Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone I generally do not yet the latest version of iOS when it comes 
out. I wait for later releases. I keep my updates on manual so that I can 
decide when I want to update. I doing this I’ve been able to stay out of places 
of iOS that had lots of problems.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 6, 2020, at 6:24 PM, Lisa P. Geibel  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've been seeing this subject and ignoring it, but since I agree and have 
> some issues with it myself, thought I'd chime in on how my Husband I think 
> IOS14 sucks in case there's a fix for them.
> 
> The first thing we hate about it, I don't think can be fixed as I remember 
> seeing that this may be taken away is that whenever a notification comes in, 
> it no longer announces the time like it used to. Oh well, Apple you suck and 
> should give us the option to have that turned on or off for those that hated 
> it.
> 
> The next thing is that I don't know if any of you have noticed this or not, 
> but some notifications come in and it doesn't read the entire notification, 
> but ends with a button and there's no way that we've found to click on this 
> and read the whole notification. Anyone else notice this and know of a way to 
> read the whole notification? Does anyone know the character limit for 
> notifications since it does read the entire one sometimes and we're guessing 
> that's the issue? Thanks and any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
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RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[davycuppens]

And maybe having more patience fort he next big releases! 
Me happily using ios13.7.
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Simon A Fogarty
Verzonden: woensdag 7 oktober 2020 9:40
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

Yeah we're all getting this focus issue 

We'll just have to give apple some time to sort it out,

And people have to remember that we may not be the only ones getting these 
issues happening in the new os versions,

 For all we know the sightlings might be having the same issues also.

If not they probably get other bugs occurring.

Cheers,

Simon F


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, 7 October 2020 4:54 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

Yes, under your Apple Id it's pretty bad, also on the Today screen or whatever 
they call it nowadays I, for example, have a widget for my bank here in Canada 
which shows my balances and it's always just stuck on my business account and 
no amount of swiping or touching the screen elsewhere changes that.
Another place where I run into it often is when trying to share a news article 
or something like that, the actual share sheet is fine, but let's say the 
person isn't in the initial short list of recent people, if I tap on Messages 
or WhatsApp to share something the resulting screen which opens is inaccessible.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 2:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

And if you want a glaring example of the focus issue, go to Settings, your 
name, Media and Purchases and start swiping around.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2020 4:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

I've seen it on page 0, the page dedicated to widgets, so I don't think it's 
just an issue with apps supporting IOS 14.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> regina alvarado
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 2:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> I think that the focus issue is mostly in apps that have not been made 
> properly to work with iOS 14. I had problems with one or two pages of 
> the iOS, but where I m having a terrible time is on my bank. I only 
> have a Icon that takes me to my bank so I don t know if it s an app or 
> online, but it does have focus issues. If you flick to the right it 
> will take you back to the top no matter what you try to do. I can do 
> it by touch sometimes I touch into the middle of the page and then go 
> back and fix it. However, most of the problems are being worked out by people 
> updating Their apps.
> 
> Reggie Alvarado
> 
> On Oct 6, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> ?That is right, and that is why,k I'm still on 13.7.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 11:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> A good place to start would be to keep track of what people have been 
> reporting on this list for the last 3 weeks and to read the 
> information available on Applevis.com about iOS 14, it's been spelled 
> out many times what the major issues are.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> CJ & AA MAY
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 8:01 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> 
> 
> I haven t as yet upgraded to IOS 14. Rather than saying it sucks, 
> perhaps listers could say what is wrong with it so I can then decide whether 
> to upgrade or not?
> 
> Alison
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: 06 October 2020 15:56
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Some people always look at the cup as half empty and not half full and 
> to them everything sucks.
> 
> I must admit, however, that the focus issue in iOS 14 is extremely 
> annoying and in some cases causes huge accessibility issues.
> 
> I called Apple Accessibility this morning to ask about something and 
> the technician wanted to connect to my screen, he sent the request and 
> I tapped on Accept, but then a second screen came up where I had to 
> tap on "Agree" and it was not possible, Voiceover was stuck on 
> "Decline" and it was clicking and ju

RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[chaltain]

I also saw it this morning on the Apps Library screen.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Mich Verrier
> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 7:42 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> Hi all I just tried what was suggested and yes I see the focus ishu is really 
> bad for
> shure uder your apple id and meadiea and services vo just keeps repeating it's
> self when you swipe around. From Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: October 6, 2020 11:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> Yes, under your Apple Id it's pretty bad, also on the Today screen or whatever
> they call it nowadays I, for example, have a widget for my bank here in Canada
> which shows my balances and it's always just stuck on my business account and
> no amount of swiping or touching the screen elsewhere changes that.
> Another place where I run into it often is when trying to share a news 
> article or
> something like that, the actual share sheet is fine, but let's say the person 
> isn't in
> the initial short list of recent people, if I tap on Messages or WhatsApp to 
> share
> something the resulting screen which opens is inaccessible.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Alan Lemly
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 2:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> And if you want a glaring example of the focus issue, go to Settings, your 
> name,
> Media and Purchases and start swiping around.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2020 4:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> I've seen it on page 0, the page dedicated to widgets, so I don't think it's 
> just an
> issue with apps supporting IOS 14.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of
> > regina alvarado
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 2:28 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!
> >
> > I think that the focus issue is mostly in apps that have not been made
> > properly to work with iOS 14. I had problems with one or two pages of
> > the iOS, but where I m having a terrible time is on my bank. I only
> > have a Icon that takes me to my bank so I don t know if it s an app or
> > online, but it does have focus issues. If you flick to the right it
> > will take you back to the top no matter what you try to do. I can do
> > it by touch sometimes I touch into the middle of the page and then go
> > back and fix it. However, most of the problems are being worked out by
> people updating Their apps.
> >
> > Reggie Alvarado
> >
> > On Oct 6, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> >
> > ?That is right, and that is why,k I'm still on 13.7.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 11:04 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> >
> > A good place to start would be to keep track of what people have been
> > reporting on this list for the last 3 weeks and to read the
> > information available on Applevis.com about iOS 14, it's been spelled
> > out many times what the major issues are.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of
> > CJ & AA MAY
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 8:01 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> >
> >
> >
> > I haven t as yet upgraded to IOS 14. Rather than saying it sucks,
> > perhaps listers could say what is wrong with it so I can then decide 
> > whether to
> upgrade or not?
> >
> > Alison
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of
> > Sieghard Weitzel
> > Sent: 06 October 2020 15:56
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Some people always look at the cup as half empty and not half full and
> > to them everything sucks.
> >
> > I must admit, however, that

RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Mich Verrier]

Hi all I just tried what was suggested and yes I see the focus ishu is really 
bad for shure uder your apple id and meadiea and services vo just keeps 
repeating it's self when you swipe around. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: October 6, 2020 11:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

Yes, under your Apple Id it's pretty bad, also on the Today screen or whatever 
they call it nowadays I, for example, have a widget for my bank here in Canada 
which shows my balances and it's always just stuck on my business account and 
no amount of swiping or touching the screen elsewhere changes that.
Another place where I run into it often is when trying to share a news article 
or something like that, the actual share sheet is fine, but let's say the 
person isn't in the initial short list of recent people, if I tap on Messages 
or WhatsApp to share something the resulting screen which opens is inaccessible.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 2:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

And if you want a glaring example of the focus issue, go to Settings, your 
name, Media and Purchases and start swiping around.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2020 4:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

I've seen it on page 0, the page dedicated to widgets, so I don't think it's 
just an issue with apps supporting IOS 14.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> regina alvarado
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 2:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> I think that the focus issue is mostly in apps that have not been made 
> properly to work with iOS 14. I had problems with one or two pages of 
> the iOS, but where I m having a terrible time is on my bank. I only 
> have a Icon that takes me to my bank so I don t know if it s an app or 
> online, but it does have focus issues. If you flick to the right it 
> will take you back to the top no matter what you try to do. I can do 
> it by touch sometimes I touch into the middle of the page and then go 
> back and fix it. However, most of the problems are being worked out by people 
> updating Their apps.
> 
> Reggie Alvarado
> 
> On Oct 6, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> ?That is right, and that is why,k I'm still on 13.7.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 11:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> A good place to start would be to keep track of what people have been 
> reporting on this list for the last 3 weeks and to read the 
> information available on Applevis.com about iOS 14, it's been spelled 
> out many times what the major issues are.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> CJ & AA MAY
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 8:01 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> 
> 
> I haven t as yet upgraded to IOS 14. Rather than saying it sucks, 
> perhaps listers could say what is wrong with it so I can then decide whether 
> to upgrade or not?
> 
> Alison
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: 06 October 2020 15:56
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Some people always look at the cup as half empty and not half full and 
> to them everything sucks.
> 
> I must admit, however, that the focus issue in iOS 14 is extremely 
> annoying and in some cases causes huge accessibility issues.
> 
> I called Apple Accessibility this morning to ask about something and 
> the technician wanted to connect to my screen, he sent the request and 
> I tapped on Accept, but then a second screen came up where I had to 
> tap on "Agree" and it was not possible, Voiceover was stuck on 
> "Decline" and it was clicking and jumping around like crazy if I even 
> so much as touched the screen a bit and in the end the only very 
> non-accessible way to connect to Apple Accessibility was to turn 
> Voiceover off and for my wife to tap on the "Agree" button. Without sighted 
> help I could not have connected.
> 
> I asked the guy when they would finally fix this annoying issue (he 
> knew of course exactly what I wa

RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah we're all getting this focus issue 

We'll just have to give apple some time to sort it out,

And people have to remember that we may not be the only ones getting these 
issues happening in the new os versions,

 For all we know the sightlings might be having the same issues also.

If not they probably get other bugs occurring.

Cheers,

Simon F


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, 7 October 2020 4:54 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

Yes, under your Apple Id it's pretty bad, also on the Today screen or whatever 
they call it nowadays I, for example, have a widget for my bank here in Canada 
which shows my balances and it's always just stuck on my business account and 
no amount of swiping or touching the screen elsewhere changes that.
Another place where I run into it often is when trying to share a news article 
or something like that, the actual share sheet is fine, but let's say the 
person isn't in the initial short list of recent people, if I tap on Messages 
or WhatsApp to share something the resulting screen which opens is inaccessible.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 2:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

And if you want a glaring example of the focus issue, go to Settings, your 
name, Media and Purchases and start swiping around.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2020 4:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

I've seen it on page 0, the page dedicated to widgets, so I don't think it's 
just an issue with apps supporting IOS 14.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> regina alvarado
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 2:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> I think that the focus issue is mostly in apps that have not been made 
> properly to work with iOS 14. I had problems with one or two pages of 
> the iOS, but where I m having a terrible time is on my bank. I only 
> have a Icon that takes me to my bank so I don t know if it s an app or 
> online, but it does have focus issues. If you flick to the right it 
> will take you back to the top no matter what you try to do. I can do 
> it by touch sometimes I touch into the middle of the page and then go 
> back and fix it. However, most of the problems are being worked out by people 
> updating Their apps.
> 
> Reggie Alvarado
> 
> On Oct 6, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> ?That is right, and that is why,k I'm still on 13.7.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 11:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> A good place to start would be to keep track of what people have been 
> reporting on this list for the last 3 weeks and to read the 
> information available on Applevis.com about iOS 14, it's been spelled 
> out many times what the major issues are.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> CJ & AA MAY
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 8:01 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> 
> 
> I haven t as yet upgraded to IOS 14. Rather than saying it sucks, 
> perhaps listers could say what is wrong with it so I can then decide whether 
> to upgrade or not?
> 
> Alison
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: 06 October 2020 15:56
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Some people always look at the cup as half empty and not half full and 
> to them everything sucks.
> 
> I must admit, however, that the focus issue in iOS 14 is extremely 
> annoying and in some cases causes huge accessibility issues.
> 
> I called Apple Accessibility this morning to ask about something and 
> the technician wanted to connect to my screen, he sent the request and 
> I tapped on Accept, but then a second screen came up where I had to 
> tap on "Agree" and it was not possible, Voiceover was stuck on 
> "Decline" and it was clicking and jumping around like crazy if I even 
> so much as touched the screen a bit and in the end the only very 
> non-accessible way to connect to Apple Accessibility was to turn 
> Voiceover off and for my wife to tap on the "Agree" button. Without sighted 
> help

RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, under your Apple Id it's pretty bad, also on the Today screen or whatever 
they call it nowadays I, for example, have a widget for my bank here in Canada 
which shows my balances and it's always just stuck on my business account and 
no amount of swiping or touching the screen elsewhere changes that.
Another place where I run into it often is when trying to share a news article 
or something like that, the actual share sheet is fine, but let's say the 
person isn't in the initial short list of recent people, if I tap on Messages 
or WhatsApp to share something the resulting screen which opens is inaccessible.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 2:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

And if you want a glaring example of the focus issue, go to Settings, your 
name, Media and Purchases and start swiping around.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2020 4:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

I've seen it on page 0, the page dedicated to widgets, so I don't think it's 
just an issue with apps supporting IOS 14.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> regina alvarado
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 2:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> I think that the focus issue is mostly in apps that have not been made 
> properly to work with iOS 14. I had problems with one or two pages of 
> the iOS, but where I m having a terrible time is on my bank. I only 
> have a Icon that takes me to my bank so I don t know if it s an app or 
> online, but it does have focus issues. If you flick to the right it 
> will take you back to the top no matter what you try to do. I can do 
> it by touch sometimes I touch into the middle of the page and then go 
> back and fix it. However, most of the problems are being worked out by people 
> updating Their apps.
> 
> Reggie Alvarado
> 
> On Oct 6, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> ?That is right, and that is why,k I'm still on 13.7.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 11:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> A good place to start would be to keep track of what people have been 
> reporting on this list for the last 3 weeks and to read the 
> information available on Applevis.com about iOS 14, it's been spelled 
> out many times what the major issues are.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> CJ & AA MAY
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 8:01 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> 
> 
> I haven t as yet upgraded to IOS 14. Rather than saying it sucks, 
> perhaps listers could say what is wrong with it so I can then decide whether 
> to upgrade or not?
> 
> Alison
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: 06 October 2020 15:56
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Some people always look at the cup as half empty and not half full and 
> to them everything sucks.
> 
> I must admit, however, that the focus issue in iOS 14 is extremely 
> annoying and in some cases causes huge accessibility issues.
> 
> I called Apple Accessibility this morning to ask about something and 
> the technician wanted to connect to my screen, he sent the request and 
> I tapped on Accept, but then a second screen came up where I had to 
> tap on "Agree" and it was not possible, Voiceover was stuck on 
> "Decline" and it was clicking and jumping around like crazy if I even 
> so much as touched the screen a bit and in the end the only very 
> non-accessible way to connect to Apple Accessibility was to turn 
> Voiceover off and for my wife to tap on the "Agree" button. Without sighted 
> help I could not have connected.
> 
> I asked the guy when they would finally fix this annoying issue (he 
> knew of course exactly what I was talking about) and he said "very 
> soon". Of course I hear from 14.2 beta testers that in the most recent 
> beta this apparently has not yet been fixed and for the public we aren't even 
> on iOS 14.1 let alone 14.2.
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf 

Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[regina alvarado]

No argument with you on that one. I think I did say that I had seen it in 
settings and a couple of other places in the actual operating system. However, 
most of the places that I see yet are in apps. In fact, when I wrote to Apple 
about this they asked me for the apps that I was having problems with. I never 
answered them because I was afraid they would just tell me that the apps needed 
to be updated. The problem is not just the apps.

Reggie Alvarado 

On Oct 6, 2020, at 7:42 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:

Hello everyone I generally do not yet the latest version of iOS when it comes 
out. I wait for later releases. I keep my updates on manual so that I can 
decide when I want to update. I doing this I’ve been able to stay out of places 
of iOS that had lots of problems.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 6, 2020, at 6:24 PM, Lisa P. Geibel  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've been seeing this subject and ignoring it, but since I agree and have 
> some issues with it myself, thought I'd chime in on how my Husband I think 
> IOS14 sucks in case there's a fix for them.
> 
> The first thing we hate about it, I don't think can be fixed as I remember 
> seeing that this may be taken away is that whenever a notification comes in, 
> it no longer announces the time like it used to. Oh well, Apple you suck and 
> should give us the option to have that turned on or off for those that hated 
> it.
> 
> The next thing is that I don't know if any of you have noticed this or not, 
> but some notifications come in and it doesn't read the entire notification, 
> but ends with a button and there's no way that we've found to click on this 
> and read the whole notification. Anyone else notice this and know of a way to 
> read the whole notification? Does anyone know the character limit for 
> notifications since it does read the entire one sometimes and we're guessing 
> that's the issue? Thanks and any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone I generally do not yet the latest version of iOS when it comes 
out. I wait for later releases. I keep my updates on manual so that I can 
decide when I want to update. I doing this I’ve been able to stay out of places 
of iOS that had lots of problems.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 6, 2020, at 6:24 PM, Lisa P. Geibel  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've been seeing this subject and ignoring it, but since I agree and have 
> some issues with it myself, thought I'd chime in on how my Husband I think 
> IOS14 sucks in case there's a fix for them.
> 
> The first thing we hate about it, I don't think can be fixed as I remember 
> seeing that this may be taken away is that whenever a notification comes in, 
> it no longer announces the time like it used to. Oh well, Apple you suck and 
> should give us the option to have that turned on or off for those that hated 
> it.
> 
> The next thing is that I don't know if any of you have noticed this or not, 
> but some notifications come in and it doesn't read the entire notification, 
> but ends with a button and there's no way that we've found to click on this 
> and read the whole notification. Anyone else notice this and know of a way to 
> read the whole notification? Does anyone know the character limit for 
> notifications since it does read the entire one sometimes and we're guessing 
> that's the issue? Thanks and any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Lisa P. Geibel]

Hi,

I've been seeing this subject and ignoring it, but since I agree and 
have some issues with it myself, thought I'd chime in on how my Husband 
I think IOS14 sucks in case there's a fix for them.


The first thing we hate about it, I don't think can be fixed as I 
remember seeing that this may be taken away is that whenever a 
notification comes in, it no longer announces the time like it used to. 
Oh well, Apple you suck and should give us the option to have that 
turned on or off for those that hated it.


The next thing is that I don't know if any of you have noticed this or 
not, but some notifications come in and it doesn't read the entire 
notification, but ends with a button and there's no way that we've found 
to click on this and read the whole notification. Anyone else notice 
this and know of a way to read the whole notification? Does anyone know 
the character limit for notifications since it does read the entire one 
sometimes and we're guessing that's the issue? Thanks and any help would 
be greatly appreciated.


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RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Simon A Fogarty]

Reggie,

 Not true,

 This is happening in features of the apple IOS 14 platform also.

 It's  aknown issue and apple are working on it.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Wednesday, 7 October 2020 8:28 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

I think that the focus issue is mostly in apps that have not been made properly 
to work with iOS 14. I had problems with one or two pages of the iOS, but where 
I’m having a terrible time is on my bank. I only have a Icon that takes me to 
my bank so I don’t know if it’s an app or online, but it does have focus 
issues. If you flick to the right it will take you back to the top no matter 
what you try to do. I can do it by touch sometimes I touch into the middle of 
the page and then go back and fix it. However, most of the problems are being 
worked out by people updating Their apps. 

Reggie Alvarado 

On Oct 6, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

That is right, and that is why,k I'm still on 13.7. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 11:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

A good place to start would be to keep track of what people have been reporting 
on this list for the last 3 weeks and to read the information available on 
Applevis.com about iOS 14, it's been spelled out many times what the major 
issues are.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & AA 
MAY
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 8:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!



I haven’t as yet upgraded to IOS 14. Rather than saying it sucks, perhaps 
listers could say what is wrong with it so I can then decide whether to upgrade 
or not?

Alison





From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: 06 October 2020 15:56
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!





Some people always look at the cup as half empty and not half full and to them 
everything sucks.

I must admit, however, that the focus issue in iOS 14 is extremely annoying and 
in some cases causes huge accessibility issues.

I called Apple Accessibility this morning to ask about something and the 
technician wanted to connect to my screen, he sent the request and I tapped on 
Accept, but then a second screen came up where I had to tap on "Agree" and it 
was not possible, Voiceover was stuck on "Decline" and it was clicking and 
jumping around like crazy if I even so much as touched the screen a bit and in 
the end the only very non-accessible way to connect to Apple Accessibility was 
to turn Voiceover off and for my wife to tap on the "Agree" button. Without 
sighted help I could not have connected.

I asked the guy when they would finally fix this annoying issue (he knew of 
course exactly what I was talking about) and he said "very soon". Of course I 
hear from 14.2 beta testers that in the most recent beta this apparently has 
not yet been fixed and for the public we aren't even on iOS 14.1 let alone 14.2.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 7:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!



Well, I respectivly disagree. I am sharing my perspective as a long time iOS 
beta tester. iOS 14 is different but it deenatly does not suck. Sure, iOS 
10 had its share of bugs in the early beta(s), but it got better. iOS 14 has 
bugs too, as do all software releases, the only way to fix that is reporting 
these bugs to Apple. It is insulting to me as a beta tester to here, “iOS 14 
sucks,” the hard work I did reporting bugs to apple, only to find a sonic like 
you to complain and use insulting language. Update or not, that is your 
prerogative, but to come on a public list and read these thoughts, well, I say 
to you, since you think iOS 14 sucks, beta test 14.2. why do you think this 
anyway?

Daniel





   On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:



   I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see why 
people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the current 
year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
   

   Devin Prater

   sent from Gmail.





   On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
mailto:jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com> > wrote:

   Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.



   One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I 
want to have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me leave 
Wi-Fi turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet or email 
away

RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Simon A Fogarty]

In that case try going to the bottom of the screen by touching the bottom 
somewhere and then work backwards.

I’m sure they will fix this focus issue in updates to come out soon,

Take my word on this.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, 7 October 2020 3:56 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!


