeping… So there are still many pluses. >> Deirdre >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Sep 19, 2020, at 4:33 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> While using voice-over, when I go into the Apple podcasts app and the >> >>> podcast episodes in the listen now section, there seems to be no way to >> >>> flick to delete that particular episode as they used to be in iOS 13. I >> >>> can now double tap and hold and select either remove which sounds scary >> >>> or mark as played, but they used to be a simple gesture that you could >> >>> flick up or down to delete that particular episode >> >>> Harry >> > >> > -- >> > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >> > list. >> > >> > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >> > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >> > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> > >> > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> > caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> > >> > The archives for this list can be searched at: >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>
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I have Filed pages and pages of detailed feedback in the past. I have not aired at that end. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Devin Prater wrote: > > > If you don't like what beta testers do and test with and go through as far as > huge bugs, then test yourself. Be a part of the solution next time then. > Apple *said* that they want people testing these betas. I can't speak for the > programmers, but I don't use dictation much myself. I use a braille display > or braille screen input. If you had been testing, and if you had filed > feedback, maybe it'd be better by now. > Devin Prater > sent from Gmail. > > >> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 7:42 AM deidre muccio >> wrote: >> Hello all, >> I’m never one eager to update. I know that some here feel that the security >> patches are very important and so they always make sure that they update. >> However these little bugs that people continue to report, and the things >> that never get repaired, that were not broken before, totally cause me to be >> discouraged about where the heads are at around the programmers and the beta >> testers that do this work on all our behalf. Minor structural changes happen >> over the years, Things like they give the tabs different names, and then >> they put the positioning of things such as delete versus remove in different >> places or substitute them, or cause you to have to use different gestures to >> remove a particular mail from a list of threaded emailsWhen it was so easy >> to do before, at least with voiceover. Who do these minor changes benefit >> when other things could be corrected, such as things in the rotor… what >> about the inability to select text using the line feature? for those of us >> using dictation, and not always a Bluetooth keyboard, the speech recognition >> capacity in my estimation has greatly deteriorated since iOS 12. I find Siri >> is more and more cumbersome and requires very specific syntax, which I’ve >> known all along was the case, but siri truly seems to have gotten less and >> less able to make sense out of the simplest requests. I find this totally >> baffling. And I’m not always mumbling either. And does it bother anyone else >> that if auto correct and auto predictive text areturned off does the >> program still insist on putting parts of words phrases and pronouns in there >> that are absolutely never correct and require A lot of extra time to edit >> them out? >> There may indeed have been useful features in iOS 13, and now 14, but I was >> happy with 12. From what I’ve been reading here in the last week or so, I >> have no intention of updating to 14. I don’t have much patience with work >> arounds that people have to do. Learning curve., I can cope with, but things >> that get broken and things that do not get fixed that could save me a >> gesture or two thatI’m all for, I find troublesome. >> There’s more I could say about the new SE 20, but I will refrain. It’s >> fortunate that I still love having an iphone, and I use it daily, in fact I >> use it every hour of every single day just about aside from when I happen to >> be sleeping… So there are still many pluses. >> Deirdre >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Sep 19, 2020, at 4:33 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> While using voice-over, when I go into the Apple podcasts app and the >> >>> podcast episodes in the listen now section, there seems to be no way to >> >>> flick to delete that particular episode as they used to be in iOS 13. I >> >>> can now double tap and hold and select either remove which sounds scary >> >>> or mark as played, but they used to be a simple gesture that you could >> >>> flick up or down to delete that particular episode >> >>> Harry >> > >> > -- >> > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >> > list. >> > >> > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >> > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >> > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> > >> > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> > caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> > >> > The archives for this list can be searched at: >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> > --- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> > "VIPhone" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F7BA3ABC-2E47-4EEF-BC87-E8C87064DD66%40icloud.com. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or
Re: Quiet rant of the morning
