Re: [Vo]:Steorn will demonstrate the Orbo in ~ a few days
From Paul Lowrance: OrionWorks wrote: >> From Paul: > >> People, including a lot of physicists at Steorn forum are stating the >> London >> Orbo fiasco has all the appearance of a deliberate failure attempt. >> Speaking >> from personal experience, one good thing about such failures is that >> it doubles >> the drive to succeed in legitimate researchers. >> >> >> Regards, >> Paul Lowrance > > A "...deliberate failure attempt."??? > > Yeah, that's the ticket. It must be...another conspiracy! Well, I have not read anyone stating it "must be" anything. Hopefully this fiasco will increase the drive in a lot of legitimate researchers to succeed. I hope so as well. It may be naive of me to hope so, but I still suspect it's only a matter of time. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com
Re: [Vo]:Steorn will demonstrate the Orbo in ~ a few days
OrionWorks wrote: From Paul: People, including a lot of physicists at Steorn forum are stating the London Orbo fiasco has all the appearance of a deliberate failure attempt. Speaking from personal experience, one good thing about such failures is that it doubles the drive to succeed in legitimate researchers. Regards, Paul Lowrance A "...deliberate failure attempt."??? Yeah, that's the ticket. It must be...another conspiracy! Well, I have not read anyone stating it "must be" anything. Hopefully this fiasco will increase the drive in a lot of legitimate researchers to succeed.
Re: [Vo]:Steorn will demonstrate the Orbo in ~ a few days
From Paul: People, including a lot of physicists at Steorn forum are stating the London Orbo fiasco has all the appearance of a deliberate failure attempt. Speaking from personal experience, one good thing about such failures is that it doubles the drive to succeed in legitimate researchers. Regards, Paul Lowrance A "...deliberate failure attempt."??? Yeah, that's the ticket. It must be...another conspiracy! I've also heard rationalizations from the skeptic's corner that the ORBO incident was all just a ploy by STEORN to drum up hype, to show future customers what a great job the company can do in advertising anything - doesn't matter if the hype is over real product or not. What I personally find ironic about these conclusions hatched from the skeptic's corner is that they are as grounded in verifiable reality as countless conspiratorial conclusions drawn up a number of true believers in UFO groups...not that I'm suggesting notin-intrestin might be going on in the skies. I'm getting the impression that it may be weeks (more likely months) before STEORN feels confident enough to try another demo. Perhaps the next time around, and as Jed has suggested, they will actually have a back-up plan in place as well. Favorite quote of the day: "Patience grasshopper." Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com
Re: [Vo]:Steorn will demonstrate the Orbo in ~ a few days
People, including a lot of physicists at Steorn forum are stating the London Orbo fiasco has all the appearance of a deliberate failure attempt. Speaking from personal experience, one good thing about such failures is that it doubles the drive to succeed in legitimate researchers. Regards, Paul Lowrance Terry Blanton wrote: freeenergytracker.blogspot.com Terry On 7/5/07, OrionWorks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From Terry: > It looks like the Perendev Motor with magnets in repulsion. In > repulsion, the magnetic domains are eventually misaligned and the > magic stops. Magmos will only work with maggies in attraction where > domain alignment is enforced. > > Terry > Wish I could get a decent view of the critter. If, as you claim, it appears to be operating in repulsion mode that suggests to me that the so-called ORBO effect would work even better in attractive mode. IMO, there is every reason to speculate that the effect would work in either mode. It's just more structurally challenging to construct in attractive mode, which may be the reason why the prototype isn't. Apparently it was only meant to run for about a week.
Re: [Vo]:Steorn will demonstrate the Orbo in ~ a few days
Paul Lowrance wrote: > I found the following statement by Sean very interesting: > > http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news.nv?storyid=single8723 > Quote, "Steorn say that the intense heat should not affect future applications of the Orbo technology as this is just a prototype. ***The prototype was set up in the museum on Sunday and as of Tuesday night, McCarthy said it was functioning perfectly until yesterday when it froze suddenly.***" > > So the London Orbo was running just perfectly until it froze July 4th. I would interpret Seans statement as Orbo ran perfectly from Sunday till July 4th. Perhaps the key words are "... and as of Tuesday night, McCarthy said it was functioning perfectly until ..." Paul Lowrance
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I agree. From what we can see so far the London Orbo resembles the Perendev Motor. Also there's a striking resemblance to my sample mechanical motor, which I drew for the soul purpose of demonstrating my theory --> Scroll down to the black highlighted text, "Mechanical motor version" http://emwiki.info Regards, Paul Lowrance Terry Blanton wrote: It looks like the Perendev Motor with magnets in repulsion. In repulsion, the magnetic domains are eventually misaligned and the magic stops. Magmos will only work with maggies in attraction where domain alignment is enforced. Terry On 7/5/07, OrionWorks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From Paul Lowrance: > I found the following statement by Sean very interesting: > > http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news.nv?storyid=single8723 > Quote, "Steorn say that the intense heat should not affect future applications > of the Orbo technology as this is just a prototype. ***The prototype was set up > in the museum on Sunday and as of Tuesday night, McCarthy said it was > functioning perfectly until yesterday when it froze suddenly.***" > > So the London Orbo was running just perfectly until it froze July 4th. > > > Paul Lowrance Least we forget, it's Friday. And that of course means... Brace for another fine installment from the honorable Dr. Park. The trials and tribulations of STEORN's recent ORBO demo no-show at the Kinetica Museum is sure to be discussed in painful detail, with a concluding nod of assurance that this incident is just another confirmation that the sacred LoT have once again been upheld. Park's comments may soon be followed by (once assured that it really is safe to come out of hiding) a "me too" installment from the Amazing RANDI. After all if the APA has given RANDI one of its most prestigious awards for critical thinking, he had better live up to his reputation and pontificate some additional critical comments. Perhaps the APA is also hoping the Amazing RANDI will make the damned critter disappear down a rabbit hole as well - permanently. Ah, well, perhaps it's STEORN's LoT ...in life - pun intended. Of course I still hope STEORN may soon be able to pull their misplaced rabbit out of the hat, though perhaps a tad more awkwardly than planned. Just not on cue. The creature is probably off somewhere doing what it is that critters of that kind are inclined to do, making more orbos. All humor set aside for the moment: In the recently posted article STORN appears to claim it's a bearing problem - due to the unexpected intense heat from the lamps. I hope they are right, that it's not just a smokescreen. It would mean the magnets themselves were not affected by the heat. That was my worst fear. Fingers still crossed. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com
Re: [Vo]:Steorn will demonstrate the Orbo in ~ a few days
freeenergytracker.blogspot.com Terry On 7/5/07, OrionWorks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From Terry: > It looks like the Perendev Motor with magnets in repulsion. In > repulsion, the magnetic domains are eventually misaligned and the > magic stops. Magmos will only work with maggies in attraction where > domain alignment is enforced. > > Terry > Wish I could get a decent view of the critter. If, as you claim, it appears to be operating in repulsion mode that suggests to me that the so-called ORBO effect would work even better in attractive mode. IMO, there is every reason to speculate that the effect would work in either mode. It's just more structurally challenging to construct in attractive mode, which may be the reason why the prototype isn't. Apparently it was only meant to run for about a week. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com
