Re: [Vo]:Interesting next 12 months
LENR does not violate neither energy nor momentum. 2011/11/21 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com It should be an interesting next 12 months with at least 2 companies selling LENR systems. I also note that both the EmDrive (Chinese claim to have replicated) and the QDrive reactionless space drives apparently work and will cause a few cracks in the set in concrete Laws. One wonders if the Dean Drive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Dean_drivehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_drivealso worked but got buried like LENR because it COULDN'T work as it violated the Conservation of Momentum and we lost 50 years of reactionless drive development. I do remember seeing the Dean Drive on Dave Garroway's Today Show (in 1958 according to Google) as it hung vertical from a chain and pulled a load toward it. Yes I do understand stiction. Probably time to put on my flame proof suit. ;) -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Interesting next 12 months
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: It should be an interesting next 12 months with at least 2 companies selling LENR systems. It will only become very interesting when someone can identify at least **one** client who actually received a machine, tested it properly and can prove it works.
Re: [Vo]:Interesting next 12 months
Re: Dean DriveJim Cox formerly of TRW Space Park has devoted his entire life to the Dean Drive. Seems to work..but...mechanically difficult. Jim now is retired in lives in Sparks NV bootstrap...@yahoo.com The Interial Drive by Professor Alfio DiBella of the University of Bologna works in according to a Mobius Path called Vivendi Window Patent 3404854 Ron Kita Doylestown PA Ad Astra On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: It should be an interesting next 12 months with at least 2 companies selling LENR systems. I also note that both the EmDrive (Chinese claim to have replicated) and the QDrive reactionless space drives apparently work and will cause a few cracks in the set in concrete Laws. One wonders if the Dean Drive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Dean_drivehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_drivealso worked but got buried like LENR because it COULDN'T work as it violated the Conservation of Momentum and we lost 50 years of reactionless drive development. I do remember seeing the Dean Drive on Dave Garroway's Today Show (in 1958 according to Google) as it hung vertical from a chain and pulled a load toward it. Yes I do understand stiction. Probably time to put on my flame proof suit. ;)
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Jim Cox videos of Dean Drive replication: www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtBvzCjpPcE Must admit I did build a unit but it never worked. AG On 11/22/2011 2:46 AM, Ron Kita wrote: Re: Dean DriveJim Cox formerly of TRW Space Park has devoted his entire life to the Dean Drive. Seems to work..but...mechanically difficult. Jim now is retired in lives in Sparks NV bootstrap...@yahoo.com mailto:bootstrap...@yahoo.com The Interial Drive by Professor Alfio DiBella of the University of Bologna works in according to a Mobius Path called Vivendi Window Patent 3404854 Ron Kita Doylestown PA Ad Astra On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: It should be an interesting next 12 months with at least 2 companies selling LENR systems. I also note that both the EmDrive (Chinese claim to have replicated) and the QDrive reactionless space drives apparently work and will cause a few cracks in the set in concrete Laws. One wonders if the Dean Drive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_drive also worked but got buried like LENR because it COULDN'T work as it violated the Conservation of Momentum and we lost 50 years of reactionless drive development. I do remember seeing the Dean Drive on Dave Garroway's Today Show (in 1958 according to Google) as it hung vertical from a chain and pulled a load toward it. Yes I do understand stiction. Probably time to put on my flame proof suit. ;)
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On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: Jim Cox videos of Dean Drive replication: www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtBvzCjpPcE Must admit I did build a unit but it never worked. Very unconvincing. If it's not simply sleight of hand, it seems to be fooling mechanical scales because they have a poor frequency response. Probably analogous to trying to read a complex AC waveform on a cheap digital voltmeter -- a lot of so-called free energy of the bargain basement done-in-my-garage variety relies on that. It'd be interesting to see what the device does when connected to a modern fast responding strain gauge and a nice wide band integrating oscilloscope.
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Must say that for once we agree that the test protocol needs significant improvement. However both the EmDrive and the QDrive seem to work. AG On 11/22/2011 3:22 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: Jim Cox videos of Dean Drive replication: www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtBvzCjpPcE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtBvzCjpPcE Must admit I did build a unit but it never worked. Very unconvincing. If it's not simply sleight of hand, it seems to be fooling mechanical scales because they have a poor frequency response. Probably analogous to trying to read a complex AC waveform on a cheap digital voltmeter -- a lot of so-called free energy of the bargain basement done-in-my-garage variety relies on that. It'd be interesting to see what the device does when connected to a modern fast responding strain gauge and a nice wide band integrating oscilloscope.
