RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Davy,

In fact I think it is completely appropriate that if somebody thinks they have 
noticed a bug or behaviour which seems to not be what it should to ask on the 
list first. The fact is that in quite a few cases something which appears to be 
a bug may not be one, I have seen so many instances where you have reported a 
so-called "major bug" or "deal breaker" and nobody else could reproduce it. I 
am not saying that there can't be issues which affect just a very few number of 
people or devices, that does happen in iOS as well as with Windows 10 PC's, but 
I have equally often seen people report what they thought was a bug and in the 
end a reboot of their device cleared up the strange behaviour or maybe 
something was changed which made people think it was a bug where in fact it was 
what Apple intended. Reporting issues which are known bugs to Apple is 
absolutely a good thing and I have myself encouraged people to do this and to 
do so in large numbers and not to rely on 3 active users to do this, but there 
is such a thing as the middle ground and going crazy in either direction is not 
always good.

Take care,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
Cuppens
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 4:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

Dear Christopher and others

The only thing that frustrates me is the resigned lazyness of almost the whole 
blind community.
I've been dealing with Apple products now for 6 years and have had contact with 
many devs and people in the accessibility team and they all report the same. 
Very few reports are made by voiceover users about bugs or proposals to make 
things better.

Indeed it is good here on the list to report bugs, as long as you did so before 
with Apple and 90% of us won't do this.

I am on a social whatsapp citizens network to prevent our neighbourhood for 
burglary and there it is just the same, yes it is good to report suspicious 
things but please at first, do inform the police emergency number and really 
90% of the folks won't do that. That's the same for our bugs to report to 
Apple. First report to Apple then report us.

Davy



-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 1:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

Wow, I'm not sure where this is coming from. Talking about a bug on this list 
doesn't mean that people aren't doing anything. People can talk about an issue 
on this list and report it to Apple as well. I also can't remember the last 
time I saw someone complaining about a bug in IOS and threatening to go to 
Android, but it's very likely that I just missed such a post since it just 
doesn't bother me which device people are using and why they move from one to 
another. I hope a post like this doesn't discourage people from talking about 
bugs on this list. As important as it is to report bugs to Apple, it's also 
good for the community to talk about bugs and learn from each other how to work 
around such bugs while waiting for Apple to address these bugs. It's also 
perfectly OK for people to get frustrated with Apple when a bug is reported and 
yet still hangs around without being addressed release after release. As 
important as smart phones are to everyone these days, and given how much we pay 
for our iPhones, we have the right to ask for long standing bugs to be 
addressed. We're no different then our sighted peers in this respect.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Davy Cuppens
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 4:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app 
> lost focus issue?
>
> Sieghard you got the point indeed I am not gona send them A10s 
> fighters planes
> (grin) to bomb the company but I am simply reporting them every 
> remaining bug every 2 weeks if they like it or not but for all those 
> that are only moaning and complaining here, then do nothing and stay 
> with your bugs that you are all liking so much. And please stop 
> moaning and complaining about them simply live with it or go to 
> android. I'm so fed up with that extremely lefty and resigning 
> attitude of 90% of the vips on earth.
> Davy
>
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app 
> lost focus issue?
>
> I think Davy is simply saying in a slightly dramatic way that 
> everybody should write to Apple Accessibility about this and other 
> bugs.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:48 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> 

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Dave]

I for one, don't know the whole blind community. and not quite sure, where 
you get your percentages from?


Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Davy Cuppens

Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 12:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?


Dear Christopher and others

The only thing that frustrates me is the resigned lazyness of almost the
whole blind community.
I've been dealing with Apple products now for 6 years and have had contact
with many devs and people in the accessibility team and they all report the
same. Very few reports are made by voiceover users about bugs or proposals
to make things better.

Indeed it is good here on the list to report bugs, as long as you did so
before with Apple and 90% of us won't do this.

I am on a social whatsapp citizens network to prevent our neighbourhood for
burglary and there it is just the same, yes it is good to report suspicious
things but please at first, do inform the police emergency number and really
90% of the folks won't do that. That's the same for our bugs to report to
Apple. First report to Apple then report us.

Davy



-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: chalt...@gmail.com

Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 1:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost
focus issue?

Wow, I'm not sure where this is coming from. Talking about a bug on this
list doesn't mean that people aren't doing anything. People can talk about
an issue on this list and report it to Apple as well. I also can't remember
the last time I saw someone complaining about a bug in IOS and threatening
to go to Android, but it's very likely that I just missed such a post since
it just doesn't bother me which device people are using and why they move
from one to another. I hope a post like this doesn't discourage people from
talking about bugs on this list. As important as it is to report bugs to
Apple, it's also good for the community to talk about bugs and learn from
each other how to work around such bugs while waiting for Apple to address
these bugs. It's also perfectly OK for people to get frustrated with Apple
when a bug is reported and yet still hangs around without being addressed
release after release. As important as smart phones are to everyone these
days, and given how much we pay for our iPhones, we have the right to ask
for long standing bugs to be addressed. We're no different then our sighted
peers in this respect.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Davy Cuppens
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 4:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus

issue?

