Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming ....
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:05 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Terry sez: It's all a matter of perspective: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEheh1BH34Q OMG... The Score!!! The Horror The Horror http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNzQ8gYxkIg Good catch! I knew I had heard it somewhere.
Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming ....
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: For instance, everyone is convinced that one day soon a major earthquake will hit the west coast of the US. If we applied the same logic to this possibility as to the global warming issue, then it is time to force everyone to move out of that area or rebuild every house that is not capable of withstanding a large earthquake. I doubt that it would cost more to fix the earthquake problem than what you propose for global warming. You are wrong about that particular example. This is what they are doing in Japan. Older public buildings such as schools and offices are all being retrofitted to withstand earthquakes much better than they used to. That is a legal requirement. I do not think individual houses have to be fixed, but many homeowners are paying for similar upgrades, such as improved foundations and X-shaped beams on outside walls. To me, this seems like a prudent thing to do in a country with so many earthquakes. It is good way to spend money. They are also buying out people in some areas in the north where the land fell after the 2011 earthquake and the ocean is turning the land into seawater marshes. They are not forcing people but entire towns that were destroyed by the tsunami are being permanently abandoned. In the U.S. there are entire on Mississippi that have been razed and rebuilt on higher ground. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat
Note: Saint 37 weeks ago: [Vo]:Mills : Solid State eCat ? http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=subject:%22%5BVo%5D%3AMills+%3A+Solid+State+eCat+%3F%22 ny . min http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22ny+.+min%22 Tue, 03 Jul 2012 01:44:19 -0700 http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20120703 Ref: http://www.cleantechblog.com/2011/08/the-new-breed-of-energy-catalyzers-ready-for-commercialization.html *Lucky Saint · 37 weeks ago No. Take 2 copper disks size of a penny. Put a dent in one. Mix ultrafine magnesium hydride soft iron powder and nickel powder in equalportions. Make sure ALL ball milling, preparation and procedures arestrictly inert atmosphere and dry box manipulations. Compress a portionof the mix to a small pill which fits easily into the disk indentation.Seal the chamber, welding with jeweler's tools. Place reactor in asmall beaker with water. Place on top of induction coil heating unit.Cause the water to boil from heat induced by alternating magneticfield. Once boiling, turn off the induction heater. Keep adding wateras the boiling will continue by itself for ? years. Mine is stillboiling after over 5 yeaes.* Altermate Electromagnetic or RFG pulse controll? And see how Rossi adapted it to create a hot cat: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=subject:%22%5BVo%5D%3ASwedish+TV+%28SVT%29+show+on+Rossi+Ecat%22 pagnucco http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22pagnucco%22 Mon, 17 Dec 2012 17:13:07 -0800 http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20121217 Courtesy of Hampus at - http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/12/e-cat-plant-sighting/ Swedish TV - SVTs sciences show Vetenskapens Världs documentary about Andreas Rossi´s news invention the Ecat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D-yHkmmkDcfeature=youtu.be (Mostly Swedish, but Rossi segments are in English) What goes around, comes around? Cheers, 007
Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming ....
I meant to say that in the U.S. there are towns on the Mississippi being abandoned and rebuilt on higher ground. This is cheaper than trying to contain the river with dikes. Flooding is natural and people have to learn to live with it. Here is a news story about a town they moved uphill, two miles away: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=5214038page=1#.UNCBwTVGJ5Q - Jed
[Vo]:New Anti-Stealth tech
http://www.businessinsider.com/quantum-imaging-university-of-rochester-radar-stealth-f-35-fifth-generation-2012-12 A new imaging technology has been developed that may make stealth obsolete. May put a crimp in all that bombing and strafing.
Re: [Vo]:Giant potato just misses Earth
Good thing else mashed potato On Monday, December 17, 2012, Jones Beene wrote: Giant potato barely misses Earth... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/17/chinese_probe_visits_asteroid_toutat is/ The Maya miscalculated its orbit 500 years ago - they thought it would hit us on Friday.
[Vo]:Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro
At 02:22 PM 12/17/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: Original Subject: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming Here's some new data that is worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming . [the complete post is quoted at the bottom] Jojo, below, claims that others are off-topic, so he can be, too. Yet he was not responding to some AGW propaganda. This was an original post in this subject header. The subject of AGW is of peripheral interest to the Vortex list, because of the perceived need for alternative, clean energy. So people sometimes mention it. However, this is not a place to debate AGW itself, it's peripheral. Jojo takes extreme positions, uses highly provocative and offensive language, and we can see what happens here. People bite. This thread generated 42 posts today, so far, plus 11 from him. Jojo wrote: BTW, I want nothing more than people laying off AGW (or Anti-AGW) propaganda from this forum. He's lying. This post (along with many others) demonstrates it. He deliberately provoked this discussion. He deliberately requested answer from a specific long-time list member, Jed. Jojo has a no-holds-barred retaliation policy. He wants everyone to shut up about global warming, he claims. So what was the last global warming discussion? At 03:24 PM 12/12/2012, Harry Veeder wrote a very brief post suggesting Cap carbon emissions, pay dividends to everyone, with a link. Yes. Off-topic, but it was harmlessly so. It was just an opinion, brief, and only provocative if one takes any comment that can be interpreted as pro-AGW as provocative. Jed Rothwell commented, Good idea! No attack on anyone, no disparaging comments. Just two words. At 05:43 PM 12/12/2012, Harry Veeder wrote another good idea which will be ignored. ;-) That was it, except for Jojo Jaro. At 07:47 PM 12/12/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote a post starting with As it should be. It is a lousy idea. He ended with There is not Anthropic Global Warming. You disagree... good! Let's agree to disagree. But let's agree to stop the off-topic propaganda in Vortex. Nobody else responded, until Jojo, five days later, out of the blue, vigorousy stirred the pot with this thread. The first post, quoted below, was merely anti-AGW propaganda. The original discussion, the 12th was harmless, Two others made comments that might be read as pro-AGW, but just with an idea and an assent. Jojo responded assertively, but didn't toss in highly provocative remarks. Here, he did. And it got worse. This particular post trolled Jed. It was highly sarcastic and in-your-face. It worked, and Jojo has shown great skill as a troll. He intensifies his trolling until he gets the response he really wants. This is not the first time he's demonstrated that, it's been documented before. In spite of what he claims, the record is clear, that Jojo is only here to engage in favorite topic flame wars, like the usurper-in-Chief (i.e. Obama), AGW, ragheads, or the like. At 08:57 AM 11/6/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: Well, I guess this is the end of the rope for me. I don't see much more leeway for my political hatred and religious posts anymore. Goodbye my friends. May you live in Interesting times with your newly minted messiah-in-thief. LOL Typical troll, actually. He's claimed he was leaving the list many times. He's promised to lay off others if they lay off him, but then, when they have stopped, he lays into them again. This is merely the latest demonstration. At 03:17 PM 12/17/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote a relatively sensible post in this thread, as to the central theme. (He argued that draconian measures re AGW shouldn't be taken if AGW wasn't certain.) However, he tossed in, as he usually does, provocative phrases and unnecessary comments. He's not just weaning his farm from oil, he's weaning it from raghead oil. He takes a libertarian position, which is fine. That is *not* the problem. He isn't just protesting some excessive concern about the environment, he brings up an entire world-view that is provocative: I just despise big, overreaching, communistic/socialist and fascist world governments telling you what to do to promote their Environmental Worshipping agenda. That, of course, invites anyone who seriously cares about the environment to jump in, and it implies that they are supporting big government, etc. At 03:36 PM 12/17/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: Harry, You said it best yourself. It may still ... Harry had made a simple comment *discussing* the issue, not rabid, simply raising a possibility, but Jojo, in direct response, referred to rabid AGW propagandists in this forum. And again referred to raghead oil -- the particular source of oil is *irrelevant* to the GW issue. Raghead refers to a favorite theme of Jojo's, the disparagement of Islam, Muslims, etc. Jojo made sure he mentioned his allegience to King Jesus Christ. Again, it was irrelevant, but he can then claim
Re: [Vo]:Giant potato just misses Earth
It sounds like one of Hannu Poropudas's Space Potatoes.
Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:33 AM, mole4l...@gmail.com mole4l...@gmail.comwrote: *Lucky Saint · 37 weeks ago No. Take 2 copper disks size of a penny. Put a dent in one. Mix ultrafine magnesium hydride soft iron powder and nickel powder in equalportions. Make sure ALL ball milling, preparation and procedures arestrictly inert atmosphere and dry box manipulations. Compress a portionof the mix to a small pill which fits easily into the disk indentation.Seal the chamber, welding with jeweler's tools. Place reactor in asmall beaker with water. Place on top of induction coil heating unit.Cause the water to boil from heat induced by alternating magneticfield. Once boiling, turn off the induction heater. Keep adding wateras the boiling will continue by itself for ? years. Mine is stillboiling after over 5 yeaes.* These instructions are reasonably specific. Has anyone tried replicating this? Is there any reason to believe Lucky Saint isn't just pulling our leg?
