Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-22 Thread Frederick Sparber


Robin wrote:
 
 ...and both chose the number three because we live in a 3 dimensional universe.

And we live on the 3rd planet from the sun (between three jovian planets)
northwest of the Bermuda Triangle. 

Regards

Fred President  CEO, Third Planet Industries InK. :-)
 Regards, Robin van Spaandonk

Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-22 Thread Taylor J. Smith

thomas malloy wrote:

John E W Keeley believed that there were three
subunits that made up the atom, Dale Pond created an 
excellent graphic showing three spheres dancing around one another, It 
can be seen at http://www.svpvril.com/astro.html#animatedtriplet

Robin van Spaandonk wrote:

...and both chose the number three because we live in a 3
dimensional universe.

Hi All,

Yes, and there is no fourth physical dimension.  Time is just
a series of events that we keep track of.  Of course, Time
can be treated as a dimension for mathematical convenience.
A corollary is that there is no physical space-time.

I can't prove that there are no more than 3 physical dimensions,
but I also can't prove that no more than 30 angels can stand on
the head of a pin at the same time.

Jack Smith





Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-22 Thread thomas malloy

Robin van Spaandonk wrote:


In reply to  thomas malloy's message of Tue, 21 Mar 2006 01:32:35
-0600:
Hi,
[snip]
 


All the smoke and mirrors don't detract from the basic facts. What
I said stands. The number 3 is a direct consequence of living in a
3 dimensional universe.
   

There's a nonsequitor if ever I head one. 
   



Not if you had been following the thread.
 


I think that the universe is more complicated

 

John E W Keeley believed that 
there were three subunits that made up the atom, Dale Pond created an 
excellent graphic showing three spheres dancing around one another, It 
can be seen at http://www.svpvril.com/astro.html#animatedtriplet
   



...and both chose the number three because we live in a 3
dimensional universe.
 

Did anyone look at Dale Pond's graphic on SVPVRIL? He built a machine 
based on Keeley's design for the Dynasphere, and named it Atlin. He says 
that it works on the Strong Force, by love.. Women like it, that would 
be reason enough to get one. Dale has published a book, which is all I 
can afford...to be continued.



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Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-21 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to  thomas malloy's message of Tue, 21 Mar 2006 01:32:35
-0600:
Hi,
[snip]
 All the smoke and mirrors don't detract from the basic facts. What
 I said stands. The number 3 is a direct consequence of living in a
 3 dimensional universe.

There's a nonsequitor if ever I head one. 

Not if you had been following the thread.

John E W Keeley believed that 
there were three subunits that made up the atom, Dale Pond created an 
excellent graphic showing three spheres dancing around one another, It 
can be seen at http://www.svpvril.com/astro.html#animatedtriplet

...and both chose the number three because we live in a 3
dimensional universe.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/

Competition provides the motivation,
Cooperation provides the means.



Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-20 Thread Grimer
At 03:20 pm 20/03/2006 +1100, you wrote:
In reply to  Grimer's message of Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:46:28 +:
Hi,
[snip]
Or even one come to that - a string of ones and zeros.
One doesn't have to use the three Cartesian coordinates
to define space. one could use the locations along a big
ball of wool. It may not be so convenient but is would be
just as effective. 

You're ball of wool is still 3 dimensional.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk


Of course it is. I'm well aware of that.   8-)
And a chess board is a lot of black squares on a white
ground. But it is also a lot of white squares on a 
black ground. Can't you see that?

You should really read those marvellous books on 
mathematics by W W Sawyer and let some fresh air
into your stuffy three dimensional prison cell. ;-)

Frank

Frank

(You're ball of wool - I deny it. g )






Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-20 Thread RC Macaulay


- Original Message - 





At 03:20 pm 20/03/2006 +1100, you wrote:

In reply to  Grimer's message of Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:46:28 +:
Hi,
[snip]

Or even one come to that - a string of ones and zeros.
One doesn't have to use the three Cartesian coordinates
to define space. one could use the locations along a big
ball of wool. It may not be so convenient but is would be
just as effective.


You're ball of wool is still 3 dimensional.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk



Of course it is. I'm well aware of that.   8-)
And a chess board is a lot of black squares on a white
ground. But it is also a lot of white squares on a
black ground. Can't you see that?

You should really read those marvellous books on
mathematics by W W Sawyer and let some fresh air
into your stuffy three dimensional prison cell. ;-)

Frank

Frank

(You're ball of wool - I deny it. g )

.

