Re: [Vo]:the expected LENR Surprise Rossi's long time test over!Re:

[Jed Rothwell]

 wrote:


> That may be true of normal commercial equipment that has already had the
> teething problems removed, and where one may expect consistent action.
> However
> that is not likely to be the case with Rossi's reactor.
>

If it works for an hour, any HVAC engineer could confirm that. Or if it is
not working that particular hour, the equipment would show that, too. The
whole purpose of HVAC test equipment is to sort out whether the machine is
working consistently or not. Things stop working in an ordinary HVAC
installation. Baffles get stuck; fans turn off. It often happens at my
office. That's why the guy comes around with his air flow vane velocity fan
and thermometer.

I am just saying the story is incomplete. This cannot mean a "test" in the
normal sense of the word, because people test heaters a hundred thousand
times a day, and these tests take an hour.


He was baby-sitting it for the year, and fixing things whenever it broke
> down.
>

If it is broken that day, the HVAC guy comes back the next day. My point
is, you can confirm it is working in less than a year.



> The customer needed to know that it would pay off in
> the long term. Hence the year long test.
>

If so, I could have saved the customer the trouble. No, it is not possible
this thing can work trouble free for a year. And even if it could, the
machine would be obsolete long before that. Rossi demonstrated that when
kept describing new configurations and new gadgets during the test.

Prototypes are never stable in performance. They are obsolete in months.
Even first-generation production devices are soon obsolete, and seldom on
the market for a year. Frederick Brooks described prototypes in his book
"The Mythical Man Month", in the chapter "plan to throw one away:"

In most projects, the first system built is barely usable. It may be too
slow, too big, awkward to use, or all three. There is no alternative but to
start again, smarting but smarter, and build a redesigned version in which
these problems are solved. The discard and redesign may be done in one
lump, or it may be done piece-by-piece. But all large-system experience
shows that it will be done. Where a new system concept or new technology is
used, one has to build a system to throw away, for even the best planning
is not so omniscient as to get it right the first time


The management question, therefore, is not whether to build a pilot system
and throw it away. You will do that. The only question is whether to plan
in advance to build a throwaway, or to promise to deliver the throwaway to
customers. Seen this way, the answer is much clearer. . . .


- Jed

[Vo]:LENR: Out/In ratio of 8 with plasma arc discharge

[Jack Cole]

Interesting experiments out of India.  700%+ gain reportedly achieved.

http://www.authorstream.com/Presentation/asdf2016-2743534-icidret2016016/

Re: [Vo]:Heat and electricity

[Harvey Norris]

I set the Teslafy Wayback (Peabody and Sherman version) lever for five years 
ago and found this...Ferrite Heating Demo 2  Uploaded on Feb 4, 2011 Ferrite 
Heating Demo 2
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2.8 DCA & 3.6 DCA 3/8ths width ferrite incandescence with corresponding 3 phase 
AC inputs. The top red meters are stator line amperages and the middle grey 
meters the phase amperages. In three phase for a delta delivery, the stator 
lines contain 1.71 or (sq rt 3) times the phase amperages. Yet at 1:41 in the 
videos the sum of the stator lines @ 8.54A EQUALS the sum of the phase 
amperages. Thus for this example using summed amperages of the phases 
themselves; ~70% more current exists as the effect of RESONANT RISE OF 
AMPERAGE. It is these outer delta AC currents that become the source of the DC 
currents across the ferrite by intervening rectifications of the three phase AC 
source currents. Note that the ferrite also has a non-linear resistance, it 
instead looses resistance with the amount of heat generated. At the start of 
video 25VDC enabled 2.8 A or an acting resistance of 8.9 ohms.  At the ending 
of video 20VDC enables 3.6A or 5.5 ohms. The reactance of the  megacable 
spiralled delivery lines are 2.3 mh@ 465 hz or 6.7 ohms,but their actual 
resistance used in calculating the I ^2R delivery line losses in wattage are 
only 0.5 ohms, where 12.5 watts out of a 72 watt incandescent load are added to 
the circuit as power delivery. This 17.3% power diversion would be minimized by 
decreasing the resistance of the ballasting outer delta series resonances. If 
this were done this would increase the X(L)/R  Q factor, further minimizing the 
stator line currents without diminishing the existing phase currents exhibited 
on the load, and at the same time decreasing the power expended ratio wise 
between the load and those delivery lines. If the phase angles between the 
stator line currents and the phase currents are mathematically formulated by 
the law of cosines, we see that each corner has near a 60 degree phase angle; 
producing the DELUSION that the normal 360 degrees of time separation between 
phasings has been decreased to 180 degrees in total.  Thus due to the fact the 
delta delivery has vector subtracted currents as a sum, and that resonant rises 
of amperage are occuring on both arms of the load: THE ARTIFACT OF THAT TYPE OF 
LOAD IS THE APPEARANCE OF A CONTRACTED TIME CIRCLE BY PHASE ANGLE 
CONSIDERATIONS.  Huh, maybe something is there... Nope now I remember which 
circumstances can be accounted for and this is one of them. If a resonant rise 
of amperage occurs on a delta delivery it produces an artifact appearing to be 
time distortion, but that time distortion can be discounted as unauthentic 
since it can be explained by the resonant rise of amperage on that delta 
delivery. This does not mean however that in that scheme of electrical heat 
delivery that the efficiency must have vastly been increased. I once sent Jones 
some conditioned (strontium) ferrite pieces for radioactivity examination, he 
said there was none. Precendent you tube video on this subject was found and 
labeled tonight for further examination. HDNPioneering the Applications of 
Interphasal Resonances http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ 

