Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Dave Grossoehme]

Richard I gone so far as to reset the modem and router when this 
happens, but it doesn't help.  The problem is there isn't a problem with 
any other device at the time of these events.  I have many devices 
including 2 desk top computers and the internet doesn't even slow when 
this happens.  That's why I know that it is with the Weather Server from 
Apple and Siri.  I have a programming engineer in the family who has had 
this happen with their Siri as well when in the middle of a large 
programming job, and it doesn't slow down his coding computer.  Before 
IOS 16.0 it may happen at a certain time of day.  After IOS 16 it can 
come at anytime of the day without any warning at all.  Reboot of the 
device doesn't change anything either.  We just have to go about our 
business and when it decides to clear up we can use it again..


Dave


On 6/26/2023 11:35 AM, Richard Turner wrote:


IN that case, I'd check that you are not having router or modem issues.

I cannot remember when I last got that response from Siri.

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the 
Universe


My web site: https://www.turner42.com 

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *Dave Grossoehme

*Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2023 8:30 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com; Richard Turner 

*Subject:* Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the 
end of the iOS 16 cycle


The problem of Siri and the Weather App still happen to me. Yes she 
has my permission for my location.  however, it's like Siri has lost 
the internet connection to the Weather Server and she sets there for a 
few seconds and then say's still working.  After that I may for may 
not get a result.  I may receive nothing was heard back.  This happens 
on the Pod as well as my IPhone.


Dave

On 6/21/2023 2:04 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Did you give Siri permission to use your location?

I've never had a problem getting the weather through Siri.

Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of
little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~
John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com



On Jun 21, 2023, at 8:12 AM, Dave Grossoehme
  wrote:

I been asking for the weather from Siri and speak slow enough
for her to understand my question.  However, I get a different
location or I've found this on the web.  Or I'm working on
that and then a few seconds later she say's I didn't hear
back.  This is on my home pod as well as on my phone.

Dave


On 6/13/2023 12:07 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I personally find that most of the time Siri doesn't do
simple thingts correctly it is because I speak too
quickly. There is a definite difference in how quickly
Siri listens in iOS 16, whether this because of the new
tone or because of something different I don't know, but
sometimes I ask Siri to "Call John Smith" for lack of a
better name and I get "What would you like to know about
John Smith". It says this because I spoke too quickly and
Siri didn't hear the "Call" part and instead only heard
"John Smith".

But I do agree that in many ways Siri can be extremely
dense and stupid considering Apple came out with Siri 12
years ago. Sometimes for some reason it won't even do a
simple conversion and instead I get the answer"I found the
following on the web about..."

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Mary Otten

Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 10:45 AM

To: via VIPhone 


Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails
at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were
complaining about the new tone for Siri and about problems
getting Siri to respond appropriately. I was certainly one
of those people. N Now, many months later, I’m still one
of those people. Certain things I can ask. Siri never
screws up. Open the App Store, for instance. I don’t think
it ever missed that command. But open BARD Mobile. Open
the name of my credit union, and many other open commands
as often as not meet with some stupidity about what it
found on the web or how it doesn’t think I have such an
app, even though it has opened the app many times in the
past. I thought it was supposed to have some kind of on
device 

RE: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Richard Turner]

IN that case, I'd check that you are not having router or modem issues.

 

I cannot remember when I last got that response from Siri.

 

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave 
Grossoehme
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2023 8:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Richard Turner 
Subject: Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the 
iOS 16 cycle

 

The problem of Siri and the Weather App still happen to me.   Yes she has my 
permission for my location.  however, it's like Siri has lost the internet 
connection to the Weather Server and she sets there for a few seconds and then 
say's still working.  After that I may for may not get a result.  I may receive 
nothing was heard back.  This happens on the Pod as well as my IPhone.

Dave

 

On 6/21/2023 2:04 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Did you give Siri permission to use your location? 

I've never had a problem getting the weather through Siri.

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 





On Jun 21, 2023, at 8:12 AM, Dave Grossoehme   
 wrote:

I been asking for the weather from Siri and speak slow enough for her to 
understand my question.  However, I get a different location or I've found this 
on the web.  Or I'm working on that and then a few seconds later she say's I 
didn't hear back.  This is on my home pod as well as on my phone.

Dave


On 6/13/2023 12:07 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:



I personally find that most of the time Siri doesn't do simple thingts 
correctly it is because I speak too quickly. There is a definite difference in 
how quickly Siri listens in iOS 16, whether this because of the new tone or 
because of something different I don't know, but sometimes I ask Siri to "Call 
John Smith" for lack of a better name and I get "What would you like to know 
about John Smith". It says this because I spoke too quickly and Siri didn't 
hear the "Call" part and instead only heard "John Smith".

But I do agree that in many ways Siri can be extremely dense and stupid 
considering Apple came out with Siri 12 years ago. Sometimes for some reason it 
won't even do a simple conversion and instead I get the answer"I found the 
following on the web about..."

 

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com    
  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten

Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 10:45 AM

To: via VIPhone   

Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 
16 cycle

 

Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were complaining about the 
new tone for Siri and about problems getting Siri to respond appropriately. I 
was certainly one of those people. N Now, many months later, I’m still one of 
those people. Certain things I can ask. Siri never screws up. Open the App 
Store, for instance. I don’t think it ever missed that command. But open BARD 
Mobile. Open the name of my credit union, and many other open commands as often 
as not meet with some stupidity about what it found on the web or how it 
doesn’t think I have such an app, even though it has opened the app many times 
in the past. I thought it was supposed to have some kind of on device machine 
learning, which would help it disambiguate things it wasn’t sure of. This must 
not be true, because its overall performance has maintained its low level, 
whereas on iOS 15, the very same Siri with the very same commands yields 
reasonable results almost all of the time. So, whatever Apple did in iOS 16 has 
not been fixed as far as I’m concerned. I can only hope they do better in iOS 
17.

 

Sent from my iPhone

 


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Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Dave Grossoehme]

The problem of Siri and the Weather App still happen to me.   Yes she 
has my permission for my location.  however, it's like Siri has lost the 
internet connection to the Weather Server and she sets there for a few 
seconds and then say's still working.  After that I may for may not get 
a result.  I may receive nothing was heard back.  This happens on the 
Pod as well as my IPhone.


Dave


On 6/21/2023 2:04 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Did you give Siri permission to use your location?
I've never had a problem getting the weather through Siri.




Richard, USA.
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of 
little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ 
John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com



On Jun 21, 2023, at 8:12 AM, Dave Grossoehme  wrote:

I been asking for the weather from Siri and speak slow enough for 
her to understand my question. However, I get a different location or 
I've found this on the web.  Or I'm working on that and then a few 
seconds later she say's I didn't hear back.  This is on my home pod 
as well as on my phone.


Dave


On 6/13/2023 12:07 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I personally find that most of the time Siri doesn't do simple 
thingts correctly it is because I speak too quickly. There is a 
definite difference in how quickly Siri listens in iOS 16, whether 
this because of the new tone or because of something different I 
don't know, but sometimes I ask Siri to "Call John Smith" for lack 
of a better name and I get "What would you like to know about John 
Smith". It says this because I spoke too quickly and Siri didn't 
hear the "Call" part and instead only heard "John Smith".
But I do agree that in many ways Siri can be extremely dense and 
stupid considering Apple came out with Siri 12 years ago. Sometimes 
for some reason it won't even do a simple conversion and instead I 
get the answer"I found the following on the web about..."



