Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron
At 05:13 am 22/08/2005 +0100, Frank wrote: Once one realises that one is dealing with a real atmosphere then all sorts of interesting possibilities arise - like creating closed vortices - Beta-atmosphere smoke rings in other words. There is a wonderful Royal Institution demonstration of a smoke ring blowing generated at one end of the lecturers bench blowing out a candle at the other. The smoke ring box is first filled with smoke so that the ring is visible as it travels slowly the dozen or so feet towards the candle. Then the demonstration is repeated without smoke and the lectures starts a countdown. When he reaches zero the candle is blown out as though by magic. Before WWII there was a lot of interest in the possibility of a death ray knocking down enemy aircraft. The idea was researched and considered a non starter. But the investigation did give rise to something only a little less valuable, viz. radio location and radar. Had the authorities recognised the possibility of firing Beta-atmosphere closed vortices the death ray might have come to fruition. Who was it who made a great hoo-ha about something like this? I think it was Shoulders with his EVOs. I'll have to google it. Cheers, Frank Grimer Ain't Google wonderful 8-). I put - Shoulders EVO - in and straight away the article I was thinking of came up as the first of 18,500. The URL is, http://www.svn.net/krscfs/The%20Good%20The%20Bad%20And%20The%20Ugly.pdf THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY is dated last August so it's pretty up to date as regards Shoulder's view of things. Interestingly enough, his first paragraph of The Bad section of his article could well be applied to Cold Fusion research. = In the experimental world there is a truism: If it has not happened, it probably will not happen. The thrust here is that it is very dangerous to predict too far into the future. Doing so usually brings bad news. Still, it is the life of the experimenter to go on into such darkness moving as deftly as possible but with caution. In the business of containing such eager particles, capable of fantastic energetic feats in the micro world, scaling to progressively larger samples is necessarily accompanied with caution. Many things can be learned using micro samples, but eventually, there comes a time when large samples are necessary. That time has arrived. = The first sentence of The Ugly section reads, = I think Hell has not a clue as to the fury of a bunch of electrons suddenly unleashed. = Could an Alpha-atmosphere smoke ring (closed vortex) be seen as furious; more furious that is than simply blowing out a candle? Very definitely if the vortex is big enough. There have been instances where vortices shed by large airliners, such as the 747 have tipped over smaller airliners following in their wake. To be continued Frank Grimer
Cold Fusion in Israel
Can anyone explain the Super Wave theory? http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-08/ns-ijv081005.php
Re: Cold Electricity
Was ther not something about this Cold Elec at the time when John Bedinni ws a rising star? If i remember correctly he said there was evidence of High voltage discharges with no IR2 heating? Anyone hear what hapened to him or his ideas? Rgds Noel Whitney - Original Message - From: thomas malloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 7:38 PM Subject: Cold Electricity PES published the following article on E V Gray, http://pesn.com/2005/08/19/9600152_EV_Gray_nephew/ Part of the discussion mentioned Peter Linderman's book on cold electricity. Shortly after it's publication I emailed Peter and asked him if there was any experimental evidence for what he was saying, or if he was just selling books. I never received a reply, so I have relegated Peter to the status of vaporware merchant.
Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron
At 06:58 am 22/08/2005 +0100, Frank wrote: At 05:13 am 22/08/2005 +0100, Frank wrote: Ain't Google wonderful 8-). I put - Shoulders EVO - in and straight away the article I was thinking of came up as the first of 18,500. The URL is, http://www.svn.net/krscfs/The%20Good%20The%20Bad%20And%20The%20Ugly.pdf THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY is dated last August so it's pretty up to date as regards Shoulder's view of things. Interestingly enough, his first paragraph of The Bad section of his article could well be applied to Cold Fusion research. = In the experimental world there is a truism: If it has not happened, it probably will not happen. The thrust here is that it is very dangerous to predict too far into the future. Doing so usually brings bad news. Still, it is the life of the experimenter to go on into such darkness moving as deftly as possible but with caution. In the business of containing such eager particles, capable of fantastic energetic feats in the micro world, scaling to progressively larger samples is necessarily accompanied with caution. Many things can be learned using micro samples, but eventually, there comes a time when large samples are necessary. That time has arrived. = The first sentence of The Ugly section reads, = I think Hell has not a clue as to the fury of a bunch of electrons suddenly unleashed. = Could an Alpha-atmosphere smoke ring (closed vortex) be seen as furious; more furious that is than simply blowing out a candle? Very definitely if the vortex is big enough. There have been instances where vortices shed by large airliners, such as the 747 have tipped over smaller airliners following in their wake. To be continued Frank Grimer Well I've had a good look at Shoulders's stuff but there's not really enough detail to make a judgment on the possibility of his EVOs being closed vortices or not. There are one or two tempting hints, like the fact that EVOs move around slowly, cf. smoke rings. Also, the fact he seems to collect them from the surface of glass plates is suggestive since surfaces are involved with virtual particles which are presumably some kind of *materon* polarization. Surfaces are the region where there must be interaction between neutral mass, neutral charge particles and electrons. One could easily build up a speculative mountain out of an experimental molehill but I think it is best to file the idea away in the useful junk box until some better piece of the jigsaw turns up. 8-) I was interested to note that Shoulders co-authored a paper with Jack Sarfatti. Mmm.A way out thinker if ever there was one, if my google search on him is anything to go by. grin Frank Grimer
Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron
Frank, are you working towards saying that the active areas in good samples of cold fusion cathodes may be beta atmosphere cavities in the lattice that use ambient heat or sound vibration to generate colossal beta pressure and thereby fuse the entrained deuterium? I hadn't understood much what you were on about before but this organ pipe/magnetron/perfume spray analogy has just opened my eyes a little (I think)...
Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron
From: Grimer I was interested to note that Shoulders co-authored a paper with Jack Sarfatti. Mmm.A way out thinker if ever there was one, if my google search on him is anything to go by. grin He was normal until he got the phone call from Valis: http://www.disinfo.com/site/displayarticle2024.html
Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron
At 06:58 am 22/08/2005 +0100, Frank wrote: snip The first sentence of Shoulders The Ugly section reads, = I think Hell has not a clue as to the fury of a bunch of electrons suddenly unleashed. = Could an Alpha-atmosphere smoke ring (closed vortex) be seen as furious; more furious that is than simply blowing out a candle? Very definitely if the vortex is big enough. There have been instances where vortices shed by large airliners, such as the 747 have tipped over smaller airliners following in their wake. To be continued Frank Grimer Having mentioned Hutchison previously in this thread I thought I had better revisit his stuff though not with any great enthusiasm since when I first investigated it I was appalled by his hopelessly disorganised approach. Fortunately, the first reference I came across was a concise summary of the work - NOT written by Hutchison. 8-) == The Hutchison Effect -- An Explanation by Mark A. Solis People often ask, What exactly is the Hutchison Effect? This brief essay is an attempt to answer that question to the satisfaction of the majority. First of all, the Hutchison Effect is a collection of phenomena which were discovered accidentally by John Hutchison during attempts to study the longitudinal waves of Tesla back in 1979. In other words, the Hutchison Effect is not simply a singular effect. It is many. The Hutchison Effect occurs as the result of radio wave interferences in a zone of spatial volume encompassed by high voltage sources, usually a Van de Graff generator, and two or more Tesla coils. The effects produced include levitation of heavy objects, fusion of dissimilar materials such as metal and wood (exactly as portrayed in the movie, The Philadelphia Experiment), the anomalous heating of metals without burning adjacent material, spontaneous fracturing of metals (which separate by sliding in a sideways fashion), and both temporary and permanent changes in the crystalline structure and physical properties of metals. The levitation of heavy objects by the Hutchison Effect is not---repeat not---the