On Saturday, February 20, 2016 4:40 PM, Jed Rothwell 
 wrote:
 

 I wrote: 
Silicon is not a good choice of materials for many cell components such as 
resistors.

CIRCUIT components.
Everything is a cold fusion cell to me . . . To a man who has only a hammer, 
all problems look like a nail.
- Jed


  

Re: [Vo]:Heat and electricity

[Mats Lewan]

Harry, regarding heat into electricity conversion, Professor Eli Yablonovitch 
of the University of California seems to be doing some interesting stuff, as a 
side effect of having found a way to throw out photons with sub bandgap energy 
from photovoltaics.

I’ve seen some hints, like this poster from last year:
http://www.zeplerinstitute.ac.uk/sites/www.zeplerinstitute.ac.uk/files/yablonovitch_lecture_poster_web_0.pdf

"Thus the effort to reflect band-edge luminescence in solar cells has 
serendipitously created the technology to reflect all infrared wavelengths, 
which can revolutionize thermo-photovoltaics.  We have never before had such 
high rear reflectivity for sub-bandgap radiation, permitting step-function 
spectral control of the unused infrared photons for the first time.  This 
enables conversion from heat[iii] to electricity with >50% efficiency.  Such a 
lightweight “engine” can provide power to electric cars, aerial vehicles, 
spacecraft, homes, and stationary power plants.”

I couldn’t find the full paper though. 

Mats
www.animpossibleinvention.com 



> On 20 Feb 2016, at 19:30, H LV  wrote:
> 
> A typical goal of energy conversion is to convert heat into electricity and 
> to do it as efficiently as possible. However, if the goal is to convert 
> electricity into heat the issue of efficiency also arises.
> 
> 
> An LED is efficient at converting electricity into light but it is 
> inefficient at converting electricity in to heat. So if you wanted heat and 
> only had an LED how would you make it more efficient at producing heat?
> 
> Harry

Re: [Vo]:Heat and electricity

[H LV]

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> H LV  wrote:
>
> In my question I said if you only had an LED. That implies a resistor is
>> not available.
>>
>
> Well, in that case, you simply prevent any light from leaving the LED.
> Cover it with something. Then put it in a box with a very sensitive light
> meter to conform that nothing is escaping from it.
>
> You can generate heat from a mechanical device such a wind-up toy with
> similar methods. That is a classic 19th century experiment.
>
> I don't see how this would arise in the real world, but perhaps it might.
> Similar problems arose with the development of silicon integrated circuits.
> Silicon is not a good choice of materials for many cell components such as
> resistors. It had to be used, because it is a semiconductor, but it did not
> lend itself to that purpose.
>
> - Jed
>
>
​Suppose Rossi's Ecat is an inefficient heater, which he made more
efficient by employing electrical, magnetic and temperature tricks.
It still might be remarkable if it involves nuclear activity of some sort.