Re: [Vo]:Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: This particular post trolled Jed. It was highly sarcastic and in-your-face. It worked, and Jojo has shown great skill as a troll. For the record, I did not notice this. I trash his messages. It didn't work on me. I think that was a interesting thread. I added some comments that may be news to people here, such as the fact that the Japanese are engaged in a multi-year nationwide project to improve the earthquake resistance of their schools and other buildings. They began this before the 2011 earthquake. This is a much better use of construction money than building roads where no needs them. I am afraid the new P.M. Abe (second term) may go right back to the LDP's worst policies of building stuff no one wants. I think Abe is more in favor of using nuclear power than the present administration. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro
I think Michio Kaku's remarks of last week are also relevant - Kaku: Fukushima reactors a ticking time bomb Catastrophe beyond comprehension if major pipe break or quake (VIDEO) http://enenews.com/kaku-fukushima-reactors-like-ticking-time-bomb-catastrophe-beyond-comprehension-major-pipe-break-quake-video/comment-page-1 Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: This particular post trolled Jed. It was highly sarcastic and in-your-face. It worked, and Jojo has shown great skill as a troll. For the record, I did not notice this. I trash his messages. It didn't work on me. I think that was a interesting thread. I added some comments that may be news to people here, such as the fact that the Japanese are engaged in a multi-year nationwide project to improve the earthquake resistance of their schools and other buildings. They began this before the 2011 earthquake. This is a much better use of construction money than building roads where no needs them. I am afraid the new P.M. Abe (second term) may go right back to the LDP's worst policies of building stuff no one wants. I think Abe is more in favor of using nuclear power than the present administration. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro
Abd, My take on all of this… and I’m sure Jojo is listening in… I believe you have assembled a reasonably accurate chronology of Jojo’s posting proclivities. However, I suspect too many within the Collective are missing the primary reasons why Jojo’s posts what he posts. Too many miss it because they simply-respond to Jojo’s arguments with counter-arguments of their own. Unfortunately, this is precisely what Jojo wants us to do. Let me put it this way: Many of these arguments that Jojo has put forth… It’s really not about AGW. It’s really not about Obama’s actual birth location. It’s really not about those sinister Moon worshipers. I suspect most on this list get that about Jojo. It is instead, I suspect, about Jojo trying to find a script that will allow him to work out a huge amount of anger and rage he has internalized as a result of having been incessantly belittled when he was much younger, most likely as a child. It’s pretty clear to me that Jojo is a smart dude. He has a lot of intelligence. It’s probably what got him in trouble due to no fault of his own. I am most certainly speculating here but perhaps it was Jojo’s own pugnacious intelligence that intimidated some of his primary care-givers to no end - to the point that some of them felt that belittling him was the only way they surmised that they could once again achieve the upper hand. Whatever the reasons, IMO Jojo didn’t deserve to have been dumped on. Unfortunately, setting up script after script within Vortex-l where Jojo baits the collective into engaging in counter-arguments – that will never get to the root of the real injustice that was inflicted on Jojo earlier in his life. This is precisely why I strongly suggested to Jojo that he try to find a men’s group. It is within the safe and supportive confines of a men’s group, a group of individuals who are Jojo’s peers that will give him the crucial feedback he never received earlier in his life. I participated in a men’s group for over 10 years. It was one of the best things I ever did for myself. The sad fact about our highly frantic western culture is that too many men are simply not in touch with their own feelings. Too many men in our culture do not really understand intimacy, particularly the ability to express intimacy within our own gender. Our gender tends to equate “intimacy” as something only having to do with sex. Most women got over that ridiculous fallacy a long time ago. Unfortunately, too many of our gender have yet to understand that simple revelation. While it is quite natural for us to disagree amongst each other and then to argue (sometimes incessantly) about the particulars… it would not, IMO, be in Jojo’s best interests to constantly feed him counter arguments at this particular point. All that would accomplish is allow him set up additional scenarios where he can lash back at his perceived opponents - as within the Vortex-L group. IMO, Jojo needs to confront and then address all the crap that happened to him earlier in his life. It’s a big task and it can’t be done alone. You simply can’t figure your way out of that crap all by yourself. One of the best ways to address such issues would be within the safe confines of a men’s group where one can begin to recognize one’s anger, and then begin to safely work through that anger, and perhaps most import of all: get the vital feedback one didn’t get earlier in their life. BTW, trying to get a tad back on-topic here... We should not kid ourselves into assuming that a lack of being able to be intimate with one’s peers will not affect how one performs scientific research, such as in the CF field. That goes for both for solitary research as well as within a collective organization. More likely than not, it will affect the quality of one’s research - adversely so. My two cents Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orinworks
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat
On Tue Dec 18 James said [snip] Is there any reason to believe Lucky Saint isn't just pulling our leg?[/snip] James, He may still be pulling our leg but he is smart enough to embrace a specific theory that would support his recipe... Lucky Saint is supporting the same theory that I favor of a zero point basis for these anomalies. The milling is done with inert gas to prevent melt down and allow even tighter geometry formation of the powders. The premise is these geometries self destruct even with only ambient gases much less hydrogen and you will note how he transfers the sealed powder from glove box to being submerged in water - a heat sink that prevents some of the geometry from self destructing. Sort of borrowing from Lyne - Moller theory for geometry/powder and the immediate heat sinking is an insightful addition to systems already employed by Rossi and Mills I would call it a long shot but still possible! Fran From: James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 12:35 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:33 AM, mole4l...@gmail.commailto:mole4l...@gmail.com mole4l...@gmail.commailto:mole4l...@gmail.com wrote: *Lucky Saint * 37 weeks ago No. Take 2 copper disks size of a penny. Put a dent in one. Mix ultrafine magnesium hydride soft iron powder and nickel powder in equalportions. Make sure ALL ball milling, preparation and procedures arestrictly inert atmosphere and dry box manipulations. Compress a portionof the mix to a small pill which fits easily into the disk indentation.Seal the chamber, welding with jeweler's tools. Place reactor in asmall beaker with water. Place on top of induction coil heating unit.Cause the water to boil from heat induced by alternating magneticfield. Once boiling, turn off the induction heater. Keep adding wateras the boiling will continue by itself for ? years. Mine is stillboiling after over 5 yeaes.* These instructions are reasonably specific. Has anyone tried replicating this? Is there any reason to believe Lucky Saint isn't just pulling our leg?
Re: [Vo]:Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro
At 01:33 PM 12/18/2012, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Abd, My take on all of this and Iâm sure Jojo is listening inn I believe you have assembled a reasonably accurate chronology of Jojoâs posting proclivities. However, I suspect too many within the Collective are missing the primary reasons why Jojoâs posts what he posts. Too many miss it because they simply-respond to Jojoâs arguments with counter-arguments of their own. Unfortunately, this is precisely what Jojo wants us to do. Thanks, Steven. People on this list commonly assume that points are brought up here for discussion. Some people come here with some agenda, i.e., to push this or that idea, but the long-term participants are that way only with highly related issues. We know Jed Rothwell's position on cold fusion, pretty well. You probably know mine (though mine is not necessarily as fixed as it might appear to some). When someone comes here with something off-topic, there is a tolerance of some level of off-topic discussion. I took Jojo's claims seriously, even when they seemed preposterous to me. I found that they had no basis. They were sometimes claims that had been made at one time, when evidence to some people looked that way, but the evidentiary basis had long ago vanished, had been shown to be misleading or just plain wrong. He keeps asserting these things, and essentially ignores all contrary evidence. In one sense I wasted a lot of time tracking these things down. (Jojo makes assertions that are highly provocative, but has stated that he deliberately avoids posting links or citing accessible evidence, because he wants people to check for themselves. So I checked, and there was no there there. In another sense, I now have a better understanding of the birther movement and why it may have gathered steam at one time or another, but has almost completely died, except from those who have buried their heads in the muck. There is no discussion with Jojo. There is only response to provocation, and with escalation if one actually responds directly. That's harmful to the list. I'm pretty sure that it drives some readers away. (That alone would not be a reason to act, it would be a question of balance.) Steven, you went on to speculate about the origin of Jojo's character. You might be correct, but it's not really relevant. You've taken the occasion to give him advice, and I'd echo your advice, but ... Jojo shows no sign of having the capacity to listen or to respond to that kind of good will. From his childhood, he dug a very big hole for himself, it seems, and he's responsible for it because he is the one primarily suffering from it. No matter whose fault it was in the first place. I can wish him well in his struggles at the same time as I wish to see this list protected from the flame wars that arise.