Some people always look at the cup as half empty and not half full and to them 
everything sucks.
I must admit, however, that the focus issue in iOS 14 is extremely annoying and 
in some cases causes huge accessibility issues.
I called Apple Accessibility this morning to ask about something and the 
technician wanted to connect to my screen, he sent the request and I tapped on 
Accept, but then a second screen came up where I had to tap on "Agree" and it 
was not possible, Voiceover was stuck on "Decline" and it was clicking and 
jumping around like crazy if I even so much as touched the screen a bit and in 
the end the only very non-accessible way to connect to Apple Accessibility was 
to turn Voiceover off and for my wife to tap on the "Agree" button. Without 
sighted help I could not have connected.
I asked the guy when they would finally fix this annoying issue (he knew of 
course exactly what I was talking about) and he said "very soon". Of course I 
hear from 14.2 beta testers that in the most recent beta this apparently has 
not yet been fixed and for the public we aren't even on iOS 14.1 let alone 14.2.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Daniel 
MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 7:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

Well, I respectivly disagree. I am sharing my perspective as a long time iOS 
beta tester. iOS 14 is different but it deenatly does not suck. Sure, iOS 
10 had its share of bugs in the early beta(s), but it got better. iOS 14 has 
bugs too, as do all software releases, the only way to fix that is reporting 
these bugs to Apple. It is insulting to me as a beta tester to here, “iOS 14 
sucks,” the hard work I did reporting bugs to apple, only to find a sonic like 
you to complain and use insulting language. Update or not, that is your 
prerogative, but to come on a public list and read these thoughts, well, I say 
to you, since you think iOS 14 sucks, beta test 14.2. why do you think this 
anyway?
Daniel


On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Devin Prater 
mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see why 
people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the current 
year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
mailto:jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com>>
 wrote:
Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.

One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I want to 
have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me leave Wi-Fi 
turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet or email away 
from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi on for calls and texting too. 
Just putting all the questions out there

Thanks for your prompt attention!

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Simon A Fogarty]

Or sorry to say it,

If you don’t like bugs in your software,

Get away from computing and technology,

Even tv firmware has bugs,

Jus tbecause you don’t see it or have it jumping out at you doesn’t mean the 
bugs aren’t there.

It’s a fact of software life,
If there were no bugs there would be no updates and the world would be perfect.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Lumpkin
Sent: Wednesday, 7 October 2020 3:51 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

I’m getting alittle tired of this too. People jump on the first release of an 
IOS and then whine when there are bugs. If you want more stable versions of 
ios, wait till it gets more stable. I plan on going to IOS 14 in maybe March or 
April.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 9:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

Also we have to always remember that us as blind consumers for apple reperzent 
like maybe 1 percent of there market and let’s not forget that apple’s main job 
is to make money. It is all well and good to say yes state this or that to 
apple and hope that they fix it but there is no garintee that they will or even 
lissen to us just look at the genral reply you get when you file things with 
them who knows weather they even bauther to read what there users say or maybe 
it is just like politix and the reports just get stuck some where collecting 
dust on some demacrats desk. As I said we are a verry nitch market for shure. I 
for one wish that there was something as softwhere with no bugs but that is 
impossible mainly because there are to many coads to go through to make that 
happen. And yes it is frustrateing that they will make something work in one 
version and then screw it up in the next version jmo but if it works then don’t 
fix it. From Mich.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Malcolm Parfitt
Sent: October 6, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

Perhaps if people commented more constructively their opinion would be taken 
more seriously.

What on earth IOS sucks is supposed to mean is beyond me!
Malcolm Parfitt

On 6 Oct 2020, at 15:35, Gerardo Corripio 
mailto:gera1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Just appreciate every day that we’ve talking phones, without needing to, as 
before, buy separtely a Talks or Mobile Accessibility license. Remember too 
that software is software, thus it’s very important to have more Beta testers, 
but overall, for Apple to take more into account feedback from those who Beta 
test. And as an afterthought, doesn’t Apple have blind folks among its staff, 
to test VoiceOver for bugs?
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 6 oct 2020, a la(s) 8:08 a.m., Devin Prater 
mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> escribió:

I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see why 
people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the current 
year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
mailto:jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com>>
 wrote:
Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.

One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I want to 
have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me leave Wi-Fi 
turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet or email away 
from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi on for calls and texting too. 
Just putting all the questions out there

Thanks for your prompt attention!

Sent from my iPhone
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RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Simon A Fogarty]

It’s a new apple  vacume cleaner,
They’re calling the Os for it 14 sucks.

I’d suggest rather than these comments people put the feed back app in the 
betas to good use and tell apple of the issues rather than just bitch about 
them on an email list.

I have troubles with the IOS version but feedback helps cure those ills.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Malcolm 
Parfitt
Sent: Wednesday, 7 October 2020 3:41 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

Perhaps if people commented more constructively their opinion would be taken 
more seriously.

What on earth IOS sucks is supposed to mean is beyond me!
Malcolm Parfitt


On 6 Oct 2020, at 15:35, Gerardo Corripio 
mailto:gera1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Just appreciate every day that we’ve talking phones, without needing to, as 
before, buy separtely a Talks or Mobile Accessibility license. Remember too 
that software is software, thus it’s very important to have more Beta testers, 
but overall, for Apple to take more into account feedback from those who Beta 
test. And as an afterthought, doesn’t Apple have blind folks among its staff, 
to test VoiceOver for bugs?
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel


El 6 oct 2020, a la(s) 8:08 a.m., Devin Prater 
mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> escribió:

I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see why 
people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the current 
year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


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mailto:jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com>>
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Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.

One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I want to 
have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me leave Wi-Fi 
turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet or email away 
from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi on for calls and texting too. 
Just putting all the questions out there

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RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yes they have blind staff and I know one  of them is seemingly a developer


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Devin 
Prater
Sent: Wednesday, 7 October 2020 3:39 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

Of course they have, at least one totally blind person working there, maybe 
two. But they're working there to build the stuff, I think. I don't know what 
they exactly do, but they seem to depend on us a good deal for testing.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 9:35 AM Gerardo Corripio 
mailto:gera1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Just appreciate every day that we’ve talking phones, without needing to, as 
before, buy separtely a Talks or Mobile Accessibility license. Remember too 
that software is software, thus it’s very important to have more Beta testers, 
but overall, for Apple to take more into account feedback from those who Beta 
test. And as an afterthought, doesn’t Apple have blind folks among its staff, 
to test VoiceOver for bugs?
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel


El 6 oct 2020, a la(s) 8:08 a.m., Devin Prater 
mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> escribió:

I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see why 
people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the current 
year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
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One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I want to 
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Just putting all the questions out there

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RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Simon A Fogarty]

I’ve got a vacume cleaner,
It sucks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Devin 
Prater
Sent: Wednesday, 7 October 2020 3:30 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

As you probably know, as I'm on the Public Beta User's list, I tested 14 too. I 
said in my email something like "You know, 14 sucks, 13 sucked, 12 sucked..." 
meaning people's perception of it, because that's what this is. It doesn't 
really cuck, unless you have that focus issue, but people come up against these 
smaller bugs that they've not seen since 13 launched, or whatever, and they 
think it sucks because impressions.
Now, it is insulting to me as well when people say it sucks, because I Invested 
plenty into reporting braille issues and dealing with bugs much worse than the 
public have seen. Believe me. But these are users, and they have their 
perceptions.
Devin Prater
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On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 9:24 AM Daniel MacDonald 
mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
Well, I respectivly disagree. I am sharing my perspective as a long time iOS 
beta tester. iOS 14 is different but it deenatly does not suck. Sure, iOS 
10 had its share of bugs in the early beta(s), but it got better. iOS 14 has 
bugs too, as do all software releases, the only way to fix that is reporting 
these bugs to Apple. It is insulting to me as a beta tester to here, “iOS 14 
sucks,” the hard work I did reporting bugs to apple, only to find a sonic like 
you to complain and use insulting language. Update or not, that is your 
prerogative, but to come on a public list and read these thoughts, well, I say 
to you, since you think iOS 14 sucks, beta test 14.2. why do you think this 
anyway?
Daniel



On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Devin Prater 
mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see why 
people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the current 
year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
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Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.

One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I want to 
have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me leave Wi-Fi 
turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet or email away 
from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi on for calls and texting too. 
Just putting all the questions out there

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RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Simon A Fogarty]

You say all these operating systems sucked,

Why do you then keep coming back to apple products?

A way you could help make things better for everyone including yourself
Would be to get in to the Beta Testing programs an feedback to apple what you 
are finding wrong with the operating systems.

Just a thought!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Devin 
Prater
Sent: Wednesday, 7 October 2020 2:08 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see why 
people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the current 
year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
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Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.

One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I want to 
have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me leave Wi-Fi 
turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet or email away 
from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi on for calls and texting too. 
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RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Alan Lemly]

And if you want a glaring example of the focus issue, go to Settings, your 
name, Media and Purchases and start swiping around.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2020 4:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

I've seen it on page 0, the page dedicated to widgets, so I don't think it's 
just an issue with apps supporting IOS 14.

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Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> regina alvarado
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 2:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> I think that the focus issue is mostly in apps that have not been made 
> properly to work with iOS 14. I had problems with one or two pages of 
> the iOS, but where I m having a terrible time is on my bank. I only 
> have a Icon that takes me to my bank so I don t know if it s an app or 
> online, but it does have focus issues. If you flick to the right it 
> will take you back to the top no matter what you try to do. I can do 
> it by touch sometimes I touch into the middle of the page and then go 
> back and fix it. However, most of the problems are being worked out by people 
> updating Their apps.
> 
> Reggie Alvarado
> 
> On Oct 6, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> ?That is right, and that is why,k I'm still on 13.7.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 11:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> A good place to start would be to keep track of what people have been 
> reporting on this list for the last 3 weeks and to read the 
> information available on Applevis.com about iOS 14, it's been spelled 
> out many times what the major issues are.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> CJ & AA MAY
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 8:01 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> 
> 
> I haven t as yet upgraded to IOS 14. Rather than saying it sucks, 
> perhaps listers could say what is wrong with it so I can then decide whether 
> to upgrade or not?
> 
> Alison
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: 06 October 2020 15:56
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Some people always look at the cup as half empty and not half full and 
> to them everything sucks.
> 
> I must admit, however, that the focus issue in iOS 14 is extremely 
> annoying and in some cases causes huge accessibility issues.
> 
> I called Apple Accessibility this morning to ask about something and 
> the technician wanted to connect to my screen, he sent the request and 
> I tapped on Accept, but then a second screen came up where I had to 
> tap on "Agree" and it was not possible, Voiceover was stuck on 
> "Decline" and it was clicking and jumping around like crazy if I even 
> so much as touched the screen a bit and in the end the only very 
> non-accessible way to connect to Apple Accessibility was to turn 
> Voiceover off and for my wife to tap on the "Agree" button. Without sighted 
> help I could not have connected.
> 
> I asked the guy when they would finally fix this annoying issue (he 
> knew of course exactly what I was talking about) and he said "very 
> soon". Of course I hear from 14.2 beta testers that in the most recent 
> beta this apparently has not yet been fixed and for the public we aren't even 
> on iOS 14.1 let alone 14.2.
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf Of Daniel MacDonald
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 7:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> 
> 
> Well, I respectivly disagree. I am sharing my perspective as a long 
> time iOS beta tester. iOS 14 is different but it deenatly does not 
> suck. Sure, iOS 10 had its share of bugs in the early beta(s), but it 
> got better. iOS 14 has bugs too, as do all software releases, the only 
> way to fix that is reporting these bugs to Apple. It is insulting to 
> me as a beta tester to here,  iOS 14 sucks,  the hard work I did 
> reporting bugs to apple, only to find a sonic like you to complain and 
> use insulting language. Update or not, that is your prerogative, but 
> to come on 

RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[sherrywells1157]

Hmmm, aren't you breaching the non disclosure agreement by telling us what bugs 
you did not find?  You said below you were not allowed to tell anything about 
the betas.  So maybe Apple should come after you too?

