Re: [Vo]:The Connection Between Inertial Forces and the Vector Potential
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 7:46 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0611167.pdf I draw your attention, in particular to the equation: *p* = µ*v* + q*A* This is old and accepted physics. However, the q*A* term is addition to Newton's 2nd law, is it not? No, but it saves Newton's third law from this apparent violation: The action of accelerating a charged body in a plane perpendicular to a magnetic field results in a reaction which is equal in magnitude but *perpendicular* to the action. Moreover, it appears to be dynamic. A number of changing physical quantities can affect it and not just slightly either. There seems to be a psychological problem involving *A*. People keep making noises like it is just a computational device -- not an actual physical quantity. It is this psychological problem that fascinates me. As the late Tom Etter alluded in the title of his Physics Essays paper Process, System, Causality and Quantum Mechanics: A Psychoanalysis of Animal Faithhttp://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9808011 the analysis we should be doing may be more psychological than physical. Here are some preliminary thoughts: In physics there seem to be dimensions that crop up in interesting ways -- two of which are action and information, with information related to measurement. Action, unless there is some good way to interpret it in terms of information, seems to be more immediately pertinent. Here's a quote from the William O. Davis article The Fourth Law of Motionhttp://www.rexresearch.com/dean/davis4.htmthat hooked me on action as a proximate key: What form should the Equation of Motion now take if we assume a force proportional to the surge as well as a force proportional to acceleration? The simplest assumption, and one which seems to be supported by preliminary data, is that the new force is additive, in the same way that forces due to viscous drag and displacement are additive. In other words, we now write the equation of Motion: F = Ma + Aa(superdot) (5) Where A is a new term which we have labeled 'intractance' and which has units of mass-seconds. Because the solutions of the equation in some cases yield the ratio A/M as the critical action time (CAT) of the system, we have in those cases assumed that the intractance is the product of the mass and the CAT: A = DM (6) Let us now see how this equation of motion can be used to analyze and predict the anomalous behavior of a simple system. Starting transients normally are considered only in connection with the beginning or the end of a motion and hence are accorded no particular attention. However, there are certain types of cyclic motion where the transient behavior is continuous, or repetitive and we will see later that even certain single transients may have critical importance in understanding natural events. Note that Davis's A has dimensions of mass*time. Dimensional analysis tells us that this can be viewed as action if we convert mass to energy so that instead of mass*time we have energy*time. I'll leave my comments about Davis Mechanics there for the moment since this special-relativisitc unity between intractance and action seems to me to be a lot to digest. Lots of good stuff in the Davis Article. Maybe if Newton contemplated silly putty instead of canon balls he might have proposed a similar second law. Harry
[Vo]:Nanoscale Heat Engine Beyond the Carnot Limit
Yet another perspective for the same anomalous environment? http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v112/i3/e030602 The researchers focus on an individual ion in a squeezed state unbalancing noise along 2 axis. Isn't this what nano geometry accomplishes at a system level for bulk gas in what we often refer to as our NAE? Subject: EXTERNAL: Phys. Rev. Lett. 112, 030602 (2014): Nanoscale Heat Engine Beyond the Carnot Limit http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v112/i3/e030602
Re: [Vo]:Atlanta is in a tizzy
You can watch power outages creep up on Atlanta in real time: http://outagemap.georgiapower.com/external/default.html How 21st century! I am not sure if this is an advantage or a disadvantage. People are overreacting, cleaning out grocery stores: http://www.weather.com/news/georgia-north-carolina-alabama-winter-storm-grocery-stores-photos-20140211 What are they going to do with all that food? If the power fails at home, the stuff in a refrigerator will go to waste. (Modern refrigerators do not take much electricity, so if you have any backup power you are good to go. My car battery 2 kW inverter keeps the fridge and many CFL lights on. I would not want to hook it up in the rain.) - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Nanoscale Heat Engine Beyond the Carnot Limit
This is an interesting and potentially important article, but to divulge a bit - nano is not required to exceed Carnot. Probably helps though. In fact, almost 50 years ago, working for NASA on a project which was patented and then discontinued (go figure) . Eugene Laumann exceeded the Carnot limitation at the many kilowatt level - with a hydrogen powered diesel. It was possibly OU given the losses - but that claim was carefully avoided. The term OU was not even around then. This particular power supply was intended for space (in a closed cycle with photoelectric water splitting) - but NASA switched to AMTEC for weight reduction - and then ignored the ICE results for many years. After all, gasoline was below 50 cents a gallon so you cannot blame them. Several years ago Eugene Laumann, who was in his eighties and almost blind, provided copies of his papers and data, some of which are not online at DTIC. The grand hope is to renew that work someday, in the context of LENR. He did these experiments using ultra-high compression and an extremely lean fuel mix (all the fuel was H2 at well below the published flammability level). Laumann was yet another of many excellent but overlooked scientists who were way ahead of NASA in civilian relevance - decades ago, who did experiments that would be called groundbreaking today. fonly (as they say) the USA was not now a debtor nation, and also had the good sense to look though its own cold case files. BTW - for those who have followed the overlap of LENR and CQM - the lattice (substitute for a metal lattice) in this design, assuming that LENR may have been involved (which is not proved or even claimed) - was provided by mostly argon atoms squeezed to several hundred bar at TDC. where their effective density was similar to a metal lattice. A lattice of extremely high mobility, shall we say? From: Roarty, Francis X Yet another perspective for the same anomalous environment? http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v112/i3/e030602 http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v112/i3/e030602 The researchers focus on an individual ion in a squeezed state unbalancing noise along 2 axis. Isn't this what nano geometry accomplishes at a system level for bulk gas in what we often refer to as our NAE?