Re: [Vo]:Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro
At 01:10 PM 12/18/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: This particular post trolled Jed. It was highly sarcastic and in-your-face. It worked, and Jojo has shown great skill as a troll. For the record, I did not notice this. I trash his messages. It didn't work on me. Actually, Jed, it did. I also trash his messages (they go into a quarantine folder which I don't routinely read). However, you responded in the thread he started, not to him, directly, but to others responding to him. He then has an excuse to claim that the rabid AGW propagandists in this forum. are dominating the forum and that he therefore has the right of reply. He can take almost any comment from you related in some way to AGW -- or any other Favorite Topic -- as rabid. I think that was a interesting thread. It could be. It was certainly popular, i.e., as I mentioned, I counted 53 posts this morning in the thread he started. Ten were from you. That's just a fact, I'm not saying it's wrong or improper, just that this is what happened. The problem is not Jojo's opinion on AGW. It's how every discussion becomes a personal attack, either literally against a participant, or of a group that someone might belong to -- a religious or ethnic or political group. And his positions are impervious to evidence, so that any actual discussion that arises goes nowhere but into stronger and stronger personal attacks. Yes, some might be considered to be aimed at him. But that's what trolls do. They set this up. Yes, you trash his messages. But some don't, and they respond to them, and then you respond to those messages. There is nothing wrong, per se, with discussing almost any topic here, to a degree. However, there has always been attention paid to *how* topics are discussed.
Re: [Vo]:Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:33:25 -0600 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: My take on all of this… and I’m sure Jojo is listening in… I just realized that the email client I use, it's called Sylpheed, not only lets you killfile messages from a particular user, or a particular subject, but the darn thing lets you killfile a message that contains a particular word or phrase. While I enjoy Jojo's posts, up to a point, they, and the responses they elicit, are getting to be a pain; so, with the wonderful killfile abilities of this email client, I never have to see Jojo's posts or the ones of people replying to him. I won't even see this one since it contains the Name. My guess is that other good email clients have the same filtering ability; people here might want to use it.
[Vo]:A Proposal to stop all Off-Topic posts (was: Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro)
Well, there is one thing these chronic off-topic posters can do, stop the off-topic posts and see if I don't stop myself. The AGW propaganda was never resolved. That is why I wanted to post this thread. I can not very well leave propaganda unanswered, can I? I've already stop my off-topic posts about Darwinian Evolution and about Christianity and God; so one can't say I have not tried to keep my word. OK, Here's the deal for everyone. If the guilty ones will lay off the OFF-TOPIC posts, you know who you are, then I will stop my off-topic posts. I've said it before, I've been saying it for almost a year now, and I'll say it again as clearly as everyone can understand. Lay off the off-topic posts from Vortex and you will never hear another peep from me. This time, I will unsubscribe permanently and not resubscirbe ever. If I violate my own promise, you can ask Bill to ban me permanently. So, how about it? Do we have a deal? Jed? SVJ? and you of course with your chronic verbal diarrhea. We could have a hard reset right now if you want. Wipe the slate clean and rebuild this fine fine fine forum to concentrate on finding a solution to the Cold Fusion problem. Note that I am only complaining about the chronic off-topic violators. An occasional off-topic post is OK, but these chronic violators make it a fine art. As for the rest of your posts, I did not even bother to read it; as with all your other lies about your mood god and muhammed's dozens of wives and concubines including a 9 year old girl. All the verbal diarrhea from you is tiresome and worthless and not worth reading. If you want me to read all your responses, learn to control your verbal diarrhea. Or at least learn how to write better so that it does not stink so much SVJ, oh you are so right about my childhood. Bravo One thing I've learned though, from my childhood is that I hate bullies, especially a gang of bullies. Ever since I was a child, I've always stood up to bullies often resulting in bloody noses. But I am not going to stop standing up to a gang of bullies to this forum. You break the rules of this forum with impunity and destroy this forum that I love and you insult me at every turn, and you expect me to lay quiet? Good luck with that. Jojo PS. As always, this is a calibrated insult to the same level of insults thrown my way. - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:45 AM Subject: [Vo]:Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro At 02:22 PM 12/17/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: Original Subject: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming Here's some new data that is worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming . [the complete post is quoted at the bottom] Jojo, below, claims that others are off-topic, so he can be, too. Yet he was not responding to some AGW propaganda. This was an original post in this subject header. The subject of AGW is of peripheral interest to the Vortex list, because of the perceived need for alternative, clean energy. So people sometimes mention it. However, this is not a place to debate AGW itself, it's peripheral. Jojo takes extreme positions, uses highly provocative and offensive language, and we can see what happens here. People bite. This thread generated 42 posts today, so far, plus 11 from him. Jojo wrote: BTW, I want nothing more than people laying off AGW (or Anti-AGW) propaganda from this forum. He's lying. This post (along with many others) demonstrates it. He deliberately provoked this discussion. He deliberately requested answer from a specific long-time list member, Jed. Jojo has a no-holds-barred retaliation policy. He wants everyone to shut up about global warming, he claims. So what was the last global warming discussion? At 03:24 PM 12/12/2012, Harry Veeder wrote a very brief post suggesting Cap carbon emissions, pay dividends to everyone, with a link. Yes. Off-topic, but it was harmlessly so. It was just an opinion, brief, and only provocative if one takes any comment that can be interpreted as pro-AGW as provocative. Jed Rothwell commented, Good idea! No attack on anyone, no disparaging comments. Just two words. At 05:43 PM 12/12/2012, Harry Veeder wrote another good idea which will be ignored. ;-) That was it, except for Jojo Jaro. At 07:47 PM 12/12/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote a post starting with As it should be. It is a lousy idea. He ended with There is not Anthropic Global Warming. You disagree... good! Let's agree to disagree. But let's agree to stop the off-topic propaganda in Vortex. Nobody else responded, until Jojo, five days later, out of the blue, vigorousy stirred the pot with this thread. The first post, quoted below, was merely anti-AGW propaganda. The original discussion, the 12th was harmless, Two others made comments that might be read as
Re: [Vo]:A Proposal to stop all Off-Topic posts (was: Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro)
The point the others are making it is that you are the sole bullying of this forum and you are getting away without being punished. Also, you constantly play the victim, which makes it even more annoying. 2012/12/18 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com . You break the rules of this forum with impunity and destroy this forum that I love and you insult me at every turn, and you expect me to lay quiet? Good luck with that. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: For the record, I did not notice this. I trash his messages. It didn't work on me. Actually, Jed, it did. I also trash his messages (they go into a quarantine folder which I don't routinely read). Well, okay, but he did not push any buttons (upset me). I did not notice the thread was started by him. Don't worry about him. Life is too short to worry about such people. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A Proposal to stop all Off-Topic posts (was: Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro)
I like seeing posts about giant potatoes and stealth aircraft technology being defeated by university profs. What harm is there in off-topic stuff? Just ignore trolls. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A Proposal to stop all Off-Topic posts (was: Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro)
Is it worth pointing out that if you all did what Jed does -- filter Jojo out -- you wouldn't have to be annoyed over what he says. The end result would have the same result as banning him without the need for appeals to the list mom to do the dirty work. [mg] On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: The point the others are making it is that you are the sole bullying of this forum and you are getting away without being punished. Also, you constantly play the victim, which makes it even more annoying. 2012/12/18 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com . You break the rules of this forum with impunity and destroy this forum that I love and you insult me at every turn, and you expect me to lay quiet? Good luck with that. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
[Vo]:Interview of Bob Greenyer and Mathieu Valat (MFMP)
Dec-17 Interview of Bob Greenyer and Mathieu Valat of The Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project (Audio-Video) http://smartscarecrow.com/2012/12/20121217-the-martin-fleischmann-memorial-project/
Re: [Vo]:A Proposal to stop all Off-Topic posts (was: Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro)
Well, danny boy, why don't you stop insulting me and see what happens. I have not insulted you since the last time you've insulted me, have I? See if you can prove me wrong on this. It's very simple, stop the insults and the insults will stop. OK, if you consider my call to stop off-topic posts as bullying; then yes, I am bullying. But the rules are in place to prevent exactly this kind of mess. People violate the rules with impunity and I call for a stop to it; and I'm the bully? Which twilight zone are you living in? If Bill decides to change the rules to allow off-topic posts to the wazooo... then I will respect it. But in the meantime, people should respect his rules and not make up the rules as we go. Stop the off-topic posts. My friend, believe it or not, but that is ALL I WANT for this forum. No political, religious and personal agenda. And contrary to some so called expert's assessment, I'm not here to vent my anger or my repressed childhood. LOL .(literally LOL) Jojo - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:02 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:A Proposal to stop all Off-Topic posts (was: Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro) The point the others are making it is that you are the sole bullying of this forum and you are getting away without being punished. Also, you constantly play the victim, which makes it even more annoying. 2012/12/18 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com . You break the rules of this forum with impunity and destroy this forum that I love and you insult me at every turn, and you expect me to lay quiet? Good luck with that. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:A Proposal to stop all Off-Topic posts (was: Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro)
You are playing the victim again. I am not insulting you. I am merely asking for your banishment. 2012/12/18 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com ** Well, danny boy, why don't you stop insulting me and see what happens. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
[Vo]:Largest Calving Event Ever Caught on Tape
Imagine Manhattan breaking off into the ocean: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/12/12/chasing_ice_video_watch_a_manhattan_sized_iceberg_calve_off_from_greenland.html soon to be a feature film: http://chasingice.co.uk/
Re: [Vo]:A Proposal to stop all Off-Topic posts (was: Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro)
This thread should be labeled [OT] as it is off topic.
