re: applecentres in wa

[Barry Jones]

hi People this is Barry from the Apple Centre Cannington, i was reading 
a little quote from Dave Choy today.


David to give you a brief history of my experience regarding customer 
needs, i have been working in it for about 10 years mostly pc from a 
networking side to infrastructure development, it been 4 years with a 
company called abacus computers, about 15 months ago i was asked to 
help out at the Generation-Mac location, all the staff there had left 
that day and left the store unmanned. having a powerbook 400 since 2000 
and the only person in the company having any idea about macs they 
thought it might be a good idea, i was redeveloping abacus cannington 
at the time so it was a pain in the backside but the customer comes 
first and there were a lot of outstanding issues, pulling that store 
back from the brink of disaster i learned one thing, the store itself 
carried over 80,000 dollars in spare parts that were never asked for in 
the time i was there, this would never happen again, i see requests on 
wamug all the time asking were people can get apple based products, i 
think to my self, well if i think hard there are 4 apple centres that 
could help me, there a 6 apple resellers in the metro, there are 9 
apple solution center in wa, but still were will i go, i set up an 
apple centre in the new abacus computers store right at the front of 
the building, so as to attract new clients from the pc market, just to 
let you know that i make more money selling a pc than a apple product, 
but still we as a company did it. i spoke to a client the other day who 
lives in gosnells its about 9 mins from the store, if you don't know 
were it is is near the shopping centre in cannington, she drove all the 
way to nedlands to by here mac, she drove passed our store to get there 
she said she did not know we were there. i have spent over 40,000 
dollars doing a refit for the apple location only it takes up 70 square 
metres in the store thats about 24% of the store including storage and 
generates 4% of the profit for the store and you ask me to carry a part 
for a laptop that has had nine upgrades, i don't understand, do you 
think apple centres make money for a 5 dollar product sitting on a 
shelf for 2 years, i don't think so, if you live in the south side of 
perth use the apple centre cannington i don't care if you price match i 
don't care if i have to deliver it just support your store, the other 
apple centre cannington that closed down had very little support and 
has now gone. why do you think this is. if you new the pain i go throu 
to keep this store open. now on a lighter note. please if you have 
something to say don't post it here call me i want you to, even for a 
chat, lets all remember people, apple spent over 30% of there profit 
last year in development of there new products and people still ask me 
for spare part for a mac thats 15 years old, if you think your mac is 
doing a good job try the new ones, they will blow your mind. please 
call me i want you to,




Barry Jones
Generation-Mac
AppleCentre Cannington
your Apple SuperStore
93580588

Re: 8600 power supply

[tuchwood]

Hi Russ

In mid 2001, I had the Power supply blow on my 8500...right in the 
middle of a CD project actually...


I had it repaired by

Applied Instrument Company Pty Ltd
1a/9 Corbusier Place Balcatta WA 6021
PO Box 115 Osborne Park WA 6917
Phone: 9240 6999 Fax: 9240 6988

Cost $110...was back in a few daysv. good service
At the time I was quoted $350 for a new replacement power supply!!!

The technician I dealt with was called Rouen Arnaud.
I remember him saying that they'd done quite a few of the
8500/8600 power supply repairs...

Hope this helps...by the way the Beige G3 Tower I bought off you is 
still going strong...


Cheers
Neil D

On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 10:50 AM, russ7890 wrote:


Hi,
Does anybody know of a repairer for an 8600 power supply, or anyone 
selling

one ?

Regards
Russ


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Re: Apple remote access

[David de la Hunty]

On Wednesday, Jul 23, 2003, at 20:54 Australia/Perth, Bob Howells wrote:




David de la Hunty wrote:

I was getting this sort of thing. It was not the phone line but the
crappy local exchange. It only gets 28.8.


OH YEH ? Says who ?
telstra. I had to ask the question about 5 times since she seemed 
either ignorant or evasive and was eventually shut up with "Telstra 
only guarantees 28.8" (ie so why was I complaining?)


Might be the path from the exchange to the Modem,
and just as likely to be the ISP.


naah I get 56k ALWAYS in Rockingham, the crappy speed is only 
Applecross. And it's a 2 year old house with all new cabling. Mind you 
the relays in the street frequently drop out on a Saturday for 36-48 
hours so it might just be the line there. Who knows, still Telstra's 
shitty service to blame despite being an inner city suburb!