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
Of Mary Otten

Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 10:45 AM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end 
of the iOS 16 cycle


Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were complaining 
about the new tone for Siri and about problems getting Siri to 
respond appropriately. I was certainly one of those people. N Now, 
many months later, I’m still one of those people. Certain things I 
can ask. Siri never screws up. Open the App Store, for instance. I 
don’t think it ever missed that command. But open BARD Mobile. Open 
the name of my credit union, and many other open commands as often 
as not meet with some stupidity about what it found on the web or 
how it doesn’t think I have such an app, even though it has opened 
the app many times in the past. I thought it was supposed to have 
some kind of on device machine learning, which would help it 
disambiguate things it wasn’t sure of. This must not be true, 
because its overall performance has maintained its low level, 
whereas on iOS 15, the very same Siri with the very same commands 
yields reasonable results almost all of the time. So, whatever Apple 
did in iOS 16 has not been fixed as far as I’m concerned. I can only 
hope they do better in iOS 17.


Sent from my iPhone



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Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Richard Turner]

Did you give Siri permission to use your location?
I've never had a problem getting the weather through Siri.




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> On Jun 21, 2023, at 8:12 AM, Dave Grossoehme  wrote:
> 
> I been asking for the weather from Siri and speak slow enough for her to 
> understand my question.  However, I get a different location or I've found 
> this on the web.  Or I'm working on that and then a few seconds later she 
> say's I didn't hear back.  This is on my home pod as well as on my phone.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
>> On 6/13/2023 12:07 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>> I personally find that most of the time Siri doesn't do simple thingts 
>> correctly it is because I speak too quickly. There is a definite difference 
>> in how quickly Siri listens in iOS 16, whether this because of the new tone 
>> or because of something different I don't know, but sometimes I ask Siri to 
>> "Call John Smith" for lack of a better name and I get "What would you like 
>> to know about John Smith". It says this because I spoke too quickly and Siri 
>> didn't hear the "Call" part and instead only heard "John Smith".
>> But I do agree that in many ways Siri can be extremely dense and stupid 
>> considering Apple came out with Siri 12 years ago. Sometimes for some reason 
>> it won't even do a simple conversion and instead I get the answer"I found 
>> the following on the web about..."
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>> Otten
>> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 10:45 AM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the 
>> iOS 16 cycle
>> 
>> Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were complaining about 
>> the new tone for Siri and about problems getting Siri to respond 
>> appropriately. I was certainly one of those people. N Now, many months 
>> later, I’m still one of those people. Certain things I can ask. Siri never 
>> screws up. Open the App Store, for instance. I don’t think it ever missed 
>> that command. But open BARD Mobile. Open the name of my credit union, and 
>> many other open commands as often as not meet with some stupidity about what 
>> it found on the web or how it doesn’t think I have such an app, even though 
>> it has opened the app many times in the past. I thought it was supposed to 
>> have some kind of on device machine learning, which would help it 
>> disambiguate things it wasn’t sure of. This must not be true, because its 
>> overall performance has maintained its low level, whereas on iOS 15, the 
>> very same Siri with the very same commands yields reasonable results almost 
>> all of the time. So, whatever Apple did in iOS 16 has not been fixed as far 
>> as I’m concerned. I can only hope they do better in iOS 17.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Dave Grossoehme]

I been asking for the weather from Siri and speak slow enough for her to 
understand my question.  However, I get a different location or I've 
found this on the web.  Or I'm working on that and then a few seconds 
later she say's I didn't hear back.  This is on my home pod as well as 
on my phone.


Dave


On 6/13/2023 12:07 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I personally find that most of the time Siri doesn't do simple thingts correctly it is because I speak too quickly. 
There is a definite difference in how quickly Siri listens in iOS 16, whether this because of the new tone or because 
of something different I don't know, but sometimes I ask Siri to "Call John Smith" for lack of a better name 
and I get "What would you like to know about John Smith". It says this because I spoke too quickly and Siri 
didn't hear the "Call" part and instead only heard "John Smith".
But I do agree that in many ways Siri can be extremely dense and stupid considering Apple 
came out with Siri 12 years ago. Sometimes for some reason it won't even do a simple 
conversion and instead I get the answer"I found the following on the web 
about..."


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 10:45 AM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 
16 cycle

Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were complaining about the 
new tone for Siri and about problems getting Siri to respond appropriately. I 
was certainly one of those people. N Now, many months later, I’m still one of 
those people. Certain things I can ask. Siri never screws up. Open the App 
Store, for instance. I don’t think it ever missed that command. But open BARD 
Mobile. Open the name of my credit union, and many other open commands as often 
as not meet with some stupidity about what it found on the web or how it 
doesn’t think I have such an app, even though it has opened the app many times 
in the past. I thought it was supposed to have some kind of on device machine 
learning, which would help it disambiguate things it wasn’t sure of. This must 
not be true, because its overall performance has maintained its low level, 
whereas on iOS 15, the very same Siri with the very same commands yields 
reasonable results almost all of the time. So, whatever Apple did in iOS 16 has 
not been fixed as far as I’m concerned. I can only hope they do better in iOS 
17.

Sent from my iPhone



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Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Dave Grossoehme]

Hi:  Then report it to supp...@apple.com, they need to be aware of these 
problems.


Dave


On 6/12/2023 3:28 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

Hi richard,
To be honest, I have not reported to Apple Accessibility. I don’t see it as an 
accessibility problem. It’s a Siri problem having nothing at all to do with 
voiceover. So I’m not sure what good it does to report this to Apple 
accessibility. I have reported more general things in the past, and gotten a 
response that it’s not appropriate to report this here. I can’t remember what 
it was, but that’s why I never report to them unless it’s specifically can be 
tied to something having to do with voiceover.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 12, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:

Hi Group,

I have been using the iPhone for over 4 years now and I use Siri only in a 
limited context.  While I can use the text keyboard, I am still quite slow at 
it and so I choose to use Siri for Text messages. It works quite well if you 
speak slowly--using some punctuation  and have limited background noise.

As far as phone calls, I have all important contacts: doctors, pharmacies, 
family members, friends in contact from which I use the standard navigation 
techniques to access and dial them. If I have to call someone or some business 
that is not in my contacts and I know the number, then I use Siri.

As far as opening apps, I group the ones I use the most into folder--using the 
edit method of drag and drop and placing these folders on page one of the home 
scre3en.  Again, I use standard navigation techniques to navigate quickly to 
the folders and double tap on the program name to access and initiate their 
functions.

...So am I unusual in operating this way?


On 6/12/2023 2:22 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
I hope you all are reporting this to Apple Accessibility.
And, perhaps, asking for a session where they share your screen and can monitor 
what is happening and then have you send in a diagnostic report during that 
session.
Apple will never be able to fix things if they don't have good evidence to what 
exactly is going on.
accessibil...@apple.com or 877-204-3930

I will get the call x person in my contacts and Siri responding with What do 
you want to know about X person, but that is the exception and pretty seldom.
I suspect that is a connection issue with my WiFi...