Re: [Vo]:A Proposal to stop all Off-Topic posts (was: Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro)
Well, did I insult you? I never insult back unless I am insulted. I don't understand why you can't comprehend that. It's simply Newton's third law of civilized behavior. Jojo - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:A Proposal to stop all Off-Topic posts (was: Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro) You are playing the victim again. I am not insulting you. I am merely asking for your banishment. 2012/12/18 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com Well, danny boy, why don't you stop insulting me and see what happens. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:New Anti-Stealth tech
Reminds me of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geordi_La_Forge mic 2012/12/18 Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com ** http://www.businessinsider.com/quantum-imaging-university-of-rochester-radar-stealth-f-35-fifth-generation-2012-12 A new imaging technology has been developed that may make stealth obsolete. May put a crimp in all that bombing and strafing.
Re: [Vo]:A Proposal to stop all Off-Topic posts (was: Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro)
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: This thread should be labeled [OT] as it is off topic. A recursive function! A programmer's nightmare. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming ....
John, you mention a tipping point of some sort as being possible. I tend to agree that it seems likely that some event triggered by the Earth's heating will cause another unexpected one to occur. We have seen evidence that the climate has undergone many rises and falls over eons. My thoughts are that this is the natural consequences of having a complex system with many periodic as well as asynchronous drivers. I am not convinced that the turn around can be boiled down to one tipper, but there most likely is a group of related effects involved. The one situation that has always been observed is that the climate is changing. If this is true, then we will be subjected to either a warming climate or cooling climate that would happen whether or not we are around. The recent static spell that has been alluded to for the last decade or so demonstrates that we do not understand the system very well since it is outside of the range of our models. We must not have too much faith in these constructs. They are only as good as our current understanding of the Earth and its climate system, which is improving daily. I have seen convincing evidence that cloud formation as a result of cosmic rays is one very key factor which is not even taken into account by the models. And, if you dig into it, you will see that the current models make wild assumptions with respect to positive feedback effects of the calculated carbon dioxide warming and water vapor. It is acknowledged that water vapor is the major heat trapper with carbon dioxide far behind. Only if you assume that carbon dioxide achieves star performance by forcing water vapor to do 8 or so times its relatively minor drive do you get the large warming expected by the models. (COP of 8 maybe?) You might ask yourself how is a tipping point possible when none of the models suggest such a thing. If one or more truly exist, then the models must be trash. How could they miss such a major event if they represent the climate to any reasonable degree? So, when I hear climatologist's allude to tipping points that may exist, I equate that statement to saying that our models are most likely seriously in error. The only sensible course of action is to sit back and enjoy the warm weather until it is determined that we are indeed the cause of dangerous global warming. And thank God every day that it is not getting colder instead since that is the other much worse option. Keep working on LENR and other sources of energy which will eventually replace most of the fossil fuel usage. You mentioned that it would not be wise to wait until the fire gets bigger before you attack it. Sometimes that is exactly the best plan of action. It is wise to make the call to the fire department before you go out to the barn with your bucket of water to fight a moderate sized fire. Chances are you will get burned by the flames that are already too large for your bucket. Once the well trained fighters arrive, the fire is quickly put out. These fire fighters are standing in for the future technologies that will come along much better equipped than we are today to attack global warming if that is actually required. Please do not consider me to be sinking my head in the sand hoping that the predator will pass. A well reasoned and proven approach is far superior to a mad emotional rush toward a problem. Panic hardly ever results in success and there is little reason to do so with the enormous time frame at our disposal. Perform the science first and then lets figure out the best solution. When I hear the expression The Science Is Settled, it makes my blood boil. It has been stated many times before in our history and it is as wrong now as then. Why waste time following LENR when the science has been settled (according to most physicists) that it is not possible? Dave -Original Message- From: John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:54 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming ... My understanding is that if a tipping point exists and it well might, then the process of either melting the ice caps or paradoxically triggering an ice age might be unable to be stopped at least by any reasonable means. In fact inertia alone is enough to make a situation very hard to stop. This sound like very irresponsible logic. Compared to ignoring a fire because it isn't very big yet, or isn't quite at your place yet. but we do need to worry about our grandchildren. Ok, good save. .
Re: [Vo]:A Proposal to stop all Off-Topic posts (was: Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro)
Guys, I find the occasional off topic post enjoyable and educational. It would be a shame to avoid them entirely and so far I do not think the level of these types of postings is excessive. I tend to become focused on a subject and need a few relaxing moments to clear my mind. Terry can always find a way to blow our minds. Where does a guy receive such training? Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 4:40 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A Proposal to stop all Off-Topic posts (was: Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro) Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: This thread should be labeled [OT] as it is off topic. A recursive function! A programmer's nightmare. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A Proposal to stop all Off-Topic posts (was: Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro)
Dave sez: Terry can always find a way to blow our minds. Where does a guy receive such training? Cats. (I'm still in training myself.) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming ....
