[Vo]:new platinum metals
see: A Chemist Comes Very Close to a Midas Touch: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/16/science/modern-day-alchemy-has-iron-working-like-platinum.html?pagewanted=all If confirmed, reconfirmed, extended, deepened and trivialized- it will be really useful. Palladium not mentioned (?) for time given. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Hunt Utilities Group calibration data
On 2012-10-15 20:58, Jed Rothwell wrote: See: http://www.hugnetlab.com/celani2/ These are the calibration graphs under Helium with the inert and the active (I think, since they received 3 meters of it recently) wires: http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/86-testcell2-data Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:new platinum metals
Dear Peter: See http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/01/02/820517/-Superatoms-Cheap-replacements-for-Platinum-and-Palladium Cheers: Axil On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: see: A Chemist Comes Very Close to a Midas Touch: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/16/science/modern-day-alchemy-has-iron-working-like-platinum.html?pagewanted=all If confirmed, reconfirmed, extended, deepened and trivialized- it will be really useful. Palladium not mentioned (?) for time given. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:new platinum metals
Dear Axil, These clusters are present in publications for more years. I was very enthusiastic thta for example you can make fake flour from aluminum. I have asked more famous chemists (one Nobelist, one the president of the Romanian academy- both my age approx) And both say, stability is the problem with clusters. This can change, obviously Peter On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Peter: See http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/01/02/820517/-Superatoms-Cheap-replacements-for-Platinum-and-Palladium Cheers: Axil On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.comwrote: see: A Chemist Comes Very Close to a Midas Touch: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/16/science/modern-day-alchemy-has-iron-working-like-platinum.html?pagewanted=all If confirmed, reconfirmed, extended, deepened and trivialized- it will be really useful. Palladium not mentioned (?) for time given. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:Meteorite in NW Louisiana
Looks like it might have been fairly significant: http://www.ksla.com/story/19828119/authorities-investigate-loud-boom http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/
Re: [Vo]:Meteorite in NW Louisiana
I saw a meteor a couple of nights ago to the west of my location here in Reno, Nv.. It was somewhat bright but not too, and lasted for maybe all of 3 to 4 seconds. It was traveling quite fast, like a meteor, and would likely have covered a distance of maybe 500 mi's or so. It (in)obviously appeared to have traveled in a NE to SW direction. It left *no* vapor trail and/or didn't appear to burn-up upon entering the atmosphere as would typically be expected. I've seen many so-called meteors over the years that left *no* vapor trail. One time, I saw one just as it was entering the atmosphere, very fast like a meteor, but quickly exploded, w/o any sound. On more than a half a dozen times, over the years, I saw the more obvious ones that burned w/ a bright greenish color, and/or traveled quite a distance and fizzled out with a white sparkler-like effect. All of the so-called meteors that I've seen over the years which didn't emit any vapor trail, appeared more (in)obviously as a Light being switched off, and not as a result of anything burning from any natural spin-off or exploded debris that was traveling around in space for millions or billions of years... To me, there's a big difference!. Looks like it might have been fairly significant: http://www.ksla.com/story/19828119/authorities-investigate-loud-boom http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ /HTML
[Vo]:November Issue Discovery- Bring Back Cold Fusion article
Greetings Vortex, A nicely done website: http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llc-article-re-widomlarsen-lenr-theory-in-nov-2012-discover-magazineoct-6-2012 Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex Note: November issue Discovery magazine cites: Bushnell, Zadwodny as well as Larson s Lattice Energy Corporation-2 pages.
[Vo]:Remember Russ George and Planktos?
Well, they are in the news again: http://io9.com/5952101/a-massive-and-illegal-geoengineering-project-has-been-detected-off-canadas-west-coast A massive and illegal geoengineering project has been detected off Canada’s west coast George Dvorsky A private company backed by a controversial U.S. businessman has unilaterally conducted the world's most significant geoengineering project to date. Russ George, in conjunction with a First Nations village on Haida Gwaii, has dumped around 100 tonnes of iron sulphate into the Pacific Ocean in a technique known as ocean fertilization. The experiment, which is in violation of two United Nations moratoria, has outraged environmental, legal, and civic groups. more
[Vo]:Graphene-based 3D sponge-like material is useful for supercapacitors
http://beforeitsnews.com/science-and-technology/2012/10/graphene-based-3d-sponge-like-material-is-useful-for-supercapacitors-2481008.html Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/
[Vo]:Pordenone Report
Daniel Passerini completes his four part report: http://goo.gl/I7LWc (Googtran)
Re: [Vo]:Hunt Utilities Group calibration data
They got wired yesterday: http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/68-wires-incoming
Re: [Vo]:Hunt Utilities Group calibration data
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: They got wired yesterday: http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/68-wires-incoming The images show a lot of flakes coming off the Celani wire inside the plastic.