Harry

Re: [Vo]:the expected LENR Surprise Rossi's long time test over!Re:

[mixent]

In reply to  Jed Rothwell's message of Sat, 20 Feb 2016 10:17:21 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>I think this report is odd because --
>
>1. As I said before, it should not take a year to test the machine. Any
>HVAC engineer can confirm it is producing heat in a few hours. 


That may be true of normal commercial equipment that has already had the
teething problems removed, and where one may expect consistent action. However
that is not likely to be the case with Rossi's reactor.

He was baby-sitting it for the year, and fixing things whenever it broke down.
The output would have been erratic, so a test lasting just a few hours would not
have been representative. The customer needed to know that it would pay off in
the long term. Hence the year long test. 

>Perhaps it
>takes a year to determine reliability, but as I said before, reliability is
>not an issue with a first-generation prototype machine. It is bound to be
>unreliable.

Indeed, but this was sold as a working device, not a prototype (even though it
proved to actually be a prototype).
Presumably, Rossi learned from the breakdowns, and improved the product as he
went along.
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Which one is Pink?

[mixent]

In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Sat, 20 Feb 2016 12:46:47 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/apollo-10-astronauts-reported-unexplaine
>d-music-at-moon_us_56c80662e4b0928f5a6c0679

My guess would be solar corona radio waves. 
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Heat and electricity

[Jed Rothwell]

I wrote:


> Silicon is not a good choice of materials for many cell components such as
> resistors.
>

CIRCUIT components.

Everything is a cold fusion cell to me . . . To a man who has only a
hammer, all problems look like a nail.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Heat and electricity

[Jed Rothwell]

H LV  wrote:

In my question I said if you only had an LED. That implies a resistor is
> not available.
>

Well, in that case, you simply prevent any light from leaving the LED.
Cover it with something. Then put it in a box with a very sensitive light
meter to conform that nothing is escaping from it.

You can generate heat from a mechanical device such a wind-up toy with
similar methods. That is a classic 19th century experiment.

I don't see how this would arise in the real world, but perhaps it might.
Similar problems arose with the development of silicon integrated circuits.
Silicon is not a good choice of materials for many cell components such as
resistors. It had to be used, because it is a semiconductor, but it did not
lend itself to that purpose.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Heat and electricity

[H LV]

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, H LV  wrote:
>
>
>>  In my question I said if you only had an LED. That implies a resistor is
>> not available.
>>
>
> One thought is to surround the LED by a material that emits a blackbody
> spectrum. That 10 W that goes to light the LED will be perfectly converted
> to the blackbody spectrum.
>
>
​​I thought of painting the LED black  which is a crude way of altering the
spectrum.



> There's a remaining ambiguity about what "heat" means. It's often used
> synonymously with "energy." But energy can be radiated or transmitted with
> a nonthermal spectrum, while one expects heat to have a thermal spectrum.
>
>
​There might be more sophisticated ways of altering the spectrum through
the application of magnetic fields and/or by varying the electrical input.
Maybe the ambient temperature could have an effect as well.

Harry​

Re: [Vo]:Heat and electricity

[Eric Walker]

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, H LV  wrote:


>  In my question I said if you only had an LED. That implies a resistor is
> not available.
>

One thought is to surround the LED by a material that emits a blackbody
spectrum. That 10 W that goes to light the LED will be perfectly converted
to the blackbody spectrum.

There's a remaining ambiguity about what "heat" means. It's often used
synonymously with "energy." But energy can be radiated or transmitted with
a nonthermal spectrum, while one expects heat to have a thermal spectrum.

Eric

[Vo]:Which one is Pink?

[Jones Beene]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/apollo-10-astronauts-reported-unexplaine
d-music-at-moon_us_56c80662e4b0928f5a6c0679

[Vo]:Fw: [teslafy] Re: Original and secondary posts in air core transf. thread.

