Re: [Vo]:Interesting next 12 months

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

I'm no expert here but it is claimed there is no emitted em radiation 
from either drive. The EmDrive site has a video of the drive in action, 
a chart of input power versus thrust developed and a development 
contract with a US aerospace company that required UK gov approval. It 
appears simpler to build than the QDrive.


AG


On 11/22/2011 5:27 AM, David Roberson wrote:
AG, I took a quick look at the EmDrive and QDrive information and must 
say that it would take a lot more effort to have any idea of how they 
work.
One question which I would like to have answered is as follows:  Do 
either of these devices emit electromagnetic radiation in a direction 
that is
opposite to the forward thrust?  In my humble way of thinking, 
momentum is carried away with radio waves just as it would be if 
actual material
were expelled.  If these devices emit radio waves, then they do not 
excite me.

Dave
-Original Message-
From: Aussie Guy E-Cat 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 12:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting next 12 months

For inquiring minds:

Dean Drive:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_drive
http://www.jerrypournelle.com/science/dean.html
EmDrive:http://emdrive.com/
QDrive:http://www.cannae.com/

AG


On 11/22/2011 2:34 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
>  LENR does not violate neither energy nor momentum.
>
>  2011/11/21 Aussie Guy E-Catmailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com>
>  <mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com  <mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com?>>>
>
>  It should be an interesting next 12 months with at least 2
>  companies selling LENR systems. I also note that both the EmDrive
>  (Chinese claim to have replicated) and the QDrive reactionless
>  space drives apparently work and will cause a few cracks in the
>  set in concrete Laws. One wonders if the Dean Drive
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_drive  also worked but got buried
>  like LENR because it COULDN'T work as it violated the Conservation
>  of Momentum and we lost 50 years of reactionless drive
>  development. I do remember seeing the Dean Drive on Dave
>  Garroway's Today Show (in 1958 according to Google) as it hung
>  vertical from a chain and pulled a load toward it. Yes I do
>  understand stiction. Probably time to put on my flame proof suit. ;)
>
>
>
>
>  -- 
>  Daniel Rocha - RJ

>  danieldi...@gmail.com  <mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com>  <mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com  
<mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com?>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Interesting next 12 months

[David Roberson]

AG, I took a quick look at the EmDrive and QDrive information and must say that 
it would take a lot more effort to have any idea of how they work.
One question which I would like to have answered is as follows:  Do either of 
these devices emit electromagnetic radiation in a direction that is
opposite to the forward thrust?  In my humble way of thinking, momentum is 
carried away with radio waves just as it would be if actual material
were expelled.  If these devices emit radio waves, then they do not excite me.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Aussie Guy E-Cat 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 12:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting next 12 months


For inquiring minds:
Dean Drive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_drive 
ttp://www.jerrypournelle.com/science/dean.html
mDrive: http://emdrive.com/
Drive: http://www.cannae.com/
AG

n 11/22/2011 2:34 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
 LENR does not violate neither energy nor momentum.

 2011/11/21 Aussie Guy E-Cat mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com>>

 It should be an interesting next 12 months with at least 2
 companies selling LENR systems. I also note that both the EmDrive
 (Chinese claim to have replicated) and the QDrive reactionless
 space drives apparently work and will cause a few cracks in the
 set in concrete Laws. One wonders if the Dean Drive
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_drive also worked but got buried
 like LENR because it COULDN'T work as it violated the Conservation
 of Momentum and we lost 50 years of reactionless drive
 development. I do remember seeing the Dean Drive on Dave
 Garroway's Today Show (in 1958 according to Google) as it hung
 vertical from a chain and pulled a load toward it. Yes I do
 understand stiction. Probably time to put on my flame proof suit. ;)




 -- 
 Daniel Rocha - RJ
 danieldi...@gmail.com <mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com>

Re: [Vo]:Interesting next 12 months

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

I did follow up on what G. Harry Stine observed in a long steel rod: 
http://www.rexresearch.com/dean/stine.htm Stine was only one of a few 
that ever saw the Dean Drive in the flesh. I have searched for but never 
found a video of the Dean Drive demo on the Dave Garroway Today Show. 
I'm sure there is a video tape somewhere???  Stine said: "...I saw the 
Dean Drive work, and I think I know how and why it worked...If it is 
impossible, what pushed against my hand?..."


