Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Jeff Schmitz]

Hello,
  If I have a Java servlet that gets a session variable from an http  
request as follows:


	protected void doGet(HttpServletRequest request, HttpServletResponse  
response) throws ServletException, IOException {


HttpSession session = request.getSession();

How might I go about retrieving the same session variable in a  
WebObjects 5.3 directAction?


Thanks,
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Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Fredrik Lindgren]

Thank you! That was it!

/Fredrik

4 jul 2006 kl. 15.49 skrev Mike Schrag:

JSONRPCBridge uses classes from Servlets, so make sure you have  
servlet.jar in your /Library/Java/Extensions folder (or /Library/ 
WebObjects/Extensions).


ms

On Jul 4, 2006, at 9:16 AM, Fredrik Lindgren wrote:


When trying Davids sample on a MacBook with I get this error:
http://192.168.0.3:49378/cgi-bin/WebObjects/TacowAjaxDemoX.woa
[2006-07-04 14:48:43 CEST]  null
[2006-07-04 14:48:42 CEST]  Waiting for requests...
[2006-07-04 14:48:45 CEST]  socket=null> Throwable occurred: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError
[2006-07-04 14:48:45 CEST]   
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError
	at com.metaparadigm.jsonrpc.JSONRPCBridge.class$ 
(JSONRPCBridge.java:77)


It works great on my cube though when running Jean-François'  
example it complains about this import

import javax.servlet.http.HttpSession;

The class does not exist.

This also works great on the cube. What could be missing?

/Fredrik
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18 maj 2006 kl. 15.46 skrev David LeBer:


On 18-May-06, at 9:36 AM, Wolfram Stebel wrote:


Am 18.05.2006 14:23 Uhr schrieb "Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2" unter
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Hi,

I want integrate AJAX in my WO apps, but i'm facing big  
problems. The

biggest problems i see is the stucture of a WO application.

Has anybody gained experience of WO-AJAX integration  ?  (I  
wanna work with

the DOJO Toolkit, but the tookit is not important)

Hi

there is a framework with samples from

Jean-François Veillette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

He mailed it to some people a while ago. Ask for a copy :-)

It simply works, but i didn't try to set up an own project with it.
This might be a small hurdle at all.


Jean-François' framework was Wonderized by Anjo into the  
Ajax.Framework in Project WONDER and Mike Schrag has done a ton  
of work adding additional components.



Jean-François' original framework is available on WOCode.com.



I posted a small demo app that I used to demo the Ajax.Framework  
at the last tacow meeting.



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Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Mike Schrag]

JSONRPCBridge uses classes from Servlets, so make sure you have  
servlet.jar in your /Library/Java/Extensions folder (or /Library/ 
WebObjects/Extensions).


ms

On Jul 4, 2006, at 9:16 AM, Fredrik Lindgren wrote:


When trying Davids sample on a MacBook with I get this error:
http://192.168.0.3:49378/cgi-bin/WebObjects/TacowAjaxDemoX.woa
[2006-07-04 14:48:43 CEST]  null
[2006-07-04 14:48:42 CEST]  Waiting for requests...
[2006-07-04 14:48:45 CEST]  socket=null> Throwable occurred: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError
[2006-07-04 14:48:45 CEST]   
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError
	at com.metaparadigm.jsonrpc.JSONRPCBridge.class$ 
(JSONRPCBridge.java:77)


It works great on my cube though when running Jean-François'  
example it complains about this import

import javax.servlet.http.HttpSession;

The class does not exist.

This also works great on the cube. What could be missing?

/Fredrik
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18 maj 2006 kl. 15.46 skrev David LeBer:


On 18-May-06, at 9:36 AM, Wolfram Stebel wrote:


Am 18.05.2006 14:23 Uhr schrieb "Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2" unter
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Hi,

I want integrate AJAX in my WO apps, but i'm facing big  
problems. The

biggest problems i see is the stucture of a WO application.

Has anybody gained experience of WO-AJAX integration  ?  (I  
wanna work with

the DOJO Toolkit, but the tookit is not important)

Hi

there is a framework with samples from

Jean-François Veillette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

He mailed it to some people a while ago. Ask for a copy :-)

It simply works, but i didn't try to set up an own project with it.
This might be a small hurdle at all.


Jean-François' framework was Wonderized by Anjo into the  
Ajax.Framework in Project WONDER and Mike Schrag has done a ton of  
work adding additional components.



Jean-François' original framework is available on WOCode.com.



I posted a small demo app that I used to demo the Ajax.Framework  
at the last tacow meeting.