Re: [Vo]:Steorn will demonstrate the Orbo in ~ a few days
From Terry: It looks like the Perendev Motor with magnets in repulsion. In repulsion, the magnetic domains are eventually misaligned and the magic stops. Magmos will only work with maggies in attraction where domain alignment is enforced. Terry Wish I could get a decent view of the critter. If, as you claim, it appears to be operating in repulsion mode that suggests to me that the so-called ORBO effect would work even better in attractive mode. IMO, there is every reason to speculate that the effect would work in either mode. It's just more structurally challenging to construct in attractive mode, which may be the reason why the prototype isn't. Apparently it was only meant to run for about a week. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com
Re: [Vo]:Steorn will demonstrate the Orbo in ~ a few days
It looks like the Perendev Motor with magnets in repulsion. In repulsion, the magnetic domains are eventually misaligned and the magic stops. Magmos will only work with maggies in attraction where domain alignment is enforced. Terry On 7/5/07, OrionWorks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From Paul Lowrance: > I found the following statement by Sean very interesting: > > http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news.nv?storyid=single8723 > Quote, "Steorn say that the intense heat should not affect future applications > of the Orbo technology as this is just a prototype. ***The prototype was set up > in the museum on Sunday and as of Tuesday night, McCarthy said it was > functioning perfectly until yesterday when it froze suddenly.***" > > So the London Orbo was running just perfectly until it froze July 4th. > > > Paul Lowrance Least we forget, it's Friday. And that of course means... Brace for another fine installment from the honorable Dr. Park. The trials and tribulations of STEORN's recent ORBO demo no-show at the Kinetica Museum is sure to be discussed in painful detail, with a concluding nod of assurance that this incident is just another confirmation that the sacred LoT have once again been upheld. Park's comments may soon be followed by (once assured that it really is safe to come out of hiding) a "me too" installment from the Amazing RANDI. After all if the APA has given RANDI one of its most prestigious awards for critical thinking, he had better live up to his reputation and pontificate some additional critical comments. Perhaps the APA is also hoping the Amazing RANDI will make the damned critter disappear down a rabbit hole as well - permanently. Ah, well, perhaps it's STEORN's LoT ...in life - pun intended. Of course I still hope STEORN may soon be able to pull their misplaced rabbit out of the hat, though perhaps a tad more awkwardly than planned. Just not on cue. The creature is probably off somewhere doing what it is that critters of that kind are inclined to do, making more orbos. All humor set aside for the moment: In the recently posted article STORN appears to claim it's a bearing problem - due to the unexpected intense heat from the lamps. I hope they are right, that it's not just a smokescreen. It would mean the magnets themselves were not affected by the heat. That was my worst fear. Fingers still crossed. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com
Re: [Vo]:Steorn will demonstrate the Orbo in ~ a few days
From Paul Lowrance: I found the following statement by Sean very interesting: http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news.nv?storyid=single8723 Quote, "Steorn say that the intense heat should not affect future applications of the Orbo technology as this is just a prototype. ***The prototype was set up in the museum on Sunday and as of Tuesday night, McCarthy said it was functioning perfectly until yesterday when it froze suddenly.***" So the London Orbo was running just perfectly until it froze July 4th. Paul Lowrance Least we forget, it's Friday. And that of course means... Brace for another fine installment from the honorable Dr. Park. The trials and tribulations of STEORN's recent ORBO demo no-show at the Kinetica Museum is sure to be discussed in painful detail, with a concluding nod of assurance that this incident is just another confirmation that the sacred LoT have once again been upheld. Park's comments may soon be followed by (once assured that it really is safe to come out of hiding) a "me too" installment from the Amazing RANDI. After all if the APA has given RANDI one of its most prestigious awards for critical thinking, he had better live up to his reputation and pontificate some additional critical comments. Perhaps the APA is also hoping the Amazing RANDI will make the damned critter disappear down a rabbit hole as well - permanently. Ah, well, perhaps it's STEORN's LoT ...in life - pun intended. Of course I still hope STEORN may soon be able to pull their misplaced rabbit out of the hat, though perhaps a tad more awkwardly than planned. Just not on cue. The creature is probably off somewhere doing what it is that critters of that kind are inclined to do, making more orbos. All humor set aside for the moment: In the recently posted article STORN appears to claim it's a bearing problem - due to the unexpected intense heat from the lamps. I hope they are right, that it's not just a smokescreen. It would mean the magnets themselves were not affected by the heat. That was my worst fear. Fingers still crossed. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com
Re: [Vo]:Steorn will demonstrate the Orbo in ~ a few days
I found the following statement by Sean very interesting: http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news.nv?storyid=single8723 Quote, "Steorn say that the intense heat should not affect future applications of the Orbo technology as this is just a prototype. ***The prototype was set up in the museum on Sunday and as of Tuesday night, McCarthy said it was functioning perfectly until yesterday when it froze suddenly.***" So the London Orbo was running just perfectly until it froze July 4th. Paul Lowrance Jed Rothwell wrote: Stiffler Scientific wrote: What you said makes sense, except; Unless the device is so costly and complex that you can only afford 'one' or have only managed to get 'one' to work, I would think it prudent that you have another in the wings to be rushed in for just this type of problem. That is what I had in mind when I described Charlie and the burning power supplies. Always pack a spare! "Charlie" in this case is honors of the "two Charlies" who accompanied the Wright brothers on some of their most crucial tests and public demonstrations, Charles Taylor and Charles Furnas. The Wrights experienced dozens of disastrous public demonstrations, ranging from the time the airplane did not take off in front of reporters (Dayton, OH, 1904) to the time the airplane crashed and killed the passenger (the official U.S. Army tests, Washington DC, 1908). They had dozens of other crashes and accidents. (By the way, the two Charlies were never to blame as far as I know.) If they had staked their success on a single demonstration they would have failed. On the other hand, it took only two successful demonstrations to make them the most famous people on earth in 1908. If the device is so expensive or complex and borders this close to working or not working then the public demo in my mind is only to get new money to hold off the old providers (VC's) and get new cash to keep everyone quiet for a bit longer. I disagree. Marginally functional technology can be successfully demonstrated, but you have take the right approach and say the right things, to keep the stakes low in the event of a failure. Edison, the Wrights and many others screwed up demonstrations. Edison's early incandescent lights exploded and set fire to his parlor during a demonstration to investors. His wife, who was used to such things, put out the fire while redirecting their attention to tea and snacks. Unless I have my history wrong, old Henry Ford did not present a lot highly complex auto before he sold a working one. Think is was simple at the start and grew in complexity. Actually, Ford is a counter-example. He started by building a racing car, which was a complicated and finicky thing, and he won an important race. Auto racing was in its infancy back then, so no record lasted for long, but he leveraged his short-lived fame to get investors to put money into his plans for a simpler passenger vehicle. I suppose if he had lost that race, he might have won the next one. But it was still a daring, all-or-nothing venture. There were not many races back then, and the drivers were often killed or wounded. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Steorn will demonstrate the Orbo in ~ a few days