Even a MUX system from the exchange to the Modem should give
33.6 which is at least a bit better than 28.8


hmmm. maybe iiNet geek was not so helpful after all. Still, 30 000 is 
the fastest speed I have ever seen in this borough even on v90. Years 
ago when 28.8 was the flash new standard, Applecross still only got 
14.4 for years and years.


Cutting down the speed is NO satisfaction.

Bob




The helpful lad at iiNet fixed it by getting me to go into the Modem
preferences and select v.34 (rather than v.90). This locked the speed
at 28.8 and solved the conflict.

Give it a try.

BTW is it my imagination or is the above positive reference to iiNet a
bit of a rarity these days?

d

On Wednesday, Jul 23, 2003, at 16:46 Australia/Perth, KEVIN Lock 
wrote:




Help please. A friend's iMac on 8.6 connected by modem drops out
often within seconds of connecting. The connection is usually @
37000. 'Apple Remote Access, You have Been Disconnected'

Is it a phone line problem or a setting???

any help appreciated.

TIA


Kevin

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Re: Apple remote access

[Bob Howells]

David de la Hunty wrote:
I was getting this sort of thing. It was not the phone line but the 
crappy local exchange. It only gets 28.8.


OH YEH ? Says who ?

Might be the path from the exchange to the Modem,
and just as likely to be the ISP.

Even a MUX system from the exchange to the Modem should give
33.6 which is at least a bit better than 28.8

Cutting down the speed is NO satisfaction.

Bob




The helpful lad at iiNet fixed it by getting me to go into the Modem 
preferences and select v.34 (rather than v.90). This locked the speed 
at 28.8 and solved the conflict.


Give it a try.

BTW is it my imagination or is the above positive reference to iiNet a 
bit of a rarity these days?


d

On Wednesday, Jul 23, 2003, at 16:46 Australia/Perth, KEVIN Lock wrote:



Help please. A friend's iMac on 8.6 connected by modem drops out
often within seconds of connecting. The connection is usually @
37000. 'Apple Remote Access, You have Been Disconnected'

Is it a phone line problem or a setting???

any help appreciated.

TIA


Kevin

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Re: Apple remote access

[Bob Howells]

Hi Kevin,

More information needed !

1. Make of Modem
2.  Has this just started ? Has it worked OK before ?
3. What Modem Script is being used ?
4.  ISP ?

Depending on your answers I may be able to help.

Bob


KEVIN Lock wrote:
Help please. A friend's iMac on 8.6 connected by modem drops out 
often within seconds of connecting. The connection is usually @ 
37000. 'Apple Remote Access, You have Been Disconnected'


Is it a phone line problem or a setting???

any help appreciated.

TIA


Kevin

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Re: Apple remote access

[David de la Hunty]

I was getting this sort of thing. It was not the phone line but the 
crappy local exchange. It only gets 28.8.


The helpful lad at iiNet fixed it by getting me to go into the Modem 
preferences and select v.34 (rather than v.90). This locked the speed 
at 28.8 and solved the conflict.


Give it a try.

BTW is it my imagination or is the above positive reference to iiNet a 
bit of a rarity these days?


d

On Wednesday, Jul 23, 2003, at 16:46 Australia/Perth, KEVIN Lock wrote:


Help please. A friend's iMac on 8.6 connected by modem drops out
often within seconds of connecting. The connection is usually @
37000. 'Apple Remote Access, You have Been Disconnected'

Is it a phone line problem or a setting???

any help appreciated.

TIA


Kevin

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Re: S-Video to composite adaptor

[Daniel Kerr]

Good luck shay - I tried a few weeks ago - rang around all the
Applecentres - no one had stock, and to boot Next Byte quoted me $40. I
ended up going to JayCar electronics (www.jaycar.com.au) in Northbridge
and picked up one for $12.95.


Seriously, the stores here are very poor - I am sick to death of
supporting the local stores(which I have been doing for the last 5
years since I arrived in WA) when they can't stock simple items such as
this. The week prior to requiring such an adaptor, I was in melbourne,
where I spotted a whole BOX full of these things(of at least 40) going
for $25 at MyMac in mebourne city. The fact that I can't find a single
one readily available from the usual suspects (and that includes the
sponsors of WAMUG - added that just for you Matt Healey ;-)) show how
poor WA has been in this respect.

If Apple is to open any store for themselves, they should start with WA.