AG


On 11/22/2011 3:39 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:

Yeah, I don't think anyone has built a successful Dean Drive.
However, I believe the propulsion system patent granted to Eric R.
Laithwaite posthumously has a chance:

http://ip.com/patent/US5860317

T

Re: [Vo]:Interesting next 12 months

[Terry Blanton]

Yeah, I don't think anyone has built a successful Dean Drive.
However, I believe the propulsion system patent granted to Eric R.
Laithwaite posthumously has a chance:

http://ip.com/patent/US5860317

T

Re: [Vo]:Interesting next 12 months

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

Again we agree. As we seem to be on a roll, care to make it a hat trick?

AG


On 11/22/2011 2:45 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:



On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat 
mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com>> wrote:


It should be an interesting next 12 months with at least 2
companies selling LENR systems.


It will only become "very interesting" when someone can identify at 
least **one** client who actually received a machine, tested it 
properly and can prove it works.

Re: [Vo]:Interesting next 12 months

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

For inquiring minds:

Dean Drive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_drive 
http://www.jerrypournelle.com/science/dean.html

EmDrive: http://emdrive.com/
QDrive: http://www.cannae.com/

AG


On 11/22/2011 2:34 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:

LENR does not violate neither energy nor momentum.

2011/11/21 Aussie Guy E-Cat >


It should be an interesting next 12 months with at least 2
companies selling LENR systems. I also note that both the EmDrive
(Chinese claim to have replicated) and the QDrive reactionless
space drives apparently work and will cause a few cracks in the
set in concrete Laws. One wonders if the Dean Drive
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_drive also worked but got buried
like LENR because it COULDN'T work as it violated the Conservation
of Momentum and we lost 50 years of reactionless drive
development. I do remember seeing the Dean Drive on Dave
Garroway's Today Show (in 1958 according to Google) as it hung
vertical from a chain and pulled a load toward it. Yes I do
understand stiction. Probably time to put on my flame proof suit. ;)




--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com 

Re: [Vo]:Interesting next 12 months

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

Must say that for once we agree that the test protocol needs significant 
improvement. However both the EmDrive and the QDrive seem to work.


AG


On 11/22/2011 3:22 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:



On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat 
mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Jim Cox videos of Dean Drive replication:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtBvzCjpPcE
 Must admit I did
build a unit but it never worked.


Very unconvincing.  If it's not simply sleight of hand, it seems to be 
fooling mechanical scales because they have a poor frequency 
response.  Probably analogous to trying to read a complex AC waveform 
on a cheap digital voltmeter -- a lot of so-called "free energy" of 
the bargain basement done-in-my-garage variety relies on that.  It'd 
be interesting to see what the device does when connected to a modern 
fast responding strain gauge and a nice wide band integrating 
oscilloscope.

Re: [Vo]:Interesting next 12 months

[Mary Yugo]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
wrote:

> Jim Cox videos of Dean Drive replication:
> www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtBvzCjpPcE Must admit I did build a unit but it
> never worked.
>

Very unconvincing.  If it's not simply sleight of hand, it seems to be
fooling mechanical scales because they have a poor frequency response.
Probably analogous to trying to read a complex AC waveform on a cheap
digital voltmeter -- a lot of so-called "free energy" of the bargain
basement done-in-my-garage variety relies on that.  It'd be interesting to
see what the device does when connected to a modern fast responding strain
gauge and a nice wide band integrating oscilloscope.

Re: [Vo]:Interesting next 12 months

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

Jim Cox videos of Dean Drive replication: 
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtBvzCjpPcE Must admit I did build a unit but it 
never worked.