Sieghard you got the point indeed I am not gona send them A10s fighters 
planes
(grin) to bomb the company but I am simply reporting them every remaining 
bug
every 2 weeks if they like it or not but for all those that are only 
moaning and
complaining here, then do nothing and stay with your bugs that you are all 
liking
so much. And please stop moaning and complaining about them simply live 
with
it or go to android. I'm so fed up with that extremely lefty and resigning 
attitude

of 90% of the vips on earth.
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus

issue?

I think Davy is simply saying in a slightly dramatic way that everybody 
should

write to Apple Accessibility about this and other bugs.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of
Carolyn
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost
focus issue?

I'm with you though, Lynn.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Lynn White
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost
focus issue?

No.  Bombing any server is a rotten idea.  That is a very negative action
and is likely not to receive a positive reaction.

I hope that the moderator will not mind me saying this.  But whenever I 
hear
that someone wants to “bomb” a company, it sounds like spoiled brats 
wanting
their way using any means necessary.  Not casting personal attacks on 
anyone

whatsoever.

There are probably several useful methods that we can use to point out
problems witha service or app.  The one that comes to mind in this 
situation

is to send a detailed description of the problem to the Apple Accessible
team each time a new major update happens.

It would probably be quite helpful to thank the team for any improvements
that are made and point those improvements out.

I’m just thinking of 

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Davy Cuppens]

Dear Christopher and others

The only thing that frustrates me is the resigned lazyness of almost the 
whole blind community.
I've been dealing with Apple products now for 6 years and have had contact 
with many devs and people in the accessibility team and they all report the 
same. Very few reports are made by voiceover users about bugs or proposals 
to make things better.


Indeed it is good here on the list to report bugs, as long as you did so 
before with Apple and 90% of us won't do this.


I am on a social whatsapp citizens network to prevent our neighbourhood for 
burglary and there it is just the same, yes it is good to report suspicious 
things but please at first, do inform the police emergency number and really 
90% of the folks won't do that. That's the same for our bugs to report to 
Apple. First report to Apple then report us.


Davy



-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: chalt...@gmail.com

Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 1:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?


Wow, I'm not sure where this is coming from. Talking about a bug on this 
list doesn't mean that people aren't doing anything. People can talk about 
an issue on this list and report it to Apple as well. I also can't remember 
the last time I saw someone complaining about a bug in IOS and threatening 
to go to Android, but it's very likely that I just missed such a post since 
it just doesn't bother me which device people are using and why they move 
from one to another. I hope a post like this doesn't discourage people from 
talking about bugs on this list. As important as it is to report bugs to 
Apple, it's also good for the community to talk about bugs and learn from 
each other how to work around such bugs while waiting for Apple to address 
these bugs. It's also perfectly OK for people to get frustrated with Apple 
when a bug is reported and yet still hangs around without being addressed 
release after release. As important as smart phones are to everyone these 
days, and given how much we pay for our iPhones, we have the right to ask 
for long standing bugs to be addressed. We're no different then our sighted 
peers in this respect.


--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Davy Cuppens
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 4:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus

issue?

Sieghard you got the point indeed I am not gona send them A10s fighters 
planes
(grin) to bomb the company but I am simply reporting them every remaining 
bug
every 2 weeks if they like it or not but for all those that are only 
moaning and
complaining here, then do nothing and stay with your bugs that you are all 
liking
so much. And please stop moaning and complaining about them simply live 
with
it or go to android. I'm so fed up with that extremely lefty and resigning 
attitude

of 90% of the vips on earth.
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus

issue?

I think Davy is simply saying in a slightly dramatic way that everybody 
should

write to Apple Accessibility about this and other bugs.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of
Carolyn
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost
focus issue?

I'm with you though, Lynn.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Lynn White
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost
focus issue?

No.  Bombing any server is a rotten idea.  That is a very negative action
and is likely not to receive a positive reaction.

I hope that the moderator will not mind me saying this.  But whenever I 
hear
that someone wants to “bomb” a company, it sounds like spoiled brats 
wanting
their way using any means necessary.  Not casting personal attacks on 
anyone

whatsoever.

There are probably several useful methods that we can use to point out
problems witha service or app.  The one that comes to mind in this 
situation

is to send a detailed description of the problem to the Apple Accessible
team each time a new major update happens.