[Harvey Norris]

 Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances 
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/

 On Saturday, February 20, 2016 2:21 PM, "harv...@yahoo.com [teslafy]" 
 wrote:
 

     2nd post in thread.Damned right the frequency is important for the simple 
fact that the Q's of the primary and secondary system as X(L)/R will be 
increased proportionally, but the actual energy in the system is increased 
exponentially, due the  squaring involved on both the amperage and voltage 
equations of I^2R and CV^2. However this reply is made just now and not on the 
TCML list. Here is my censured reply;
Now the same conundrum is shown with the 9 element primary model where 
comparing the ratios;"The front stronger coil displays ~1400 volts lighting the 
xenon discharge with an amperage circulation of one fifth of an amp. The 
primary phase under this is sending in ~ 1 amp or so @ 9 volts. Thus reactive 
comparisons of primary/secondary VA numbers are 9*1= 1400* (.2)=1400/5 = 280. 
So nine VA goes in but 280 VA comes out. How can this be explained? It is an 
inaccurate measurement based on reactive quantities. So where does the truth 
lie? WE HAVE TO MEASURE AND COMPARE THE ENERGY TRANSFER IN BOTH THE PRIMARY AND 
SECONDARY SYSTEMS TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUE RATIO OF DELIVERY. For the electric 
field Energy in joules= (1/2)CV^2. Thus the voltages on the primary and 
secondary sides do not have a linear comparison but rather an exponential one. 
However even after this compensation factor is factored in to the calculations 
we see more reactive power going out then is going into the process, 
essentially what might be termed a “reactive power magnifier” for lack of a 
better term. 39% more true power will be emited from the secondary sources then 
a similar comparison of the primary sources. Taken from final moments from 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/harvich/23636379720/in/dateposted-public/

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Re: [Vo]:Heat and electricity

[H LV]

In my question I said if you only had an LED. That implies a resistor is
not available.

Whether or not something is valued as a tool depends on the situation and
the user. A blind man will not value an LED as a tool for illuminating a
braille book.



Harry

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> H LV  wrote:
>
> An LED is efficient at converting electricity into light but it is
>> inefficient at converting electricity in to heat. So if you wanted heat and
>> only had an LED how would you make it more efficient at producing heat?
>>
>
> You wouldn't! Use a resistor. It converts 100% of the electricity into
> heat. Nothing can be more efficient than that.
>
> Perhaps I misunderstand the question, but this seems like asking how to
> use hammer in place of screwdriver. It is a bad idea. Although after
> stripping several wood screws while assembling a shelf, my father once
> picked up a hammer and pounded them down, saying "this is what we call a
> Chicago screw driver."
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Heat and electricity

[Jed Rothwell]

H LV  wrote:

An LED is efficient at converting electricity into light but it is
> inefficient at converting electricity in to heat. So if you wanted heat and
> only had an LED how would you make it more efficient at producing heat?
>

You wouldn't! Use a resistor. It converts 100% of the electricity into
heat. Nothing can be more efficient than that.

Perhaps I misunderstand the question, but this seems like asking how to use
hammer in place of screwdriver. It is a bad idea. Although after stripping
several wood screws while assembling a shelf, my father once picked up a
hammer and pounded them down, saying "this is what we call a Chicago screw
driver."

- Jed

[Vo]:Fw: [jlnlabs] Fw: [usa-tesla] Re: Censorship from TCML on air core transformer subject.

[Harvey Norris]

 Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances 
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/

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http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/

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Voltage Meter Triangulation Tests for Time Distortion  each given flicker 
references with commentaries, of which the last is an effective summary. 
Time Distortion Tests on 666 Machine Show ~ 400% Magnification of Reactive 
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[Vo]:Fw: [jlnlabs] Fw: [usa-tesla] Re: Censorship from TCML on air core transformer subject.

[Harvey Norris]

 Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances 
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/

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[jlnlabs]"  wrote:
 

      Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances 
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/

 On Saturday, February 20, 2016 1:19 PM, "harv...@yahoo.com [usa-tesla]" 
 wrote:
 

     The article has power analysis from four jpegs taken from the video Six 
Voltage Meter Triangulation Tests for Time Distortion  each given flicker 
references with commentaries, of which the last is an effective summary. 
Time Distortion Tests on 666 Machine Show ~ 400% Magnification of Reactive 
Input. | Energy 
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[Vo]:Heat and electricity

[H LV]

A typical goal of energy conversion is to convert heat into electricity and
to do it as efficiently as possible. However, if the goal is to convert
electricity into heat the issue of efficiency also arises.