Meanwhile back at the ranch,  John Wayne was cleaning his pistola when it 
suddenly discharged flying from his hand and crashing into the mirror over 
the bar in Rosa's Cantina south of Laredo. While surprised the lead bullet 
fell in his lap, the bartender took advantage of the situation by pointing 
to the sign that stated  you break my mirror, I break your head.
while crushing the crease in John's hat with a bung starter.  WW Sawyer, 
sitting across the room playing poker with a deck having 12 aces ( no 
mathematician ever uses the minimum number of anything)  , was visible 
shaken to witness his math being  confirmed that 3 x 4 = 12 and 4+3=7. 
However, his poker playing partner knew somebody was cheating at cards but 
couldn't prove it. Surely he stated , three is a crowd and I'm outa here.
The local sherriff  Dubya came thru the batwing doors backed up by FEMA 
blazing away with both shotgun barrels firing ,ending the discussion ,amused 
that people can perform wonders with numbers while eating cucumbers.


What does all thius mean ? It means that while everybody was sipping tequila 
in the cantina, the US went broke last week and nobody's got the money to 
buy the next round of drinks no matter how many dimensions you wind up with, 
call it three if you must, but it ain't gonna matter.



Richard 





Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-20 Thread Grimer
At 07:37 am 20/03/2006 -0600, Richard wrote:

 [snip}


 What does all this mean ? It means that while 
 everybody was sipping tequila in the cantina, 
 the US went broke last week and nobody's got the 
 money to buy the next round of drinks no matter 
 how many dimensions you wind up with, call it 
 three if you must, but it ain't gonna matter.

 Richard 


Funny you should say that, Richard. There's a 
prophecy about the world going bankrupt. 
Looks as though it may be coming to pass, eh!

Looks as though we are about to suffer that old
Chinese curse and live in exciting times.  8-)

Cheers,

Frank



Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-20 Thread thomas malloy

RC Macaulay wrote:



- Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk


In reply to  RC Macaulay's message of Sat, 18 Mar 2006 07:38:17
-0600:
Hi Richard,
[snip]


Howdy Robin,
Simple explanations of physics are never as simple as viewed. The 
rings,
like the favorite magic trick using loops, may actually each be 
shaped in
the figure 8 .. plus in mobus form. Cutting one would provide the 
optical illusion of separating the remaining two, or even trickier, 
the mobus strip type rings are not connected but  run in a track.

When watching a  magic show, one must consider what is seen doesn't


I like the mobus strip idea. My understanding of strings is that they 
vibrate, so instead of a ring, they might be more like a cylinder. 
Except who's to say that the vibrations go in just two directions. I've 
always theorized that the nucleus is a toroid, and I can picture the 
three rings operating together to fill in the space of the toroid.



necessarily mean you are seeing what is.


All the smoke and mirrors don't detract from the basic facts. What
I said stands. The number 3 is a direct consequence of living in a
3 dimensional universe.


There's a nonsequitor if ever I head one. John E W Keeley believed that 
there were three subunits that made up the atom, Dale Pond created an 
excellent graphic showing three spheres dancing around one another, It 
can be seen at http://www.svpvril.com/astro.html#animatedtriplet





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Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-19 Thread RC Macaulay


- Original Message - 
From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?



In reply to  RC Macaulay's message of Sat, 18 Mar 2006 07:38:17
-0600:
Hi Richard,
[snip]

Howdy Robin,
Simple explanations of physics are never as simple as viewed. The rings,
like the favorite magic trick using loops, may actually each be shaped in
the figure 8 .. plus in mobus form. Cutting one would provide the 
optical
illusion of separating the remaining two, or even trickier, the mobus 
strip

type rings are not connected but  run in a track.
When watching a  magic show, one must consider what is seen doesn't
necessarily mean you are seeing what is.


All the smoke and mirrors don't detract from the basic facts. What
I said stands. The number 3 is a direct consequence of living in a
3 dimensional universe.


Howdy Robin,
I agree that the number 3 represents three as I agree many in the Vorts 
group are the SPOTP. A 3 dimensional universe may be a stretch considering 
the universe is only an image of the real.

Richard




Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-19 Thread hohlrauml6d



-Original Message-
From: RC Macaulay

I agree that the number 3 represents three as I agree many in the Vorts 
group are the SPOTP. A 3 dimensional universe may be a stretch 
considering the universe is only an image of the real. 