Re: [Vo]:Atlanta is in a tizzy
The Georgia Power outage map is interesting. It shows the number of customers affected increased from 77,132 at 9:45 to 97,450 at 10:15. There are now 940 outages. Individual outages are not being cleared very quickly. One at Timberland drive has been listed since this morning. It is affecting more people than before, now at 842 customers. I guess this illustrates the limits of parallel efforts to maintain a network. I mean that it takes a work crew a certain amount of time to cut branches and repair fallen power lines. It takes as long as it does, and having hundreds of other work crews standing by does not make it go any faster. I expect they still have spare work crews standing by, because the news showed hundreds of trucks coming in from out of state yesterday, and because 940 outages affecting 97,000 customers is not a lot for an area as large as this, with a population as high as this. At 10:25 the number of outages has risen to 995 affecting 97,683. I don't see any of the local ones cleared. That is not suggest the power company crews are not working hard. Oops! My power just dropped for a second. Back on. This is eerie, watching the network fail in real time. So far this storm is not a big deal. I have seen much worse ice storms in Atlanta. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Atlanta is in a tizzy
Power still on in North Roswell but branches are starting to fall off pine trees in my back yard, not a good sign On Wednesday, February 12, 2014, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: The Georgia Power outage map is interesting. It shows the number of customers affected increased from 77,132 at 9:45 to 97,450 at 10:15. There are now 940 outages. Individual outages are not being cleared very quickly. One at Timberland drive has been listed since this morning. It is affecting more people than before, now at 842 customers. I guess this illustrates the limits of parallel efforts to maintain a network. I mean that it takes a work crew a certain amount of time to cut branches and repair fallen power lines. It takes as long as it does, and having hundreds of other work crews standing by does not make it go any faster. I expect they still have spare work crews standing by, because the news showed hundreds of trucks coming in from out of state yesterday, and because 940 outages affecting 97,000 customers is not a lot for an area as large as this, with a population as high as this. At 10:25 the number of outages has risen to 995 affecting 97,683. I don't see any of the local ones cleared. That is not suggest the power company crews are not working hard. Oops! My power just dropped for a second. Back on. This is eerie, watching the network fail in real time. So far this storm is not a big deal. I have seen much worse ice storms in Atlanta. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Nanoscale Heat Engine Beyond the Carnot Limit
The suggestion that they had exceeded Carnot likely prevented most of the physicists from accepting the data. After observing their reaction to LENR, it is not surprising to find that effects that operate outside of the current theories are completely ignored. At least you can operate that ICE inside your closed environment and not die from carbon monoxide gas. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 10:02 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:Nanoscale Heat Engine Beyond the Carnot Limit This is an interesting andpotentially important article, but to divulge a bit - “nano” is notrequired to exceed Carnot. Probably helps though. In fact, almost 50 yearsago, working for NASA on a project which was patented and then discontinued (gofigure) … Eugene Laumann exceeded the Carnot limitation at the manykilowatt level - with a hydrogen powered diesel. It was possibly OU given thelosses - but that claim was carefully avoided. The term “OU” wasnot even around then. This particular powersupply was intended for space (in a closed cycle with photoelectric watersplitting) - but NASA switched to AMTEC for weight reduction - and then ignoredthe ICE results for many years. After all, gasoline was below 50 cents a gallonso you cannot blame them. Several years ago Eugene Laumann,who was in his eighties and almost blind, provided copies of his papers anddata, some of which are not online at DTIC. The grand hope is to renew thatwork someday, in the context of LENR. He did these experiments using ultra-highcompression and an extremely lean fuel mix (all the fuel was H2 at well belowthe published flammability level). Laumann was yet another ofmany excellent but overlooked scientists who were way ahead of NASA in civilianrelevance - decades ago, who did experiments that would be called “groundbreaking”today… “fonly” (as they say) the USA was not now a debtornation, and also had the good sense to look though its own “cold case”files. BTW – for those whohave followed the overlap of LENR and CQM - the “lattice” (substitutefor a metal lattice) in this design, assuming that LENR may have been involved (whichis not proved or even claimed) - was provided by mostly argon atoms squeezed toseveral hundred bar at TDC… where their effective density was similar toa metal lattice. A lattice of extremely high mobility, shall we say? From: Roarty, Francis X Yet another perspective for the same anomalous environment? http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v112/i3/e030602 The researchers focuson an individual ion in a squeezed state unbalancing noise along 2 axis.Isn’t this what nano geometry accomplishes at a system level for bulk gasin what we often refer to as our NAE?