It would probably be quite helpful to thank the team for any improvements
that are made and point those improvements out.

I’m just thinking of how I would receive such a helpful message if I was 
on

such a team.

I hope that this is helpful and trust me, I am not at all downing people 
who

might disagree with me.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 22, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:




BOMB do bomb their servers every day 

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[chaltain]

Wow, I'm not sure where this is coming from. Talking about a bug on this list 
doesn't mean that people aren't doing anything. People can talk about an issue 
on this list and report it to Apple as well. I also can't remember the last 
time I saw someone complaining about a bug in IOS and threatening to go to 
Android, but it's very likely that I just missed such a post since it just 
doesn't bother me which device people are using and why they move from one to 
another. I hope a post like this doesn't discourage people from talking about 
bugs on this list. As important as it is to report bugs to Apple, it's also 
good for the community to talk about bugs and learn from each other how to work 
around such bugs while waiting for Apple to address these bugs. It's also 
perfectly OK for people to get frustrated with Apple when a bug is reported and 
yet still hangs around without being addressed release after release. As 
important as smart phones are to everyone these days, and given how much we pay 
for our iPhones, we have the right to ask for long standing bugs to be 
addressed. We're no different then our sighted peers in this respect.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Davy Cuppens
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 4:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus
> issue?
> 
> Sieghard you got the point indeed I am not gona send them A10s fighters planes
> (grin) to bomb the company but I am simply reporting them every remaining bug
> every 2 weeks if they like it or not but for all those that are only moaning 
> and
> complaining here, then do nothing and stay with your bugs that you are all 
> liking
> so much. And please stop moaning and complaining about them simply live with
> it or go to android. I'm so fed up with that extremely lefty and resigning 
> attitude
> of 90% of the vips on earth.
> Davy
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus
> issue?
> 
> I think Davy is simply saying in a slightly dramatic way that everybody should
> write to Apple Accessibility about this and other bugs.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of
> Carolyn
> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:48 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost
> focus issue?
> 
> I'm with you though, Lynn.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Lynn White
> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost
> focus issue?
> 
> No.  Bombing any server is a rotten idea.  That is a very negative action
> and is likely not to receive a positive reaction.
> 
> I hope that the moderator will not mind me saying this.  But whenever I hear
> that someone wants to “bomb” a company, it sounds like spoiled brats wanting
> their way using any means necessary.  Not casting personal attacks on anyone
> whatsoever.
> 
> There are probably several useful methods that we can use to point out
> problems witha service or app.  The one that comes to mind in this situation
> is to send a detailed description of the problem to the Apple Accessible
> team each time a new major update happens.
> 
> It would probably be quite helpful to thank the team for any improvements
> that are made and point those improvements out.
> 
> I’m just thinking of how I would receive such a helpful message if I was on
> such a team.
> 
> I hope that this is helpful and trust me, I am not at all downing people who
> might disagree with me.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On May 22, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> BOMB do bomb their servers every day on and on and on!
> You are all saying of course we do, but maybe when 2000 read this just 2 or
> 3 will do so because I feel blinds are often so uncomplained resigned people
> others will do that in my place me I do not have the writing skills to do so
> and other bad reasons not to write to Apple.
> 
> So, now, this evening, everybody involved with this tramendous bug DO report
> it now and let’s say every week again and again!
> 
> Davy
> 
> From: Lynn White 
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost
> focus issue?
> 
> Hi Allen,
> 
> This is so refreshing to hear.  I have a friend who, every time there is an
> update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of ways
> other than children of God.
> 
> I encourage him to either write to 

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Davy Cuppens]

Sieghard you got the point indeed I am not gona send them A10s fighters 
planes (grin) to bomb the company but I am simply reporting them every 
remaining bug every 2 weeks if they like it or not but for all those that 
are only moaning and complaining here, then do nothing and stay with your 
bugs that you are all liking so much. And please stop moaning and 
complaining about them simply live with it or go to android. I'm so fed up 
with that extremely lefty and resigning attitude of 90% of the vips on 
earth.

Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?


I think Davy is simply saying in a slightly dramatic way that everybody 
should write to Apple Accessibility about this and other bugs.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Carolyn

Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?


I'm with you though, Lynn.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Lynn White

Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?


No.  Bombing any server is a rotten idea.  That is a very negative action 
and is likely not to receive a positive reaction.


I hope that the moderator will not mind me saying this.  But whenever I hear 
that someone wants to “bomb” a company, it sounds like spoiled brats wanting 
their way using any means necessary.  Not casting personal attacks on anyone 
whatsoever.