Really, all that is needed is 2 dimensions.  As in hologram, all the 
information needed to create the third dimension is contained in the 
two.


Terry
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Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-19 Thread Grimer
At 11:10 am 19/03/2006 -0500, you wrote:


-Original Message-
From: RC Macaulay

I agree that the number 3 represents three as I agree many in the Vorts 
group are the SPOTP. A 3 dimensional universe may be a stretch 
considering the universe is only an image of the real. 



Really, all that is needed is 2 dimensions.  As in hologram, all the 
information needed to create the third dimension is contained in the 
two.

Terry


Or even one come to that - a string of ones and zeros.
One doesn't have to use the three Cartesian coordinates
to define space. one could use the locations along a big
ball of wool. It may not be so convenient but is would be
just as effective. 

In short, it all depends how you choose to look at things.

  I wish that there were four of them
   Then I could believe in more ov 'em.  8-)

Frank




Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-19 Thread hohlrauml6d


-Original Message-
From: Grimer

In short, it all depends how you choose to look at things.



Innit da trut!

Ackshully, the singularity contained all.

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Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-19 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to  RC Macaulay's message of Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:25:11
-0600:
Hi,
[snip]
Howdy Robin,
I agree that the number 3 represents three as I agree many in the Vorts 
group are the SPOTP. A 3 dimensional universe may be a stretch considering 
the universe is only an image of the real.
Richard

..but then so is everything in it, thus bound by the same rules.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/

Competition provides the motivation,
Cooperation provides the means.



Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-19 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to  [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s message of Sun, 19 Mar
2006 11:10:07 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
Really, all that is needed is 2 dimensions.  As in hologram, all the 
information needed to create the third dimension is contained in the 
two.

Terry

A Hologram does not contain all the information of a 3 D object.
You still can't see the back of it, and even if you could, you're
still only looking at the surface.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/

Competition provides the motivation,
Cooperation provides the means.



Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-19 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to  Grimer's message of Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:46:28 +:
Hi,
[snip]
Or even one come to that - a string of ones and zeros.
One doesn't have to use the three Cartesian coordinates
to define space. one could use the locations along a big
ball of wool. It may not be so convenient but is would be
just as effective. 

You're ball of wool is still 3 dimensional.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/

Competition provides the motivation,
Cooperation provides the means.



Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-18 Thread RC Macaulay

Howdy Robin,
Simple explanations of physics are never as simple as viewed. The rings, 
like the favorite magic trick using loops, may actually each be shaped in 
the figure 8 .. plus in mobus form. Cutting one would provide the optical 
illusion of separating the remaining two, or even trickier, the mobus strip 
type rings are not connected but  run in a track.
When watching a  magic show, one must consider what is seen doesn't 
necessarily mean you are seeing what is.

Richard
- Original Message - 
From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?



In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:10:01
-0800:
Hi,
[snip]

This ring means that three objects are entangled.  If you pick up
any one of them, the other two
will follow. However, if you cut one of them off, the other two
will fall apart, Chin said.

There is something magic about this number of three.

[snip]
There's nothing magic about it, it's a direct consequence of
living in a 3 dimensional universe. Point objects have 3 degrees
of freedom.

The rings demonstrate that beautifully.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/

Competition provides the motivation,
Cooperation provides the means.







Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-18 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to  RC Macaulay's message of Sat, 18 Mar 2006 07:38:17
-0600:
Hi Richard,
[snip]
Howdy Robin,
Simple explanations of physics are never as simple as viewed. The rings, 
like the favorite magic trick using loops, may actually each be shaped in 
the figure 8 .. plus in mobus form. Cutting one would provide the optical 
illusion of separating the remaining two, or even trickier, the mobus strip 
type rings are not connected but  run in a track.
When watching a  magic show, one must consider what is seen doesn't 
necessarily mean you are seeing what is.

All the smoke and mirrors don't detract from the basic facts. What
I said stands. The number 3 is a direct consequence of living in a
3 dimensional universe.



Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/

Competition provides the motivation,
Cooperation provides the means.



Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-17 Thread Jones Beene

Frank,


This structure
has the property that no two rings are interlocking, therefore 
if

any one of the rings is removed, then all three separate. That
would indicate temporary stability...