Re: [Vo]:Atlanta is in a tizzy
Stay warm Jed and others around that region. At least we have just plain old fashioned snow in our forcast, although a lot of it. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 10:45 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Atlanta is in a tizzy The Georgia Power outage map is interesting. It shows the number of customers affected increased from 77,132 at 9:45 to 97,450 at 10:15. There are now 940 outages. Individual outages are not being cleared very quickly. One at Timberland drive has been listed since this morning. It is affecting more people than before, now at 842 customers. I guess this illustrates the limits of parallel efforts to maintain a network. I mean that it takes a work crew a certain amount of time to cut branches and repair fallen power lines. It takes as long as it does, and having hundreds of other work crews standing by does not make it go any faster. I expect they still have spare work crews standing by, because the news showed hundreds of trucks coming in from out of state yesterday, and because 940 outages affecting 97,000 customers is not a lot for an area as large as this, with a population as high as this. At 10:25 the number of outages has risen to 995 affecting 97,683. I don't see any of the local ones cleared. That is not suggest the power company crews are not working hard. Oops! My power just dropped for a second. Back on. This is eerie, watching the network fail in real time. So far this storm is not a big deal. I have seen much worse ice storms in Atlanta. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Nanoscale Heat Engine Beyond the Carnot Limit
As a consequence of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, nano cavities and EMF squeezing go together. When the location of particles is tightly confined, its momentum gets very large. This goes for both electrons and photons confined in a nano-sized optical cavity (AKA NAE). The energy and mass of the electron gets large, and the wavelength of the photon gets short with its frequency going way up. A prediction... Furthermore, the size distribution of the NAE in a LENR system might be determined through examining the frequency/wavelength of the soft x-rays coming out of the system. This x-ray characterization should correspond to a NAE size of about 1 to 2 nanometers in diameter. On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: Yet another perspective for the same anomalous environment? http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v112/i3/e030602 The researchers focus on an individual ion in a squeezed state unbalancing noise along 2 axis. Isn't this what nano geometry accomplishes at a system level for bulk gas in what we often refer to as our NAE? Subject: EXTERNAL: Phys. Rev. Lett. 112, 030602 (2014): Nanoscale Heat Engine Beyond the Carnot Limit http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v112/i3/e030602
Re: [Vo]:Atlanta is in a tizzy
One bottleneck in power line restoration is the lack of tree surgeons to remove the widow makers that overhang the downed power lines. Line crews like to see the tree removed before they tackle the repair of the power line. On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: The Georgia Power outage map is interesting. It shows the number of customers affected increased from 77,132 at 9:45 to 97,450 at 10:15. There are now 940 outages. Individual outages are not being cleared very quickly. One at Timberland drive has been listed since this morning. It is affecting more people than before, now at 842 customers. I guess this illustrates the limits of parallel efforts to maintain a network. I mean that it takes a work crew a certain amount of time to cut branches and repair fallen power lines. It takes as long as it does, and having hundreds of other work crews standing by does not make it go any faster. I expect they still have spare work crews standing by, because the news showed hundreds of trucks coming in from out of state yesterday, and because 940 outages affecting 97,000 customers is not a lot for an area as large as this, with a population as high as this. At 10:25 the number of outages has risen to 995 affecting 97,683. I don't see any of the local ones cleared. That is not suggest the power company crews are not working hard. Oops! My power just dropped for a second. Back on. This is eerie, watching the network fail in real time. So far this storm is not a big deal. I have seen much worse ice storms in Atlanta. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Nanoscale Heat Engine Beyond the Carnot Limit
The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle will not be consistent with and not support the laws of thermodynamics. On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: As a consequence of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, nano cavities and EMF squeezing go together. When the location of particles is tightly confined, its momentum gets very large. This goes for both electrons and photons confined in a nano-sized optical cavity (AKA NAE). The energy and mass of the electron gets large, and the wavelength of the photon gets short with its frequency going way up. A prediction... Furthermore, the size distribution of the NAE in a LENR system might be determined through examining the frequency/wavelength of the soft x-rays coming out of the system. This x-ray characterization should correspond to a NAE size of about 1 to 2 nanometers in diameter. On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: Yet another perspective for the same anomalous environment? http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v112/i3/e030602 The researchers focus on an individual ion in a squeezed state unbalancing noise along 2 axis. Isn't this what nano geometry accomplishes at a system level for bulk gas in what we often refer to as our NAE? Subject: EXTERNAL: Phys. Rev. Lett. 112, 030602 (2014): Nanoscale Heat Engine Beyond the Carnot Limit http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v112/i3/e030602
Re: [Vo]:Atlanta is in a tizzy
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: One bottleneck in power line restoration is the lack of tree surgeons to remove the widow makers that overhang the downed power lines. Georgia Power brought in hundreds of out-of-state tree removal crews, as well as power company repair crews. So that should not be a problem. The fluctuations in the number of outages versus affected customers are interesting. You can see that they fix the big outages first. It will take them a long time to get around to fixing an outage affecting 5 customers. The total number of outages increases even when total affected customers decreases. It resembles the number of active oil wells in the U.S., which has increased tremendously even as overall production falls, meaning that average wells produces much less than they used to. - Jed
[Vo]:Vertical Turbines, packed tight, boost power
-- VERTICAL TURBINES, PACKED TIGHT, BOOST POWER http://www.earthtechling.com/2011/07/vertical-turbines-packed-tight-boost-power/ -- The caveat is that high wind speed is still a problem for all egg beaters. Harry
[Vo]:Hot fusion OU milestone reported
Claims of fusion by laser with more output energy than input energy for the first time. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-lasers-fuelling-hopes-of-unlimited-clean-nuclear-energy-9124237.html http://physics.aps.org/articles/v7/13 https://www.google.com/search?q=nif+lawrence+livermoretbm=nws - Brad
Re: [Vo]:Hot fusion OU milestone reported
That's a lot of caveats. The energy used to power up and fire is hundreds of thosands greater. Probably many more caveats. 2014-02-12 16:54 GMT-02:00 Brad Lowe ecatbuil...@gmail.com: Claims of fusion by laser with more output energy than input energy for the first time. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-lasers-fuelling-hopes-of-unlimited-clean-nuclear-energy-9124237.html http://physics.aps.org/articles/v7/13 https://www.google.com/search?q=nif+lawrence+livermoretbm=nws - Brad -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Hot fusion OU milestone reported
for less than a billionth of a second On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: That's a lot of caveats. The energy used to power up and fire is hundreds of thosands greater. Probably many more caveats. 2014-02-12 16:54 GMT-02:00 Brad Lowe ecatbuil...@gmail.com: Claims of fusion by laser with more output energy than input energy for the first time. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-lasers-fuelling-hopes-of-unlimited-clean-nuclear-energy-9124237.html http://physics.aps.org/articles/v7/13 https://www.google.com/search?q=nif+lawrence+livermoretbm=nws - Brad -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Atlanta is in a tizzy