There are probably several useful methods that we can use to point out 
problems witha service or app.  The one that comes to mind in this situation 
is to send a detailed description of the problem to the Apple Accessible 
team each time a new major update happens.


It would probably be quite helpful to thank the team for any improvements 
that are made and point those improvements out.


I’m just thinking of how I would receive such a helpful message if I was on 
such a team.


I hope that this is helpful and trust me, I am not at all downing people who 
might disagree with me.



Sent from my iPhone


On May 22, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:




BOMB do bomb their servers every day on and on and on!
You are all saying of course we do, but maybe when 2000 read this just 2 or 
3 will do so because I feel blinds are often so uncomplained resigned people 
others will do that in my place me I do not have the writing skills to do so 
and other bad reasons not to write to Apple.


So, now, this evening, everybody involved with this tramendous bug DO report 
it now and let’s say every week again and again!


Davy

From: Lynn White 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?


Hi Allen,

This is so refreshing to hear.  I have a friend who, every time there is an 
update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of ways 
other than children of God.


I encourage him to either write to Accessibility and/or become a beta tester 
which he would be great at.  To this day, he has done neither.


And you’re right.  It will take beating that drum patiently and courteously 
until this issue is fixed.  It probably won’t be until maybe IOS 14 comes 
out.



Sent from my iPhone


On May 21, 2020, at 2:24 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
 wrote:





Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple.  I’ve sent them an 
e-mail.


Kim


On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:






Yes, anyone experiencing this should write accessibil...@apple.com 









Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, 
Oregon.






From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?




Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.




So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?




Thanks for any direction.



Kim









On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  > wrote:




Hi List,



I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've 
reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review 
emails in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the 
message on which I'm located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to 
do any better with iOS 13.5 than it 

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I think Davy is simply saying in a slightly dramatic way that everybody should 
write to Apple Accessibility about this and other bugs.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

I'm with you though, Lynn. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lynn White
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

No.  Bombing any server is a rotten idea.  That is a very negative action and 
is likely not to receive a positive reaction.

I hope that the moderator will not mind me saying this.  But whenever I hear 
that someone wants to “bomb” a company, it sounds like spoiled brats wanting 
their way using any means necessary.  Not casting personal attacks on anyone 
whatsoever.

There are probably several useful methods that we can use to point out problems 
witha service or app.  The one that comes to mind in this situation is to send 
a detailed description of the problem to the Apple Accessible team each time a 
new major update happens.

It would probably be quite helpful to thank the team for any improvements that 
are made and point those improvements out.  

I’m just thinking of how I would receive such a helpful message if I was on 
such a team.

I hope that this is helpful and trust me, I am not at all downing people who 
might disagree with me.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 22, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:



 
BOMB do bomb their servers every day on and on and on!
You are all saying of course we do, but maybe when 2000 read this just 
2 or 3 will do so because I feel blinds are often so uncomplained resigned 
people others will do that in my place me I do not have the writing skills to 
do so and other bad reasons not to write to Apple.
 
So, now, this evening, everybody involved with this tramendous bug DO 
report it now and let’s say every week again and again!
 
Davy 
 
From: Lynn White   
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com   
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app 
lost focus issue?
 
Hi Allen, 
 
This is so refreshing to hear.  I have a friend who, every time there 
is an update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of 
ways other than children of God.
 
I encourage him to either write to Accessibility and/or become a beta 
tester which he would be great at.  To this day, he has done neither.
 
And you’re right.  It will take beating that drum patiently and 
courteously until this issue is fixed.  It probably won’t be until maybe IOS 14 
comes out.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 21, 2020, at 2:24 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
 wrote:



 
Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple.  I’ve sent 
them an e-mail.
 
Kim


On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner 
 wrote:



 

Yes, anyone experiencing this should write 
accessibil...@apple.com  

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a 
window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and 
native Mail app lost focus issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group 
about this but didn’t know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for 
that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  
Write to Apple accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 





On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:

  

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Alan Lemly]

Christopher,

 

I'm also liking what I'm experiencing with the Outlook app. I'll know more 
tomorrow when I process my first batch of new Inbox messages on the iPhone 
using Outlook.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 9:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

I’m pretty happy with the Outlook app, but I’m still trying to get the hang od 
dealing with specific messages within a thread, but this is also the current 
issue with the native mail app, so I’m still using the Outlook app right now as 
my primary email app. I’m just not using my iPhone for email as much right now, 
since I’m not traveling and my PC is always so close. Because of this, I’m just 
not putting the Outlook app through it’s paces.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 10:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Christopher,

 

I'd be curious as to your take on the Outlook app versus the native Mail app. I 
didn't have much luck with the Outlook app when I first looked at it but that's 
been a number of years ago. I received one of those generic replies from Apple 
Accessibility about the native Mail lost focus issue so I can't say I was 
encouraged by it. I sort of expected a more on point reply to an issue I've 
reported at least three times and which has been around ever since iOS 13 came 
out.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 4:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

For me, after writing to Apple accessibility, I’m giving the Outlook app a 
spin. It seems to handle threads better but I haven’t decided if I like it 
better over all or not.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 

 

On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:



Hi List,

 

I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.