result of simple electrostatic or electromagnetic levitation. Claims that these forces alone can explain the phenomenon are patently ridiculous, and easily disproved by merely trying to use such methods to duplicate what the Hutchison Effect has achieved, which has been well documented both on film and videotape, and has been witnessed many times by numerous credentialed scientists and engineers. Challengers should note that their apparatus must be limited to the use of 75 Watts of power from a 120 Volt AC outlet, as that is all that is used by Hutchison's apparatus to levitate a 60-pound cannon ball. The fusion of dissimilar materials, which is exceedingly remarkable, indicates clearly that the Hutchison Effect has a powerful influence on Van der Waals forces. In a striking and baffling contradiction, dissimilar substances can simply come together, yet the individual substances do not dissociate. A block of wood can simply sink into a metal bar, yet neither the metal bar nor the block of wood come apart. Also, there is no evidence of displacement, such as would occur if, for example, one were to sink a stone into a bowl of water. The anomalous heating of metal without any evidence of burning or scorching of the adjacent materials (usually wood) is a clear indication that possibly the nature of heat may not be completely understood. This has far-reaching implications for thermodynamics, which hinges entirely on the presumption of such knowledge. It should be noted that the entirety of thermodynamics is represented by the infrared portion of the electromagnetic spectrum, which is insignificant in a context of 0 Hz to infinite Hz. The anomalous heating exhibited by the Hutchison Effect shows plainly that we have much to learn, especially where thermodynamics and electromagnetism meet. The spontaneous fracturing of metals, as occurs with the Hutchison Effect, is unique for two reasons: (1) there is no evidence of an external force causing the fracturing, and (2) the method by which the metal separates involves a sliding motion in a sideways direction, horizontally. The metal simply comes apart. Some temporary changes in the crystalline structure and physical properties of metals are somewhat reminiscent of the spoon bending of Uri Geller, except that there is no one near the metal samples when the changes take place. One video shows a spoon flapping up and down like a limp rag in a stiff breeze. In the case of permanent changes, a metal bar will be hard at one end, like steel, and soft at the other end, like powdered lead. Again, this is evidence of strong influence on Van der Waals forces. The radio wave
Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron
Hi Frank Back in the 70's I used to fly Gliders (sailplanes) out of Gawler in South Australia under the flightpath of the Edinborough Airforce Base. It used to get quite exciting when one was at the 1900ft ceiling and the caribou's came through with supposedly a 2000 ft floor but felt more like a beat up. I think its a fairly long stretch though to compare what can happen when a vortice destroys the lift over one wing of an aircraft and flips it to suggesting the same can happen to a 60 lb round cannonball. Even the vortice off the tips of the small tow plane (usually a Piper Cub in those days) could give you a hard time when going from low tow below the tug to High tow above the tug if one was careless. I am not suggesting the effect is not real - but I would suggest caution in using this analogy. One suprising thing was how long the vortices lasted after they where generated - I have flown into them at least 10Km behind the generating aircraft. Regards JohnH - Original Message - From: Grimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron At 06:58 am 22/08/2005 +0100, Frank wrote: snip The first sentence of Shoulders The Ugly section reads, = I think Hell has not a clue as to the fury of a bunch of electrons suddenly unleashed. = Could an Alpha-atmosphere smoke ring (closed vortex) be seen as furious; more furious that is than simply blowing out a candle? Very definitely if the vortex is big enough. There have been instances where vortices shed by large airliners, such as the 747 have tipped over smaller airliners following in their wake. To be continued Frank Grimer Having mentioned Hutchison previously in this thread I thought I had better revisit his stuff though not with any great enthusiasm since when I first investigated it I was appalled by his hopelessly disorganised approach. Fortunately, the first reference I came across was a concise summary of the work - NOT written by Hutchison. 8-) == The Hutchison Effect -- An Explanation by Mark A. Solis People often ask, What exactly is the Hutchison Effect? This brief essay is an attempt to answer that question to the satisfaction of the majority. First of all, the Hutchison Effect is a collection of phenomena which were discovered accidentally by John Hutchison during attempts to study the longitudinal waves of Tesla back in 1979. In other words, the Hutchison Effect is not simply a singular effect. It is many. The Hutchison Effect occurs as the result of radio wave interferences in a zone of spatial volume encompassed by high voltage sources, usually a Van de Graff generator, and two or more Tesla coils. The effects produced include levitation of heavy objects, fusion of dissimilar materials such as metal and wood (exactly as portrayed in the movie, The Philadelphia Experiment), the anomalous heating of metals without burning adjacent material, spontaneous fracturing of metals (which separate by sliding in a sideways fashion), and both temporary and permanent changes in