HTH,

  



Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the 
iOS 16 cycle

Perfect example. And I bet if I tried that on my old phone which I can’t 
because it no longer has a Sim, it would probably work perfectly. I’m not 
buying this business about the new tone and the delay being the cause. I 
interact with Siri the same way all the time. So if it’s the problem with the 
tone or the speaking delay not being long enough, I should have the problem 
consistently. But there are certain things that it never ever gets wrong. And 
the App Store is the most glaringly obvious one. It never misses opening the 
App Store.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 12, 2023, at 11:08 AM, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:

Paraphrasing...
Me: Hey Siri, Call my wife.
Siri: what do you want to know about XXX
Me: I want to call my wife.
Siri: XXX's phone number is XX. Do you want to call?
Me: Yes, Call my wife.
Siri: Sorry Something went wrong.
I can give a myriad of other similar examples too. Siri is still hot garbage 
all these years later.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 10:45 AM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 
16 cycle

Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were complaining about the 
new tone for Siri and about problems getting Siri to respond appropriately. I 
was certainly one of those people. N Now, many months later, I’m still one of 
those people. Certain things I can ask. Siri never screws up. Open the App 
Store, for instance. I don’t think it ever missed that command. But open BARD 
Mobile. Open the name of my credit union, and many other open commands as often 
as not meet with some stupidity about what it found on the web or how it 
doesn’t think I have such an app, even though it has opened the app many times 
in the past. I thought it was supposed to have some kind of on device machine 
learning, which would help it disambiguate things it wasn’t sure of. This must 
not be true, because its overall performance has maintained its low level, 
whereas on iOS 15, the very same Siri with the very same commands yields 
reasonable results almost all of the time. So, whatever Apple did in iOS 16 

RE: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Dennis Long]

I would report it they can and will forward it to the correct department.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 3:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the 
iOS 16 cycle

Hi richard,
To be honest, I have not reported to Apple Accessibility. I don’t see it as an 
accessibility problem. It’s a Siri problem having nothing at all to do with 
voiceover. So I’m not sure what good it does to report this to Apple 
accessibility. I have reported more general things in the past, and gotten a 
response that it’s not appropriate to report this here. I can’t remember what 
it was, but that’s why I never report to them unless it’s specifically can be 
tied to something having to do with voiceover.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 12, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> I have been using the iPhone for over 4 years now and I use Siri only in a 
> limited context.  While I can use the text keyboard, I am still quite slow at 
> it and so I choose to use Siri for Text messages. It works quite well if you 
> speak slowly--using some punctuation  and have limited background noise.
> 
> As far as phone calls, I have all important contacts: doctors, pharmacies, 
> family members, friends in contact from which I use the standard navigation 
> techniques to access and dial them. If I have to call someone or some 
> business that is not in my contacts and I know the number, then I use Siri.
> 
> As far as opening apps, I group the ones I use the most into folder--using 
> the edit method of drag and drop and placing these folders on page one of the 
> home scre3en.  Again, I use standard navigation techniques to navigate 
> quickly to the folders and double tap on the program name to access and 
> initiate their functions.
> 
> ...So am I unusual in operating this way?
> 
>> On 6/12/2023 2:22 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
>> I hope you all are reporting this to Apple Accessibility.
>> And, perhaps, asking for a session where they share your screen and can 
>> monitor what is happening and then have you send in a diagnostic report 
>> during that session.
>> Apple will never be able to fix things if they don't have good evidence to 
>> what exactly is going on.
>> accessibil...@apple.com or 877-204-3930
>> 
>> I will get the call x person in my contacts and Siri responding with What do 
>> you want to know about X person, but that is the exception and pretty seldom.
>> I suspect that is a connection issue with my WiFi...
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA.
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
>> with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in 
>> the Universe
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 11:11 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the 
>> end of the iOS 16 cycle
>> 
>> Perfect example. And I bet if I tried that on my old phone which I can’t 
>> because it no longer has a Sim, it would probably work perfectly. I’m not 
>> buying this business about the new tone and the delay being the cause. I 
>> interact with Siri the same way all the time. So if it’s the problem with 
>> the tone or the speaking delay not being long enough, I should have the 
>> problem consistently. But there are certain things that it never ever gets 
>> wrong. And the App Store is the most glaringly obvious one. It never misses 
>> opening the App Store.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 12, 2023, at 11:08 AM, Cristóbal Muñoz  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Paraphrasing...
>>> Me: Hey Siri, Call my wife.
>>> Siri: what do you want to know about XXX
>>> Me: I want to call my wife.
>>> Siri: XXX's phone number is XX. Do you want to call?
>>> Me: Yes, Call my wife.
>>> Siri: Sorry Something went wrong.
>>> I can give a myriad of other similar examples too. Siri is still hot 
>>> garbage all these years later.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 10:45 AM
>>> To: via VIPhone 
>>> Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end 
>>> of the iOS 16 cycle
>>> 
>>> Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were complaining about 
>>> the new tone for Siri and about problems getting Siri to respond 
>>> appropriately. I was certainly one of those people. N Now, many months 
>>> later, I’m still one of those people. Certain things I can ask. Siri never 
>>> screws up. Open the App Store, for instance. I don’t think it ever missed 
>>> that command. But open BARD Mobile. Open the name of my credit union, and 
>>> many other open commands as often as not meet with some stupidity about 
>>> what it found on the web 

RE: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Carolyn Arnold]

Actually, Apple Accessibility, not Applevis. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2023 12:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the 
iOS 16 cycle

What does Applevis have to do with it? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the 
iOS 16 cycle

Good idea to send all of this information to applevis.com. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 1:45 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 
16 cycle

Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were complaining about the 
new tone for Siri and about problems getting Siri to respond appropriately. I 
was certainly one of those people. N Now, many months later, I’m still one of 
those people. Certain things I can ask. Siri never screws up. Open the App 
Store, for instance. I don’t think it ever missed that command. But open BARD 
Mobile. Open the name of my credit union, and many other open commands as often 
as not meet with some stupidity about what it found on the web or how it 
doesn’t think I have such an app, even though it has opened the app many times 
in the past. I thought it was supposed to have some kind of on device machine 
learning, which would help it disambiguate things it wasn’t sure of. This must 
not be true, because its overall performance has maintained its low level, 
whereas on iOS 15, the very same Siri with the very same commands yields 
reasonable results almost all of the time. So, whatever Apple did in iOS 16 has 
not been fixed as far as I’m concerned. I can only hope they do better in iOS 
17. 

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RE: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Carolyn Arnold]

That has happened to me too, Sieghard, on a couple of occasions. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2023 12:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the 
iOS 16 cycle

I personally find that most of the time Siri doesn't do simple thingts 
correctly it is because I speak too quickly. There is a definite difference in 
how quickly Siri listens in iOS 16, whether this because of the new tone or 
because of something different I don't know, but sometimes I ask Siri to "Call 
John Smith" for lack of a better name and I get "What would you like to know 
about John Smith". It says this because I spoke too quickly and Siri didn't 
hear the "Call" part and instead only heard "John Smith".
But I do agree that in many ways Siri can be extremely dense and stupid 
considering Apple came out with Siri 12 years ago. Sometimes for some reason it 
won't even do a simple conversion and instead I get the answer"I found the 
following on the web about..."


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 10:45 AM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 
16 cycle

Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were complaining about the 
new tone for Siri and about problems getting Siri to respond appropriately. I 
was certainly one of those people. N Now, many months later, I’m still one of 
those people. Certain things I can ask. Siri never screws up. Open the App 
Store, for instance. I don’t think it ever missed that command. But open BARD 
Mobile. Open the name of my credit union, and many other open commands as often 
as not meet with some stupidity about what it found on the web or how it 
doesn’t think I have such an app, even though it has opened the app many times 
in the past. I thought it was supposed to have some kind of on device machine 
learning, which would help it disambiguate things it wasn’t sure of. This must 
not be true, because its overall performance has maintained its low level, 
whereas on iOS 15, the very same Siri with the very same commands yields 
reasonable results almost all of the time. So, whatever Apple did in iOS 16 has 
not been fixed as far as I’m concerned. I can only hope they do better in iOS 
17. 

