date:20090108

It was an Octopus:

http://www.louthleader.co.uk/news/UPDATE-PLUS-VIDEO-FOOTAGE-Tentacle.4847433.jp

http://snipurl.com/9o4e8  [www_louthleader_co_uk]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=c3FZtmlHwcA

:-)

Terry

On 1/8/09, R C Macaulay  wrote:
>
> Howdy Vorts,
> NBC vid says witnesses saw a UFO destroy a wind turbine. The pic shows a
> missing blade and another bent outa shape..
> Richard
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#28559499

Re: [Vo]:NYT on an alternative motor fuel

2009-01-08 Thread mixent

In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:45:27 -0800 (PST):
Hi,

This might however offer another interim solution. Gas powered generating plants
have become important in recent years for two reasons.

1) CH4 produces less CO2 / BTU, and
2) The gas can be burnt in a "topping" turbine, the exhaust heat of which is
used to boil water to produce steam for a conventional steam turbine.

This combined cycle is frequently around 60-70% efficient, as opposed to a steam
turbine alone, which is usually no more than about 40% at best.

Now, if powdered coal were to replace the gas in the gas turbine portion of the
system, then one would theoretically have a system that could still achieve
60-70% efficiency, but running purely on coal rather than natural gas.

IOW the greenhouse gas results would lie somewhere between a gas powered plant
and a normal coal fired plant (and it would increase the profits of the power
companies because they would consume less coal).

Furthermore, the characteristics of the process that were problematic for
automotive use could easily be dealt with in a stationary application.

This would also tie in with the Pickens Plan, freeing up natural gas for
automotive use.

>Eco-nightmare or valid alternative?
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/04/automobiles/04COAL.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
>
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html

Re: [Vo]:BLP announces 2nd Commercial license

2009-01-08 Thread OrionWorks

With all this licensing activity going on I thought it might be a good
time to offer up an unscientific and informal query among the Vort
membership on what people think BLP's chances are of pulling the
rabbit out of the hat. I offer up two questions.

QUESTION A: What do you think of the claim that BLP & Rowan University
has accurately measured excess heat from the alleged BLP process?
...or do you think everyone involved has made a mistake in
measurements – which will eventually come out in the laundry.

My Response: I think there's a 70% - 80% chance that BLP & Rowan U.
got the heat measurement right.

QUESTION B: What do you think of the possibility that even though BLP
and Rowan University has accurately measured excess heat, the
recycling process, including consumables, like nickel, may turn out to
be so energy intensive and/or expensive that for all practical
purposes generating electricity cannot be economically produced for at
least another 30 – 40 years, which by that time some other AE
technology may surpass it. In the meantime, Mills, gets a Nobel prize
for his audacious discovery 20 years from now. ;-)

My Response: I sit firmly on the fence on this one. I give BLP a 50% -
50% chance of succeeding.


Feel free to shoot holes through my unscientific response. Nothing
would please me more than to have my pessimism proven unfounded.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:BLP announces 2nd Commercial license

2009-01-08 Thread OrionWorks

> > From: Terry Blanton
>
> > > Let's see... hmm ... if I can get it up to a 12-step program,
> perhaps you can  have me committed to some kind of detox center ...
>
> > Yeah, recovering from hydrino poisoning.  :-)
>
> Yikes! Does that cause the dreaded "shrinkage"?

if it costs less than Palmetto, what the hey!

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [VO]: Wind Turbine destroyed by ??

2009-01-08 Thread Harry Veeder


I guess that means wind turbines threaten UFOs
as well as birds. ;-)

Harry

- Original Message -
From: R C Macaulay 
Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009 8:13 pm
Subject: [VO]: Wind Turbine destroyed by ??

> Howdy Vorts,
> NBC vid says witnesses saw a UFO destroy a wind turbine. The pic 
> shows a missing blade and another bent outa shape.. 
> Richard
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#28559499

[VO]: Wind Turbine destroyed by ??