Jed, you probably know that to fix a line the power to the entire line has to be turned off. That would turn off power to many more people than initially. Ed Storms Sent from my iPad On Feb 12, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: The Georgia Power outage map is interesting. It shows the number of customers affected increased from 77,132 at 9:45 to 97,450 at 10:15. There are now 940 outages. Individual outages are not being cleared very quickly. One at Timberland drive has been listed since this morning. It is affecting more people than before, now at 842 customers. I guess this illustrates the limits of parallel efforts to maintain a network. I mean that it a work crew a certain amount of time to cut branches and repair fallen power lines. It takes as long as it does, and having hundreds of other work crews standing by does not make it go any faster. I expect they still have spare work crews standing by, because the news showed hundreds of trucks coming in from out of state yesterday, and because 940 outages affecting 97,000 customers is not a lot for an area as large as this, with a population as high as this. At 10:25 the number of outages has risen to 995 affecting 97,683. I don't see any of the local ones cleared. That is not suggest the power company crews are not working hard. Oops! My power just dropped for a second. Back on. This is eerie, watching the network fail in real time. So far this storm is not a big deal. I have seen much worse ice storms in Atlanta. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Hot fusion OU milestone reported
Blaze Spinnaker, for less than a billionth of a second And people complain about calorimetry in LENR
Re: [Vo]:Atlanta is in a tizzy
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Jed, you probably know that to fix a line the power to the entire line has to be turned off. That would turn off power to many more people than initially. Yes. You can watch the area affected grow and then shrink as they fix the problem. Select zoom in on one of the icons and you can see exactly which streets are affected. However, what I was remarking on is the fact that the work can only be done in parallel to a limited extent. We have thousands of extra work crews in Atlanta. Probably more than we need, because the storm was not as bad as anticipated. So far, anyway. I expect there are more than enough crews. Yet despite all these extra work crews, there are many outages affecting 51 to 500 customers (the yellow triangle marker) which have not been fixed all day. I assume someone is working on them, but some things can only be done at a certain pace. You could not fix an outage more quickly by dispatching ten extra trucks. This is similar to the theme of the book, The Mythical Man Month. That is about programming projects. It makes the case that throwing extra programmers at a project may slow it down rather than speed it up. It may also degrade quality. The Atlanta Journal (AJC) reports that 225,000 people have lost power, but 50,000 are already back on line. The Georgia Power website numbers are still climbing in most of the 15-minute iterations. The total is now 1,735 outages affecting 131,490 customers. There are other power companies in Georgia, with an additional 60,000 customers affected. These are mostly electric power cooperatives, says the AJC. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Nanoscale Heat Engine Beyond the Carnot Limit
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 12 Feb 2014 11:48:38 -0500: Hi, [snip] As a consequence of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, nano cavities and EMF squeezing go together. When the location of particles is tightly confined, its momentum gets very large. This goes for both electrons and photons confined in a nano-sized optical cavity (AKA NAE). The energy and mass of the electron gets large, and the wavelength of the photon gets short with its frequency going way up. A 1 atom hole in a lattice has a diameter of about 5Å. If you plug this into the HUP, you get a resultant energy for a proton of about 8E-5 eV. Not very encouraging. (Well below average thermal energy at room temperature.) For an electron, you get 0.152 eV. This represents an increase in the mass of the electron by 0.3%. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Nanoscale Heat Engine Beyond the Carnot Limit
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 12 Feb 2014 07:02:46 -0800: Hi, [snip] This is an interesting and potentially important article, but to divulge a bit - nano is not required to exceed Carnot. Probably helps though. In fact, almost 50 years ago, working for NASA on a project which was patented and then discontinued (go figure) . Eugene Laumann exceeded the Carnot limitation at the many kilowatt level - with a hydrogen powered diesel. It was possibly OU given the losses - but that claim was carefully avoided. The term OU was not even around then. This particular power supply was intended for space (in a closed cycle with photoelectric water splitting) - but NASA switched to AMTEC for weight reduction - and then ignored the ICE results for many years. After all, gasoline was below 50 cents a gallon so you cannot blame them. Several years ago Eugene Laumann, who was in his eighties and almost blind, provided copies of his papers and data, some of which are not online at DTIC. The grand hope is to renew that work someday, in the context of LENR. He did these experiments using ultra-high compression and an extremely lean fuel mix (all the fuel was H2 at well below the published flammability level). Laumann was yet another of many excellent but overlooked scientists who were way ahead of NASA in civilian relevance - decades ago, who did experiments that would be called groundbreaking today. fonly (as they say) the USA was not now a debtor nation, and also had the good sense to look though its own cold case files. BTW - for those who have followed the overlap of LENR and CQM - the lattice (substitute for a metal lattice) in this design, assuming that LENR may have been involved (which is not proved or even claimed) - was provided by mostly argon atoms squeezed to several hundred bar at TDC. where their effective density was similar to a metal lattice. A lattice of extremely high mobility, shall we say? Note that Ar+ is a Mills catalyst. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Hot fusion OU milestone reported
As a skeptic I demand that another independent group of scientists replicate the results. How do we know that the input power required to run the lasers is accurately measured? The list of possible errors is a mile long for an experiment this complicated. Why do the physicists accept this data as being accurate and true when it is nearly impossible to get them to believe in any LENR evidence? The way they deny LENR is unprecedented in science. At least I hope so. Dave -Original Message- From: a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 3:03 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hot fusion OU milestone reported Blaze Spinnaker, for less than a billionth of a second And people complain about calorimetry in LENR
Re: [Vo]:Nanoscale Heat Engine Beyond the Carnot Limit
In reply to mix...@bigpond.com's message of Thu, 13 Feb 2014 07:46:54 +1100: Hi, [snip] For an electron, you get 0.152 eV. This represents an increase in the mass of the electron by 0.3%. Oops. That was overestimated by a factor of 4. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 2 Feb 2014 09:39:57 -0800: Hi, [snip] The most elegant answer begins with the obvious assertion that there are no gammas ab initio, which means that no reaction of the kind which your theory proposes can be valid because gammas are expected. Actually not only would I not expect to detect any gammas from a p-e-p reaction, I wouldn't expect to detect any energy at all. That's because the energy of the p-e-p reaction is normally carried away by the neutrino, which is almost undetectable. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com The most elegant answer begins with the obvious assertion that there are no gammas ab initio, which means that no reaction of the kind which your theory proposes can be valid because gammas are expected. Actually not only would I not expect to detect any gammas from a p-e-p reaction, I wouldn't expect to detect any energy at all. That's because the energy of the p-e-p reaction is normally carried away by the neutrino, which is almost undetectable. Hi, Not so - the reaction produces a positron, which annihilates with an electron producing 2 gammas. They net energy is over 1 MeV and easily detectable. Jones
[Vo]:Re: Energy and momentum / was RAR