Dave Choy



Hi David

As a sponsor and corporate member for WAMUG (albeit a small one, as I 
run my own business by myself at home),..can I add a little 2 cents 
here. Although I didn't have this in stock, I had a spare so I lent 
this to Shay until he can find a new one, or I can get him one from 
Apple as I am sure it is not a part on their list anymore, but is 
treated as a service part. I don't keep a lot of stock,..although if 
someone wants to lend or give me $200,000 I am more than happy to 
stock one of everything! ;o)


But yes I can understand that sometimes things are frustratng when 
you need them now. The downside is there are so many new and old 
parts that some things are hard to keep in stock, so I can see both 
sides of the coin. Sometimes patience is a virtue, and I always try 
and help out where I can,..and this is why I was more than happy to 
help Shay out in the interim :o)


Have fun. Enjoy!

Kind Regards
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Ireland: roaming internet & SMS & mobile

[David de la Hunty]

Anyone got any tips on how to organise roaming sms / mobile, and also 
whether there are ISPs in Ireland who will do a month account for 
forwarded email & web? Bearing in mind I have an o-l-d mobile, hell it 
doesn't even take photos! Also, to me Bluetooth is what I get after the 
third glass of red so solutions featuring a lack of technological 
challenge for an ageing geek still in the 80s would be appreciated.


hardware: g3 bronze, 10.2.6
Nokia 33 something something - capable of sms but probably bugger all 
else.


Any advice much appreciated!

TIA

d

Re: S-Video to composite adaptor

[David Choy]

Good luck shay - I tried a few weeks ago - rang around all the 
Applecentres - no one had stock, and to boot Next Byte quoted me $40. I 
ended up going to JayCar electronics (www.jaycar.com.au) in Northbridge 
and picked up one for $12.95.



Seriously, the stores here are very poor - I am sick to death of 
supporting the local stores(which I have been doing for the last 5 
years since I arrived in WA) when they can't stock simple items such as 
this. The week prior to requiring such an adaptor, I was in melbourne, 
where I spotted a whole BOX full of these things(of at least 40) going 
for $25 at MyMac in mebourne city. The fact that I can't find a single 
one readily available from the usual suspects (and that includes the 
sponsors of WAMUG - added that just for you Matt Healey ;-)) show how 
poor WA has been in this respect.


If Apple is to open any store for themselves, they should start with WA.


Dave Choy


On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 06:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Message: 4
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:58:24 +0800
From: Shay Telfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: S-Video to composite adapter

Hi...

I've managed to misplace my S-Video to composite adapter, which is
really annoying. Does anyone know a source of them locally? Ideally
an Apple one (they look cooler :)

If you don't know what one looks like there's a picture here...



Have fun,
Thanks,
Shay
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Re: Digest Number 1355

[Robin Belford]

On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 06:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Message: 4
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:58:24 +0800
From: Shay Telfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: S-Video to composite adapter

Hi...

I've managed to misplace my S-Video to composite adapter, which is
really annoying. Does anyone know a source of them locally? Ideally
an Apple one (they look cooler :)

If you don't know what one looks like there's a picture here...



Have fun,
Thanks,
Shay
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Re: 8600 power supply

[Reg Whitely]

Shaye

What is the "standard fault" in 8600 machines? Would this be a fault in 
8500 machines too?


Reg

On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 10:59 am, Shay Telfer wrote:
If you're lucky it's probably the standard fault in the 8600 machines 
:)


Have fun,
Shay (I should really be getting kickbacks from them by now!)

Appleworks Not Working

[Dark Servant]

Appleworks will not launch anymore. When it does it just freezes and I 
get 'application not responding'. I'm running a G4-400, OS 10.2.6, 
Appleworks 6.2.4.
I've tried repairing permissions and removing Appleworks preferences 
but have been unable to fix this problem.


Any help appreciated.
Ruben A. Franke

Apple remote access

[KEVIN Lock]

Help please. A friend's iMac on 8.6 connected by modem drops out 
often within seconds of connecting. The connection is usually @ 
37000. 'Apple Remote Access, You have Been Disconnected'


Is it a phone line problem or a setting???

any help appreciated.

TIA


Kevin

FW: wanted to buy - early iMac

[Lisa Pitcher]

Hi Greg

Check with Ross's Salvage Computer area. I know of 6 blue iMac's that were
sent there recently for auction or re-sale. Hopefully they are still there
and they aren't asking too much for them.