2009-01-08 Thread R C Macaulay

Howdy Vorts,
NBC vid says witnesses saw a UFO destroy a wind turbine. The pic shows a 
missing blade and another bent outa shape.. 
Richard
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#28559499

Re: [Vo]:The New Black Gold

2009-01-08 Thread R C Macaulay

Howdy Steven,
I am no fan of the coal industry.. not after that winter at Camp Peary
Virginia where the tar paper 40 man barracks had two coal burning cast iron
heaters. Once coal dust gets in your navy blues, it stays.
Interesting developments afoot between Exelon and NRG. Putting these two
together will skew the electric power generating industry in the USA.
Results??? expect to see a doubling in price per kwh. A deeper look at
corporate governance reveals leadership has background in investments and
not power generation. What does it portend? The same result as the rest of
the financial industry.. money at any cost. Once upon a time the electric
power industry was knee deep in engineering backgrounds.. not any longer..
the money boys are now in charge... once it was Stone and Webster
Engineering and Ebasco.. now it's Toshiba using the old Westinghouse nuke
plans.
Toshiba holds the contract to build two new nuke plants at Bay City Texas...
they can get started as soon as they find somebody that knows how to build a
nuke plant. Not to worry.. NRG says they are now nuke plant builders and
will build the two plants in sorta joint venture with Toshiba.. I am not a
stockholder in either Exelon or NRG.

Richard

.http://www.exeloncorp.com/ourcompanies/powergen/

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=121544&p=irol-govHighlights

Richard might feel a sense of vindication according to the following
Kiplinger article:

The New Black Gold Is Coal.

See:

http://www.kiplinger.com/businessresource/forecast/archive/new_black_gold_is_coal_090106.html

http://tinyurl.com/8539wn

Where's Marlin Brando and George C. Scott when ya need them! ("...we
are the Arabs!")

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:BLP announces 2nd Commercial license

No, that comes with age.

Terry (understanding)

On 1/8/09, Jones Beene  wrote:
> - Original Message 
>
> > From: Terry Blanton
>
> > > Let's see... hmm ... if I can get it up to a 12-step program, perhaps you 
> > > can  have me committed to some kind of detox center ...
>
> > Yeah, recovering from hydrino poisoning.  :-)
>
>
> Yikes! Does that cause the dreaded "shrinkage"?
>
> (George Costanza variety ;-)
>
>

Re: [Vo]:BLP announces 2nd Commercial license

- Original Message 

> From: Terry Blanton 

> > Let's see... hmm ... if I can get it up to a 12-step program, perhaps you 
> > can  have me committed to some kind of detox center ...
 
> Yeah, recovering from hydrino poisoning.  :-)


Yikes! Does that cause the dreaded "shrinkage"?

(George Costanza variety ;-)

Re: [Vo]:BLP announces 2nd Commercial license

On 1/8/09, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Let's see... hmm ... if I can get it up to a 12-step program, perhaps you can 
> have me committed to some kind of detox center ...

Yeah, recovering from hydrino poisoning.  :-)

Terry

Re: [Vo]:BLP announces 2nd Commercial license

- Original Message 

> From: Horace Heffner 

> If sub-ground states have half-lives then the source of free energy  
> by repeating the shrinking process is the zero point field.


Yes. I meant to add that as number 7 ;-)  

... followed closely by 

8) In order to continue in a robust way, real LENR reactions will be required. 
in order to "pay the piper" in the sense that ZPE probably has a built-in 
stabilizing or balancing mechanism - and in the sense of QM time reversal.

9) These secondary nuclear reactions, if they exist, will be previously 
undescribed in the literature, and generally show little indicia of nuclear 
origin - such as radioactivity.

10) An example of this kind of reaction, in Mills' case, will be the conversion 
of sodium to magnesium.

11) This reaction Na + Hy --> Mg may happen routinely in nature.

Let's see... hmm ... if I can get it up to a 12-step program, perhaps you can 
have me committed to some kind of detox center ...

Jones

Re: [Vo]:BLP announces 2nd Commercial license

2009-01-08 Thread Mike Carrell

If you are a newcormer to the BLP world, it is easy to misread the signs and 
get confused, when the story is actually straightforward if you use the 
tacit assumption that Mills is smart and knows what he is doing. First 
realize thst BLP is well and privately financed and does not "owe" 
explanations to anybody. Next realize that Mills' work is extensively 
published in detail -- which gives ample target practice for critics. Then 
note that Mills has pledged to announce significant events as they happen 
[after patent applications are in place]. Mills has a small staff and lots 
to do, and he doesn't need to waste time with the idly curious and "prove 
it" critics.