 

Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.

 

Thanks in advance for your comments.

 

Alan Lemly

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RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[chaltain]

I’m pretty happy with the Outlook app, but I’m still trying to get the hang od 
dealing with specific messages within a thread, but this is also the current 
issue with the native mail app, so I’m still using the Outlook app right now as 
my primary email app. I’m just not using my iPhone for email as much right now, 
since I’m not traveling and my PC is always so close. Because of this, I’m just 
not putting the Outlook app through it’s paces.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 10:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Christopher,

 

I'd be curious as to your take on the Outlook app versus the native Mail app. I 
didn't have much luck with the Outlook app when I first looked at it but that's 
been a number of years ago. I received one of those generic replies from Apple 
Accessibility about the native Mail lost focus issue so I can't say I was 
encouraged by it. I sort of expected a more on point reply to an issue I've 
reported at least three times and which has been around ever since iOS 13 came 
out.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com 
 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 4:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

For me, after writing to Apple accessibility, I’m giving the Outlook app a 
spin. It seems to handle threads better but I haven’t decided if I like it 
better over all or not.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 

 

On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi List,

 

I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.

 

Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.

 

Thanks in advance for your comments.

 

Alan Lemly

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Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Alan,

Well, I’ve had no focus issues which is the reason I’m using Outlook at this 
point. I’d like to mail app but I really have grown very tired of the focus 
issues that have lasted for several months. I hope it works out for you when 
you try it.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Alan 
Lemly 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 5:26:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?


Hi Les,



Thanks for the Outlook suggestion. I'm trying it now and it seems to be working 
very well. I just have to get used to its differing terminology. I like that 
the native Mail app references All mail when you want to see everything and 
Outlook uses Archive for its terminology the best I can tell. I'll know better 
how I like it when I try it first thing in the morning to review the messages 
in my Inbox to see how it handles focus.



Alan



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?



Hi Alan,



Well, I’ve been using Outlook for the past couple of weeks. I’ve given up on 
Apple fixing the mail issues and I’ve gone to Outlook instead. It does seem to 
be working much better. With the Mail app, I could go through messages OK but 
once I open the message and came out of it, then the problem started. Focus was 
totally lost. I’ve written Apple about it and I know others have as well, but 
it doesn’t seem like it’s going to be fixed this round. I sure hope when they 
come out with a new operating system which will be version 14, this issue will 
have been resolved



Get Outlook for iOS



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Alan 
Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:02:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?



Christopher,



I'd be curious as to your take on the Outlook app versus the native Mail app. I 
didn't have much luck with the Outlook app when I first looked at it but that's 
been a number of years ago. I received one of those generic replies from Apple 
Accessibility about the native Mail lost focus issue so I can't say I was 
encouraged by it. I sort of expected a more on point reply to an issue I've 
reported at least three times and which has been around ever since iOS 13 came 
out.



Alan



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 4:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?



For me, after writing to Apple accessibility, I’m giving the Outlook app a 
spin. It seems to handle threads better but I haven’t decided if I like it 
better over all or not.



--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail



From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?



Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.



So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?



Thanks for any direction.



Kim







On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Hi List,



I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.



Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.



Thanks in advance for your comments.



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RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Les,

 

Thanks for the Outlook suggestion. I'm trying it now and it seems to be working 
very well. I just have to get used to its differing terminology. I like that 
the native Mail app references All mail when you want to see everything and 
Outlook uses Archive for its terminology the best I can tell. I'll know better 
how I like it when I try it first thing in the morning to review the messages 
in my Inbox to see how it handles focus.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Hi Alan,

 

Well, I’ve been using Outlook for the past couple of weeks. I’ve given up on 
Apple fixing the mail issues and I’ve gone to Outlook instead. It does seem to 
be working much better. With the Mail app, I could go through messages OK but 
once I open the message and came out of it, then the problem started. Focus was 
totally lost. I’ve written Apple about it and I know others have as well, but 
it doesn’t seem like it’s going to be fixed this round. I sure hope when they 
come out with a new operating system which will be version 14, this issue will 
have been resolved 

 

Get Outlook for iOS  

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Alan 
Lemly 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:02:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue? 

