Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
Eric, I am running 3 amps of DC through my system. The sparks occur when the electrolyte is getting low, deposits are collecting on both nickels, and the supply voltage is varying a lot. I would guess that I am getting a couple of amps per square cm due to the deposits covering nickel area and many large bubbles as the electrolyte is boiling. There are sparks and bright yellow looking flashes that are very near or on the negative terminal connected nickel. I also see puffs of smoke rising after a large flash. These displays are quite interesting to watch. My supply most likely has a large capacitor connected across its output since I found that the two nickels will stick together with a bright flash if I allow them to touch when out of the cell. I wonder if the excess burst of energy due to capacitor discharge is evolved in the activity. This behavior appears every time I allow the electrolyte to boil until the cell is almost dry. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:43 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:35 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I finally obtained a safe alternative that is working at the moment. I am getting sparks and all. Thanks for the idea. Does anyone know if sparks are common? What is the amperage per cm^2? Eric
[Vo]:Hydrogen - Nickel Ion Studies (Non Metallic Reactants)
A new twist, Mates, http://experimental.site11.com/ http://ipdiscover.com/pipermail/newcandle_ipdiscover.com/2012-October/002123.html http://ipdiscover.com/pipermail/newcandle_ipdiscover.com/2012-October/002098.html http://ipdiscover.com/pipermail/newcandle_ipdiscover.com/2012-October/002128.html No cracks, holes, sponge, surface preparation, powder size usually associated with Ni metal. No metal. Can this be activated H chasing a naked Ni with evil thoughts in mend? Warm Regards, Reliable
Re: [Vo]:Hypothetically speaking ...
I agree with you that a demonstration that lasts for a couple of months would be great and maybe one day we will observe it. Rossi stated in earlier posts that his ECAT would self destruct if the temperature reached beyond a certain point. According to his journal entries it would melt and cease to function . If the ECAT device constitutes a positive feedback system then it exhibits certain characteristics during operation. One feature is that there likely will be a critical temperature at which the internally generated heat exactly matches the heat that is escaping through its surface. Any rise in temperature beyond this level will become self sustaining and continue to increase until something limits in the system. Earlier it was melting that stopped the activity and the device was ruined. Recently with the HOT CAT, it looks as though Rossi is depending upon surface radiation to keep the device from self destructing. If true, this is a major improvement in device protection but might not help with safety rules since the temperature would remain at a dangerous level until something comes along to quench it. The control of a positive feedback system might not be as simple as some think. I would hypothesize that these devices tend to exhibit some form of threshold below which they do not generate significant heat. This is murky at best with the limited information that we have been given. Once the threshold is passed, the heat power being internally generated has a positive temperature coefficient and is a function of the drive power. I would love to have the details of this functional relationship, but thus far it has been kept secret. The remainder of the system must have some thermal impedance to ambient that depends upon the structure and materials. This combination of function and impedance should cause another temperature to be defined at which the device becomes unstable. Here the device will behave like a feedback system with a gain of greater than 1 and in phase. It is my suspicion that Rossi is operating at a temperature above this second one where the device is unstable, but yet below the critical higher temperature where thermal run away occurs. If he gooses the device at a duty cycle, he can take advantage of the positive feedback behavior. This would allow him to exhibit a COP that is reasonable such as 6 and maintain control. The level of the drive needed to achieve this performance is in the vicinity of 1/3 of the output power. These numbers are mentioned within his journal in various locations. My discussion is based upon a simulation model since I have little else to call upon for details. The numbers appear to add up and that gives me confidence that the model may be fairly close to real life. One point, the drive heat source needs to be modulated at a fairly rapid rate which depends upon the ECAT internal time constants and design. A slow form of heat addition would not be capable of controlling the unit which eliminates using another ECAT for that purpose. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:46 pm Subject: [Vo]:Hypothetically speaking ... Ever since the Rossi demo 20 months ago - where the possibility arose that an unusual type of multiplier effect existed with nickel hydride, which both produced excess heat but also relied on input heat from an electric cartridge heater for continuity ... doubts have been cast on that basic M.O. (modus operandi) After all, if a reaction is gainful - then why would it need continuing electrical input at all? There are answers to this question - but they are not entirely satisfactory. Of course, there is also the claim that on occasion, the nickel-hydride reaction is self-sustaining for periods of time, which can vary from short to long. Consequently, we must surmise that the electrical input is necessary to maintain a threshold condition for those times when the instantaneous gain drops below a certain average gain and the time constant for sustainability is more rapid than expected. If the threshold (trigger temperature) is the point to stay above, since an rapid quenching condition results below it - and during less robust periods, should it not be maintained, it is impossible to recover... then what we are talking about is the need for some type of thermal momentum to average out what is really a highly variable gain, and one with hidden rapid consequences. An interesting question, then, is why not dispense with ALL ELECTRICAL INPUT, at least in the design of one specific experiment, using an insulated kiln for the heat source. Since we are looking for sustainability only in this experiment, and not the details of operation, we can dispense with almost everything else as well. No thermocouples or plumbing, no valves or fancy reactor - just a pipe filled with nickel nanopowder mix,
Re: [Vo]:Cracks me up
Confusion On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: When I read vortex, Google is constantly trying to sell me a Ford Fusion. If only ... ;-)
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
Dave, can you take some pictures and post? On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:26 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Eric, I am running 3 amps of DC through my system. The sparks occur when the electrolyte is getting low, deposits are collecting on both nickels, and the supply voltage is varying a lot. I would guess that I am getting a couple of amps per square cm due to the deposits covering nickel area and many large bubbles as the electrolyte is boiling. There are sparks and bright yellow looking flashes that are very near or on the negative terminal connected nickel. I also see puffs of smoke rising after a large flash. These displays are quite interesting to watch. My supply most likely has a large capacitor connected across its output since I found that the two nickels will stick together with a bright flash if I allow them to touch when out of the cell. I wonder if the excess burst of energy due to capacitor discharge is evolved in the activity. This behavior appears every time I allow the electrolyte to boil until the cell is almost dry. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:43 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:35 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I finally obtained a safe alternative that is working at the moment. I am getting sparks and all. Thanks for the idea. Does anyone know if sparks are common? What is the amperage per cm^2? Eric
Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized
you didn't address my question about income being a fair measure of hard work. The question does not imply that I think everyone should have the same income no matter what they do. harry On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: So, let me get this straight. So, Bill Gates quits his schooling to start Microsoft. Invested his savings into the venture. Worked hard day and night to perfect his software. Works long days to market his software. Used his skill and charisma to win an account with IBM, gets lucky and makes a Billion. But it did not stopped there. He worked long hours at Microsoft. Poured his heart out. Exhausted every skill. Worked very hard to build a credible software company, outcompeting every other competitor. Now, he is harvesting the fruits of his labor, and some idiot comes along and says he is not working hard, and wants to redistribute his money hard earned thru charisma, luck and hard work. Yeah, that's right, Bill Gates DID NOT work hard for his money. OK That's why I despise socialists and communists. They just want to steal the fruits of your labor. It's a retrograde and thieving philosophy hatched out of the minds of lazy bums. Jojo - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized How does one measure hard work? How much harder does Bill Gates work in comparison to someone who works two jobs at minimum wage? Do you seriously he imagine he works 100 times harder if his income is 100 times greater? Do you believe a man with backhoe works 100 times harder than a man with shovel? Harry On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: This idea that poverty is the root cause of criminality is at best naive and at worst moronic. This can only come from the liberal minds of socialistic/communistic people who think that Income Redistribution is the panacea for all societal ills. My friend, stealing from people who work hard for their income and redistribute it to lazy bums will not cure sociatal ills. You are smarter than to believe in that solution. Let's take a real life example. The United States has more felons and criminals on a per capita basis than any other country in the world, including such 4th world countries like the Philippines who are poverty stricken to the core. The United States is flushed in food and resources and conveniences, and yet manage to produce more criminals and felons than any other country. Please, I would like to hear your explanation why the US has more criminals than the Philippines (on a per capita basis). Jojo PS. The root cause of crime is not poverty. but rather the inherent sin and rebellion in the hearts of a glutonous, rebellious and lazy society. - Original Message - From: Jouni Valkonen To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized I would think that only way to combat this problem is to eliminate poverty from the society. About 95% of the criminality is due to unjust distribution of wealth. This is not that individual humans would resort into criminality if they fail to find job due to high unemployment rates, but because children are crown in the conditions where no children should be allowed to live. Best way to eliminate poverty is to set zero income level for each individuals into 1000-2000 dollars per month. This can be done quite easily by distributing income more justly. When there is no scarcity of the basic needs, there won't be breeding grounds for violent gangs and violent larger scale religions, because every child will get a proper and free education.
