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ndroid >>> handset makers. In fact, in their home country, they are no longer the >>> largest handset company any longer. This doesn’t take into consideration >>> the fact that Android overall continues to fracture in its use across >>> devices, as the fact that less than 2 percent of all Android users are >>> even running the latest software and over seventy percent of Android >>> users don’t even know what is the latest software or if their device can >>> even run it. In point of fact, handset makers really don’t want their >>> user base to be able to upgrade their devices for lengthy periods of >>> time which is why Android users often find their devices outdated within >>> three months of [purchase it as just happened to my cousin. >>> >>> Add to that the additional reality that sixty percent of Android >>> users have some form of malware on their phones or tablets is somewhat >>> disturbing to me. It’s the risks you take with open source software, >>> like it or not. It’s why I use Android for only curiosity and my geeky >>> interest than utilize it for any important work. >>> >>>Also, from personal experience, to say Android is accessible out of >>> the box is misleading. You have to take into consideration as to what >>> device you are using. Out of the box, this can make a major difference >>> in your Android experience, and in some cases, what other software you >>> have to download. Accessibility works far better on Google devices >>> because there isn’t the other bloatware that other handset manufacturers >>> include. It’s why I went with a Google device and not another maker’s >>> product. Also, web accessibility in Android is very sporadic. You do, in >>> fact, have to be much more of a geek or a tinkerer to really use both >>> Android and accessibility effectively. I have two particular friends who >>> have really taught me a lot about Android over the last year. >>> >>> >>> Take Care >>> >>> John D. Panarese >>> Director >>> Mac for the Blind >>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> >>> <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>> >>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/> >>> >>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer >>> >>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>> >>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 8:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain >>> <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, I don't think analogies to Toyota and Mercedes are relevant. >>>> Also, comparing Apple to Google doesn't tell the whole story, since >>>> Apple is a hardware manufacturer and Google is an OS provider. I'm >>>> also not sure where statements like Apple wins hands down over Samsung >>>> come from. >>>> >>>> Articles like: >>>> * http://bgr.com/2016/05/23/smartphone-market-share-q1-2016/ >>>> <http://bgr.com/2016/05/23/smartphone-market-share-q1-2016/> >>>> * http://www.macrumors.com/2016/04/27/iphone-15-percent-market-share/ >>>> <http://www.macrumors.com/2016/04/27/iphone-15-percent-market-share/> >>>> Talk about how Apple only has 15% of the smart phone market share >>>> worldwide, trailing Samsung. >>>> >>>> If you just look at the US then articles like: >>>> * >>>> https://www.comscore.com/Insights/Rankings/comScore-Reports-January-2016-US-Smartphone-Subscriber-Market-Share >>>> >>>> <https://www.comscore.com/Insights/Rankings/comScore-Reports-January-2016-US-Smartphone-Subscriber-Market-Share> >>>> Shows that Apple has just over 40% of the market, while Samsung has >>>> just under 30%. The original statement was that Apple had no real >>>> competition. I'd say 43% to 28% is real competition. >>>> >>>> On 16/06/16 13:24, Evan Reese wrote: >>>>> True enough, but all those people who can't afford an iPhone are people >>>>> who aren't using Apple's hardware and not in Apple's ecosystem. That's a >>>>> heck of a lot of people. And Apple's hardware revenue is no
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ference >> in your Android experience, and in some cases, what other software you >> have to download. Accessibility works far better on Google devices >> because there isn’t the other bloatware that other handset manufacturers >> include. It’s why I went with a Google device and not another maker’s >> product. Also, web accessibility in Android is very sporadic. You do, in >> fact, have to be much more of a geek or a tinkerer to really use both >> Android and accessibility effectively. I have two particular friends who >> have really taught me a lot about Android over the last year. >> >> >> Take Care >> >> John D. Panarese >> Director >> Mac for the Blind >> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >> >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer >> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >> >> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >> >> >> >>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 8:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain >> <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Well, I don't think analogies to Toyota and Mercedes are relevant. >>> Also, comparing Apple to Google doesn't tell the whole story, since >>> Apple is a hardware manufacturer and Google is an OS provider. I'm >>> also not sure where statements like Apple wins hands down over Samsung >>> come from. >>> >>> Articles like: >>> * http://bgr.com/2016/05/23/smartphone-market-share-q1-2016/ >>> * http://www.macrumors.com/2016/04/27/iphone-15-percent-market-share/ >>> Talk about how Apple only has 15% of the smart phone market share >>> worldwide, trailing Samsung. >>> >>> If you just look at the US then articles like: >>> * >>> https://www.comscore.com/Insights/Rankings/comScore-Reports-January-2016-US-Smartphone-Subscriber-Market-Share >>> Shows that Apple has just over 40% of the market, while Samsung has >>> just under 30%. The original statement was that Apple had no real >>> competition. I'd say 43% to 28% is real competition. >>> >>> On 16/06/16 13:24, Evan Reese wrote: >>>> True enough, but all those people who can't afford an iPhone are people >>>> who aren't using Apple's hardware and not in Apple's ecosystem. That's a >>>> heck of a lot of people. And Apple's hardware revenue is no longer >>>> growing. The market for high end smart phones is saturated in the >>>> developed world. If they want to keep growing, they are going to either >>>> have to make more affordable models, or find some other way to increase >>>> their revenue. >>>> I read recently that Apple is trying very hard, and so far, failing to >>>> increase their currently tiny market share in India; at least in part by >>>> selling refurbished iPhones to make them more affordable. They know they >>>> can't be complacent just because they win hands down against other high >>>> end makers such as Samsung. >>>> Since you mention cars, many of them make various models for various >>>> income levels. Apple does some of that, but I can't believe they don't >>>> want to put their devices in the hands of three quarters of the world's >>>> population who currently can't afford one. If they do want to get those >>>> customers, they will have to make lower end models. Of course, there's >>>> the risk then of losing their high end brand mystique. It's got to be a >>>> tough decision. >>>> Evan >>>> >>>> -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:31 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>> Subject: RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday? >>>> >>>> That's a bit like saying Toyota has much more market share than >>>> Mercedes. Android may have more market share world wide because there >>>> are a lot of low-end Android phones especially in countries like China, >>>> India, Indonesia and other Asian, south American and African countries >>>> where most people can't afford an iPhone or one of the high-end Android >>>> phones like a Samsung Galaxy. The fact is that three quarters of the >>>> world's population is in these countries and part of a socio-economic >
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I think this whole discussion is somewhat pointless because there will always be Apple/iOS fans and there will be Android fans whether the device is from Google, Samsung or somebody else. I am sure Apple, Google, Samsung and many other companies very much pay attention to what everybody is doing, but I really don't think it is correct to say Apple is hurting just because for the first time in 10 years their iPhone sales have been more or less stagnant and iPad sales have gone down compared to the first few years. When Apple first introduced the iPhone it was revolutionary, but no company can keep up revolutionary year after year after year indefinitely. Products grow and mature at which point assuming they can grow at the initial percentages is just not possible. Apple continues to make enormous amounts of money and I'm sure they will continue from time to time to come out with ver innovative and maybe even revolutionary things, but I think we all need to understand tat as a particular technology matures we can't expect that to happen each year. I just read an article that talked about bendable screens and devices and it was pointed out that such devices may only be a year or two away so maybe that is the next big thing, think of a 12 inch tablet which you fold in half and in half again and it becomes a pocket-size phone, how cool is that. Let's see when it happens and who will bring it to market or maybe somebody will come up with something most people haven't even considered yet. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 5:32 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Well, I don't regularly follow market share numbers, but from what I've read lately, all of the top manufacturers, including Samsung and Apple, are losing out to up and coming Chinese hand set makers. Market share numbers are also complex and require some deeper investigation. Sieghard did a good job of pointing this out when talking about how many price points you have with Android that you don't have with Apple. I agree fragmentation in the Android ecosystem is an issue, but I don't see how this applies to this discussion. Whether there's fragmentation or not doesn't change the market share numbers. The fact that 60% of Android handsets has malware on it is a misleading statistic. Also, this is not because Android contains some open source software. My Linux system is much more secure than a Windows PC or even a Mac. It is true that some handsets aren't as accessible as others due to modifications made by the handset maker, but it's easy to avoid this with a little research, all handsets have gotten more accessible over time and Jonathan's article does a good job of discussing this. Bloatware is a misleading term. The Samsung phones have a lot of accessibility improvements in them that haven't made it to Android or Talk Back yet, so it isn't true that Google devices are always the most accessible. In fact, Samsung has added some features to their version of Talk Back to make it easier for iPhone users to make the transition to Android. I have a Nexus 7, and I can't recall a single application that came on the phone that was not accessible. This is also true for other handset makers, such as Samsung. I have switched to a few new default applications, such as a launcher, email program and web browser, but this was due to choice and not because the original applications were not accessible. I didn't have any trouble picking up and using my Nexus 7, and I am just a casual user. I don't think I've had to be a geek to use Android. Remember, this discussion started when someone said Apple had no real competition. I and others pointed out that this isn't true. You may not like Android, and you may not think that the market share numbers for Android, demonstrate real competition to Apple, but I would disagree with this, and I'm pretty sure Apple is paying attention to what's going on with Google, Android, Samsung and other handset manufacturers and consider this real competition. I don't think I did anything to turn this into an Android versus iPhone debate, and I'm sorry if I did. I do think it's important that information be accurate and that blind users know what their options are. I'm not rooting for Apple or Android or anything other than more accessible options for the blind. I cheer for increased accessibility in Android just as much as I do for improvements in Apple. I think it's unfortunate whenever an accessible product disappears from the market, even if it was a product I chose not to use. On 16/06/16 22:07, John Panarese wrote: > Actually, if you have been keeping u
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effectively. I have two particular friends who have really taught me a lot about Android over the last year. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jun 16, 2016, at 8:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>> wrote: Well, I don't think analogies to Toyota and Mercedes are relevant. Also, comparing Apple to Google doesn't tell the whole story, since Apple is a hardware manufacturer and Google is an OS provider. I'm also not sure where statements like Apple wins hands down over Samsung come from. Articles like: * http://bgr.com/2016/05/23/smartphone-market-share-q1-2016/ * http://www.macrumors.com/2016/04/27/iphone-15-percent-market-share/ Talk about how Apple only has 15% of the smart phone market share worldwide, trailing Samsung. If you just look at the US then articles like: * https://www.comscore.com/Insights/Rankings/comScore-Reports-January-2016-US-Smartphone-Subscriber-Market-Share Shows that Apple has just over 40% of the market, while Samsung has just under 30%. The original statement was that Apple had no real competition. I'd say 43% to 28% is real competition. On 16/06/16 13:24, Evan Reese wrote: True enough, but all those people who can't afford an iPhone are people who aren't using Apple's hardware and not in Apple's ecosystem. That's a heck of a lot of people. And Apple's hardware revenue is no longer growing. The market for high end smart phones is saturated in the developed world. If they want to keep growing, they are going to either have to make more affordable models, or find some other way to increase their revenue. I read recently that Apple is trying very hard, and so far, failing to increase their currently tiny market share in India; at least in part by selling refurbished iPhones to make them more affordable. They know they can't be complacent just because they win hands down against other high end makers such as Samsung. Since you mention cars, many of them make various models for various income levels. Apple does some of that, but I can't believe they don't want to put their devices in the hands of three quarters of the world's population who currently can't afford one. If they do want to get those customers, they will have to make lower end models. Of course, there's the risk then of losing their high end brand mystique. It's got to be a tough decision. Evan -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday? That's a bit like saying Toyota has much more market share than Mercedes. Android may have more market share world wide because there are a lot of low-end Android phones especially in countries like China, India, Indonesia and other Asian, south American and African countries where most people can't afford an iPhone or one of the high-end Android phones like a Samsung Galaxy. The fact is that three quarters of the world's population is in these countries and part of a socio-economic group which could never afford a phone which costs more than $50 or $100 at the most. However, if you look at how much money Apple makes from iPhones/iOS compared to how much money Google makes from Android it's a very different story. Google makes its money from advertising and Apple makes it from their hardware and services like Apple Music and the iTunes Store. Apple is a single manufacturer and they have a handful of phone models, Google licenses Android to dozens of manufacturers and there are hundreds of models of Android phones. Compare Apple with Samsung and their high-end phones which are really the competition for the iPhone and Apple wins hands down. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evan Reese Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:58 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Last I heard, which was not very long ago, according to a recent issue of the Economist, Android has over 80 percent of the smart phone market. So I would say that Apple is getting serious competition already. Evan -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:07 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? I would claim that Apple is getting real competition from other smart phone makers. I haven't checked the numbers lately, but Android in ge