Is not screwing with nature more than we have to, not polluting indiscriminately, not interfering with a natural system more than we must inherently the safer option? If I were proposing some massive operation, some space shield or some active solution you could have a point. But you are suggesting it is safer to continue polluting and disrupting the environment because we don't know enough and we will know better in the future. This does seem more like a contrived excuse to not rock the apple cart than a genuine intelligent action. John On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:53 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: John, you mention a tipping point of some sort as being possible. I tend to agree that it seems likely that some event triggered by the Earth's heating will cause another unexpected one to occur. We have seen evidence that the climate has undergone many rises and falls over eons. My thoughts are that this is the natural consequences of having a complex system with many periodic as well as asynchronous drivers. I am not convinced that the turn around can be boiled down to one tipper, but there most likely is a group of related effects involved. The one situation that has always been observed is that the climate is changing. If this is true, then we will be subjected to either a warming climate or cooling climate that would happen whether or not we are around. The recent static spell that has been alluded to for the last decade or so demonstrates that we do not understand the system very well since it is outside of the range of our models. We must not have too much faith in these constructs. They are only as good as our current understanding of the Earth and its climate system, which is improving daily. I have seen convincing evidence that cloud formation as a result of cosmic rays is one very key factor which is not even taken into account by the models. And, if you dig into it, you will see that the current models make wild assumptions with respect to positive feedback effects of the calculated carbon dioxide warming and water vapor. It is acknowledged that water vapor is the major heat trapper with carbon dioxide far behind. Only if you assume that carbon dioxide achieves star performance by forcing water vapor to do 8 or so times its relatively minor drive do you get the large warming expected by the models. (COP of 8 maybe?) You might ask yourself how is a tipping point possible when none of the models suggest such a thing. If one or more truly exist, then the models must be trash. How could they miss such a major event if they represent the climate to any reasonable degree? So, when I hear climatologist's allude to tipping points that may exist, I equate that statement to saying that our models are most likely seriously in error. The only sensible course of action is to sit back and enjoy the warm weather until it is determined that we are indeed the cause of dangerous global warming. And thank God every day that it is not getting colder instead since that is the other much worse option. Keep working on LENR and other sources of energy which will eventually replace most of the fossil fuel usage. You mentioned that it would not be wise to wait until the fire gets bigger before you attack it. Sometimes that is exactly the best plan of action. It is wise to make the call to the fire department before you go out to the barn with your bucket of water to fight a moderate sized fire. Chances are you will get burned by the flames that are already too large for your bucket. Once the well trained fighters arrive, the fire is quickly put out. These fire fighters are standing in for the future technologies that will come along much better equipped than we are today to attack global warming if that is actually required. Please do not consider me to be sinking my head in the sand hoping that the predator will pass. A well reasoned and proven approach is far superior to a mad emotional rush toward a problem. Panic hardly ever results in success and there is little reason to do so with the enormous time frame at our disposal. Perform the science first and then lets figure out the best solution. When I hear the expression The Science Is Settled, it makes my blood boil. It has been stated many times before in our history and it is as wrong now as then. Why waste time following LENR when the science has been settled (according to most physicists) that it is not possible? Dave -Original Message- From: John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:54 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming ... My understanding is that if a tipping point exists and it well might, then the process of either melting the ice caps or paradoxically triggering an ice age might be unable to be stopped at least by any
[Vo]:OT: was: A Proposal to stop all Off-Topic posts
Hi, On 18-12-2012 22:39, Jed Rothwell wrote: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: This thread should be labeled [OT] as it is off topic. A recursive function! A programmer's nightmare. Not really, more a fun challenge for a good software engineer. Kind regards, Rob
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat
Well, let's respond straightly. If our friend has this boiling device (five years!), then he can easily show it. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2012, at 2:08 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: On Tue Dec 18 James said [snip] Is there any reason to believe Lucky Saint isn't just pulling our leg?[/snip] James, He may still be pulling our leg but he is smart enough to embrace a specific theory that would support his recipe… “Lucky Saint” is supporting the same theory that I favor of a zero point basis for these anomalies. The milling is done with inert gas to prevent melt down and allow even tighter geometry formation of the powders. The premise is these geometries self destruct even with only ambient gases much less hydrogen and you will note how he transfers the sealed powder from glove box to being submerged in water – a heat sink that prevents some of the geometry from self destructing. Sort of borrowing from Lyne – Moller theory for geometry/powder and the immediate heat sinking is an insightful addition to systems already employed by Rossi and Mills…. I would call it a long shot but still possible! Fran From: James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 12:35 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:33 AM, mole4l...@gmail.com mole4l...@gmail.com wrote: *Lucky Saint · 37 weeks ago No. Take 2 copper disks size of a penny. Put a dent in one. Mix ultrafine magnesium hydride soft iron powder and nickel powder in equalportions. Make sure ALL ball milling, preparation and procedures arestrictly inert atmosphere and dry box manipulations. Compress a portionof the mix to a small pill which fits easily into the disk indentation.Seal the chamber, welding with jeweler's tools. Place reactor in asmall beaker with water. Place on top of induction coil heating unit.Cause the water to boil from heat induced by alternating magneticfield. Once boiling, turn off the induction heater. Keep adding wateras the boiling will continue by itself for ? years. Mine is stillboiling after over 5 yeaes.* These instructions are reasonably specific. Has anyone tried replicating this? Is there any reason to believe Lucky Saint isn't just pulling our leg?
[Vo]:[OT] It's a sad situation...
Greetings Vorts! Although it goes against my general principles, I have set up a filter to remove from my inbox any email containing a particular four-letter word in either the subject, from, or body fields. I am not a particularly prudish type, but when over fifty percent of one's emails from the Vortex contain the offending word something must be done. It is deeply regretted that I will miss some well thought out and worthwhile communications that, perhaps innocently, include the four-letter word as a result of replying to posts that included it. This is a shame and I sincerely hope that I will be able to remove the filter soon. Sincerely, Andy Findlay.
[Vo]:Request about off-topic threads.
Just please don't put anything about alternative energy in an off-topic thread. That was those of us interested in alternative energy can just ignore the off-topic threads. Jeff
Re: [Vo]:Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro
From Abd: ... ... Jojo shows no sign of having the capacity to listen or to respond to that kind of good will. Instructions: “Repeat application on a regular basis till irritation goes away. Some irritations take longer to heal. If irritation persists seek the advice of a doctor as a different topical solution may be in order.” Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:A Proposal to stop all Off-Topic posts (was: Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro)
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 5:01 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Terry can always find a way to blow our minds. Where does a guy receive such training? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming Or all the LSD I did in college. Or Cats. (All the above.)
Re: [Vo]:Request about off-topic threads.
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: Just please don't put anything about alternative energy in an off-topic thread. That was those of us interested in alternative energy can just ignore the off-topic threads. http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/12/english-transcript-of-svt-cold-fusion-program/ Oops! Sorry; but, you didn't label it off-topic.
Re: [Vo]:Request about off-topic threads.
the sequence of on-off messages is a hidden message in binary code ;-) Harry On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: Just please don't put anything about alternative energy in an off-topic thread. That was those of us interested in alternative energy can just ignore the off-topic threads. http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/12/english-transcript-of-svt-cold-fusion-program/ Oops! Sorry; but, you didn't label it off-topic.
Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming ....
John, I also make every attempt to protect the Earth and its environment and am an outdoors man. I own mountain lands and make every effort to keep them in a natural wilderness state. The thought of cutting down the hardwood trees does not cross my mind. The Earth is precious to me and I want very much to see it healthy just as you. I also have a concern for our fellow people that must be included within our plans. From experience I can state that the engineering projects that I have been associated with were generally most successful when adequate energy was spent ahead of time locating and solving difficult problems that were not anticipated. You can be quite sure that the unknowns will bite you in the rear if not found early. There is no substitute for knowledge or true science in the case of global warming. And in this particular case time is one of the important parameters in our favor. This is generally not the case when profits are concerned. Do you honestly think that the next 20 years will be wasted if good science is applied to the global warming problem? When I say good I mean open, honest, evaluation of the facts and not what has been substituted for it recently. How can we get at the truth when a young scientist becomes blacklisted if he does not toe the line? Why should we believe much of the data that has been presented by unnamed climatologists when they secretly refuse and prevent the publishing of information that does not match their agenda? Take a look at the ridiculous behavior exhibited by the folks in charge of the Cloud experiment at CERN. The scientists were instructed not to make any inferences of how their clearly important discovery would impact the global warming discussions? Do you think they would have been given those same orders had the results supported the case for man made warming? It is enough to make one sick. No, the science is not settled at all and we all need to understand that fact. Sure, a lot of the scientists suggest it is due to carbon dioxide, but many scientists suggest that LENR is bunk as well. The whole issue needs more study and that is what it most likely will receive if science wins the debate. I am fairly well convinced that there is more politics involved in the controversy than actual science fact. As they say, follow the money. Who stands to benefit the most from the current carbon emission plans? I tend to throw examples over the wall, so here comes one that is easy to follow. How about if in 1950 I told you I wanted you to build me a hand held radio that was the size of a shoe box and which offered a camera that could remotely send pictures back to our location. Furthermore, this radio had to scramble our communications so that no one could understand them. Of course the batteries had to be included and it must run for at least 6 hours before the batteries were discharged. I am willing to let the frequency stability slide instead of asking for 1 ppm which is not difficult today. You would throw up your hands in horror and inform me that I needed to seek professional help because that was totally insane. Furthermore, you would inform me that it would most likely never be possible. Your mind is trapped within the state of current technology since at that time vacuum tubes were the only game in town that anyone understood. Sure, transistors had been discovered a few years prior, but they were extremely crude by today's standards and incapable of operation beyond a few hundred kilohertz. Now a little more than 60 years has elapsed and a current engineer would ask why I need such a large box? The task would be relatively simple with today's technology and that is the moral to the story. It probably would be impossible to use our current knowledge to make a serious dent in global warming. The cost would leave billions of people without things that we take for granted in our lives since that money would become unavailable to finance humanitarian projects. That is the cost of action that is too fast and unplanned. Let the science work as it should without the involvement of politics. Determine if there really is a problem and then when the time is right make a move toward solving the issues without panic. Do not worry, as long as we make it past the 21 st, all will be fine. Optimism trumps pessimism every time. Careful planning beats panic in just about every case. Dave -Original Message- From: John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:05 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming Is not screwing with nature more than we have to, not polluting indiscriminately, not interfering with a natural system more than we must inherently the safer option? If I were proposing some massive operation, some space shield or some active solution you
[Vo]:Everything was fine until ....