--
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Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Fredrik Lindgren]

When trying Davids sample on a MacBook with I get this error:
http://192.168.0.3:49378/cgi-bin/WebObjects/TacowAjaxDemoX.woa
[2006-07-04 14:48:43 CEST]  null
[2006-07-04 14:48:42 CEST]  Waiting for requests...
[2006-07-04 14:48:45 CEST]  socket=null> Throwable occurred: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError
[2006-07-04 14:48:45 CEST]   
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError

at com.metaparadigm.jsonrpc.JSONRPCBridge.class$(JSONRPCBridge.java:77)

It works great on my cube though when running Jean-François' example  
it complains about this import

import javax.servlet.http.HttpSession;

The class does not exist.

This also works great on the cube. What could be missing?

/Fredrik
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18 maj 2006 kl. 15.46 skrev David LeBer:


On 18-May-06, at 9:36 AM, Wolfram Stebel wrote:


Am 18.05.2006 14:23 Uhr schrieb "Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2" unter
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Hi,

I want integrate AJAX in my WO apps, but i'm facing big problems.  
The

biggest problems i see is the stucture of a WO application.

Has anybody gained experience of WO-AJAX integration  ?  (I wanna  
work with

the DOJO Toolkit, but the tookit is not important)

Hi

there is a framework with samples from

Jean-François Veillette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

He mailed it to some people a while ago. Ask for a copy :-)

It simply works, but i didn't try to set up an own project with it.
This might be a small hurdle at all.


Jean-François' framework was Wonderized by Anjo into the  
Ajax.Framework in Project WONDER and Mike Schrag has done a ton of  
work adding additional components.



Jean-François' original framework is available on WOCode.com.



I posted a small demo app that I used to demo the Ajax.Framework at  
the last tacow meeting.



--
;david

--
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Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Pierce T. Wetter III]

On May 23, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:

Contributions of any kind are welcomed ... My goal recently with  
the framework has been to provide all the Ajax capabilities that  
Ruby brags of, but in the WO-way.  I know you aren't a component- 
action fan :) ,


 Actually, I LOVE component actions. I just tell my engineers I  
better see a  tag somewhere... And component actions would be  
great for lots of Ajax stuff, because you want to be able to pull  
state into the URL.



but that's been my focus with the framework recently -- so that  
it's not just a thin wrapper around the libraries, rather you  
actually get some of the WO component-action-style "magic" with it  
too (drag-and-drop is a good example of that ... It actually lets  
you drag and drop real objects (as far as your components are  
concerned) vs just having ID's passed around -- feels too servlety  
to me :) ).  However, having a good set of DirectAction-based Ajax  
tools would be very cool, and I do have wikibook fetish as of late,  
so I'm all for documentation as well.  I would say to take your  
pick, because people will be into either one, I think.


  Well, I'll start on the wikibook stuff and we'll go from there.

 Pierce

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Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Paul Lynch]

On 23 May 2006, at 18:49, Pierce T. Wetter III wrote:


The first problems arise with the following statements:


dojo.require("dojo.widget.Button2");


The problem here was because the OP copied it directly (with errors)  
from the dojo wiki tutorial page.


 Instead, forget completely about WO. The HelloWorld example seems  
to have disappeared, but it had almost no server side code in it  
anyways.


Looks like it was edited out of their wiki, for unobvious reasons.   
As usual, Google comes to the rescue:


http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:a3BebLLzbVAJ:dojo.jot.com/ 
WikiHome/Tutorials/HelloWorld%3Frevision%3D41


And I have to endorse Pierce's very sensible advice:

Get dojo working in a plain .html file _first_. When you have that  
working. move the .html into a .wo file, and get that working  
(you'll have to fix things like the leading slash above). When you  
have that working, then you can worry about the "response" portion  
of Ajax, and that's when you'll need something like WOActionURL, or  
Mike's toolkit.


  At that point, myself or others on the list can help you. But at  
that point you should be asking more detailed questions like "how  
do I build a URL to shove in this bit of JavaScript code". Rather  
than "how do I integrate Ajax with WO".