A little checking reveals that Estacado is a shell, protected by an NDA so 
that work can proceed quietly, without distrataction, even regulation and 
snooping. It is reasonable to expect a series of systems to be built at BLP 
and shipped to Estacado and operated to prove reliability and measure 
consumables and estimate savings. All this is necessary background for the 
main act, which is significant commercial deployment beginning X or XX years 
hence.


I speculate, but a reasonable plan would be for an up front good faith 
payment for the attention and support of BLP staff. There could be partial 
payments for power units of intermediate capacity, with royalties for the 
energy produced, and options to buy more powerful units as they arfe 
available.


Mike Carrell.

Re: [Vo]:BLP announces 2nd Commercial license

2009-01-08 Thread Jed Rothwell


Terry Blanton wrote:

The world is full of contrarians and fear mongers.  They will be 
used by the fossil fuel industries to slow the progress of any 
replacement source.


No doubt this is true. I discussed this in my book. However, in the 
case of the first generators made by BLP, the contrarian corps will 
be in a pickle, because most of them are scientists who adamantly 
assert that the Mills effect cannot possibly exist.


What can they say if the gadget starts producing electricity? "I was 
wrong. Hydrinos are real. They might be dangerous." I cannot imagine 
any academic skeptic or someone such as Zimmerman saying this. They 
could not bring themselves to say it! They would wave their hands and 
say that there must be a secret source of natural gas or some other 
conventional explanation. This stalemate would go on for months or 
years, long enough to prove that the gadget is safe. Or, 
alternatively, if hydrinos are not safe, it would go on until people 
start collapsing and dying, at which point everyone would believe 
hydrinos are real.


People usually find out things are dangerous by accidentally hurting 
someone. This is true even today, despite our overprotective society. 
This is a gruesome story, but when x-rays were first discovered they 
were soon used in medical diagnosis. People did not know they cause 
harm, and one patient with an elusive problem was subjected to 
massive amounts of x-rays which killed him, as I recall. The same 
thing happened with radium. Mme. Curie killed herself with the stuff.


To take a more modern and subtle example, due to modern 
overprotective hysteria, at many schools children are no longer 
allowed to play rough games and all forms of teasing are prohibited. 
Anyone familiar with primate behavior knows that teasing is inherent, 
and absolutely essential to normal social development and behavior. 
It is seen in most mammals, and developed to a high art by primates. 
Games, of course, are essential to the development of all intelligent 
species. By eliminating these things we will raise a generation of 
stunted, unhealthy children who have no idea how to interact with one 
another and who are incapable of simple acts such as walking on 
uneven surfaces, or cutting watermelons. These latter examples are 
actual observations of mine. I have seen urban children in Atlanta 
who could not walk across stones, mud and rocks on the shore of a 
creek, and a 12-year old girl who had never used a carving knife and 
had no idea how to slice a melon. She would have cut herself if I had 
not taken it away from her.


Here is a good article about teasing:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/07/magazine/07teasing-t.html

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:BLP announces 2nd Commercial license



On Jan 8, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:




Jones Beene wrote:



4) Hydrinos are short-lived at the first two or three levels of
redundancy.


How do they "decay"?

Of course, it's an endothermic reaction to reflate them; that's clear
enough.  But where does the energy come from?


Orbital instability.  The shrunken fractional orbits are forbidden by  
Heisenberg - unless a form of electron waveform self-overlap can  
exist, as Robin has suggested, that permits shrinking the volume in  
which the electron exists.  However, if this self-overlapping wave  
form is unstable, it could unwind and the orbital expansion would be  
fueled by the zero point field.





I would have thought they'd be quite stable, since they can't just  
spit
out a gamma or something in order to "decay".  It seem like a  
hydrino is

kind of stuck -- it needs to hold out its little begging bowl and wait
until someone comes along and drops enough energy into it to get it  
back

on the board.


If sub-ground states have half-lives then the source of free energy  
by repeating the shrinking process is the zero point field.


Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

Re: [Vo]:BLP announces 2nd Commercial license

The world is full of contrarians and fear mongers.  They will be used
by the fossil fuel industries to slow the progress of any replacement
source.