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
In terms of opening applications, I have found that using the phrase “switch to 
application”, works better for most applications. Mail is an exception to this. 
Consistency of SIRI did degrade when Apple switched to having several commands 
processed locally. This increases privacy and also means we can turn airplaine 
mode on with Siri but it also means that the phone takes a first grab at 
interpreting your query. Apple did mention that they are using new technologies 
for dictation and auto-correction in IOAS 17. These are more similar to the 
technology in Chat GPT. If you listen to the keynote, they often mentioned 
transformermer models being used. This is what the “T” in GPT stands for.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 13, 2023, at 1:44 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> Carolyn already said she meant Apple  Accessibility.
> 
> —
> Christopher (AKA CJ) on the move
> Chaltain at Gmail
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2023, at 11:09 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> What does Applevis have to do with it?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Carolyn Arnold
>> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 12:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of 
>> the iOS 16 cycle
>> 
>> Good idea to send all of this information to applevis.com.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 1:45 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the 
>> iOS 16 cycle
>> 
>> Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were complaining about 
>> the new tone for Siri and about problems getting Siri to respond 
>> appropriately. I was certainly one of those people. N Now, many months 
>> later, I’m still one of those people. Certain things I can ask. Siri never 
>> screws up. Open the App Store, for instance. I don’t think it ever missed 
>> that command. But open BARD Mobile. Open the name of my credit union, and 
>> many other open commands as often as not meet with some stupidity about what 
>> it found on the web or how it doesn’t think I have such an app, even though 
>> it has opened the app many times in the past. I thought it was supposed to 
>> have some kind of on device machine learning, which would help it 
>> disambiguate things it wasn’t sure of. This must not be true, because its 
>> overall performance has maintained its low level, whereas on iOS 15, the 
>> very same Siri with the very same commands yields reasonable results almost 
>> all of the time. So, whatever Apple did in iOS 16 has not been fixed as far 
>> as I’m concerned. I can only hope they do better in iOS 17.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Christopher Chaltain]

Carolyn already said she meant Apple  Accessibility.

—
Christopher (AKA CJ) on the move
Chaltain at Gmail

> On Jun 12, 2023, at 11:09 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> What does Applevis have to do with it?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 12:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of 
> the iOS 16 cycle
>
> Good idea to send all of this information to applevis.com.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 1:45 PM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the 
> iOS 16 cycle
>
> Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were complaining about 
> the new tone for Siri and about problems getting Siri to respond 
> appropriately. I was certainly one of those people. N Now, many months later, 
> I’m still one of those people. Certain things I can ask. Siri never screws 
> up. Open the App Store, for instance. I don’t think it ever missed that 
> command. But open BARD Mobile. Open the name of my credit union, and many 
> other open commands as often as not meet with some stupidity about what it 
> found on the web or how it doesn’t think I have such an app, even though it 
> has opened the app many times in the past. I thought it was supposed to have 
> some kind of on device machine learning, which would help it disambiguate 
> things it wasn’t sure of. This must not be true, because its overall 
> performance has maintained its low level, whereas on iOS 15, the very same 
> Siri with the very same commands yields reasonable results almost all of the 
> time. So, whatever Apple did in iOS 16 has not been fixed as far as I’m 
> concerned. I can only hope they do better in iOS 17.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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[Sieghard Weitzel]

What does Applevis have to do with it? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the 
iOS 16 cycle

Good idea to send all of this information to applevis.com. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 1:45 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 
16 cycle

Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were complaining about the 
new tone for Siri and about problems getting Siri to respond appropriately. I 
was certainly one of those people. N Now, many months later, I’m still one of 
those people. Certain things I can ask. Siri never screws up. Open the App 
Store, for instance. I don’t think it ever missed that command. But open BARD 
Mobile. Open the name of my credit union, and many other open commands as often 
as not meet with some stupidity about what it found on the web or how it 
doesn’t think I have such an app, even though it has opened the app many times 
in the past. I thought it was supposed to have some kind of on device machine 
learning, which would help it disambiguate things it wasn’t sure of. This must 
not be true, because its overall performance has maintained its low level, 
whereas on iOS 15, the very same Siri with the very same commands yields 
reasonable results almost all of the time. So, whatever Apple did in iOS 16 has 
not been fixed as far as I’m concerned. I can only hope they do better in iOS 
17. 

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RE: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I personally find that most of the time Siri doesn't do simple thingts 
correctly it is because I speak too quickly. There is a definite difference in 
how quickly Siri listens in iOS 16, whether this because of the new tone or 
because of something different I don't know, but sometimes I ask Siri to "Call 
John Smith" for lack of a better name and I get "What would you like to know 
about John Smith". It says this because I spoke too quickly and Siri didn't 
hear the "Call" part and instead only heard "John Smith".
But I do agree that in many ways Siri can be extremely dense and stupid 
considering Apple came out with Siri 12 years ago. Sometimes for some reason it 
won't even do a simple conversion and instead I get the answer"I found the 
following on the web about..."


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 10:45 AM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 
16 cycle

Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were complaining about the 
new tone for Siri and about problems getting Siri to respond appropriately. I 
was certainly one of those people. N Now, many months later, I’m still one of 
those people. Certain things I can ask. Siri never screws up. Open the App 
Store, for instance. I don’t think it ever missed that command. But open BARD 
Mobile. Open the name of my credit union, and many other open commands as often 
as not meet with some stupidity about what it found on the web or how it 
doesn’t think I have such an app, even though it has opened the app many times 
in the past. I thought it was supposed to have some kind of on device machine 
learning, which would help it disambiguate things it wasn’t sure of. This must 
not be true, because its overall performance has maintained its low level, 
whereas on iOS 15, the very same Siri with the very same commands yields 
reasonable results almost all of the time. So, whatever Apple did in iOS 16 has 
not been fixed as far as I’m concerned. I can only hope they do better in iOS 
17. 

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RE: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Carolyn Arnold]

I don't use Siri for much other than answering questions, like how old is 
Taylor Swift? 

I am now text typing and today, managed to get my emoji of choice on the 
message. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 4:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the 
iOS 16 cycle

I use Siri to make phone calls and that's about it.  I never use it to open 
apps, because Siri can't close apps, just open them, so I don't see the point.  
I very rarely use Siri to send text messages since I have my Hable One keyboard 
for typing and phone navigation.  I'd just use the screen for phone navigation 
if I didn't have my Hable.  I know on which page of my phone certain apps are 
located, so again, iI don't need Siri.