If you don't like what beta testers do and test with and go through as far as huge bugs, then test yourself. Be a part of the solution next time then. Apple *said* that they want people testing these betas. I can't speak for the programmers, but I don't use dictation much myself. I use a braille display or braille screen input. If you had been testing, and if you had filed feedback, maybe it'd be better by now. Devin Prater sent from Gmail. On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 7:42 AM deidre muccio wrote: > Hello all, > I’m never one eager to update. I know that some here feel that the > security patches are very important and so they always make sure that they > update. However these little bugs that people continue to report, and the > things that never get repaired, that were not broken before, totally cause > me to be discouraged about where the heads are at around the programmers > and the beta testers that do this work on all our behalf. Minor structural > changes happen over the years, Things like they give the tabs different > names, and then they put the positioning of things such as delete versus > remove in different places or substitute them, or cause you to have to use > different gestures to remove a particular mail from a list of threaded > emailsWhen it was so easy to do before, at least with voiceover. Who do > these minor changes benefit when other things could be corrected, such as > things in the rotor… what about the inability to select text using the line > feature? for those of us using dictation, and not always a Bluetooth > keyboard, the speech recognition capacity in my estimation has greatly > deteriorated since iOS 12. I find Siri is more and more cumbersome and > requires very specific syntax, which I’ve known all along was the case, but > siri truly seems to have gotten less and less able to make sense out of the > simplest requests. I find this totally baffling. And I’m not always > mumbling either. And does it bother anyone else that if auto correct and > auto predictive text areturned off does the program still insist on putting > parts of words phrases and pronouns in there that are absolutely never > correct and require A lot of extra time to edit them out? > There may indeed have been useful features in iOS 13, and now 14, but I > was happy with 12. From what I’ve been reading here in the last week or so, > I have no intention of updating to 14. I don’t have much patience with > work arounds that people have to do. Learning curve., I can cope with, but > things that get broken and things that do not get fixed that could save me > a gesture or two thatI’m all for, I find troublesome. > There’s more I could say about the new SE 20, but I will refrain. It’s > fortunate that I still love having an iphone, and I use it daily, in fact > I use it every hour of every single day just about aside from when I happen > to be sleeping… So there are still many pluses. > Deirdre > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 19, 2020, at 4:33 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone < > viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > >> > >>> > >>> While using voice-over, when I go into the Apple podcasts app and the > podcast episodes in the listen now section, there seems to be no way to > flick to delete that particular episode as they used to be in iOS 13. I can > now double tap and hold and select either remove which sounds scary or mark > as played, but they used to be a simple gesture that you could flick up or > down to delete that particular episode > >>> Harry > > > > -- > > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F7BA3ABC-2E47-4EEF-BC87-E8C87064DD66%40icloud.com > . > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >
RE: Quiet rant of the morning
>From all I am reading here, I'm not going to 14 - will hope to be able to >download a later update. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of deidre muccio Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:43 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Quiet rant of the morning Hello all, I’m never one eager to update. I know that some here feel that the security patches are very important and so they always make sure that they update. However these little bugs that people continue to report, and the things that never get repaired, that were not broken before, totally cause me to be discouraged about where the heads are at around the programmers and the beta testers that do this work on all our behalf. Minor structural changes happen over the years, Things like they give the tabs different names, and then they put the positioning of things such as delete versus remove in different places or substitute them, or cause you to have to use different gestures to remove a particular mail from a list of threaded emailsWhen it was so easy to do before, at least with voiceover. Who do these minor changes benefit when other things could be corrected, such as things in the rotor… what about the inability to select text using the line feature? for those of us using dictation, and not always a Bluetooth keyboard, the speech recognition capacity in my estimation has greatly deteriorated since iOS 12. I find Siri is more and more cumbersome and requires very specific syntax, which I’ve known all along was the case, but siri truly seems to have gotten less and less able to make sense out of the simplest requests. I find this totally baffling. And I’m not always mumbling either. And does it bother anyone else that if auto correct and auto predictive text areturned off does the program still insist on putting parts of words phrases and pronouns in there that are absolutely never correct and require A lot of extra time to edit them out? There may indeed have been useful features in iOS 13, and now 14, but I was happy with 12. From what I’ve been reading here in the last week or so, I have no intention of updating to 14. I don’t have much patience with work arounds that people have to do. Learning curve., I can cope with, but things that get broken and things that do not get fixed that could save me a gesture or two thatI’m all for, I find troublesome. There’s more I could say about the new SE 20, but I will refrain. It’s fortunate that I still love having an iphone, and I use it daily, in fact I use it every hour of every single day just about aside from when I happen to be sleeping… So there are still many pluses. Deirdre Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2020, at 4:33 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone > wrote: > > >> >> >>> >>> While using voice-over, when I go into the Apple podcasts app and >>> the podcast episodes in the listen now section, there seems to be no >>> way to flick to delete that particular episode as they used to be in >>> iOS 13. I can now double tap and hold and select either remove which >>> sounds scary or mark as played, but they used to be a simple gesture >>> that you could flick up or down to delete that particular episode >>> Harry > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F7BA3ABC-2E47-4EEF-BC87-E8C87064DD66%40icloud.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegro
Re: Quiet rant of the morning