Terry

On 1/8/09, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
> Terry Blanton wrote:
>
> > Considering that the mass release of hydrinos into the environment is
> > totally unknown, it's my bet that you will see hot fusion before you
> > see a hydrino powered generator go online.
> >
>
> I do not think this will be a problem. Most scientists claim that hydrinos
> do not exist. Therefore they cannot be released into the environment. So
> there can be no environmental issue.
>
> A similar situation arose in the early days of cold fusion. Melvin Miles
> observed excess heat and began looking for tritium. The safety officer at
> China Lake became concerned and want to close down the experiment because it
> might be dangerous. Miles and showed him papers & editorials from Nature and
> elsewhere claiming that cold fusion does not exist and convinced him that
> since it does not exist it cannot be a safety threat.
>
> This is the only incident I am aware of in which the opponents of cold
> fusion were helpful and served a useful purpose, albeit inadvertently.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:BLP announces 2nd Commercial license



On Jan 8, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Jones Beene wrote:


Terry



Considering that the mass release of hydrinos into the environment is
totally unknown, it's my bet that you will see hot fusion before you
see a hydrino powered generator go online.



If they exist at all, and if they can exist as extended-lifetime  
particles, they will be extraordinarily valuable and would be  
collected at all cost- never released. Mills could probably give  
the power away *free* and make a tidy profit on any deeply  
redundant hydrinos he produces.


I take it by "redundant" you mean in a fractional orbital state, i.e.  
a reduced orbital size state.  Hydrogen in a highly reduced size  
orbital state would be very difficult to collect because it would  
either diffuse through any container, or possibly react with the  
nuclei if the orbital size is sufficiently reduced.


Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

Re: [Vo]:BLP announces 2nd Commercial license

2009-01-08 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence

Jones Beene wrote:
>
> 
> 4) Hydrinos are short-lived at the first two or three levels of
> redundancy.

How do they "decay"?

Of course, it's an endothermic reaction to reflate them; that's clear
enough.  But where does the energy come from?

I would have thought they'd be quite stable, since they can't just spit
out a gamma or something in order to "decay".  It seem like a hydrino is
kind of stuck -- it needs to hold out its little begging bowl and wait
until someone comes along and drops enough energy into it to get it back
on the board.

Re: [Vo]:BLP announces 2nd Commercial license

Terry 


> Considering that the mass release of hydrinos into the environment is
> totally unknown, it's my bet that you will see hot fusion before you
> see a hydrino powered generator go online.


If they exist at all, and if they can exist as extended-lifetime particles, 
they will be extraordinarily valuable and would be collected at all cost- never 
released. Mills could probably give the power away *free* and make a tidy 
profit on any deeply redundant hydrinos he produces.

If you want today's informed and evolving opinion from an objective observer: 
(or even if you don't ;-) here is a point-of-veiw that is probably not shared 
by anyone else, on either side of the aisle (which means to the contrarian, 
that it probably has some elements of truth which nobody wants to hear):

This is the scenario IMHO which best fits all the facts available:

1) Hydrinos are real, can be produced in numerous different ways, are common in 
cosmology, the solar corona, and are a major component of earth's core and a 
lesser component of earth's oceans, where they will eventually be harvested... 
but in all of the above cases, these particles are deeply redundant.

2) On earth, they require extraordinary conditions to produce with the kind of 
"catalysis" method which Mills believes-in (i.e. via high vacuum and energy 
holes), 

3) Mills theory is incorrect in many places

4) Hydrinos are short-lived at the first two or three levels of redundancy.

5) Deeply redundant hydrinos are approximately identical to the Dufour/Vigier 
hydrex concept of virtual neutrons. 

6) In the case of deuterons, that atom can 'shrink' only one or two levels but 
cannot proceed to deep redundancy; instead at some early stage - the inherent 
nuclear instability caused by the close electron insures that the neutron of 
the deuteron will be easily shed- and this is the basis for the 
Oppenheimer-Phillips effect.

There you have it ... (until tomorrow ;-)

Jones

Re: [Vo]:A repulsive Casimir force!



On Jan 8, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:


Now we should be able to make reciprocating Casimir engines.


I think that can be done using the attractive force alone.  I called  
the concept a "Casimir Generator" because the mechanical power  
generated is of little use compared to the availability of electric  
power on a macro scale.  See:


http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/CasimirGenerator.pdf

http://tinyurl.com/3h598r

The same approach should apply using the repulsive force, except  
there is no need to prevent runaway attraction.  However, that could  
prove to be a significant advantage when it comes to cost of  
fabrication.