On 6/12/23, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Have you run into this problem with VoiceOver off?
> I report any bug I find to Apple Accessibility because I know they 
> actually read the messages.
>
>
>
>
> Richard, USA.
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of 
> little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ 
> John Ruskin My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>
>> On Jun 12, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>
>> Hi richard,
>> To be honest, I have not reported to Apple Accessibility. I don’t see 
>> it as an accessibility problem. It’s a Siri problem having nothing at 
>> all to do with voiceover. So I’m not sure what good it does to report 
>> this to Apple accessibility. I have reported more general things in 
>> the past, and gotten a response that it’s not appropriate to report 
>> this here. I can’t remember what it was, but that’s why I never 
>> report to them unless it’s specifically can be tied to something having to 
>> do with voiceover.
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 12, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>> I have been using the iPhone for over 4 years now and I use Siri 
>>> only in a limited context.  While I can use the text keyboard, I am 
>>> still quite slow at it and so I choose to use Siri for Text 
>>> messages. It works quite well if you speak slowly--using some 
>>> punctuation  and have limited background noise.
>>>
>>> As far as phone calls, I have all important contacts: doctors, 
>>> pharmacies, family members, friends in contact from which I use the 
>>> standard navigation techniques to access and dial them. If I have to 
>>> call someone or some business that is not in my contacts and I know 
>>> the number, then I use Siri.
>>>
>>> As far as opening apps, I group the ones I use the most into 
>>> folder--using the edit method of drag and drop and placing these 
>>> folders on page one of the home scre3en.  Again, I use standard 
>>> navigation techniques to navigate quickly to the folders and double 
>>> tap on the program name to access and initiate their functions.
>>>
>>> ...So am I unusual in operating this way?
>>>
> On 6/12/2023 2:22 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
 I hope you all are reporting this to Apple Accessibility.
 And, perhaps, asking for a session where they share your screen and 
 can monitor what is happening and then have you send in a 
 diagnostic report during that session.
 Apple will never be able to fix things if they don't have good 
 evidence to what exactly is going on.
 accessibil...@apple.com or 877-204-3930

 I will get the call x person in my contacts and Siri responding 
 with What do you want to know about X person, but that is the 
 exception and pretty seldom.
 I suspect that is a connection issue with my WiFi...

 HTH,




 Richard, USA.
 “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
 with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in 
 the Universe

 My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
 Of Mary Otten
 Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 11:11 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the 
 end of the iOS 16 cycle

 Perfect example. And I bet if I tried that on my old phone which I 
 can’t because it no longer has a Sim, it would probably work 
 perfectly. I’m not buying this business about the new tone and the 
 delay being the cause. I interact with Siri the same way all the 
 time. So if it’s the problem with the tone or the speaking delay 
 not being long enough, I should have the problem consistently. But 
 there are certain things that it never ever gets wrong. And the App 
 Store is the most glaringly obvious one. It never misses opening the App 
 Store.

 Sent from my iPhone

>> On Jun 12, 2023, at 11:08 AM, 

Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I use Siri to make phone calls and that's about it.  I never use it to
open apps, because Siri can't close apps, just open them, so I don't
see the point.  I very rarely use Siri to send text messages since I
have my Hable One keyboard for typing and phone navigation.  I'd just
use the screen for phone navigation if I didn't have my Hable.  I know
on which page of my phone certain apps are located, so again, iI don't
need Siri.

On 6/12/23, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Have you run into this problem with VoiceOver off?
> I report any bug I find to Apple Accessibility because I know they actually
> read the messages.
>
>
>
>
> Richard, USA.
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>
>> On Jun 12, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>
>> Hi richard,
>> To be honest, I have not reported to Apple Accessibility. I don’t see it
>> as an accessibility problem. It’s a Siri problem having nothing at all to
>> do with voiceover. So I’m not sure what good it does to report this to
>> Apple accessibility. I have reported more general things in the past, and
>> gotten a response that it’s not appropriate to report this here. I can’t
>> remember what it was, but that’s why I never report to them unless it’s
>> specifically can be tied to something having to do with voiceover.
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 12, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>> I have been using the iPhone for over 4 years now and I use Siri only in
>>> a limited context.  While I can use the text keyboard, I am still quite
>>> slow at it and so I choose to use Siri for Text messages. It works quite
>>> well if you speak slowly--using some punctuation  and have limited
>>> background noise.
>>>
>>> As far as phone calls, I have all important contacts: doctors,
>>> pharmacies, family members, friends in contact from which I use the
>>> standard navigation techniques to access and dial them. If I have to call
>>> someone or some business that is not in my contacts and I know the
>>> number, then I use Siri.
>>>
>>> As far as opening apps, I group the ones I use the most into
>>> folder--using the edit method of drag and drop and placing these folders
>>> on page one of the home scre3en.  Again, I use standard navigation
>>> techniques to navigate quickly to the folders and double tap on the
>>> program name to access and initiate their functions.
>>>
>>> ...So am I unusual in operating this way?
>>>
> On 6/12/2023 2:22 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
 I hope you all are reporting this to Apple Accessibility.
 And, perhaps, asking for a session where they share your screen and can
 monitor what is happening and then have you send in a diagnostic report
 during that session.
 Apple will never be able to fix things if they don't have good evidence
 to what exactly is going on.
 accessibil...@apple.com or 877-204-3930

 I will get the call x person in my contacts and Siri responding with
 What do you want to know about X person, but that is the exception and
 pretty seldom.
 I suspect that is a connection issue with my WiFi...

 HTH,




 Richard, USA.
 “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
 it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the
 Universe

 My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
 Mary Otten
 Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 11:11 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end
 of the iOS 16 cycle

 Perfect example. And I bet if I tried that on my old phone which I can’t
 because it no longer has a Sim, it would probably work perfectly. I’m
 not buying this business about the new tone and the delay being the
 cause. I interact with Siri the same way all the time. So if it’s the
 problem with the tone or the speaking delay not being long enough, I
 should have the problem consistently. But there are certain things that
 it never ever gets wrong. And the App Store is the most glaringly
 obvious one. It never misses opening the App Store.

 Sent from my iPhone

>> On Jun 12, 2023, at 11:08 AM, Cristóbal Muñoz
>>  wrote:
>
> Paraphrasing...
> Me: Hey Siri, Call my wife.
> Siri: what do you want to know about XXX
> Me: I want to call my wife.
> Siri: XXX's phone number is XX. Do you want to call?
> Me: Yes, Call my wife.
> Siri: Sorry Something went wrong.
> I can give a myriad of other similar examples too. Siri is still hot
> garbage all these years later.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Mary 

Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Richard Turner]

Have you run into this problem with VoiceOver off? 
I report any bug I find to Apple Accessibility because I know they actually 
read the messages.




Richard, USA.
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com


> On Jun 12, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi richard,
> To be honest, I have not reported to Apple Accessibility. I don’t see it as 
> an accessibility problem. It’s a Siri problem having nothing at all to do 
> with voiceover. So I’m not sure what good it does to report this to Apple 
> accessibility. I have reported more general things in the past, and gotten a 
> response that it’s not appropriate to report this here. I can’t remember what 
> it was, but that’s why I never report to them unless it’s specifically can be 
> tied to something having to do with voiceover.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Group,
>> 
>> I have been using the iPhone for over 4 years now and I use Siri only in a 
>> limited context.  While I can use the text keyboard, I am still quite slow 
>> at it and so I choose to use Siri for Text messages. It works quite well if 
>> you speak slowly--using some punctuation  and have limited background noise.
>> 
>> As far as phone calls, I have all important contacts: doctors, pharmacies, 
>> family members, friends in contact from which I use the standard navigation 
>> techniques to access and dial them. If I have to call someone or some 
>> business that is not in my contacts and I know the number, then I use Siri.
>> 
>> As far as opening apps, I group the ones I use the most into folder--using 
>> the edit method of drag and drop and placing these folders on page one of 
>> the home scre3en.  Again, I use standard navigation techniques to navigate 
>> quickly to the folders and double tap on the program name to access and 
>> initiate their functions.
>> 
>> ...So am I unusual in operating this way?
>> 
 On 6/12/2023 2:22 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
>>> I hope you all are reporting this to Apple Accessibility.
>>> And, perhaps, asking for a session where they share your screen and can 
>>> monitor what is happening and then have you send in a diagnostic report 
>>> during that session.
>>> Apple will never be able to fix things if they don't have good evidence to 
>>> what exactly is going on.
>>> accessibil...@apple.com or 877-204-3930
>>> 
>>> I will get the call x person in my contacts and Siri responding with What 
>>> do you want to know about X person, but that is the exception and pretty 
>>> seldom.
>>> I suspect that is a connection issue with my WiFi...
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard, USA.
>>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>>> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>>> 
>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>>> Otten
>>> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 11:11 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of 
>>> the iOS 16 cycle
>>> 
>>> Perfect example. And I bet if I tried that on my old phone which I can’t 
>>> because it no longer has a Sim, it would probably work perfectly. I’m not 
>>> buying this business about the new tone and the delay being the cause. I 
>>> interact with Siri the same way all the time. So if it’s the problem with 
>>> the tone or the speaking delay not being long enough, I should have the 
>>> problem consistently. But there are certain things that it never ever gets 
>>> wrong. And the App Store is the most glaringly obvious one. It never misses 
>>> opening the App Store.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jun 12, 2023, at 11:08 AM, Cristóbal Muñoz  
> wrote:
 