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I don't know about Swedish, but I downloaded several languages to my Nexus 7, and I didn't find the process any more complicated than when I downloaded different languages to my iPhone. I'm just talking about the Google synthesizer. On Android, you also have access to several other synthesizers, but I've only ever played with Google's TTS on my Nexus 7. On 17/06/16 03:55, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Ok, this is vering off topic, so i’ll ask this question i have then i’ll shut up: Ar all languages for Talkback downloaded or just English? I mean i’m in Sweden and at least before, talkback only came in english and it was somewhat of a job to download the swedish language. /Krister 17 juni 2016 kl. 02:32 skrev Christopher Chaltain : You don't need to be a geek to get started with and use an Android phone. Talk Back comes installed on an Android phone and you don't need sighted assistance to get it started and set up your phone. The stock apps are accessible. Jonathan Mozen recently published a blog article, which I think he mentioned on this list, on how Android is a viable option for many smart phone users. I'd suggest anyone interested in where Android accessibility is give Jonathan's article a read. Note, I'm not saying Android is better than IOS or more accessible, I'm just pointing out that some of the myths that you need to be a geek to use or appreciate Android just aren't true. On 16/06/16 12:04, Krister Ekstrom wrote: The question however is how much competition is there accessibility wise? Yeah, the geeks could probably get an Android phone started and even to work, but what about ordinary not overly bright consumers like me? /Krister 16 juni 2016 kl. 17:58 skrev Evan Reese : Last I heard, which was not very long ago, according to a recent issue of the Economist, Android has over 80 percent of the smart phone market. So I would say that Apple is getting serious competition already. Evan -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:07 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? I would claim that Apple is getting real competition from other smart phone makers. I haven't checked the numbers lately, but Android in general and Samsung in particular outsell IOS and i Phones. Even if Apple has let over Samsung or is doing better in particular markets, I think Apple would be crazy not to consider this serious competition. Note, I'm not saying Android or Samsung is better than IOS or Apple, but I just don't think it's true that they aren't real competition for the iPhone. On 16/06/16 01:42, Gary Petraccaro wrote: That will change when Apple starts getting real competition from other smartphone makers, or the blind start calling/writing the access people and requesting features such as what you want. If that doesn't do it, then Apple just has certain established attitudes toward their product and feels no reason to change them. One of those, the failure of Siri to open shazam or Google seems to me to be based on Apple's making a competitive product and not wanting it's operating system to give a leg up to a product not Apple's own. - Original Message - *From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:19 PM *Subject:* RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Hi Jonathan, Well, isn’t that nice of Apple. They make such a big deal of how they are opening up the API’s for all of these iOS features to developers but they conveniently forget to mention that really they don’t. As much as I like my iphone and what Apple is doing in many areas, it is very annoying that they are so backwards in other ways. Regards, Sieghard *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Mosen *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 PM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Hi Sieghard, sad to say, Siri won't be opening your Audible book any time soon. For iOS 10.0, the Siri API will only work with six kinds of application: ride booking, messaging , Photo Search, payments, Calling, and Workouts. So, Siri won't be able to open a book in Voice Dream, Bard, or any other third-party book app. It won't be able to play music for you on Spotify or Pandora. It won't be able to play the most recent episode of a podcast using third-party podcast apps. I have no idea why Apple is so tone deaf to how far it is lagging behind in this space, but what they're coming out with is only going to improve the situation slightly. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutori
Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Ok, this is vering off topic, so i’ll ask this question i have then i’ll shut up: Ar all languages for Talkback downloaded or just English? I mean i’m in Sweden and at least before, talkback only came in english and it was somewhat of a job to download the swedish language. /Krister > 17 juni 2016 kl. 02:32 skrev Christopher Chaltain : > > You don't need to be a geek to get started with and use an Android phone. > Talk Back comes installed on an Android phone and you don't need sighted > assistance to get it started and set up your phone. The stock apps are > accessible. Jonathan Mozen recently published a blog article, which I think > he mentioned on this list, on how Android is a viable option for many smart > phone users. I'd suggest anyone interested in where Android accessibility is > give Jonathan's article a read. > > Note, I'm not saying Android is better than IOS or more accessible, I'm just > pointing out that some of the myths that you need to be a geek to use or > appreciate Android just aren't true. > > On 16/06/16 12:04, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> The question however is how much competition is there accessibility wise? >> Yeah, the geeks could probably get an Android phone started and even to >> work, but what about ordinary not overly bright consumers like me? >> /Krister >> >>> 16 juni 2016 kl. 17:58 skrev Evan Reese : >>> >>> Last I heard, which was not very long ago, according to a recent issue of >>> the Economist, Android has over 80 percent of the smart phone market. So I >>> would say that Apple is getting serious competition already. >>> Evan >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain >>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:07 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? >>> >>> I would claim that Apple is getting real competition from other smart >>> phone makers. I haven't checked the numbers lately, but Android in >>> general and Samsung in particular outsell IOS and i Phones. Even if >>> Apple has let over Samsung or is doing better in particular markets, I >>> think Apple would be crazy not to consider this serious competition. >>> >>> Note, I'm not saying Android or Samsung is better than IOS or Apple, but >>> I just don't think it's true that they aren't real competition for the >>> iPhone. >>> >>> On 16/06/16 01:42, Gary Petraccaro wrote: >>>> That will change when Apple starts getting real competition from other >>>> smartphone makers, or the blind start calling/writing the access people >>>> and requesting features such as what you want. If that doesn't do it, >>>> then Apple just has certain established attitudes toward their product >>>> and feels no reason to change them. One of those, the failure of Siri >>>> to open shazam or Google seems to me to be based on Apple's making a >>>> competitive product and not wanting it's operating system to give a leg >>>> up to a product not Apple's own. >>>> >>>>- Original Message - >>>>*From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> >>>>*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>*Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:19 PM >>>>*Subject:* RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday? >>>> >>>>Hi Jonathan, >>>> >>>>Well, isn’t that nice of Apple. They make such a big deal of how >>>>they are opening up the API’s for all of these iOS features to >>>>developers but they conveniently forget to mention that really they >>>>don’t. As much as I like my iphone and what Apple is doing in many >>>>areas, it is very annoying that they are so backwards in other ways. >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>> >>>>Sieghard >>>> >>>>*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] >>>>*On Behalf Of *Jonathan Mosen >>>>*Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 PM >>>>*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>*Subject:* Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? >>>> >>>>Hi Sieghard, sad to say, Siri won't be opening your Audible book any >>>>time soon. For iOS 10.0, the Siri API will only work with six kinds >>>>of application: ride booking, messaging , Photo Search, payments, >&g
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I read about some of this when I did some Googling about Android accessibility, which is why I went with an iPad Mini when I finally decided to get a tablet. I’m very glad I did. Nothing is perfect, but I really like it. Evan From: John Panarese Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Actually, if you have been keeping up with the markets, Samsung has been losing a lot of market share to both Apple, but from other Android handset makers. In fact, in their home country, they are no longer the largest handset company any longer. This doesn’t take into consideration the fact that Android overall continues to fracture in its use across devices, as the fact that less than 2 percent of all Android users are even running the latest software and over seventy percent of Android users don’t even know what is the latest software or if their device can even run it. In point of fact, handset makers really don’t want their user base to be able to upgrade their devices for lengthy periods of time which is why Android users often find their devices outdated within three months of [purchase it as just happened to my cousin. Add to that the additional reality that sixty percent of Android users have some form of malware on their phones or tablets is somewhat disturbing to me. It’s the risks you take with open source software, like it or not. It’s why I use Android for only curiosity and my geeky interest than utilize it for any important work. Also, from personal experience, to say Android is accessible out of the box is misleading. You have to take into consideration as to what device you are using. Out of the box, this can make a major difference in your Android experience, and in some cases, what other software you have to download. Accessibility works far better on Google devices because there isn’t the other bloatware that other handset manufacturers include. It’s why I went with a Google device and not another maker’s product. Also, web accessibility in Android is very sporadic. You do, in fact, have to be much more of a geek or a tinkerer to really use both Android and accessibility effectively. I have two particular friends who have really taught me a lot about Android over the last year. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jun 16, 2016, at 8:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: Well, I don't think analogies to Toyota and Mercedes are relevant. Also, comparing Apple to Google doesn't tell the whole story, since Apple is a hardware manufacturer and Google is an OS provider. I'm also not sure where statements like Apple wins hands down over Samsung come from. Articles like: * http://bgr.com/2016/05/23/smartphone-market-share-q1-2016/ * http://www.macrumors.com/2016/04/27/iphone-15-percent-market-share/ Talk about how Apple only has 15% of the smart phone market share worldwide, trailing Samsung. If you just look at the US then articles like: * https://www.comscore.com/Insights/Rankings/comScore-Reports-January-2016-US-Smartphone-Subscriber-Market-Share Shows that Apple has just over 40% of the market, while Samsung has just under 30%. The original statement was that Apple had no real competition. I'd say 43% to 28% is real competition. On 16/06/16 13:24, Evan Reese wrote: True enough, but all those people who can't afford an iPhone are people who aren't using Apple's hardware and not in Apple's ecosystem. That's a heck of a lot of people. And Apple's hardware revenue is no longer growing. The market for high end smart phones is saturated in the developed world. If they want to keep growing, they are going to either have to make more affordable models, or find some other way to increase their revenue. I read recently that Apple is trying very hard, and so far, failing to increase their currently tiny market share in India; at least in part by selling refurbished iPhones to make them more affordable. They know they can't be complacent just because they win hands down against other high end makers such as Samsung. Since you mention cars, many of them make various models for various income levels. Apple does some of that, but I can't believe they don't want to put their devices in the hands of three quarters of the world's population who currently can't afford one. If they do want to get those customers, they will have to make lower end models. Of course, there's the risk then of losing their high end brand mystique. It's got to be a tough decision. Evan -O
Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Actually, if you have been keeping up with the markets, Samsung has been losing a lot of market share to both Apple, but from other Android handset makers. In fact, in their home country, they are no longer the largest handset company any longer. This doesn’t take into consideration the fact that Android overall continues to fracture in its use across devices, as the fact that less than 2 percent of all Android users are even running the latest software and over seventy percent of Android users don’t even know what is the latest software or if their device can even run it. In point of fact, handset makers really don’t want their user base to be able to upgrade their devices for lengthy periods of time which is why Android users often find their devices outdated within three months of [purchase it as just happened to my cousin. Add to that the additional reality that sixty percent of Android users have some form of malware on their phones or tablets is somewhat disturbing to me. It’s the risks you take with open source software, like it or not. It’s why I use Android for only curiosity and my geeky interest than utilize it for any important work. Also, from personal experience, to say Android is accessible out of the box is misleading. You have to take into consideration as to what device you are using. Out of the box, this can make a major difference in your Android experience, and in some cases, what other software you have to download. Accessibility works far better on Google devices because there isn’t the other bloatware that other handset manufacturers include. It’s why I went with a Google device and not another maker’s product. Also, web accessibility in Android is very sporadic. You do, in fact, have to be much more of a geek or a tinkerer to really use both Android and accessibility effectively. I have two particular friends who have really taught me a lot about Android over the last year. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > On Jun 16, 2016, at 8:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > > Well, I don't think analogies to Toyota and Mercedes are relevant. Also, > comparing Apple to Google doesn't tell the whole story, since Apple is a > hardware manufacturer and Google is an OS provider. I'm also not sure where > statements like Apple wins hands down over Samsung come from. > > Articles like: > * http://bgr.com/2016/05/23/smartphone-market-share-q1-2016/ > * http://www.macrumors.com/2016/04/27/iphone-15-percent-market-share/ > Talk about how Apple only has 15% of the smart phone market share worldwide, > trailing Samsung. > > If you just look at the US then articles like: > * > https://www.comscore.com/Insights/Rankings/comScore-Reports-January-2016-US-Smartphone-Subscriber-Market-Share > Shows that Apple has just over 40% of the market, while Samsung has just > under 30%. The original statement was that Apple had no real competition. I'd > say 43% to 28% is real competition. > > On 16/06/16 13:24, Evan Reese wrote: >> True enough, but all those people who can't afford an iPhone are people >> who aren't using Apple's hardware and not in Apple's ecosystem. That's a >> heck of a lot of people. And Apple's hardware revenue is no longer >> growing. The market for high end smart phones is saturated in the >> developed world. If they want to keep growing, they are going to either >> have to make more affordable models, or find some other way to increase >> their revenue. >> I read recently that Apple is trying very hard, and so far, failing to >> increase their currently tiny market share in India; at least in part by >> selling refurbished iPhones to make them more affordable. They know they >> can't be complacent just because they win hands down against other high >> end makers such as Samsung. >> Since you mention cars, many of them make various models for various >> income levels. Apple does some of that, but I can't believe they don't >> want to put their devices in the hands of three quarters of the world's >> population who currently can't afford one. If they do want to get those >> customers, they will have to make lower end models. Of course, there's >> the risk then of losing their high end brand mystique. It's got to be a >> tough decision. >> Evan >> >> -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel >> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:31 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: WWDC event, wa
Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Well, I don't think analogies to Toyota and Mercedes are relevant. Also, comparing Apple to Google doesn't tell the whole story, since Apple is a hardware manufacturer and Google is an OS provider. I'm also not sure where statements like Apple wins hands down over Samsung come from. Articles like: * http://bgr.com/2016/05/23/smartphone-market-share-q1-2016/ * http://www.macrumors.com/2016/04/27/iphone-15-percent-market-share/ Talk about how Apple only has 15% of the smart phone market share worldwide, trailing Samsung. If you just look at the US then articles like: * https://www.comscore.com/Insights/Rankings/comScore-Reports-January-2016-US-Smartphone-Subscriber-Market-Share Shows that Apple has just over 40% of the market, while Samsung has just under 30%. The original statement was that Apple had no real competition. I'd say 43% to 28% is real competition. On 16/06/16 13:24, Evan Reese wrote: True enough, but all those people who can't afford an iPhone are people who aren't using Apple's hardware and not in Apple's ecosystem. That's a heck of a lot of people. And Apple's hardware revenue is no longer growing. The market for high end smart phones is saturated in the developed world. If they want to keep growing, they are going to either have to make more affordable models, or find some other way to increase their revenue. I read recently that Apple is trying very hard, and so far, failing to increase their currently tiny market share in India; at least in part by selling refurbished iPhones to make them more affordable. They know they can't be complacent just because they win hands down against other high end makers such as Samsung. Since you mention cars, many of them make various models for various income levels. Apple does some of that, but I can't believe they don't want to put their devices in the hands of three quarters of the world's population who currently can't afford one. If they do want to get those customers, they will have to make lower end models. Of course, there's the risk then of losing their high end brand mystique. It's got to be a tough decision. Evan -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday? That's a bit like saying Toyota has much more market share than Mercedes. Android may have more market share world wide because there are a lot of low-end Android phones especially in countries like China, India, Indonesia and other Asian, south American and African countries where most people can't afford an iPhone or one of the high-end Android phones like a Samsung Galaxy. The fact is that three quarters of the world's population is in these countries and part of a socio-economic group which could never afford a phone which costs more than $50 or $100 at the most. However, if you look at how much money Apple makes from iPhones/iOS compared to how much money Google makes from Android it's a very different story. Google makes its money from advertising and Apple makes it from their hardware and services like Apple Music and the iTunes Store. Apple is a single manufacturer and they have a handful of phone models, Google licenses Android to dozens of manufacturers and there are hundreds of models of Android phones. Compare Apple with Samsung and their high-end phones which are really the competition for the iPhone and Apple wins hands down. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evan Reese Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:58 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Last I heard, which was not very long ago, according to a recent issue of the Economist, Android has over 80 percent of the smart phone market. So I would say that Apple is getting serious competition already. Evan -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:07 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? I would claim that Apple is getting real competition from other smart phone makers. I haven't checked the numbers lately, but Android in general and Samsung in particular outsell IOS and i Phones. Even if Apple has let over Samsung or is doing better in particular markets, I think Apple would be crazy not to consider this serious competition. Note, I'm not saying Android or Samsung is better than IOS or Apple, but I just don't think it's true that they aren't real competition for the iPhone. On 16/06/16 01:42, Gary Petraccaro wrote: That will change when Apple starts getting real competition from other smartphone makers, or the blind start calling/writing the access people and requesting features such as what you want. If that doesn't do it, then Apple just has certain est
Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
You don't need to be a geek to get started with and use an Android phone. Talk Back comes installed on an Android phone and you don't need sighted assistance to get it started and set up your phone. The stock apps are accessible. Jonathan Mozen recently published a blog article, which I think he mentioned on this list, on how Android is a viable option for many smart phone users. I'd suggest anyone interested in where Android accessibility is give Jonathan's article a read. Note, I'm not saying Android is better than IOS or more accessible, I'm just pointing out that some of the myths that you need to be a geek to use or appreciate Android just aren't true. On 16/06/16 12:04, Krister Ekstrom wrote: The question however is how much competition is there accessibility wise? Yeah, the geeks could probably get an Android phone started and even to work, but what about ordinary not overly bright consumers like me? /Krister 16 juni 2016 kl. 17:58 skrev Evan Reese : Last I heard, which was not very long ago, according to a recent issue of the Economist, Android has over 80 percent of the smart phone market. So I would say that Apple is getting serious competition already. Evan -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:07 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? I would claim that Apple is getting real competition from other smart phone makers. I haven't checked the numbers lately, but Android in general and Samsung in particular outsell IOS and i Phones. Even if Apple has let over Samsung or is doing better in particular markets, I think Apple would be crazy not to consider this serious competition. Note, I'm not saying Android or Samsung is better than IOS or Apple, but I just don't think it's true that they aren't real competition for the iPhone. On 16/06/16 01:42, Gary Petraccaro wrote: That will change when Apple starts getting real competition from other smartphone makers, or the blind start calling/writing the access people and requesting features such as what you want. If that doesn't do it, then Apple just has certain established attitudes toward their product and feels no reason to change them. One of those, the failure of Siri to open shazam or Google seems to me to be based on Apple's making a competitive product and not wanting it's operating system to give a leg up to a product not Apple's own. - Original Message - *From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:19 PM *Subject:* RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Hi Jonathan, Well, isn’t that nice of Apple. They make such a big deal of how they are opening up the API’s for all of these iOS features to developers but they conveniently forget to mention that really they don’t. As much as I like my iphone and what Apple is doing in many areas, it is very annoying that they are so backwards in other ways. Regards, Sieghard *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Mosen *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 PM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Hi Sieghard, sad to say, Siri won't be opening your Audible book any time soon. For iOS 10.0, the Siri API will only work with six kinds of application: ride booking, messaging , Photo Search, payments, Calling, and Workouts. So, Siri won't be able to open a book in Voice Dream, Bard, or any other third-party book app. It won't be able to play music for you on Spotify or Pandora. It won't be able to play the most recent episode of a podcast using third-party podcast apps. I have no idea why Apple is so tone deaf to how far it is lagging behind in this space, but what they're coming out with is only going to improve the situation slightly. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org> On 15/06/2016, at 6:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: Hi Devin, Yes, some of it sounds very nice, but as others have pointed out, there isn't much that is really groundbreaking. Collaboration in documents is something Microsoft has been offering for years and it is high time Apple opened up their API's to developers especially the one for SIRI. They pointed out that SIRI has been around for 5 years now and if you really think about it SIRI now is not a lot better than it was 5 years ago. Yes, it's a bit faster with dictation and can pull information from a few more sourc
Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Make that us, please. That's exactly what I'm trying to find out, btw, by subscribing to a couple of the Android lists. - Original Message - From: "Krister Ekstrom" To: Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:04 PM Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? The question however is how much competition is there accessibility wise? Yeah, the geeks could probably get an Android phone started and even to work, but what about ordinary not overly bright consumers like me? /Krister 16 juni 2016 kl. 17:58 skrev Evan Reese : Last I heard, which was not very long ago, according to a recent issue of the Economist, Android has over 80 percent of the smart phone market. So I would say that Apple is getting serious competition already. Evan -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:07 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? I would claim that Apple is getting real competition from other smart phone makers. I haven't checked the numbers lately, but Android in general and Samsung in particular outsell IOS and i Phones. Even if Apple has let over Samsung or is doing better in particular markets, I think Apple would be crazy not to consider this serious competition. Note, I'm not saying Android or Samsung is better than IOS or Apple, but I just don't think it's true that they aren't real competition for the iPhone. On 16/06/16 01:42, Gary Petraccaro wrote: That will change when Apple starts getting real competition from other smartphone makers, or the blind start calling/writing the access people and requesting features such as what you want. If that doesn't do it, then Apple just has certain established attitudes toward their product and feels no reason to change them. One of those, the failure of Siri to open shazam or Google seems to me to be based on Apple's making a competitive product and not wanting it's operating system to give a leg up to a product not Apple's own. - Original Message - *From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:19 PM *Subject:* RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Hi Jonathan, Well, isn’t that nice of Apple. They make such a big deal of how they are opening up the API’s for all of these iOS features to developers but they conveniently forget to mention that really they don’t. As much as I like my iphone and what Apple is doing in many areas, it is very annoying that they are so backwards in other ways. Regards, Sieghard *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Mosen *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 PM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Hi Sieghard, sad to say, Siri won't be opening your Audible book any time soon. For iOS 10.0, the Siri API will only work with six kinds of application: ride booking, messaging , Photo Search, payments, Calling, and Workouts. So, Siri won't be able to open a book in Voice Dream, Bard, or any other third-party book app. It won't be able to play music for you on Spotify or Pandora. It won't be able to play the most recent episode of a podcast using third-party podcast apps. I have no idea why Apple is so tone deaf to how far it is lagging behind in this space, but what they're coming out with is only going to improve the situation slightly. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org> On 15/06/2016, at 6:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: Hi Devin, Yes, some of it sounds very nice, but as others have pointed out, there isn't much that is really groundbreaking. Collaboration in documents is something Microsoft has been offering for years and it is high time Apple opened up their API's to developers especially the one for SIRI. They pointed out that SIRI has been around for 5 years now and if you really think about it SIRI now is not a lot better than it was 5 years ago. Yes, it's a bit faster with dictation and can pull information from a few more sources, but why is it still not possible to say "Call Kevin from Bigrock Sports" just to give an example of one of my contacts where I have at least 3 or 4 Kevins in my contacts who all work for different companies. I can't even create a contact where I just enter a company name in the company name field and a single phone number and say, for example, "Call Bigrock Sports". I have to also put the company name in the last name field
Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Using "open Google" Siri worked. I used to be able to say "run such-and-such"
and that's what stopped working. I didn't try "open" because I thought it
would cause the web page to open.
Btw, "open Shazam" works for that as well.
- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 2:12 PM
Subject: RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Are you saying asking SIRI to “Open google” doesn’t work? I just tried it
and it works fine for me.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Gary Petraccaro
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
That will change when Apple starts getting real competition from other
smartphone makers, or the blind start calling/writing the access people and
requesting features such as what you want. If that doesn't do it, then Apple
just has certain established attitudes toward their product and feels no reason
to change them. One of those, the failure of Siri to open shazam or Google
seems to me to be based on Apple's making a competitive product and not wanting
it's operating system to give a leg up to a product not Apple's own.
- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:19 PM
Subject: RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Hi Jonathan,
Well, isn’t that nice of Apple. They make such a big deal of how they are
opening up the API’s for all of these iOS features to developers but they
conveniently forget to mention that really they don’t. As much as I like my
iphone and what Apple is doing in many areas, it is very annoying that they are
so backwards in other ways.
Regards,
Sieghard
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Hi Sieghard, sad to say, Siri won't be opening your Audible book any time
soon. For iOS 10.0, the Siri API will only work with six kinds of application:
ride booking, messaging , Photo Search, payments, Calling, and Workouts.
So, Siri won't be able to open a book in Voice Dream, Bard, or any other
third-party book app. It won't be able to play music for you on Spotify or
Pandora. It won't be able to play the most recent episode of a podcast using
third-party podcast apps. I have no idea why Apple is so tone deaf to how far
it is lagging behind in this space, but what they're coming out with is only
going to improve the situation slightly.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org
On 15/06/2016, at 6:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Devin,
Yes, some of it sounds very nice, but as others have pointed out, there
isn't much that is really groundbreaking. Collaboration in documents is
something Microsoft has been offering for years and it is high time Apple
opened up their API's to developers especially the one for SIRI. They pointed
out that SIRI has been around for 5 years now and if you really think about it
SIRI now is not a lot better than it was 5 years ago. Yes, it's a bit faster
with dictation and can pull information from a few more sources, but why is it
still not possible to say "Call Kevin from Bigrock Sports" just to give an
example of one of my contacts where I have at least 3 or 4 Kevins in my
contacts who all work for different companies. I can't even create a contact
where I just enter a company name in the company name field and a single phone
number and say, for example, "Call Bigrock Sports". I have to also put the
company name in the last name field to do this. I should be able to say "Show
me all my contacts who work at Bigrock Sports" or I should be able to tell SIRI
to "Turn Voiceover Hints On or Off", but all of these things SIRI can't do.
Another example: I can tell SIRI to "Remind me about my dentist appointment on
Friday at 3 PM", but if I say "Remind me about my 3 PM dentist appointment on
Friday at 2 PM" it will say it will remind me and when I check what SIRI
created I see it created the reminder for 3 PM whereas I want to be reminded at
2 PM that my appointment is at 3 PM. There is a complicated way to say it so it
does what I want, but I should be able to say it anyway I like or even in two
parts like "Remind me about my dentist appointment at 3 PM on Friday" and when
SIRI says it will I should be able to bring it up again and say "Start
remindin
Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
True enough, but all those people who can't afford an iPhone are people who
aren't using Apple's hardware and not in Apple's ecosystem. That's a heck of
a lot of people. And Apple's hardware revenue is no longer growing. The
market for high end smart phones is saturated in the developed world. If
they want to keep growing, they are going to either have to make more
affordable models, or find some other way to increase their revenue.
I read recently that Apple is trying very hard, and so far, failing to
increase their currently tiny market share in India; at least in part by
selling refurbished iPhones to make them more affordable. They know they
can't be complacent just because they win hands down against other high end
makers such as Samsung.
Since you mention cars, many of them make various models for various income
levels. Apple does some of that, but I can't believe they don't want to put
their devices in the hands of three quarters of the world's population who
currently can't afford one. If they do want to get those customers, they
will have to make lower end models. Of course, there's the risk then of
losing their high end brand mystique. It's got to be a tough decision.
Evan
-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
That's a bit like saying Toyota has much more market share than Mercedes.
Android may have more market share world wide because there are a lot of
low-end Android phones especially in countries like China, India, Indonesia
and other Asian, south American and African countries where most people
can't afford an iPhone or one of the high-end Android phones like a Samsung
Galaxy. The fact is that three quarters of the world's population is in
these countries and part of a socio-economic group which could never afford
a phone which costs more than $50 or $100 at the most.
However, if you look at how much money Apple makes from iPhones/iOS compared
to how much money Google makes from Android it's a very different story.
Google makes its money from advertising and Apple makes it from their
hardware and services like Apple Music and the iTunes Store. Apple is a
single manufacturer and they have a handful of phone models, Google licenses
Android to dozens of manufacturers and there are hundreds of models of
Android phones. Compare Apple with Samsung and their high-end phones which
are really the competition for the iPhone and Apple wins hands down.
Regards,
Sieghard
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Evan Reese
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Last I heard, which was not very long ago, according to a recent issue of
the Economist, Android has over 80 percent of the smart phone market. So I
would say that Apple is getting serious competition already.
Evan
-Original Message-
From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
I would claim that Apple is getting real competition from other smart phone
makers. I haven't checked the numbers lately, but Android in general and
Samsung in particular outsell IOS and i Phones. Even if Apple has let over
Samsung or is doing better in particular markets, I think Apple would be
crazy not to consider this serious competition.
Note, I'm not saying Android or Samsung is better than IOS or Apple, but I
just don't think it's true that they aren't real competition for the iPhone.
On 16/06/16 01:42, Gary Petraccaro wrote:
That will change when Apple starts getting real competition from other
smartphone makers, or the blind start calling/writing the access
people and requesting features such as what you want. If that doesn't
do it, then Apple just has certain established attitudes toward their
product and feels no reason to change them. One of those, the failure
of Siri to open shazam or Google seems to me to be based on Apple's
making a competitive product and not wanting it's operating system to
give a leg up to a product not Apple's own.