A repulsive Casimir force should have profound effects on the  
modeling of and choice of materials for a dry pile.  See:


http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/DryPile.pdf

http://tinyurl.com/7esqne

Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

Re: [Vo]:A repulsive Casimir force!

Now we should be able to make reciprocating Casimir engines.

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:49 AM, Horace Heffner  wrote:
>
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090107161422.htm
>
> http://tinyurl.com/8godwj
>
> Best regards,
>
> Horace Heffner
> http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:BLP announces 2nd Commercial license

2009-01-08 Thread Jed Rothwell


Terry Blanton wrote:


Considering that the mass release of hydrinos into the environment is
totally unknown, it's my bet that you will see hot fusion before you
see a hydrino powered generator go online.


I do not think this will be a problem. Most scientists claim that 
hydrinos do not exist. Therefore they cannot be released into the 
environment. So there can be no environmental issue.


A similar situation arose in the early days of cold fusion. Melvin 
Miles observed excess heat and began looking for tritium. The safety 
officer at China Lake became concerned and want to close down the 
experiment because it might be dangerous. Miles and showed him papers 
& editorials from Nature and elsewhere claiming that cold fusion does 
not exist and convinced him that since it does not exist it cannot be 
a safety threat.


This is the only incident I am aware of in which the opponents of 
cold fusion were helpful and served a useful purpose, albeit inadvertently.


- Jed

Re: [Vo]:BLP announces 2nd Commercial license

Will they be allowed to build them is a better question.  They will
first have to do an environmental assessment and likely an
environmental impact study.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_assessment

Considering that the mass release of hydrinos into the environment is
totally unknown, it's my bet that you will see hot fusion before you
see a hydrino powered generator go online.

Terry

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:52 AM, OrionWorks  wrote:
> Could we get a clarification on a particular matter:
>
> From Mike Carrell:
>
>> ... BLP would like to have water-fueld power units on line in a
>> commercial setting in the near future.
>
> and
>
>> ... These cooperatives are
>> entrepreneural and make thier own rules to a large extent.
>> They buy power from established utilities and distribute it to
>> members of the cooperative. A first-generation BLP power unit
>> of any significant capacity can be hooked into the local
>> system at low risk and a decrease in the outside power bought.
>
> I infer from Mike's comment that these obscure rural cooperatives will
> attempt to construct their own modest power generating prototype,
> presumably for analysis and POC, initially. Do these rural
> cooperatives possess sufficient experience in building their own power
> generators? The reason I ask this is due to the fact that Mike also
> states these cooperatives "...buy power from established utilities and
> distribute it to members of the cooperative." That suggests to me that
> these companies are more in the business of purchasing & packaging
> power generated from other companies as compared to generating their
> own power. Did I misunderstand the capabilities of these rural
> cooperatives?
>
> Regards
> Steven Vincent Johnson
> www.OrionWorks.com
> www.zazzle.com/orionworks
>
>

Re: [Vo]:BLP announces 2nd Commercial license



On Jan 7, 2009, at 5:18 PM, Mike Carrell wrote:



- Original Message - From: "Horace Heffner"  


To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP announces 2nd Commercial license




On Jan 7, 2009, at 6:46 AM, Mike Carrell wrote:

 BLP would like to have water-fueld power units on line in a   
commercial setting in the near future.


What does this mean?  I got the impression BLP is to supply fuel   
material for the involved utilities to be heated in their boiler   
systems to supply auxiliary heat.  Is this incorrect?

--
Horace, yes this is incorrect. Go to www.Blacklightpower.com, start  
with the first page, and do some homework. I can understand from  
reading only the surface, one can misunderstand what is going on.

[snip interesting info (Thanks!)]

Yes, indeed, it is very difficult to understand what is going on with  
these commercial licenses.  I think I got sidetracked by the recent  
patent.  It does appear I'm not the only person in the dark on these  
commercial licenses. Here is an example of a reporter who didn't get  
very far:


http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/newenergyandfuel/com/2008/12/18/ 
impossible-blacklight-gets-the-first-customer/


http://tinyurl.com/887xw9

Some info provided above on the mysterious Estacado Energy Services:

http://www.nmprc.state.nm.us/cgi-bin/prcdtl.cgi?2542215+ESTACADO 
+ENERGY+SERVICES+INC


http://tinyurl.com/8zrq5s


Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

Re: [Vo]:2008 "leftovers"