 Paraphrasing...
 Me: Hey Siri, Call my wife.
 Siri: what do you want to know about XXX
 Me: I want to call my wife.
 Siri: XXX's phone number is XX. Do you want to call?
 Me: Yes, Call my wife.
 Siri: Sorry Something went wrong.
 I can give a myriad of other similar examples too. Siri is still hot 
 garbage all these years later.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
 Mary Otten
 Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 10:45 AM
 To: via VIPhone 
 Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the 
 iOS 16 cycle
 
 Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were complaining about 
 the new tone for Siri and about problems getting Siri to respond 
 appropriately. I was certainly one of those people. N Now, many months 
 later, I’m still one of those people. Certain things I can ask. Siri never 
 screws up. Open the App Store, for instance. I 

Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Mary Otten]

Hi richard,
To be honest, I have not reported to Apple Accessibility. I don’t see it as an 
accessibility problem. It’s a Siri problem having nothing at all to do with 
voiceover. So I’m not sure what good it does to report this to Apple 
accessibility. I have reported more general things in the past, and gotten a 
response that it’s not appropriate to report this here. I can’t remember what 
it was, but that’s why I never report to them unless it’s specifically can be 
tied to something having to do with voiceover.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 12, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> I have been using the iPhone for over 4 years now and I use Siri only in a 
> limited context.  While I can use the text keyboard, I am still quite slow at 
> it and so I choose to use Siri for Text messages. It works quite well if you 
> speak slowly--using some punctuation  and have limited background noise.
> 
> As far as phone calls, I have all important contacts: doctors, pharmacies, 
> family members, friends in contact from which I use the standard navigation 
> techniques to access and dial them. If I have to call someone or some 
> business that is not in my contacts and I know the number, then I use Siri.
> 
> As far as opening apps, I group the ones I use the most into folder--using 
> the edit method of drag and drop and placing these folders on page one of the 
> home scre3en.  Again, I use standard navigation techniques to navigate 
> quickly to the folders and double tap on the program name to access and 
> initiate their functions.
> 
> ...So am I unusual in operating this way?
> 
>> On 6/12/2023 2:22 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
>> I hope you all are reporting this to Apple Accessibility.
>> And, perhaps, asking for a session where they share your screen and can 
>> monitor what is happening and then have you send in a diagnostic report 
>> during that session.
>> Apple will never be able to fix things if they don't have good evidence to 
>> what exactly is going on.
>> accessibil...@apple.com or 877-204-3930
>> 
>> I will get the call x person in my contacts and Siri responding with What do 
>> you want to know about X person, but that is the exception and pretty seldom.
>> I suspect that is a connection issue with my WiFi...
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA.
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
>>  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>> Otten
>> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 11:11 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of 
>> the iOS 16 cycle
>> 
>> Perfect example. And I bet if I tried that on my old phone which I can’t 
>> because it no longer has a Sim, it would probably work perfectly. I’m not 
>> buying this business about the new tone and the delay being the cause. I 
>> interact with Siri the same way all the time. So if it’s the problem with 
>> the tone or the speaking delay not being long enough, I should have the 
>> problem consistently. But there are certain things that it never ever gets 
>> wrong. And the App Store is the most glaringly obvious one. It never misses 
>> opening the App Store.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 12, 2023, at 11:08 AM, Cristóbal Muñoz  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Paraphrasing...
>>> Me: Hey Siri, Call my wife.
>>> Siri: what do you want to know about XXX
>>> Me: I want to call my wife.
>>> Siri: XXX's phone number is XX. Do you want to call?
>>> Me: Yes, Call my wife.
>>> Siri: Sorry Something went wrong.
>>> I can give a myriad of other similar examples too. Siri is still hot 
>>> garbage all these years later.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>>> Otten
>>> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 10:45 AM
>>> To: via VIPhone 
>>> Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the 
>>> iOS 16 cycle
>>> 
>>> Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were complaining about 
>>> the new tone for Siri and about problems getting Siri to respond 
>>> appropriately. I was certainly one of those people. N Now, many months 
>>> later, I’m still one of those people. Certain things I can ask. Siri never 
>>> screws up. Open the App Store, for instance. I don’t think it ever missed 
>>> that command. But open BARD Mobile. Open the name of my credit union, and 
>>> many other open commands as often as not meet with some stupidity about 
>>> what it found on the web or how it doesn’t think I have such an app, even 
>>> though it has opened the app many times in the past. I thought it was 
>>> supposed to have some kind of on device machine learning, which would help 
>>> it disambiguate things it wasn’t sure of. This must not be true, because 
>>> its overall performance has 

Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Mike B.]

Sounds akin to an iOS Laurel and Hardy skit!  LOL  LOL

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

- Original Message - 
From: Cristóbal Muñoz
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 11:07 AM
Subject: RE: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of 
the iOS 16 cycle


Paraphrasing...
Me: Hey Siri, Call my wife.
Siri: what do you want to know about XXX
Me: I want to call my wife.
Siri: XXX's phone number is XX. Do you want to call?
Me: Yes, Call my wife.
Siri: Sorry Something went wrong.
I can give a myriad of other similar examples too. Siri is still hot garbage 
all these years later.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 10:45 AM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the 
iOS 16 cycle

Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were complaining about 
the new tone for Siri and about problems getting Siri to respond 
appropriately. I was certainly one of those people. N Now, many months 
later, I’m still one of those people. Certain things I can ask. Siri never 
screws up. Open the App Store, for instance. I don’t think it ever missed 
that command. But open BARD Mobile. Open the name of my credit union, and 
many other open commands as often as not meet with some stupidity about what 
it found on the web or how it doesn’t think I have such an app, even though 
it has opened the app many times in the past. I thought it was supposed to 
have some kind of on device machine learning, which would help it 
disambiguate things it wasn’t sure of. This must not be true, because its 
overall performance has maintained its low level, whereas on iOS 15, the 
very same Siri with the very same commands yields reasonable results almost 
all of the time. So, whatever Apple did in iOS 16 has not been fixed as far 
as I’m concerned. I can only hope they do better in iOS 17.

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Carolyn Arnold]

I use standard navigation too, and even when I make a call not in my contacts, 
I open phone, go to keypad and make the call. If I have asked Siri for the 
number though, I get Siri to make the call. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ron Canazzi
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 2:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the 
iOS 16 cycle

Hi Group,

I have been using the iPhone for over 4 years now and I use Siri only in a 
limited context.  While I can use the text keyboard, I am still quite slow at 
it and so I choose to use Siri for Text messages. It works quite well if you 
speak slowly--using some punctuation  and have limited background noise.

As far as phone calls, I have all important contacts: doctors, pharmacies, 
family members, friends in contact from which I use the standard navigation 
techniques to access and dial them. If I have to call someone or some business 
that is not in my contacts and I know the number, then I use Siri.