Re: [Vo]:Popular Science article Andrea Rossi's Black Box
as far as I've read, the system changent recently in Italy, to match others, so it might be misintepreted today. Dottore Magistrale seems to be the title of Master Degree, and the tittle of PhD students. It seems as far as I've found, that in filosofia refer really to philosophy study in Milan, not to the obsolete term Ph of PhD... So Rossi seems to have a Master Degree in philosophy of Science, which might not be the most technical diploma to run an energy lab... It might be nice to run a start-up company in a paradigm changing technology, or even better to run a journal of science... Anyway, at that level, with motivation, everybody can learn from books and colleagues. Rossi is a mystery for me... 2012/10/16 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com Somewhere I've seen that's a master of sciences, which back then was the maximum degree, I think. 2012/10/16 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Rossi's degree is from U. Milan: http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3197200.ece/BINARY/Rossi_degree_University_Milan.pdf Not a PhD, but I gather it is somewhat more than a B.A. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Hypothetically speaking ...
I don't understand and why so many people are suprised that to gain energy yo need to feed a little (less). It is classic for usual energy that you give energy first to settle the good condition of energy production. It is the case for wood in a barbecue... you need first to pyrolyze it, then heat it until it can burn... it is only if you give good thermal insulation (in a barbecue) that after initial lighting, it can self sustain. and sometime, like with flash in the pan it can kill the container because of positive feedback. In a barbecue, like in a nuclear fission reactor, there are negative feedback that allow control. Celani reactor is as if you were making calorimetry in a piece of wood under a bunzen gaz burner... about electricity, it is simply an energy very easy to control, over time and space... moreover from Celani, Defkalion and Brillouin you can notice that electric excitation is more efficient than thermal... it is sure that it would be nice to have a looped reactor with turbine feeding the input, but it seems that on one side you have researchers and engineers who have not yet efficient enough reactors. and on another side you have people having working reactors, and not wanting to convince anybody else their partners, before it is publicly sold. For me the only one that can do that experiment is Celani and his replicators, assuming he continue to be open when he owns the greatest invention since wood fire and domesticated horse. As with all industrial of the beginning of CF (Toyota, Mitsubishi...) LENR is cursed by it's great potential value, that push successful results to be hidden... Making skeptics convinced that nothing work (which leads to similar results- provided you eliminate the numerous not so blatant experimental results). vicious circle.
Re: [Vo]:Patent Appl
On 2012-10-17 10:22, Peter Gluck wrote: FYI: Prof. Francesco Piantelli's US Patent Application is here: http://images3.freshpatents.com/pdf/US20110249783A1.pdf I've already seen this before. Look: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/PiantelliSmethodforp.pdf Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Patent Appl
Yes, it is identical with WO 2010/058288. Piantelli's 3rd WO patent had to be come public on Oct 12, 2012. For the time given it cannot be found. Peter On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: On 2012-10-17 10:22, Peter Gluck wrote: FYI: Prof. Francesco Piantelli's US Patent Application is here: http://images3.freshpatents.**com/pdf/US20110249783A1.pdfhttp://images3.freshpatents.com/pdf/US20110249783A1.pdf I've already seen this before. Look: http://www.lenr-canr.org/**acrobat/PiantelliSmethodforp.**pdfhttp://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/PiantelliSmethodforp.pdf Cheers, S.A. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
RE: [Vo]:Cracks me up
Confusion When I read vortex, Google is constantly trying to sell me a Ford Fusion. If only ... ;-) There is also this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ConFusion_%28convention%29 It's a nice little convention. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Sci. Am. comments on documentary The Believers
At 12:33 PM 10/15/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: See: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/psi-vid/2012/10/14/the-believers-cold-fusion-at-the-chicago-international-film-festival/http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/psi-vid/2012/10/14/the-believers-cold-fusion-at-the-chicago-international-film-festival/ I get a bad feeling about this documentary. I don't like the trailer. While the title could be spun this way or that, the promo material indicated it was about believers vs. scientists. Which, if so, would be quite disappointing. The real story is about science vs. non-science. Scientists can engage in collective delusion just as can nonscientists, they are human. Jed, right now the strongest way to pass on the message that cold fusion is real is not to point to a pile of thousands of papers. That's not going to budge anyone. Rather, point to Storms' Review of cold fusion (2010) in Naturwissenschaften. Most stories on cold fusion, even sympathetic ones, ignore this evidence that the issue, scientifically, has been settled. They make it all depend on what interpretations one believes, instead of reporting the core findings, the confirmed experimental facts. So Garwin's they must be making some mistake gets equal ink -- or more ink -- with experimental fact and multiply-confirmed findings. They must be making some mistake is a clear statement of belief in established theory, yet there is no established theory that makes cold fusion, in the general case, impossible. There is not even a way to apply established theory to predict the fusion rate under all the complex conditions that exist in a Pons-Fleischman palladium deuteride cell, but only with a specific theory of mechanism, and the whole point of the Pons Fleischmann announcement was that evidence of an unknown nuclear reaction had been found. Traditionally, when some unexpected effect is found, the evidence is examined, and there is a search for artifacts, and possible artifacts are tested with the tools of controlled experiment, until the effect is confirmed or the artifact is identified. This was only done with cold fusion with regard to the postive nuclear evidence of neutrons. It was identified as a problem with the neutron detection equipment and assumptions, and that claim was retracted. Yet because physicists expected copious neutrons from cold fusion, assuming it would be d-d fusion, they looked at this as a total debunking of the Pons and Fleischmann results. They forgot about the heat. There must be some mistake. And they did the same with the tritium and helium findings, which were not confirmed until substantially later. There must be some mistake. When it was announced, Huizenga immediately recognized the importance. Miles found that helium production was correlated with excess heat, at a value experimentally consistent with deuterium fusing to helium. Huizenga knew that if this work was confirmed, it was basically all over. Cold fusion was real, and was probably fusion, i.e., some form of fusion of deuterium to helium. Huizenga then stated his expectation that it would not be confirmed, because there are no gamma rays. That, again, betrayed, clearly, his expectation that if cold fusion was real, the reaction would have to be the same reaction that is a rare branch in hot fusion, d+d - helium-4, which always produces a gamma. Unknown nuclear reaction never penetrated the skulls of the skeptics. They were rejecting cold fusion because it obviously wasn't the known reaction. Miles was