2009-01-08 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence

Jones Beene wrote:
> 
> Stephen
> 
> 
>> IIRC the final official story was that there were never six to
>> start with, somebody just miscounted  What?  They can't even
>> count to *six*??  Well, it didn't sound quite that stupid in the
>> original version.  The missiles were in two pods which could
>> contain three each, but one pod only contained 2; the  original
>> "six" number came from multiplying the pod capacity by the number
>> of pods (2*3) rather than actually counting missiles
> 
> 
> Well - here is what a pod looks like:
> 
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/AGM-129_on_a_B-52.JPG
> 
> 
> 
> ... does anyone really think that any fool in the known universe
> could make that kind of counting error?

I dunno.  After all, they were supposed to move zero pods, and they
moved two instead, which is a kind of serious mis-count, even larger in
magnitude than mistaking 5 for 6.

IIRC, after the Oklahoma City bombing, news services reported that two
(unexploded) explosive devices were removed from what was left of the
building; later they said that was a miscount, the correct number was
zero, not two.

So if we can believe the news stories, it would seem that people make
this kind of counting error all the time.

>

Re: [Vo]:2008 "leftovers"



Stephen 


> IIRC the final official story was that there were never six to start with, 
> somebody just miscounted  What?  They can't even count to *six*??  Well, 
> it didn't sound quite that stupid in the original version.  The missiles were 
> in two pods which could contain three each, but one pod only contained 2; the 
>  original "six" number came from multiplying the pod capacity by the number 
> of pods (2*3) rather than actually counting missiles 


Well - here is what a pod looks like:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/AGM-129_on_a_B-52.JPG


... does anyone really think that any fool in the known universe could make 
that kind of counting error?

Re: [Vo]:2008 "leftovers"

2009-01-08 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence

IIRC the final official story was that there were never six to start
with, somebody just miscounted.

What?  They can't even count to *six*??  Well, it didn't sound quite
that stupid in the original version.  The missiles were in two pods
which could contain three each, but one pod only contained 2; the
original "six" number came from multiplying the pod capacity by the
number of pods (2*3) rather than actually counting missiles (which
weren't there anymore anyway, they were hundreds of miles away by that
time).

Anyhow that's how I understood it.

Still didn't make a whole lot of sense, it's true, but it still made
more sense than the notion that they'd try to stage a strike against
Iran by flying nukes all over the Midwest while totally violating all
the Air Force's own rules about nuke handling.  Surely they could have
handled the whole thing with material that was already off-shore.  I
mean, what ever happened to Diego Garcia and places like that?

Jones Beene wrote:
> Anyone every hear the spin of what happened to the "missing nuke"?
> 
> Remember the fiasco of the B-52 bomber from Minot ND? ... which,
> according to reports there, had six armed nuclear cruise missile
> loaded onto it "by accident", but was found the next day, unguarded,
> with only five.
> 
> Hey, I know its only "one", silly me, but even Pentagon accountants
> make few numerical mistakes till they get over ten of anything
>

Re: [Vo]:2008 "leftovers"

Update:

> Anyone every hear the spin of what happened to the "missing nuke"? ... 
> Remember the fiasco of the B-52 bomber from Minot ND? ... which, according to 
> reports there, had six armed nuclear cruise missile loaded onto it "by 
> accident", but was found the next day, unguarded, with only five.

Got this message privately:

Minot AFB officer to face court-martial (10 Dec 2008)

A Minot Air Force Base officer accused of stealing a missile  launch control 
device will face a court-martial, the military said. Capt.  Paul Borowiecki, 
who was a missile combat crew member assigned to the  base’s 91st Missile Wing, 
is accused of taking the launch control device  in July 2005, rather than 
destroying it as required when it was no longer  in use. The Air Force also 
said Borowiecki told officials that another  officer had lied in saying he 
destroyed a launch component. That  device remains missing. That other officer, 
whose name has  not been released, has not been charged.

[As you know there is a "secret code" and procedure, which is needed to explode 
any "lost nuke" so ostensibly the one missing from Minot in 2007 could not be 
detonated without reverse engineering a "launch control device"]

[This court marshal over such an aitem ... could be coincidental to the lost 
nuke of course]

Item #2 

Air Force brigadier general dies of gunshot wound  (28 Jul 2008) 

Air  Force brigadier general Thomas L. Tinsley died of a gunshot wound a 
spokesman said Monday. "To the best information, it's possible it was a 
self-inflicted gunshot wound," spokesperson Walberg told a news conference. 