 

Christopher,

 

I'd be curious as to your take on the Outlook app versus the native Mail app. I 
didn't have much luck with the Outlook app when I first looked at it but that's 
been a number of years ago. I received one of those generic replies from Apple 
Accessibility about the native Mail lost focus issue so I can't say I was 
encouraged by it. I sort of expected a more on point reply to an issue I've 
reported at least three times and which has been around ever since iOS 13 came 
out.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 4:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

For me, after writing to Apple accessibility, I’m giving the Outlook app a 
spin. It seems to handle threads better but I haven’t decided if I like it 
better over all or not.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 

 

On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:



Hi List,

 

I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.

 

Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.

 

Thanks in advance for your comments.

 

Alan Lemly

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RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Carolyn]

I'm with you though, Lynn. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lynn White
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

No.  Bombing any server is a rotten idea.  That is a very negative action and 
is likely not to receive a positive reaction.

I hope that the moderator will not mind me saying this.  But whenever I hear 
that someone wants to “bomb” a company, it sounds like spoiled brats wanting 
their way using any means necessary.  Not casting personal attacks on anyone 
whatsoever.

There are probably several useful methods that we can use to point out problems 
witha service or app.  The one that comes to mind in this situation is to send 
a detailed description of the problem to the Apple Accessible team each time a 
new major update happens.

It would probably be quite helpful to thank the team for any improvements that 
are made and point those improvements out.  

I’m just thinking of how I would receive such a helpful message if I was on 
such a team.

I hope that this is helpful and trust me, I am not at all downing people who 
might disagree with me.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 22, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:



 
BOMB do bomb their servers every day on and on and on!
You are all saying of course we do, but maybe when 2000 read this just 
2 or 3 will do so because I feel blinds are often so uncomplained resigned 
people others will do that in my place me I do not have the writing skills to 
do so and other bad reasons not to write to Apple.
 
So, now, this evening, everybody involved with this tramendous bug DO 
report it now and let’s say every week again and again!
 
Davy 
 
From: Lynn White   
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com   
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app 
lost focus issue?
 
Hi Allen, 
 
This is so refreshing to hear.  I have a friend who, every time there 
is an update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of 
ways other than children of God.
 
I encourage him to either write to Accessibility and/or become a beta 
tester which he would be great at.  To this day, he has done neither.
 
And you’re right.  It will take beating that drum patiently and 
courteously until this issue is fixed.  It probably won’t be until maybe IOS 14 
comes out.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 21, 2020, at 2:24 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
 wrote:



 
Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple.  I’ve sent 
them an e-mail.
 
Kim


On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner 
 wrote:



 

Yes, anyone experiencing this should write 
accessibil...@apple.com  

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a 
window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and 
native Mail app lost focus issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group 
about this but didn’t know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for 
that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  
Write to Apple accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 





On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi List,

 

I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app 
loses focus when I've reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail 
account and review emails in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain 
focus on the message on which I'm located ever 

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Lynn White]

No.  Bombing any server is a rotten idea.  That is a very negative action and 
is likely not to receive a positive reaction.

I hope that the moderator will not mind me saying this.  But whenever I hear 
that someone wants to “bomb” a company, it sounds like spoiled brats wanting 
their way using any means necessary.  Not casting personal attacks on anyone 
whatsoever.

There are probably several useful methods that we can use to point out problems 
witha service or app.  The one that comes to mind in this situation is to send 
a detailed description of the problem to the Apple Accessible team each time a 
new major update happens.

It would probably be quite helpful to thank the team for any improvements that 
are made and point those improvements out.  

I’m just thinking of how I would receive such a helpful message if I was on 
such a team.

I hope that this is helpful and trust me, I am not at all downing people who 
might disagree with me.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
> 
> 
> BOMB do bomb their servers every day on and on and on!
> You are all saying of course we do, but maybe when 2000 read this just 2 or 3 
> will do so because I feel blinds are often so uncomplained resigned people 
> others will do that in my place me I do not have the writing skills to do so 
> and other bad reasons not to write to Apple.
>  
> So, now, this evening, everybody involved with this tramendous bug DO report 
> it now and let’s say every week again and again!
>  
> Davy
>  
> From: Lynn White
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
> focus issue?
>  
> Hi Allen,
>  
> This is so refreshing to hear.  I have a friend who, every time there is an 
> update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of ways 
> other than children of God.
>  
> I encourage him to either write to Accessibility and/or become a beta tester 
> which he would be great at.  To this day, he has done neither.
>  
> And you’re right.  It will take beating that drum patiently and courteously 
> until this issue is fixed.  It probably won’t be until maybe IOS 14 comes out.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 21, 2020, at 2:24 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple.  I’ve sent them an e-mail.
>>  
>> Kim
>> 
>>> On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes, anyone experiencing this should write accessibil...@apple.com
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Richard
>>> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, 
>>> Oregon.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
>>> focus issue?
>>>  
>>> Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but 
>>> didn’t know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.
>>>  
>>> So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
>>> accessibility?
>>>  
>>> Thanks for any direction.
>>>  
>>> Kim
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>>  
>>> I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've 
>>> reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review 
>>> emails in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the 
>>> message on which I'm located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to 
>>> do any better with iOS 13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new 
>>> email comes in while focus is at the bottom of the screen on a much older 
>>> message, focus is jumping to this new email. It also isn't keeping focus 
>>> correctly when I expand a thread containing multiple messages.
>>>  
>>> Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with 
>>> procedures to work with this focus issue because I find going through my 
>>> new emails each morning to be a major pain and time waster.
>>>  
>>> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>>>  
>>> Alan Lemly
>>> -- 
>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>>>  
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
>>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
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Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Davy Cuppens]