the crystalline structure and physical properties of metals. The levitation of heavy objects by the Hutchison Effect is not---repeat not---the result of simple electrostatic or electromagnetic levitation. Claims that these forces alone can explain the phenomenon are patently ridiculous, and easily disproved by merely trying to use such methods to duplicate what the Hutchison Effect has achieved, which has been well documented both on film and videotape, and has been witnessed many times by numerous credentialed scientists and engineers. Challengers should note that their apparatus must be limited to the use of 75 Watts of power from a 120 Volt AC outlet, as that is all that is used by Hutchison's apparatus to levitate a 60-pound cannon ball. The fusion of dissimilar materials, which is exceedingly remarkable, indicates clearly that the Hutchison Effect has a powerful influence on Van der Waals forces. In a striking and baffling contradiction, dissimilar substances can simply come together, yet the individual substances do not dissociate. A block of wood can simply sink into a metal bar, yet neither the metal bar nor the block of wood come apart. Also, there is no evidence of displacement, such as would occur if, for example, one were to sink a stone into a bowl of water. The anomalous heating of metal without any evidence of burning or scorching of the adjacent materials (usually wood) is a clear indication that possibly the nature of heat may not be completely understood. This has far-reaching implications for thermodynamics, which hinges entirely on the presumption of such
Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron
At 08:49 am 22/08/2005 -0400, you wrote: From: Grimer I was interested to note that Shoulders co-authored a paper with Jack Sarfatti. Mmm.A way out thinker if ever there was one, if my google search on him is anything to go by. grin He was normal until he got the phone call from Valis: http://www.disinfo.com/site/displayarticle2024.html == CAUSALITY-VIOLATING QUANTUM ACTION AT A DISTANCE? by Dr. Jack Sarfatti ... the universe is created by intelligent design but the Designer lives in our far future and has evolved from us. = Yes - I see what you mean. grin
Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron
At 07:31:44 on 22 Aug 2005 07:31:44 John Harris wrote:- Hi Frank, Back in the 70's I used to fly Gliders (sailplanes) out of Gawler in South Australia under the flightpath of the Edinborough Airforce Base. It used to get quite exciting when one was at the 1900ft ceiling and the caribou's came through with supposedly a 2000 ft floor but felt more like a beat up. I think its a fairly long stretch though to compare what can happen when a vortice destroys the lift over one wing of an aircraft and flips it to suggesting the same can happen to a 60 lb round cannonball. Even the vortice off the tips of the small tow plane (usually a Piper Cub in those days) could give you a hard time when going from low tow below the tug to High tow above the tug if one was careless. I am not suggesting the effect is not real - but I would suggest caution in using this analogy. One sup rising thing was how long the vortices lasted after they where generated - I have flown into them at least 10Km behind the generating aircraft. Regards JohnH Many thanks for your most interesting first hand account, of the effect of vortex rings on small aircraft. There is nothing like hearing these things from the horse's mouth, so to speak. I only wish we had one of the Hutchison Effect witnesses on the list With regard to the cannon ball, I think you are extremely restrained in your comment that it is a fairly long stretch. It is an enormously long stretch because the forces involved in the Beta-atmosphere (that which transmits light) are an enormously long way from the forces involved in the Alpha-atmosphere (that which transmits sound). Believe you me, I completely sympathise with your shock horror just as much as I would sympathise with a man who had never heard of meteorites and returned home to find that one had demolished his house. The cognitive dissonance must be awful. As for caution, I am long past the age when I need to worry about the effect of my words on teachers/professors/division heads/directors/editors/peer reviewers. That, dear boy, is the beauty of our little Vortex discussion group. We can say it as it is. (excluding libel, pornography, sarcasm, religion and politics - and anything else our esteemed moderator might deem unfitting). Cheers, Frank
Re: OT: Alpha-Omega Atmosphere: was Beta-atmosphere....
At 08:40 am 22/08/2005 -0700, you wrote: G'day Frank and Terry, == CAUSALITY-VIOLATING QUANTUM ACTION AT A DISTANCE? by Dr. Jack Sarfatti ... the universe is created by intelligent design but the Designer lives in our far future and has evolved from us. == F.G. Yes - I see what you mean. grin Frank, do you mean that you see the partial truth, or the ad hominem? I will do this half-observation one better... and you can add hominem me as twice the former... so to speak. One can substitute, in the above quotation, in our distant past for in our far future... and to the extent that one is possessed of a proper understanding of time... find that the two together constitute a hidden tautology, the truth of which must be self-evident, to even the true-believer, at some timeless level of understanding Jones Goodness me - ad hominem indeed - you sound as though you must attend his soirees - or something. Sorry Josey - I'm not going to rise to the bait - though I must admit I'm tempted. grin Frank = et ne inducas nos in temptationem =
OT: Alpha-Omega Atmosphere: was Beta-atmosphere....