General Tinsley's previous 22-month assignment was executive officer to Air 
Force chief of staff, Gen. T. Michael "Buzz" Mosely, who in  June resigned 
under pressure in an agency shake-up. ["Fired" is a better description]

Defense Secretary  Robert M. Gates ousted both Mosely and Air Force Secretary 
Michael W. Wynne, the agency's civilian head, holding them accountable for 
failing to fully correct an erosion of nuclear-related  performance standards. 
One concern was a cross-country  flight in August 2007 of a B-52 carrying armed 
nuclear weapons.

Curious - here we are after all of this and there is still no clear story on 
the whereabouts of the lost nuke.

Those things must be fairly hard to hide?

[Vo]:Re: It's not Kansas anymore Toto. It's Wonderland!


A suit on behalf of Whole Foods Market to suppress a trial begins:

“Now for the evidence,” said the King. “And then the sentence.”

“No!” said the Queen. “First the sentence, and then the evidence.”

"The Defendant FTC has acted no less blatantly than the Queen of  
Hearts in violating both the Constitutional due process rights of  
Plaintiff Whole Foods Market, Inc."


http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/? 
ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20081208006473&newsLang=en


http://tinyurl.com/9ol39e

Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

[Vo]:It's not Kansas anymore Toto. It's Wonderland!


A suit on behalf of Whole Foods Market to suppress a trial begins:

“Now for the evidence,” said the King. “And then the sentence.”

“No!” said the Queen. “First the sentence, and then the evidence.”

"The Defendant FTC has acted no less blatantly than the Queen of  
Hearts in violating both the Constitutional due process rights of  
Plaintiff Whole Foods Market, Inc."


Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

[Vo]:2008 "leftovers"

Anyone every hear the spin of what happened to the "missing nuke"?

Remember the fiasco of the B-52 bomber from Minot ND? ... which, according to 
reports there, had
six armed nuclear cruise missile loaded onto it "by accident", but was found 
the next day, unguarded, with only five.

Hey, I know its only "one", silly me, but even Pentagon accountants make few 
numerical mistakes till they get over ten of anything

Re: [Vo]:BLP announces 2nd Commercial license

2009-01-08 Thread Ron Wormus


Lots of "REA's" own & operate their own power plants. For example our local 
provider:

Ron

--On Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:52 AM -0600 OrionWorks 
 wrote:


Could we get a clarification on a particular matter:


From Mike Carrell:



... BLP would like to have water-fueld power units on line in a
commercial setting in the near future.


and


... These cooperatives are
entrepreneural and make thier own rules to a large extent.
They buy power from established utilities and distribute it to
members of the cooperative. A first-generation BLP power unit
of any significant capacity can be hooked into the local
system at low risk and a decrease in the outside power bought.


I infer from Mike's comment that these obscure rural cooperatives will
attempt to construct their own modest power generating prototype,
presumably for analysis and POC, initially. Do these rural
cooperatives possess sufficient experience in building their own power
generators? The reason I ask this is due to the fact that Mike also
states these cooperatives "...buy power from established utilities and
distribute it to members of the cooperative." That suggests to me that
these companies are more in the business of purchasing & packaging
power generated from other companies as compared to generating their
own power. Did I misunderstand the capabilities of these rural
cooperatives?

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

[Vo]:A repulsive Casimir force!



http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090107161422.htm

http://tinyurl.com/8godwj

Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

Re: [Vo]:OT: Pyramids - new school and old school.

2009-01-08 Thread R C Macaulay


Howdy Harry,
Yea!, those ole Fairios sorta kept it in the family so the story  goes.. 
helps reduce costs and space needed to build pyramids. When yur bro is yo 
dad and.. well ..err. makes East Texas seem normal.. anybuddy ever check da 
mummies for 9 toes?
And Wall Street appoints the Treasury Secretary and the head of SEC.. hmmm. 
Now I'm getting interest and incest mixed up.

Richard



Finance Capitalists don't need slaves to build their debt pyramids...but
then again modern scholarship has shown that the Pharaoh's didn't need
slaves either to build their pyramids.

Harry

[Vo]:NYT on an alternative motor fuel