Lisa

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To: wamug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: wanted to buy - early iMac

Hi all, on the lookout for an early iMac for a friend she doesn't
need anything flash, will pay up to $350. Please email me offlist with
price & specs

cheers
Greg


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Re: ABN AMRO Morgans Website

[Larry Pohl]

On 23/7/03 3:21 PM, "RONDA BROWN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello WAMUGers,
> Oh dear, another Website that has gone Anti-Mac.
> I use Safari 1.0 (v85) & IE 5.2.3 on iceBook OSX10.2.6
> Can someone please explain this ?
> How can I check my Investment Portfolio now ?
> Many thanks,
> Ronni
> 

Ronni

You may want to look at the latest release of Mozilla (or Netscape). I've
found it works on my bank, Testra and any other e-commerce type sites I use.

I also happen to think it's a mighty fine browser.

Larry

Re: ABN AMRO Morgans Website

[Ryan Jay Schotte]

Well they don't seem to have exactly gone anti-Mac. You could always try
using Netscape or Mozilla.

Failing that, CerttoolGUI
 may prove of some
assistance. It is supposed to make security certificates available to Safari
through the Mac OS X keychain.

Also, a little app called "Safari Enhancer"
 will turn on the
Debug menu in Safari, from which I'm told you can control how Safari handles
security certificates.

On 2003-07-23 15:21, "RONDA BROWN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello WAMUGers,
> Oh dear, another Website that has gone Anti-Mac.
> I use Safari 1.0 (v85) & IE 5.2.3 on iceBook OSX10.2.6
> Can someone please explain this ?
> How can I check my Investment Portfolio now ?
> Many thanks,
> Ronni
> 
>> From: "Erin Bresland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Tue Jul 22, 2003 9:20:08 AM Australia/Perth
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: ABN AMRO Morgans Website - Security Certificate Update *
>> PLEASE READ *
>> Attachments: There are 3 attachments
>> 
>> Dear Client
>> 
>> Due to a periodic update to our Security Certificate on 11/7/2003, you
>> may
>> be experiencing difficulties with our site. The ABN AMRO Morgans site
>> uses
>> digital certificates issued by VeriSign to protect the confidentiality
>> and
>> integrity of your information. VeriSign no longer supports the digital
>> certificates installed in earlier versions of Internet Explorer 5.0 and
>> below or Netscape Communicator 4.6 and below. For this reason, we
>> recommend
>> clients update their systems to the latest browsers if affected by this
>> problem.
>> 
>> Click on the appropriate logo for the latest browser versions:
>> 
>> (Embedded image moved to file: pic25667.gif)
>> (Embedded image moved to file: pic26299.gif)
>> 
>> http://microsoft.com/windows/ie/default.asp
>> http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/default.jsp
>> 
>> 
>> If you are unable to update your browsers (eg Apple Macintosh users can
>> only upgrade to IE 5.2) we recommend updating your browsers' root
>> certificate.
>> Your browser also has a digital certificate, known as 'CA Root
>> Certificate'. This determines the validity of the site you are
>> connected
>> to, and ensures that you don't connect to an invalid site.
>> 
>> Instructions on updating your CA Root Certificate are available on the
>> VeriSign site. Click on the following logo or link for these
>> instructions
>> 
>> (Embedded image moved to file: pic17035.pcx)
>> 
>> http://www.verisign.com.au/support/rootrollover/compatibility.shtml
>> 
>> 
>> If you continue to have problems with our site, please contact
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call Vicki Bennetts in Brisbane on
>> 1800
>> 777 946.
> 
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Re: Chinese language user

[Ryan Jay Schotte]

On 2003-07-23 13:41, "Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 1. under International Preferences, which of the bottom two Chinese
> languages on the list is the simplified Chinese one?
> 2. what behaviour do I select under the Script tab?

No idea. It would probably be obvious if we could read Chinese though.

> 3. after making a language selection under the Input Menu how does a
> person then use the normal English keyboard?

I think it's something like: several key presses will produce one character
in an ideographic language...

> 4. will all Finder menus be in Chinese only or both Chinese and English?

Probably all in Chinese, at least in the Finder. Though trademarks like
"Mac" and "Finder" et cetera may remain in English.

> 5. does the language change also alter third party applications?

In OS X, carbon and cocoa applications can contain as a part of their
application package multiple localised versions of the interface. If the
application has been localised to support the primary language, it will be
use that language. If not, it will pick the next highest on the list in the
International Preferences that it has been localised for.

> 6. is it possible to compose Chinese language web mail using Safari
> and/or Internet Explorer?

That will depend largely on the web mail service.