Re: [Vo]:Hunt Utilities Group calibration data
From Terry: They got wired yesterday: http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/68-wires-incoming I confess that I'm educationally challenged on the significance of what I'm viewing. Can someone give a layman's explanation as to what these wires or filaments mean? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Hunt Utilities Group calibration data
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:21 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From Terry: They got wired yesterday: http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/68-wires-incoming I confess that I'm educationally challenged on the significance of what I'm viewing. Can someone give a layman's explanation as to what these wires or filaments mean? It's the treated wire from Celani. The miracle treatment makes New Fire.
Re: [Vo]:Hunt Utilities Group calibration data
From Terry: They got wired yesterday: http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/68-wires-incoming I confess that I'm educationally challenged on the significance of what I'm viewing. Can someone give a layman's explanation as to what these wires or filaments mean? It's the treated wire from Celani. The miracle treatment makes New Fire. Thanks for the qwk response. I had gathered the fact that these filaments had allegedly been generating a lot more heat than they ought to be capable of doing. Is there sufficient data in the public domain at this point to determine x'actly how much excess heat might have been generated from these filaments. ...or is that what the peanut gallery is patiently waiting for. ;-) Has it been determined how hot theses filaments get? The flakes one can observe suggest the process is somewhat destructive by nature, which I'd think wouldn't be good for commercial purposes of building sustainable heat devices that work for an indefinite period.. I wonder if there is a practical economic work-around. Incidentally, how much filament was used? i.e. length. anybody know? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Hunt Utilities Group calibration data
On 2012-10-16 19:37, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Incidentally, how much filament was used? i.e. length. anybody know? They are about to receive 3x 1m wires. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Hunt Utilities Group calibration data
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-10-16 19:37, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Incidentally, how much filament was used? i.e. length. anybody know? They are about to receive 3x 1m wires. They received them yesterday. See the link above. Steven, here is Celani's report: http://www.22passi.it/downloads/PresICCF17_NewA3A.pdf He has tested the wire up to 900 deg C.
Re: [Vo]:Hunt Utilities Group calibration data
Steven, here is Celani's report: http://www.22passi.it/downloads/PresICCF17_NewA3A.pdf He has tested the wire up to 900 deg C. Got it. Printing out a HC as we speak. Hmmm... lots of tiny print. Oh well... I still know how to read. Thanks for indulging me Terry. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Hunt Utilities Group calibration data
On 2012-10-16 19:45, Terry Blanton wrote: Steven, here is Celani's report: http://www.22passi.it/downloads/PresICCF17_NewA3A.pdf This version is better: http://www.22passi.it/downloads/Celani_ICCF17_Trasp3.pdf Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Hunt Utilities Group calibration data
From Akira: ... This version is better: http://www.22passi.it/downloads/Celani_ICCF17_Trasp3.pdf Cheers, S.A. Oh, Oh Look! Look at Print. Big Big print! Read read Big Print! The dyslexic within me thanks you, Akira. Going to kill another tree now. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Hunt Utilities Group calibration data
Great news. I suspect that this effort will pay off handsomely in our efforts to advance LENR products. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:56 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hunt Utilities Group calibration data They got wired yesterday: http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/68-wires-incoming
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
Last evening I made a smaller version of the electrolysis bath and the nickel overheated and melted the plastic container at the contact point again as it was sparking and spitting. The heat may be the result of joule heating or some other process as the current (3 amps for this test) is concentrated to a small region of the nickel due to a heavy coating of some unknown thick white material over most of its surface . Since I want to experiment further along this interesting line, I need to use a more robust container that does not melt at the temperatures encountered. I found a small glass jar that measures 2 inches diameter by 4 inches high and placed the electrodes within. After I had started the electrolysis, I began to think of safety from gas explosion. This system is capable of capturing hydrogen much better that the old open ones before since the walls are higher and the exit path narrow in proportion. I know that I will have sparks and small flames as with the open system so now I would like to know if there is significant danger of explosion. Is anyone aware of reports of a relatively low volume open to the air glass cell exploding and causing injury or damage to the surroundings? Most of the jar volume will likely be filled with a mix of hydrogen and oxygen plus room air. I have not calculated the amount of energy contained within the captured hydrogen since a bad calculation could be dangerous. Please give me guidance before I reconnect this beast as it now is on standby. Dave -Original Message- From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:45 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started One final note that I want to include. I allowed the experiment to go into the unusual mode for the third time and made some measurements. The electrolyte was boiling as in the first two observations and I also noted sparks being emitted. Unfortunately, I let the system become too hot and it melted the bottom of my test container allowing the electrolyte to leak out. After this episode, I obtained a smaller container and started another round of testing. I will need to compete another calibration before useful data can be obtained. A most interesting afternoon. Dave -Original Message- From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started I have an interesting addition to this report. After I cleaned up the deposits and added water and electrolyte