I agree—the closed system did not change its angular Momentum. In a losed system AM is conserved—this applies to QM systems. From: David Roberson Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 7:59 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Energy and momentum / was RAR I do not see where we differ in understanding Bob. The system you describe had nearly zero total angular momentum before and after the collision so it remains conserved. The rotational energy can be extracted by various means as I also stated. Harry has concluded that angular momentum can not be converted into heat, which is always true. He also states that angular energy can be converted into other forms or energy including heat. Can you demonstrate a closed system where this is not the case? Dave -Original Message- From: Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 10:46 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Energy and momentum / was RAR Harry and Dave--Bob Cook here-- Keep in mind that the law is that angular momentum must be conserved. However systems with angular momentum can also have significant energy that can be changed to heat. Take two planets in the solar system with direction of rotation in opposite directions. One planet with a vector pointing to the North Star and other one with its vector pointing in a direction opposite to the North Star. They drift slowly together and eventually collide. If they have about equal mass and size and collide their total angular will approach zero. However there will be a lot of heat energy released. Angular momentum is a vector quantity--energy is a scalar with no direction attached. This holds for quantum systems with the Spin quantum angular momentum J associated with particles being a vector quantity. Electrons pair up to reduce their angular momentum to zero. Many quantum systems of particles tend to low spin states since low is consistent with the lowest energy state, and consistent with reactions that increase their entropy--the second law of thermodynamics. I think you two are forgetting the vector nature of angular momentum and mechanisms for its conservation. I do not agree with Harry's corollary. Bob - Original Message - From: David Roberson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Energy and momentum / was RAR Your corollary would be an excellent addition to my discussion. Dave -Original Message- From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 5:49 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Energy and momentum / was RAR On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 7:17 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: OK. Energy is proportional to velocity squared. If you double the velocity, you have four times as much energy as in the first case. Also the direction of the motion is not important. For example, a ball moving to the right has a certain amount of energy and a second one moving to the left with the same mass and velocity will have the same amount as well. Energy adds, so you have two times the amount contained within one. Momentum is proportional to velocity directly. The direction of the movement is important since momentum is a vector quantity, unlike energy. The two ball case above results in a net momentum for the system of zero. The two vectors are equal and point in opposite directions so they cancel. Energy and momentum require different rules of behavior and can not be interchanged. Dave That is a good summary. As a corollary to the last statement, I would add that momentum cannot be turned into heat since heat is considered a form of energy. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Nanoscale Heat Engine Beyond the Carnot Limit
To my best knowledge, that is not how it works. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_dot A quantum dot is like an atom with an unlimited number of electron orbitals. As new electrons enter the dot, the electron takes on the next available higher energy level. More energy is required to push an electron into a highly populated quantum dot because of the Pauli Exclusion Principle. However, when electrons become polaritons, the Pauli Exclusion Principle does not apply anymore because the electrons now become polaritons (bosons). Now, only the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (HUP) applies and a large and growing population of polaritons will increasingly localize any given newly created polariton to a higher energy state. In other terms, as more electrons and photons enter the optical cavity, the average energy of the resident particle quasiparticles goes up due to increasing average localization of the polariton population. Polariton optical cavities ar used to simulate astrophysical black holes. http://arxiv.org/pdf/1104.3013.pdf Stranger yet, the polaritons reach an equalized energy states even at high energies and form a Bose Einstein condensate at an identical yet very high level. This is why a polariton optical cavity is superconducting even when it packs very high energy levels.
Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com The most elegant answer begins with the obvious assertion that there are no gammas ab initio, which means that no reaction of the kind which your theory proposes can be valid because gammas are expected. Actually not only would I not expect to detect any gammas from a p-e-p reaction, I wouldn't expect to detect any energy at all. That's because the energy of the p-e-p reaction is normally carried away by the neutrino, which is almost undetectable. Hi, Not so - the reaction produces a positron, which annihilates with an electron producing 2 gammas. They net energy is over 1 MeV and easily detectable. Jones The process of p-e-p fusion is suppose to be different from the process of p-p fusion. The outcome may be the same, but the processes differ. Harry
[Vo]:Happy Lincoln - Darwin day
Abraham Lincoln and Charles Darwin were both born on February 12, 1809. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Happy Lincoln - Darwin day
Blows against slavery of the body and of the mind. Unfortunately enslaving entire States, terminating the Laboratory of the States, was another legacy, perhaps not of Lincoln per se, but certainly of the Federal government that arose in the aftermath of his prematurely terminated life. Darwin seems to have left a vacuum of the spirit exemplified by his quote: I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created parasitic wasps with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of Caterpillars. Indeed, but there are older spiritual traditions within which the horrors of Nature -- including the horror of each and every one of our deaths -- is revered. Darwin merely made more strongly felt the need for their restoration without restoring them. On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Abraham Lincoln and Charles Darwin were both born on February 12, 1809. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Fusion by Pseudo-Particles
I stand corrected. Dr. Yeong E. has proposed a double deuteron pair as the boson component of his Bose Einstein condensate theory for many years. The ion member of the hydrogen dipole will be a deuteron so a cluster fusion reaction consistent with Kim would include those neutrons in that hydrogen ion pair. So sorry, please excuse me, I just made a human mistake and was not trying to aggravate Ed. On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:55 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: [From Axil] It is a safe assumption that pairing of protons is occurring. I see no reason for this assumption. Such pairs are only found in H2, which is not nuclear reactive. Ed, Axil is playing with you. See: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=forum+troll Eric
Re: [Vo]:Hot fusion OU milestone reported
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:52 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: As a skeptic I demand that another independent group of scientists replicate the results. How do we know that the input power required to run the lasers is accurately measured? The list of possible errors is a mile long for an experiment this complicated. The important point that I think we've missed is that the scientists carrying out this research are *qualified* scientists. For this kind of scientist, independent replication is not necessary, because they have sufficient skill to carry out an experiment whose results one can trust. About the recent milestone, if I may be allowed to move the goalposts a little: now the challenge is to get continuous OU operation, producing enough energy to recuperate the investment in hardware and people operating the system. Eric
[Vo]:Karpen's pile
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Karpen's_Pile_--_A_Battery_That_Has_Produced_Energy_Continuously_Since_1950s Karpen's pile This device has all the earmarks of a nanoplasmonic system almost identical in concept if not structure to Piantelli's reactor. A highly pitted platinum surface is covered with an excellent dielectric, pure sulfuric acid(100). Gold provides the supporting substrate, The pits in the platinum produce optical cavities that capture heat and electrons that will form polariton vortexes. The uncertainty principle will increase the energy levels in the optical cavities as more electrons and photons are captured until solitons explode in a bosenova. The increase in EMF energy is converted into electrons and a potential is formed to drive a current. Just like Karpen's pile, Piantelli has reported the creation of charge in his device.