Ryan

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wanted to buy - early iMac

[Greg Hosking]

Hi all, on the lookout for an early iMac for a friend she doesn't 
need anything flash, will pay up to $350. Please email me offlist with 
price & specs


cheers
Greg

ABN AMRO Morgans Website

[RONDA BROWN]

Hello WAMUGers,
Oh dear, another Website that has gone Anti-Mac.
I use Safari 1.0 (v85) & IE 5.2.3 on iceBook OSX10.2.6
Can someone please explain this ?
How can I check my Investment Portfolio now ?
Many thanks,
Ronni


From: "Erin Bresland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue Jul 22, 2003 9:20:08 AM Australia/Perth
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: ABN AMRO Morgans Website - Security Certificate Update * 
PLEASE READ *

Attachments: There are 3 attachments

Dear Client

Due to a periodic update to our Security Certificate on 11/7/2003, you 
may
be experiencing difficulties with our site. The ABN AMRO Morgans site 
uses
digital certificates issued by VeriSign to protect the confidentiality 
and

integrity of your information. VeriSign no longer supports the digital
certificates installed in earlier versions of Internet Explorer 5.0 and
below or Netscape Communicator 4.6 and below. For this reason, we 
recommend

clients update their systems to the latest browsers if affected by this
problem.

Click on the appropriate logo for the latest browser versions:

(Embedded image moved to file: pic25667.gif)
(Embedded image moved to file: pic26299.gif)

http://microsoft.com/windows/ie/default.asp
http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/default.jsp


If you are unable to update your browsers (eg Apple Macintosh users can
only upgrade to IE 5.2) we recommend updating your browsers' root
certificate.
Your browser also has a digital certificate, known as 'CA Root
Certificate'. This determines the validity of the site you are 
connected

to, and ensures that you don't connect to an invalid site.

Instructions on updating your CA Root Certificate are available on the
VeriSign site. Click on the following logo or link for these 
instructions


(Embedded image moved to file: pic17035.pcx)

http://www.verisign.com.au/support/rootrollover/compatibility.shtml


If you continue to have problems with our site, please contact
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or call Vicki Bennetts in Brisbane on 
1800

777 946.

Chinese language user

[Bob]

Hi All,

I can not read nor write Chinese but would like to create a new user 
on an eMac (OS 10.2.6) using simplified Chinese. This will be for 
e-mail and browser use of a visitor (with limited English skills) 
from China who has never used a Mac.


Although I have consulted the Help viewer it has been of limited 
practical assistance to my poor old stretched brain. I would 
appreciate any help to these preliminary questions -
1. under International Preferences, which of the bottom two Chinese 
languages on the list is the simplified Chinese one?

2. what behaviour do I select under the Script tab?
3. after making a language selection under the Input Menu how does a 
person then use the normal English keyboard?

4. will all Finder menus be in Chinese only or both Chinese and English?
5. does the language change also alter third party applications?
6. is it possible to compose Chinese language web mail using Safari 
and/or Internet Explorer?


Thanks.
Bob

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Re: 8600 power supply

[Chris Griffiths]

Or Desktop Applications
www.desktopapplications.com.au

Suite 71
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on 23/7/2003 10:50 AM, russ7890 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi,
> Does anybody know of a repairer for an 8600 power supply, or anyone selling
> one ?
> 
> Regards
> Russ
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Re: 8600 power supply

[Shay Telfer]

Hi,
Does anybody know of a repairer for an 8600 power supply, or anyone selling
one ?

Regards
Russ


You could try the Computer Trade Centre 
 now at 316 Walcott St. Menora, 
according to their web site.


If you're lucky it's probably the standard fault in the 8600 machines :)

Have fun,
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8600 power supply

[russ7890]

Hi,
Does anybody know of a repairer for an 8600 power supply, or anyone selling 
one ?

Regards
Russ

Bank Fraud

[Ken Jackson]

Thought this may be of interest to all? Some source of comfort?

Hi Ken,

Here is that email in question. ANZ is also targetted. However these emails are 
sent to anyone, whether you are a Westpac or ANZ customer or not. It has been 
closed down twice in the US as that is where they are coming from and they have 
started up again. The Banks are aware sometimes when the person's account is 
attacked and close the accounts down immedatly. They can tell mostly if you log 
onto your account on a regular basis from your usual computer via cookies 
established, and if the cookies don't match, lock you out. All this is done 
regularly by the banks without you even knowing. 

When i recieved mine yesterday I knew it was fate due to a wake 1888 number?, 
wrong log on URL. 



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- Our new security system will help you to avoid
frequently fraud transactions and to keep your 
deposited funds in safety.