G'day Frank and Terry, == CAUSALITY-VIOLATING QUANTUM ACTION AT A DISTANCE? by Dr. Jack Sarfatti ... the universe is created by intelligent design but the Designer lives in our far future and has evolved from us. == F.G. Yes - I see what you mean. grin Frank, do you mean that you see the partial truth, or the ad hominem? I will do this half-observation one better... and you can add hominem me as twice the former... so to speak. One can substitute, in the above quotation, in our distant past for in our far future... and to the extent that one is possessed of a proper understanding of time... find that the two together constitute a hidden tautology, the truth of which must be self-evident, to even the true-believer, at some timeless level of understanding Jones
Radus Boots and Magnetic Motors
I read about this on a post in JLNLabs' group. This is from Bearden's web site. Why won't this work? http://www.cheniere.org/misc/astroboots.htm
Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron
I've found a rather spectacular example of a vortex crash. http://www.avweb.com/other/us427vue.html USAir 427: One Accident, Three Views On September 8, 1994, USAir Flight 427, a Boeing 737-300 on a scheduled flight from Chicago to Pittsburgh, crashed while maneuvering to land at Pittsburgh International Airport. The airplane was destroyed by impact forces and all 132 persons on board were fatally injured. Three years of investigation has failed to yield conclusive proof of why the aircraft crashed. What is known is that the aircraft encountered wake turbulence from a preceding aircraft while at 6,000 feet and 190 knots. The effects of the wake should have been easily recoverable. However, a few seconds after encountering the wake vortex, the 737's rudder deflected full-left and remained in that position for 23 seconds until the aircraft impacted the ground in a near-vertical position. = I seem to remember there was a case where the plane flipped upside down but I haven't been able to find that one.
Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron
From: Grimer I seem to remember there was a case where the plane flipped upside down but I haven't been able to find that one. There was one in Chicago. But it wasn't a vortex - the engine fell off on one side.
Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron
Didn't used to have that problem in a sailplane ;-) - Original Message - From: Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:55 AM Subject: Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron There was one in Chicago. But it wasn't a vortex - the engine fell off on one side.
Beta-Aether as UFT
Frank, I've been giving some thought to your whole Beta-Atmosphere theory and reading your papers on the strength of materials, and I was shaken by the epiphany of a Unified Field Theory. Hal Puthoff, Alfonso Rueda, Bernard Haisch and others have demonstrated that inertia and gravity can both be explained by the effect of Zero-Point Fluctuations, with the gravity explanation requiring the warping of space by matter. Your explanation of the strength of materials as a result of the difference between B-A pressure internally and externally would seem to require the reduction of B-A pressure / density in the pressence of matter. Assuming that Beta-Atmosphere (Beta-Aether) and the ZPF are the same thing, allow me to synthesize the concepts together and expostulate upon the result. This reduction in B-A pressure would explain the apparent warping of space which results in gravity. Also, it would explain the apparent effect of gravity on light. I have never followed the theory that light could be directly effected by gravity, as it has no mass. However, the speed of a compression wave is inversly dependant upon the density of the medium through which it travels. Refraction of the light as it enters an area of progressivly reduced B-A density would bend it towards the source, just as gravity would if it could effect light. Electro-Magnetism has also been linked to the ZPF (and thus B-A), and proposed as a means of harnessing its energy. The differing power laws related to the various manefestations of this effect could well be due to some form of hierarchal relationship in the B-A, At Casimir distances only certain types of ZPF fluctuations are allowed by the boundary conditions of scale. As the scale increases, you can get more and more types of ZPF fluctuations which result in different aspects of the B-A pressure. Merlyn Magickal Engineer and Technical Metaphysicist Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Israeli research into Cold Fusion
My mistake, I posted the wrong link. http://blake.montclair.edu/~kowalskil/cf/213israel.html This article mentions the super wave method of producing fusion I didn't notice any links. Given it's alleged link to C F, I would expect Jed or Ed to have an interest in it. This link is one of four technologies mentioned on this page http://peswiki.com/energy/PowerPedia:Cold_fusion#Ongoing_developments
Re: Beta-Aether as UFT