You know, everything was going along fine and nobody was exchanging insults until the moon god worshipper and the libtard from Wisconsin started a whole new round of insults. I dare you to find an insult that I directed at anybody in the New Data ... thread I started. If you look at that thread, a few of us were exchanging and discussing in a more or less civilized fashion without insults, until a couple of maladjusted individuals with an inferiority complex about worshipping a 2nd rate moon god preached by a sex-perverted, 9 year-old girl molesting prophet started butting in and changing the topic; and started off his posts with a new round of insults. You will also notice that prior to this thread, I already gave him the last word in our previous round of insults. I gave him the last word as I always said I would. OK, whatever you want to believe. I am not the problem here. I don't start insults. Never do. But the moon god worshipper loves to thrive in conflict with his legnthy verbal diarrhea that he thinks is so smart because it's wordy. Just like he thinks he's an expert in Physics because he sat under Feynman but never graduated from any degree because he did not have the smarts or the discipline to do so. LOL Say what you want, at least I finished my engineering degree and I don't claim and never have claimed to be an expert in anything. LOL BTW, he also thinks he's a expert in Arabic. OK whatever. OK, moon god worshipper... you may have the last word. I am not going to respond to you anymore. Jojo
Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming ....
Well thought out response Dave. This is what I was trying to express to some apparently without success. Yes, the science has to be settled and settled openly; not crammed down people's throats. Jojo - Original Message - From: David Roberson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming Do you honestly think that the next 20 years will be wasted if good science is applied to the global warming problem? When I say good I mean open, honest, evaluation of the facts and not what has been substituted for it recently. How can we get at the truth when a young scientist becomes blacklisted if he does not toe the line? Why should we believe much of the data that has been presented by unnamed climatologists when they secretly refuse and prevent the publishing of information that does not match their agenda? Take a look at the ridiculous behavior exhibited by the folks in charge of the Cloud experiment at CERN. The scientists were instructed not to make any inferences of how their clearly important discovery would impact the global warming discussions? Do you think they would have been given those same orders had the results supported the case for man made warming? It is enough to make one sick. No, the science is not settled at all and we all need to understand that fact. Sure, a lot of the scientists suggest it is due to carbon dioxide, but many scientists suggest that LENR is bunk as well. The whole issue needs more study and that is what it most likely will receive if science wins the debate. I am fairly well convinced that there is more politics involved in the controversy than actual science fact. As they say, follow the money. Who stands to benefit the most from the current carbon emission plans? Dave
Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming ....
Dave, I have not yet read the rest of your post. But smiled as soon as you mentioned your concern for nature. Of course Jaro too is concerned enough with clean green energy that he produces his power cleanly at surely great initial outlay.. And if you are prosecuting a 1 legged intersexual midget, your best bet would be to use a 1 legged intersexual midget prosecutor. Ok, maybe I took that too far. But obviously if you are defending pollution no one is going to be doing that as a Texan oil field owner. So while I am not accusing you of making anything up. And I am not accusing you of being paid to share such views. There are people who do and are. And they would say very much what you say, and act very much like you act. It's not so much that I am convinced that you are paid by 'them', but maybe you should be? Of course you are supposing that I follow the money involved in carbon credits. And ignore the money trail of oil, which is I think the biggest money maker in the world. John On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:27 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: John, I also make every attempt to protect the Earth and its environment and am an outdoors man. I own mountain lands and make every effort to keep them in a natural wilderness state. The thought of cutting down the hardwood trees does not cross my mind. The Earth is precious to me and I want very much to see it healthy just as you. I also have a concern for our fellow people that must be included within our plans. From experience I can state that the engineering projects that I have been associated with were generally most successful when adequate energy was spent ahead of time locating and solving difficult problems that were not anticipated. You can be quite sure that the unknowns will bite you in the rear if not found early. There is no substitute for knowledge or true science in the case of global warming. And in this particular case time is one of the important parameters in our favor. This is generally not the case when profits are concerned. Do you honestly think that the next 20 years will be wasted if good science is applied to the global warming problem? When I say good I mean open, honest, evaluation of the facts and not what has been substituted for it recently. How can we get at the truth when a young scientist becomes blacklisted if he does not toe the line? Why should we believe much of the data that has been presented by unnamed climatologists when they secretly refuse and prevent the publishing of information that does not match their agenda? Take a look at the ridiculous behavior exhibited by the folks in charge of the Cloud experiment at CERN. The scientists were instructed not to make any inferences of how their clearly important discovery would impact the global warming discussions? Do you think they would have been given those same orders had the results supported the case for man made warming? It is enough to make one sick. No, the science is not settled at all and we all need to understand that fact. Sure, a lot of the scientists suggest it is due to carbon dioxide, but many scientists suggest that LENR is bunk as well. The whole issue needs more study and that is what it most likely will receive if science wins the debate. I am fairly well convinced that there is more politics involved in the controversy than actual science fact. As they say, follow the money. Who stands to benefit the most from the current carbon emission plans? I tend to throw examples over the wall, so here comes one that is easy to follow. How about if in 1950 I told you I wanted you to build me a hand held radio that was the size of a shoe box and which offered a camera that could remotely send pictures back to our location. Furthermore, this radio had to scramble our communications so that no one could understand them. Of course the batteries had to be included and it must run for at least 6 hours before the batteries were discharged. I am willing to let the frequency stability slide instead of asking for 1 ppm which is not difficult today. You would throw up your hands in horror and inform me that I needed to seek professional help because that was totally insane. Furthermore, you would inform me that it would most likely never be possible. Your mind is trapped within the state of current technology since at that time vacuum tubes were the only game in town that anyone understood. Sure, transistors had been discovered a few years prior, but they were extremely crude by today's standards and incapable of operation beyond a few hundred kilohertz. Now a little more than 60 years has elapsed and a current engineer would ask why I need such a large box? The task would be relatively simple with today's technology and that is the moral to the story. It probably would be impossible to use our current knowledge to make a serious dent in global
Re: [Vo]:[OT] It's a sad situation...
Andy Findlay andy_find...@orange.net wrote: Although it goes against my general principles, I have set up a filter to remove from my inbox any email containing a particular four-letter word in either the subject, from, or body fields. I am not a particularly prudish type, but when over fifty percent of one's emails from the Vortex contain the offending word something must be done. Okay. So . . . What is the word?!? What is your magic filter? - Jed
[Vo]:Weather takes a turn for the worst on Friday...
http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2012/12/17/329391-best-mayan-cal endar-jokes-and-memes-people-find-end-of-the-world-funny.jpg Which is 12/21/2012. ;-) image001.jpg
Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming ....
John, maybe I should apply to the oil barons for money. I assure you that I am on no one's payroll at the moment. Perhaps you should consider that some people just believe differently than you on this subject. I have a strong suspicion of climate scientists now particularly after I realize that they tend to suppress the facts on many occasions if it does not match their beliefs. Maybe I was expecting too much of them; after all they are human like the rest of us. The behavior of many of the physicists regarding LENR is deplorable and I see parallels in the global warming arena. The issue of man caused warming is much too important for us to allow this type of activity. It actually amazes me that those guys appear to be used like pawns by the politicians. I am afraid the media is also guilty in the way they seem to always suggest that global warming is responsible for every ill. I guess I should forgive them for these actions since they generally do not have a clue about much of anything. I have only spoken of what I perceive as truth on this list. All the statements have been my beliefs. I have not followed the money trail of the oil companies and do not have any idea of the amount of influence they may have over the discussions. If they are in fact working to skew the science then pox on their houses. We need honest science and there can be no substitute for that when we face such important decisions. When I reviewed the information supplied by one of the previous VP's of the US I was appalled by the lack of honesty. I don't know about your culture, but where I live it is outright lying to not mention all of the facts if you know of them and they go against your presentations to others. Many times I saw this sort of behavior in his movie about global warming. Then I found out that it is reported that he is deeply involved with the carbon credit markets. I wonder why he wants immediate action? This is not an example I would want my kids to follow. You seem to be a typical decent guy that is environmentally conscious. But do consider the impact of your suggestions for change upon the masses that are less fortunate than us. Why rush to waste resources while people go hungry? I merely think that we need to be darn sure of the consequences of our actions before that happens. Again, make sure that the problem is real before panic rules your life. Time is available to do the science right as required and to find solutions. Enough said about this issue. Dave -Original Message- From: John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 7:08 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming Dave, I have not yet read the rest of your post. But smiled as soon as you mentioned your concern for nature. Of course Jaro too is concerned enough with clean green energy that he produces his power cleanly at surely great initial outlay.. And if you are prosecuting a 1 legged intersexual midget, your best bet would be to use a 1 legged intersexual midget prosecutor. Ok, maybe I took that too far. But obviously if you are defending pollution no one is going to be doing that as a Texan oil field owner. So while I am not accusing you of making anything up. And I am not accusing you of being paid to share such views. There are people who do and are. And they would say very much what you say, and act very much like you act. It's not so much that I am convinced that you are paid by 'them', but maybe you should be? Of course you are supposing that I follow the money involved in carbon credits. And ignore the money trail of oil, which is I think the biggest money maker in the world. John
Re: [Vo]:Continued trolling by Jojo Jaro
Good idea, I have filtered him so I am no longer able to be provoked by his trolling. Never setup a filter in gmail before, but not hard. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:55 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From Abd: ... ... Jojo shows no sign of having the capacity to listen or to respond to that kind of good will. Instructions: “Repeat application on a regular basis till irritation goes away. Some irritations take longer to heal. If irritation persists seek the advice of a doctor as a different topical solution may be in order.” Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Weather takes a turn for the worst on Friday...