As far as opening apps, I group the ones I use the most into folder--using the 
edit method of drag and drop and placing these folders on page one of the home 
scre3en.  Again, I use standard navigation techniques to navigate quickly to 
the folders and double tap on the program name to access and initiate their 
functions.

...So am I unusual in operating this way?

On 6/12/2023 2:22 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
> I hope you all are reporting this to Apple Accessibility.
> And, perhaps, asking for a session where they share your screen and can 
> monitor what is happening and then have you send in a diagnostic report 
> during that session.
> Apple will never be able to fix things if they don't have good evidence to 
> what exactly is going on.
> accessibil...@apple.com or 877-204-3930
>
> I will get the call x person in my contacts and Siri responding with What do 
> you want to know about X person, but that is the exception and pretty seldom.
> I suspect that is a connection issue with my WiFi...
>
> HTH,
>
>   
>
>
>
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
> with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the 
> Universe
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 11:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the 
> end of the iOS 16 cycle
>
> Perfect example. And I bet if I tried that on my old phone which I can’t 
> because it no longer has a Sim, it would probably work perfectly. I’m not 
> buying this business about the new tone and the delay being the cause. I 
> interact with Siri the same way all the time. So if it’s the problem with the 
> tone or the speaking delay not being long enough, I should have the problem 
> consistently. But there are certain things that it never ever gets wrong. And 
> the App Store is the most glaringly obvious one. It never misses opening the 
> App Store.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 12, 2023, at 11:08 AM, Cristóbal Muñoz  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Paraphrasing...
>> Me: Hey Siri, Call my wife.
>> Siri: what do you want to know about XXX
>> Me: I want to call my wife.
>> Siri: XXX's phone number is XX. Do you want to call?
>> Me: Yes, Call my wife.
>> Siri: Sorry Something went wrong.
>> I can give a myriad of other similar examples too. Siri is still hot garbage 
>> all these years later.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 10:45 AM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end 
>> of the iOS 16 cycle
>>
>> Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were complaining about 
>> the new tone for Siri and about problems getting Siri to respond 
>> appropriately. I was certainly one of those people. N Now, many months 
>> later, I’m still one of those people. Certain things I can ask. Siri never 
>> screws up. Open the App Store, for instance. I don’t think it ever missed 
>> that command. But open BARD Mobile. Open the name of my credit union, and 
>> many other open commands as often as not meet with some stupidity about what 
>> it found on the web or how it doesn’t think I have such an app, even though 
>> it has opened the app many times in the past. I thought it was supposed to 
>> have some kind of on device machine learning, which would help it 
>> disambiguate things it wasn’t sure of. This must not be true, because its 
>> overall performance has maintained its low level, whereas on iOS 15, the 
>> very same Siri with the very same commands yields reasonable results almost 
>> all of the time. So, whatever Apple did in iOS 16 has not been fixed as far 
>> as I’m concerned. I can only hope they do 

RE: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Carolyn Arnold]

Oh yes, that's right:

accessibil...@apple.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 2:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the 
iOS 16 cycle

I hope you all are reporting this to Apple Accessibility.
And, perhaps, asking for a session where they share your screen and can monitor 
what is happening and then have you send in a diagnostic report during that 
session.
Apple will never be able to fix things if they don't have good evidence to what 
exactly is going on.
accessibil...@apple.com or 877-204-3930

I will get the call x person in my contacts and Siri responding with What do 
you want to know about X person, but that is the exception and pretty seldom.
I suspect that is a connection issue with my WiFi...

HTH,

 



Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the 
iOS 16 cycle

Perfect example. And I bet if I tried that on my old phone which I can’t 
because it no longer has a Sim, it would probably work perfectly. I’m not 
buying this business about the new tone and the delay being the cause. I 
interact with Siri the same way all the time. So if it’s the problem with the 
tone or the speaking delay not being long enough, I should have the problem 
consistently. But there are certain things that it never ever gets wrong. And 
the App Store is the most glaringly obvious one. It never misses opening the 
App Store. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 12, 2023, at 11:08 AM, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:
> 
> Paraphrasing... 
> Me: Hey Siri, Call my wife.
> Siri: what do you want to know about XXX
> Me: I want to call my wife.
> Siri: XXX's phone number is XX. Do you want to call?
> Me: Yes, Call my wife.
> Siri: Sorry Something went wrong.
> I can give a myriad of other similar examples too. Siri is still hot garbage 
> all these years later. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 10:45 AM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the 
> iOS 16 cycle
> 
> Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were complaining about 
> the new tone for Siri and about problems getting Siri to respond 
> appropriately. I was certainly one of those people. N Now, many months later, 
> I’m still one of those people. Certain things I can ask. Siri never screws 
> up. Open the App Store, for instance. I don’t think it ever missed that 
> command. But open BARD Mobile. Open the name of my credit union, and many 
> other open commands as often as not meet with some stupidity about what it 
> found on the web or how it doesn’t think I have such an app, even though it 
> has opened the app many times in the past. I thought it was supposed to have 
> some kind of on device machine learning, which would help it disambiguate 
> things it wasn’t sure of. This must not be true, because its overall 
> performance has maintained its low level, whereas on iOS 15, the very same 
> Siri with the very same commands yields reasonable results almost all of the 
> time. So, whatever Apple did in iOS 16 has not been fixed as far as I’m 
> concerned. I can only hope they do better in iOS 17. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Carolyn Arnold]

Good idea to send all of this information to applevis.com. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 1:45 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 
16 cycle

Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were complaining about the 
new tone for Siri and about problems getting Siri to respond appropriately. I 
was certainly one of those people. N Now, many months later, I’m still one of 
those people. Certain things I can ask. Siri never screws up. Open the App 
Store, for instance. I don’t think it ever missed that command. But open BARD 
Mobile. Open the name of my credit union, and many other open commands as often 
as not meet with some stupidity about what it found on the web or how it 
doesn’t think I have such an app, even though it has opened the app many times 
in the past. I thought it was supposed to have some kind of on device machine 
learning, which would help it disambiguate things it wasn’t sure of. This must 
not be true, because its overall performance has maintained its low level, 
whereas on iOS 15, the very same Siri with the very same commands yields 
reasonable results almost all of the time. So, whatever Apple did in iOS 16 has 
not been fixed as far as I’m concerned. I can only hope they do better in iOS 
17. 

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Ron Canazzi]

Hi Group,

I have been using the iPhone for over 4 years now and I use Siri only in 
a limited context.  While I can use the text keyboard, I am still quite 
slow at it and so I choose to use Siri for Text messages. It works quite 
well if you speak slowly--using some punctuation  and have limited 
background noise.


As far as phone calls, I have all important contacts: doctors, 
pharmacies, family members, friends in contact from which I use the 
standard navigation techniques to access and dial them. If I have to 
call someone or some business that is not in my contacts and I know the 
number, then I use Siri.


As far as opening apps, I group the ones I use the most into 
folder--using the edit method of drag and drop and placing these folders 
on page one of the home scre3en.  Again, I use standard navigation 
techniques to navigate quickly to the folders and double tap on the 
program name to access and initiate their functions.


...So am I unusual in operating this way?

On 6/12/2023 2:22 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

I hope you all are reporting this to Apple Accessibility.
And, perhaps, asking for a session where they share your screen and can monitor 
what is happening and then have you send in a diagnostic report during that 
session.
Apple will never be able to fix things if they don't have good evidence to what 
exactly is going on.
accessibil...@apple.com or 877-204-3930

I will get the call x person in my contacts and Siri responding with What do 
you want to know about X person, but that is the exception and pretty seldom.
I suspect that is a connection issue with my WiFi...