confirmed. We can wish for more accurate confirmation, but the bare fact of heat/helium correlation simply can't be scientifically denied any more. They continue to deny it, claiming that it must be leakage from ambient helium, which is blatantly in contradiction to experimental fact, but it continues to be asserted with straight faces, as if it was perfectly reasonable. No, it's not ambient helium, because of a series of observations: when adequate heat has been generated, the helium levels rise above ambient; when there is no heat, there is no helium (which is actually confirmed by the findings of two of the most notable early negative replications, which found no heat and no helium); and in some work, ambient helium is not excluded; what is found is rise above ambient. Cold fusion is obviously still controversial, but the extreme skeptical position disappeared from the scientific journals sometime around or before the 2004 United States Department of Energy repeated review of the field. One of the signs that the skepticism is pseudoskepticism, a maintained belief that something doesn't exist, is that the skeptical explanations become more and more contorted and/or repeat myths from the past, asserted over and over, when those were never, themselves, published under peer review or other reliable source. It is *so* irritating to see the speculative implications of Pons and
[Vo]:First power plant to Marcellus Shale approved
I don't believe that things will bode will for coal in the short term. http://gantdaily.com/2012/10/11/dep-approves-first-new-power-plant-to-use-marcellus-shale-gas-in-pa/
re [Vo]:Graphene-based 3D sponge-like material is useful for supercapacitors
I hope this ultra capacitor works. I recently looked into powering my bicycle. 1. 2 cycle 50 cc engine. $120. Cheep! The two cycle engine has a limited speed rage in which it delivers power. It tried one of these. It either goes fast 10 to 15 MPH or does not go at all. 2. 4 cycle 50 cc engine $400. More cost! The 4 cycle engine has a little less power but a wider range of speed. It. It will go slower when you need to negotiate obstacles. 3. Electric lead acid. Cost $400. Same as the 4 cycle engine. The batteries are heavy and will go only a few miles if they have to climb a slight grade. You will need a better kick stand to hold the bicycle up. 4. Electric Lithium ion. Cost $1,000 Very much cost for a simple bicycle. Will go 40 miles on the flat. I concluded the internal combustion engine is cheep and an equivalent electric has a long way to go in reducing costs even for a bicycle. Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:30 pm Subject: [Vo]:Graphene-based 3D sponge-like material is useful for supercapacitors http://beforeitsnews.com/science-and-technology/2012/10/graphene-based-3d-sponge-like-material-is-useful-for-supercapacitors-2481008.html Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/
RE: [Vo]:Hypothetically speaking ...
From: David Roberson If the ECAT device constitutes a positive feedback system then it exhibits certain characteristics during operation. One feature is that there likely will be a critical temperature at which the internally generated heat exactly matches the heat that is escaping through its surface. Any rise in temperature beyond this level will become self sustaining and continue to increase until something limits in the system. Earlier it was melting that stopped the activity and the device was ruined. Recently with the HOT CAT, it looks as though Rossi is depending upon surface radiation to keep the device from self destructing. If true, this is a major improvement in device protection but might not help with safety rules since the temperature would remain at a dangerous level until something comes along to quench it. David, I like you analysis, but has anyone seen evidence of meltdown? After all, AR has claimed to have built hundreds of reactors in the last few years. Given Rossi's flair for the dramatic, my guess is that he would proudly show-off a picture of a meltdown, if he had it. But even if there is no visual proof of meltdown, positive feedback is surely a significant description of one (of several) dynamical forces operating in the system, but it may not be a major impediment, since it may be a slow kind of feedback. It is fruitless to base firm conclusions on what Rossi has said over the past 20 months, since much of it is self-contradictory but his first reactors were made of copper, which is not exactly ideal for any system where rapid runaway is remotely possible; plus he claims to have had reactors unattended in self-powered mode for months, using almost no feedback. The risk of meltdown could be another Rossi-ism for an imaginary scenario based on strong belief, much like the unproved gamma radiation, or the unproved nickel-to-copper transmutation, etc. Let's not forget that his Italian employees, if there really are any, suffered through a cold winter in Bologna with the megawatt BigCat sitting on the loading dock, as frigid as steel and bare nuts can get in Italy, so to speak. And if the recent HotCat was really balanced at ~1000C in actual testing (to be released in the future, of course) and in such a way that the net heat generated exactly matches the heat that is escaping from its surface, then that indicates inherent auto-control should not be too difficult to achieve, no? IOW - if there is a balance of positive and negative feedback at various plateau levels, then it should be possible to have some kind of emissive control with greater precision using a larger surface and thermal mass instead of the small reactor surface. The large surface area presumably would radiate at a predictable rate in the 100 C range if the interior was stable at 400C - well below the 1000C. Would you agree that this kind of inherent control is possible with larger area/lower temperature, based on the HotCat results being relatively accurate? Of course, what I have in mind relates more to the Reiter-effect (ZeoCat) than to the Rossi-effect, but either way, what is severely lacking in all of this, after 20 months of warm regards evasiveness, is long-term data ... data that changes a laboratory curiosity into a commercially relevant prospect. In actuality - Reiter has offered significantly more proof of continuous gainful operation than has Rossi. Jones attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Sci. Am. comments on documentary The Believers
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Jed, right now the strongest way to pass on the message that cold fusion is real is not to point to a pile of thousands of papers. My purpose is not to make the case that cold fusion is real. My purpose is to bring people with technical knowledge (scientists and engineers) to LENR-CANR when they can learn about the field themselves. Frankly, I don't care much about the rest of the public. They cannot be persuaded. They do not understand the technical issues enough to judge. They will be dissuaded by Cude and Wikipedia in any case. The author of this article will never bother to read any papers so I don't care about her, either. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Sci. Am. comments on documentary The Believers
Right. I painfully have to admit that. just now. 8( my recent human science experiments confirm your claims. hard to swallow. Especially when you see all the stupidities that are mainstream. 2012/10/17 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com My purpose is not to make the case that cold fusion is real. My purpose is to bring people with technical knowledge (scientists and engineers) to LENR-CANR when they can learn about the field themselves. Frankly, I don't care much about the rest of the public. They cannot be persuaded. They do not understand the technical issues enough to judge. They will be dissuaded by Cude and Wikipedia in any case. The author of this article will never bother to read any papers so I don't care about her, either.