I was trying to visualize it with three proper rings and I 
couldn't. I now

see why. It's cos they are not proper rings at all.   Still,
to be fair you did first call them structures.   8-)


By proper you must mean identical circular rings ... then no, 
that won't work wihtout intersection (magician's rings) ... plus, 
there are many images on the google page which are not true 
Borromean rings.


OTOH do not need to go to the paper clip degree of elongation 
either.


This image is interesting in the context of three-axis spin:
http://sro.theory.org/my_rings.glenna.jpg

but these rings are elongated. Nor necessary for the nuclear 
variety.


When the ring itself is sinusoidal as it must be if each item is 
represented as a waveform, then all three of then can *intertsect* 
and enst in each others pathway - and then of course they are 
relatively circular, and of the same size.


Plus if each ring is composed of 137 full sine waves which - is 
obviously not divisible by two for perfect stability, then you 
must have that lissajous offset of 1/137 (at least) in every 
dynamic revloution. The Borromena wave structure is only stable as 
a dynamic structure.


I suspect that on some level of understanding - that relates to 
the more basic question of why the alpha constant is not really 
e'xactly 1/137' but has that small overage - which is of course 
due to the fact that it cannot be measured on a true plane - and 
the overage is most likely due to either the dynamic offset 
itself, or the cuvature of space.




It gets curiouser and curiouser



  Cried Alice (she was so much surprised, that for
  the moment she quite forgot how to speak good
  English). Now I'm opening out like the largest
  telescope that ever was!...



... which was quite a good-bye feat,

Jones 



Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-17 Thread Frederick Sparber

Jones.

You picked up on the 137 contact points of  (Crotalus cerastes Particlaes)
didn't you?  :-)

Particle Wavelength Lambda = hc/E = circumference of frictionless jar.
containing said snake 
Frequency f = c/lambda = 1.23e20 Hz for electron or positron. 
Displacement current I = q*f =19.68 amperes
q = C*V = (eo*lambda = 2.155e-23 farad) * V = 1.6e-19 coulombs
V= (E/0.5*2.155e-23)^1/2 = 8.7e4 Volts 
But I = V/Zo (Zo = 377 ohms)  = 230.7 amperes and 230.7/19.68 = 11.726 =
(137.03)^1/2. ???

Fred

http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~brm2286/locomotn.htm

Sidewinding is used by many snakes crawling on smooth or slippery
surfaces, but is best known in the sidewinder rattlesnake (Crotalus
cerastes) and a few desert vipers of Africa and Asia. Sidewinding is
similar to lateral undulation in the pattern of bending, but differs in
three critical ways: First, each point along the body is sequentially
placed in static (rather than sliding) friction with the substrate. Second,
segments of the body are lifted off the ground between the regions in
static contact with the ground. Thus, the body sort of rolls along the
ground from neck to tail, forming a characteristic track (that is
proportional to body length) in sand; after being lifted off the ground and
set down again a short distance away, the front part of the body begins a
new track while the rear part of the body completes the old track. Third,
because of the static contact and lifting of the body, the snake travels
roughly diagonally relative to the tracks it forms on the ground. Muscle
activity during sidewinding is similar to that in lateral undulation except
that some muscles are also active bilaterally in the regions of trunk
lifting.

Jones Sidewinder Beene wrote.

 Frank,

  This structure
  has the property that no two rings are interlocking, therefore 
  if
  any one of the rings is removed, then all three separate. That
  would indicate temporary stability...

 I was trying to visualize it with three proper rings and I 
 couldn't. I now
 see why. It's cos they are not proper rings at all.   Still,
 to be fair you did first call them structures.   8-)

 By proper you must mean identical circular rings ... then no, 
 that won't work wihtout intersection (magician's rings) ... plus, 
 there are many images on the google page which are not true 
 Borromean rings.

 OTOH do not need to go to the paper clip degree of elongation 
 either.

 This image is interesting in the context of three-axis spin:
 http://sro.theory.org/my_rings.glenna.jpg

 but these rings are elongated. Nor necessary for the nuclear 
 variety.

 When the ring itself is sinusoidal as it must be if each item is 
 represented as a waveform, then all three of then can *intertsect* 
 and enst in each others pathway - and then of course they are 
 relatively circular, and of the same size.