I let my experiment continue electrolysis. The effect happened again with some interesting differences. I noticed that the thin layer that coated the electrolyte bath came in the form of small floating islands about the size of a standard pencil lead. These came together to form a film over the surface. A much thicker deposit formed upon the active nickel that is like a form of crust. Then I noticed that sparks were being emitted from the edge of the active nickel! The sparks came intermittently and the intensity of the sparks varied. I saw actual flames on rare occasions which had me alarmed. Perhaps this is caused by the hydrogen becoming ignited at that electrode. The water between electrodes was at boiling temperature. I noticed that the supply voltage was varying by a large degree in the fashion of bubble bursting which could be due to the reduced path for ions to the nickel that is now covered with the white hard deposit. Next, I tapped the deposit mostly off of the nickels and added water to the bath. The surface deposit was stirred up so that things are returning toward normal. There still remains a layer of the white deposit on the top of the active nickel from which bubbles of hydrogen are exiting. This experiment is getting more interesting all the time. I hope to get to the bottom of the observations, but I have no idea what is occurring. Dave -Original Message- From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:54 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started I had an exciting afternoon. I replaced my control nickel with the 40 plus hour heat treated one that resembles an old penny now and began electrolysis. The reading of voltage was a bit unusual after the first hour of operation so I replenished the water and added a little additional sodium carbonate to allow the system to reach equilibrium. Just before I started to make the standard readings after approximately an hour of additional electrolysis a friend called me on the telephone so I was diverted. We spoke for I would guess about half an hour until line noise convinced me to go upstairs to accept another call. Both of us changed telephones but the noise was still bad as we continued our conversation. Perhaps 30 minutes later we finished the call and I went back to make
Re: [Vo]:Meteorite in NW Louisiana
So anyway, whenever you happen to hear of a loud sonic boom that may or may not have been associated with a Meteorite entering the astmosphere, it might have only been caused by a next-door neighbor's clumsyness, or some accident-prone person just trying to do some everyday ordinary unfamiliar thing, or maybe it was a worn out vehicle or motorcycle that backfired, or maybe a Terrorist moved in across the street and hasn't quite refined his Bomb making skills, or maybe it's Our Great Wanabe Dictator BO stinking up the dumb gullible Whitie House, as he plans to suck it and this Country dry, and/or the entire world.. this man (?) really sucks Ha Ha! Whatever the case, you should remember that it's our nature to take great comfort in all the sounds in this natural world, and/or the disasterous catastrophic obtrusive chaotic loud yakity rakity spine-shivering rather horrific noise that ourkind tends to make (tee hee). /HTML
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
At 11:30 AM 10/16/2012, David Roberson wrote: I know that I will have sparks and small flames as with the open system so now I would like to know if there is significant danger of explosion. Is anyone aware of reports of a relatively low volume open to the air glass cell exploding and causing injury or damage to the surroundings? Most of the jar volume will likely be filled with a mix of hydrogen and oxygen plus room air. I have not calculated the amount of energy contained within the captured hydrogen since a bad calculation could be dangerous. Please give me guidance before I reconnect this beast as it now is on standby. This paper looks at various combinations http://conference.ing.unipi.it/ichs2005/Papers/120001.pdf H2-Air -- lower explosion limit is 4.3 mole% H2 H2-O -- lower explosion limit is 4 mole% H2 Can you put in a baffle or something to keep the H and O separate? Maybe a U-tube would be better than a jar.
[Vo]:Popular Science article Andrea Rossi's Black Box
I got a chance to read this article. It is mostly about Rossi, and only a little about other researchers. It is mostly a human interest story about Rossi and his many annoying quirks and habits. After the author went all the way to Italy to interview Rossi, Rossi abruptly cancelled. Then argued for a day, then un-cancelled and met. It sounds typical of Rossi. Then the author went to meet and interview some skeptics who knew nothing about cold fusion. They dismissed researchers as a bunch of no-account amateurs. They apparently have not read anything and they know nothing about the results. They dismiss the claims because the heat far exceeds the limits of chemistry. That is the very reason the researchers think the effect is real! The seem unaware of the contradiction. I think it is a waste of time talking to such people, but I am glad their views have been published in the mass media. The last section describes a visit with Celani before he went to Texas. It is generally positive. There are no technical details in this article. There are some mistakes, such as the claim that Rossi's degree is from Kensington U. in California. That is a fake PhD. He has a genuine engineering degree from an Italian university. (I do not recall which one.) There is no doubt that Rossi is a skilled, accomplished engineer with many important inventions to his name, including some lucrative ones such as his biofuel Diesel engines. The author of this article attended the Williamsburg conference and was surprised that no one there flat out called Rossi a scammer. I think he failed to understand it is no great leap for the people at that conference to accept that Rossi is probably right. It is no big deal. Just about everyone at that conference has seen the cold fusion effect first-hand, including me. We have no doubt at all that cold fusion itself is real. We also think it is likely the Ni-H version works. A lot of us (including me) respect Piantelli and Focardi. Based on that, it is reasonable to conclude that Rossi's claims are probably true. His tests have been ludicrous as everyone knows, but convincing nonetheless. The very same thing can be said for the light water tests by Patterson. Rossi is a terribly annoying prima donna, but so is Arata, and so were many other important scientists and other important people in history. Such as Gen. George Custer and Gen. George Patton. They were both superb generals, but they were such out-of-control egomanics and jerks that Custer got himself and his men killed for no reason, and Patton almost got himself fired for slapping a soldier in a hospital. You do not want to judge Rossi's claims with reference to Rossi's personality or his legal problems. The guy makes more trouble for himself than anyone I have ever encountered, with the possible exception of Russ George who is apparently conducting a gigantic illegal experiment in the ocean. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