BOMB do bomb their servers every day on and on and on!
You are all saying of course we do, but maybe when 2000 read this just 2 or 3 
will do so because I feel blinds are often so uncomplained resigned people 
others will do that in my place me I do not have the writing skills to do so 
and other bad reasons not to write to Apple.

So, now, this evening, everybody involved with this tramendous bug DO report it 
now and let’s say every week again and again!

Davy 

From: Lynn White 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

Hi Allen, 

This is so refreshing to hear.  I have a friend who, every time there is an 
update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of ways 
other than children of God.

I encourage him to either write to Accessibility and/or become a beta tester 
which he would be great at.  To this day, he has done neither.

And you’re right.  It will take beating that drum patiently and courteously 
until this issue is fixed.  It probably won’t be until maybe IOS 14 comes out.


Sent from my iPhone


  On May 21, 2020, at 2:24 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


   
  Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple.  I’ve sent them an e-mail.

  Kim


On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


 
Yes, anyone experiencing this should write accessibil...@apple.com

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, 
Oregon.

 

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but 
didn’t know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 





  On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

  

  Hi List,

   

  I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've 
reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails 
in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on 
which I'm located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better 
with iOS 13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while 
focus is at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping 
to this new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.

   

  Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with 
procedures to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new 
emails each morning to be a major pain and time waster.

   

  Thanks in advance for your comments.

   

  Alan Lemly

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Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Alan,

Well, I’ve been using Outlook for the past couple of weeks. I’ve given up on 
Apple fixing the mail issues and I’ve gone to Outlook instead. It does seem to 
be working much better. With the Mail app, I could go through messages OK but 
once I open the message and came out of it, then the problem started. Focus was 
totally lost. I’ve written Apple about it and I know others have as well, but 
it doesn’t seem like it’s going to be fixed this round. I sure hope when they 
come out with a new operating system which will be version 14, this issue will 
have been resolved

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Alan 
Lemly 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:02:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?


Christopher,



I'd be curious as to your take on the Outlook app versus the native Mail app. I 
didn't have much luck with the Outlook app when I first looked at it but that's 
been a number of years ago. I received one of those generic replies from Apple 
Accessibility about the native Mail lost focus issue so I can't say I was 
encouraged by it. I sort of expected a more on point reply to an issue I've 
reported at least three times and which has been around ever since iOS 13 came 
out.



Alan



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 4:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?



For me, after writing to Apple accessibility, I’m giving the Outlook app a 
spin. It seems to handle threads better but I haven’t decided if I like it 
better over all or not.



--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail



From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?



Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.



So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?



Thanks for any direction.



Kim







On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Hi List,



I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.



Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.



Thanks in advance for your comments.



Alan Lemly

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RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Alan Lemly]

Christopher,

 

I'd be curious as to your take on the Outlook app versus the native Mail app. I 
didn't have much luck with the Outlook app when I first looked at it but that's 
been a number of years ago. I received one of those generic replies from Apple 
Accessibility about the native Mail lost focus issue so I can't say I was 
encouraged by it. I sort of expected a more on point reply to an issue I've 
reported at least three times and which has been around ever since iOS 13 came 
out.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 4:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

For me, after writing to Apple accessibility, I’m giving the Outlook app a 
spin. It seems to handle threads better but I haven’t decided if I like it 
better over all or not.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 

 

On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:



Hi List,

 

I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.

 

Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.

 

Thanks in advance for your comments.

 

Alan Lemly

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RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[chaltain]

For me, after writing to Apple accessibility, I’m giving the Outlook app a 
spin. It seems to handle threads better but I haven’t decided if I like it 
better over all or not.