Having said that, I commend you for what I know is hard work doing beta 
testing.  I think people do have legitimate gripes about what sounds like an 
awful voice over bug.  Bugs happen in spite of the best testing.  It is good to 
let those of us on the list who have not yet upgraded know what they are 
experiencing.  And of course it is important to report these things to Apple.

Sherry Wells

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Daniel 
MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 1:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

hello,

be a beta tester and stop wining about this focus issue. as a beta tester, I 
did not experience this issue you menchined with connecting to the support 
representative. even if I had, it would be a breech of my nondiscloser 
agreement. as a beta tester, nobody is allowed to tell people who are not 
either in the apple developer program, or in the apple beta software program, 
anything about these betas. whomever breeched the nondiscloser agreement to 
tell you changes to VoiceOver, I hope they get something done to them by Apple. 
Apple can sue, and I hope they consider this viable option. does anybody read 
the apple beta software agreement? I do, and take it exstreamly seriously, 
unlike the beta testwe who breeched it, to tell you something with VoiceOver 
has differed to the public release of iOS 14. if anybody violates their non 
discloser agreement, I hope you get what's coming to you from Apple. this list 
is for stable releeses only. of you want to beta test, and talk openly about 
beta releeses, their iss groupe on groups.io called public beta users.  its 
address is
publicbetausers+subscr...@groups.io. this grou;p it is a stipulation
you are a beta tester to be a member of it. they say so in the welcome message. 
they also say if you are not, or no longer, a public beta tester, to unscribe 
as it is a violation of Apple's Nondiscloser Agreement.
Daniel


On 10/6/20, Larry Lumpkin  wrote:
> I’m getting alittle tired of this too. People jump on the first 
> release of an IOS and then whine when there are bugs. If you want more 
> stable versions of ios, wait till it gets more stable. I plan on going 
> to IOS 14 in maybe March or April.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mich Verrier
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 9:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
>
>
>
> Also we have to always remember that us as blind consumers for apple 
> reperzent like maybe 1 percent of there market and let’s not forget 
> that apple’s main job is to make money. It is all well and good to say 
> yes state this or that to apple and hope that they fix it but there is 
> no garintee that they will or even lissen to us just look at the 
> genral reply you get when you file things with them who knows weather 
> they even bauther to read what there users say or maybe it is just 
> like politix and the reports just get stuck some where collecting dust 
> on some demacrats desk. As I said we are a verry nitch market for 
> shure. I for one wish that there was something as softwhere with no 
> bugs but that is impossible mainly because there are to many coads to 
> go through to make that happen. And yes it is frustrateing that they 
> will make something work in one version and then screw it up in the next 
> version jmo but if it works then don’t fix it. From Mich.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf Of Malcolm Parfitt
> Sent: October 6, 2020 10:41 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!
>
>
>
> Perhaps if people commented more constructively their opinion would be 
> taken more seriously.
>
>
>
> What on earth IOS sucks is supposed to mean is beyond me!
>
> Malcolm Parfitt
>
>
>
> On 6 Oct 2020, at 15:35, Gerardo Corripio  <mailto:gera1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Just appreciate every day that we’ve talking phones, without needing 
> to, as before, buy separtely a Talks or Mobile Accessibility license. 
> Remember too that software is software, thus it’s very important to 
> have more Beta testers, but overall, for Apple to take more into 
> account feedback from those who Beta test. And as an afterthought, 
> doesn’t Apple have blind folks among its staff, to test VoiceOver for bugs?
>
> Gera
>
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>
>
>
> El 6 oct 2020, a la(s) 8:08 a.m., De

RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[chaltain]

I agree that a statement like IOS 14 sucks isn’t very constructive, but just 
because Apple says they’re committed to accessibility doesn’t give them a free 
pass. They still need to be responsive to problems reported during and after 
beta. I pay just as much for an iPhone as a sighted person does, and 
accessibility is an advertised feature of the iPhone just like any other 
feature.

 

I also agree that Android is a viable option, and people should consider it for 
many reasons, including if anyone thinks it’s more stable then IOS 14 and 
VoiceOver. That doesn’t mean people should just be told to go use Android if 
they find an issue in IOS.

 

Bottom line is that IOS and VoiceOver won’t improve and issues won’t be 
addressed if they aren’t reported to Apple.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Daniel 
MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

 

That is sinnical thinking. Apple has publicly and exclusively told AppleVis 
users how they’re committeded to Accessibility. They are a wonderful company, 
and by that logic, Vispero’s primary job is to make money as well. Be great 
full Apple builds VoiceOver and their other assistive technologies for free. 
Right now, voice control is lacking at the present time, but it will get better 
over time. I am optimistic it will work with VoiceOver in future. Zoom, in iOS, 
did not work with VoiceOver. They fix it in iOS 6. To say that Apple’s primary 
purpose is to make money, true of all companies, I just hope you’re happy with 
JAWS, stop complaining and suck it up. So, you don’t like iOS 14, what is it 
about it you do not like? Android 11 has come quite far, instead of wining 
about it, give Android a shot. At least you no longer have a list on that 
subject and your support is very pore compared to Apple, primarily web based, 
and through be my eyes, so stop complaining about apple and use android, and 
since you hate apple so much, use Android and forget about putting down apple, 
it just does not get any useful things done.

Daniel

 





On Oct 6, 2020, at 11:46 AM, Mich Verrier mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca> > wrote:

 

Also we have to always remember that us as blind consumers for apple reperzent 
like maybe 1 percent of there market and let’s not forget that apple’s main job 
is to make money. It is all well and good to say yes state this or that to 
apple and hope that they fix it but there is no garintee that they will or even 
lissen to us just look at the genral reply you get when you file things with 
them who knows weather they even bauther to read what there users say or maybe 
it is just like politix and the reports just get stuck some where collecting 
dust on some demacrats desk. As I said we are a verry nitch market for shure. I 
for one wish that there was something as softwhere with no bugs but that is 
impossible mainly because there are to many coads to go through to make that 
happen. And yes it is frustrateing that they will make something work in one 
version and then screw it up in the next version jmo but if it works then don’t 
fix it. From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Malcolm Parfitt
Sent: October 6, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

 

Perhaps if people commented more constructively their opinion would be taken 
more seriously.

 

What on earth IOS sucks is supposed to mean is beyond me!

Malcolm Parfitt






On 6 Oct 2020, at 15:35, Gerardo Corripio mailto:gera1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Just appreciate every day that we’ve talking phones, without needing to, as 
before, buy separtely a Talks or Mobile Accessibility license. Remember too 
that software is software, thus it’s very important to have more Beta testers, 
but overall, for Apple to take more into account feedback from those who Beta 
test. And as an afterthought, doesn’t Apple have blind folks among its staff, 
to test VoiceOver for bugs?

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel






El 6 oct 2020, a la(s) 8:08 a.m., Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > escribió:



I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see why 
people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the current 
year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.


Devin Prater

sent from Gmail.

 

 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
mailto:jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.

 

One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I want to 
have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me leave Wi-Fi 
turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet or email away 
from ho

RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[chaltain]

I've seen it on page 0, the page dedicated to widgets, so I don't think it's 
just an issue with apps supporting IOS 14.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of regina alvarado
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 2:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> I think that the focus issue is mostly in apps that have not been made 
> properly to
> work with iOS 14. I had problems with one or two pages of the iOS, but where
> I’m having a terrible time is on my bank. I only have a Icon that takes me to 
> my
> bank so I don’t know if it’s an app or online, but it does have focus issues. 
> If you
> flick to the right it will take you back to the top no matter what you try to 
> do. I
> can do it by touch sometimes I touch into the middle of the page and then go
> back and fix it. However, most of the problems are being worked out by people
> updating Their apps.
> 
> Reggie Alvarado
> 
> On Oct 6, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> That is right, and that is why,k I'm still on 13.7.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 11:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> A good place to start would be to keep track of what people have been
> reporting on this list for the last 3 weeks and to read the information 
> available
> on Applevis.com about iOS 14, it's been spelled out many times what the major
> issues are.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of CJ & AA MAY
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 8:01 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> 
> 
> I haven’t as yet upgraded to IOS 14. Rather than saying it sucks, perhaps 
> listers
> could say what is wrong with it so I can then decide whether to upgrade or 
> not?
> 
> Alison
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: 06 October 2020 15:56
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Some people always look at the cup as half empty and not half full and to them
> everything sucks.
> 
> I must admit, however, that the focus issue in iOS 14 is extremely annoying 
> and
> in some cases causes huge accessibility issues.
> 
> I called Apple Accessibility this morning to ask about something and the
> technician wanted to connect to my screen, he sent the request and I tapped on
> Accept, but then a second screen came up where I had to tap on "Agree" and it
> was not possible, Voiceover was stuck on "Decline" and it was clicking and
> jumping around like crazy if I even so much as touched the screen a bit and 
> in the
> end the only very non-accessible way to connect to Apple Accessibility was to
> turn Voiceover off and for my wife to tap on the "Agree" button. Without
> sighted help I could not have connected.
> 
> I asked the guy when they would finally fix this annoying issue (he knew of
> course exactly what I was talking about) and he said "very soon". Of course I
> hear from 14.2 beta testers that in the most recent beta this apparently has 
> not
> yet been fixed and for the public we aren't even on iOS 14.1 let alone 14.2.
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On
> Behalf Of Daniel MacDonald
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 7:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!
> 
> 
> 
> Well, I respectivly disagree. I am sharing my perspective as a long time iOS 
> beta
> tester. iOS 14 is different but it deenatly does not suck. Sure, iOS 10 
> had its
> share of bugs in the early beta(s), but it got better. iOS 14 has bugs too, 
> as do all
> software releases, the only way to fix that is reporting these bugs to Apple. 
> It is
> insulting to me as a beta tester to here, “iOS 14 sucks,” the hard work I did
> reporting bugs to apple, only to find a sonic like you to complain and use
> insulting language. Update or not, that is your prerogative, but to come on a
> public list and read these thoughts, well, I say to you, since you think iOS 
> 14
> sucks, beta test 14.2. why do you think this anyway?
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Devin Prater  <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>I mean, iOS 13 sucked. 

Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Devin Prater]

I have focus issues when trying to verify my Google account in Safari in
Google Forms. I'll have to report that one, I can't share the ... well I
probably can share the link to the form to Apple accessibility but they
wouldn't have to verify their account or whatever. Yeah, sys-diagnose
should work fine for this.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 2:27 PM regina alvarado 
wrote:

> I think that the focus issue is mostly in apps that have not been made
> properly to work with iOS 14. I had problems with one or two pages of the
> iOS, but where I’m having a terrible time is on my bank. I only have a Icon
> that takes me to my bank so I don’t know if it’s an app or online, but it
> does have focus issues. If you flick to the right it will take you back to
> the top no matter what you try to do. I can do it by touch sometimes I
> touch into the middle of the page and then go back and fix it. However,
> most of the problems are being worked out by people updating Their apps.
>
> Reggie Alvarado
>
> On Oct 6, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> That is right, and that is why,k I'm still on 13.7.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 11:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
>
> A good place to start would be to keep track of what people have been
> reporting on this list for the last 3 weeks and to read the information
> available on Applevis.com about iOS 14, it's been spelled out many times
> what the major issues are.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ
> & AA MAY
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 8:01 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
>
>
>
> I haven’t as yet upgraded to IOS 14. Rather than saying it sucks, perhaps
> listers could say what is wrong with it so I can then decide whether to
> upgrade or not?
>
> Alison
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: 06 October 2020 15:56
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
>
>
>
>
>
> Some people always look at the cup as half empty and not half full and to
> them everything sucks.
>
> I must admit, however, that the focus issue in iOS 14 is extremely
> annoying and in some cases causes huge accessibility issues.
>
> I called Apple Accessibility this morning to ask about something and the
> technician wanted to connect to my screen, he sent the request and I tapped
> on Accept, but then a second screen came up where I had to tap on "Agree"
> and it was not possible, Voiceover was stuck on "Decline" and it was
> clicking and jumping around like crazy if I even so much as touched the
> screen a bit and in the end the only very non-accessible way to connect to
> Apple Accessibility was to turn Voiceover off and for my wife to tap on the
> "Agree" button. Without sighted help I could not have connected.
>
> I asked the guy when they would finally fix this annoying issue (he knew
> of course exactly what I was talking about) and he said "very soon". Of
> course I hear from 14.2 beta testers that in the most recent beta this
> apparently has not yet been fixed and for the public we aren't even on iOS
> 14.1 let alone 14.2.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  <
> viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Daniel MacDonald
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 7:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!
>
>
>
> Well, I respectivly disagree. I am sharing my perspective as a long time
> iOS beta tester. iOS 14 is different but it deenatly does not suck.
> Sure, iOS 10 had its share of bugs in the early beta(s), but it got better.
> iOS 14 has bugs too, as do all software releases, the only way to fix that
> is reporting these bugs to Apple. It is insulting to me as a beta tester to
> here, “iOS 14 sucks,” the hard work I did reporting bugs to apple, only to
> find a sonic like you to complain and use insulting language. Update or
> not, that is your prerogative, but to come on a public list and read these
> thoughts, well, I say to you, since you think iOS 14 sucks, beta test 14.2.
> why do you think this anyway?
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
>
>
>On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Devin Prater  <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
>
>I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to
> see why peopl

Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[regina alvarado]

I think that the focus issue is mostly in apps that have not been made properly 
to work with iOS 14. I had problems with one or two pages of the iOS, but where 
I’m having a terrible time is on my bank. I only have a Icon that takes me to 
my bank so I don’t know if it’s an app or online, but it does have focus 
issues. If you flick to the right it will take you back to the top no matter 
what you try to do. I can do it by touch sometimes I touch into the middle of 
the page and then go back and fix it. However, most of the problems are being 
worked out by people updating Their apps. 

Reggie Alvarado 

On Oct 6, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

That is right, and that is why,k I'm still on 13.7. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 11:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

A good place to start would be to keep track of what people have been reporting 
on this list for the last 3 weeks and to read the information available on 
Applevis.com about iOS 14, it's been spelled out many times what the major 
issues are.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & AA 
MAY
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 8:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!



I haven’t as yet upgraded to IOS 14. Rather than saying it sucks, perhaps 
listers could say what is wrong with it so I can then decide whether to upgrade 
or not?

Alison





From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: 06 October 2020 15:56
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!





Some people always look at the cup as half empty and not half full and to them 
everything sucks.

I must admit, however, that the focus issue in iOS 14 is extremely annoying and 
in some cases causes huge accessibility issues.

I called Apple Accessibility this morning to ask about something and the 
technician wanted to connect to my screen, he sent the request and I tapped on 
Accept, but then a second screen came up where I had to tap on "Agree" and it 
was not possible, Voiceover was stuck on "Decline" and it was clicking and 
jumping around like crazy if I even so much as touched the screen a bit and in 
the end the only very non-accessible way to connect to Apple Accessibility was 
to turn Voiceover off and for my wife to tap on the "Agree" button. Without 
sighted help I could not have connected.

I asked the guy when they would finally fix this annoying issue (he knew of 
course exactly what I was talking about) and he said "very soon". Of course I 
hear from 14.2 beta testers that in the most recent beta this apparently has 
not yet been fixed and for the public we aren't even on iOS 14.1 let alone 14.2.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 7:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!



Well, I respectivly disagree. I am sharing my perspective as a long time iOS 
beta tester. iOS 14 is different but it deenatly does not suck. Sure, iOS 
10 had its share of bugs in the early beta(s), but it got better. iOS 14 has 
bugs too, as do all software releases, the only way to fix that is reporting 
these bugs to Apple. It is insulting to me as a beta tester to here, “iOS 14 
sucks,” the hard work I did reporting bugs to apple, only to find a sonic like 
you to complain and use insulting language. Update or not, that is your 
prerogative, but to come on a public list and read these thoughts, well, I say 
to you, since you think iOS 14 sucks, beta test 14.2. why do you think this 
anyway?

Daniel





   On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:



   I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see why 
people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the current 
year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
   

   Devin Prater

   sent from Gmail.





   On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
mailto:jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com> > wrote:

   Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.



   One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I 
want to have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me leave 
Wi-Fi turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet or email 
away from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi on for calls and texting 
too. Just putting all the questions out there



   Thanks for your prompt attention!
   
   Sent from my iPhone



   -- 
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list.

RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Carolyn]

That is right, and that is why,k I'm still on 13.7. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 11:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

A good place to start would be to keep track of what people have been reporting 
on this list for the last 3 weeks and to read the information available on 
Applevis.com about iOS 14, it's been spelled out many times what the major 
issues are.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & AA 
MAY
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 8:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

 

I haven’t as yet upgraded to IOS 14. Rather than saying it sucks, perhaps 
listers could say what is wrong with it so I can then decide whether to upgrade 
or not?

Alison

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: 06 October 2020 15:56
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

 

 

Some people always look at the cup as half empty and not half full and to them 
everything sucks.

I must admit, however, that the focus issue in iOS 14 is extremely annoying and 
in some cases causes huge accessibility issues.

I called Apple Accessibility this morning to ask about something and the 
technician wanted to connect to my screen, he sent the request and I tapped on 
Accept, but then a second screen came up where I had to tap on "Agree" and it 
was not possible, Voiceover was stuck on "Decline" and it was clicking and 
jumping around like crazy if I even so much as touched the screen a bit and in 
the end the only very non-accessible way to connect to Apple Accessibility was 
to turn Voiceover off and for my wife to tap on the "Agree" button. Without 
sighted help I could not have connected.

I asked the guy when they would finally fix this annoying issue (he knew of 
course exactly what I was talking about) and he said "very soon". Of course I 
hear from 14.2 beta testers that in the most recent beta this apparently has 
not yet been fixed and for the public we aren't even on iOS 14.1 let alone 14.2.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 7:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

 

Well, I respectivly disagree. I am sharing my perspective as a long time iOS 
beta tester. iOS 14 is different but it deenatly does not suck. Sure, iOS 
10 had its share of bugs in the early beta(s), but it got better. iOS 14 has 
bugs too, as do all software releases, the only way to fix that is reporting 
these bugs to Apple. It is insulting to me as a beta tester to here, “iOS 14 
sucks,” the hard work I did reporting bugs to apple, only to find a sonic like 
you to complain and use insulting language. Update or not, that is your 
prerogative, but to come on a public list and read these thoughts, well, I say 
to you, since you think iOS 14 sucks, beta test 14.2. why do you think this 
anyway?

Daniel

 

 

On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to 
see why people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the 
current year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.


Devin Prater

sent from Gmail.

 

 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
mailto:jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.

 

One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean 
that all I want to have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always 
had me leave Wi-Fi turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the 
Internet or email away from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi on for 
calls and texting too. Just putting all the questions out there

 

Thanks for your prompt attention!

Sent from my iPhone

 

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RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Carolyn]

I have two sighted friends, who despise 14, keep telling me not to update, I 
say, well, I don't have automatic like you do, so I'm in charge. I'll see what 
happens with the next one. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

Well, I respectivly disagree. I am sharing my perspective as a long time iOS 
beta tester. iOS 14 is different but it deenatly does not suck. Sure, iOS 
10 had its share of bugs in the early beta(s), but it got better. iOS 14 has 
bugs too, as do all software releases, the only way to fix that is reporting 
these bugs to Apple. It is insulting to me as a beta tester to here, “iOS 14 
sucks,” the hard work I did reporting bugs to apple, only to find a sonic like 
you to complain and use insulting language. Update or not, that is your 
prerogative, but to come on a public list and read these thoughts, well, I say 
to you, since you think iOS 14 sucks, beta test 14.2. why do you think this 
anyway?
Daniel



On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to 
see why people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the 
current year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.

Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
mailto:jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com> > wrote:


Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.

One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean 
that all I want to have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always 
had me leave Wi-Fi turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the 
Internet or email away from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi on for 
calls and texting too. Just putting all the questions out there

Thanks for your prompt attention!

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RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Carolyn]

That is what I am hoping. 

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I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see why 
people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the current 
year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.

Devin Prater
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On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
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Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.

One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I 
want to have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me leave 
Wi-Fi turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet or email 
away from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi on for calls and texting 
too. Just putting all the questions out there

Thanks for your prompt attention!

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RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Carolyn]

Yeah, I would not be wanting to give that up. 

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Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

I’m not quite following your question, but wi-fi calling is when you want to 
make phone calls and exchange text messaging when you have a weak or no 
cellular connection. It won’t impact your ability to use data over wi-fi or 
cellular. If having it on is a problem, I suppose you could turn it off until 
you’re in a place with a poor or no cellular connection and then turn it on.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenny 
Bomareto
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 12:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iOS 14 sucks!!

 

Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.

 

One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I want to 
have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me leave Wi-Fi 
turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet or email away 
from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi on for calls and texting too. 
Just putting all the questions out there

 

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Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Daniel MacDonald]

hello,

be a beta tester and stop wining about this focus issue. as a beta
tester, I did not experience this issue you menchined with connecting
to the support representative. even if I had, it would be a breech of
my nondiscloser agreement. as a beta tester, nobody is allowed to tell
people who are not either in the apple developer program, or in the
apple beta software program, anything about these betas. whomever
breeched the nondiscloser agreement to tell you changes to VoiceOver,
I hope they get something done to them by Apple. Apple can sue, and I
hope they consider this viable option. does anybody read the apple
beta software agreement? I do, and take it exstreamly seriously,
unlike the beta testwe who breeched it, to tell you something with
VoiceOver has differed to the public release of iOS 14. if anybody
violates their non discloser agreement, I hope you get what's coming
to you from Apple. this list is for stable releeses only. of you want
to beta test, and talk openly about beta releeses, their iss groupe on
groups.io called public beta users.  its address is
publicbetausers+subscr...@groups.io. this grou;p it is a stipulation
you are a beta tester to be a member of it. they say so in the welcome
message. they also say if you are not, or no longer, a public beta
tester, to unscribe as it is a violation of Apple's Nondiscloser
Agreement.
Daniel