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
It would be nearly impossible to catch the spark in the act with single frame photography since the duration is so short. I am confident that anyone could get similar results if they use sodium carbonate along with a supply like I am using. All they need do is dissolve plenty of the carbonate in the bath and allow the water to vaporize. It happens on every experiment now, even with new nickels. During certain spark events I see two or three sparks appear simultaneously at different locations around and upon the nickel attached to the negative supply terminal. This reminds me of lightning streamers. Many times the flash appears to be underneath the thick white deposit that coats most of the test nickel. I do not recall ever seeing a spark or flash at the other nickel and they are both coated and separated by a distance of about 1 to 1.5 inches. I am not sure what the sparks represent, but the fact that it can be obtained so easily leads me to believe that it is most likely not LENR related. My suspicion is that this is some chemical reaction that occurs as a result of intense heating at the point where the released electrical energy is focused. Could it be the result of a plasma reaction within the hydrogen gas and carbonate? I have added water after the sparking phenomena finally concludes and the thick nickel deposits dissolve back into the solution. There is no additional sparking after these deposits are gone and the bath level increased. On occasion, I have seen a long burst of sparking from the edge of the test nickel when water has just been added to the bath but before the deposit has started to dissolve. On a couple of occasions, I was afraid a fire would begin at the point of intense spark emission. Fortunately, this never lasts for a significant length of time. The sparking and flashing phenomena continues to occur within the same experimental setup after the freshly added water has vaporized again. I performed this test several times, each taking a couple of hours. The main clue I detect is that the sparks are always associated with the negative connected nickel which should be emitting hydrogen gas. For this reason, I suspect that the gas may become ignited by some high intensity of heat or local electrical spark or plasma due to the high open circuit voltage of my supply. The vapor that often arises during the bright flashes has a strong odor but dissipates quickly. I hope that this description of my observations is helpful. I can go into more details if you wish. Dave -Original Message- From: Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 3:56 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started Dave, can you take some pictures and post? On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:26 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Eric, I am running 3 amps of DC through my system. The sparks occur when the electrolyte is getting low, deposits are collecting on both nickels, and the supply voltage is varying a lot. I would guess that I am getting a couple of amps per square cm due to the deposits covering nickel area and many large bubbles as the electrolyte is boiling. There are sparks and bright yellow looking flashes that are very near or on the negative terminal connected nickel. I also see puffs of smoke rising after a large flash. These displays are quite interesting to watch. My supply most likely has a large capacitor connected across its output since I found that the two nickels will stick together with a bright flash if I allow them to touch when out of the cell. I wonder if the excess burst of energy due to capacitor discharge is evolved in the activity. This behavior appears every time I allow the electrolyte to boil until the cell is almost dry. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:43 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:35 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I finally obtained a safe alternative that is working at the moment. I am getting sparks and all. Thanks for the idea. Does anyone know if sparks are common? What is the amperage per cm^2? Eric
[Vo]:[OT] Is Steve Jobs in Hell?
http://blastr.com/2012/10/what-did-psychic-medium-d.php A medium reaches out to Jobs. Excerpt: The most loaded question of all has to be Is Steve Jobs in hell? And while the respectful answer that delves into how a spirit has to struggle with who they were in order to find out where they go next is nice, we kind of just assumed Steve's answer would be Have you seen the iPhone 5 debacle? You bet your sweet bippy I'm in hell! more, the answer is midway through the vid
Re: [Vo]:Hypothetically speaking ...
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: I don't understand and why so many people are suprised that to gain energy yo need to feed a little (less). It is classic for usual energy that you give energy first to settle the good condition of energy production. It is the case for wood in a barbecue... you need first to pyrolyze it, then heat it until it can burn... it is only if you give good thermal insulation (in a barbecue) that after initial lighting, it can self sustain. and sometime, like with flash in the pan it can kill the container because of positive feedback. In a barbecue, like in a nuclear fission reactor, there are negative feedback that allow control Indeed, even the action of replenishing coal requires some energy to move the coal into place so that the barbecue remains hot. Even a system which violates CoE will tap the world outside the system for its material continuance, and therefore will never be closed system of energy relations. Harry Celani reactor is as if you were making calorimetry in a piece of wood under a bunzen gaz burner... about electricity, it is simply an energy very easy to control, over time and space... moreover from Celani, Defkalion and Brillouin you can notice that electric excitation is more efficient than thermal... it is sure that it would be nice to have a looped reactor with turbine feeding the input, but it seems that on one side you have researchers and engineers who have not yet efficient enough reactors. and on another side you have people having working reactors, and not wanting to convince anybody else their partners, before it is publicly sold. For me the only one that can do that experiment is Celani and his replicators, assuming he continue to be open when he owns the greatest invention since wood fire and domesticated horse. As with all industrial of the beginning of CF (Toyota, Mitsubishi...) LENR is cursed by it's great potential value, that push successful results to be hidden... Making skeptics convinced that nothing work (which leads to similar results- provided you eliminate the numerous not so blatant experimental results). vicious circle.
Re: [Vo]:Meteorite in NW Louisiana
Just to clarify a Meteorite is more-or-less a piece, chunk, and/or remnant of debris that has traveling around in space possibly since the early cataclysmic formation of this solar system, or even from another one... and, how would you know? So now, because It Came From Outerspace and quite likely contains significant information about our earthly human origin, it therefore is of significant value. I don't remember off-hand what the dollar per-ounce figure is for an average meteorite, but, it doesn't take much to realize that it's worth a heck of alot more than the same amount of earth and so, it might be said that Earth may be very common thruout the Galaxies thruout the Universe, and might not even fetch a plug nickle. Now, I'd just like to finish by saying that no matter how insignificant we might be, I still feel relatively important special, and maybe even a legend in my mind. /HTML
[Vo]:Planet discovered at Alpha Cantauri B
They're finding planets everywhere! See: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/lava-world-orbits-nearby-star/2012/10/16/cc75de44-17db-11e2-a55c-39408fbe6a4b_story.html
RE: [Vo]:[OT] Is Steve Jobs in Hell?
http://blastr.com/2012/10/what-did-psychic-medium-d.php The psychic did seem to have put together a plausible psychological profile on SJ. Who really knows! Nevertheless, it was fun to watch. Thanks, Terry. :-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Everything I Needed to Know about Cold Fusion was in a......Crop Circle?
One more bizarre thing from me in a string of bizarre events since the advent of gremlins... I am not sure, but appears to me that the circles in the attached photos might be showing us Cold Fusion. Maybe they were created by drunken englishmen, maybe not. Their scale and magnitude is immense to be created in one night. I would be curious to hear the Nuclear guy's feedback on what the pictures show from an atomic standpoint. They appear to me to be showing collapsing Hydrogen? http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/japantsunami2011.html Is this just the ITER guys trying to raise more money or is something trying to tell us dumbass humans something... Stewart http://darkmattersalot.com
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Is Steve Jobs in Hell?
You know of course that as individually naturally impaired human beings, we tend to have alot of difficulty getting our information even somewhat accurate, so, I wouldn't be too quick to think that a human being might be in hell, just because this planet earth happens to be the 3rd world from the Sun, which of course consists largely of a third world mentality of which many would love to see this country and the modern civilized world burn in hell... So, Praise Obama!... as only he can save us from this horrible evil (or, he's directly involved in it, if not totallyI really have to wonder, especially considering where this man (?) is from). Maybe, it'll help to think (that should be against the law) of it like this a Non, In, or Subhuman tends to have a low to no mentality, and so basically it's relatively simple matter of monkey see, monkey doo doo. Now, all you have to do is to take some time to learn the difference from how a real human thinks behaves, as opposed to one that can imitate one. While many human beings among us strongly connect or bond with their long lost fellow Monkey-like bretheren cousins and tend to regard each other as intelligent and/or human-like in their behavior, not to mention capable of performing duties in a similar fashion, one absolutely must remember that it Can Not ever hope to work in the best interest of Humans. http://blastr.com/2012/10/what-did-psychic-medium-d.php A medium reaches out to Jobs. Excerpt: The most loaded question of all has to be Is Steve Jobs in hell? And while the respectful answer that delves into how a spirit has to struggle with who they were in order to find out where they go next is nice, we kind of just assumed Steve's answer would be Have you seen the iPhone 5 debacle? You bet your sweet bippy I'm in hell! more, the answer is midway through the vid /HTML
Re: [Vo]:Everything I Needed to Know about Cold Fusion was in a......Crop Circle?
On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:21:06 -0400 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure, but appears to me that the circles in the attached photos might be showing us Cold Fusion. Maybe they were created by drunken englishmen, maybe not. They were probably created by drunken physicists.
Re: [Vo]:Everything I Needed to Know about Cold Fusion was in a......Crop Circle?
I am waiting to hear from one of them... On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:21:06 -0400 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure, but appears to me that the circles in the attached photos might be showing us Cold Fusion. Maybe they were created by drunken englishmen, maybe not. They were probably created by drunken physicists.
Re: [Vo]:Hypothetically speaking ...