- Original Message -
*From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:19 PM
*Subject:* RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Hi Jonathan,
Well, isn’t that nice of Apple. They make such a big deal of how
they are opening up the API’s for all of these iOS features to
developers but they conveniently forget to mention that really they
don’t. As much as I like my iphone and what Apple is doing in many
areas, it is very annoying that t
RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Are you saying asking SIRI to “Open google” doesn’t work? I just tried it and it works fine for me. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Petraccaro Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? That will change when Apple starts getting real competition from other smartphone makers, or the blind start calling/writing the access people and requesting features such as what you want. If that doesn't do it, then Apple just has certain established attitudes toward their product and feels no reason to change them. One of those, the failure of Siri to open shazam or Google seems to me to be based on Apple's making a competitive product and not wanting it's operating system to give a leg up to a product not Apple's own. - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:siegh...@live.ca> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:19 PM Subject: RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Hi Jonathan, Well, isn’t that nice of Apple. They make such a big deal of how they are opening up the API’s for all of these iOS features to developers but they conveniently forget to mention that really they don’t. As much as I like my iphone and what Apple is doing in many areas, it is very annoying that they are so backwards in other ways. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Hi Sieghard, sad to say, Siri won't be opening your Audible book any time soon. For iOS 10.0, the Siri API will only work with six kinds of application: ride booking, messaging , Photo Search, payments, Calling, and Workouts. So, Siri won't be able to open a book in Voice Dream, Bard, or any other third-party book app. It won't be able to play music for you on Spotify or Pandora. It won't be able to play the most recent episode of a podcast using third-party podcast apps. I have no idea why Apple is so tone deaf to how far it is lagging behind in this space, but what they're coming out with is only going to improve the situation slightly. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org<http://mosen.org> On 15/06/2016, at 6:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: Hi Devin, Yes, some of it sounds very nice, but as others have pointed out, there isn't much that is really groundbreaking. Collaboration in documents is something Microsoft has been offering for years and it is high time Apple opened up their API's to developers especially the one for SIRI. They pointed out that SIRI has been around for 5 years now and if you really think about it SIRI now is not a lot better than it was 5 years ago. Yes, it's a bit faster with dictation and can pull information from a few more sources, but why is it still not possible to say "Call Kevin from Bigrock Sports" just to give an example of one of my contacts where I have at least 3 or 4 Kevins in my contacts who all work for different companies. I can't even create a contact where I just enter a company name in the company name field and a single phone number and say, for example, "Call Bigrock Sports". I have to also put the company name in the last name field to do this. I should be able to say "Show me all my contacts who work at Bigrock Sports" or I should be able to tell SIRI to "Turn Voiceover Hints On or Off", but all of these things SIRI can't do. Another example: I can tell SIRI to "Remind me about my dentist appointment on Friday at 3 PM", but if I say "Remind me about my 3 PM dentist appointment on Friday at 2 PM" it will say it will remind me and when I check what SIRI created I see it created the reminder for 3 PM whereas I want to be reminded at 2 PM that my appointment is at 3 PM. There is a complicated way to say it so it does what I want, but I should be able to say it anyway I like or even in two parts like "Remind me about my dentist appointment at 3 PM on Friday" and when SIRI says it will I should be able to bring it up again and say "Start reminding me once an hour starting at 11 AM and it should understand that I want a reminder at 11 AM, Noon, 1 PM and 2 PM and maybe by its own intelligence SIRI should remind me again 15 minutes before if it detects my iPhone is not moving. This is true artificial intelligence, it already exists, the iPhone has the processing power to do it and so do Apple's servers. I can't say how much I look forward to being finally able to say "
Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Well, accessibility wise is an extremely small part of the market. So I would say that Apple is not worried about competition on that score. Even if Android took all of the market for those who need accessibility, it would be hardly noticeable to Apple's total revenue. We're extremely lucky that Apple does as much as it does for accessibility. I don't know the details of what the law says as to what they are required to do, but I doubt that they are required to do as much as Apple has done. I just hope they keep that apparent commitment to such a small part of their business. Evan -Original Message- From: Krister Ekstrom Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:04 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? The question however is how much competition is there accessibility wise? Yeah, the geeks could probably get an Android phone started and even to work, but what about ordinary not overly bright consumers like me? /Krister 16 juni 2016 kl. 17:58 skrev Evan Reese : Last I heard, which was not very long ago, according to a recent issue of the Economist, Android has over 80 percent of the smart phone market. So I would say that Apple is getting serious competition already. Evan -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:07 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? I would claim that Apple is getting real competition from other smart phone makers. I haven't checked the numbers lately, but Android in general and Samsung in particular outsell IOS and i Phones. Even if Apple has let over Samsung or is doing better in particular markets, I think Apple would be crazy not to consider this serious competition. Note, I'm not saying Android or Samsung is better than IOS or Apple, but I just don't think it's true that they aren't real competition for the iPhone. On 16/06/16 01:42, Gary Petraccaro wrote: That will change when Apple starts getting real competition from other smartphone makers, or the blind start calling/writing the access people and requesting features such as what you want. If that doesn't do it, then Apple just has certain established attitudes toward their product and feels no reason to change them. One of those, the failure of Siri to open shazam or Google seems to me to be based on Apple's making a competitive product and not wanting it's operating system to give a leg up to a product not Apple's own. - Original Message - *From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:19 PM *Subject:* RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Hi Jonathan, Well, isn’t that nice of Apple. They make such a big deal of how they are opening up the API’s for all of these iOS features to developers but they conveniently forget to mention that really they don’t. As much as I like my iphone and what Apple is doing in many areas, it is very annoying that they are so backwards in other ways. Regards, Sieghard *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Mosen *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 PM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Hi Sieghard, sad to say, Siri won't be opening your Audible book any time soon. For iOS 10.0, the Siri API will only work with six kinds of application: ride booking, messaging , Photo Search, payments, Calling, and Workouts. So, Siri won't be able to open a book in Voice Dream, Bard, or any other third-party book app. It won't be able to play music for you on Spotify or Pandora. It won't be able to play the most recent episode of a podcast using third-party podcast apps. I have no idea why Apple is so tone deaf to how far it is lagging behind in this space, but what they're coming out with is only going to improve the situation slightly. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org> On 15/06/2016, at 6:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: Hi Devin, Yes, some of it sounds very nice, but as others have pointed out, there isn't much that is really groundbreaking. Collaboration in documents is something Microsoft has been offering for years and it is high time Apple opened up their API's to developers especially the one for SIRI. They pointed out that SIRI has been around for 5 years now and if you really think about it SIRI now is not a lot better than it was 5 years ago. Yes, it's a bit faster with dictation and can pull information from a few more sources, but why is it still n
Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Hi, I look at it this way. What portion of it is stock android? Sent from a Braille Sense - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: "viphone@googlegroups.com" Date: Thursday, 16 June 2016 6:31 pm Subject: RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday? > > > That's a bit like saying Toyota has much more market share than Mercedes. > Android may have more market share world wide because there are a lot of > low-end Android phones especially in countries like China, India, Indonesia > and other Asian, south American and African countries where most people can't > afford an iPhone or one of the high-end Android phones like a Samsung Galaxy. > The fact is that three quarters of the world's population is in these > countries and part of a socio-economic group which could never afford a phone > which costs more than $50 or $100 at the most. > However, if you look at how much money Apple makes from iPhones/iOS compared > to how much money Google makes from Android it's a very different story. > Google makes its money from advertising and Apple makes it from their > hardware and services like Apple Music and the iTunes Store. Apple is a > single manufacturer and they have a handful of phone models, Google licenses > Android to dozens of manufacturers and there are hundreds of models of > Android phones. Compare Apple with Samsung and their high-end phones which > are really the competition for the iPhone and Apple wins hands down. > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Evan Reese > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:58 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? > > Last I heard, which was not very long ago, according to a recent issue of the > Economist, Android has over 80 percent of the smart phone market. So I would > say that Apple is getting serious competition already. > Evan > > -Original Message----- > From: Christopher Chaltain > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:07 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? > > I would claim that Apple is getting real competition from other smart phone > makers. I haven't checked the numbers lately, but Android in general and > Samsung in particular outsell IOS and i Phones. Even if Apple has let over > Samsung or is doing better in particular markets, I think Apple would be > crazy not to consider this serious competition. > > Note, I'm not saying Android or Samsung is better than IOS or Apple, but I > just don't think it's true that they aren't real competition for the iPhone.. > > On 16/06/16 01:42, Gary Petraccaro wrote: > > That will change when Apple starts getting real competition from other > > smartphone makers, or the blind start calling/writing the access > > people and requesting features such as what you want. If that doesn't > > do it, then Apple just has certain established attitudes toward their > > product and feels no reason to change them. One of those, the failure > > of Siri to open shazam or Google seems to me to be based on Apple's > > making a competitive product and not wanting it's operating system to > > give a leg up to a product not Apple's own. > > > > - Original Message - > > *From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > > *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:19 PM > > *Subject:* RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday? > > > > Hi Jonathan, > > > > Well, isn't that nice of Apple. They make such a big deal of how > > they are opening up the API's for all of these iOS features to > > developers but they conveniently forget to mention that really they > > don't. As much as I like my iphone and what Apple is doing in many > > areas, it is very annoying that they are so backwards in other ways. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sieghard > > > > *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] > > *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Mosen > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 PM > > *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com > > *Subject:* Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? > > > > Hi Sieghard, sad to say, Siri won't be opening your Audible book any > > time soon. For iOS 10.0, the Siri API will only work with six kinds > > of application: ride booking, messaging , Photo Search, payments, > > Calling, and W
RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
That's a bit like saying Toyota has much more market share than Mercedes. Android may have more market share world wide because there are a lot of low-end Android phones especially in countries like China, India, Indonesia and other Asian, south American and African countries where most people can't afford an iPhone or one of the high-end Android phones like a Samsung Galaxy. The fact is that three quarters of the world's population is in these countries and part of a socio-economic group which could never afford a phone which costs more than $50 or $100 at the most. However, if you look at how much money Apple makes from iPhones/iOS compared to how much money Google makes from Android it's a very different story. Google makes its money from advertising and Apple makes it from their hardware and services like Apple Music and the iTunes Store. Apple is a single manufacturer and they have a handful of phone models, Google licenses Android to dozens of manufacturers and there are hundreds of models of Android phones. Compare Apple with Samsung and their high-end phones which are really the competition for the iPhone and Apple wins hands down. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evan Reese Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:58 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Last I heard, which was not very long ago, according to a recent issue of the Economist, Android has over 80 percent of the smart phone market. So I would say that Apple is getting serious competition already. Evan -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:07 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? I would claim that Apple is getting real competition from other smart phone makers. I haven't checked the numbers lately, but Android in general and Samsung in particular outsell IOS and i Phones. Even if Apple has let over Samsung or is doing better in particular markets, I think Apple would be crazy not to consider this serious competition. Note, I'm not saying Android or Samsung is better than IOS or Apple, but I just don't think it's true that they aren't real competition for the iPhone. On 16/06/16 01:42, Gary Petraccaro wrote: > That will change when Apple starts getting real competition from other > smartphone makers, or the blind start calling/writing the access > people and requesting features such as what you want. If that doesn't > do it, then Apple just has certain established attitudes toward their > product and feels no reason to change them. One of those, the failure > of Siri to open shazam or Google seems to me to be based on Apple's > making a competitive product and not wanting it's operating system to > give a leg up to a product not Apple's own. > > - Original Message - > *From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:19 PM > *Subject:* RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday? > > Hi Jonathan, > > Well, isn’t that nice of Apple. They make such a big deal of how > they are opening up the API’s for all of these iOS features to > developers but they conveniently forget to mention that really they > don’t. As much as I like my iphone and what Apple is doing in many > areas, it is very annoying that they are so backwards in other ways. > > Regards, > > Sieghard > > *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] > *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Mosen > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 PM > *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? > > Hi Sieghard, sad to say, Siri won't be opening your Audible book any > time soon. For iOS 10.0, the Siri API will only work with six kinds > of application: ride booking, messaging , Photo Search, payments, > Calling, and Workouts. > > So, Siri won't be able to open a book in Voice Dream, Bard, or any > other third-party book app. It won't be able to play music for you > on Spotify or Pandora. It won't be able to play the most recent > episode of a podcast using third-party podcast apps. I have no idea > why Apple is so tone deaf to how far it is lagging behind in this > space, but what they're coming out with is only going to improve the > situation slightly. > > Jonathan Mosen > > Mosen Consulting > > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > > http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org> > > On 15/06/20
Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
The question however is how much competition is there accessibility wise? Yeah, the geeks could probably get an Android phone started and even to work, but what about ordinary not overly bright consumers like me? /Krister > 16 juni 2016 kl. 17:58 skrev Evan Reese : > > Last I heard, which was not very long ago, according to a recent issue of the > Economist, Android has over 80 percent of the smart phone market. So I would > say that Apple is getting serious competition already. > Evan > > -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:07 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? > > I would claim that Apple is getting real competition from other smart > phone makers. I haven't checked the numbers lately, but Android in > general and Samsung in particular outsell IOS and i Phones. Even if > Apple has let over Samsung or is doing better in particular markets, I > think Apple would be crazy not to consider this serious competition. > > Note, I'm not saying Android or Samsung is better than IOS or Apple, but > I just don't think it's true that they aren't real competition for the > iPhone. > > On 16/06/16 01:42, Gary Petraccaro wrote: >> That will change when Apple starts getting real competition from other >> smartphone makers, or the blind start calling/writing the access people >> and requesting features such as what you want. If that doesn't do it, >> then Apple just has certain established attitudes toward their product >> and feels no reason to change them. One of those, the failure of Siri >> to open shazam or Google seems to me to be based on Apple's making a >> competitive product and not wanting it's operating system to give a leg >> up to a product not Apple's own. >> >>- Original Message - >>*From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> >>*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>*Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:19 PM >>*Subject:* RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday? >> >>Hi Jonathan, >> >>Well, isn’t that nice of Apple. They make such a big deal of how >>they are opening up the API’s for all of these iOS features to >>developers but they conveniently forget to mention that really they >>don’t. As much as I like my iphone and what Apple is doing in many >>areas, it is very annoying that they are so backwards in other ways. >> >>Regards, >> >>Sieghard >> >>*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] >>*On Behalf Of *Jonathan Mosen >>*Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 PM >>*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com >>*Subject:* Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? >> >>Hi Sieghard, sad to say, Siri won't be opening your Audible book any >>time soon. For iOS 10.0, the Siri API will only work with six kinds >>of application: ride booking, messaging , Photo Search, payments, >>Calling, and Workouts. >> >>So, Siri won't be able to open a book in Voice Dream, Bard, or any >>other third-party book app. It won't be able to play music for you >>on Spotify or Pandora. It won't be able to play the most recent >>episode of a podcast using third-party podcast apps. I have no idea >>why Apple is so tone deaf to how far it is lagging behind in this >>space, but what they're coming out with is only going to improve the >>situation slightly. >> >>Jonathan Mosen >> >>Mosen Consulting >> >>Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >> >>http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org> >> >>On 15/06/2016, at 6:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel ><mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: >> >>Hi Devin, >> >>Yes, some of it sounds very nice, but as others have pointed >>out, there isn't much that is really groundbreaking. >>Collaboration in documents is something Microsoft has been >>offering for years and it is high time Apple opened up their >>API's to developers especially the one for SIRI. They pointed >>out that SIRI has been around for 5 years now and if you really >>think about it SIRI now is not a lot better than it was 5 years >>ago. Yes, it's a bit faster with dictation and can pull >>information from a few more sources, but why is it still not >>possible to say "
Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Last I heard, which was not very long ago, according to a recent issue of
the Economist, Android has over 80 percent of the smart phone market. So I
would say that Apple is getting serious competition already.
Evan
-Original Message-
From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
I would claim that Apple is getting real competition from other smart
phone makers. I haven't checked the numbers lately, but Android in
general and Samsung in particular outsell IOS and i Phones. Even if
Apple has let over Samsung or is doing better in particular markets, I
think Apple would be crazy not to consider this serious competition.
Note, I'm not saying Android or Samsung is better than IOS or Apple, but
I just don't think it's true that they aren't real competition for the
iPhone.
On 16/06/16 01:42, Gary Petraccaro wrote:
That will change when Apple starts getting real competition from other
smartphone makers, or the blind start calling/writing the access people
and requesting features such as what you want. If that doesn't do it,
then Apple just has certain established attitudes toward their product
and feels no reason to change them. One of those, the failure of Siri
to open shazam or Google seems to me to be based on Apple's making a
competitive product and not wanting it's operating system to give a leg
up to a product not Apple's own.
- Original Message -
*From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:19 PM
*Subject:* RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Hi Jonathan,
Well, isn’t that nice of Apple. They make such a big deal of how
they are opening up the API’s for all of these iOS features to
developers but they conveniently forget to mention that really they
don’t. As much as I like my iphone and what Apple is doing in many
areas, it is very annoying that they are so backwards in other ways.
Regards,
Sieghard
*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
*On Behalf Of *Jonathan Mosen
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Hi Sieghard, sad to say, Siri won't be opening your Audible book any
time soon. For iOS 10.0, the Siri API will only work with six kinds
of application: ride booking, messaging , Photo Search, payments,
Calling, and Workouts.
So, Siri won't be able to open a book in Voice Dream, Bard, or any
other third-party book app. It won't be able to play music for you
on Spotify or Pandora. It won't be able to play the most recent
episode of a podcast using third-party podcast apps. I have no idea
why Apple is so tone deaf to how far it is lagging behind in this
space, but what they're coming out with is only going to improve the
situation slightly.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org>
On 15/06/2016, at 6:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Devin,
Yes, some of it sounds very nice, but as others have pointed
out, there isn't much that is really groundbreaking.