On 10/6/20, Larry Lumpkin  wrote:
> I’m getting alittle tired of this too. People jump on the first release of
> an IOS and then whine when there are bugs. If you want more stable versions
> of ios, wait till it gets more stable. I plan on going to IOS 14 in maybe
> March or April.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich
> Verrier
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 9:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
>
>
>
> Also we have to always remember that us as blind consumers for apple
> reperzent like maybe 1 percent of there market and let’s not forget that
> apple’s main job is to make money. It is all well and good to say yes state
> this or that to apple and hope that they fix it but there is no garintee
> that they will or even lissen to us just look at the genral reply you get
> when you file things with them who knows weather they even bauther to read
> what there users say or maybe it is just like politix and the reports just
> get stuck some where collecting dust on some demacrats desk. As I said we
> are a verry nitch market for shure. I for one wish that there was something
> as softwhere with no bugs but that is impossible mainly because there are to
> many coads to go through to make that happen. And yes it is frustrateing
> that they will make something work in one version and then screw it up in
> the next version jmo but if it works then don’t fix it. From Mich.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Malcolm Parfitt
> Sent: October 6, 2020 10:41 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!
>
>
>
> Perhaps if people commented more constructively their opinion would be taken
> more seriously.
>
>
>
> What on earth IOS sucks is supposed to mean is beyond me!
>
> Malcolm Parfitt
>
>
>
> On 6 Oct 2020, at 15:35, Gerardo Corripio  <mailto:gera1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Just appreciate every day that we’ve talking phones, without needing to, as
> before, buy separtely a Talks or Mobile Accessibility license. Remember too
> that software is software, thus it’s very important to have more Beta
> testers, but overall, for Apple to take more into account feedback from
> those who Beta test. And as an afterthought, doesn’t Apple have blind folks
> among its staff, to test VoiceOver for bugs?
>
> Gera
>
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>
>
>
> El 6 oct 2020, a la(s) 8:08 a.m., Devin Prater  <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > escribió:
>
> 
>
> I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see why
> people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the current
> year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
>
>
> Devin Prater
>
> sent from Gmail.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto
>  <mailto:jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.
>
>
>
> One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I want
> to have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me leave
> Wi-Fi turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet or
> email away from home I coul

Re: The date and time input methods in calendar iOS 14 sucks

[regina alvarado]

Contact Apple if it bothers you. Every time there is an update things are 
changed or improved or even broken, but Apple is not the only company that 
changes things with their programs. There are bugs and changes in every piece 
of software. If it bothers you that much contact Apple and tell them about it. 
There are other things much more a problem than a different way to use an app 
that still works perfectly fine with only a difference in how you put in dates 
and times. Also, you can use Siri to do calendar entries. 

Reggie Alvarado 

On Oct 4, 2020, at 8:24 PM, Daniel MacDonald  
wrote:

Their are a plethora of calendar apps. Busy cal, fantastical, and loads more. 
Fantastical is very accessible you should give it a look.

> On Oct 4, 2020, at 9:19 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> What about Siri 
> I just use her from my watch or phone.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of James 
> Lockwood
> Sent: Monday, 5 October 2020 1:19 pm
> To: IPhone Google Group 
> Subject: The date and time input methods in calendar iOS 14 sucks
> 
> I don’t know why Apple decides to change some thing that worked perfectly. 
> But there’s no longer a thicker for the date and time field. Does anyone know 
> of an application that allows you to add events to your calendar that still 
> does have the ticker up and down for time and date
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RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Sieghard,

Can you explain what you mean by the focus issue? There has been so much mail, 
I somehow missed it. I had terrible focus issues in Mail, where I spend most of 
my time in IOS 13, but I’m happy to report that I have gone back to mail as 
it’s really working well in IOS 14. Also, there was an issue for me in the 
Stocks app where I would swipe and hear the prior item rather than the one I 
should have moved to. I reported that one as well, and that seems to be 
resolved.

Best Regards,

 

Les

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

 

 

Some people always look at the cup as half empty and not half full and to them 
everything sucks.

I must admit, however, that the focus issue in iOS 14 is extremely annoying and 
in some cases causes huge accessibility issues.

I called Apple Accessibility this morning to ask about something and the 
technician wanted to connect to my screen, he sent the request and I tapped on 
Accept, but then a second screen came up where I had to tap on "Agree" and it 
was not possible, Voiceover was stuck on "Decline" and it was clicking and 
jumping around like crazy if I even so much as touched the screen a bit and in 
the end the only very non-accessible way to connect to Apple Accessibility was 
to turn Voiceover off and for my wife to tap on the "Agree" button. Without 
sighted help I could not have connected.

I asked the guy when they would finally fix this annoying issue (he knew of 
course exactly what I was talking about) and he said "very soon". Of course I 
hear from 14.2 beta testers that in the most recent beta this apparently has 
not yet been fixed and for the public we aren't even on iOS 14.1 let alone 14.2.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 7:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

 

Well, I respectivly disagree. I am sharing my perspective as a long time iOS 
beta tester. iOS 14 is different but it deenatly does not suck. Sure, iOS 
10 had its share of bugs in the early beta(s), but it got better. iOS 14 has 
bugs too, as do all software releases, the only way to fix that is reporting 
these bugs to Apple. It is insulting to me as a beta tester to here, “iOS 14 
sucks,” the hard work I did reporting bugs to apple, only to find a sonic like 
you to complain and use insulting language. Update or not, that is your 
prerogative, but to come on a public list and read these thoughts, well, I say 
to you, since you think iOS 14 sucks, beta test 14.2. why do you think this 
anyway?

Daniel

 

 

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I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see why 
people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the current 
year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.


Devin Prater

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On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
mailto:jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.

 

One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I want to 
have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me leave Wi-Fi 
turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet or email away 
from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi on for calls and texting too. 
Just putting all the questions out there

 

Thanks for your prompt attention!

Sent from my iPhone

 

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Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Øyvind Lode]

I'm running iOS 14.0.1 and I do not have this problem.
I use wifi calling as well and all works fine here on my XR.
The only issue I have on iOS 14 is the VO focus bug which is a bit annoying.
Apart from that iOS 14 is a pretty good release.
I always perform a factory reset of my phone when I have strange
issues going on and that always resolves most problems.
This time I performed a factory reset right after upgrading to iOS 14
just to clean up my phone and apps.
As I said all is running smooth on my XR.

On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 at 07:06, Donna Casteen  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Turn off wifi calling. I was having the problem that you described. Turning 
> off wifi calling fixed my problem.
>
> Donna
> Whenever I answer a call like I’m supposed to the call that’s calling does 
> not come through so I have to hang up and call back or like when I was 
> talking to someone a few minutes ago they kept saying hello and I heard them 
> just fine well she had to hang up on me because the phone is a PIA I’m sure 
> you know what that means. Any help I could get to fix this irritating problem 
> would be greatly appreciated!!
>
> Thanks for your prompt attention!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Daniel MacDonald]

That is sinnical thinking. Apple has publicly and exclusively told AppleVis 
users how they’re committeded to Accessibility. They are a wonderful company, 
and by that logic, Vispero’s primary job is to make money as well. Be great 
full Apple builds VoiceOver and their other assistive technologies for free. 
Right now, voice control is lacking at the present time, but it will get better 
over time. I am optimistic it will work with VoiceOver in future. Zoom, in iOS, 
did not work with VoiceOver. They fix it in iOS 6. To say that Apple’s primary 
purpose is to make money, true of all companies, I just hope you’re happy with 
JAWS, stop complaining and suck it up. So, you don’t like iOS 14, what is it 
about it you do not like? Android 11 has come quite far, instead of wining 
about it, give Android a shot. At least you no longer have a list on that 
subject and your support is very pore compared to Apple, primarily web based, 
and through be my eyes, so stop complaining about apple and use android, and 
since you hate apple so much, use Android and forget about putting down apple, 
it just does not get any useful things done.
Daniel


> On Oct 6, 2020, at 11:46 AM, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> 
> Also we have to always remember that us as blind consumers for apple 
> reperzent like maybe 1 percent of there market and let’s not forget that 
> apple’s main job is to make money. It is all well and good to say yes state 
> this or that to apple and hope that they fix it but there is no garintee that 
> they will or even lissen to us just look at the genral reply you get when you 
> file things with them who knows weather they even bauther to read what there 
> users say or maybe it is just like politix and the reports just get stuck 
> some where collecting dust on some demacrats desk. As I said we are a verry 
> nitch market for shure. I for one wish that there was something as softwhere 
> with no bugs but that is impossible mainly because there are to many coads to 
> go through to make that happen. And yes it is frustrateing that they will 
> make something work in one version and then screw it up in the next version 
> jmo but if it works then don’t fix it. From Mich.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> Sent: October 6, 2020 10:41 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!
>  
> Perhaps if people commented more constructively their opinion would be taken 
> more seriously.
>  
> What on earth IOS sucks is supposed to mean is beyond me!
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
> 
>> On 6 Oct 2020, at 15:35, Gerardo Corripio > <mailto:gera1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Just appreciate every day that we’ve talking phones, without needing to, as 
>> before, buy separtely a Talks or Mobile Accessibility license. Remember too 
>> that software is software, thus it’s very important to have more Beta 
>> testers, but overall, for Apple to take more into account feedback from 
>> those who Beta test. And as an afterthought, doesn’t Apple have blind folks 
>> among its staff, to test VoiceOver for bugs?
>> 
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>> 
>> 
>>> El 6 oct 2020, a la(s) 8:08 a.m., Devin Prater >> <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> escribió:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see 
>>> why people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the 
>>> current year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
>>> Devin Prater
>>> sent from Gmail.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
>>> >> <mailto:jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.
>>>>  
>>>> One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I 
>>>> want to have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me 
>>>> leave Wi-Fi turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the 
>>>> Internet or email away from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi 
>>>> on for calls and texting too. Just putting all the questions out there
>>>>  
>>>> Thanks for your prompt attention!
>>>> 
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Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Daniel MacDonald]

iOS 14 has many VoiceOver improvement(s). In the early betas, I went exploring 
in the accessibility settings. I could not say anything, because of the 
nondisclosure agreement, but since it’s out, image recognition is a game 
changerer. Their is an app here in Canada called COVID alert. It is full of 
images when first set up, and without iOS 14, I could not set it up. For phones 
which support it, it is great. For phones that do not, their are a plethora of 
features in iOS 14 you can get. Of course, the newer iPhones are always the 
ones to get all features of an iOS upgrade, and in my view, when my iPhone SE 
does not get all features of iOS in future software update(s) it is still a 
good phone. So, to the iOS 14 haiters, nobody forst you to upgrade, and since 
you hait iOS 14 anyway, it’s your own fault. The days of talks and Mobilespeek 
predate me, but now screen reading, has became mainstream. The next heertal is 
to get it mainstream on the windows platform. JAWS is way to expensive for most 
people to afford, and its $350 biannually software maintenance agreements, 
barbaric in my view. I tell you, if the conspect reached the cited market, 
companies would be out of business! So stay true to VoiceOver, it’s miles 
better than the cituation in Windows. Microsoft, they always say accessibility 
is important to them, they develop Narrator at an ridiculously slow pace, and 
if they’re actually serious, they would divert resources away from visual icons 
to accessibility. I mean, VoiceOver on the Mac, everyone from what I’m told, 
hated VoiceOver in Tiger. In Leopard, it was given a major overhaul. Snow 
leopard , even more so. So be great full a mainstream company are not just all 
talk and Apple, are actually action.
Daniel


> On Oct 6, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Well, I can tell you that iOS 14 has resolved tuition is that I feel are very 
> important. One is the fact that I can use the Mail app again. The focus 
> issues appear to have been resolved. That’s a major improvement. I also use 
> Bluetooth hearing aids which is why I upgraded to iOS 14 in the first place. 
> It was an issue or voiceover wasn’t giving up the use of the A’s and anything 
> I listen to including people I will talk to you would not have normal sound 
> for about two minutes. Now, it only takes a few seconds for that to come 
> back. So in my view, these are two major improvements making it worth the 
> upgrade. I have concerns about upgrading based on what I heard before, but 
> when I heard about the hearing aids, I thought what that was too important to 
> pass up. I am glad that I upgraded.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:24 AM, Daniel MacDonald 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I respectivly disagree. I am sharing my perspective as a long time 
>> iOS beta tester. iOS 14 is different but it deenatly does not suck. 
>> Sure, iOS 10 had its share of bugs in the early beta(s), but it got better. 
>> iOS 14 has bugs too, as do all software releases, the only way to fix that 
>> is reporting these bugs to Apple. It is insulting to me as a beta tester to 
>> here, “iOS 14 sucks,” the hard work I did reporting bugs to apple, only to 
>> find a sonic like you to complain and use insulting language. Update or not, 
>> that is your prerogative, but to come on a public list and read these 
>> thoughts, well, I say to you, since you think iOS 14 sucks, beta test 14.2. 
>> why do you think this anyway?
>> Daniel
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Devin Prater >> <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see 
>>> why people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the 
>>> current year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
>>> Devin Prater
>>> sent from Gmail.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
>>> >> <mailto:jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.
>>> 
>>> One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I want 
>>> to have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me leave 
>>> Wi-Fi turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet or 
>>> email away from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi on for calls 
>>> and texting too. Just putting all the questions out there
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your prompt attention!
>>> 
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RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

A good place to start would be to keep track of what people have been reporting 
on this list for the last 3 weeks and to read the information available on 
Applevis.com about iOS 14, it's been spelled out many times what the major 
issues are.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & AA 
MAY
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 8:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

I haven’t as yet upgraded to IOS 14. Rather than saying it sucks, perhaps 
listers could say what is wrong with it so I can then decide whether to upgrade 
or not?
Alison


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: 06 October 2020 15:56
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!