Jones Beene: David, I like you analysis, but has anyone seen evidence of meltdown? After all, AR has claimed to have built hundreds of reactors in the last few years. Given Rossi's flair for the dramatic, my guess is that he would proudly show-off a picture of a meltdown, if he had it. You may be right Jones, but it is easy for me to accept the fact that the nickel powder would melt quickly if the device went out of control and its internal temperature became excessive. There may be nothing different in appearance from the outside for him to show. But even if there is no visual proof of meltdown, positive feedback is surely a significant description of one (of several) dynamical forces operating in the system, but it may not be a major impediment, since it may be a slow kind of feedback. It is fruitless to base firm conclusions on what Rossi has said over the past 20 months, since much of it is self-contradictory but his first reactors were made of copper, which is not exactly ideal for any system where rapid runaway is remotely possible; plus he claims to have had reactors unattended in self-powered mode for months, using almost no feedback. The rate at which the positive feedback responds is one factor that is high upon my wish list. Rossi has refused to reveal any information about this behavior cloaking it under secrecy. I am giving it my best with regard to drawing conclusions with limited data and it is true that my thoughts may become nothing but a house of cards. My problem is that I want to see this technology more forward as quickly as possible and am doing all that I can to achieve that goal. If and when Rossi chooses to share good data, my model might help in the development of sound products. The risk of meltdown could be another Rossi-ism for an imaginary scenario based on strong belief, much like the unproved gamma radiation, or the unproved nickel-to-copper transmutation, etc. Let's not forget that his Italian employees, if there really are any, suffered through a cold winter in Bologna with the megawatt BigCat sitting on the loading dock, as frigid as steel and bare nuts can get in Italy, so to speak. And if the recent HotCat was really balanced at ~1000C in actual testing (to be released in the future, of course) and in such a way that the net heat generated exactly matches the heat that is escaping from its surface, then that indicates inherent auto-control should not be too difficult to achieve, no? I would hate to attempt to count all of the serious questions that have arisen with Rossi. You choose to mention just a few. I used my model to analyze the surface radiation stability concept and the results make sense to me. If you make the assumption that the HotCat has 1000 C at its surface and radiating heat equal to the amount of internally generated heat then I would expect the device to stabilize at that point. The heat loss is proprotional to the 4 th power of the surface temperature. If the heat generation process is dominated by a 3 rd order or lower term, then any differential increase in temperature will cause more radiation to be emitted than internal heat generated. This constitutes a region where the loop gain of the positive feedback has become below 1 and the system has reached stability. The behavior I just described was simulated on my imperfect model, but the results tend to make sense. There are many interesting characteristics revealed that I can describe in detail later if you wish. IOW - if there is a balance of positive and negative feedback at various plateau levels, then it should be possible to have some kind of emissive control with greater precision using a larger surface and thermal mass instead of the small reactor surface. The large surface area presumably would radiate at a predictable rate in the 100 C range if the interior was stable at 400C - well below the 1000C. Would you agree that this kind of inherent control is possible with larger area/lower temperature, based on the HotCat results being relatively accurate? Of course, what I have in mind relates more to the Reiter-effect (ZeoCat) than to the Rossi-effect, but either way, what is severely lacking in all of this, after 20 months of warm regards evasiveness, is long-term data ... data that changes a laboratory curiosity into a commercially relevant prospect. In actuality - Reiter has offered significantly more proof of continuous gainful operation than has Rossi. I do not understand your question very well, but I will attempt to answer it as best as I can. The way I define negative or positive feedback is related to feedback systems with loop gain. To do this I take the slope of the power output versus temperature for the device at a certain test temperature. As an example at 500 C a small change in core temperature generates a measurable small change in power. Lets say a 1 degree C core temperature change results in additional heat power being
Re: [Vo]:Everything I Needed to Know about Cold Fusion was in a......Crop Circle?
Anyone seen pictures of crop circles that are seriously messed up? There must be many attempts that go badly wrong if drunk Englishmen are responsible for most of them. Where would we find out about the duds? Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 2:21 pm Subject: [Vo]:Everything I Needed to Know about Cold Fusion was in a..Crop Circle? One more bizarre thing from me in a string of bizarre events since the advent of gremlins... I am not sure, but appears to me that the circles in the attached photos might be showing us Cold Fusion. Maybe they were created by drunken englishmen, maybe not. Their scale and magnitude is immense to be created in one night. I would be curious to hear the Nuclear guy's feedback on what the pictures show from an atomic standpoint. They appear to me to be showing collapsing Hydrogen? http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/japantsunami2011.html Is this just the ITER guys trying to raise more money or is something trying to tell us dumbass humans something... Stewart http://darkmattersalot.com
Re: [Vo]:Everything I Needed to Know about Cold Fusion was in a......Crop Circle?
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Anyone seen pictures of crop circles that are seriously messed up? There must be many attempts that go badly wrong if drunk Englishmen are responsible for most of them. Where would we find out about the duds? Interesting point! I have never heard of messed up crop circles. Or crop circles found in the morning with Englishmen passed out drunk snoring in the wheat. This is a case of important facts not in evidence, like the dog that did not bark. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Everything I Needed to Know about Cold Fusion was in a......Crop Circle?
OK, maybe unemployed physicists are creating them. In engineering and construction I can never get a contractor to make a circle as smooth and concentric on a job site as I see in crop circles and many sinkholes. Funny thing is, most of the stalks are not broken, they appear to be irradiated, some in beautiful cross hatching patterns. Stewart, Darkmattersalot.com On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:50 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Anyone seen pictures of crop circles that are seriously messed up? There must be many attempts that go badly wrong if drunk Englishmen are responsible for most of them. Where would we find out about the duds? Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 2:21 pm Subject: [Vo]:Everything I Needed to Know about Cold Fusion was in a..Crop Circle? One more bizarre thing from me in a string of bizarre events since the advent of gremlins... I am not sure, but appears to me that the circles in the attached photos might be showing us Cold Fusion. Maybe they were created by drunken englishmen, maybe not. Their scale and magnitude is immense to be created in one night. I would be curious to hear the Nuclear guy's feedback on what the pictures show from an atomic standpoint. They appear to me to be showing collapsing Hydrogen? http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/japantsunami2011.html Is this just the ITER guys trying to raise more money or is something trying to tell us dumbass humans something... Stewart http://darkmattersalot.com
Re: [Vo]:Everything I Needed to Know about Cold Fusion was in a......Crop Circle?
I don't like to bring up fringe interests like this, but I saw this video a couple of days ago, and find it totally fascinating. Whoever made these crop circles are surely brilliant. I can't imagine who would do this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkykJisYiVI Craig
Re: [Vo]:Everything I Needed to Know about Cold Fusion was in a......Crop Circle?
Craig, I have never paid attention to crop circles before but had watched that video. I can't see people making these in one night. The hatching is very intricate and circles very precise. The other strange thing is that many of the circles appear to match my model of dark matter in a decaying orbit into the earth with the spiral patterns. I think some of the circles are telling us when the earth is being approached by large masses of this stuff which I think are triggering most of the high energy events on earth. I am not sh(*^ing. Stewart http://darkmattersalot.com On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.comwrote: I don't like to bring up fringe interests like this, but I saw this video a couple of days ago, and find it totally fascinating. Whoever made these crop circles are surely brilliant. I can't imagine who would do this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkykJisYiVI Craig
Re: [Vo]:Everything I Needed to Know about Cold Fusion was in a......Crop Circle?