AG


On 11/22/2011 2:46 AM, Ron Kita wrote:


Re: Dean DriveJim Cox formerly of TRW Space Park has devoted his 
entire life to
the Dean Drive.   Seems to work..but...mechanically "difficult".  Jim 
now is retired in lives
in Sparks NV bootstrap...@yahoo.com    
The Interial Drive by Professor Alfio DiBella
of the University of Bologna works in according to a Mobius Path 
called Vivendi Window

Patent 3404854
Ron Kita
Doylestown PA  Ad Astra
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat 
mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com>> wrote:


It should be an interesting next 12 months with at least 2
companies selling LENR systems. I also note that both the EmDrive
(Chinese claim to have replicated) and the QDrive reactionless
space drives apparently work and will cause a few cracks in the
set in concrete Laws. One wonders if the Dean Drive
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_drive also worked but got buried
like LENR because it COULDN'T work as it violated the Conservation
of Momentum and we lost 50 years of reactionless drive
development. I do remember seeing the Dean Drive on Dave
Garroway's Today Show (in 1958 according to Google) as it hung
vertical from a chain and pulled a load toward it. Yes I do
understand stiction. Probably time to put on my flame proof suit. ;)

Re: [Vo]:Interesting next 12 months

[Ron Kita]

Re: Dean DriveJim Cox formerly of TRW Space Park has devoted his entire
life to
the Dean Drive.   Seems to work..but...mechanically "difficult".  Jim now
is retired in lives
in Sparks NV  bootstrap...@yahoo.com   The Interial Drive by Professor
Alfio DiBella
of the University of Bologna works in according to a Mobius Path called
Vivendi Window
Patent 3404854

Ron Kita
Doylestown PA  Ad Astra
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat  wrote:

> It should be an interesting next 12 months with at least 2 companies
> selling LENR systems. I also note that both the EmDrive (Chinese claim to
> have replicated) and the QDrive reactionless space drives apparently work
> and will cause a few cracks in the set in concrete Laws. One wonders if the
> Dean Drive 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Dean_drivealso
>  worked but got buried like LENR because it COULDN'T work as it
> violated the Conservation of Momentum and we lost 50 years of reactionless
> drive development. I do remember seeing the Dean Drive on Dave Garroway's
> Today Show (in 1958 according to Google) as it hung vertical from a chain
> and pulled a load toward it. Yes I do understand stiction. Probably time to
> put on my flame proof suit. ;)
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Interesting next 12 months

[Mary Yugo]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
wrote:

> It should be an interesting next 12 months with at least 2 companies
> selling LENR systems.
>

It will only become "very interesting" when someone can identify at least
**one** client who actually received a machine, tested it properly and can
prove it works.

Re: [Vo]:Interesting next 12 months

[Daniel Rocha]

LENR does not violate neither energy nor momentum.

2011/11/21 Aussie Guy E-Cat 

> It should be an interesting next 12 months with at least 2 companies
> selling LENR systems. I also note that both the EmDrive (Chinese claim to
> have replicated) and the QDrive reactionless space drives apparently work
> and will cause a few cracks in the set in concrete Laws. One wonders if the
> Dean Drive 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Dean_drivealso
>  worked but got buried like LENR because it COULDN'T work as it
> violated the Conservation of Momentum and we lost 50 years of reactionless
> drive development. I do remember seeing the Dean Drive on Dave Garroway's
> Today Show (in 1958 according to Google) as it hung vertical from a chain
> and pulled a load toward it. Yes I do understand stiction. Probably time to
> put on my flame proof suit. ;)
>
>


-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

[Vo]:Interesting next 12 months

[Aussie Guy E-Cat]

It should be an interesting next 12 months with at least 2 companies 
selling LENR systems. I also note that both the EmDrive (Chinese claim 
to have replicated) and the QDrive reactionless space drives apparently 
work and will cause a few cracks in the set in concrete Laws. One 
wonders if the Dean Drive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_drive also 
worked but got buried like LENR because it COULDN'T work as it violated 
the Conservation of Momentum and we lost 50 years of reactionless drive 
development. I do remember seeing the Dean Drive on Dave Garroway's 
Today Show (in 1958 according to Google) as it hung vertical from a 
chain and pulled a load toward it. Yes I do understand stiction. 
Probably time to put on my flame proof suit. ;)