Some people always look at the cup as half empty and not half full and to them 
everything sucks.
I must admit, however, that the focus issue in iOS 14 is extremely annoying and 
in some cases causes huge accessibility issues.
I called Apple Accessibility this morning to ask about something and the 
technician wanted to connect to my screen, he sent the request and I tapped on 
Accept, but then a second screen came up where I had to tap on "Agree" and it 
was not possible, Voiceover was stuck on "Decline" and it was clicking and 
jumping around like crazy if I even so much as touched the screen a bit and in 
the end the only very non-accessible way to connect to Apple Accessibility was 
to turn Voiceover off and for my wife to tap on the "Agree" button. Without 
sighted help I could not have connected.
I asked the guy when they would finally fix this annoying issue (he knew of 
course exactly what I was talking about) and he said "very soon". Of course I 
hear from 14.2 beta testers that in the most recent beta this apparently has 
not yet been fixed and for the public we aren't even on iOS 14.1 let alone 14.2.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Daniel 
MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 7:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

Well, I respectivly disagree. I am sharing my perspective as a long time iOS 
beta tester. iOS 14 is different but it deenatly does not suck. Sure, iOS 
10 had its share of bugs in the early beta(s), but it got better. iOS 14 has 
bugs too, as do all software releases, the only way to fix that is reporting 
these bugs to Apple. It is insulting to me as a beta tester to here, “iOS 14 
sucks,” the hard work I did reporting bugs to apple, only to find a sonic like 
you to complain and use insulting language. Update or not, that is your 
prerogative, but to come on a public list and read these thoughts, well, I say 
to you, since you think iOS 14 sucks, beta test 14.2. why do you think this 
anyway?
Daniel


On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Devin Prater 
mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see why 
people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the current 
year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
mailto:jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com>>
 wrote:
Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.

One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I want to 
have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me leave Wi-Fi 
turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet or email away 
from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi on for calls and texting too. 
Just putting all the questions out there

Thanks for your prompt attention!

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

We are a tiny percentage, 1% is much too high, but to use this as justification 
is flawed, Apple "chose" to make iOS and iDevices accessible so the 
responsibility is on them to do their best to accomplish this. I am by far not 
one who bashes Apple without good reason and I understand no software is 
perfect, but I think sometimes they do take their sweet time fixing something 
pretty major like this focus issue in iOS 14.
To say we are just a tiny market and we can't expect it to be perfect would be 
like saying audible street crossings if they are broken should not get fixed 
within hours or maybe a day or two after it's reported simply because there 
might only be 1 blind person crossing that intersection once a month so it's OK 
for the maintenance guys to ignore it for 3 weeks.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 7:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

Also we have to always remember that us as blind consumers for apple reperzent 
like maybe 1 percent of there market and let’s not forget that apple’s main job 
is to make money. It is all well and good to say yes state this or that to 
apple and hope that they fix it but there is no garintee that they will or even 
lissen to us just look at the genral reply you get when you file things with 
them who knows weather they even bauther to read what there users say or maybe 
it is just like politix and the reports just get stuck some where collecting 
dust on some demacrats desk. As I said we are a verry nitch market for shure. I 
for one wish that there was something as softwhere with no bugs but that is 
impossible mainly because there are to many coads to go through to make that 
happen. And yes it is frustrateing that they will make something work in one 
version and then screw it up in the next version jmo but if it works then don’t 
fix it. From Mich.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Malcolm 
Parfitt
Sent: October 6, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

Perhaps if people commented more constructively their opinion would be taken 
more seriously.

What on earth IOS sucks is supposed to mean is beyond me!
Malcolm Parfitt

On 6 Oct 2020, at 15:35, Gerardo Corripio 
mailto:gera1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Just appreciate every day that we’ve talking phones, without needing to, as 
before, buy separtely a Talks or Mobile Accessibility license. Remember too 
that software is software, thus it’s very important to have more Beta testers, 
but overall, for Apple to take more into account feedback from those who Beta 
test. And as an afterthought, doesn’t Apple have blind folks among its staff, 
to test VoiceOver for bugs?
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 6 oct 2020, a la(s) 8:08 a.m., Devin Prater 
mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> escribió:

I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see why 
people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the current 
year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
mailto:jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com>>
 wrote:
Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.

One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I want to 
have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me leave Wi-Fi 
turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet or email away 
from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi on for calls and texting too. 
Just putting all the questions out there

Thanks for your prompt attention!

Sent from my iPhone
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RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[CJ & AA MAY]

I haven’t as yet upgraded to IOS 14. Rather than saying it sucks, perhaps 
listers could say what is wrong with it so I can then decide whether to upgrade 
or not?

Alison

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: 06 October 2020 15:56
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

 

 

Some people always look at the cup as half empty and not half full and to them 
everything sucks.

I must admit, however, that the focus issue in iOS 14 is extremely annoying and 
in some cases causes huge accessibility issues.

I called Apple Accessibility this morning to ask about something and the 
technician wanted to connect to my screen, he sent the request and I tapped on 
Accept, but then a second screen came up where I had to tap on "Agree" and it 
was not possible, Voiceover was stuck on "Decline" and it was clicking and 
jumping around like crazy if I even so much as touched the screen a bit and in 
the end the only very non-accessible way to connect to Apple Accessibility was 
to turn Voiceover off and for my wife to tap on the "Agree" button. Without 
sighted help I could not have connected.

I asked the guy when they would finally fix this annoying issue (he knew of 
course exactly what I was talking about) and he said "very soon". Of course I 
hear from 14.2 beta testers that in the most recent beta this apparently has 
not yet been fixed and for the public we aren't even on iOS 14.1 let alone 14.2.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 7:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

 

Well, I respectivly disagree. I am sharing my perspective as a long time iOS 
beta tester. iOS 14 is different but it deenatly does not suck. Sure, iOS 
10 had its share of bugs in the early beta(s), but it got better. iOS 14 has 
bugs too, as do all software releases, the only way to fix that is reporting 
these bugs to Apple. It is insulting to me as a beta tester to here, “iOS 14 
sucks,” the hard work I did reporting bugs to apple, only to find a sonic like 
you to complain and use insulting language. Update or not, that is your 
prerogative, but to come on a public list and read these thoughts, well, I say 
to you, since you think iOS 14 sucks, beta test 14.2. why do you think this 
anyway?

Daniel

 

 

On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see why 
people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the current 
year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.


Devin Prater

sent from Gmail.

 

 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
mailto:jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.

 

One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I want to 
have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me leave Wi-Fi 
turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet or email away 
from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi on for calls and texting too. 
Just putting all the questions out there

 

Thanks for your prompt attention!

Sent from my iPhone

 

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RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Some people always look at the cup as half empty and not half full and to them 
everything sucks.
I must admit, however, that the focus issue in iOS 14 is extremely annoying and 
in some cases causes huge accessibility issues.
I called Apple Accessibility this morning to ask about something and the 
technician wanted to connect to my screen, he sent the request and I tapped on 
Accept, but then a second screen came up where I had to tap on "Agree" and it 
was not possible, Voiceover was stuck on "Decline" and it was clicking and 
jumping around like crazy if I even so much as touched the screen a bit and in 
the end the only very non-accessible way to connect to Apple Accessibility was 
to turn Voiceover off and for my wife to tap on the "Agree" button. Without 
sighted help I could not have connected.
I asked the guy when they would finally fix this annoying issue (he knew of 
course exactly what I was talking about) and he said "very soon". Of course I 
hear from 14.2 beta testers that in the most recent beta this apparently has 
not yet been fixed and for the public we aren't even on iOS 14.1 let alone 14.2.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Daniel 
MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 7:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

Well, I respectivly disagree. I am sharing my perspective as a long time iOS 
beta tester. iOS 14 is different but it deenatly does not suck. Sure, iOS 
10 had its share of bugs in the early beta(s), but it got better. iOS 14 has 
bugs too, as do all software releases, the only way to fix that is reporting 
these bugs to Apple. It is insulting to me as a beta tester to here, “iOS 14 
sucks,” the hard work I did reporting bugs to apple, only to find a sonic like 
you to complain and use insulting language. Update or not, that is your 
prerogative, but to come on a public list and read these thoughts, well, I say 
to you, since you think iOS 14 sucks, beta test 14.2. why do you think this 
anyway?
Daniel



On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Devin Prater 
mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see why 
people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the current 
year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
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Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.

One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I want to 
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RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Larry Lumpkin]

I’m getting alittle tired of this too. People jump on the first release of an 
IOS and then whine when there are bugs. If you want more stable versions of 
ios, wait till it gets more stable. I plan on going to IOS 14 in maybe March or 
April.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 9:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

 

Also we have to always remember that us as blind consumers for apple reperzent 
like maybe 1 percent of there market and let’s not forget that apple’s main job 
is to make money. It is all well and good to say yes state this or that to 
apple and hope that they fix it but there is no garintee that they will or even 
lissen to us just look at the genral reply you get when you file things with 
them who knows weather they even bauther to read what there users say or maybe 
it is just like politix and the reports just get stuck some where collecting 
dust on some demacrats desk. As I said we are a verry nitch market for shure. I 
for one wish that there was something as softwhere with no bugs but that is 
impossible mainly because there are to many coads to go through to make that 
happen. And yes it is frustrateing that they will make something work in one 
version and then screw it up in the next version jmo but if it works then don’t 
fix it. From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Malcolm Parfitt
Sent: October 6, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

 

Perhaps if people commented more constructively their opinion would be taken 
more seriously.

 

What on earth IOS sucks is supposed to mean is beyond me!

Malcolm Parfitt

 

On 6 Oct 2020, at 15:35, Gerardo Corripio mailto:gera1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Just appreciate every day that we’ve talking phones, without needing to, as 
before, buy separtely a Talks or Mobile Accessibility license. Remember too 
that software is software, thus it’s very important to have more Beta testers, 
but overall, for Apple to take more into account feedback from those who Beta 
test. And as an afterthought, doesn’t Apple have blind folks among its staff, 
to test VoiceOver for bugs?