Collaboration in documents is something Microsoft has been
offering for years and it is high time Apple opened up their
API's to developers especially the one for SIRI. They pointed
out that SIRI has been around for 5 years now and if you really
think about it SIRI now is not a lot better than it was 5 years
ago. Yes, it's a bit faster with dictation and can pull
information from a few more sources, but why is it still not
possible to say "Call Kevin from Bigrock Sports" just to give an
example of one of my contacts where I have at least 3 or 4
Kevins in my contacts who all work for different companies. I
can't even create a contact where I just enter a company name in
the company name field and a single phone number and say, for
example, "Call Bigrock Sports". I have to also put the company
name in the last name field to do this. I should be able to say
"Show me all my contacts who work at Bigrock Sports" or I should
be able to tell SIRI to "Turn Voiceover Hints On or Off", but
all of these things SIRI can't do. Another example: I can tell
SIRI to "Remind me about my dentist appointment on Friday at 3
PM", but if I say "Remind me about my 3 PM dentist appointment
on Friday at 2 PM" it will say it will remind me and when I
RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Hi, Up until last year or so, Android was quite far behind in accessibility so Apple didn’t worry too much. With Android moving so quickly in all aspects of smart phone technology, if I was at the management level at Apple, I would start scratching my chin and trying to get my mind in gear although very late in the game, to come up with something that would keep me on top. Right now, I would say that Apple has been very slow at reacting to progress and will not stay on top with that attitude. We, in the world of people with disabilities have been so wowed with Apple being the first to give us accessibility out of the box, have been so appreciative of what was done that we have been forgetting about pushing forward and demanding more. We cannot continue to count on organizations representing people with disabilities to do it all. It is our responsibility as individuals to write to the accessibility department and insist to be heard. Just because we have made gains in the past several years is not a reason to sit there and complain within this list or any other and never get our concerns pushed to the top. In my many, many, years as a blind person, I did learn that gains are only very temporary unless we keep fighting. It’s a never ending battle. Ron & Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Petraccaro Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 2:43 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? That will change when Apple starts getting real competition from other smartphone makers, or the blind start calling/writing the access people and requesting features such as what you want. If that doesn't do it, then Apple just has certain established attitudes toward their product and feels no reason to change them. One of those, the failure of Siri to open shazam or Google seems to me to be based on Apple's making a competitive product and not wanting it's operating system to give a leg up to a product not Apple's own. - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:19 PM Subject: RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Hi Jonathan, Well, isn’t that nice of Apple. They make such a big deal of how they are opening up the API’s for all of these iOS features to developers but they conveniently forget to mention that really they don’t. As much as I like my iphone and what Apple is doing in many areas, it is very annoying that they are so backwards in other ways. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Hi Sieghard, sad to say, Siri won't be opening your Audible book any time soon. For iOS 10.0, the Siri API will only work with six kinds of application: ride booking, messaging , Photo Search, payments, Calling, and Workouts. So, Siri won't be able to open a book in Voice Dream, Bard, or any other third-party book app. It won't be able to play music for you on Spotify or Pandora. It won't be able to play the most recent episode of a podcast using third-party podcast apps. I have no idea why Apple is so tone deaf to how far it is lagging behind in this space, but what they're coming out with is only going to improve the situation slightly. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 15/06/2016, at 6:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote: Hi Devin, Yes, some of it sounds very nice, but as others have pointed out, there isn't much that is really groundbreaking. Collaboration in documents is something Microsoft has been offering for years and it is high time Apple opened up their API's to developers especially the one for SIRI. They pointed out that SIRI has been around for 5 years now and if you really think about it SIRI now is not a lot better than it was 5 years ago. Yes, it's a bit faster with dictation and can pull information from a few more sources, but why is it still not possible to say "Call Kevin from Bigrock Sports" just to give an example of one of my contacts where I have at least 3 or 4 Kevins in my contacts who all work for different companies. I can't even create a contact where I just enter a company name in the company name field and a single phone number and say, for example, "Call Bigrock Sports". I have to also put the company name in the last name field to do this. I should be able to say "Show me all my contacts who work at
RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Hi, I would agree that carriers would have absolutely nothing to do with it. Voice is voice and it’s a question of turning it into text. We already do it when we dictate a text message. Its only a question of where the converter gets the voice from. I would also agree that this is a fantastic move forward for the deaf blind but it wasn't a wow! Moment for me as it is something that most of us are not likely to ever use unless it is a complicated voice message that would be understood better when reading it rather than listening to it several times. I was very disappointed that, having listened to the whole thing and not even taking a bathroom break, I didn't hear Apple even mention the word accessibility. Hope I didn't miss anything. Ron & Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of englishride...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? I shouldn't think the carriers would have anything to do with that. What makes you think they would? Thanks, Ari > On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: > > That is a cool feature but I wonder how many phone carriers will support this > feature. > > Shawn > Sent From My White MacBook > Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk > Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs > Skype username: bbstheblindrapper > Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com > >> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:59 PM, christopher hallsworth >> wrote: >> >> And how about Siri transcribing your voicemails? A wonderful addition to the >> deafblind. Imagine reading your voicemail messages with a Braille display? >> Again, all fascinating stuff. >>> On 14 Jun 2016, at 16:49, Devin Prater wrote: >>> >>> Sure, but little things add up to big changes. Siri gets integrated into >>> predictive text, so she can suggest better options there, like I'm at >>> (suggests input of location into the text)" and stuff like that. Siri is >>> open to developers, so apps can allow Siri to use their functionality from >>> anywhere. Apps can do things within iMessage, like allowing sending of >>> money right from messages. Mac gets Siri, tabs in every multi-window app. >>> People can collaborate with notes. Unlock Mac with Apple watch. Just >>> amazing stuff! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Kelly Pierce wrote: >>>> >>>> If you can't stream it, download my MP3 of the event and play it on >>>> a stand alone device. Apple announced incremental improvements, >>>> not breakthrough technology. Even Facebook with its calling >>>> feature in the messages app, a Facetime mimmick, offered something >>>> new. Some of Apple's innovations will need to be experieinced to >>>> be believed. The photos app will now be able to recognize peple and >>>> places. >>>> >>>> Kelly >>>> >>>>> On 6/14/16, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I was under the impression that the Apple event was yesterday. I >>>>> cannot stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was yesterday, how come >>>>> the silence? Was it so unremarkable? Or do I have the wrong week? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Sandy. >>>>> >>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the V >>>>> iPhone list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>>> itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>> >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>> send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Sieghard, Like to say that your line of thinking is just like mine except you express it much better than I could. Much food for thought For as long as I can find the money to pay for it, I will stick with Apple's philosophy. Ron & Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday? According to Apple the work they are doing with this so-called "Differential Privacy" is groundbreaking and visionary. This is at least is one thing which makes me quite happy, Apple still emphasizes privacy and they are trying to deliver a great user experience while preserving privacy. For example, they mentioned that the 11 Billion computations iOS does on a photo to recognize as much as possible on said photo are all done on the device and nothing goes to Apple servers. They also mentioned that Apple is not building user profiles regarding people's habits, preferences and what they do. This of course is completely opposite to what Google is doing since it is their goal to deliver as much convenient technology as possible all so they can collect as much information from their users as possible which they can then turn around and convert it into advertising revenue. It's a fundamental difference in how these companies make their money, Google from advertising which finances the development of Android and hardware which in turn provides more advertising revenue. Apple makes great hardware which is sold at a premium price and in turn this allows them to continue to do what they are doing while trying to preserve their customer's privacy as much as possible. Best regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:43 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? If you can't stream it, download my MP3 of the event and play it on a stand alone device. Apple announced incremental improvements, not breakthrough technology. Even Facebook with its calling feature in the messages app, a Facetime mimmick, offered something new. Some of Apple's innovations will need to be experieinced to be believed. The photos app will now be able to recognize peple and places. Kelly On 6/14/16, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote: > Hi, > > I was under the impression that the Apple event was yesterday. I > cannot stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was yesterday, how come the > silence? Was it so unremarkable? Or do I have the wrong week? > > Thanks, Sandy. > > sent from the dark side of the moon > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or
Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
I would claim that Apple is getting real competition from other smart
phone makers. I haven't checked the numbers lately, but Android in
general and Samsung in particular outsell IOS and i Phones. Even if
Apple has let over Samsung or is doing better in particular markets, I
think Apple would be crazy not to consider this serious competition.
Note, I'm not saying Android or Samsung is better than IOS or Apple, but
I just don't think it's true that they aren't real competition for the
iPhone.
On 16/06/16 01:42, Gary Petraccaro wrote:
That will change when Apple starts getting real competition from other
smartphone makers, or the blind start calling/writing the access people
and requesting features such as what you want. If that doesn't do it,
then Apple just has certain established attitudes toward their product
and feels no reason to change them. One of those, the failure of Siri
to open shazam or Google seems to me to be based on Apple's making a
competitive product and not wanting it's operating system to give a leg
up to a product not Apple's own.
- Original Message -
*From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:19 PM
*Subject:* RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Hi Jonathan,
Well, isn’t that nice of Apple. They make such a big deal of how
they are opening up the API’s for all of these iOS features to
developers but they conveniently forget to mention that really they
don’t. As much as I like my iphone and what Apple is doing in many
areas, it is very annoying that they are so backwards in other ways.
Regards,
Sieghard
*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
*On Behalf Of *Jonathan Mosen
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Hi Sieghard, sad to say, Siri won't be opening your Audible book any
time soon. For iOS 10.0, the Siri API will only work with six kinds
of application: ride booking, messaging , Photo Search, payments,
Calling, and Workouts.
So, Siri won't be able to open a book in Voice Dream, Bard, or any
other third-party book app. It won't be able to play music for you
on Spotify or Pandora. It won't be able to play the most recent
episode of a podcast using third-party podcast apps. I have no idea
why Apple is so tone deaf to how far it is lagging behind in this
space, but what they're coming out with is only going to improve the
situation slightly.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org>
On 15/06/2016, at 6:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Devin,
Yes, some of it sounds very nice, but as others have pointed
out, there isn't much that is really groundbreaking.
Collaboration in documents is something Microsoft has been
offering for years and it is high time Apple opened up their
API's to developers especially the one for SIRI. They pointed
out that SIRI has been around for 5 years now and if you really
think about it SIRI now is not a lot better than it was 5 years
ago. Yes, it's a bit faster with dictation and can pull
information from a few more sources, but why is it still not
possible to say "Call Kevin from Bigrock Sports" just to give an
example of one of my contacts where I have at least 3 or 4
Kevins in my contacts who all work for different companies. I
can't even create a contact where I just enter a company name in
the company name field and a single phone number and say, for
example, "Call Bigrock Sports". I have to also put the company
name in the last name field to do this. I should be able to say
"Show me all my contacts who work at Bigrock Sports" or I should
be able to tell SIRI to "Turn Voiceover Hints On or Off", but
all of these things SIRI can't do. Another example: I can tell
SIRI to "Remind me about my dentist appointment on Friday at 3
PM", but if I say "Remind me about my 3 PM dentist appointment
on Friday at 2 PM" it will say it will remind me and when I
check what SIRI created I see it created the reminder for 3 PM
whereas I want to be reminded at 2 PM that my appointment is at
3 PM. There is a complicated way to say it so it does what I
want, but I should be able to say it anyway I like or even in
two parts like "Remind me about my dentist appointment at 3 PM
on Friday" a
Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
That will change when Apple starts getting real competition from other smartphone makers, or the blind start calling/writing the access people and requesting features such as what you want. If that doesn't do it, then Apple just has certain established attitudes toward their product and feels no reason to change them. One of those, the failure of Siri to open shazam or Google seems to me to be based on Apple's making a competitive product and not wanting it's operating system to give a leg up to a product not Apple's own. - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:19 PM Subject: RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Hi Jonathan, Well, isn’t that nice of Apple. They make such a big deal of how they are opening up the API’s for all of these iOS features to developers but they conveniently forget to mention that really they don’t. As much as I like my iphone and what Apple is doing in many areas, it is very annoying that they are so backwards in other ways. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Hi Sieghard, sad to say, Siri won't be opening your Audible book any time soon. For iOS 10.0, the Siri API will only work with six kinds of application: ride booking, messaging , Photo Search, payments, Calling, and Workouts. So, Siri won't be able to open a book in Voice Dream, Bard, or any other third-party book app. It won't be able to play music for you on Spotify or Pandora. It won't be able to play the most recent episode of a podcast using third-party podcast apps. I have no idea why Apple is so tone deaf to how far it is lagging behind in this space, but what they're coming out with is only going to improve the situation slightly. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 15/06/2016, at 6:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Devin, Yes, some of it sounds very nice, but as others have pointed out, there isn't much that is really groundbreaking. Collaboration in documents is something Microsoft has been offering for years and it is high time Apple opened up their API's to developers especially the one for SIRI. They pointed out that SIRI has been around for 5 years now and if you really think about it SIRI now is not a lot better than it was 5 years ago. Yes, it's a bit faster with dictation and can pull information from a few more sources, but why is it still not possible to say "Call Kevin from Bigrock Sports" just to give an example of one of my contacts where I have at least 3 or 4 Kevins in my contacts who all work for different companies. I can't even create a contact where I just enter a company name in the company name field and a single phone number and say, for example, "Call Bigrock Sports". I have to also put the company name in the last name field to do this. I should be able to say "Show me all my contacts who work at Bigrock Sports" or I should be able to tell SIRI to "Turn Voiceover Hints On or Off", but all of these things SIRI can't do. Another example: I can tell SIRI to "Remind me about my dentist appointment on Friday at 3 PM", but if I say "Remind me about my 3 PM dentist appointment on Friday at 2 PM" it will say it will remind me and when I check what SIRI created I see it created the reminder for 3 PM whereas I want to be reminded at 2 PM that my appointment is at 3 PM. There is a complicated way to say it so it does what I want, but I should be able to say it anyway I like or even in two parts like "Remind me about my dentist appointment at 3 PM on Friday" and when SIRI says it will I should be able to bring it up again and say "Start reminding me once an hour starting at 11 AM and it should understand that I want a reminder at 11 AM, Noon, 1 PM and 2 PM and maybe by its own intelligence SIRI should remind me again 15 minutes before if it detects my iPhone is not moving. This is true artificial intelligence, it already exists, the iPhone has the processing power to do it and so do Apple's servers. I can't say how much I look forward to being finally able to say "Play the Audible book I am currently listening to" or, if I have not started one but have a bunch downloaded I hope I can say "Play Night Ranger in audible" (just one example of a book by Alex Berentson I just finished). Another basic example of something super simple SIRI can't do. Try and ask SIRI to "Start the Stop Watch". SIRI will tell you "Sorry, I can
RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