At 11:08 am 22/08/2005 -0700, Merlyn wrote: Frank, I've been giving some thought to your whole Beta-Atmosphere theory and reading your papers on the strength of materials, and I was shaken by the epiphany of a Unified Field Theory. Hal Puthoff, Alfonso Rueda, Bernard Haisch and others have demonstrated that inertia and gravity can both be explained by the effect of Zero-Point Fluctuations, with the gravity explanation requiring the warping of space by matter. Your explanation of the strength of materials as a result of the difference between B-A pressure internally and externally would seem to require the reduction of B-A pressure / density in the pressence of matter. Pressure yes - concentration yes - density no, since the particles of the B-a atmosphere have ambient mass and ambient charge, i.e. they do not manifest mass or charge anymore than bodies at ambient temperature manifest heat or cold. Assuming that Beta-Atmosphere (Beta-Aether) and the ZPF are the same thing, allow me to synthesize the concepts together and expostulate upon the result. This reduction in B-A pressure would explain the apparent warping of space which results in gravity. Also, it would explain the apparent effect of gravity on light. If you say so. 8-) I have never followed the theory that light could be directly effected by gravity, as it has no mass. However, the speed of a compression wave is inversely dependant upon the density of the medium through which it travels. Refraction of the light as it enters an area of progressively reduced B-A density would bend it towards the source, just as gravity would if it could effect light. Seems logical. Electro-Magnetism has also been linked to the ZPF (and thus B-A), and proposed as a means of harnessing its energy. Yep. The differing power laws related to the various manifestations of this effect could well be due to some form of hierarchal relationship in the B-A, Bang on. 8-) At Casimir distances only certain types of ZPF fluctuations are allowed by the boundary conditions of scale. As the scale increases, you can get more and more types of ZPF fluctuations which result in different aspects of the B-A pressure. You have clearly grasped the essentials of Iterative Hierarchical Mechanics. If you dwell on them I don't doubt you will come up with plenty of aspects I can't see. A radical datum shift such as recognising the internal tensile forces as nothing more than negations of external compressions will always cast a new light on things, thus enabling one to see stuff which could not be appreciated before. It's rather like being handed a negative photograph of a person who you can't recognise - then being handed the corresponding positive and realising that person is your mother. Cheers, Frank
RE: Off topic but important
Corrected Link ... http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/082005X.shtml -Original Message- From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 4:19 PM To: Vortex Subject: Off topic but important I presume that everyone who reads Vortex values truth and reality. If this is true, I suggest you read what is written at the following link. The question raised by a mother who paid a dear price is being asked by people everywhere. How big a lie must the government tell before honest people object and before the government is replaced? Ed Storms http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/082005X.sht -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005
Re: Off topic but important
From: Edmund Storms I presume that everyone who reads Vortex values truth and reality. If this is true, I suggest you read what is written at the following link. The question raised by a mother who paid a dear price is being asked by people everywhere. How big a lie must the government tell before honest people object and before the government is replaced? Ed Storms http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/082005X.sht It would appear that the link has been changed to: http://www.truthout.org/cindy.shtml The above link takes you to a lengthy written account that appears to be updated daily from the woman who lost her son in Iraq who wants to meet with Bush (who is on vacation). *** The president says he feels compassion for me, but the best way to show that compassion is by meeting with me and the other mothers and families who are here. Our sons made the ultimate sacrifice and we want answers. All we're asking is that he sacrifice an hour out of his five-week vacation to talk to us, before the next mother loses her son in Iraq. -- Cindy Sheehan, Camp Casey, Crawford, Texas *** Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com
Re: Beta-Aether as UFT
--- Grimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:08 am 22/08/2005 -0700, Merlyn wrote: Snip Your explanation of the strength of materials as a result of the difference between B-A pressure internally and externally would seem to require the reduction of B-A pressure / density in the pressence of matter. Pressure yes - concentration yes - density no, since snip Cheers, Frank What I meant by density was (not mass... not matter exactly... um, I suppose 'stuff' isn't precise enough...) I guess field density as a measure of vacuum / Zero-Point fluctuations per unit volume, so 'concentration' of the Beta-Aether, as you said and I read right over, dang ADD. Cheers Merlyn Magickal Engineer and Technical Metaphysicist __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