As others have pointed out, the only safe answer is to treat all electrolysis experiments with respect, doing them with adequate ventilation, whether that means under a fume hood or outdoors or the like. Of course we may break these rules and get away with many things, up until the unfortunate moment when we don't get away with it. Jeff On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 11:30 AM 10/16/2012, David Roberson wrote: I know that I will have sparks and small flames as with the open system so now I would like to know if there is significant danger of explosion. Is anyone aware of reports of a relatively low volume open to the air glass cell exploding and causing injury or damage to the surroundings? Most of the jar volume will likely be filled with a mix of hydrogen and oxygen plus room air. I have not calculated the amount of energy contained within the captured hydrogen since a bad calculation could be dangerous. Please give me guidance before I reconnect this beast as it now is on standby. This paper looks at various combinations http://conference.ing.unipi.it/ichs2005/Papers/120001.pdf H2-Air -- lower explosion limit is 4.3 mole% H2 H2-O -- lower explosion limit is 4 mole% H2 Can you put in a baffle or something to keep the H and O separate? Maybe a U-tube would be better than a jar.
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
would two jars connented by a wire work? http://www.water4gasstore.com/product-p/dmjs002.htm Cheers:Axil On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 11:30 AM 10/16/2012, David Roberson wrote: I know that I will have sparks and small flames as with the open system so now I would like to know if there is significant danger of explosion. Is anyone aware of reports of a relatively low volume open to the air glass cell exploding and causing injury or damage to the surroundings? Most of the jar volume will likely be filled with a mix of hydrogen and oxygen plus room air. I have not calculated the amount of energy contained within the captured hydrogen since a bad calculation could be dangerous. Please give me guidance before I reconnect this beast as it now is on standby. This paper looks at various combinations http://conference.ing.unipi.it/ichs2005/Papers/120001.pdf H2-Air -- lower explosion limit is 4.3 mole% H2 H2-O -- lower explosion limit is 4 mole% H2 Can you put in a baffle or something to keep the H and O separate? Maybe a U-tube would be better than a jar.
Re: [Vo]:Popular Science article Andrea Rossi's Black Box
Somewhere I've seen that's a master of sciences, which back then was the maximum degree, I think. 2012/10/16 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Rossi's degree is from U. Milan: http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3197200.ece/BINARY/Rossi_degree_University_Milan.pdf Not a PhD, but I gather it is somewhat more than a B.A. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Meteorite in NW Louisiana
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like it might have been fairly significant: http://www.ksla.com/story/19828119/authorities-investigate-loud-boom http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ A significant underground black powder bunker: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/military-explosion-shakes-louisiana-article-1.1184633
[Vo]:Cracks me up
When I read vortex, Google is constantly trying to sell me a Ford Fusion. If only ... ;-)
Re: [Vo]:Graphene-based 3D sponge-like material is useful for supercapacitors
I hope this works. I recently looked into powering my bicycle. 1. 2 cycle 50 cc engine. $120. Cheep! The two cycle engine has a limited speed rage in which it delivers power. It tried one of these. It either goes fast 10 to 15 MPH or does not go at all. 2. 4 cycle 50 cc engine $400. More cost! The 4 cycle engine has a little less power but a wider range of speed. It. It will go slower when you need to negotiate obstacles. 3. Electric lead acid. Cost $400. Same as the 4 cycle engine. The batteries are heavy and will go only a few miles if they have to climb a slight grade. You will need a better kick stand to hold the bicycle up. 4. Electric Lithium ion. Cost $1,000 Very much cost for a simple bicycle. Will go 40 miles on the flat. I concluded the internal combustion engine is cheep and an equivalent electric has a long way to go in reducing costs even for a bicycle. Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:30 pm Subject: [Vo]:Graphene-based 3D sponge-like material is useful for supercapacitors http://beforeitsnews.com/science-and-technology/2012/10/graphene-based-3d-sponge-like-material-is-useful-for-supercapacitors-2481008.html Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
Thanks Alan, I became chicken and decided to find an alternate container. The local grocery store had pyrex storage containers that were relatively small and flat so I got one and am using it. I was worried about the hydrogen collection with a ready ignition source. Dave -Original Message- From: Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 16, 2012 3:30 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started At 11:30 AM 10/16/2012, David Roberson wrote: I knowthat I will have sparks and small flames as with the open system so now Iwould like to know if there is significant danger of explosion. Isanyone aware of reports of a relatively low volume open to the air glasscell exploding and causing injury or damage to the surroundings? Most of the jar volume will likely be filled with a mix of hydrogenand oxygen plus room air. I have not calculated the amount ofenergy contained within the captured hydrogen since a bad calculationcould be dangerous. Please give me guidance before I reconnect thisbeast as it now is on standby. This paper looks at various combinations http://conference.ing.unipi.it/ichs2005/Papers/120001.pdf H2-Air -- lower explosion limit is 4.3 mole% H2 H2-O -- lower explosion limit is 4 mole% H2 Can you put in a baffle or something to keep the H and O separate? Maybe a U-tube would be better than a jar.