 Plus if each ring is composed of 137 full sine waves which - is 
 obviously not divisible by two for perfect stability, then you 
 must have that lissajous offset of 1/137 (at least) in every 
 dynamic revloution. The Borromena wave structure is only stable as 
 a dynamic structure.

 I suspect that on some level of understanding - that relates to 
 the more basic question of why the alpha constant is not really 
 e'xactly 1/137' but has that small overage - which is of course 
 due to the fact that it cannot be measured on a true plane - and 
 the overage is most likely due to either the dynamic offset 
 itself, or the cuvature of space.


  It gets curiouser and curiouser

Cried Alice (she was so much surprised, that for
the moment she quite forgot how to speak good
English). Now I'm opening out like the largest
telescope that ever was!...


 ... which was quite a good-bye feat,

 Jones 





Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-17 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:10:01
-0800:
Hi,
[snip]
This ring means that three objects are entangled.  If you pick up 
any one of them, the other two
will follow. However, if you cut one of them off, the other two 
will fall apart, Chin said.

There is something magic about this number of three.
[snip]
There's nothing magic about it, it's a direct consequence of
living in a 3 dimensional universe. Point objects have 3 degrees
of freedom.

The rings demonstrate that beautifully.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/

Competition provides the motivation,
Cooperation provides the means.



Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-16 Thread Grimer
At 10:16 pm 15/03/2006 -0900, Horace wrote:

 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060315174950.htm

 This ring means that three objects are entangled. 
 If you pick up any one of them, the other two will follow. 
 However, if you cut one of them off, the other two will 
 fall apart, Chin said. There is something magic about 
 this number of three.

 If you can create this kind of state out of any other type of  
 particle, it'll have exactly the same behavior, Chin said.


The article also goes on to say,

=
Today, nanotechnology researchers can combine 
atoms in novel ways to form materials with 
interesting new properties, but you are not 
changing the fundamental interactions of these 
atoms, Chin said. That can only be done at 
temperatures near absolute zero. 
At the moment, I don't see how this can be 
done at much higher temperatures, he said. 


I can.  8-)

Lowering the temperature is increasing the Compreture
pressure. Lowering the Beta-atmosphere pressure by 
the 12th power three dimensional Casimir action will
be the equivalent of increasing Compreture. 


 This is a cryogenic state, but one has to wonder 
 about the possibility of a similar state existing 
 in a lattice for a sufficient time to produce 
 multi-nuclear LENR.


One need wonder no longer.  8-) 

This is how Cold Fusion works as I explained in 
the Infinite Energy magazine article. Lowering 
temperature is increasing the numerator. Lowering
Beta-atmosphere pressure is decreasing the denominator.

Curiously enough, it literally is Cold Fusion -
bloody cold - or the Beta-atmosphere equivalent of
bloody cold to be exact.

Cheers,

Frank







Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-16 Thread RC Macaulay

Howdy Frank,
Which is also an excellent theoretical description of the principle of the 
Ranque-Hilsch vortex tube.

Richard
- Original Message - 
From: Grimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?



At 10:16 pm 15/03/2006 -0900, Horace wrote:


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060315174950.htm

This ring means that three objects are entangled.
If you pick up any one of them, the other two will follow.
However, if you cut one of them off, the other two will
fall apart, Chin said. There is something magic about
this number of three.

If you can create this kind of state out of any other type of
particle, it'll have exactly the same behavior, Chin said.



The article also goes on to say,

   =
   Today, nanotechnology researchers can combine
   atoms in novel ways to form materials with
   interesting new properties, but you are not
   changing the fundamental interactions of these
   atoms, Chin said. That can only be done at
   temperatures near absolute zero.
   At the moment, I don't see how this can be
   done at much higher temperatures, he said.
   

I can.  8-)

Lowering the temperature is increasing the Compreture
pressure. Lowering the Beta-atmosphere pressure by
the 12th power three dimensional Casimir action will
be the equivalent of increasing Compreture.



This is a cryogenic state, but one has to wonder
about the possibility of a similar state existing
in a lattice for a sufficient time to produce
multi-nuclear LENR.



One need wonder no longer.  8-)

This is how Cold Fusion works as I explained in
the Infinite Energy magazine article. Lowering
temperature is increasing the numerator. Lowering
Beta-atmosphere pressure is decreasing the denominator.

Curiously enough, it literally is Cold Fusion -
bloody cold - or the Beta-atmosphere equivalent of
bloody cold to be exact.