Re: [Vo]:Nanoscale Heat Engine Beyond the Carnot Limit
Is the expression beyond the carnot limit the genteel way of stating a violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics? Harry On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: Yet another perspective for the same anomalous environment? http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v112/i3/e030602 The researchers focus on an individual ion in a squeezed state unbalancing noise along 2 axis. Isn't this what nano geometry accomplishes at a system level for bulk gas in what we often refer to as our NAE? Subject: EXTERNAL: Phys. Rev. Lett. 112, 030602 (2014): Nanoscale Heat Engine Beyond the Carnot Limit http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v112/i3/e030602
Re: [Vo]:Karpen's pile
More info http://www.rexresearch.com/karpen/karpen.htm On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Karpen's_Pile_--_A_Battery_That_Has_Produced_Energy_Continuously_Since_1950s Karpen's pile This device has all the earmarks of a nanoplasmonic system almost identical in concept if not structure to Piantelli's reactor. A highly pitted platinum surface is covered with an excellent dielectric, pure sulfuric acid(100). Gold provides the supporting substrate, The pits in the platinum produce optical cavities that capture heat and electrons that will form polariton vortexes. The uncertainty principle will increase the energy levels in the optical cavities as more electrons and photons are captured until solitons explode in a bosenova. The increase in EMF energy is converted into electrons and a potential is formed to drive a current. Just like Karpen's pile, Piantelli has reported the creation of charge in his device.
Re: [Vo]:Hot fusion OU milestone reported
Correct me if I'm wrong but they didn't really achieve OU because the target only got 10% of the incident energy so the actual energy gain was in a subsystem rather than in the whole system. [m] On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:52 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: As a skeptic I demand that another independent group of scientists replicate the results. How do we know that the input power required to run the lasers is accurately measured? The list of possible errors is a mile long for an experiment this complicated. The important point that I think we've missed is that the scientists carrying out this research are *qualified* scientists. For this kind of scientist, independent replication is not necessary, because they have sufficient skill to carry out an experiment whose results one can trust. About the recent milestone, if I may be allowed to move the goalposts a little: now the challenge is to get continuous OU operation, producing enough energy to recuperate the investment in hardware and people operating the system. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Hot fusion OU milestone reported
I like your humor Eric. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 9:44 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hot fusion OU milestone reported On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:52 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: As a skeptic I demand that another independent group of scientists replicate the results. How do we know that the input power required to run the lasers is accurately measured? The list of possible errors is a mile long for an experiment this complicated. The important point that I think we've missed is that the scientists carrying out this research are *qualified* scientists. For this kind of scientist, independent replication is not necessary, because they have sufficient skill to carry out an experiment whose results one can trust. About the recent milestone, if I may be allowed to move the goalposts a little: now the challenge is to get continuous OU operation, producing enough energy to recuperate the investment in hardware and people operating the system. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Hot fusion OU milestone reported
Eric get a kick out of the unintentional errors that I make and he tries to duplicate the dead pan humor intentionally. On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:57 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I like your humor Eric. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 9:44 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hot fusion OU milestone reported On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:52 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: As a skeptic I demand that another independent group of scientists replicate the results. How do we know that the input power required to run the lasers is accurately measured? The list of possible errors is a mile long for an experiment this complicated. The important point that I think we've missed is that the scientists carrying out this research are *qualified* scientists. For this kind of scientist, independent replication is not necessary, because they have sufficient skill to carry out an experiment whose results one can trust. About the recent milestone, if I may be allowed to move the goalposts a little: now the challenge is to get continuous OU operation, producing enough energy to recuperate the investment in hardware and people operating the system. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Karpen's pile
Axil, An interesting find. I have never heard of it before. Why not ask Peter Gluck his opinion on it? I believe he is in Romania, and may have seen the device. -- Lou Pagnucco Axil wrote: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Karpen's_Pile_--_A_Battery_That_Has_Produced_Energy_Continuously_Since_1950s Karpen's pile This device has all the earmarks of a nanoplasmonic system almost identical in concept if not structure to Piantelli's reactor. A highly pitted platinum surface is covered with an excellent dielectric, pure sulfuric acid(100). Gold provides the supporting substrate, The pits in the platinum produce optical cavities that capture heat and electrons that will form polariton vortexes. The uncertainty principle will increase the energy levels in the optical cavities as more electrons and photons are captured until solitons explode in a bosenova. The increase in EMF energy is converted into electrons and a potential is formed to drive a current. Just like Karpen's pile, Piantelli has reported the creation of charge in his device.