That sounds like a good excuse to me, if Apple gives developers access to the SIRI API then it won’t matter if the commands have to do with Messages or calling or music or audio books. I guess they just hold back because they can. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 2:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? They say that it is because Siri cannot accurately recognize other types of commands, but that when it does, those app catagories will get Siri access too. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 15, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: Hi Jonathan, Well, isn’t that nice of Apple. They make such a big deal of how they are opening up the API’s for all of these iOS features to developers but they conveniently forget to mention that really they don’t. As much as I like my iphone and what Apple is doing in many areas, it is very annoying that they are so backwards in other ways. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Hi Sieghard, sad to say, Siri won't be opening your Audible book any time soon. For iOS 10.0, the Siri API will only work with six kinds of application: ride booking, messaging , Photo Search, payments, Calling, and Workouts. So, Siri won't be able to open a book in Voice Dream, Bard, or any other third-party book app. It won't be able to play music for you on Spotify or Pandora. It won't be able to play the most recent episode of a podcast using third-party podcast apps. I have no idea why Apple is so tone deaf to how far it is lagging behind in this space, but what they're coming out with is only going to improve the situation slightly. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org<http://mosen.org> On 15/06/2016, at 6:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: Hi Devin, Yes, some of it sounds very nice, but as others have pointed out, there isn't much that is really groundbreaking. Collaboration in documents is something Microsoft has been offering for years and it is high time Apple opened up their API's to developers especially the one for SIRI. They pointed out that SIRI has been around for 5 years now and if you really think about it SIRI now is not a lot better than it was 5 years ago. Yes, it's a bit faster with dictation and can pull information from a few more sources, but why is it still not possible to say "Call Kevin from Bigrock Sports" just to give an example of one of my contacts where I have at least 3 or 4 Kevins in my contacts who all work for different companies. I can't even create a contact where I just enter a company name in the company name field and a single phone number and say, for example, "Call Bigrock Sports". I have to also put the company name in the last name field to do this. I should be able to say "Show me all my contacts who work at Bigrock Sports" or I should be able to tell SIRI to "Turn Voiceover Hints On or Off", but all of these things SIRI can't do. Another example: I can tell SIRI to "Remind me about my dentist appointment on Friday at 3 PM", but if I say "Remind me about my 3 PM dentist appointment on Friday at 2 PM" it will say it will remind me and when I check what SIRI created I see it created the reminder for 3 PM whereas I want to be reminded at 2 PM that my appointment is at 3 PM. There is a complicated way to say it so it does what I want, but I should be able to say it anyway I like or even in two parts like "Remind me about my dentist appointment at 3 PM on Friday" and when SIRI says it will I should be able to bring it up again and say "Start reminding me once an hour starting at 11 AM and it should understand that I want a reminder at 11 AM, Noon, 1 PM and 2 PM and maybe by its own intelligence SIRI should remind me again 15 minutes before if it detects my iPhone is not moving. This is true artificial intelligence, it already exists, the iPhone has the processing power to do it and so do Apple's servers. I can't say how much I look forward to being finally able to say "Play the Audible book I am currently listening to" or, if I have not started one but have a bunch downloaded I hope I can say "Play Night Ranger in audible" (just one example of a book by Alex Berentson I just finished). Another basic example of something super simple SIRI can't do. Try and ask SIRI to "Start the Stop Watch". SIRI will tell you "Sorry, I
Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
They say that it is because Siri cannot accurately recognize other types of commands, but that when it does, those app catagories will get Siri access too. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 15, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > Hi Jonathan, > > Well, isn’t that nice of Apple. They make such a big deal of how they are > opening up the API’s for all of these iOS features to developers but they > conveniently forget to mention that really they don’t. As much as I like my > iphone and what Apple is doing in many areas, it is very annoying that they > are so backwards in other ways. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Jonathan Mosen > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? > > Hi Sieghard, sad to say, Siri won't be opening your Audible book any time > soon. For iOS 10.0, the Siri API will only work with six kinds of > application: ride booking, messaging , Photo Search, payments, Calling, and > Workouts. > So, Siri won't be able to open a book in Voice Dream, Bard, or any other > third-party book app. It won't be able to play music for you on Spotify or > Pandora. It won't be able to play the most recent episode of a podcast using > third-party podcast apps. I have no idea why Apple is so tone deaf to how far > it is lagging behind in this space, but what they're coming out with is only > going to improve the situation slightly. > Jonathan Mosen > Mosen Consulting > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > http://Mosen.org > > On 15/06/2016, at 6:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > Hi Devin, > > Yes, some of it sounds very nice, but as others have pointed out, there isn't > much that is really groundbreaking. Collaboration in documents is something > Microsoft has been offering for years and it is high time Apple opened up > their API's to developers especially the one for SIRI. They pointed out that > SIRI has been around for 5 years now and if you really think about it SIRI > now is not a lot better than it was 5 years ago. Yes, it's a bit faster with > dictation and can pull information from a few more sources, but why is it > still not possible to say "Call Kevin from Bigrock Sports" just to give an > example of one of my contacts where I have at least 3 or 4 Kevins in my > contacts who all work for different companies. I can't even create a contact > where I just enter a company name in the company name field and a single > phone number and say, for example, "Call Bigrock Sports". I have to also put > the company name in the last name field to do this. I should be able to say > "Show me all my contacts who work at Bigrock Sports" or I should be able to > tell SIRI to "Turn Voiceover Hints On or Off", but all of these things SIRI > can't do. Another example: I can tell SIRI to "Remind me about my dentist > appointment on Friday at 3 PM", but if I say "Remind me about my 3 PM dentist > appointment on Friday at 2 PM" it will say it will remind me and when I check > what SIRI created I see it created the reminder for 3 PM whereas I want to be > reminded at 2 PM that my appointment is at 3 PM. There is a complicated way > to say it so it does what I want, but I should be able to say it anyway I > like or even in two parts like "Remind me about my dentist appointment at 3 > PM on Friday" and when SIRI says it will I should be able to bring it up > again and say "Start reminding me once an hour starting at 11 AM and it > should understand that I want a reminder at 11 AM, Noon, 1 PM and 2 PM and > maybe by its own intelligence SIRI should remind me again 15 minutes before > if it detects my iPhone is not moving. This is true artificial intelligence, > it already exists, the iPhone has the processing power to do it and so do > Apple's servers. > I can't say how much I look forward to being finally able to say "Play the > Audible book I am currently listening to" or, if I have not started one but > have a bunch downloaded I hope I can say "Play Night Ranger in audible" (just > one example of a book by Alex Berentson I just finished). > Another basic example of something super simple SIRI can't do. Try and ask > SIRI to "Start the Stop Watch". SIRI will tell you "Sorry, I can't help you > with the stop watch". Huh, really, it can set a timer, an alarm, it can > create calendar events and reminders but it can't start the stop watch? Why? > > > Best regards,
RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Hi Jonathan, Well, isn’t that nice of Apple. They make such a big deal of how they are opening up the API’s for all of these iOS features to developers but they conveniently forget to mention that really they don’t. As much as I like my iphone and what Apple is doing in many areas, it is very annoying that they are so backwards in other ways. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Hi Sieghard, sad to say, Siri won't be opening your Audible book any time soon. For iOS 10.0, the Siri API will only work with six kinds of application: ride booking, messaging , Photo Search, payments, Calling, and Workouts. So, Siri won't be able to open a book in Voice Dream, Bard, or any other third-party book app. It won't be able to play music for you on Spotify or Pandora. It won't be able to play the most recent episode of a podcast using third-party podcast apps. I have no idea why Apple is so tone deaf to how far it is lagging behind in this space, but what they're coming out with is only going to improve the situation slightly. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org<http://mosen.org> On 15/06/2016, at 6:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: Hi Devin, Yes, some of it sounds very nice, but as others have pointed out, there isn't much that is really groundbreaking. Collaboration in documents is something Microsoft has been offering for years and it is high time Apple opened up their API's to developers especially the one for SIRI. They pointed out that SIRI has been around for 5 years now and if you really think about it SIRI now is not a lot better than it was 5 years ago. Yes, it's a bit faster with dictation and can pull information from a few more sources, but why is it still not possible to say "Call Kevin from Bigrock Sports" just to give an example of one of my contacts where I have at least 3 or 4 Kevins in my contacts who all work for different companies. I can't even create a contact where I just enter a company name in the company name field and a single phone number and say, for example, "Call Bigrock Sports". I have to also put the company name in the last name field to do this. I should be able to say "Show me all my contacts who work at Bigrock Sports" or I should be able to tell SIRI to "Turn Voiceover Hints On or Off", but all of these things SIRI can't do. Another example: I can tell SIRI to "Remind me about my dentist appointment on Friday at 3 PM", but if I say "Remind me about my 3 PM dentist appointment on Friday at 2 PM" it will say it will remind me and when I check what SIRI created I see it created the reminder for 3 PM whereas I want to be reminded at 2 PM that my appointment is at 3 PM. There is a complicated way to say it so it does what I want, but I should be able to say it anyway I like or even in two parts like "Remind me about my dentist appointment at 3 PM on Friday" and when SIRI says it will I should be able to bring it up again and say "Start reminding me once an hour starting at 11 AM and it should understand that I want a reminder at 11 AM, Noon, 1 PM and 2 PM and maybe by its own intelligence SIRI should remind me again 15 minutes before if it detects my iPhone is not moving. This is true artificial intelligence, it already exists, the iPhone has the processing power to do it and so do Apple's servers. I can't say how much I look forward to being finally able to say "Play the Audible book I am currently listening to" or, if I have not started one but have a bunch downloaded I hope I can say "Play Night Ranger in audible" (just one example of a book by Alex Berentson I just finished). Another basic example of something super simple SIRI can't do. Try and ask SIRI to "Start the Stop Watch". SIRI will tell you "Sorry, I can't help you with the stop watch". Huh, really, it can set a timer, an alarm, it can create calendar events and reminders but it can't start the stop watch? Why? Best regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:50 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Sure, but little things add up to big changes. Siri gets integrated into predictive text, so she can suggest better options there, like I'm at (suggests input of location into the text)" and stuff like that. Siri is open to developers, so apps can allow Si
Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Hi Sieghard, sad to say, Siri won't be opening your Audible book any time soon. For iOS 10.0, the Siri API will only work with six kinds of application: ride booking, messaging , Photo Search, payments, Calling, and Workouts. So, Siri won't be able to open a book in Voice Dream, Bard, or any other third-party book app. It won't be able to play music for you on Spotify or Pandora. It won't be able to play the most recent episode of a podcast using third-party podcast apps. I have no idea why Apple is so tone deaf to how far it is lagging behind in this space, but what they're coming out with is only going to improve the situation slightly. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org > On 15/06/2016, at 6:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > Hi Devin, > > Yes, some of it sounds very nice, but as others have pointed out, there isn't > much that is really groundbreaking. Collaboration in documents is something > Microsoft has been offering for years and it is high time Apple opened up > their API's to developers especially the one for SIRI. They pointed out that > SIRI has been around for 5 years now and if you really think about it SIRI > now is not a lot better than it was 5 years ago. Yes, it's a bit faster with > dictation and can pull information from a few more sources, but why is it > still not possible to say "Call Kevin from Bigrock Sports" just to give an > example of one of my contacts where I have at least 3 or 4 Kevins in my > contacts who all work for different companies. I can't even create a contact > where I just enter a company name in the company name field and a single > phone number and say, for example, "Call Bigrock Sports". I have to also put > the company name in the last name field to do this. I should be able to say > "Show me all my contacts who work at Bigrock Sports" or I should be able to > tell SIRI to "Turn Voiceover Hints On or Off", but all of these things SIRI > can't do. Another example: I can tell SIRI to "Remind me about my dentist > appointment on Friday at 3 PM", but if I say "Remind me about my 3 PM dentist > appointment on Friday at 2 PM" it will say it will remind me and when I check > what SIRI created I see it created the reminder for 3 PM whereas I want to be > reminded at 2 PM that my appointment is at 3 PM. There is a complicated way > to say it so it does what I want, but I should be able to say it anyway I > like or even in two parts like "Remind me about my dentist appointment at 3 > PM on Friday" and when SIRI says it will I should be able to bring it up > again and say "Start reminding me once an hour starting at 11 AM and it > should understand that I want a reminder at 11 AM, Noon, 1 PM and 2 PM and > maybe by its own intelligence SIRI should remind me again 15 minutes before > if it detects my iPhone is not moving. This is true artificial intelligence, > it already exists, the iPhone has the processing power to do it and so do > Apple's servers. > I can't say how much I look forward to being finally able to say "Play the > Audible book I am currently listening to" or, if I have not started one but > have a bunch downloaded I hope I can say "Play Night Ranger in audible" (just > one example of a book by Alex Berentson I just finished). > Another basic example of something super simple SIRI can't do. Try and ask > SIRI to "Start the Stop Watch". SIRI will tell you "Sorry, I can't help you > with the stop watch". Huh, really, it can set a timer, an alarm, it can > create calendar events and reminders but it can't start the stop watch? Why? > > > Best regards, > Sieghard > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Devin Prater > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:50 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? > > Sure, but little things add up to big changes. Siri gets integrated into > predictive text, so she can suggest better options there, like I'm at > (suggests input of location into the text)" and stuff like that. Siri is open > to developers, so apps can allow Siri to use their functionality from > anywhere. Apps can do things within iMessage, like allowing sending of money > right from messages. Mac gets Siri, tabs in every multi-window app. People > can collaborate with notes. Unlock Mac with Apple watch. Just amazing stuff! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Kelly Pierce wrote: >> >> If you can'
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Yes, and most of the carriers I know of that do it only support it when using a droid anyways, at least that is how Sprint does it, and it is an add-on cost. - Original Message - From: "Sieghard Weitzel" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:31 PM Subject: RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Some carriers offer this as a feature, but in this case it is an iOS feature and iOS will do the voice-to-text translation and display the text in the Phone app. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of englishride...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? I shouldn't think the carriers would have anything to do with that. What makes you think they would? Thanks, Ari On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: That is a cool feature but I wonder how many phone carriers will support this feature. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:59 PM, christopher hallsworth wrote: And how about Siri transcribing your voicemails? A wonderful addition to the deafblind. Imagine reading your voicemail messages with a Braille display? Again, all fascinating stuff. On 14 Jun 2016, at 16:49, Devin Prater wrote: Sure, but little things add up to big changes. Siri gets integrated into predictive text, so she can suggest better options there, like I'm at (suggests input of location into the text)" and stuff like that. Siri is open to developers, so apps can allow Siri to use their functionality from anywhere. Apps can do things within iMessage, like allowing sending of money right from messages. Mac gets Siri, tabs in every multi-window app. People can collaborate with notes. Unlock Mac with Apple watch. Just amazing stuff! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Kelly Pierce wrote: If you can't stream it, download my MP3 of the event and play it on a stand alone device. Apple announced incremental improvements, not breakthrough technology. Even Facebook with its calling feature in the messages app, a Facetime mimmick, offered something new. Some of Apple's innovations will need to be experieinced to be believed. The photos app will now be able to recognize peple and places. Kelly On 6/14/16, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote: Hi, I was under the impression that the Apple event was yesterday. I cannot stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was yesterday, how come the silence? Was it so unremarkable? Or do I have the wrong week? Thanks, Sandy. sent from the dark side of the moon -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Yo