Cheers,

Frank











Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-16 Thread Grimer
At 07:47 am 16/03/2006 -0600, you wrote:

 Howdy Frank,

 Which is also an excellent theoretical 
 description of the principle of the 
 Ranque-Hilsch vortex tube.

 Richard


I see what you mean. You got there before
I did. But with all your very tangible 
experience of such phenomena - that is 
only to be expected.8-)

Frank



Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-16 Thread Jones Beene
This ring means that three objects are entangled.  If you pick up 
any one of them, the other two
will follow. However, if you cut one of them off, the other two 
will fall apart, Chin said.


There is something magic about this number of three.


Ha! In a number of past posts I have tried to wax poetic on the 
subject of triad Form, and in particular the so-called Borromean 
structures (three interlocking rings) which are

fascinating in the context of nuclear theory.

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20040529/fob7.asp

... but I was not aware of the so-callaed Efimov strucutre Are 
they related?


you bet your fur they are, mother nature.

Just after the turn of the century, D'Arcy Thompson wrote a 
seminal book about the subject of form called simply enough, On 
Growth and Form. For way too long, I have been enchanted by his 
major theme that platonic ideals - as 'form'  - tend to repeat on 
different geometric scales, up and down. This suggests that there 
is a two-way mirrored self-symmetry of the kind made famous by 
Fractal images, and which seems to be involved in nature's way of 
generating form.


Then there is string theory (Fred's favorite subject) ... where 
the strings are best visualized as loops (the snake eating his 
tail) which have the  suspected appearance of a stack of three 
rings, the center being  counter-spin to the other two - but with 
an aligned axis of the  three. It is also possible to have an 
alternative kind of stack  of three rings where the center ring 
is orthogonal to the other  two - that is almost the Borromean 
model, which is not exactly the three-interlocking-ring model.


The Olympics icon has each ring  tilted and potentially 
orthogonal, like links in a chain... but
there is an alternative kind stack but with interlocking 
wave-functions. The so-called Borromean Ring is visually this 
different kind of triad interlocking ring-form - which commonly 
adorned Viking art and Renaissance architecture. This structure 
has the property that no two rings are interlocking, therefore if 
any one of the rings is removed, then all three separate. That 
would indicate temporary stability...


It gets curiouser and curiouser

Jones







Re: Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-16 Thread Grimer
At 09:10 am 16/03/2006 -0800, Jones wrote:

 This ring means that three objects are entangled.  If you pick up 
 any one of them, the other two
 will follow. However, if you cut one of them off, the other two 
 will fall apart, Chin said.

 There is something magic about this number of three.


 Ha! In a number of past posts I have tried to wax poetic on the 
 subject of triad Form, and in particular the so-called Borromean 
 structures (three interlocking rings) which are
 fascinating in the context of nuclear theory.

 http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20040529/fob7.asp

 ... but I was not aware of the so-called Efimov structure Are 
 they related?

 you bet your fur they are, mother nature.


Mmm... Interesting stuff Jones. And now that I have looked up
Borremean rings on google images I can proudly say that this 
is one of your passions that I really understand. I was trying
to visualize it with three proper rings and I couldn't. I now
see why. It's cos they are not proper rings at all.   Still,
to be fair you did first call them structures.   8-)


  ...The so-called Borromean Ring is visually this 
 different kind of triad interlocking ring-form - which commonly 
 adorned Viking art and Renaissance architecture. This structure 
 has the property that no two rings are interlocking, therefore if 
 any one of the rings is removed, then all three separate. That 
 would indicate temporary stability...

 It gets curiouser and curiouser
  
   Cried Alice (she was so much surprised, that for
   the moment she quite forgot how to speak good 
   English). “Now I’m opening out like the largest 
   telescope that ever was!...

http://www.ruthannzaroff.com/wonderland/curiouser.htm





Efimov state - key to multi-nuclear LENR?

2006-03-15 Thread Horace Heffner

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060315174950.htm

This ring means that three objects are entangled. If you pick up any  
one of them, the other two will follow. However, if you cut one of  
them off, the other two will fall apart, Chin said. There is  
something magic about this number of three.


If you can create this kind of state out of any other type of  
particle, it'll have exactly the same behavior, Chin said.


This is a cryogenic state, but one has to wonder about the  
possibility of a similar state existing in a lattice for a sufficient  
time to produce multi-nuclear LENR.


Horace Heffner