An LED is efficient at converting electricity into light but it is
inefficient at converting electricity in to heat. So if you wanted heat and
only had an LED how would you make it more efficient at producing heat?

Harry

[Vo]:Fw: [usa-tesla] Re: Censorship from TCML on air core transformer subject.

[Harvey Norris]

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Voltage Meter Triangulation Tests for Time Distortion  each given flicker 
references with commentaries, of which the last is an effective summary. 
Time Distortion Tests on 666 Machine Show ~ 400% Magnification of Reactive 
Input. | Energy 
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[Vo]:LENR and dark matter

[Axil Axil]

I agree with Ed Storms that the many experiments in LENR show that this
strange process is basically produced among other things by imperfections
in the lattice structure of transition metals: cracks as Ed terms these
imperfections.

Ed Storms is postulating that a new form of hydrogen is central to the LENR
process. I suspect that this is correct.

The way this newly recognized type of hydrogen is produced is through the
application of high pressure. Hydrogen has a complex state diagram that
shows how hydrogen can evolve from a dielectric gas into a metal through
the application of high temperature and/or pressure. More broadly, I
suspect that there is a yet undiscovered mode of chemistry that exists at
high pressure which produces LENR active chemical compounds.

The pressure exerted by the chemical bonds surrounding the voids in the
lattice structure of transition metals could become high enough to produce
high pressure formed chemical compounds that demonstrate the LENR effect.
Other quantum mechanical based mechanisms add to this probability that high
pressure LENR compounds will form. One such added pressure amplification
cause is a pressure shock as suggested is required by Piantelli.

In a completely independent line of evidence, one indication that high
pressure chemistry is active as a source of heat is the evidence of the
completion of a number of NASA planetary mission probes that has shown
unexplained heat sources in the cores of celestial bodies of sufficient
mass to produce high pressure chemistry at the centers of these objects.
These include the Moon, Mercury, Pluto, Ceres, and various other less
massive bodies in both the Kuiper belt and asteroid belts. Such chemistry
might even be at work within the Sun as indicated by the new solar probes
fielded by NASA.

In addition, evidence derived from the high pressure conditions produced by
collapsing cavitation bubbles indicate that other high pressure chemical
compounds besides hydrogen might also produce LENR effects. These compounds
include but not limited to water, liquid metals, and molten salts.

There is also a theory that high pressure chemistry might be the basis of
the effects expected by dark matter. Holmlid, Mills, and Shoulders have
speculated that the chemical compounds produced by high pressure/EMF are
dark matter. The characteristics of these compounds indicated that they
absorb EMF energy in a dark mode and gain mass/energy through the
absorption of catalyzed nuclear binding energy to form WIMPS (in particle
physics and astrophysics, weakly interacting massive particles are among
the last hypothetical particle physics candidates for dark matter) These
particles convert catalyzed energy derive from nuclear binding energy into
thermal energy through quantum mechanical means.

These particles in their natural state have not yet been detected as dark
matter because they are only produced by the high pressure conditions
inside large celestial objects and exist in a metastable condition. Because
these particles are metastable, these exotic neutral particles (ENP) will
decay in time if their stores of energy are not replenished in an ongoing
process.

Re: [Vo]:the expected LENR Surprise Rossi's long time test over!Re:

[Axil Axil]

What I remember, the power consumed by the E-Cat was to be compared to the
power consumed by the customers past boiler. The bill came from the
electric company.

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 11:20 AM, H LV  wrote:

> BTW, last December Rossi said on his blog that he was selling heat to the
> customer. For some reason this statement didn't seem to raise any eyebrows.
> It must mean the customer was not spending any money on energy to run the
> reactor and that Rossi could potentially sell the heat at a loss to keep
> the customer satisfied.
>
> Harry
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 10:52 AM, H LV  wrote:
>
>> This report probably involves an audit as well.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Jed Rothwell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think this report is odd because --
>>>
>>> 1. As I said before, it should not take a year to test the machine. Any
>>> HVAC engineer can confirm it is producing heat in a few hours. Perhaps it
>>> takes a year to determine reliability, but as I said before, reliability is
>>> not an issue with a first-generation prototype machine. It is bound to be
>>> unreliable.
>>>
>>> 2. If someone was testing a machine for a whole year, they would be
>>> writing the report during that time and it would be ready as soon as the
>>> test ends. I do not see why it would take a month. Perhaps I am missing
>>> something. Perhaps I am thinking of how long it takes to prepare a manual
>>> for a new commercial product. (The manual better be ready when production
>>> begins, or you should fire your tech writer.)
>>>
>>> The Lugano report took a long time to write. As I recall they did not
>>> finish writing it until long after the test ended. That was symptomatic of
>>> their problems. I mean that the test was poorly done, and the report was
>>> poorly written, and both took far too long.
>>>
>>> - Jed
>>>
>>>
>>
>