Paul
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Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Mike Schrag]

Contributions of any kind are welcomed ... My goal recently with the  
framework has been to provide all the Ajax capabilities that Ruby  
brags of, but in the WO-way.  I know you aren't a component-action  
fan :) , but that's been my focus with the framework recently -- so  
that it's not just a thin wrapper around the libraries, rather you  
actually get some of the WO component-action-style "magic" with it  
too (drag-and-drop is a good example of that ... It actually lets you  
drag and drop real objects (as far as your components are concerned)  
vs just having ID's passed around -- feels too servlety to me :) ).   
However, having a good set of DirectAction-based Ajax tools would be  
very cool, and I do have wikibook fetish as of late, so I'm all for  
documentation as well.  I would say to take your pick, because people  
will be into either one, I think.


ms

On May 23, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Pierce T. Wetter III wrote:



On May 23, 2006, at 11:21 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:

For the record, I'm only one of about three people who have worked  
on Wonder's Ajax framework ... Don't want too much credit  
attributed :)


 Ah, then there shouldn't be any issues if I make additions to it,  
as long as I follow my own advice and document them well.


 Or would you rather I spent time on the documentation? It's almost  
easier for me to do that at the moment...


 Pierce



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Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Pierce T. Wetter III]

On May 23, 2006, at 11:21 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:

For the record, I'm only one of about three people who have worked  
on Wonder's Ajax framework ... Don't want too much credit  
attributed :)


 Ah, then there shouldn't be any issues if I make additions to it,  
as long as I follow my own advice and document them well.


 Or would you rather I spent time on the documentation? It's almost  
easier for me to do that at the moment...


 Pierce

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Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

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For the record, I'm only one of about three people who have worked on Wonder's Ajax framework ... Don't want too much credit attributed :)msOn May 23, 2006, at 1:49 PM, Pierce T. Wetter III wrote:Mike's toolkit  ___
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Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Pierce T. Wetter III]

So exactly what problems are you having with dojo/wo? Consider that
the problem may be dojo, not WO in particular. You could easily
create a WODynamicElement for every new dojo tag, collect them in
components, and have something much easier to use then straight dojo.



I have tried to run the sample dojo application under WO, but without
success. I have the job to port an existing java-app to WO/AJAX.  
But without
official WO docs, i have no plan how to do this. I tried to run the  
dojo

example to understand how i can integrate a dojo widget and let it
communicate with the WO server.

The first problems arise with the following statements:


dojo.require("dojo.widget.Button2");



 Well, you're missing HTML and Javascript..

This line is HTML:



This line is Javascript:
dojo.require("dojo.widget.Button2");

This should be:



dojo.require("dojo.widget.Button2");


Also, the path you have is wrong, since its relative, you probably  
want a leading slash:




Because otherwise its going to try to pull from "/cgi-bin/WebObjects/ 
YourApp.woa/js/dojo/dojo.js" or whatever instead of:


"/js/dojo/dojo.js"

I haven't done any WO stuff yet...




Then i have to call a java method on server on occurence of events  
to get
actual data.  But you have said that this is possible with direct  
actions
using WOActionURL. I have to try it. But are direct actions  
compatible with

sessions?



  Yes. Sessions are "optional" with direct actions, while they're  
not for "component actions", because a component action URL of the form:


  1.2.3.4

  means:

   go to 4th child of 3rd child of 2nd component of 1st page

 which implies that the WO server has kept a history of all that so  
it can look up which component "1.2.3.4" references.







I also think, that from this example, dojo is a bit weak as a
Javascript toolkit. You'll spend a lot of time wiring stuff up in
Javascript with Dojo compared to Prototype. Or contrast dojo with the
Yahoo UI library:



I explored some AJAX libraries like RICO, but decided to use dojo,  
because

of the rich widget set. But i can you the yahoo toolkit too, if i can
integrate it easily in WO.



 There's the zimbra toolkit too.




Pierce, can you write a small exaple app (Xcode project), just like  
the dojo
HelloWorld example, to show how the integration of the Yahoo UI (if  
you wish
Rico ...) can be accomplished in WebObjects? I think that i'm not  
the person

alone facing big problems with AJAX and WO.



 No, because I don't have the spare time and I don't think it WO  
that's the problem, I think its the Ajax.


 Adding "AJAX" to an application, no matter what the application  
framework is not an easy task. You have to understand the DOM, how  
javascript interacts with the DOM, the javascript library(ies) you're  
using, how the application server responds to requests, XML, how to  
generate XML with your application framework, SOAP and HTML.


 Those are the foundations you have to build on. Once you have that  
under your belt, integrating with WO is trivial. There are some  
tricks you can do to make it easier like Mike's Ajax toolkit in  
Project Wonder has done, but that's icing.