Stiffler Scientific wrote: What you said makes sense, except; Unless the device is so costly and complex that you can only afford 'one' or have only managed to get 'one' to work, I would think it prudent that you have another in the wings to be rushed in for just this type of problem. That is what I had in mind when I described Charlie and the burning power supplies. Always pack a spare! "Charlie" in this case is honors of the "two Charlies" who accompanied the Wright brothers on some of their most crucial tests and public demonstrations, Charles Taylor and Charles Furnas. The Wrights experienced dozens of disastrous public demonstrations, ranging from the time the airplane did not take off in front of reporters (Dayton, OH, 1904) to the time the airplane crashed and killed the passenger (the official U.S. Army tests, Washington DC, 1908). They had dozens of other crashes and accidents. (By the way, the two Charlies were never to blame as far as I know.) If they had staked their success on a single demonstration they would have failed. On the other hand, it took only two successful demonstrations to make them the most famous people on earth in 1908. If the device is so expensive or complex and borders this close to working or not working then the public demo in my mind is only to get new money to hold off the old providers (VC's) and get new cash to keep everyone quiet for a bit longer. I disagree. Marginally functional technology can be successfully demonstrated, but you have take the right approach and say the right things, to keep the stakes low in the event of a failure. Edison, the Wrights and many others screwed up demonstrations. Edison's early incandescent lights exploded and set fire to his parlor during a demonstration to investors. His wife, who was used to such things, put out the fire while redirecting their attention to tea and snacks. Unless I have my history wrong, old Henry Ford did not present a lot highly complex auto before he sold a working one. Think is was simple at the start and grew in complexity. Actually, Ford is a counter-example. He started by building a racing car, which was a complicated and finicky thing, and he won an important race. Auto racing was in its infancy back then, so no record lasted for long, but he leveraged his short-lived fame to get investors to put money into his plans for a simpler passenger vehicle. I suppose if he had lost that race, he might have won the next one. But it was still a daring, all-or-nothing venture. There were not many races back then, and the drivers were often killed or wounded. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Steorn will demonstrate the Orbo in ~ a few days
Jed; What you said makes sense, except; Unless the device is so costly and complex that you can only afford 'one' or have only managed to get 'one' to work, I would think it prudent that you have another in the wings to be rushed in for just this type of problem. If the device is so expensive or complex and borders this close to working or not working then the public demo in my mind is only to get new money to hold off the old providers (VC's) and get new cash to keep everyone quiet for a bit longer. Unless I have my history wrong, old Henry Ford did not present a lot highly complex auto before he sold a working one. Think is was simple at the start and grew in complexity. Oh well, wish them luck, but no sympathy from me, been there done that and still have egg on the face that shows up now and then. Not to sure they really know what they have yet. -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:49 AM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Steorn will demonstrate the Orbo in ~ a few days Esa Ruoho quoted Sean McCarthy, chief executive of Steorn: >"Obviously Steorn and Sean McCarthy would never recover if there is >a negative result here. But we don't see that as even an outside >possibility . . ." That is the WORST POSSIBLE THING to say before a demonstration!!! As I pointed out the other day, and Steven Johnson reiterated, you should NEVER stake your credibility on a single demonstration. Before you begin, you tell the audience something along these lines: "Remember folks, this is an experimental prototype, and it may not work. It worked back in the lab, and we tested it an hour ago before the trade show opened, so we are pretty confident it will work now, but you never can tell . . ." Then -- as I said before -- after you extinguish the fire in the power supplies, you put on your best smile, keep your cool and say: "Okay, let's turn to the PowerPoint slides and this nifty video we made of a successful demonstration last week. We'll come back to this after Charlie here installs new power supplies . . ." [You chuckle and give Charlie an attaboy pat on the shoulder, even though you would like to kick him for not checking the power supplies.] The fate of an experiment, a scientific claim, or a company should never ride on a single make-or-break demonstration. It should always be spread out over hundreds of demonstrations, performed over many months with many different audiences. Expectations must be kept in check, and the tone of the demonstration must be low key, and matter of fact. When it fails, you show the audience that you can take that in stride, and you know how to fix the problem. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Steorn will demonstrate the Orbo in ~ a few days
Esa Ruoho quoted Sean McCarthy, chief executive of Steorn: "Obviously Steorn and Sean McCarthy would never recover if there is a negative result here. But we don't see that as even an outside possibility . . ." That is the WORST POSSIBLE THING to say before a demonstration!!! As I pointed out the other day, and Steven Johnson reiterated, you should NEVER stake your credibility on a single demonstration. Before you begin, you tell the audience something along these lines: "Remember folks, this is an experimental prototype, and it may not work. It worked back in the lab, and we tested it an hour ago before the trade show opened, so we are pretty confident it will work now, but you never can tell . . ." Then -- as I said before -- after you extinguish the fire in the power supplies, you put on your best smile, keep your cool and say: "Okay, let's turn to the PowerPoint slides and this nifty video we made of a successful demonstration last week. We'll come back to this after Charlie here installs new power supplies . . ." [You chuckle and give Charlie an attaboy pat on the shoulder, even though you would like to kick him for not checking the power supplies.] The fate of an experiment, a scientific claim, or a company should never ride on a single make-or-break demonstration. It should always be spread out over hundreds of demonstrations, performed over many months with many different audiences. Expectations must be kept in check, and the tone of the demonstration must be low key, and matter of fact. When it fails, you show the audience that you can take that in stride, and you know how to fix the problem. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Steorn will demonstrate the Orbo in ~ a few days