[Vo]:two missing links in the LENR chain

[Peter Gluck]

For well known reasons, alpinists strongly dislike missing/broken/weak
chains- and LENR is in full ascension now- a critical moment

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/02/feb-20-2016-lenr-info-two-missing-links.html

Yours,
Peter
-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:the expected LENR Surprise Rossi's long time test over!Re:

[H LV]

BTW, last December Rossi said on his blog that he was selling heat to the
customer. For some reason this statement didn't seem to raise any eyebrows.
It must mean the customer was not spending any money on energy to run the
reactor and that Rossi could potentially sell the heat at a loss to keep
the customer satisfied.

Harry

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 10:52 AM, H LV  wrote:

> This report probably involves an audit as well.
>
> Harry
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
>
>> I think this report is odd because --
>>
>> 1. As I said before, it should not take a year to test the machine. Any
>> HVAC engineer can confirm it is producing heat in a few hours. Perhaps it
>> takes a year to determine reliability, but as I said before, reliability is
>> not an issue with a first-generation prototype machine. It is bound to be
>> unreliable.
>>
>> 2. If someone was testing a machine for a whole year, they would be
>> writing the report during that time and it would be ready as soon as the
>> test ends. I do not see why it would take a month. Perhaps I am missing
>> something. Perhaps I am thinking of how long it takes to prepare a manual
>> for a new commercial product. (The manual better be ready when production
>> begins, or you should fire your tech writer.)
>>
>> The Lugano report took a long time to write. As I recall they did not
>> finish writing it until long after the test ended. That was symptomatic of
>> their problems. I mean that the test was poorly done, and the report was
>> poorly written, and both took far too long.
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:the expected LENR Surprise Rossi's long time test over!

[Bob Higgins]

While I have plenty of reasons to criticize the means of analysis of the
Lugano experiment, the time it took to release the report is not something
I would criticize.  The analysis of the ash could only be conducted after
the experiment was completed.  After termination of the experiment,
arrangements had to be made to break open the reactor and scrape out the
ash.  Then the ash had to go to a separate labs for SEM/EDS analysis,
ICP-MS, and SIMS.  Getting these tests completed and the results integrated
into the report took some time.

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

>
> The Lugano report took a long time to write. As I recall they did not
> finish writing it until long after the test ended. That was symptomatic of
> their problems. I mean that the test was poorly done, and the report was
> poorly written, and both took far too long.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:the expected LENR Surprise Rossi's long time test over!Re:

[Axil Axil]

The year long test...

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Jed Rothwell 
wrote:

> Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>
>> The report is the sole responsibility of the nuclear engineering expert.
>>
>
> Which report do you mean? Lugano? The authors are not all nuclear
> engineers. I do not know who caused it to take so long.
>
> I do know that professors tend to be late writing papers. Way late. As in,
> months or years late. I wish I had known that when I was in college.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:the expected LENR Surprise Rossi's long time test over!Re:

[Jed Rothwell]

Axil Axil  wrote:


> The report is the sole responsibility of the nuclear engineering expert.
>

Which report do you mean? Lugano? The authors are not all nuclear
engineers. I do not know who caused it to take so long.

I do know that professors tend to be late writing papers. Way late. As in,
months or years late. I wish I had known that when I was in college.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:the expected LENR Surprise Rossi's long time test over!Re:

[Axil Axil]

The report is the sole responsibility of the nuclear engineering expert.
There is nothing in the nuclear business that is done quickly and it is
always hugely overpriced and way behind schedule.  That is the nuclear
culture, the prima donnas of engineering.