My Iphone updated itself to 13.7 when I had 12.41 on my iPhone for almost a year. I am really not having any issues with 13.7 at the moment. However, I don't intend to update to 14 just yet until some of the bugs get worked out. I'll probably wait until 14.7 or maybe higher. My iPhone 8 works just fine and as long as I can delete messages, voicemails, make phone calls, listen to music, and read my books, I'm all good. On 9/19/20, deidre muccio wrote: > Hello all, > I’m never one eager to update. I know that some here feel that the security > patches are very important and so they always make sure that they update. > However these little bugs that people continue to report, and the things > that never get repaired, that were not broken before, totally cause me to be > discouraged about where the heads are at around the programmers and the beta > testers that do this work on all our behalf. Minor structural changes happen > over the years, Things like they give the tabs different names, and then > they put the positioning of things such as delete versus remove in different > places or substitute them, or cause you to have to use different gestures to > remove a particular mail from a list of threaded emailsWhen it was so easy > to do before, at least with voiceover. Who do these minor changes benefit > when other things could be corrected, such as things in the rotor… what > about the inability to select text using the line feature? for those of us > using dictation, and not always a Bluetooth keyboard, the speech recognition > capacity in my estimation has greatly deteriorated since iOS 12. I find Siri > is more and more cumbersome and requires very specific syntax, which I’ve > known all along was the case, but siri truly seems to have gotten less and > less able to make sense out of the simplest requests. I find this totally > baffling. And I’m not always mumbling either. And does it bother anyone else > that if auto correct and auto predictive text areturned off does the > program still insist on putting parts of words phrases and pronouns in there > that are absolutely never correct and require A lot of extra time to edit > them out? > There may indeed have been useful features in iOS 13, and now 14, but I was > happy with 12. From what I’ve been reading here in the last week or so, I > have no intention of updating to 14. I don’t have much patience with work > arounds that people have to do. Learning curve., I can cope with, but things > that get broken and things that do not get fixed that could save me a > gesture or two thatI’m all for, I find troublesome. > There’s more I could say about the new SE 20, but I will refrain. It’s > fortunate that I still love having an iphone, and I use it daily, in fact I > use it every hour of every single day just about aside from when I happen to > be sleeping… So there are still many pluses. > Deirdre > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 19, 2020, at 4:33 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone >> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> While using voice-over, when I go into the Apple podcasts app and the podcast episodes in the listen now section, there seems to be no way to flick to delete that particular episode as they used to be in iOS 13. I can now double tap and hold and select either remove which sounds scary or mark as played, but they used to be a simple gesture that you could flick up or down to delete that particular episode Harry >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >> list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F7BA3ABC-2E47-4EEF-BC87-E8C87064DD66%40icloud.com. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: >
Quiet rant of the morning
Hello all, I’m never one eager to update. I know that some here feel that the security patches are very important and so they always make sure that they update. However these little bugs that people continue to report, and the things that never get repaired, that were not broken before, totally cause me to be discouraged about where the heads are at around the programmers and the beta testers that do this work on all our behalf. Minor structural changes happen over the years, Things like they give the tabs different names, and then they put the positioning of things such as delete versus remove in different places or substitute them, or cause you to have to use different gestures to remove a particular mail from a list of threaded emailsWhen it was so easy to do before, at least with voiceover. Who do these minor changes benefit when other things could be corrected, such as things in the rotor… what about the inability to select text using the line feature? for those of us using dictation, and not always a Bluetooth keyboard, the speech recognition capacity in my estimation has greatly deteriorated since iOS 12. I find Siri is more and more cumbersome and requires very specific syntax, which I’ve known all along was the case, but siri truly seems to have gotten less and less able to make sense out of the simplest requests. I find this totally baffling. And I’m not always mumbling either. And does it bother anyone else that if auto correct and auto predictive text areturned off does the program still insist on putting parts of words phrases and pronouns in there that are absolutely never correct and require A lot of extra time to edit them out? There may indeed have been useful features in iOS 13, and now 14, but I was happy with 12. From what I’ve been reading here in the last week or so, I have no intention of updating to 14. I don’t have much patience with work arounds that people have to do. Learning curve., I can cope with, but things that get broken and things that do not get fixed that could save me a gesture or two thatI’m all for, I find troublesome. There’s more I could say about the new SE 20, but I will refrain. It’s fortunate that I still love having an iphone, and I use it daily, in fact I use it every hour of every single day just about aside from when I happen to be sleeping… So there are still many pluses. Deirdre Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2020, at 4:33 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone > wrote: > > >> >> >>> >>> While using voice-over, when I go into the Apple podcasts app and the >>> podcast episodes in the listen now section, there seems to be no way to >>> flick to delete that particular episode as they used to be in iOS 13. I can >>> now double tap and hold and select either remove which sounds scary or mark >>> as played, but they used to be a simple gesture that you could flick up or >>> down to delete that particular episode >>> Harry > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F7BA3ABC-2E47-4EEF-BC87-E8C87064DD66%40icloud.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5EEEB1B1-DA53-4CE7-B17F-B3D8E2D650CF%40gmail.com.