I am not sure there is anywhere to hide from that one Mark. I had to replace my heat pump this summer so at least it is capable of maximum performance. How many BTU's do you think it will take to make it through Friday? Saturday is my wedding anniversary, perhaps I can skip shopping for a gift? What do you think? Dave -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 7:43 pm Subject: [Vo]:Weather takes a turn for the worst on Friday... Which is 12/21/2012… ;-)
Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming ....
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:47 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: John, maybe I should apply to the oil barons for money. I assure you that I am on no one's payroll at the moment. Perhaps you should consider that some people just believe differently than you on this subject. I have a strong suspicion of climate scientists now particularly after I realize that they tend to suppress the facts on many occasions if it does not match their beliefs. Maybe I was expecting too much of them; after all they are human like the rest of us. It is very hard to find unbiased and intellectually honest people. It is very hard to be unbiased and intellectually honest. The payoff is worth it though. The behavior of many of the physicists regarding LENR is deplorable and I see parallels in the global warming arena. Just look and you will see it everywhere. If for no other reason than society has worked by people working together in cliques. By agreeing on things, agreement (consensus reality) over actual truth. The issue of man caused warming is much too important for us to allow this type of activity. It actually amazes me that those guys appear to be used like pawns by the politicians. How do politicians gain anything from being anti-global warming? Especially with the corruption in Washington DC with the lobbying, surely oil has an effective lobby. I do not see evidence that this is backed by political forces, except of course for Al Gore. And he came out with that when he had little to lose politically. I am afraid the media is also guilty in the way they seem to always suggest that global warming is responsible for every ill. I guess I should forgive them for these actions since they generally do not have a clue about much of anything. I have only spoken of what I perceive as truth on this list. All the statements have been my beliefs. I have not followed the money trail of the oil companies and do not have any idea of the amount of influence they may have over the discussions. They fund many fake organizations to weight in. If they are in fact working to skew the science then pox on their houses. We need honest science and there can be no substitute for that when we face such important decisions. When I reviewed the information supplied by one of the previous VP's of the US I was appalled by the lack of honesty. I don't know about your culture New Zealand is apparently one of the least corrupt countries in the world. I find that a concerning indication for the rest of the world. , but where I live it is outright lying to not mention all of the facts if you know of them and they go against your presentations to others. Many times I saw this sort of behavior in his movie about global warming. Then I found out that it is reported that he is deeply involved with the carbon credit markets. I wonder why he wants immediate action? This is not an example I would want my kids to follow. You seem to be a typical decent guy that is environmentally conscious. But do consider the impact of your suggestions for change upon the masses that are less fortunate than us. Why rush to waste resources while people go hungry? I believe that toppling of oil will ring many such issues. As many of these issues exist because of oil in one way or another. I merely think that we need to be darn sure of the consequences of our actions before that happens. Again, make sure that the problem is real before panic rules your life. Time is available to do the science right as required and to find solutions. You believe. Enough said about this issue. Dave -Original Message- From: John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 7:08 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global Warming Dave, I have not yet read the rest of your post. But smiled as soon as you mentioned your concern for nature. Of course Jaro too is concerned enough with clean green energy that he produces his power cleanly at surely great initial outlay.. And if you are prosecuting a 1 legged intersexual midget, your best bet would be to use a 1 legged intersexual midget prosecutor. Ok, maybe I took that too far. But obviously if you are defending pollution no one is going to be doing that as a Texan oil field owner. So while I am not accusing you of making anything up. And I am not accusing you of being paid to share such views. There are people who do and are. And they would say very much what you say, and act very much like you act. It's not so much that I am convinced that you are paid by 'them', but maybe you should be? Of course you are supposing that I follow the money involved in carbon credits. And ignore the money trail of oil, which is I think the biggest money maker in the world. John
RE: [Vo]:Weather takes a turn for the worst on Friday...
Dave: If you skip shopping for the wife’s anniversary gift, I think Friday’s weather will have been a walk in the park come Saturday eve… BTU = Blow-Torch Uniform J Happy Anniversary, and Merry Christmas! -mark From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 4:53 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Weather takes a turn for the worst on Friday... I am not sure there is anywhere to hide from that one Mark. I had to replace my heat pump this summer so at least it is capable of maximum performance. How many BTU's do you think it will take to make it through Friday? Saturday is my wedding anniversary, perhaps I can skip shopping for a gift? What do you think? Dave -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 7:43 pm Subject: [Vo]:Weather takes a turn for the worst on Friday... http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2012/12/17/329391-best-mayan-calendar-jokes-and-memes-people-find-end-of-the-world-funny.jpg Which is 12/21/2012… ;-) image001.jpg
RE: [Vo]:Largest Calving Event Ever Caught on Tape
From Terry: soon to be a feature film: http://chasingice.co.uk/ My God! It's full of ice! Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Weather takes a turn for the worst on Friday...
Looks like you have a higher concentration of orbital dark/vacuum energy overhead right now in your area, condensing and cooling the atmosphere. Enjoy. Should be more of it over the next year with an active sun lobbing entropic snow balls our way. Atlanta has been cool too, I could see lots of overhead condensing contrails I used to call clouds yesterday... The weak anthropic principal and vacuum energy density varies on Earth at any given time and is at its highest at the center of a hurricane or tornado where life cannot flourish and dark/vacuum energy is orbiting and condensing matter. It can also condense CO2... See, we already knew it, we just had to open our eyes. Happy Holidays Stewart Darkmattersalot.com On Tuesday, December 18, 2012, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: Dave: If you skip shopping for the wife’s anniversary gift, I think Friday’s weather will have been a walk in the park come Saturday eve… BTU = Blow-Torch Uniform J Happy Anniversary, and Merry Christmas! -mark ** ** *From:* David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, December 18, 2012 4:53 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Weather takes a turn for the worst on Friday... ** ** I am not sure there is anywhere to hide from that one Mark. I had to replace my heat pump this summer so at least it is capable of maximum performance. How many BTU's do you think it will take to make it through Friday? ** ** Saturday is my wedding anniversary, perhaps I can skip shopping for a gift? What do you think? ** ** Dave -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 7:43 pm Subject: [Vo]:Weather takes a turn for the worst on Friday... [image: http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2012/12/17/329391-best-mayan-calendar-jokes-and-memes-people-find-end-of-the-world-funny.jpg] Which is 12/21/2012… ;-)
Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:33 AM, mole4l...@gmail.com mole4l...@gmail.comwrote: *Lucky Saint · 37 weeks ago No. Take 2 copper disks size of a penny. Put a dent in one. Mix ultrafine magnesium hydride soft iron powder and nickel powder in equalportions. Make sure ALL ball milling, preparation and procedures arestrictly inert atmosphere and dry box manipulations. Compress a portionof the mix to a small pill which fits easily into the disk indentation.Seal the chamber, welding with jeweler's tools. Place reactor in asmall beaker with water. Place on top of induction coil heating unit.Cause the water to boil from heat induced by alternating magneticfield. Once boiling, turn off the induction heater. Keep adding wateras the boiling will continue by itself for ? years. Mine is stillboiling after over 5 yeaes.* These instructions are reasonably specific. Has anyone tried replicating this? Is there any reason to believe Lucky Saint isn't just pulling our leg? If I wanted to make a free-energy urban legend, I would make it sound a little like this. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Largest Calving Event Ever Caught on Tape
This film is offensive! NOOO 2012/12/18 OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net From Terry: soon to be a feature film: http://chasingice.co.uk/ My God! It's full of ice! Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
[Vo]:Hell yes I actually believe there are problems we can't solve...