Re: [Vo]:Karpen's pile
If I were and experimentalist to save some money on precious material, I would try to duplicate this by using Nickel and hydrofluoric acid (dielectric constant - 100), One electrode would be highly pitted as in Celani's wire. All the copper must be complexly removed however. The other would be polished mirror smooth. I would heat the system a bit and check for current. On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:07 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Axil, An interesting find. I have never heard of it before. Why not ask Peter Gluck his opinion on it? I believe he is in Romania, and may have seen the device. -- Lou Pagnucco Axil wrote: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Karpen's_Pile_--_A_Battery_That_Has_Produced_Energy_Continuously_Since_1950s Karpen's pile This device has all the earmarks of a nanoplasmonic system almost identical in concept if not structure to Piantelli's reactor. A highly pitted platinum surface is covered with an excellent dielectric, pure sulfuric acid(100). Gold provides the supporting substrate, The pits in the platinum produce optical cavities that capture heat and electrons that will form polariton vortexes. The uncertainty principle will increase the energy levels in the optical cavities as more electrons and photons are captured until solitons explode in a bosenova. The increase in EMF energy is converted into electrons and a potential is formed to drive a current. Just like Karpen's pile, Piantelli has reported the creation of charge in his device.
Re: [Vo]:Asked Answered
Cold Fusion is a fraud, a lie. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3122281/posts?page=22 To: *Kevmo* Cold fusion is a lie. It doesn't exist anywhere in the universe aside from the fevered imaginations of the scammers and those duped into believing it. 14 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3122281/posts?page=14#14 posted on *Wed 12 Feb 2014 04:07:49 PM PST* by cripplecreekhttp://www.freerepublic.com/%7Ecripplecreek/(REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!) [ Post Reply http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3122281/reply?c=14 | Private Replyhttp://www.freerepublic.com/perl/mail-compose?refid=3122281.14;reftype=comment| To 13 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3122281/posts?page=22#13 | View Replies http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3122281/replies?c=14 | Report Abuse http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3122281/abuse?c=14] -- To: *cripplecreek* CHF is a lie. It's a scam to the tune of hundreds of $billions. CHF corner-turn has been 50 years, and that has been 60 years ongoing; LENR corner-turn has been about 5 years for the last 3-4 years. CHF cost hundreds of $billions in TAX dollars, while LENR has cost something in the tens of $Millions, and it has been almost all private money. CHF IP is worthless; LENR IP sold for $20M a few weeks ago. CHF con artists publish breathless articles about something that took place over 1 billionth of a second; LENR demonstrations have lasted days, weeks, and even months. Yup. If LENR scientists wanted to learn how to scam, they would take lessons from CHF frauds. 15 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3122281/posts?page=15#15 posted on *Wed 12 Feb 2014 04:15:30 PM PST* by Kevmo http://www.freerepublic.com/%7Ekevmo/ (A person's a person, no matter how small ~Horton Hears a Who) [ Post Reply http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3122281/reply?c=15 | Private Replyhttp://www.freerepublic.com/perl/mail-compose?refid=3122281.15;reftype=comment| To 14 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3122281/posts?page=22#14 | View Replies http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3122281/replies?c=15 | Report Abuse http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3122281/abuse?c=15] On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: I'm growing weary of the same objections, over and over and over again on various internet sites. So I'm going to post each qa here just send links.
Re: [Vo]:Karpen's pile
The creation of charge? The creation of electrons? Any FE device that does this is wasting energy by manifesting matter. On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Karpen's_Pile_--_A_Battery_That_Has_Produced_Energy_Continuously_Since_1950s Karpen's pile This device has all the earmarks of a nanoplasmonic system almost identical in concept if not structure to Piantelli's reactor. A highly pitted platinum surface is covered with an excellent dielectric, pure sulfuric acid(100). Gold provides the supporting substrate, The pits in the platinum produce optical cavities that capture heat and electrons that will form polariton vortexes. The uncertainty principle will increase the energy levels in the optical cavities as more electrons and photons are captured until solitons explode in a bosenova. The increase in EMF energy is converted into electrons and a potential is formed to drive a current. Just like Karpen's pile, Piantelli has reported the creation of charge in his device.
[Vo]:the role of p-values in science
There's an interesting discussion of the role of the statistical p-value in science in a recent article published online at Nature: For all the P value's apparent precision, Fisher intended it to be just one part of a fluid, non-numerical process that blended data and background knowledge to lead to scientific conclusions. But it soon got swept into a movement to make evidence-based decision-making as rigorous and objective as possible. This movement was spearheaded in the late 1920s by Fisher's bitter rivals, Polish mathematician Jerzy Neyman and UK statistician Egon Pearson, who introduced an alternative framework for data analysis that included statistical power, false positives, false negatives and many other concepts now familiar from introductory statistics classes. They pointedly left out the P value. It seems to me that normal human judgment is inseparable from the day-to-day work of science, and that statistics is best thought of as another tool in the hands of someone who is skilled at their work. This makes scientific endeavor sound a little more like art than science. (I think Feyerabend might agree.) Eric
Re: [Vo]:the role of p-values in science
I wrote: There's an interesting discussion of the role of the statistical p-value in science in a recent article published online at Nature ... Here is a the link to the article: http://www.nature.com/news/scientific-method-statistical-errors-1.14700 Eric
Re: [Vo]:Asked Answered