 

--

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Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 





On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi List,

 

I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.

 

Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.

 

Thanks in advance for your comments.

 

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Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Donna Casteen]

I don't use email threads, more than one email within an email, so I can't 
comment on this. I'm having no problems with voiceover losing focus with 
individual emails, as long as the annoying vertical scrollbar is at 0% for the 
top email & at 100% for the last email & if I'm within the middle of the email 
list, with the vertical scrollbar at the proper precentage corresponding to the 
email in focus. I'm using the native Apple mail appchecking my gmail & AT 
mail accounts.

Donna
> 
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've 
> reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review 
> emails in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the 
> message on which I'm located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to 
> do any better with iOS 13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email 
> comes in while focus is at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, 
> focus is jumping to this new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly 
> when I expand a thread containing multiple messages.
>  
> Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with 
> procedures to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new 
> emails each morning to be a major pain and time waster.
>  
> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>  
> Alan Lemly
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RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Lynn,

 

I agree. The only way to get things changed is to consistently ask politely. 
I've found that the old adage about catching more flies with honey than vinegar 
applies with anything where people are involved.

 

I've sent my third email to Apple Accessibility about the native Mail focus 
issue and hopefully I'll hear something back.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lynn White
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 2:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Hi Allen,

 

This is so refreshing to hear.  I have a friend who, every time there is an 
update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of ways 
other than children of God.

 

I encourage him to either write to Accessibility and/or become a beta tester 
which he would be great at.  To this day, he has done neither.

 

And you’re right.  It will take beating that drum patiently and courteously 
until this issue is fixed.  It probably won’t be until maybe IOS 14 comes out.

Sent from my iPhone





On May 21, 2020, at 2:24 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
 wrote:



Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple.  I’ve sent them an e-mail.

 

Kim





On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

 

Yes, anyone experiencing this should write accessibil...@apple.com

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 






On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:



Hi List,

 

I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.

 

Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.

 

Thanks in advance for your comments.

 

Alan Lemly

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Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Lynn White]

Hi Allen,

This is so refreshing to hear.  I have a friend who, every time there is an 
update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of ways 
other than children of God.

I encourage him to either write to Accessibility and/or become a beta tester 
which he would be great at.  To this day, he has done neither.

And you’re right.  It will take beating that drum patiently and courteously 
until this issue is fixed.  It probably won’t be until maybe IOS 14 comes out.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 21, 2020, at 2:24 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple.  I’ve sent them an e-mail.
> 
> Kim
> 
>>> On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Yes, anyone experiencing this should write accessibil...@apple.com
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Richard
>> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
>>  
>>  
>> From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
>> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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>> focus issue?
>>  
>> Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
>> know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.
>>  
>> So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
>> accessibility?
>>  
>> Thanks for any direction.
>>  
>> Kim
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi List,
>>  
>> I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've 
>> reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review 
>> emails in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the 
>> message on which I'm located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to 
>> do any better with iOS 13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new 
>> email comes in while focus is at the bottom of the screen on a much older 
>> message, focus is jumping to this new email. It also isn't keeping focus 
>> correctly when I expand a thread containing multiple messages.
>>  
>> Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with 
>> procedures to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new 
>> emails each morning to be a major pain and time waster.
>>  
>> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>>  
>> Alan Lemly
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Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

['Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone]

Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple.  I’ve sent them an e-mail.

Kim

> On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, anyone experiencing this should write accessibil...@apple.com
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
>  
>  
> From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
> focus issue?
>  
> Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
> know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.
>  
> So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
> accessibility?
>  
> Thanks for any direction.
>  
> Kim
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've 
> reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review 
> emails in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the 
> message on which I'm located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to 
> do any better with iOS 13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email 
> comes in while focus is at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, 
> focus is jumping to this new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly 
> when I expand a thread containing multiple messages.
>  
> Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with 
> procedures to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new 
> emails each morning to be a major pain and time waster.
>  
> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>  
> Alan Lemly
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RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Richard Turner]

Yes, anyone experiencing this should write 
accessibil...@apple.com



Richard
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From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

Thanks for any direction.

Kim




On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi List,

I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.

Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.

Thanks in advance for your comments.

Alan Lemly
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Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Holly]

Kim:

I don’t use my phone much for email, but I have found, that the more people 
that report a problem to Apple accessibility, the better.

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['Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone]

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

Thanks for any direction.

Kim



> On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've 
> reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review 
> emails in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the 
> message on which I'm located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to 
> do any better with iOS 13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email 
> comes in while focus is at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, 
> focus is jumping to this new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly 
> when I expand a thread containing multiple messages.
>  
> Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with 
> procedures to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new 
> emails each morning to be a major pain and time waster.
>  
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