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For inquiring minds: Dean Drive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_drive http://www.jerrypournelle.com/science/dean.html EmDrive: http://emdrive.com/ QDrive: http://www.cannae.com/ AG On 11/22/2011 2:34 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: LENR does not violate neither energy nor momentum. 2011/11/21 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com It should be an interesting next 12 months with at least 2 companies selling LENR systems. I also note that both the EmDrive (Chinese claim to have replicated) and the QDrive reactionless space drives apparently work and will cause a few cracks in the set in concrete Laws. One wonders if the Dean Drive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_drive also worked but got buried like LENR because it COULDN'T work as it violated the Conservation of Momentum and we lost 50 years of reactionless drive development. I do remember seeing the Dean Drive on Dave Garroway's Today Show (in 1958 according to Google) as it hung vertical from a chain and pulled a load toward it. Yes I do understand stiction. Probably time to put on my flame proof suit. ;) -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com
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Again we agree. As we seem to be on a roll, care to make it a hat trick? AG On 11/22/2011 2:45 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: It should be an interesting next 12 months with at least 2 companies selling LENR systems. It will only become very interesting when someone can identify at least **one** client who actually received a machine, tested it properly and can prove it works.
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Yeah, I don't think anyone has built a successful Dean Drive. However, I believe the propulsion system patent granted to Eric R. Laithwaite posthumously has a chance: http://ip.com/patent/US5860317 T
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I did follow up on what G. Harry Stine observed in a long steel rod: http://www.rexresearch.com/dean/stine.htm Stine was only one of a few that ever saw the Dean Drive in the flesh. I have searched for but never found a video of the Dean Drive demo on the Dave Garroway Today Show. I'm sure there is a video tape somewhere??? Stine said: ...I saw the Dean Drive work, and I think I know how and why it worked...If it is impossible, what pushed against my hand?... AG On 11/22/2011 3:39 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: Yeah, I don't think anyone has built a successful Dean Drive. However, I believe the propulsion system patent granted to Eric R. Laithwaite posthumously has a chance: http://ip.com/patent/US5860317 T
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AG, I took a quick look at the EmDrive and QDrive information and must say that it would take a lot more effort to have any idea of how they work. One question which I would like to have answered is as follows: Do either of these devices emit electromagnetic radiation in a direction that is opposite to the forward thrust? In my humble way of thinking, momentum is carried away with radio waves just as it would be if actual material were expelled. If these devices emit radio waves, then they do not excite me. Dave -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 12:06 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting next 12 months For inquiring minds: Dean Drive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_drive ttp://www.jerrypournelle.com/science/dean.html mDrive: http://emdrive.com/ Drive: http://www.cannae.com/ AG n 11/22/2011 2:34 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: LENR does not violate neither energy nor momentum. 2011/11/21 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com It should be an interesting next 12 months with at least 2 companies selling LENR systems. I also note that both the EmDrive (Chinese claim to have replicated) and the QDrive reactionless space drives apparently work and will cause a few cracks in the set in concrete Laws. One wonders if the Dean Drive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_drive also worked but got buried like LENR because it COULDN'T work as it violated the Conservation of Momentum and we lost 50 years of reactionless drive development. I do remember seeing the Dean Drive on Dave Garroway's Today Show (in 1958 according to Google) as it hung vertical from a chain and pulled a load toward it. Yes I do understand stiction. Probably time to put on my flame proof suit. ;) -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com
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I'm no expert here but it is claimed there is no emitted em radiation from either drive. The EmDrive site has a video of the drive in action, a chart of input power versus thrust developed and a development contract with a US aerospace company that required UK gov approval. It appears simpler to build than the QDrive. AG On 11/22/2011 5:27 AM, David Roberson wrote: AG, I took a quick look at the EmDrive and QDrive information and must say that it would take a lot more effort to have any idea of how they work. One question which I would like to have answered is as follows: Do either of these devices emit electromagnetic radiation in a direction that is opposite to the forward thrust? In my humble way of thinking, momentum is carried away with radio waves just as it would be if actual material were expelled. If these devices emit radio waves, then they do not excite me. Dave -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 12:06 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting next 12 months For inquiring minds: Dean Drive:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_drive http://www.jerrypournelle.com/science/dean.html EmDrive:http://emdrive.com/ QDrive:http://www.cannae.com/ AG On 11/22/2011 2:34 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: LENR does not violate neither energy nor momentum. 2011/11/21 Aussie Guy E-Cataussieguy.e...@gmail.com mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com? It should be an interesting next 12 months with at least 2 companies selling LENR systems. I also note that both the EmDrive (Chinese claim to have replicated) and the QDrive reactionless space drives apparently work and will cause a few cracks in the set in concrete Laws. One wonders if the Dean Drive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_drive also worked but got buried like LENR because it COULDN'T work as it violated the Conservation of Momentum and we lost 50 years of reactionless drive development. I do remember seeing the Dean Drive on Dave Garroway's Today Show (in 1958 according to Google) as it hung vertical from a chain and pulled a load toward it. Yes I do understand stiction. Probably time to put on my flame proof suit. ;) -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com?