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle How to Make a Crop Circle http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=sfrm=1source=webcd=2cad=rjasqi=2ved=0CCkQtwIwAQurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Da_opN9ghPKQei=fxF_UPDlIujt0gHr3YGgBQusg=AFQjCNGdmG0Q4je766Li03SVO9JslMRXnAsig2=cqHRhK1-n-QXysJrSYMYKg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEAQ-d07HlE On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:57 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: OK, maybe unemployed physicists are creating them. In engineering and construction I can never get a contractor to make a circle as smooth and concentric on a job site as I see in crop circles and many sinkholes. Funny thing is, most of the stalks are not broken, they appear to be irradiated, some in beautiful cross hatching patterns. Stewart, Darkmattersalot.com On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:50 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: Anyone seen pictures of crop circles that are seriously messed up? There must be many attempts that go badly wrong if drunk Englishmen are responsible for most of them. Where would we find out about the duds? Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 2:21 pm Subject: [Vo]:Everything I Needed to Know about Cold Fusion was in a..Crop Circle? One more bizarre thing from me in a string of bizarre events since the advent of gremlins... I am not sure, but appears to me that the circles in the attached photos might be showing us Cold Fusion. Maybe they were created by drunken englishmen, maybe not. Their scale and magnitude is immense to be created in one night. I would be curious to hear the Nuclear guy's feedback on what the pictures show from an atomic standpoint. They appear to me to be showing collapsing Hydrogen? http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/japantsunami2011.html Is this just the ITER guys trying to raise more money or is something trying to tell us dumbass humans something... Stewart http://darkmattersalot.com
Re: [Vo]:Everything I Needed to Know about Cold Fusion was in a......Crop Circle?
Axil, Those are the kind that are trampled and broken, not the irradiated ones I am talking about, but thanks for the information. Stewart http://darkmattersalot.com On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle How to Make a Crop Circle http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=sfrm=1source=webcd=2cad=rjasqi=2ved=0CCkQtwIwAQurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Da_opN9ghPKQei=fxF_UPDlIujt0gHr3YGgBQusg=AFQjCNGdmG0Q4je766Li03SVO9JslMRXnAsig2=cqHRhK1-n-QXysJrSYMYKg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEAQ-d07HlE On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:57 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: OK, maybe unemployed physicists are creating them. In engineering and construction I can never get a contractor to make a circle as smooth and concentric on a job site as I see in crop circles and many sinkholes. Funny thing is, most of the stalks are not broken, they appear to be irradiated, some in beautiful cross hatching patterns. Stewart, Darkmattersalot.com On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:50 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: Anyone seen pictures of crop circles that are seriously messed up? There must be many attempts that go badly wrong if drunk Englishmen are responsible for most of them. Where would we find out about the duds? Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 2:21 pm Subject: [Vo]:Everything I Needed to Know about Cold Fusion was in a..Crop Circle? One more bizarre thing from me in a string of bizarre events since the advent of gremlins... I am not sure, but appears to me that the circles in the attached photos might be showing us Cold Fusion. Maybe they were created by drunken englishmen, maybe not. Their scale and magnitude is immense to be created in one night. I would be curious to hear the Nuclear guy's feedback on what the pictures show from an atomic standpoint. They appear to me to be showing collapsing Hydrogen? http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/japantsunami2011.html Is this just the ITER guys trying to raise more money or is something trying to tell us dumbass humans something... Stewart http://darkmattersalot.com
Re: [Vo]:Everything I Needed to Know about Cold Fusion was in a......Crop Circle?
Good video from 2008 http://youtu.be/xxY98buBw2o Stewart http://Darkmattersalot.com On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 4:24 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, Those are the kind that are trampled and broken, not the irradiated ones I am talking about, but thanks for the information. Stewart http://darkmattersalot.com On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle How to Make a Crop Circle http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=sfrm=1source=webcd=2cad=rjasqi=2ved=0CCkQtwIwAQurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Da_opN9ghPKQei=fxF_UPDlIujt0gHr3YGgBQusg=AFQjCNGdmG0Q4je766Li03SVO9JslMRXnAsig2=cqHRhK1-n-QXysJrSYMYKg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEAQ-d07HlE On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:57 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.comwrote: OK, maybe unemployed physicists are creating them. In engineering and construction I can never get a contractor to make a circle as smooth and concentric on a job site as I see in crop circles and many sinkholes. Funny thing is, most of the stalks are not broken, they appear to be irradiated, some in beautiful cross hatching patterns. Stewart, Darkmattersalot.com On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:50 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: Anyone seen pictures of crop circles that are seriously messed up? There must be many attempts that go badly wrong if drunk Englishmen are responsible for most of them. Where would we find out about the duds? Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 2:21 pm Subject: [Vo]:Everything I Needed to Know about Cold Fusion was in a..Crop Circle? One more bizarre thing from me in a string of bizarre events since the advent of gremlins... I am not sure, but appears to me that the circles in the attached photos might be showing us Cold Fusion. Maybe they were created by drunken englishmen, maybe not. Their scale and magnitude is immense to be created in one night. I would be curious to hear the Nuclear guy's feedback on what the pictures show from an atomic standpoint. They appear to me to be showing collapsing Hydrogen? http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/japantsunami2011.html Is this just the ITER guys trying to raise more money or is something trying to tell us dumbass humans something... Stewart http://darkmattersalot.com
Re: [Vo]:Everything I Needed to Know about Cold Fusion was in a......Crop Circle?
I don't know about the 2nd message, but the 1st was certainly done by people associated to the radio telescope nearby and it probably took days to do. It's just that they took days to call people and pretend they appeared there in 1 night. 2012/10/17 Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com I don't like to bring up fringe interests like this, but I saw this video a couple of days ago, and find it totally fascinating. Whoever made these crop circles are surely brilliant. I can't imagine who would do this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkykJisYiVI Craig -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Everything I Needed to Know about Cold Fusion was in a......Crop Circle?
Wow, you sound certain
On Wednesday, October 17, 2012, Daniel Rocha wrote:
I don't know about the 2nd message, but the 1st was certainly done by
people associated to the radio telescope nearby and it probably took days
to do. It's just that they took days to call people and pretend they
appeared there in 1 night.
2012/10/17 Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com javascript:_e({},
'cvml', 'cchayniepub...@gmail.com');
I don't like to bring up fringe interests like this, but I saw this
video a couple of days ago, and find it totally fascinating. Whoever
made these crop circles are surely brilliant. I can't imagine who would
do this.
CROP CIRCLES DECODED!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkykJisYiVI
Craig
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
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Re: [Vo]:Everything I Needed to Know about Cold Fusion was in a......Crop Circle?
Well, many of those guys grew up or got hook up on astronomy when reading and watching Carl Sagan. stuff. Then, they saw a crop circle right beside their workplace, so... 2012/10/17 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com Wow, you sound certain On Wednesday, October 17, 2012, Daniel Rocha wrote: I don't know about the 2nd message, but the 1st was certainly done by people associated to the radio telescope nearby and it probably took days to do. It's just that they took days to call people and pretend they appeared there in 1 night. 2012/10/17 Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com I don't like to bring up fringe interests like this, but I saw this video a couple of days ago, and find it totally fascinating. Whoever made these crop circles are surely brilliant. I can't imagine who would do this. CROP CIRCLES DECODED!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkykJisYiVI Craig -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Everything I Needed to Know about Cold Fusion was in a......Crop Circle?
I guess the nuclear physicists made the ones by the nuke plant then.
Thanks for clearing that up...
On Wednesday, October 17, 2012, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Well, many of those guys grew up or got hook up on astronomy when reading
and watching Carl Sagan. stuff. Then, they saw a crop circle right beside
their workplace, so...