As claimed out at the Kinetica Museum web site: [KINETICA OPENING DELAYED: Due to some technical difficulties caused by the intense heat from camera lighting, Steorn's demonstration of its 'Orbo' free energy technology has been slightly delayed. As a consequence, Kinetica Museum will not be open to the public today (5th July). A technical assessment is currently underway and information will be posted on the websites of Steorn and Kinetica as soon as it becomes available. We apologise for this delay and appreciate your patience.] * * * * This is exactly the kind of unexpected mishap of which many who have graduated from the SoHK (School of Hard Knocks) had feared would happen. Just as Jed had recently commented, it is not at all unusual for unexpected glitches to suddenly rear their ugly heads when publicly debuting a brand new untested product. Well... "untested" is a matter of interpretation since one presumes ORBO was successfully tested under laboratory conditions. "Well...Jeez! It worked splendidly in the lab" Murphy's Law is never more in full swing, such as at these kinds of unforgiving public debuts. It's an embarrassing fact of life. "Intense heat from camera lighting" suggests, at least to me, that the permanent magnets overheated and permanently demagnetized. This does not bode well for STEORN. It suggests the prototype is irreparably broken as-is, that essential parts would need to be replaced quickly before the public becomes too jaded. It suggests their much anticipated ORBO technology may not be as robust as hoped. It hints of the possibility that the entire ORBO technology line may be in danger of suffering the same fate. This in itself would not necessarily be a complete showstopper. It just means the technology is not as robust as one wished. It means special operating conditions (i.e. limited temperature parameters) will need to be maintained, which in itself is not at all that unusual. It's also not a leap of faith to theorize that one could substitute other permanent magnet alloys that are likely to handle intense heat more graciously. However, other permanent magnet alloys & their inherent magnetic properties might make them more difficult to harness the ORBO effect, whatever that might be. STEORN and the Kinetica Museum claim a temporary delay, that the doors will open Julyl 6. Hopefully, STEORN has a few spare permanent magnets of the right size and shape on hand to replace the demagnetized ones. If those dang magnets have overheated and as such permanently demagnetized it may be unrealistic to assume the doors will open to the public by July 6. Even if they have spare PMs in inventory and the entire STEORN crew pulls an all-nighter the prospect of making sure everything is working properly by tomorrow is a tall, TALL order. Final Thoughts: I suspect every ORBO employee (and especially the employer) is acutely aware of the fact that their jobs are on the line, literally. That could be a powerful incentive to fix the problem ASAP. We shall see. Good luck STEORN. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com
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And Microsoft Internet Exploder crashes. Tested it on versions 6 and 5. Paul Lowrance wrote: Camera 4 shows nothing but Windows media with flag swirling around on the latest version of Firefox. Terry Blanton wrote: It looks like a ferris wheel on the left and it is moving. Slowly. Terry
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Camera 4 shows nothing but Windows media with flag swirling around on the latest version of Firefox. Terry Blanton wrote: It looks like a ferris wheel on the left and it is moving. Slowly. Terry On 7/4/07, Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Now it give an image of some type of scaffolding and an audio ad for astream.com, the vid host. Terry On 7/4/07, Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The others give an error page. Only four has a blank image. > > Terry > > On 7/4/07, Paul Lowrance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Terry Blanton wrote: > > > http://www.steorn.com/orbo/demo/demo.html > > > > > > One camera is online. Nothing to see yet. > > > > > > Would that be #4? Nothing happens when I click on #4. How long does it take > > after clicking on it? > > > > >
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It looks like a ferris wheel on the left and it is moving. Slowly. Terry On 7/4/07, Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Now it give an image of some type of scaffolding and an audio ad for astream.com, the vid host. Terry On 7/4/07, Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The others give an error page. Only four has a blank image. > > Terry > > On 7/4/07, Paul Lowrance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Terry Blanton wrote: > > > http://www.steorn.com/orbo/demo/demo.html > > > > > > One camera is online. Nothing to see yet. > > > > > > Would that be #4? Nothing happens when I click on #4. How long does it take > > after clicking on it? > > > > >
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Now it give an image of some type of scaffolding and an audio ad for astream.com, the vid host. Terry On 7/4/07, Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The others give an error page. Only four has a blank image. Terry On 7/4/07, Paul Lowrance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Terry Blanton wrote: > > http://www.steorn.com/orbo/demo/demo.html > > > > One camera is online. Nothing to see yet. > > > Would that be #4? Nothing happens when I click on #4. How long does it take > after clicking on it? > >
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The others give an error page. Only four has a blank image. Terry On 7/4/07, Paul Lowrance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Terry Blanton wrote: > http://www.steorn.com/orbo/demo/demo.html > > One camera is online. Nothing to see yet. Would that be #4? Nothing happens when I click on #4. How long does it take after clicking on it?
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Terry Blanton wrote: http://www.steorn.com/orbo/demo/demo.html One camera is online. Nothing to see yet. Would that be #4? Nothing happens when I click on #4. How long does it take after clicking on it?
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http://www.steorn.com/orbo/demo/demo.html One camera is online. Nothing to see yet. Terry On 7/4/07, Paul Lowrance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, today, July 4th, could turn out to be the declared day humanity was freed from oil!! Regards, Paul Lowrance Terry Blanton wrote: > LOL! > > Well, I'll check frequently (as I'm sure we will all do). > > Meanwhile, is it too early to declare Oil Independence Day? > > http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=b9r_Xq1ZCAw > > Terry > > On 7/4/07, Paul Lowrance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> There appears (perhaps) to be a bit of conflicting information. >> Steorns home >> page says "View the online demonstration here at 6pm (Eastern Time)." >> While >> Kinetica Museum says "starts July 5th, details revealed 6pm tonight." >> Kinetica >> Museum is in London. >> >> >> >> Terry Blanton wrote: >> > 6 pm ZULU according to the press release. >> > >> > Terry >> > >> > >> > On 7/4/07, Paul Lowrance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news.nv?storyid=single8713 >> >> >> >> The above article says the Steorn Orbo will be viewable live on the >> >> Internet >> >> from 6pm this evening at >> >> http://www.steorn.com/orbo/demo >> >> >> >> with four webcams focused on the machine 24 hours a day. >> >> >> >> The question is, which time zone? >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Paul Lowrance >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Esa Ruoho wrote: >> >> > http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0704/breaking46.htm >> >> > 'Free' energy technology goes on display (ireland.com) >> >> > >> >> > Sean McCarthy, chief executive of Steorn, said: "What we are showing >> >> > basically is a very simplified version of the technology. It's >> >> virtually >> >> > all-clear plastic and magnets so we are demonstrating obviously that >> >> there >> >> > is no battery hidden and so on. What the system will be doing is >> >> literally >> >> > lifting a weight, demonstrating work being done for free." >> >> > >> >> > "Obviously Steorn and Sean McCarthy would never recover if there >> is a >> >> > negative result here. But we don't see that as even an outside >> >> > possibility," >> >> > he said. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > more urls at http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/steorn/ >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On 04/07/07, Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> The streaming video from Kinetica is said to start at 6 pm GMT >> today. >> >> >> That would mean we should see it here at 1 pm EDT. >> >> >> >> >> >> No URL for the vid yet. >> >> >> >> >> >> Terry >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >
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Ah, here's the actual Steorn web address: http://www.steorn.com/orbo/demo/demo.html Tic ... Toc ... Paul Lowrance Terry Blanton wrote: Just posted on their main page: "View the online demonstration here at 6pm (Eastern Time)." Which would be 11:00 pm London time. Terry On 7/4/07, Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 6 pm ZULU according to the press release. Terry On 7/4/07, Paul Lowrance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news.nv?storyid=single8713 > > The above article says the Steorn Orbo will be viewable live on the Internet > from 6pm this evening at > http://www.steorn.com/orbo/demo > > with four webcams focused on the machine 24 hours a day. > > The question is, which time zone? > > > Regards, > Paul Lowrance > > > > > Esa Ruoho wrote: > > http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0704/breaking46.htm > > 'Free' energy technology goes on display (ireland.com) > > > > Sean McCarthy, chief executive of Steorn, said: "What we are showing > > basically is a very simplified version of the technology. It's virtually > > all-clear plastic and magnets so we are demonstrating obviously that there > > is no battery hidden and so on. What the system will be doing is literally > > lifting a weight, demonstrating work being done for free." > > > > "Obviously Steorn and Sean McCarthy would never recover if there is a > > negative result here. But we don't see that as even an outside > > possibility," > > he said. > > > > > > more urls at http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/steorn/ > > > > > > On 04/07/07, Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> The streaming video from Kinetica is said to start at 6 pm GMT today. > >> That would mean we should see it here at 1 pm EDT. > >> > >> No URL for the vid yet. > >> > >> Terry > >> > >> > > > > > >
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Yes, today, July 4th, could turn out to be the declared day humanity was freed from oil!! Regards, Paul Lowrance Terry Blanton wrote: LOL! Well, I'll check frequently (as I'm sure we will all do). Meanwhile, is it too early to declare Oil Independence Day? http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=b9r_Xq1ZCAw Terry On 7/4/07, Paul Lowrance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There appears (perhaps) to be a bit of conflicting information. Steorns home page says "View the online demonstration here at 6pm (Eastern Time)." While Kinetica Museum says "starts July 5th, details revealed 6pm tonight." Kinetica Museum is in London. Terry Blanton wrote: > 6 pm ZULU according to the press release. > > Terry > > > On 7/4/07, Paul Lowrance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news.nv?storyid=single8713 >> >> The above article says the Steorn Orbo will be viewable live on the >> Internet >> from 6pm this evening at >> http://www.steorn.com/orbo/demo >> >> with four webcams focused on the machine 24 hours a day. >> >> The question is, which time zone? >> >> >> Regards, >> Paul Lowrance >> >> >> >> >> Esa Ruoho wrote: >> > http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0704/breaking46.htm >> > 'Free' energy technology goes on display (ireland.com) >> > >> > Sean McCarthy, chief executive of Steorn, said: "What we are showing >> > basically is a very simplified version of the technology. It's >> virtually >> > all-clear plastic and magnets so we are demonstrating obviously that >> there >> > is no battery hidden and so on. What the system will be doing is >> literally >> > lifting a weight, demonstrating work being done for free." >> > >> > "Obviously Steorn and Sean McCarthy would never recover if there is a >> > negative result here. But we don't see that as even an outside >> > possibility," >> > he said. >> > >> > >> > more urls at http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/steorn/ >> > >> > >> > On 04/07/07, Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> The streaming video from Kinetica is said to start at 6 pm GMT today. >> >> That would mean we should see it here at 1 pm EDT. >> >> >> >> No URL for the vid yet. >> >> >> >> Terry >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >
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Just posted on their main page: "View the online demonstration here at 6pm (Eastern Time)." Which would be 11:00 pm London time. Terry On 7/4/07, Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 6 pm ZULU according to the press release. Terry On 7/4/07, Paul Lowrance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news.nv?storyid=single8713 > > The above article says the Steorn Orbo will be viewable live on the Internet > from 6pm this evening at > http://www.steorn.com/orbo/demo > > with four webcams focused on the machine 24 hours a day. > > The question is, which time zone? > > > Regards, > Paul Lowrance > > > > > Esa Ruoho wrote: > > http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0704/breaking46.htm > > 'Free' energy technology goes on display (ireland.com) > > > > Sean McCarthy, chief executive of Steorn, said: "What we are showing > > basically is a very simplified version of the technology. It's virtually > > all-clear plastic and magnets so we are demonstrating obviously that there > > is no battery hidden and so on. What the system will be doing is literally > > lifting a weight, demonstrating work being done for free." > > > > "Obviously Steorn and Sean McCarthy would never recover if there is a > > negative result here. But we don't see that as even an outside > > possibility," > > he said. > > > > > > more urls at http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/steorn/ > > > > > > On 04/07/07, Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> The streaming video from Kinetica is said to start at 6 pm GMT today. > >> That would mean we should see it here at 1 pm EDT. > >> > >> No URL for the vid yet. > >> > >> Terry > >> > >> > > > > > >
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LOL! Well, I'll check frequently (as I'm sure we will all do). Meanwhile, is it too early to declare Oil Independence Day? http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=b9r_Xq1ZCAw Terry On 7/4/07, Paul Lowrance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There appears (perhaps) to be a bit of conflicting information. Steorns home page says "View the online demonstration here at 6pm (Eastern Time)." While Kinetica Museum says "starts July 5th, details revealed 6pm tonight." Kinetica Museum is in London. Terry Blanton wrote: > 6 pm ZULU according to the press release. > > Terry > > > On 7/4/07, Paul Lowrance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news.nv?storyid=single8713 >> >> The above article says the Steorn Orbo will be viewable live on the >> Internet >> from 6pm this evening at >> http://www.steorn.com/orbo/demo >> >> with four webcams focused on the machine 24 hours a day. >> >> The question is, which time zone? >> >> >> Regards, >> Paul Lowrance >> >> >> >> >> Esa Ruoho wrote: >> > http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0704/breaking46.htm >> > 'Free' energy technology goes on display (ireland.com) >> > >> > Sean McCarthy, chief executive of Steorn, said: "What we are showing >> > basically is a very simplified version of the technology. It's >> virtually >> > all-clear plastic and magnets so we are demonstrating obviously that >> there >> > is no battery hidden and so on. What the system will be doing is >> literally >> > lifting a weight, demonstrating work being done for free." >> > >> > "Obviously Steorn and Sean McCarthy would never recover if there is a >> > negative result here. But we don't see that as even an outside >> > possibility," >> > he said. >> > >> > >> > more urls at http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/steorn/ >> > >> > >> > On 04/07/07, Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> The streaming video from Kinetica is said to start at 6 pm GMT today. >> >> That would mean we should see it here at 1 pm EDT. >> >> >> >> No URL for the vid yet. >> >> >> >> Terry >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >
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There appears (perhaps) to be a bit of conflicting information. Steorns home page says "View the online demonstration here at 6pm (Eastern Time)." While Kinetica Museum says "starts July 5th, details revealed 6pm tonight." Kinetica Museum is in London. Terry Blanton wrote: 6 pm ZULU according to the press release. Terry On 7/4/07, Paul Lowrance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news.nv?storyid=single8713 The above article says the Steorn Orbo will be viewable live on the Internet from 6pm this evening at http://www.steorn.com/orbo/demo with four webcams focused on the machine 24 hours a day. The question is, which time zone? Regards, Paul Lowrance Esa Ruoho wrote: > http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0704/breaking46.htm > 'Free' energy technology goes on display (ireland.com) > > Sean McCarthy, chief executive of Steorn, said: "What we are showing > basically is a very simplified version of the technology. It's virtually > all-clear plastic and magnets so we are demonstrating obviously that there > is no battery hidden and so on. What the system will be doing is literally > lifting a weight, demonstrating work being done for free." > > "Obviously Steorn and Sean McCarthy would never recover if there is a > negative result here. But we don't see that as even an outside > possibility," > he said. > > > more urls at http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/steorn/ > > > On 04/07/07, Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> The streaming video from Kinetica is said to start at 6 pm GMT today. >> That would mean we should see it here at 1 pm EDT. >> >> No URL for the vid yet. >> >> Terry >> >> > >
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Uniform Resource Locator: www.steorn.com/orbo/demo Terry On 7/4/07, Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The streaming video from Kinetica is said to start at 6 pm GMT today. That would mean we should see it here at 1 pm EDT. No URL for the vid yet. Terry
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http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news.nv?storyid=single8713 The above article says the Steorn Orbo will be viewable live on the Internet from 6pm this evening at http://www.steorn.com/orbo/demo with four webcams focused on the machine 24 hours a day. The question is, which time zone? Regards, Paul Lowrance Esa Ruoho wrote: > http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0704/breaking46.htm > 'Free' energy technology goes on display (ireland.com) > > Sean McCarthy, chief executive of Steorn, said: "What we are showing > basically is a very simplified version of the technology. It's virtually > all-clear plastic and magnets so we are demonstrating obviously that there > is no battery hidden and so on. What the system will be doing is literally > lifting a weight, demonstrating work being done for free." > > "Obviously Steorn and Sean McCarthy would never recover if there is a > negative result here. But we don't see that as even an outside > possibility," > he said. > > > more urls at http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/steorn/ > > > On 04/07/07, Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> The streaming video from Kinetica is said to start at 6 pm GMT today. >> That would mean we should see it here at 1 pm EDT. >> >> No URL for the vid yet. >> >> Terry >> >> > >
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6 pm ZULU according to the press release. Terry On 7/4/07, Paul Lowrance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news.nv?storyid=single8713 The above article says the Steorn Orbo will be viewable live on the Internet from 6pm this evening at http://www.steorn.com/orbo/demo with four webcams focused on the machine 24 hours a day. The question is, which time zone? Regards, Paul Lowrance Esa Ruoho wrote: > http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0704/breaking46.htm > 'Free' energy technology goes on display (ireland.com) > > Sean McCarthy, chief executive of Steorn, said: "What we are showing > basically is a very simplified version of the technology. It's virtually > all-clear plastic and magnets so we are demonstrating obviously that there > is no battery hidden and so on. What the system will be doing is literally > lifting a weight, demonstrating work being done for free." > > "Obviously Steorn and Sean McCarthy would never recover if there is a > negative result here. But we don't see that as even an outside > possibility," > he said. > > > more urls at http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/steorn/ > > > On 04/07/07, Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> The streaming video from Kinetica is said to start at 6 pm GMT today. >> That would mean we should see it here at 1 pm EDT. >> >> No URL for the vid yet. >> >> Terry >> >> > >
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Paul Lowrance wrote: > http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news.nv?storyid=single8713 > > The above article says the Steorn Orbo will be viewable live on the Internet > from 6pm this evening at > http://www.steorn.com/orbo/demo > > with four webcams focused on the machine 24 hours a day. > > The question is, which time zone? Ah, the answers now found on Steorns home page. It says, "View the online demonstration here at 6pm (Eastern Time)." http://www.steorn.com/orbo/demo Paul Lowrance
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UTC (GMT). -Original Message- From: Paul Lowrance [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 8:27 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Steorn will demonstrate the Orbo in ~ a few days http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news.nv?storyid=single8713 The above article says the Steorn Orbo will be viewable live on the Internet from 6pm this evening at http://www.steorn.com/orbo/demo with four webcams focused on the machine 24 hours a day. The question is, which time zone? Regards, Paul Lowrance Esa Ruoho wrote: > http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0704/breaking46.htm > 'Free' energy technology goes on display (ireland.com) > > Sean McCarthy, chief executive of Steorn, said: "What we are showing > basically is a very simplified version of the technology. It's virtually > all-clear plastic and magnets so we are demonstrating obviously that there > is no battery hidden and so on. What the system will be doing is literally > lifting a weight, demonstrating work being done for free." > > "Obviously Steorn and Sean McCarthy would never recover if there is a > negative result here. But we don't see that as even an outside > possibility," > he said. > > > more urls at http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/steorn/ > > > On 04/07/07, Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> The streaming video from Kinetica is said to start at 6 pm GMT today. >> That would mean we should see it here at 1 pm EDT. >> >> No URL for the vid yet. >> >> Terry >> >> > >
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http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0704/breaking46.htm 'Free' energy technology goes on display (ireland.com) Sean McCarthy, chief executive of Steorn, said: "What we are showing basically is a very simplified version of the technology. It's virtually all-clear plastic and magnets so we are demonstrating obviously that there is no battery hidden and so on. What the system will be doing is literally lifting a weight, demonstrating work being done for free." "Obviously Steorn and Sean McCarthy would never recover if there is a negative result here. But we don't see that as even an outside possibility," he said. more urls at http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/steorn/ On 04/07/07, Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The streaming video from Kinetica is said to start at 6 pm GMT today. That would mean we should see it here at 1 pm EDT. No URL for the vid yet. Terry -- ∞
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The streaming video from Kinetica is said to start at 6 pm GMT today. That would mean we should see it here at 1 pm EDT. No URL for the vid yet. Terry
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http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0704/steorn.html http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40774 On 04/07/07, John Winterflood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/ireland/business/article2734631.ece -- ∞