 Instead, forget completely about WO. The HelloWorld example seems  
to have disappeared, but it had almost no server side code in it  
anyways. Get dojo working in a plain .html file _first_. When you  
have that working. move the .html into a .wo file, and get that  
working (you'll have to fix things like the leading slash above).  
When you have that working, then you can worry about the "response"  
portion of Ajax, and that's when you'll need something like  
WOActionURL, or Mike's toolkit.


  At that point, myself or others on the list can help you. But at  
that point you should be asking more detailed questions like "how do  
I build a URL to shove in this bit of JavaScript code". Rather than  
"how do I integrate Ajax with WO".


 Pierce

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Re: [Wonder-disc] Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Pierce T. Wetter III]

On May 23, 2006, at 1:05 AM, Anjo Krank wrote:


Am 23.05.2006 um 08:25 schrieb Mike Schrag:

I put up some initial docs on the components available in Wonder's  
Ajax framework to try to address some of the "documentation gap".


Brrr. What a pompous asshole... I thought about writing something  
re his "myth" stuff, but why bother.


 Obviously this mail wasn't meant to be sent to two mailing lists.  
I apologize for that, but I'm really short fused when I hear this  
"Wonder has no docs" crap over and over and over again.




 Well, I'll let it go this time, but I'm pretty furious about being  
insulted in public, not to mention having personal information spread  
across the list. I'm under a lot of stress right now, I didn't need  
more. If you have a problem with me in the future, talk to me, not  
the mailing list. Email is an imperfect medium; always assume that  
how you took something may not be how it was meant. In return, I'd  
like you to grant me a moment of your time, and listen with an open  
heart.


 In this case, I don't think I said "no docs" I said there was a gap  
and I wasn't just talking about Wonder, I was talking about WO in  
general. I'll probably keep bitching about the WO documentation until  
there's a book at least as good as the Rails book on WebObjects. The  
newbies need a step by step guide that points them towards D2W and  
Direct Actions and away from component actions. Even Apple isn't  
immune, look at store.apple.com or jobs.apple.com.


 As far as Wonder goes, I was only referring to the new Ajax  
Framework of Mike, and it looks like he's doing a great job of  
addressing it. Good enough in fact, that I'm going to approach him  
about working together on the Ajax framework instead of rolling my  
own and having to reconcile them later. I think I'll even contribute  
to his docs.


But obviously there is a gap, or people wouldn't keep saying "no  
docs". If one person says "you have a big nose", they're a pompous  
asshole. If two people say "you have a big nose", they're probably  
still pompous assholes, but you probably have a big nose. (Note: I  
have no idea what Anjo looks like.) Even open source/free projects  
needs to listen to their customers, and in this case, the customers  
are saying "we'd like more docs".


 Now at least part of the problem is that someone new to Wonder is  
pointed at wonder.sf.net, and sort of left there.  Wonder does have  
"javadoc" documentation that I've been able to find, and I've seen  
short articles here and there about Wonder, but if you go to  
wonder.sf.net, there is no tab that says "documentation". I think I  
found the javadoc documentation by accident via google, later on I  
found a link in the "news section".


 And personally, I think this trend of lazy programmers to just  
throw together some javadoc documentation and consider themselves  
done isn't that great. (You'd think they'd at least run doxygen to  
get slightly better looking docs.) Wonder has gotten fairly big, and  
now has numerous libraries, some of which are orthogonal to each  
other. But god knows what exactly you need to install if you want one  
feature over another... (unless you read the top level README.txt  
file, but then you've downloaded everything...)


 So Anjo, if you're tired of hearing no docs "crap":

   1. Make a web page that links to all the existing Wonder articles  
and such from sf.net to stepwise or wherever. Put THAT on the getting  
started page.  In general, ask yourself: What can I find out about  
Wonder from wonder.sf.net? What can I find from Google? Why isn't  
that the same set of information.


   2. Try doxygen instead of javadoc, and put the link up on the  
main sf site. Reading javadoc makes my eyes bleed.


   3. Pull some of the contents from the various README files into  
web pages on sf.net. Start with the very top README.txt file, there's  
no reason why someone should have to download the whole set of source  
code to find out what's in "Adaptors".


   4. Break the Orthogonal components into separate downloads so  
newbies can ease into Wonder.


   I think at least some of the complaints would go away at that point.