2012/10/17 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'cheme...@gmail.com');
Wow, you sound certain
On Wednesday, October 17, 2012, Daniel Rocha wrote:
I don't know about the 2nd message, but the 1st was certainly done by
people associated to the radio telescope nearby and it probably took days
to do. It's just that they took days to call people and pretend they
appeared there in 1 night.
2012/10/17 Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com
I don't like to bring up fringe interests like this, but I saw this
video a couple of days ago, and find it totally fascinating. Whoever
made these crop circles are surely brilliant. I can't imagine who would
do this.
CROP CIRCLES DECODED!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkykJisYiVI
Craig
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
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'danieldi...@gmail.com');
Re: [Vo]:Everything I Needed to Know about Cold Fusion was in a......Crop Circle?
It could be aliens in both cases, but I guess we will never know... 2012/10/17 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com I guess the nuclear physicists made the ones by the nuke plant then. Thanks for clearing that up... -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Is Steve Jobs in Hell?
lorenhe...@aol.com wrote: Praise Obama!... as only he can save us from this horrible evil (or, he's directly involved in it, if not totallyI really have to wonder, especially considering where this man (?) is from). Okay, if you're gunna break the rules, I get a round as well. I just can't resist. This is hysterical: http://www.romneytaxplan.com/ Courtesy of the DNC. Not only is it funny, but it is a kind of humor that could not exist until the 21st century. Interesting as a cultural artifact. I have been giggling about this all afternoon. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Everything I Needed to Know about Cold Fusion was in a......Crop Circle?
Sometimes knowing is just realizing and accepting the evidence, sorta like
cold fusion.
On Wednesday, October 17, 2012, Daniel Rocha wrote:
It could be aliens in both cases, but I guess we will never know...
2012/10/17 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'cheme...@gmail.com');
I guess the nuclear physicists made the ones by the nuke plant then.
Thanks for clearing that up...
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Re: [Vo]:Planet discovered at Alpha Cantauri B
that is so close to us, astronomically speaking! On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 5:11 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: They're finding planets everywhere! See: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/lava-world-orbits-nearby-star/2012/10/16/cc75de44-17db-11e2-a55c-39408fbe6a4b_story.html -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!
Re: [Vo]:Popular Science article Andrea Rossi's Black Box
http://pesn.com/2012/10/16/9602208_Andrea-Rossis_Black-Box--by_Popular-Science/ With thumbnails of the article and a few comments (Not a hit piece, but with inaccuracies).
Re: [Vo]:Popular Science article Andrea Rossi's Black Box
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: http://pesn.com/2012/10/16/**9602208_Andrea-Rossis_Black-** Box--by_Popular-Science/http://pesn.com/2012/10/16/9602208_Andrea-Rossis_Black-Box--by_Popular-Science/ I think that is a fair review. I agree for the most part. There were some minor inaccuracies in the story, but nothing serious in my opinion. I wish it had taken a broader look at the field. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Planet discovered at Alpha Cantauri B
It always amazes me to view depictions of galaxies such as the Milky way where the stars appear so close to each other that many merge into one bright point. For some reason I can not imagine that the distances between these individual stars is measured in light years. If you find yourself feeling too important, all you need do is consider how large you are compared to the smallest galaxy. The universe is likely unaware of your puny existence among the uncountable hordes that probably inhabit it. Does that thought help you to place events in the proper perspective? Dave
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
It's possible that as the electrolyte evaporates, and there is not sufficient electrolyte to make a fully-immersed path from anode to cathode (you'll have to confirm that), there are moments when the liquid withdraws from point(s) on one of the electrodes - because of the tendency of water to form minimum-area surfaces due to surface tension, for example. At this moment, even a relatively low voltage might be enough to arc across the tiny, just-formed air gap between the exposed cathode and the withdrawing electrolyte. The arc would be visible as a tiny spark. The spark could vaporize a tiny bit of the withdrawing water, and the conductivity of the microscopic puff of steam could kill the arc a moment later. This effect could occur repeatedly and rapidly. Jeff On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:14 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It would be nearly impossible to catch the spark in the act with single frame photography since the duration is so short. I am confident that anyone could get similar results if they use sodium carbonate along with a supply like I am using. All they need do is dissolve plenty of the carbonate in the bath and allow the water to vaporize. It happens on every experiment now, even with new nickels. During certain spark events I see two or three sparks appear simultaneously at different locations around and upon the nickel attached to the negative supply terminal. This reminds me of lightning streamers. Many times the flash appears to be underneath the thick white deposit that coats most of the test nickel. I do not recall ever seeing a spark or flash at the other nickel and they are both coated and separated by a distance of about 1 to 1.5 inches. I am not sure what the sparks represent, but the fact that it can be obtained so easily leads me to believe that it is most likely not LENR related. My suspicion is that this is some chemical reaction that occurs as a result of intense heating at the point where the released electrical energy is focused. Could it be the result of a plasma reaction within the hydrogen gas and carbonate? I have added water after the sparking phenomena finally concludes and the thick nickel deposits dissolve back into the solution. There is no additional sparking after these deposits are gone and the bath level increased. On occasion, I have seen a long burst of sparking from the edge of the test nickel when water has just been added to the bath but before the deposit has started to dissolve. On a couple of occasions, I was afraid a fire would begin at the point of intense spark emission. Fortunately, this never lasts for a significant length of time. The sparking and flashing phenomena continues to occur within the same experimental setup after the freshly added water has vaporized again. I performed this test several times, each taking a couple of hours. The main clue I detect is that the sparks are always associated with the negative connected nickel which should be emitting hydrogen gas. For this reason, I suspect that the gas may become ignited by some high intensity of heat or local electrical spark or plasma due to the high open circuit voltage of my supply. The vapor that often arises during the bright flashes has a strong odor but dissipates quickly. I hope that this description of my observations is helpful. I can go into more details if you wish. Dave -Original Message- From: Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 3:56 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started Dave, can you take some pictures and post? On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:26 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Eric, I am running 3 amps of DC through my system. The sparks occur when the electrolyte is getting low, deposits are collecting on both nickels, and the supply voltage is varying a lot. I would guess that I am getting a couple of amps per square cm due to the deposits covering nickel area and many large bubbles as the electrolyte is boiling. There are sparks and bright yellow looking flashes that are very near or on the negative terminal connected nickel. I also see puffs of smoke rising after a large flash. These displays are quite interesting to watch. My supply most likely has a large capacitor connected across its output since I found that the two nickels will stick together with a bright flash if I allow them to touch when out of the cell. I wonder if the excess burst of energy due to capacitor discharge is evolved in the activity. This behavior appears every time I allow the electrolyte to boil until the cell is almost dry. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:43 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:35 PM, David Roberson
[Vo]:How long?
Eventually, Mr. Rossi will have to show something that can be independently examined and verified completely outside of his control, or the inevitable media and marketplace counter-reaction will set in because of the very public nature of the claims. I'm sure even Mr. Rossi himself would agree with this assertion. I'm not taking a position on the likely outcome, but I wonder: how long does he have? Jeff
RE: [Vo]:How long?