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
I finally obtained a safe alternative that is working at the moment. I am getting sparks and all. Thanks for the idea. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 16, 2012 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started would two jars connented by a wire work? http://www.water4gasstore.com/product-p/dmjs002.htm Cheers:Axil On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 11:30 AM 10/16/2012, David Roberson wrote: I knowthat I will have sparks and small flames as with the open system so now Iwould like to know if there is significant danger of explosion. Isanyone aware of reports of a relatively low volume open to the air glasscell exploding and causing injury or damage to the surroundings? Most of the jar volume will likely be filled with a mix of hydrogenand oxygen plus room air. I have not calculated the amount ofenergy contained within the captured hydrogen since a bad calculationcould be dangerous. Please give me guidance before I reconnect thisbeast as it now is on standby. This paper looks at various combinations http://conference.ing.unipi.it/ichs2005/Papers/120001.pdf H2-Air -- lower explosion limit is 4.3 mole% H2 H2-O -- lower explosion limit is 4 mole% H2 Can you put in a baffle or something to keep the H and O separate? Maybe a U-tube would be better than a jar.
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
David, I never had any problems either with an open system or a closed system. Just remember that hydrogen like to burn straight up, so if running covered, be sure the cover can be easily removed upward. When I ran closed, I used a large cork at the top, and all the gasses tended to recombine it the space between the top and the liquid. Since you have already saw a flame and sparks, you might want to submerge the jar in a water bath for a calorimetry measurements as well as to provide some safety. Just be careful, be prepared and use your better judgement. Best Regards, Chuck On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 2:30 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Last evening I made a smaller version of the electrolysis bath and the nickel overheated and melted the plastic container at the contact point again as it was sparking and spitting. The heat may be the result of joule heating or some other process as the current (3 amps for this test) is concentrated to a small region of the nickel due to a heavy coating of some unknown thick white material over most of its surface . Since I want to experiment further along this interesting line, I need to use a more robust container that does not melt at the temperatures encountered. I found a small glass jar that measures 2 inches diameter by 4 inches high and placed the electrodes within. After I had started the electrolysis, I began to think of safety from gas explosion. This system is capable of capturing hydrogen much better that the old open ones before since the walls are higher and the exit path narrow in proportion. I know that I will have sparks and small flames as with the open system so now I would like to know if there is significant danger of explosion. Is anyone aware of reports of a relatively low volume open to the air glass cell exploding and causing injury or damage to the surroundings? Most of the jar volume will likely be filled with a mix of hydrogen and oxygen plus room air. I have not calculated the amount of energy contained within the captured hydrogen since a bad calculation could be dangerous. Please give me guidance before I reconnect this beast as it now is on standby. Dave -Original Message- From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:45 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started One final note that I want to include. I allowed the experiment to go into the unusual mode for the third time and made some measurements. The electrolyte was boiling as in the first two observations and I also noted sparks being emitted. Unfortunately, I let the system become too hot and it melted the bottom of my test container allowing the electrolyte to leak out. After this episode, I obtained a smaller container and started another round of testing. I will need to compete another calibration before useful data can be obtained. A most interesting afternoon. Dave -Original Message- From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started I have an interesting addition to this report. After I cleaned up the deposits and added water and electrolyte I let my experiment continue electrolysis. The effect happened again with some interesting differences. I noticed that the thin layer that coated the electrolyte bath came in the form of small floating islands about the size of a standard pencil lead. These came together to form a film over the surface. A much thicker deposit formed upon the active nickel that is like a form of crust. Then I noticed that sparks were being emitted from the edge of the active nickel! The sparks came intermittently and the intensity of the sparks varied. I saw actual flames on rare occasions which had me alarmed. Perhaps this is caused by the hydrogen becoming ignited at that electrode. The water between electrodes was at boiling temperature. I noticed that the supply voltage was varying by a large degree in the fashion of bubble bursting which could be due to the reduced path for ions to the nickel that is now covered with the white hard deposit. Next, I tapped the deposit mostly off of the nickels and added water to the bath. The surface deposit was stirred up so that things are returning toward normal. There still remains a layer of the white deposit on the top of the active nickel from which bubbles of hydrogen are exiting. This experiment is getting more interesting all the time. I hope to get to the bottom of the observations, but I have no idea what is occurring. Dave -Original Message- From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:54 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started I had an exciting afternoon. I replaced my control nickel with the 40 plus hour heat treated one
Re: [Vo]:Meteorite in NW Louisiana
Black powder? I melted down my 6 pounder a long time ago when smokeless came on line. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:25 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Meteorite in NW Louisiana On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like it might have been fairly significant: http://www.ksla.com/story/19828119/authorities-investigate-loud-boom http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ A significant underground black powder bunker: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/military-explosion-shakes-louisiana-article-1.1184633
Re: [Vo]:Meteorite in NW Louisiana
Sounds relatively harmless to me...I am worried about some of that dark
stuff orbiting into a nuclear spent fuel pool
The bayou corrne sinkhole/seismic has stuff bubbling up 50 miles away.