 Pierce
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Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

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On May 22, 2006, at 11:25 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:I put up some initial docs on the components available in Wonder's Ajax framework to try to address some of the "documentation gap".  It's just the initial pass, and there's obviously more that can be done.  Anything that is explained in Scriptaculous or Prototype docs, for instance, is not further documented at the moment, only that the particular bindings exist.http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects/Project_WONDER/Frameworks/Ajax  Hey, that looks great.   Thanks for doing that, I'd looked through the Ajax stuff several times and managed to miss the whole "AjaxUpdateLink" action.  Pierce ___
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Re: [Wonder-disc] Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Anjo Krank]

Am 23.05.2006 um 10:05 schrieb Anjo Krank:


Am 23.05.2006 um 08:25 schrieb Mike Schrag:

I put up some initial docs on the components available in Wonder's  
Ajax framework to try to address some of the "documentation gap".


Brrr. What a pompous asshole... and to think I pointed him towards  
the iTunes store... I thought about writing something re his "myth"  
stuff, but why bother.


Obviously this mail wasn't meant to be sent to two mailing lists. I  
apologize for that, but I'm really short fused when I hear this  
"Wonder has no docs" crap over and over and over again.


Still, I'm sorry to have posted that - and not only because of my  
mistake of sending it to the lists.


Cheers, Anjo


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Re: [Wonder-disc] Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Anjo Krank]

Am 23.05.2006 um 08:25 schrieb Mike Schrag:

I put up some initial docs on the components available in Wonder's  
Ajax framework to try to address some of the "documentation gap".


Brrr. What a pompous asshole... and to think I pointed him towards  
the iTunes store... I thought about writing something re his "myth"  
stuff, but why bother.


It's just the initial pass, and there's obviously more that can be  
done.  Anything that is explained in Scriptaculous or Prototype  
docs, for instance, is not further documented at the moment, only  
that the particular bindings exist.


http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects/Project_WONDER/ 
Frameworks/Ajax


Have you found any easy material on how you can write your own  
components with the scriptaculous stuff? I`m still struggling with  
the Flyover (mainly because I need to handle two different use cases  
and try to roll them in one).


Cheers, Anjo

PS: just tried the Popup example. Cool!

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RE: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2]

Pierce, thank you for the informative response.

I'm lucky that i (WO newbie) have the opportunity to communicate with an
AJAX && WebObjects  expert.

> So exactly what problems are you having with dojo/wo? Consider that
> the problem may be dojo, not WO in particular. You could easily
> create a WODynamicElement for every new dojo tag, collect them in
> components, and have something much easier to use then straight dojo.

I have tried to run the sample dojo application under WO, but without
success. I have the job to port an existing java-app to WO/AJAX. But without
official WO docs, i have no plan how to do this. I tried to run the dojo
example to understand how i can integrate a dojo widget and let it
communicate with the WO server.

The first problems arise with the following statements:


dojo.require("dojo.widget.Button2");

Then i have to call a java method on server on occurence of events to get
actual data.  But you have said that this is possible with direct actions
using WOActionURL. I have to try it. But are direct actions compatible with
sessions?

> I also think, that from this example, dojo is a bit weak as a
> Javascript toolkit. You'll spend a lot of time wiring stuff up in
> Javascript with Dojo compared to Prototype. Or contrast dojo with the
> Yahoo UI library:

I explored some AJAX libraries like RICO, but decided to use dojo, because
of the rich widget set. But i can you the yahoo toolkit too, if i can
integrate it easily in WO.

Pierce, can you write a small exaple app (Xcode project), just like the dojo
HelloWorld example, to show how the integration of the Yahoo UI (if you wish
Rico ...) can be accomplished in WebObjects? I think that i'm not the person
alone facing big problems with AJAX and WO.

Excuse me for my poor english.