HTH,

  




Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the 
iOS 16 cycle

Perfect example. And I bet if I tried that on my old phone which I can’t 
because it no longer has a Sim, it would probably work perfectly. I’m not 
buying this business about the new tone and the delay being the cause. I 
interact with Siri the same way all the time. So if it’s the problem with the 
tone or the speaking delay not being long enough, I should have the problem 
consistently. But there are certain things that it never ever gets wrong. And 
the App Store is the most glaringly obvious one. It never misses opening the 
App Store.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 12, 2023, at 11:08 AM, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:

Paraphrasing...
Me: Hey Siri, Call my wife.
Siri: what do you want to know about XXX
Me: I want to call my wife.
Siri: XXX's phone number is XX. Do you want to call?
Me: Yes, Call my wife.
Siri: Sorry Something went wrong.
I can give a myriad of other similar examples too. Siri is still hot garbage 
all these years later.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 10:45 AM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 
16 cycle

Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were complaining about the 
new tone for Siri and about problems getting Siri to respond appropriately. I 
was certainly one of those people. N Now, many months later, I’m still one of 
those people. Certain things I can ask. Siri never screws up. Open the App 
Store, for instance. I don’t think it ever missed that command. But open BARD 
Mobile. Open the name of my credit union, and many other open commands as often 
as not meet with some stupidity about what it found on the web or how it 
doesn’t think I have such an app, even though it has opened the app many times 
in the past. I thought it was supposed to have some kind of on device machine 
learning, which would help it disambiguate things it wasn’t sure of. This must 
not be true, because its overall performance has maintained its low level, 
whereas on iOS 15, the very same Siri with the very same commands yields 
reasonable results almost all of the time. So, whatever Apple did in iOS 16 has 
not been fixed as far as I’m concerned. I can only hope they do better in iOS 
17.

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Richard Turner]

I hope you all are reporting this to Apple Accessibility.
And, perhaps, asking for a session where they share your screen and can monitor 
what is happening and then have you send in a diagnostic report during that 
session.
Apple will never be able to fix things if they don't have good evidence to what 
exactly is going on.
accessibil...@apple.com or 877-204-3930

I will get the call x person in my contacts and Siri responding with What do 
you want to know about X person, but that is the exception and pretty seldom.
I suspect that is a connection issue with my WiFi...

HTH,

 



Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the 
iOS 16 cycle

Perfect example. And I bet if I tried that on my old phone which I can’t 
because it no longer has a Sim, it would probably work perfectly. I’m not 
buying this business about the new tone and the delay being the cause. I 
interact with Siri the same way all the time. So if it’s the problem with the 
tone or the speaking delay not being long enough, I should have the problem 
consistently. But there are certain things that it never ever gets wrong. And 
the App Store is the most glaringly obvious one. It never misses opening the 
App Store. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 12, 2023, at 11:08 AM, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:
> 
> Paraphrasing... 
> Me: Hey Siri, Call my wife.
> Siri: what do you want to know about XXX
> Me: I want to call my wife.
> Siri: XXX's phone number is XX. Do you want to call?
> Me: Yes, Call my wife.
> Siri: Sorry Something went wrong.
> I can give a myriad of other similar examples too. Siri is still hot garbage 
> all these years later. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 10:45 AM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the 
> iOS 16 cycle
> 
> Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were complaining about 
> the new tone for Siri and about problems getting Siri to respond 
> appropriately. I was certainly one of those people. N Now, many months later, 
> I’m still one of those people. Certain things I can ask. Siri never screws 
> up. Open the App Store, for instance. I don’t think it ever missed that 
> command. But open BARD Mobile. Open the name of my credit union, and many 
> other open commands as often as not meet with some stupidity about what it 
> found on the web or how it doesn’t think I have such an app, even though it 
> has opened the app many times in the past. I thought it was supposed to have 
> some kind of on device machine learning, which would help it disambiguate 
> things it wasn’t sure of. This must not be true, because its overall 
> performance has maintained its low level, whereas on iOS 15, the very same 
> Siri with the very same commands yields reasonable results almost all of the 
> time. So, whatever Apple did in iOS 16 has not been fixed as far as I’m 
> concerned. I can only hope they do better in iOS 17. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Mary Otten]

Perfect example. And I bet if I tried that on my old phone which I can’t 
because it no longer has a Sim, it would probably work perfectly. I’m not 
buying this business about the new tone and the delay being the cause. I 
interact with Siri the same way all the time. So if it’s the problem with the 
tone or the speaking delay not being long enough, I should have the problem 
consistently. But there are certain things that it never ever gets wrong. And 
the App Store is the most glaringly obvious one. It never misses opening the 
App Store. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 12, 2023, at 11:08 AM, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:
> 
> Paraphrasing... 
> Me: Hey Siri, Call my wife.
> Siri: what do you want to know about XXX
> Me: I want to call my wife.
> Siri: XXX's phone number is XX. Do you want to call?
> Me: Yes, Call my wife.
> Siri: Sorry Something went wrong.
> I can give a myriad of other similar examples too. Siri is still hot garbage 
> all these years later. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 10:45 AM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the 
> iOS 16 cycle
> 
> Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were complaining about 
> the new tone for Siri and about problems getting Siri to respond 
> appropriately. I was certainly one of those people. N Now, many months later, 
> I’m still one of those people. Certain things I can ask. Siri never screws 
> up. Open the App Store, for instance. I don’t think it ever missed that 
> command. But open BARD Mobile. Open the name of my credit union, and many 
> other open commands as often as not meet with some stupidity about what it 
> found on the web or how it doesn’t think I have such an app, even though it 
> has opened the app many times in the past. I thought it was supposed to have 
> some kind of on device machine learning, which would help it disambiguate 
> things it wasn’t sure of. This must not be true, because its overall 
> performance has maintained its low level, whereas on iOS 15, the very same 
> Siri with the very same commands yields reasonable results almost all of the 
> time. So, whatever Apple did in iOS 16 has not been fixed as far as I’m 
> concerned. I can only hope they do better in iOS 17. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 16 cycle

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Paraphrasing... 
Me: Hey Siri, Call my wife.
Siri: what do you want to know about XXX
Me: I want to call my wife.
Siri: XXX's phone number is XX. Do you want to call?
Me: Yes, Call my wife.
Siri: Sorry Something went wrong.
I can give a myriad of other similar examples too. Siri is still hot garbage 
all these years later. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 10:45 AM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri’s selective hearing problem still prevails at the end of the iOS 
16 cycle

Way back at the beginning of iOS 16’s cycle, people were complaining about the 
new tone for Siri and about problems getting Siri to respond appropriately. I 
was certainly one of those people. N Now, many months later, I’m still one of 
those people. Certain things I can ask. Siri never screws up. Open the App 
Store, for instance. I don’t think it ever missed that command. But open BARD 
Mobile. Open the name of my credit union, and many other open commands as often 
as not meet with some stupidity about what it found on the web or how it 
doesn’t think I have such an app, even though it has opened the app many times 
in the past. I thought it was supposed to have some kind of on device machine 
learning, which would help it disambiguate things it wasn’t sure of. This must 
not be true, because its overall performance has maintained its low level, 
whereas on iOS 15, the very same Siri with the very same commands yields 
reasonable results almost all of the time. So, whatever Apple did in iOS 16 has 
not been fixed as far as I’m concerned. I can only hope they do better in iOS 
17. 

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