- Due to technical update we recommend you to
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To log into your account, please visit the Westpac Bank 
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Your new statement is listed in the left navigation
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please send us a Bank Mail or call us at 
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Re: Sell your music on the iTunes music store

[Mark Secker]

Well, ok, not to Australians :(

not yet... one lives in hope this is not to distant a role out.


Artists get 91%/Agent (CDbaby) gets 9% of sale

Now there's a royalty system I can really support :) :)

... I can see this sort of thing becoming really big with "collage" 
and indie bands that have strong local following (so say like WA's 
"The Stems") can release a local CD but can't currently justify 
having these distributed to more than a handfull of eastern states/ 
US/UK music stores where they are only known because of underground 
and collage radio.

And it sure beats having to order a physical CD over the Internet.




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Why is HTML email *bad* (Was: Re: Bank scam!!!!)

[Onno Benschop]

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 01:51, Denise Williams wrote:
> why is it best to not use HTML email?? I don't quite understand what happens
> when I click to have HTML on or off. TIA

There is nothing inherently bad about HTML email per se, but the problem
is that once you start with it, all manner of other things start to
happen.

Firstly, HTML allows you to link to external objects, which then allow a
spammer to track which emails were actually viewed and when.

Then, because you're encoding all kinds of other stuff inside a HTML
page, a simple message can take up five or more times the space an
equivalent text-only message takes.

Mail programmes sometimes use their own method of displaying HTML -
Eudora for example - which is not always the same as a web-browser would
display it.

HTML allows for JavaScript, so if a sender is allowed to send HTML
email, they need to also allow for JavaScript, which opens up a whole
can of worms in terms of malicious behaviour.

On a more esoteric path, if you allow active content in an email
message, you open yourself up to other active content which can then
facilitate email virus propagation.

The main reason stated for sending HTML email is "But I want to make my
email look pretty/corporate/formatted/designed." - Having just read the
preceding paragraphs, you can understand that this does not actually
succeed, because HTML is not meant - nor was it ever - to actually
accomplish this.

So, how do you then achieve the stated reasons?

Send an attachment.

Let me say that again.

If you want to send pretty email, send an attachment.

Of course if you want to be bandwidth friendly - given that recipients
pay for receiving email - more bytes = more dollars - you'd be an even
better email citizen if you sent attachments only if requested by the
recipient and sent URLs to the information in *all* other cases.

But then, some people don't have access to a web-server to put content
on, so people can actually get the attachment via the web. (Although 99%
of Internet accounts in Australia do in fact come with more or less
web-space.)

So, hope this helps,


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Re: Mime attachments

[Onno Benschop]

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 05:23, Peter Sealy wrote:
> So, how can I open mime attachments? I have looked at the list archives 
> but found nothing or was not searching correctly.

This is a challenging question, because the whole purpose of MIME is to
facilitate attachments transparently.

The likely cause of your problem stems from a broken sender, but
sometimes the recipients' email program can be the problem. Pegasus Mail
was notoriously bad for example.

The most simple fix is to save the whole message, not just the
attachment, and drop the file onto stuffit expander.

Hope this helps.

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Sell your music on the iTunes music store

[Shay Telfer]

Well, ok, not to Australians :(

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Re: Mime attachments

[Shay Telfer]

I guess that this plagues everyone at some time or other. A PC wielding
friend sends me emails with attachments I can not open. They are mime
attachments. One is mime type-image/jpeg and another is mime type
image/gif. I am using Apple's mail.app on OS X 10.2.6. I have tried
Stuffit Expander, Graphic Converter and a few other graphic image apps
. I have asked her to not send as a mime attachment but she just resent
it as the image/gif. It is a letter type of communication which she has
just dropped into her email and it is not an alternative to simply type
out the letter in the email body. This is a person who does not know
how to spell Apple let alone know how to communicate with one, other
than simple email! And no, a solution is not to dump this very long
standing friend of the family.
So, how can I open mime attachments? I have looked at the list archives
but found nothing or was not searching correctly.
Thanks
.

Peter Sealy
Thurgoona AUSTRALIA


There are numerous posts on the net about Mail.app not handling 
Base64 attachments properly (possibly because the sender's software 
incorrectly attaches them in the first place).


Stuffit Expander should be able to decode Base64 encoded messages, so 
I'm not sure why it's not working for you. Failing that, if you're 
happy to use the command line you can do the following from the 
terminal:



No need to download anything or save the mail. Copy the message and in
Terminal you can do:

pbpaste | openssl base64 -d


or alternatively, switch to a different mail application (like Eudora :)

Good luck,
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