- What causes the anomalous excess heat? An hypothesis.http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3122363/posts - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3122363/posts - Wed 12 Feb 2014 10:12:04 PM PST · 26 of 26http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3122363/posts?page=26#26 Kevmo http://www.freerepublic.com/%7Ekevmo/ to *ATOMIC_PUNK* Inability to want to comprehend? ***That would describe Skeptopaths PERFECTLY. Active denial of giving a damn about 14000 replications? ***Yup. Anti-Science Luddites would be a perfect description of such an attitude. Paycheck-poor feet-In-The-Sand Attitude? ***Simply reaching at this point. PissPoor Attitude would make a better representation, with the Piss pouring down your feet into the sand. Simply Intellectually tired of caring ! ***Anti-Science Luddites. They don't care, they can't be bothered to care, they don't want to care but yet they still log onto these threads What an amazing display of vigorous ignorance!!! Yea that about covers it ! ***Yup. The AdamHenry*BandWagon index is high for CHF, low for cold fusion. You seagulls have demonstrated that over and over again. Post Reply http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=3122363,26 | Private Replyhttp://www.freerepublic.com/perl/mail-compose?reftype=comment;refid=3122363.26| To 24 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3122363/posts?page=24#24 | View Replies http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3122363/replies?c=26 On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: How to know you're dealing with a skeptopath: they won't read the simplest evidence put in front of them. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3095784/posts?page=32#32 To: *tacticalogic* *I'd be interested in a practical source of energy, and you keep hawking this like it is. Where's the beef?* Nah, you're just regurgitating the standard crawfishing that all skeptopaths do when they can no longer claim that there is no scientific evidence for cold fusion. First the refrain was cold fusion experiments cannot be repeated. Then, when the researchers did improve the repeatability, the refrain became cold fusion experiments cannot be repeated fifty percent of the time. Then, when repeatability increased past 50%, the refrain became cold fusion experiments cannot be repeated 100% of the time. Now, as some researchers repeatabiltity numbers approach 100%, the refrain has become the amount of power is miniscule, even if it can be repeated. So, the answer to your question is the beef is still growing. And an HONEST respondent would admit that. But in the not too distant future, I look forward to when LENR does produce usable amounts of power. I wonder what you skeptopaths will say then. 32 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3095784/posts?page=32#32posted on *Wed 27 Nov 2013 05:28:54 AM PST* by Wonder Warthoghttp://www.freerepublic.com/%7Ewonderwarthog/ [ Post Reply http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3095784/reply?c=32| Private Replyhttp://www.freerepublic.com/perl/mail-compose?refid=3095784.32;reftype=comment| To 31 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3095784/posts?page=38#31 | View Replies http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3095784/replies?c=32 | Report Abuse http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3095784/abuse?c=32] -- To: *Wonder Warthog* *Nah, you're just regurgitating the standard crawfishing that all skeptopaths do when they can no longer claim that there is no scientific evidence for cold fusion.* Lemme guess. You can't show me the evidence to back that up, I'm supposed to go find it. 33 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3095784/posts?page=33#33posted on *Wed 27 Nov 2013 05:34:11 AM PST* by tacticalogichttp://www.freerepublic.com/%7Etacticalogic/ [ Post Reply http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3095784/reply?c=33| Private Replyhttp://www.freerepublic.com/perl/mail-compose?refid=3095784.33;reftype=comment| To 32 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3095784/posts?page=38#32 | View Replies http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3095784/replies?c=33 | Report Abuse http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3095784/abuse?c=33] -- To: *tacticalogic* *Lemme guess. You can't show me the evidence to back that up, I'm supposed to go find it.* Not quite. I'll give you two starting places. The first is George Beaudette's book Excess Heat. You can access this either by buying a copy (Amazon)($), or via interlibrary loan (free or $ depending on the policies of your local library. The second is Edmund Storm's collection of summaries of LENR research, which can easily be found with Google search terms (Edmund Storms cold fusion pdf). Most of the pdf's can be found at LENR-CANR.org. All are available free. Now, why don't I give you direct links?? Because I have found that there is no better litmus
Re: [Vo]:Karpen's pile
The same charge creation process holds for the Papp engine. Charge increase was used to feed the capacitive spark discharge of the opposing cylinder. Smart engineering can use this seemingly wasteful feature to full advantage just as Joe Papp did. On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:49 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: The creation of charge? The creation of electrons? Any FE device that does this is wasting energy by manifesting matter. On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Karpen's_Pile_--_A_Battery_That_Has_Produced_Energy_Continuously_Since_1950s Karpen's pile This device has all the earmarks of a nanoplasmonic system almost identical in concept if not structure to Piantelli's reactor. A highly pitted platinum surface is covered with an excellent dielectric, pure sulfuric acid(100). Gold provides the supporting substrate, The pits in the platinum produce optical cavities that capture heat and electrons that will form polariton vortexes. The uncertainty principle will increase the energy levels in the optical cavities as more electrons and photons are captured until solitons explode in a bosenova. The increase in EMF energy is converted into electrons and a potential is formed to drive a current. Just like Karpen's pile, Piantelli has reported the creation of charge in his device.
Re: [Vo]:Karpen's pile
However efficient you are at utilizing electrons, it comes no where close to the energy of annihilating them. But maybe the electrons were already existed and simply are being collected/transferred. Patrick Flanagan patented an ionizer that consists of 2 circular plates feed AC, the rate at which the ions move through the room seems anomalous. There are other inventors that seem to conduct electrons through insulators, and this has been found in Tesla Coils too. So maybe it is possible to aetherically/quantum jump/slip electrons that are suitably conditioned. John On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The same charge creation process holds for the Papp engine. Charge increase was used to feed the capacitive spark discharge of the opposing cylinder. Smart engineering can use this seemingly wasteful feature to full advantage just as Joe Papp did. On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:49 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.comwrote: The creation of charge? The creation of electrons? Any FE device that does this is wasting energy by manifesting matter. On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Karpen's_Pile_--_A_Battery_That_Has_Produced_Energy_Continuously_Since_1950s Karpen's pile This device has all the earmarks of a nanoplasmonic system almost identical in concept if not structure to Piantelli's reactor. A highly pitted platinum surface is covered with an excellent dielectric, pure sulfuric acid(100). Gold provides the supporting substrate, The pits in the platinum produce optical cavities that capture heat and electrons that will form polariton vortexes. The uncertainty principle will increase the energy levels in the optical cavities as more electrons and photons are captured until solitons explode in a bosenova. The increase in EMF energy is converted into electrons and a potential is formed to drive a current. Just like Karpen's pile, Piantelli has reported the creation of charge in his device.