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Jed Rothwell 
wrote:

> I think this report is odd because --
>
> 1. As I said before, it should not take a year to test the machine. Any
> HVAC engineer can confirm it is producing heat in a few hours. Perhaps it
> takes a year to determine reliability, but as I said before, reliability is
> not an issue with a first-generation prototype machine. It is bound to be
> unreliable.
>
> 2. If someone was testing a machine for a whole year, they would be
> writing the report during that time and it would be ready as soon as the
> test ends. I do not see why it would take a month. Perhaps I am missing
> something. Perhaps I am thinking of how long it takes to prepare a manual
> for a new commercial product. (The manual better be ready when production
> begins, or you should fire your tech writer.)
>
> The Lugano report took a long time to write. As I recall they did not
> finish writing it until long after the test ended. That was symptomatic of
> their problems. I mean that the test was poorly done, and the report was
> poorly written, and both took far too long.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:the expected LENR Surprise Rossi's long time test over!Re:

[H LV]

This report probably involves an audit as well.

Harry

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Jed Rothwell 
wrote:

> I think this report is odd because --
>
> 1. As I said before, it should not take a year to test the machine. Any
> HVAC engineer can confirm it is producing heat in a few hours. Perhaps it
> takes a year to determine reliability, but as I said before, reliability is
> not an issue with a first-generation prototype machine. It is bound to be
> unreliable.
>
> 2. If someone was testing a machine for a whole year, they would be
> writing the report during that time and it would be ready as soon as the
> test ends. I do not see why it would take a month. Perhaps I am missing
> something. Perhaps I am thinking of how long it takes to prepare a manual
> for a new commercial product. (The manual better be ready when production
> begins, or you should fire your tech writer.)
>
> The Lugano report took a long time to write. As I recall they did not
> finish writing it until long after the test ended. That was symptomatic of
> their problems. I mean that the test was poorly done, and the report was
> poorly written, and both took far too long.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:the expected LENR Surprise Rossi's long time test over!Re:

[Peter Gluck]

dear Jed,

I am asking for permission to quote your message as  it is - in my blog now.
Thanks
Peter

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> I think this report is odd because --
>
> 1. As I said before, it should not take a year to test the machine. Any
> HVAC engineer can confirm it is producing heat in a few hours. Perhaps it
> takes a year to determine reliability, but as I said before, reliability is
> not an issue with a first-generation prototype machine. It is bound to be
> unreliable.
>
> 2. If someone was testing a machine for a whole year, they would be
> writing the report during that time and it would be ready as soon as the
> test ends. I do not see why it would take a month. Perhaps I am missing
> something. Perhaps I am thinking of how long it takes to prepare a manual
> for a new commercial product. (The manual better be ready when production
> begins, or you should fire your tech writer.)
>
> The Lugano report took a long time to write. As I recall they did not
> finish writing it until long after the test ended. That was symptomatic of
> their problems. I mean that the test was poorly done, and the report was
> poorly written, and both took far too long.
>
> - Jed
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:the expected LENR Surprise Rossi's long time test over!Re:

[Jed Rothwell]

I think this report is odd because --

1. As I said before, it should not take a year to test the machine. Any
HVAC engineer can confirm it is producing heat in a few hours. Perhaps it
takes a year to determine reliability, but as I said before, reliability is
not an issue with a first-generation prototype machine. It is bound to be
unreliable.

2. If someone was testing a machine for a whole year, they would be writing
the report during that time and it would be ready as soon as the test ends.
I do not see why it would take a month. Perhaps I am missing something.
Perhaps I am thinking of how long it takes to prepare a manual for a new
commercial product. (The manual better be ready when production begins, or
you should fire your tech writer.)

The Lugano report took a long time to write. As I recall they did not
finish writing it until long after the test ended. That was symptomatic of
their problems. I mean that the test was poorly done, and the report was
poorly written, and both took far too long.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:the expected LENR Surprise Rossi's long time test over!Re:

[Daniel Rocha]

I don't think he is anything. It is just that it seems a wast of time
following him.

2016-02-18 15:46 GMT-02:00 a.ashfield :

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> Daniel Rocha,
> That's pathetic.  Who cares if you view Rossi guilty before being proved
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