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The latest information that appears on your site seems to be "New Article June 25, 2007 - Will Your Next Car Sell Power to the Grid?" http://magneticpowerinc.com/pdf/YourNextCar.pdf Excerpt: "Further engineering is all that remains necessary to make this remarkable discovery a permanent, low-cost, source of electricity." So power production is not permanent yet, does this mean your discovery still lacks experimental validation? Michel - Original Message - From: "Mark Goldes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Steorn will demonstrate the Orbo in ~ a few days > Jed, > > I think you may be correct. Edison may have had it right... > > We have been pondering the issue with regard to our own technology. > > (Anyone interested can see what we will say publicly at this time by reading > what appears on our website: magneticpowerinc.com ) > > Mark > Magnetic Power Inc. > > > > On 7/3/07, Jed Rothwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I wish people would refrain from doing these grand orchestrated >> introductions. Two reasons: >> >> 1. It might fail, and thereby backfire. >> >> 2. It seems like something P. T. Barnum would do, rather than science. >> >> A series of low-key, matter-of-fact demonstrations in the laboratory >> would be better. This is how Edison introduce the incandescent light >> to the public. He strung lights outside the lab, and people came to >> see them at night. He overcame enormous resistance from the >> establishment. He did not try to defeat the naysayers in a single >> day, but gradually, over a period of weeks. >> >> There have been a few single, grand demonstrations that instantly >> convinced large numbers of people, notably: >> >> Westinghouse's unplanned demonstration of the airbrake during a test >> run, in which the train narrowly avoided colliding with a wagon on the >> tracks. >> >> Wilbur Wright's flight in France on August 8, 1908, which convinced >> the Europeans. >> >> Orville Wright's flight of September 3, 1908, which convinced >> Americans and Pres. Roosevelt's son. The Americans paid no attention >> to the European press, which was already gaga over the Wrights. >> >> The plutonium fission bomb test of July 16, 1945, and the uranium >> bomb attack on August 6, 1945. The latter was more-or-less a sure >> thing in the minds of most physicists, but I think there were some >> doubts about the feasibility of implosion bombs. This is kind of >> history we could do without. >> >> - Jed >> >> > > > -- > Mark Goldes > Chairman & CEO > Magnetic Power Inc. > 301A North Main Street > Sebastopol, CA 95473 > > 707 829-9391 direct > 707 829-1002 fax >
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apologies. it seems that a forum member Yirkha thought it was a great idea to post a url that seems to reference kinetica/museum.org but doesnt, and actually accesses his website: %68%74%74%70%3A%2F%2F%79%69%72%6B%68%61%2E%66%75%64%2E%63%7A%2F%73%74%65%6F%72%6E%2F = http://yirkha.fud.cz/steorn/ .. sorry! hopefully there will be an announcement on 5th of july or end of july or anything, about steorn, but this wasnt it. :( On 04/07/07, Esa Ruoho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: they are using kinetica again. Current exhibition: Steorn's Orbo - A free energy technology [image: Steorn logo] The Irish company which claims to have designed a machine that creates energy from thin air is due to put the technology on display today. Steorn claims its Orbo device uses the interaction of magnetic fields to generate a constant source of free and clean energy. If true, the technology would defy the laws of physics. It is currently being tested by 22 of the world's top scientists, who are expected to conclude their review sometime next year. Today, Steorn CEO Sean McCarthy will hold a press conference at Kinetica Museum in London and set off ten days long public demonstration of their technology. More information will be released shortly. http://www.kinetica-museum.org/new_site/index.php?ptitle=Current+Exhibition&mfile=%68%74%74%70%3A%2F%2F%79%69%72%6B%68%61%2E%66%75%64%2E%63%7A%2F%73%74%65%6F%72%6E%2F http://pixor.net/tiny/anm On 04/07/07, Jed Rothwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Paul Lowrance wrote: > > >I agree. Here's my method --> > > > > > >Goal: To freely spread the precise build instructions as quickly as > possible: > > > >* Type a short document containing precise details how to build such > >a device, encouraging others to replicate such a device for personal > >use and/or for sale. > >* Xerox a few thousand copies of such document. . . . > > >What do you think? > > I do not know enough about patent laws to comment. > > However, the issue here is not patents or intellectual property, it > is how best to introduce a new product. This is something I have > done, and I have the scars to show for it. I have seen some Grand > Rollout Trade Show Product Introductions go sour. Very sour! As in: > the power supplies catch fire, or the software freezes in front of > your biggest customer. > > You want to keep demos low key. You want to be able to say: "Oops, it > didn't work. Okay, folks, let's move on to this PowerPoint > presentation instead . . ." > > - Jed > > -- ∞ -- ∞
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they are using kinetica again. Current exhibition: Steorn's Orbo - A free energy technology [image: Steorn logo] The Irish company which claims to have designed a machine that creates energy from thin air is due to put the technology on display today. Steorn claims its Orbo device uses the interaction of magnetic fields to generate a constant source of free and clean energy. If true, the technology would defy the laws of physics. It is currently being tested by 22 of the world's top scientists, who are expected to conclude their review sometime next year. Today, Steorn CEO Sean McCarthy will hold a press conference at Kinetica Museum in London and set off ten days long public demonstration of their technology. More information will be released shortly. http://www.kinetica-museum.org/new_site/index.php?ptitle=Current+Exhibition&mfile=%68%74%74%70%3A%2F%2F%79%69%72%6B%68%61%2E%66%75%64%2E%63%7A%2F%73%74%65%6F%72%6E%2F http://pixor.net/tiny/anm On 04/07/07, Jed Rothwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Paul Lowrance wrote: >I agree. Here's my method --> > > >Goal: To freely spread the precise build instructions as quickly as possible: > >* Type a short document containing precise details how to build such >a device, encouraging others to replicate such a device for personal >use and/or for sale. >* Xerox a few thousand copies of such document. . . . >What do you think? I do not know enough about patent laws to comment. However, the issue here is not patents or intellectual property, it is how best to introduce a new product. This is something I have done, and I have the scars to show for it. I have seen some Grand Rollout Trade Show Product Introductions go sour. Very sour! As in: the power supplies catch fire, or the software freezes in front of your biggest customer. You want to keep demos low key. You want to be able to say: "Oops, it didn't work. Okay, folks, let's move on to this PowerPoint presentation instead . . ." - Jed -- ∞
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Paul Lowrance wrote: I agree. Here's my method --> Goal: To freely spread the precise build instructions as quickly as possible: * Type a short document containing precise details how to build such a device, encouraging others to replicate such a device for personal use and/or for sale. * Xerox a few thousand copies of such document. . . . What do you think? I do not know enough about patent laws to comment. However, the issue here is not patents or intellectual property, it is how best to introduce a new product. This is something I have done, and I have the scars to show for it. I have seen some Grand Rollout Trade Show Product Introductions go sour. Very sour! As in: the power supplies catch fire, or the software freezes in front of your biggest customer. You want to keep demos low key. You want to be able to say: "Oops, it didn't work. Okay, folks, let's move on to this PowerPoint presentation instead . . ." - Jed