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

 

El 6 oct 2020, a la(s) 8:08 a.m., Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > escribió:



I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see why 
people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the current 
year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.


Devin Prater

sent from Gmail.

 

 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
mailto:jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.

 

One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I want to 
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turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet or email away 
from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi on for calls and texting too. 
Just putting all the questions out there

 

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RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Mich Verrier]

Also we have to always remember that us as blind consumers for apple reperzent 
like maybe 1 percent of there market and let’s not forget that apple’s main job 
is to make money. It is all well and good to say yes state this or that to 
apple and hope that they fix it but there is no garintee that they will or even 
lissen to us just look at the genral reply you get when you file things with 
them who knows weather they even bauther to read what there users say or maybe 
it is just like politix and the reports just get stuck some where collecting 
dust on some demacrats desk. As I said we are a verry nitch market for shure. I 
for one wish that there was something as softwhere with no bugs but that is 
impossible mainly because there are to many coads to go through to make that 
happen. And yes it is frustrateing that they will make something work in one 
version and then screw it up in the next version jmo but if it works then don’t 
fix it. From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Malcolm 
Parfitt
Sent: October 6, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

 

Perhaps if people commented more constructively their opinion would be taken 
more seriously.

 

What on earth IOS sucks is supposed to mean is beyond me!

Malcolm Parfitt





On 6 Oct 2020, at 15:35, Gerardo Corripio mailto:gera1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Just appreciate every day that we’ve talking phones, without needing to, as 
before, buy separtely a Talks or Mobile Accessibility license. Remember too 
that software is software, thus it’s very important to have more Beta testers, 
but overall, for Apple to take more into account feedback from those who Beta 
test. And as an afterthought, doesn’t Apple have blind folks among its staff, 
to test VoiceOver for bugs?

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel





El 6 oct 2020, a la(s) 8:08 a.m., Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > escribió:



I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see why 
people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the current 
year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.


Devin Prater

sent from Gmail.

 

 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
mailto:jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.

 

One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I want to 
have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me leave Wi-Fi 
turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet or email away 
from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi on for calls and texting too. 
Just putting all the questions out there

 

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Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Perhaps if people commented more constructively their opinion would be taken 
more seriously.

What on earth IOS sucks is supposed to mean is beyond me!

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 6 Oct 2020, at 15:35, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> Just appreciate every day that we’ve talking phones, without needing to, as 
> before, buy separtely a Talks or Mobile Accessibility license. Remember too 
> that software is software, thus it’s very important to have more Beta 
> testers, but overall, for Apple to take more into account feedback from those 
> who Beta test. And as an afterthought, doesn’t Apple have blind folks among 
> its staff, to test VoiceOver for bugs?
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
> 
>> El 6 oct 2020, a la(s) 8:08 a.m., Devin Prater  
>> escribió:
>> 
>> 
>> I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see why 
>> people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the current 
>> year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
>> Devin Prater
>> sent from Gmail.
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
>>  wrote:
>>> Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.
>>> 
>>> One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I want 
>>> to have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me leave 
>>> Wi-Fi turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet or 
>>> email away from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi on for calls 
>>> and texting too. Just putting all the questions out there
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your prompt attention!
>>> 
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Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Les Kriegler]

Well, I can tell you that iOS 14 has resolved tuition is that I feel are very 
important. One is the fact that I can use the Mail app again. The focus issues 
appear to have been resolved. That’s a major improvement. I also use Bluetooth 
hearing aids which is why I upgraded to iOS 14 in the first place. It was an 
issue or voiceover wasn’t giving up the use of the A’s and anything I listen to 
including people I will talk to you would not have normal sound for about two 
minutes. Now, it only takes a few seconds for that to come back. So in my view, 
these are two major improvements making it worth the upgrade. I have concerns 
about upgrading based on what I heard before, but when I heard about the 
hearing aids, I thought what that was too important to pass up. I am glad that 
I upgraded.

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> On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:24 AM, Daniel MacDonald 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, I respectivly disagree. I am sharing my perspective as a long time iOS 
> beta tester. iOS 14 is different but it deenatly does not suck. Sure, iOS 
> 10 had its share of bugs in the early beta(s), but it got better. iOS 14 has 
> bugs too, as do all software releases, the only way to fix that is reporting 
> these bugs to Apple. It is insulting to me as a beta tester to here, “iOS 14 
> sucks,” the hard work I did reporting bugs to apple, only to find a sonic 
> like you to complain and use insulting language. Update or not, that is your 
> prerogative, but to come on a public list and read these thoughts, well, I 
> say to you, since you think iOS 14 sucks, beta test 14.2. why do you think 
> this anyway?
> Daniel
> 
> 
>> On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see why 
>> people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the current 
>> year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
>> Devin Prater
>> sent from Gmail.
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
>>  wrote:
>>> Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.
>>> 
>>> One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I want 
>>> to have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me leave 
>>> Wi-Fi turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet or 
>>> email away from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi on for calls 
>>> and texting too. Just putting all the questions out there
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your prompt attention!
>>> 
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Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Devin Prater]

Of course they have, at least one totally blind person working there, maybe
two. But they're working there to build the stuff, I think. I don't know
what they exactly do, but they seem to depend on us a good deal for testing.
Devin Prater
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> Just appreciate every day that we’ve talking phones, without needing to,
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> too that software is software, thus it’s very important to have more Beta
> testers, but overall, for Apple to take more into account feedback from
> those who Beta test. And as an afterthought, doesn’t Apple have blind folks
> among its staff, to test VoiceOver for bugs?
>
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>
> El 6 oct 2020, a la(s) 8:08 a.m., Devin Prater 
> escribió:
>
> 
> I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see
> why people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the
> current year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
> Devin Prater
> sent from Gmail.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto <
> jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Gerardo Corripio]

Just appreciate every day that we’ve talking phones, without needing to, as 
before, buy separtely a Talks or Mobile Accessibility license. Remember too 
that software is software, thus it’s very important to have more Beta testers, 
but overall, for Apple to take more into account feedback from those who Beta 
test. And as an afterthought, doesn’t Apple have blind folks among its staff, 
to test VoiceOver for bugs?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 6 oct 2020, a la(s) 8:08 a.m., Devin Prater  
> escribió:
> 
> 
> I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see why 
> people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the current 
> year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
> Devin Prater
> sent from Gmail.
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> 
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
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Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Devin Prater]

As you probably know, as I'm on the Public Beta User's list, I tested 14
too. I said in my email something like "You know, 14 sucks, 13 sucked, 12
sucked..." meaning people's perception of it, because that's what this is.
It doesn't really cuck, unless you have that focus issue, but people come
up against these smaller bugs that they've not seen since 13 launched, or
whatever, and they think it sucks because impressions.
Now, it is insulting to me as well when people say it sucks, because I
Invested plenty into reporting braille issues and dealing with bugs much
worse than the public have seen. Believe me. But these are users, and they
have their perceptions.
Devin Prater
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> Well, I respectivly disagree. I am sharing my perspective as a long time
> iOS beta tester. iOS 14 is different but it deenatly does not suck.
> Sure, iOS 10 had its share of bugs in the early beta(s), but it got better.
> iOS 14 has bugs too, as do all software releases, the only way to fix that
> is reporting these bugs to Apple. It is insulting to me as a beta tester to
> here, “iOS 14 sucks,” the hard work I did reporting bugs to apple, only to
> find a sonic like you to complain and use insulting language. Update or
> not, that is your prerogative, but to come on a public list and read these
> thoughts, well, I say to you, since you think iOS 14 sucks, beta test 14.2.
> why do you think this anyway?
> Daniel
>
>
> On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>
> I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see
> why people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the
> current year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
> Devin Prater
> sent from Gmail.
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>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto <
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Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Daniel MacDonald]

Well, I respectivly disagree. I am sharing my perspective as a long time iOS 
beta tester. iOS 14 is different but it deenatly does not suck. Sure, iOS 
10 had its share of bugs in the early beta(s), but it got better. iOS 14 has 
bugs too, as do all software releases, the only way to fix that is reporting 
these bugs to Apple. It is insulting to me as a beta tester to here, “iOS 14 
sucks,” the hard work I did reporting bugs to apple, only to find a sonic like 
you to complain and use insulting language. Update or not, that is your 
prerogative, but to come on a public list and read these thoughts, well, I say 
to you, since you think iOS 14 sucks, beta test 14.2. why do you think this 
anyway?
Daniel


> On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see why 
> people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the current 
> year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
> Devin Prater
> sent from Gmail.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto 
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> 
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> Wi-Fi turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet or 
> email away from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi on for calls and 
> texting too. Just putting all the questions out there
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Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Devin Prater]

I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see
why people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the
current year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
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> Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.
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RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[chaltain]

I’m not quite following your question, but wi-fi calling is when you want to 
make phone calls and exchange text messaging when you have a weak or no 
cellular connection. It won’t impact your ability to use data over wi-fi or 
cellular. If having it on is a problem, I suppose you could turn it off until 
you’re in a place with a poor or no cellular connection and then turn it on.

 

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Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.

 

One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I want to 
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turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet or email away 
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Just putting all the questions out there

 

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iOS 14 sucks!!

[Jenny Bomareto]

Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.

One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I want to 
have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me leave Wi-Fi 
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Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Donna Casteen]

Hi,

Turn off wifi calling. I was having the problem that you described. Turning off 
wifi calling fixed my problem.

Donna
Whenever I answer a call like I’m supposed to the call that’s calling does not 
come through so I have to hang up and call back or like when I was talking to 
someone a few minutes ago they kept saying hello and I heard them just fine 
well she had to hang up on me because the phone is a PIA I’m sure you know what 
that means. Any help I could get to fix this irritating problem would be 
greatly appreciated!!
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RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[edrew]

I’d agree with Simon.. I updated to the latest IOS 14, Things are without a 
doubt off.

I restarted my I Phone 11 and noticed some improvement.

As time passes, I’m noticing improvements every day.

Like our desktop and laptop computers, restarting them sometimes fixes things 
as the system boots back up.

Andrew

 

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Fogarty
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Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

 

Hey Jenny,

 

I know it’s a crazy question,

 

Have you shut down / restarted your phone?

 

I had a similar issue with my phone under IOS 13.x and restarting a few times 
seemed for some reason to fix it.

 

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RE: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hey Jenny,

I know it’s a crazy question,

Have you shut down / restarted your phone?

I had a similar issue with my phone under IOS 13.x and restarting a few times 
seemed for some reason to fix it.

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Whenever I answer a call like I’m supposed to the call that’s calling does not 
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iOS 14 sucks!!

[Jenny Bomareto]

Whenever I answer a call like I’m supposed to the call that’s calling does not 
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Re: The date and time input methods in calendar iOS 14 sucks

[Daniel MacDonald]

Their are a plethora of calendar apps. Busy cal, fantastical, and loads more. 
Fantastical is very accessible you should give it a look.

> On Oct 4, 2020, at 9:19 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> What about Siri 
> I just use her from my watch or phone.
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RE: The date and time input methods in calendar iOS 14 sucks

[Simon A Fogarty]

What about Siri 
I just use her from my watch or phone.

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The date and time input methods in calendar iOS 14 sucks

[James Lockwood]

I don’t know why Apple decides to change some thing that worked perfectly. But 
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