Many people will probably never be let back in their homes.
On Tuesday, October 16, 2012, David Roberson wrote:
Black powder? I melted down my 6 pounder a long time ago when smokeless
came on line.
Dave
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On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
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Looks like it might have been fairly significant:
http://www.ksla.com/story/19828119/authorities-investigate-loud-boom
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/
A significant underground black powder bunker:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/military-explosion-shakes-louisiana-article-1.1184633
Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized
So, let me get this straight. So, Bill Gates quits his schooling to start Microsoft. Invested his savings into the venture. Worked hard day and night to perfect his software. Works long days to market his software. Used his skill and charisma to win an account with IBM, gets lucky and makes a Billion. But it did not stopped there. He worked long hours at Microsoft. Poured his heart out. Exhausted every skill. Worked very hard to build a credible software company, outcompeting every other competitor. Now, he is harvesting the fruits of his labor, and some idiot comes along and says he is not working hard, and wants to redistribute his money hard earned thru charisma, luck and hard work. Yeah, that's right, Bill Gates DID NOT work hard for his money. OK That's why I despise socialists and communists. They just want to steal the fruits of your labor. It's a retrograde and thieving philosophy hatched out of the minds of lazy bums. Jojo - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized How does one measure hard work? How much harder does Bill Gates work in comparison to someone who works two jobs at minimum wage? Do you seriously he imagine he works 100 times harder if his income is 100 times greater? Do you believe a man with backhoe works 100 times harder than a man with shovel? Harry On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: This idea that poverty is the root cause of criminality is at best naive and at worst moronic. This can only come from the liberal minds of socialistic/communistic people who think that Income Redistribution is the panacea for all societal ills. My friend, stealing from people who work hard for their income and redistribute it to lazy bums will not cure sociatal ills. You are smarter than to believe in that solution. Let's take a real life example. The United States has more felons and criminals on a per capita basis than any other country in the world, including such 4th world countries like the Philippines who are poverty stricken to the core. The United States is flushed in food and resources and conveniences, and yet manage to produce more criminals and felons than any other country. Please, I would like to hear your explanation why the US has more criminals than the Philippines (on a per capita basis). Jojo PS. The root cause of crime is not poverty. but rather the inherent sin and rebellion in the hearts of a glutonous, rebellious and lazy society. - Original Message - From: Jouni Valkonen To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized I would think that only way to combat this problem is to eliminate poverty from the society. About 95% of the criminality is due to unjust distribution of wealth. This is not that individual humans would resort into criminality if they fail to find job due to high unemployment rates, but because children are crown in the conditions where no children should be allowed to live. Best way to eliminate poverty is to set zero income level for each individuals into 1000-2000 dollars per month. This can be done quite easily by distributing income more justly. When there is no scarcity of the basic needs, there won't be breeding grounds for violent gangs and violent larger scale religions, because every child will get a proper and free education.
Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized
JoJo, I like it. On Wednesday, October 3, 2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: So, let me get this straight. So, Bill Gates quits his schooling to start Microsoft. Invested his savings into the venture. Worked hard day and night to perfect his software. Works long days to market his software. Used his skill and charisma to win an account with IBM, gets lucky and makes a Billion. But it did not stopped there. He worked long hours at Microsoft. Poured his heart out. Exhausted every skill. Worked very hard to build a credible software company, outcompeting every other competitor. Now, he is harvesting the fruits of his labor, and some idiot comes along and says he is not working hard, and wants to redistribute his money hard earned thru charisma, luck and hard work. Yeah, that's right, Bill Gates DID NOT work hard for his money. OK That's why I despise socialists and communists. They just want to steal the fruits of your labor. It's a retrograde and thieving philosophy hatched out of the minds of lazy bums. Jojo - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized How does one measure hard work? How much harder does Bill Gates work in comparison to someone who works two jobs at minimum wage? Do you seriously he imagine he works 100 times harder if his income is 100 times greater? Do you believe a man with backhoe works 100 times harder than a man with shovel? Harry On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: This idea that poverty is the root cause of criminality is at best naive and at worst moronic. This can only come from the liberal minds of socialistic/communistic people who think that Income Redistribution is the panacea for all societal ills. My friend, stealing from people who work hard for their income and redistribute it to lazy bums will not cure sociatal ills. You are smarter than to believe in that solution. Let's take a real life example. The United States has more felons and criminals on a per capita basis than any other country in the world, including such 4th world countries like the Philippines who are poverty stricken to the core. The United States is flushed in food and resources and conveniences, and yet manage to produce more criminals and felons than any other country. Please, I would like to hear your explanation why the US has more criminals than the Philippines (on a per capita basis). Jojo PS. The root cause of crime is not poverty. but rather the inherent sin and rebellion in the hearts of a glutonous, rebellious and lazy society. - Original Message - From: Jouni Valkonen To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized I would think that only way to combat this problem is to eliminate poverty from the society. About 95% of the criminality is due to unjust distribution of wealth. This is not that individual humans would resort into criminality if they fail to find job due to high unemployment rates, but because children are crown in the conditions where no children should be allowed to live. Best way to eliminate poverty is to set zero income level for each individuals into 1000-2000 dollars per month. This can be done quite easily by distributing income more justly. When there is no scarcity of the basic needs, there won't be breeding grounds for violent gangs and violent larger scale religions, because every child will get a proper and free education.
Re: [Vo]:Meteorite in NW Louisiana
I am confused. Are these two unrelated stories? It seems there was a meteorite and shortly after it passed -- purely by coincidence -- there was a large explosion, which was some sort of bunker on the ground. It wasn't like the meteorite whacked the bunker. Do I have that right? I read the accounts a few times but I don't get it. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized
Joro Jaro wrote: So, let me get this straight. So, Bill Gates quits his schooling to start Microsoft. . . . Now, he is harvesting the fruits of his labor, and some idiot comes along and says he is not working hard, and wants to redistribute his money hard earned thru charisma, luck and hard work. Yeah, that's right, Bill Gates DID NOT work hard for his money. OK That's why I despise socialists and communists. You have the story right. However, you did not say the name of the bum who wants to redistribute Gates' money. The guy who favors higher taxes on the rich, and who is campaigning to preserve the inheritance tax. That stinking bum is: Bill Gates Gates himself, along with many other self-made wealthy people, including Buffet and me, are in favor of modest redistribution tax policy. We think it is not fair that people like Buffet pay lower taxes than a secretary or a bus driver. We are not socialists or communists. We have a right to our opinions. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:35 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I finally obtained a safe alternative that is working at the moment. I am getting sparks and all. Thanks for the idea. Does anyone know if sparks are common? What is the amperage per cm^2? Eric
[Vo]:Hypothetically speaking ...
Ever since the Rossi demo 20 months ago - where the possibility arose that an unusual type of multiplier effect existed with nickel hydride, which both produced excess heat but also relied on input heat from an electric cartridge heater for continuity ... doubts have been cast on that basic M.O. (modus operandi) After all, if a reaction is gainful - then why would it need continuing electrical input at all? There are answers to this question - but they are not entirely satisfactory. Of course, there is also the claim that on occasion, the nickel-hydride reaction is self-sustaining for periods of time, which can vary from short to long. Consequently, we must surmise that the electrical input is necessary to maintain a threshold condition for those times when the instantaneous gain drops below a certain average gain and the time constant for sustainability is more rapid than expected. If the threshold (trigger temperature) is the point to stay above, since an rapid quenching condition results below it - and during less robust periods, should it not be maintained, it is impossible to recover... then what we are talking about is the need for some type of thermal momentum to average out what is really a highly variable gain, and one with hidden rapid consequences. An interesting question, then, is why not dispense with ALL ELECTRICAL INPUT, at least in the design of one specific experiment, using an insulated kiln for the heat source. Since we are looking for sustainability only in this experiment, and not the details of operation, we can dispense with almost everything else as well. No thermocouples or plumbing, no valves or fancy reactor - just a pipe filled with nickel nanopowder mix, a hydride for the hydrogen - evacuated and sealed... then placed into a hot kiln where we will have perhaps a hundred pounds of preheated mass (for thermal momentum). Once the trigger condition for gain from nickel-hydride has been met in the sealed pipe, gas to the kiln is turned off - with the expectation that the gain from the pipe, along with the thermal momentum from the large mass of hot refractory bricks - will continue to maintain the average gain, thus providing continuity for a much longer period than expected. A month or two of continuous operation of the kiln with no input should remove all doubt. Jones attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized
On 10/16/2012 11:07 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Gates himself, along with many other self-made wealthy people, including Buffet and me, are in favor of modest redistribution tax policy. We think it is not fair that people like Buffet pay lower taxes than a secretary or a bus driver. We are not socialists or communists. We have a right to our opinions. If you keep bringing up politics, then I have to keep challenging you on it. 'People like Buffet' pay lower income tax rates because their income is generally based on capital gains. This is not the same kind of an income as that of a bus driver, for these reasons: 1) A bus driver's income is consistent from year to year. A person who lives on capital gains, does not have a stable income. Frequently, years go by when he loses money. 2) Capital gains is not indexed for inflation. So, say there is a 7.2% inflation rate. If a piece of capital is held for ten years, and if it doubles in value over those ten years, then there is no increase in wealth over the increase created from the inflation rate. Yet, if the capital is sold, then it will incur a 15% tax rate on the difference in value from the purchase price and the sale price. So, in effect, the capital will be sold for the same price as that for which it was paid, and yet the owner will still pay a 15% tax on the difference in price. This is an effective loss, for which the owner is taxed. The two forms of income cannot be compared, and yet people still want to try. Sometimes, people will say that some of the wealthiest people pay no taxes, but what they are referring to is the special case that occurs when some people actually lose money over the course of a year. The US government has never had a wealth tax, and if wealth is lost during a year, then no tax is owed. The wealthiest Americans will frequently lose wealth during bad years, and pay no income tax. This is correct and expected. Buffet does not pay lower taxes. Rather, his tax rate cannot be compared to other forms of income in an honest fashion. Craig
Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized
Sure it can. I make such a comparison right here. http://pdxjjb-econ-politics.blogspot.com/2012/05/parable-of-smart-frugal.html It's not that your arguments are incorrect, but they are not very strong arguments, either. Jeff On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.comwrote: On 10/16/2012 11:07 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Gates himself, along with many other self-made wealthy people, including Buffet and me, are in favor of modest redistribution tax policy. We think it is not fair that people like Buffet pay lower taxes than a secretary or a bus driver. We are not socialists or communists. We have a right to our opinions. If you keep bringing up politics, then I have to keep challenging you on it. 'People like Buffet' pay lower income tax rates because their income is generally based on capital gains. This is not the same kind of an income as that of a bus driver, for these reasons: 1) A bus driver's income is consistent from year to year. A person who lives on capital gains, does not have a stable income. Frequently, years go by when he loses money. 2) Capital gains is not indexed for inflation. So, say there is a 7.2% inflation rate. If a piece of capital is held for ten years, and if it doubles in value over those ten years, then there is no increase in wealth over the increase created from the inflation rate. Yet, if the capital is sold, then it will incur a 15% tax rate on the difference in value from the purchase price and the sale price. So, in effect, the capital will be sold for the same price as that for which it was paid, and yet the owner will still pay a 15% tax on the difference in price. This is an effective loss, for which the owner is taxed. The two forms of income cannot be compared, and yet people still want to try. Sometimes, people will say that some of the wealthiest people pay no taxes, but what they are referring to is the special case that occurs when some people actually lose money over the course of a year. The US government has never had a wealth tax, and if wealth is lost during a year, then no tax is owed. The wealthiest Americans will frequently lose wealth during bad years, and pay no income tax. This is correct and expected. Buffet does not pay lower taxes. Rather, his tax rate cannot be compared to other forms of income in an honest fashion. Craig
Re: [Vo]:Sci. Am. comments on documentary The Believers
No Tweets from 137 tonite of the first premiere. The Chicago Sun Times picks up on what James Martinez said about cold fusion being the key to liberating the human race!!! here's news from days ago.. Chicago Sun Times Films to See During the Chicago festival's first week by Bill Stamets October 11, 2012 http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/movies/15684755-421/films-to-see-during-the-chicago-festivals-first-week.html The Believers (USA), 8 p.m.: Documentaries on the history of science are rare. Chicago directors Clayton Brown and Monica Long Ross, with backing from the Richard H. Driehaus Fund, go back to an infamous 1989 press conference at the University of Utah, when scientists Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons claimed their experiments proved cold fusion could generate power from water. Instead of delving into the bad physics, the film focuses on celebrity and career. Also unanswered: Why believe faulty experiments are the key to liberating the human race? Also, 2 p.m. Oct. 20. Chicago filmmakers on The Believers http://www.wgntv.com/news/wgntv-chicago-filmmakers-on-the-believers-20121011,0,4999250.story TVNews puts video together with historical footage, and presumably clips from The Believers, with video of the directors talking about the importance of understanding the science all around us. On 10/15/12 3:01 PM, Robert Dorr wrote: Jed, I see where Mary YouKnow got her 2 cents in. I actually think this may be a good documentary, and I stress the may be. Bob http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/psi-vid/2012/10/14/the-believers-cold-fusion-at-the-chicago-international-film-festival/ I get a bad feeling about this documentary. I don't like the trailer. - Jed -- Ruby Carat Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org http://www.coldfusionnow.org