Sometimes things go wrong and they are just problems, answers are found, things improve. And sometimes it's a dilemma, an answer, ANY answer, is not possible, and decline/catastrophe/bad stuff is inevitable. The seemingly inevitable upward sweep of history is a transient blip, a tiny moment in the sweep of time, brought about by the discovery of the wonder of nearly free energy. Now the oil is no longer cheap and the whole structure built on it will subside or even collapse, later or sooner. Cold Fusion -I think it's real- will slow this down, probably reverse the decline for awhile, but the mindset that we learned on the way up (that all we find is ours to exploit, without limit) will drive us back all the way down. Because a /lot/ of things are running out, not just oil. This is a dilemma. The only possible answers involve changing human nature. Don't hold your breath. Most of the radical new discoveries of the Industrial Revolution were the results of cheap energy, made possible by cheap energy, and they indeed came along every few years, easy pickings. This does not argue for the existence of an inevitable stream of discoveries (guaranteed by some benevolent God?) that will continue the great upward march forever. Re many things running out, I agree that we are starting to learn how to work around looming shortages in various critical materials, but many of these are going to prove hopelessly expensive to implement. I offer phosphorus as an example: where do you find a replacement for that, feeding 7 billion people, when the mines run out? Ol' Bab, who is a pessimist. On 12/18/2012 12:59 AM, David Roberson wrote: ...Does anyone in this list actually believe that humanity is not capable of inventing the way out of it's problems? If you are correct, then this will be the first time in human history that it has come true. I chuckle at the concept that there are no new technologies that are awaiting that serendipitous discovery that comes along every few years out of the blue. You and I do not know what it is at the moment, but it will come around like clockwork. ... Dave
Re: [Vo]:Hell yes I actually believe there are problems we can't solve...
Wow Bab, you see that glass half empty! I guess I have always looked at things from the other side of the hallway. If you believe that cold fusion is for real then why would you not think that it will become the ultimate free energy source from now to essentially forever? Nickel is available in great quantities and so is water for hydrogen. And to make matters even better, the amount of each consumed appears to be tiny. Also, what would make you so confident that there is no enormous store of new devices, etc. that will be discovered as time progresses? I think that you would agree that a great deal of progress has been made during the last 50 years. Do you think the folks of 50 years ago would have anticipated what we have developed up to this time? It is no easy task to visualize entirely new concepts that did not exist before. You mention phosphorus as an example of something that is running out. I admit I know very little about the material or where it is mined or otherwise obtained. Does sea water contain the used material? It does not actually disappear as far as I know, so it must be capable of reclamation by some technique. You can bet that we will find a way to recover the amount needed and then figure a way to keep it coming as required far into the future. This will occur because it must occur. People have conquered every environment that we have faced perhaps beginning with the lucky guy that discovered that sharp rocks can cut animal flesh and hide. Clothes allow us to live in environments that would be lethal had they not been invented. We learned to plant food to ensure a good supply most of the time instead of being at the mercy of the forests. Cars were invented so that we could escape the local region and travel great distances for work or pleasure at good speeds. As you can see, there is an endless list of developments. I do not think that the end is in sight and anyone who suggests otherwise should review the historical record. Bab, what do you anticipate will be the next electronic device that everyone can not live without? I hate to say it, but I have no idea at the moment, but you can bet there will be one soon. Recently, new gadgets have consisted of combinations of existing ones such as cameras placed into cellular radios or GPS within. I think it might be time for another entirely new toy and maybe it would be a good idea to start thinking along that line. Consider the new array of tricks that can be had when LENR is associated with the existing devices of today. I can imagine a lot of inventing. Things do go astray on occasions as you point out. Wars happen which is totally insane in my opinion. Volcano's erupt, the earth quakes, and maybe some day an asteroid will be a big problem. Who knows if one day we will divert that nasty rock away from the Earth, but I suspect this will come to pass. It is possible that a nearby super nova will erupt and we will be history, but why worry at this time? I feel that the biggest worry facing us in the near term is the exploding population on the planet. This problem must be solved some way. Nature has its way of dealing with over population, but lets hope that we get to choose a more humane process. When I depart from this world one of my biggest disappointments will be not getting to see all of the marvels that will arrive with the future. Someone needs to push LENR development along faster so that at least I get to see that one come to fruition. Too many years have already slipped by with nothing but electricity with which to heat my home! Time to light a fire under someone! Dave -Original Message- From: David L Babcock ol...@rochester.rr.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 10:21 pm Subject: [Vo]:Hell yes I actually believe there are problems we can't solve... Sometimes things go wrong and they are just problems, answers are found, things improve. And sometimes it's a dilemma, an answer, ANY answer, is not possible, and decline/catastrophe/bad stuff is inevitable. The seemingly inevitable upward sweep of history is a transient blip, a tiny moment in the sweep of time, brought about by the discovery of the wonder of nearly free energy. Now the oil is no longer cheap and the whole structure built on it will subside or even collapse, later or sooner. Cold Fusion -I think it's real- will slow this down, probably reverse the decline for awhile, but the mindset that we learned on the way up (that all we find is ours to exploit, without limit) will drive us back all the way down. Because a lot of things are running out, not just oil. This is a dilemma. The only possible answers involve changing human nature. Don't hold your breath. Most of the radical new discoveries of the
Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell - about Jaro Jaro trolling
He he he. yeah I'm all you label me. I'm all that and more. And yes, I have a repressed childhood. You can believe whatever it is that tickles your fancy. Yes, I'm a turd; but whose more pathetic? The turd or the man playing with the turd knowing it's a turd? The turd has no choice, but the man playing with a turd has got to be some maladjusted retard. LOL... But at least. at least I am smart enough to graduate with a engineering degree; but sensible enough not to boast that I am some kind of expert.. And I am wise enough not to worship a 2nd rate moon god preached by a sex-perverted 9 year-old child molesting prophet. Somebody doing this must be some maladjusted individual. The sexual pervert prophet would have tipped any sensible man to stay away from that moon god; but our expert worships him. LOL OH my, I've really done it this time. I'm done for.. You will now really call for my banning. Since I just insulted your great moon god and his holey loving prophet. I'm done for; you will now go to your imam and issue a fatwah against me and have me killed. LOL BTW, for those of you just reading this. I have done nothing more than tell the truth. Allah is the moon god of muhammed's tribe; and muhammed is a sex-perverted prophet with dozens of wives and concubines including a 9 year-old little girl barely out of diapers. And muslim imams do indeed issue a fatwah for the assasination of anyone who they consider have insulted their prophet. I speak the truth if you care to research it yourself. Even muslims acknowledge these truths and this is a source of great embarassment for many a moon god worshipper; and you will see our expert trying to spin this away. Jojo PS, Don't even pretend that you don't read what I write. Everyone know that you read it. LOL. But, as for me, I honestly only read the first part of your posts. It's tiresome to read your verbal diarrhea. So, if you really really really want to insult me; make sure you do so in the first few sentences. That would really be effective in getting me and hurting me with your insults. LOL So, Go ahead, continue the insults. I will give as much and much more than I can get. Christmas period is a slow time for me so I'll play along with your games. But come January, you can play with yourself. - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell - about Jaro Jaro trolling Hah! I see that when I added the tag to the subject, I mispelled Jojo Jaro At 04:14 AM 12/8/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:  So, this libtard from Wisconsin claims that I do not have emotional maturity and that I am 10 or that I did not get feedback and all that crap. O well, if I am a turd, what do you call somebody who keeps playing with a turd knowing full well its a turd. Someone who is not willing to give up on the idea that a turd is a human being. Foolish, perhaps. Jojo is giving us plenty of evidence that he wants us to think he's a turd. Libtard claims that I am emotionally volatile, so why does he keep on provoking me other than to elicit a strong reaction from me. Jojo would not understand the reason, but there are many possibilities. 1. It's so much fun. 2. We like watching Jojo make an idiot out of himself. 3. We have a hope (foolish?) that the pimple will finally pop. 4. We have nothing better to do at the time we write the post. 5. We have something better to do and we are avoiding doing it. 6. Just because. 7. We care. 8. ??? This behavior from libtard seems to be what is classically defined as trolling. It could be, were it not clearly provoked. Responding to trolling is not trolling. However, not all insult is trolling. The essence of trolling is an attempt to provoke outraged response. The sequence here began with something other than that, but Jojo responded to it as an insult. It could be argued that it was mildly insulting, but it clearly was not, from context, trolling. It was just a comment on what had just happened, and it did not insult, beyond calling Jojo a bible fanatic. Is that an insult? It can be so. Am I a cold fusion fanatic? Someone who said so would not necessarily be insulting me. They might just be describing how my behavior looks to them. It is a clear pattern with this individual that he would say something to provoke me for the fun of it. And then we might need to look at what fun means. Why would it be fun to poke at a bear in a cage? What I can say is that boys do this. It's juvenile human behavor. Some of us never grow up. Occasionally we poke the wrong bear, and we don't survive. Jojo seems to want us to think that he is that bear, because he threatens eye for an eye, or two eyes for an eye. That's why I don't agree with characterizations of Jojo as a Christian. His behavior is