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Jed, I think you may be correct. Edison may have had it right... We have been pondering the issue with regard to our own technology. (Anyone interested can see what we will say publicly at this time by reading what appears on our website: magneticpowerinc.com ) Mark Magnetic Power Inc. On 7/3/07, Jed Rothwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I wish people would refrain from doing these grand orchestrated introductions. Two reasons: 1. It might fail, and thereby backfire. 2. It seems like something P. T. Barnum would do, rather than science. A series of low-key, matter-of-fact demonstrations in the laboratory would be better. This is how Edison introduce the incandescent light to the public. He strung lights outside the lab, and people came to see them at night. He overcame enormous resistance from the establishment. He did not try to defeat the naysayers in a single day, but gradually, over a period of weeks. There have been a few single, grand demonstrations that instantly convinced large numbers of people, notably: Westinghouse's unplanned demonstration of the airbrake during a test run, in which the train narrowly avoided colliding with a wagon on the tracks. Wilbur Wright's flight in France on August 8, 1908, which convinced the Europeans. Orville Wright's flight of September 3, 1908, which convinced Americans and Pres. Roosevelt's son. The Americans paid no attention to the European press, which was already gaga over the Wrights. The plutonium fission bomb test of July 16, 1945, and the uranium bomb attack on August 6, 1945. The latter was more-or-less a sure thing in the minds of most physicists, but I think there were some doubts about the feasibility of implosion bombs. This is kind of history we could do without. - Jed -- Mark Goldes Chairman & CEO Magnetic Power Inc. 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95473 707 829-9391 direct 707 829-1002 fax
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Rhong Dhong wrote: They are businessmen, trying to make money for their investors. They could publish the plans of the device tomorrow if they didn't mind seeing their investors lose millions in revenue from licences. That has no bearing on how they introduce the invention to the pubic. A quiet, matter-of-fact introduction would protect their intellectual property just as much as a Grand Introduction at a Museum. - Jed
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Jed Rothwell wrote: I wish people would refrain from doing these grand orchestrated introductions. Two reasons: 1. It might fail, and thereby backfire. 2. It seems like something P. T. Barnum would do, rather than science. A series of low-key, matter-of-fact demonstrations in the laboratory would be better. This is how Edison introduce the incandescent light to the public. He strung lights outside the lab, and people came to see them at night. He overcame enormous resistance from the establishment. He did not try to defeat the naysayers in a single day, but gradually, over a period of weeks. There have been a few single, grand demonstrations that instantly convinced large numbers of people, notably: Westinghouse's unplanned demonstration of the airbrake during a test run, in which the train narrowly avoided colliding with a wagon on the tracks. Wilbur Wright's flight in France on August 8, 1908, which convinced the Europeans. Orville Wright's flight of September 3, 1908, which convinced Americans and Pres. Roosevelt's son. The Americans paid no attention to the European press, which was already gaga over the Wrights. The plutonium fission bomb test of July 16, 1945, and the uranium bomb attack on August 6, 1945. The latter was more-or-less a sure thing in the minds of most physicists, but I think there were some doubts about the feasibility of implosion bombs. This is kind of history we could do without. I agree. Here's my method --> Goal: To freely spread the precise build instructions as quickly as possible: * Type a short document containing precise details how to build such a device, encouraging others to replicate such a device for personal use and/or for sale. * Xerox a few thousand copies of such document. * Hand out the documents to various people (university professors, students, etc.) * Publish the details at various wikis; e.g. wikipedia.com, peswiki.com * Publish the details at various forums; google groups, Vo, overunity.com * Send emails to interested parties. * Spend ~$200 to publish in an authorized Prior art magazine. * Obtain a provisional patent. Next step: * Spend appreciable time to significantly improve the device-- version 2. * Start a company to mass produce and sale version 2. What do you think? Regards, Paul Lowrance
Re: [Vo]:Steorn will demonstrate the Orbo in ~ a few days
Jed Rothwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I wish people would refrain from doing these grand orchestrated introductions. Two reasons: 1. It might fail, and thereby backfire. 2. It seems like something P. T. Barnum would do, rather than science. They are businessmen, trying to make money for their investors. They could publish the plans of the device tomorrow if they didn't mind seeing their investors lose millions in revenue from licences. - Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more.
Re: [Vo]:Steorn will demonstrate the Orbo in ~ a few days
I wish people would refrain from doing these grand orchestrated introductions. Two reasons: 1. It might fail, and thereby backfire. 2. It seems like something P. T. Barnum would do, rather than science. A series of low-key, matter-of-fact demonstrations in the laboratory would be better. This is how Edison introduce the incandescent light to the public. He strung lights outside the lab, and people came to see them at night. He overcame enormous resistance from the establishment. He did not try to defeat the naysayers in a single day, but gradually, over a period of weeks. There have been a few single, grand demonstrations that instantly convinced large numbers of people, notably: Westinghouse's unplanned demonstration of the airbrake during a test run, in which the train narrowly avoided colliding with a wagon on the tracks. Wilbur Wright's flight in France on August 8, 1908, which convinced the Europeans. Orville Wright's flight of September 3, 1908, which convinced Americans and Pres. Roosevelt's son. The Americans paid no attention to the European press, which was already gaga over the Wrights. The plutonium fission bomb test of July 16, 1945, and the uranium bomb attack on August 6, 1945. The latter was more-or-less a sure thing in the minds of most physicists, but I think there were some doubts about the feasibility of implosion bombs. This is kind of history we could do without. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Steorn will demonstrate the Orbo in ~ a few days
From Paul Lowrance I'm a little surprised at the total lack of attentions Steorn is getting in the alternative and "Free Energy" communities. ... Indeed, the much anticipated STEORN presentation could be of historic proportions. The event could turn out to be one of the biggest milestones in recorded history. The assumed benefits we all attribute to a technologically oriented global civilization would appear to have a chance of thriving indefinitely. ...Or we can go back to a tried and true nomadic way-of-life, after the planet's surplus population is pared down by four or five billion. I suspect many who have lurked or participated AE groups like Vo have learned through countless personal encounters with the SoHK (School of Hard Knocks) that it is probably wiser to sit back and observe what will come out of the presentation. It is assumed to be an interesting, though perhaps initially underreported, media event. However, too many times in the past an announcement or a claim of historic proportions eventually fizzles under closer scrutiny. Many legitimately ask themselves, what makes STEORN's controversial AE announcement any different than a jillion other "free energy" claims that have been made over the years. Skeptics have every right to remain skeptical. IMO, something to watch very carefully for in the next couple of days would be whether STEORN suddenly coughs up an unexpected "delay" or some other convoluted excuse in the long anticipated launch of their ORBO technology. That might be a bad sign. More of the same old... For now, all we can do is patiently wait and see what unfolds. At least it doesn't seem to be a long wait. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com