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Some carriers offer this as a feature, but in this case it is an iOS feature and iOS will do the voice-to-text translation and display the text in the Phone app. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of englishride...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? I shouldn't think the carriers would have anything to do with that. What makes you think they would? Thanks, Ari > On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: > > That is a cool feature but I wonder how many phone carriers will support this > feature. > > Shawn > Sent From My White MacBook > Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk > Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs > Skype username: bbstheblindrapper > Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com > >> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:59 PM, christopher hallsworth >> wrote: >> >> And how about Siri transcribing your voicemails? A wonderful addition to the >> deafblind. Imagine reading your voicemail messages with a Braille display? >> Again, all fascinating stuff. >>> On 14 Jun 2016, at 16:49, Devin Prater wrote: >>> >>> Sure, but little things add up to big changes. Siri gets integrated into >>> predictive text, so she can suggest better options there, like I'm at >>> (suggests input of location into the text)" and stuff like that. Siri is >>> open to developers, so apps can allow Siri to use their functionality from >>> anywhere. Apps can do things within iMessage, like allowing sending of >>> money right from messages. Mac gets Siri, tabs in every multi-window app. >>> People can collaborate with notes. Unlock Mac with Apple watch. Just >>> amazing stuff! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Kelly Pierce wrote: >>>> >>>> If you can't stream it, download my MP3 of the event and play it on >>>> a stand alone device. Apple announced incremental improvements, >>>> not breakthrough technology. Even Facebook with its calling >>>> feature in the messages app, a Facetime mimmick, offered something >>>> new. Some of Apple's innovations will need to be experieinced to >>>> be believed. The photos app will now be able to recognize peple and >>>> places. >>>> >>>> Kelly >>>> >>>>> On 6/14/16, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I was under the impression that the Apple event was yesterday. I >>>>> cannot stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was yesterday, how come >>>>> the silence? Was it so unremarkable? Or do I have the wrong week? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Sandy. >>>>> >>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the V >>>>> iPhone list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>>> itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>> >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>> send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>> list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderat
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I'm not sure that, in the longer or even in the medium term, Apple will be able to successfully (that is, profitably) maintain its pro-privacy stance in its software and devices. There are already pressures coming from various quarterrs on that aspect. -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday? According to Apple the work they are doing with this so-called "Differential Privacy" is groundbreaking and visionary. This is at least is one thing which makes me quite happy, Apple still emphasizes privacy and they are trying to deliver a great user experience while preserving privacy. For example, they mentioned that the 11 Billion computations iOS does on a photo to recognize as much as possible on said photo are all done on the device and nothing goes to Apple servers. They also mentioned that Apple is not building user profiles regarding people's habits, preferences and what they do. This of course is completely opposite to what Google is doing since it is their goal to deliver as much convenient technology as possible all so they can collect as much information from their users as possible which they can then turn around and convert it into advertising revenue. It's a fundamental difference in how these companies make their money, Google from advertising which finances the development of Android and hardware which in turn provides more advertising revenue. Apple makes great hardware which is sold at a premium price and in turn this allows them to continue to do what they are doing while trying to preserve their customer's privacy as much as possible. Best regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:43 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? If you can't stream it, download my MP3 of the event and play it on a stand alone device. Apple announced incremental improvements, not breakthrough technology. Even Facebook with its calling feature in the messages app, a Facetime mimmick, offered something new. Some of Apple's innovations will need to be experieinced to be believed. The photos app will now be able to recognize peple and places. Kelly On 6/14/16, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote: Hi, I was under the impression that the Apple event was yesterday. I cannot stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was yesterday, how come the silence? Was it so unremarkable? Or do I have the wrong week? Thanks, Sandy. sent from the dark side of the moon -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Car
Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Also, if it matters: when Web links are given in iMessages they'll reproduce the actual Web page content as well. "Facial recognition in photos" could be a good thing for us, if VoiceOver can speak the info (as it usually would). -Original Message- From: Devin Prater Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Sure, but little things add up to big changes. Siri gets integrated into predictive text, so she can suggest better options there, like I'm at (suggests input of location into the text)" and stuff like that. Siri is open to developers, so apps can allow Siri to use their functionality from anywhere. Apps can do things within iMessage, like allowing sending of money right from messages. Mac gets Siri, tabs in every multi-window app. People can collaborate with notes. Unlock Mac with Apple watch. Just amazing stuff! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Kelly Pierce wrote: If you can't stream it, download my MP3 of the event and play it on a stand alone device. Apple announced incremental improvements, not breakthrough technology. Even Facebook with its calling feature in the messages app, a Facetime mimmick, offered something new. Some of Apple's innovations will need to be experieinced to be believed. The photos app will now be able to recognize peple and places. Kelly On 6/14/16, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote: Hi, I was under the impression that the Apple event was yesterday. I cannot stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was yesterday, how come the silence? Was it so unremarkable? Or do I have the wrong week? Thanks, Sandy. sent from the dark side of the moon -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at cara
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I shouldn't think the carriers would have anything to do with that. What makes you think they would? Thanks, Ari > On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: > > That is a cool feature but I wonder how many phone carriers will support this > feature. > > Shawn > Sent From My White MacBook > Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk > Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs > Skype username: bbstheblindrapper > Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com > >> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:59 PM, christopher hallsworth >> wrote: >> >> And how about Siri transcribing your voicemails? A wonderful addition to the >> deafblind. Imagine reading your voicemail messages with a Braille display? >> Again, all fascinating stuff. >>> On 14 Jun 2016, at 16:49, Devin Prater wrote: >>> >>> Sure, but little things add up to big changes. Siri gets integrated into >>> predictive text, so she can suggest better options there, like I'm at >>> (suggests input of location into the text)" and stuff like that. Siri is >>> open to developers, so apps can allow Siri to use their functionality from >>> anywhere. Apps can do things within iMessage, like allowing sending of >>> money right from messages. Mac gets Siri, tabs in every multi-window app. >>> People can collaborate with notes. Unlock Mac with Apple watch. Just >>> amazing stuff! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Kelly Pierce wrote: If you can't stream it, download my MP3 of the event and play it on a stand alone device. Apple announced incremental improvements, not breakthrough technology. Even Facebook with its calling feature in the messages app, a Facetime mimmick, offered something new. Some of Apple's innovations will need to be experieinced to be believed. The photos app will now be able to recognize peple and places. Kelly > On 6/14/16, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote: > Hi, > > I was under the impression that the Apple event was yesterday. I cannot > stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was yesterday, how come the silence? > Was > it so unremarkable? Or do I have the wrong week? > > Thanks, Sandy. > > sent from the dark side of the moon > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners > or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - >>> you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to th
Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
That is a cool feature but I wonder how many phone carriers will support this feature. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com > On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:59 PM, christopher hallsworth > wrote: > > And how about Siri transcribing your voicemails? A wonderful addition to the > deafblind. Imagine reading your voicemail messages with a Braille display? > Again, all fascinating stuff. >> On 14 Jun 2016, at 16:49, Devin Prater wrote: >> >> Sure, but little things add up to big changes. Siri gets integrated into >> predictive text, so she can suggest better options there, like I'm at >> (suggests input of location into the text)" and stuff like that. Siri is >> open to developers, so apps can allow Siri to use their functionality from >> anywhere. Apps can do things within iMessage, like allowing sending of money >> right from messages. Mac gets Siri, tabs in every multi-window app. People >> can collaborate with notes. Unlock Mac with Apple watch. Just amazing stuff! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Kelly Pierce wrote: >>> >>> If you can't stream it, download my MP3 of the event and play it on a >>> stand alone device. Apple announced incremental improvements, not >>> breakthrough technology. Even Facebook with its calling feature in >>> the messages app, a Facetime mimmick, offered something new. Some of >>> Apple's innovations will need to be experieinced to be believed. The >>> photos app will now be able to recognize peple and places. >>> >>> Kelly >>> On 6/14/16, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote: Hi, I was under the impression that the Apple event was yesterday. I cannot stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was yesterday, how come the silence? Was it so unremarkable? Or do I have the wrong week? Thanks, Sandy. sent from the dark side of the moon -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - >>> you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - >> you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >> For more opt
RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Yes, I agree that a number of these big 10 announcements will be things we as Voiceover users will rarely use. I just listened to the Today in iOS Podcast this morning where Rob summed up WWDC and he also mentioned some stuff they showed on slides which we wouldn't have known about just by listening. One interesting observation he made was the fact that there was nothing mentioned (not even in written form on one of the slides) about accessibility or Voiceover features. I'm sure Apple will have some improvements and new features, but a few years ago they would often mention accessibility. They did mention it during their WatchOS presentation which took up about 20 minutes of the entire keynote as opposed to only 7 minutes for TVOS and 15 minutes for MacOS, but it concerned wheelchair users. Nonetheless WatchOS I think is maturing a bit and I am very interested to see if there is a second generation Apple Watch this fall, if the hardware improvements are good I think I might be ready to buy an Apple Watch this fall. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? WWDC was pretty exciting for me yesterday. They announced Siri for Mac. Can't wait to test that out in July when the public beta is available. As for the iPhone, I doubt I'll use the emoji thing or the bubble effects or sending money to people. I like how we can potentially use Siri to call or message people through Skype but other than that, iOS 10 was just ok with me. The features for Mac OS Sierra were more exciting for me, but since this is an iPhone list, I'll leave it at that. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com > On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: > > Apple don’t usually discuss hardware at WWDC. I believe the fall is when > they release iPhone hardware. > >> On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Mohib Anwar Rafay wrote: >> >> When apple will announce its next phone? iPhone 7? >> >> On 6/14/16, Devin Prater wrote: >>> Sure, but little things add up to big changes. Siri gets integrated >>> into predictive text, so she can suggest better options there, like >>> I'm at (suggests input of location into the text)" and stuff like >>> that. Siri is open to developers, so apps can allow Siri to use >>> their functionality from anywhere. Apps can do things within >>> iMessage, like allowing sending of money right from messages. Mac >>> gets Siri, tabs in every multi-window app. People can collaborate with >>> notes. Unlock Mac with Apple watch. Just amazing stuff! >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Kelly Pierce wrote: >>>> >>>> If you can't stream it, download my MP3 of the event and play it on >>>> a stand alone device. Apple announced incremental improvements, >>>> not breakthrough technology. Even Facebook with its calling >>>> feature in the messages app, a Facetime mimmick, offered something >>>> new. Some of Apple's innovations will need to be experieinced to >>>> be believed. The photos app will now be able to recognize peple and >>>> places. >>>> >>>> Kelly >>>> >>>>> On 6/14/16, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >>>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I was under the impression that the Apple event was yesterday. I >>>>> cannot stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was yesterday, how come >>>>> the silence? >>>>> Was >>>>> it so unremarkable? Or do I have the wrong week? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Sandy. >>>>> >>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the V >>>>> iPhone list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on >>>>> the list itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>>> Quinn >>>>> - >
RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Correct, my guess it will be on Monday or Tuesday, September 12 or 13. Maybe as early as the 6th of September (Monday the 5th is Labour Day so it definitely won't be then) but based on the past years it will be the week of the 12th. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pete Nalda Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:07 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Apple don’t usually discuss hardware at WWDC. I believe the fall is when they release iPhone hardware. > On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Mohib Anwar Rafay wrote: > > When apple will announce its next phone? iPhone 7? > > On 6/14/16, Devin Prater wrote: >> Sure, but little things add up to big changes. Siri gets integrated >> into predictive text, so she can suggest better options there, like >> I'm at (suggests input of location into the text)" and stuff like >> that. Siri is open to developers, so apps can allow Siri to use their >> functionality from anywhere. Apps can do things within iMessage, like >> allowing sending of money right from messages. Mac gets Siri, tabs in >> every multi-window app. People can collaborate with notes. Unlock Mac with >> Apple watch. Just amazing stuff! >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Kelly Pierce wrote: >>> >>> If you can't stream it, download my MP3 of the event and play it on >>> a stand alone device. Apple announced incremental improvements, not >>> breakthrough technology. Even Facebook with its calling feature in >>> the messages app, a Facetime mimmick, offered something new. Some >>> of Apple's innovations will need to be experieinced to be believed. >>> The photos app will now be able to recognize peple and places. >>> >>> Kelly >>> >>>> On 6/14/16, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >>>> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I was under the impression that the Apple event was yesterday. I >>>> cannot stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was yesterday, how come >>>> the silence? >>>> Was >>>> it so unremarkable? Or do I have the wrong week? >>>> >>>> Thanks, Sandy. >>>> >>>> sent from the dark side of the moon >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V >>>> iPhone list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on >>>> the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>> Quinn >>>> - >>>> you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>> >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>> send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V >>> iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>> itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, se
RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Hi Devin, Yes, some of it sounds very nice, but as others have pointed out, there isn't much that is really groundbreaking. Collaboration in documents is something Microsoft has been offering for years and it is high time Apple opened up their API's to developers especially the one for SIRI. They pointed out that SIRI has been around for 5 years now and if you really think about it SIRI now is not a lot better than it was 5 years ago. Yes, it's a bit faster with dictation and can pull information from a few more sources, but why is it still not possible to say "Call Kevin from Bigrock Sports" just to give an example of one of my contacts where I have at least 3 or 4 Kevins in my contacts who all work for different companies. I can't even create a contact where I just enter a company name in the company name field and a single phone number and say, for example, "Call Bigrock Sports". I have to also put the company name in the last name field to do this. I should be able to say "Show me all my contacts who work at Bigrock Sports" or I should be able to tell SIRI to "Turn Voiceover Hints On or Off", but all of these things SIRI can't do. Another example: I can tell SIRI to "Remind me about my dentist appointment on Friday at 3 PM", but if I say "Remind me about my 3 PM dentist appointment on Friday at 2 PM" it will say it will remind me and when I check what SIRI created I see it created the reminder for 3 PM whereas I want to be reminded at 2 PM that my appointment is at 3 PM. There is a complicated way to say it so it does what I want, but I should be able to say it anyway I like or even in two parts like "Remind me about my dentist appointment at 3 PM on Friday" and when SIRI says it will I should be able to bring it up again and say "Start reminding me once an hour starting at 11 AM and it should understand that I want a reminder at 11 AM, Noon, 1 PM and 2 PM and maybe by its own intelligence SIRI should remind me again 15 minutes before if it detects my iPhone is not moving. This is true artificial intelligence, it already exists, the iPhone has the processing power to do it and so do Apple's servers. I can't say how much I look forward to being finally able to say "Play the Audible book I am currently listening to" or, if I have not started one but have a bunch downloaded I hope I can say "Play Night Ranger in audible" (just one example of a book by Alex Berentson I just finished). Another basic example of something super simple SIRI can't do. Try and ask SIRI to "Start the Stop Watch". SIRI will tell you "Sorry, I can't help you with the stop watch". Huh, really, it can set a timer, an alarm, it can create calendar events and reminders but it can't start the stop watch? Why? Best regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:50 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Sure, but little things add up to big changes. Siri gets integrated into predictive text, so she can suggest better options there, like I'm at (suggests input of location into the text)" and stuff like that. Siri is open to developers, so apps can allow Siri to use their functionality from anywhere. Apps can do things within iMessage, like allowing sending of money right from messages. Mac gets Siri, tabs in every multi-window app. People can collaborate with notes. Unlock Mac with Apple watch. Just amazing stuff! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Kelly Pierce wrote: > > If you can't stream it, download my MP3 of the event and play it on a > stand alone device. Apple announced incremental improvements, not > breakthrough technology. Even Facebook with its calling feature in > the messages app, a Facetime mimmick, offered something new. Some of > Apple's innovations will need to be experieinced to be believed. The > photos app will now be able to recognize peple and places. > > Kelly > >> On 6/14/16, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote: >> Hi, >> >>I was under the impression that the Apple event was yesterday. I >> cannot stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was yesterday, how come >> the silence? Was it so unremarkable? Or do I have the wrong week? >> >> Thanks, Sandy. >> >> sent from the dark side of the moon >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V >> iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >> the owners
RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
According to Apple the work they are doing with this so-called "Differential Privacy" is groundbreaking and visionary. This is at least is one thing which makes me quite happy, Apple still emphasizes privacy and they are trying to deliver a great user experience while preserving privacy. For example, they mentioned that the 11 Billion computations iOS does on a photo to recognize as much as possible on said photo are all done on the device and nothing goes to Apple servers. They also mentioned that Apple is not building user profiles regarding people's habits, preferences and what they do. This of course is completely opposite to what Google is doing since it is their goal to deliver as much convenient technology as possible all so they can collect as much information from their users as possible which they can then turn around and convert it into advertising revenue. It's a fundamental difference in how these companies make their money, Google from advertising which finances the development of Android and hardware which in turn provides more advertising revenue. Apple makes great hardware which is sold at a premium price and in turn this allows them to continue to do what they are doing while trying to preserve their customer's privacy as much as possible. Best regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:43 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? If you can't stream it, download my MP3 of the event and play it on a stand alone device. Apple announced incremental improvements, not breakthrough technology. Even Facebook with its calling feature in the messages app, a Facetime mimmick, offered something new. Some of Apple's innovations will need to be experieinced to be believed. The photos app will now be able to recognize peple and places. Kelly On 6/14/16, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote: > Hi, > > I was under the impression that the Apple event was yesterday. I > cannot stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was yesterday, how come the > silence? Was it so unremarkable? Or do I have the wrong week? > > Thanks, Sandy. > > sent from the dark side of the moon > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubs
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Pity someone didn't summarise for us, like... sorry forgot his name, but they were good at summarising on the fly as these things happened. Alberto was it? he had to put the lists aside to concentrate on his studies. R. - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:54 PM Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday? WWDC was pretty exciting for me yesterday. They announced Siri for Mac. Can't wait to test that out in July when the public beta is available. As for the iPhone, I doubt I'll use the emoji thing or the bubble effects or sending money to people. I like how we can potentially use Siri to call or message people through Skype but other than that, iOS 10 was just ok with me. The features for Mac OS Sierra were more exciting for me, but since this is an iPhone list, I'll leave it at that. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com > On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: > > Apple don’t usually discuss hardware at WWDC. I believe the fall is when > they release iPhone hardware. > >> On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Mohib Anwar Rafay wrote: >> >> When apple will announce its next phone? iPhone 7? >> >> On 6/14/16, Devin Prater wrote: >>> Sure, but little things add up to big changes. Siri gets integrated into >>> predictive text, so she can suggest better options there, like I'm at >>> (suggests input of location into the text)" and stuff like that. Siri is >>> open to developers, so apps can allow Siri to use their functionality from >>> anywhere. Apps can do things within iMessage, like allowing sending of money >>> right from messages. Mac gets Siri, tabs in every multi-window app. People >>> can collaborate with notes. Unlock Mac with Apple watch. Just amazing stuff! >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Kelly Pierce wrote: >>>> >>>> If you can't stream it, download my MP3 of the event and play it on a >>>> stand alone device. Apple announced incremental improvements, not >>>> breakthrough technology. Even Facebook with its calling feature in >>>> the messages app, a Facetime mimmick, offered something new. Some of >>>> Apple's innovations will need to be experieinced to be believed. The >>>> photos app will now be able to recognize peple and places. >>>> >>>> Kelly >>>> >>>>> On 6/14/16, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >>>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I was under the impression that the Apple event was yesterday. I >>>>> cannot >>>>> stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was yesterday, how come the silence? >>>>> Was >>>>> it so unremarkable? Or do I have the wrong week? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Sandy. >>>>> >>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>>> list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>> if >>>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>>>> or >>>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn >>>>> - >>>>> you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>> >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>>> "VIPhone" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an >>>>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>> l
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And how about Siri transcribing your voicemails? A wonderful addition to the deafblind. Imagine reading your voicemail messages with a Braille display? Again, all fascinating stuff. > On 14 Jun 2016, at 16:49, Devin Prater wrote: > > Sure, but little things add up to big changes. Siri gets integrated into > predictive text, so she can suggest better options there, like I'm at > (suggests input of location into the text)" and stuff like that. Siri is open > to developers, so apps can allow Siri to use their functionality from > anywhere. Apps can do things within iMessage, like allowing sending of money > right from messages. Mac gets Siri, tabs in every multi-window app. People > can collaborate with notes. Unlock Mac with Apple watch. Just amazing stuff! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Kelly Pierce wrote: >> >> If you can't stream it, download my MP3 of the event and play it on a >> stand alone device. Apple announced incremental improvements, not >> breakthrough technology. Even Facebook with its calling feature in >> the messages app, a Facetime mimmick, offered something new. Some of >> Apple's innovations will need to be experieinced to be believed. The >> photos app will now be able to recognize peple and places. >> >> Kelly >> >>> On 6/14/16, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I was under the impression that the Apple event was yesterday. I cannot >>> stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was yesterday, how come the silence? Was >>> it so unremarkable? Or do I have the wrong week? >>> >>> Thanks, Sandy. >>> >>> sent from the dark side of the moon >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>> list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - >>> you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - >> you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reac
Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
WWDC was pretty exciting for me yesterday. They announced Siri for Mac. Can't wait to test that out in July when the public beta is available. As for the iPhone, I doubt I'll use the emoji thing or the bubble effects or sending money to people. I like how we can potentially use Siri to call or message people through Skype but other than that, iOS 10 was just ok with me. The features for Mac OS Sierra were more exciting for me, but since this is an iPhone list, I'll leave it at that. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com > On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: > > Apple don’t usually discuss hardware at WWDC. I believe the fall is when > they release iPhone hardware. > >> On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Mohib Anwar Rafay wrote: >> >> When apple will announce its next phone? iPhone 7? >> >> On 6/14/16, Devin Prater wrote: >>> Sure, but little things add up to big changes. Siri gets integrated into >>> predictive text, so she can suggest better options there, like I'm at >>> (suggests input of location into the text)" and stuff like that. Siri is >>> open to developers, so apps can allow Siri to use their functionality from >>> anywhere. Apps can do things within iMessage, like allowing sending of money >>> right from messages. Mac gets Siri, tabs in every multi-window app. People >>> can collaborate with notes. Unlock Mac with Apple watch. Just amazing stuff! >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Kelly Pierce wrote: If you can't stream it, download my MP3 of the event and play it on a stand alone device. Apple announced incremental improvements, not breakthrough technology. Even Facebook with its calling feature in the messages app, a Facetime mimmick, offered something new. Some of Apple's innovations will need to be experieinced to be believed. The photos app will now be able to recognize peple and places. Kelly > On 6/14/16, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone > wrote: > Hi, > > I was under the impression that the Apple event was yesterday. I > cannot > stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was yesterday, how come the silence? > Was > it so unremarkable? Or do I have the wrong week? > > Thanks, Sandy. > > sent from the dark side of the moon > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners > or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn > - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>> list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - >>> yo
Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Apple don’t usually discuss hardware at WWDC. I believe the fall is when they release iPhone hardware. > On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Mohib Anwar Rafay wrote: > > When apple will announce its next phone? iPhone 7? > > On 6/14/16, Devin Prater wrote: >> Sure, but little things add up to big changes. Siri gets integrated into >> predictive text, so she can suggest better options there, like I'm at >> (suggests input of location into the text)" and stuff like that. Siri is >> open to developers, so apps can allow Siri to use their functionality from >> anywhere. Apps can do things within iMessage, like allowing sending of money >> right from messages. Mac gets Siri, tabs in every multi-window app. People >> can collaborate with notes. Unlock Mac with Apple watch. Just amazing stuff! >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Kelly Pierce wrote: >>> >>> If you can't stream it, download my MP3 of the event and play it on a >>> stand alone device. Apple announced incremental improvements, not >>> breakthrough technology. Even Facebook with its calling feature in >>> the messages app, a Facetime mimmick, offered something new. Some of >>> Apple's innovations will need to be experieinced to be believed. The >>> photos app will now be able to recognize peple and places. >>> >>> Kelly >>> On 6/14/16, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote: Hi, I was under the impression that the Apple event was yesterday. I cannot stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was yesterday, how come the silence? Was it so unremarkable? Or do I have the wrong week? Thanks, Sandy. sent from the dark side of the moon -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>> list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - >>> you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >> list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - >> you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > Mohib Anwar Rafay > > Phone: +919 555 555 765 > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > y
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When apple will announce its next phone? iPhone 7? On 6/14/16, Devin Prater wrote: > Sure, but little things add up to big changes. Siri gets integrated into > predictive text, so she can suggest better options there, like I'm at > (suggests input of location into the text)" and stuff like that. Siri is > open to developers, so apps can allow Siri to use their functionality from > anywhere. Apps can do things within iMessage, like allowing sending of money > right from messages. Mac gets Siri, tabs in every multi-window app. People > can collaborate with notes. Unlock Mac with Apple watch. Just amazing stuff! > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Kelly Pierce wrote: >> >> If you can't stream it, download my MP3 of the event and play it on a >> stand alone device. Apple announced incremental improvements, not >> breakthrough technology. Even Facebook with its calling feature in >> the messages app, a Facetime mimmick, offered something new. Some of >> Apple's innovations will need to be experieinced to be believed. The >> photos app will now be able to recognize peple and places. >> >> Kelly >> >>> On 6/14/16, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >>> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>>I was under the impression that the Apple event was yesterday. I >>> cannot >>> stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was yesterday, how come the silence? >>> Was >>> it so unremarkable? Or do I have the wrong week? >>> >>> Thanks, Sandy. >>> >>> sent from the dark side of the moon >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>> list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>> if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or >>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn >>> - >>> you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >> list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - >> you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Mohib Anwar Rafay Phone: +919 555 555 765 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-arc
Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Sure, but little things add up to big changes. Siri gets integrated into predictive text, so she can suggest better options there, like I'm at (suggests input of location into the text)" and stuff like that. Siri is open to developers, so apps can allow Siri to use their functionality from anywhere. Apps can do things within iMessage, like allowing sending of money right from messages. Mac gets Siri, tabs in every multi-window app. People can collaborate with notes. Unlock Mac with Apple watch. Just amazing stuff! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Kelly Pierce wrote: > > If you can't stream it, download my MP3 of the event and play it on a > stand alone device. Apple announced incremental improvements, not > breakthrough technology. Even Facebook with its calling feature in > the messages app, a Facetime mimmick, offered something new. Some of > Apple's innovations will need to be experieinced to be believed. The > photos app will now be able to recognize peple and places. > > Kelly > >> On 6/14/16, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote: >> Hi, >> >>I was under the impression that the Apple event was yesterday. I cannot >> stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was yesterday, how come the silence? Was >> it so unremarkable? Or do I have the wrong week? >> >> Thanks, Sandy. >> >> sent from the dark side of the moon >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >> list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - >> you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
If you can't stream it, download my MP3 of the event and play it on a stand alone device. Apple announced incremental improvements, not breakthrough technology. Even Facebook with its calling feature in the messages app, a Facetime mimmick, offered something new. Some of Apple's innovations will need to be experieinced to be believed. The photos app will now be able to recognize peple and places. Kelly On 6/14/16, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote: > Hi, > > I was under the impression that the Apple event was yesterday. I cannot > stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was yesterday, how come the silence? Was > it so unremarkable? Or do I have the wrong week? > > Thanks, Sandy. > > sent from the dark side of the moon > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
it was yesterday On 6/14/2016 11:27 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote: Hi, I was under the impression that the Apple event was yesterday. I cannot stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was yesterday, how come the silence? Was it so unremarkable? Or do I have the wrong week? Thanks, Sandy. sent from the dark side of the moon -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
I watched the stream live, and definitely had some wow moments. It was a very magical event, for me at least. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > Hi Sandy, > > No, it was indeed yesterday and I am also surprised there hasn't been a > single message from all the Apple fans on this list. Was it unremarkable, I > would say not really as iOS 10 as well as WatchOS 3 and TVOS all get some > good updates. Was it filled with "Wow" moments? No, I wouldn't say so. If you > want to listen to the keynote just subscribe to the Apple Keynotes Podcast > and you can download the entire presentation and listen to it or you can of > course go with something smaller like episode 395 of the Today in iOS Podcast > where Rob goes over all that was said in great detail. I'm sure other > Podcastss like those from Applevis or Cool Blind Tech may also have summary > Podcasts with comments and opinions. > > > Best regards, > Sieghard > > -Original Message- > From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:27 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: WWDC event, was it yesterday? > > Hi, > >I was under the impression that the Apple event was yesterday. I cannot > stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was yesterday, how come the silence? Was > it so unremarkable? Or do I have the wrong week? > > Thanks, Sandy. > > sent from the dark side of the moon > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Hi Sandy, No, it was indeed yesterday and I am also surprised there hasn't been a single message from all the Apple fans on this list. Was it unremarkable, I would say not really as iOS 10 as well as WatchOS 3 and TVOS all get some good updates. Was it filled with "Wow" moments? No, I wouldn't say so. If you want to listen to the keynote just subscribe to the Apple Keynotes Podcast and you can download the entire presentation and listen to it or you can of course go with something smaller like episode 395 of the Today in iOS Podcast where Rob goes over all that was said in great detail. I'm sure other Podcastss like those from Applevis or Cool Blind Tech may also have summary Podcasts with comments and opinions. Best regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:27 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: WWDC event, was it yesterday? Hi, I was under the impression that the Apple event was yesterday. I cannot stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was yesterday, how come the silence? Was it so unremarkable? Or do I have the wrong week? Thanks, Sandy. sent from the dark side of the moon -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Hi, I was under the impression that the Apple event was yesterday. I cannot stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was yesterday, how come the silence? Was it so unremarkable? Or do I have the wrong week? Thanks, Sandy. sent from the dark side of the moon -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