My sentiments exactly. It's nearly the two year anniversary of the first Bologna demonstration and still there is zero in the way of third-party verification of the power claims. Original Message Subject: [Vo]:How long? From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com Date: Thu, October 18, 2012 2:33 pm To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Eventually, Mr. Rossi will have to show something that can be independently examined and verified completely outside of his control, or the inevitable media and marketplace counter-reaction will set in because of the very public nature of the claims. I'm sure even Mr. Rossi himself would agree with this assertion. I'm not taking a position on the likely outcome, but I wonder: how long does he have?Jeff
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
The flashes of light that emit a puff of smoke may be occurring somewhat like you describe. The fact that they are located only in the vicinity of the negative supply connected nickel suggests that hydrogen is also a factor or perhaps the emission of electrons from that electrode is important. I agree that the bubbles are envolved as they are causing the voltage to vary significantly during this event. I also wonder if sparks due to the large electric field across the bubbles are igniting hydrogen in the area? I suppose the puffs of smoke could have been condensed water vapor. It was evident that the cell content was boiling vigorously between the electrodes during that episode and a far smaller quantity of vapor was always being emitted due to the high liquid temperature. Perhaps small hydrogen explosions suppled enough energy to make the big puffs. The sparks that are of short duration and not directly associated with the flashes behave in a different manner. These tiny events appear to radiate away from the nickel or thick white deposit extremely rapidly and in a straight line. They have the appearance of being shot from a point on the surface outward. If I recall, they look as if they were traveling one to two inches before becoming invisible. When I saw a group of them synchronized it reminded me of the science fiction films of wild time machine emissions. In this strange case they originate in several different locations and travel is random directions. Each one moves independent of the others but synchronized very closely in time. On a few occasions I noticed that there appeared to be a single tiny region typically along one edge of the nickel from which a series of the short duration sparks would originate. These sparks would shoot out in a straight line away from the active region while each one headed in a semi random direction. Here I use the word semi random because they tended to head outward within a cone shaped pattern of perhaps 45 degrees span. During these bursts of sparks I became concerned as it looked like a flame would originate from there. A volcano erruption of hot cinders from its crater is somewhat similar in appearance. This behavior is quite difficult to put into words and I apologize for my poor description! You should perform a similar experiment if you want to add a small dose of excitement to your day. I am not sure of exactly what is occurring at this time but I suspect that it is of a chemical nature. If it is an LENR effect, then everyone should be able to experience it as it happens with regularity. (Poor Dave mumbles to himself as he experiences a short period of brain death due to his attempt to describe the indescribable.) Dave -Original Message- From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 12:24 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started It's possible that as the electrolyte evaporates, and there is not sufficient electrolyte to make a fully-immersed path from anode to cathode (you'll have to confirm that), there are moments when the liquid withdraws from point(s) on one of the electrodes - because of the tendency of water to form minimum-area surfaces due to surface tension, for example. At this moment, even a relatively low voltage might be enough to arc across the tiny, just-formed air gap between the exposed cathode and the withdrawing electrolyte. The arc would be visible as a tiny spark. The spark could vaporize a tiny bit of the withdrawing water, and the conductivity of the microscopic puff of steam could kill the arc a moment later. This effect could occur repeatedly and rapidly. Jeff On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:14 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It would be nearly impossible to catch the spark in the act with single frame photography since the duration is so short. I am confident that anyone could get similar results if they use sodium carbonate along with a supply like I am using. All they need do is dissolve plenty of the carbonate in the bath and allow the water to vaporize. It happens on every experiment now, even with new nickels. During certain spark events I see two or three sparks appear simultaneously at different locations around and upon the nickel attached to the negative supply terminal. This reminds me of lightning streamers. Many times the flash appears to be underneath the thick white deposit that coats most of the test nickel. I do not recall ever seeing a spark or flash at the other nickel and they are both coated and separated by a distance of about 1 to 1.5 inches. I am not sure what the sparks represent, but the fact that it can be obtained so easily leads me to believe that it is most likely not LENR related. My suspicion is that this is some chemical reaction that occurs as a result of intense heating at the point where the released electrical energy
Re: [Vo]:How long?
Who knows Jeff? So far it has worked in his favor as he is still developing his products while most of the world stands by. I think he has gained a year on the competition by his techniques and I just hope that the time will soon arrive when he reveals the actual facts. Dave -Original Message- From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 12:33 am Subject: [Vo]:How long? Eventually, Mr. Rossi will have to show something that can be independently examined and verified completely outside of his control, or the inevitable media and marketplace counter-reaction will set in because of the very public nature of the claims. I'm sure even Mr. Rossi himself would agree with this assertion. I'm not taking a position on the likely outcome, but I wonder: how long does he have? Jeff
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
It's a great description. I forgot about the fact that the H2 would still be evolving at the cathode and the sparks would likely ignite it. Combine that with the deposits formed by the electrolysis and a wide variety of results are possible. We'll try with sodium carbonate sometime soon. Unfortunately, we lack a good place to run experiments continuously for long periods of time. We are working on that, and also on better instrumentation (to be described on the blog eventually). Thanks very much for your detailed explanations! Jeff On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:43 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: The flashes of light that emit a puff of smoke may be occurring somewhat like you describe. The fact that they are located only in the vicinity of the negative supply connected nickel suggests that hydrogen is also a factor or perhaps the emission of electrons from that electrode is important. I agree that the bubbles are envolved as they are causing the voltage to vary significantly during this event. I also wonder if sparks due to the large electric field across the bubbles are igniting hydrogen in the area? I suppose the puffs of smoke could have been condensed water vapor. It was evident that the cell content was boiling vigorously between the electrodes during that episode and a far smaller quantity of vapor was always being emitted due to the high liquid temperature. Perhaps small hydrogen explosions suppled enough energy to make the big puffs. The sparks that are of short duration and not directly associated with the flashes behave in a different manner. These tiny events appear to radiate away from the nickel or thick white deposit extremely rapidly and in a straight line. They have the appearance of being shot from a point on the surface outward. If I recall, they look as if they were traveling one to two inches before becoming invisible. When I saw a group of them synchronized it reminded me of the science fiction films of wild time machine emissions. In this strange case they originate in several different locations and travel is random directions. Each one moves independent of the others but synchronized very closely in time. On a few occasions I noticed that there appeared to be a single tiny region typically along one edge of the nickel from which a series of the short duration sparks would originate. These sparks would shoot out in a straight line away from the active region while each one headed in a semi random direction. Here I use the word semi random because they tended to head outward within a cone shaped pattern of perhaps 45 degrees span. During these bursts of sparks I became concerned as it looked like a flame would originate from there. A volcano erruption of hot cinders from its crater is somewhat similar in appearance. This behavior is quite difficult to put into words and I apologize for my poor description! You should perform a similar experiment if you want to add a small dose of excitement to your day. I am not sure of exactly what is occurring at this time but I suspect that it is of a chemical nature. If it is an LENR effect, then everyone should be able to experience it as it happens with regularity. (Poor Dave mumbles to himself as he experiences a short period of brain death due to his attempt to describe the indescribable.) Dave -Original Message- From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 12:24 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started It's possible that as the electrolyte evaporates, and there is not sufficient electrolyte to make a fully-immersed path from anode to cathode (you'll have to confirm that), there are moments when the liquid withdraws from point(s) on one of the electrodes - because of the tendency of water to form minimum-area surfaces due to surface tension, for example. At this moment, even a relatively low voltage might be enough to arc across the tiny, just-formed air gap between the exposed cathode and the withdrawing electrolyte. The arc would be visible as a tiny spark. The spark could vaporize a tiny bit of the withdrawing water, and the conductivity of the microscopic puff of steam could kill the arc a moment later. This effect could occur repeatedly and rapidly. Jeff On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:14 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: It would be nearly impossible to catch the spark in the act with single frame photography since the duration is so short. I am confident that anyone could get similar results if they use sodium carbonate along with a supply like I am using. All they need do is dissolve plenty of the carbonate in the bath and allow the water to vaporize. It happens on every experiment now, even with new nickels. During certain spark events I see two or three sparks appear simultaneously at different locations around and upon the nickel