Greetings,
Ahmet

>> Hi Mike,
>> 
>> I'm primarily interested in general widgets and form widgets.
>> 
>> I'm tired of trying to bring together WO and Dojo, so wanna give
>> up. I think
>> WebObjects clashes with AJAX. It doesn't make sense to use AJAX with
>> WebObjects.
>> 
>> If anybody wants to convince me of the opposite, i'm willing ...
> 
> Easy enough, I've been doing a lot of this lately. Warning, its
> going to be long, because I've been thinking about writing a post
> like this for a long time. I hereby give permission in advance if
> anyone wants to put this post on a website somewhere, just please
> attribute it and email me.
> 
> 
> Myth: Rails is a better framework for Ajax then WO.
> 
> Reality: WebObjects is actually a better framework for use with
> WebObjects then Rails because it has a better component system then
> Rails. You spend a lot of time coding little tiny XML and HTML
> generators when doing Ajax and WO's component system makes that very
> DRY (Don't Repeat Yourself).
> 
> Myth: WebObjects is hard to use with Ajax.
> 
> Reality: WebObjects is easy to use with Ajax, its just that there
> is only one known library for Ajax-WO support, and its not well
> documented. Even then the library only goes so far in that it just
> provides new components to wrap a few script.aculo.us tags. I think
> its more of a documentation gap, not a code gap.
> 
>  Additionally, the WO documentation has always pushed people
> erroneously towards component actions and away from direct actions.
> If you use 90% direct actions like I do in my application, (See my
> "WebObjects on Rails" post), you'll find that direct actions are
> simple to code in reality, and very much like Rails which basically
> doesn't have component actions at all.
> 
> Myth: You can't assign the name or id value of tags in WebObjects.
> I'm mentioning this one explicitly, because I had someone ask me
> about this recently, because they were trying to assign a WYSIWYG
> JavaScript editor to a text area.
> 
> Reality:
> 
> Actually, what really happens is that if you DON'T have a
> name=value or id=value line for your TextArea in WebObjects, it will
> generate a unique one for you. But you're more then welcome to
> specify one in your .wod file, and WO will use that. It's then up to
> _you_ to make sure its unique, so that you don't have multiple text
> area tags with the same name. In other words if you only have one
> textarea you wish to attach a Javascript WYSIWYG editor to, just add:
> 
> textarea: WOText
> {
> id='wysiwyg';
> name='wysiwyg';
> value=textValue;
> }
> in your .wod file and you can use id with your Javascript just fine.
> 
> Myth: WebObjects generates HTML
> 
> Reality:
> 
>   Just because the components of your .wo file are .html and .wod
> doesn't mean WebObjects can only generate HTML. WebObjects is really
> at heart, a very, very, very, complicated printf. The result of a
> component can be HTML, XML, JavaScript, or even binary data. You can
> actually put whatever you want in the .HTML and treat WebObjects like
> a giant merge engine. For instance, you could generate PDF files
> using WebObjects; they're just text, and you could substitute text
> into t

Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Mike Schrag]

I put up some initial docs on the components available in Wonder's Ajax framework to try to address some of the "documentation gap".  It's just the initial pass, and there's obviously more that can be done.  Anything that is explained in Scriptaculous or Prototype docs, for instance, is not further documented at the moment, only that the particular bindings exist.http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects/Project_WONDER/Frameworks/AjaxOn May 20, 2006, at 9:49 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:Thanks Pierce --http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects/Alternative_Technologies/Ruby_on_RailsI'll link it off the Ajax pages when those go up too.On May 19, 2006, at 1:48 PM, Pierce T. Wetter III wrote: Easy enough, I've been doing a lot of this lately. Warning, its going to be long, because I've been thinking about writing a post like this for a long time. I hereby give permission in advance if anyone wants to put this post on a website somewhere, just please attribute it and email me.  ___Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.Webobjects-dev mailing list      (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com)Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mschrag%40mdimension.comThis email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ___
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Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

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Thanks Pierce --http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects/Alternative_Technologies/Ruby_on_RailsI'll link it off the Ajax pages when those go up too.On May 19, 2006, at 1:48 PM, Pierce T. Wetter III wrote: Easy enough, I've been doing a lot of this lately. Warning, its going to be long, because I've been thinking about writing a post like this for a long time. I hereby give permission in advance if anyone wants to put this post on a website somewhere, just please attribute it and email me.  ___
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Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Mike Schrag]

WOW! Thanks Pierce.

I vote for inclusion of this on the WikiBook.


It will be -- it made my "interesting post" list, I'm just not up to  
current yet :)  But if someone wants to put it in there before me,  
that's fine too ... There's a top level Ajax entry that's empty at  
the moment.


ms
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Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Pierce T. Wetter III]

On May 19, 2006, at 11:53 AM, Chuck Hill wrote:


Pierce, thank  you.  That was superb!  One small edit and a note:

On May 19, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Pierce T. Wetter III wrote:


 Reality: WebObjects is actually a better framework for use with  
WebObjects then Rails because it has a better component system  
then Rails.


Think this should read Reality: WebObjects is actually a better  
framework for use with AJAX than Rails because it has a better  
component system then Rails.


 Doh. Yep.





 [[[However, there's a gotcha there, because component actions  
called from javascript count towards your backtracking count.  
Since someone might be going down through the page clicking rating  
after rating, that could be a problem. If your max backtracking  
count was 10, and you had 20 postings on a page, they wouldn't be  
able to rate the 11th page. ]]]


To avoid problems like this, I have added methods like this to  
Session:


public void savePage(WOComponent aPage)
{
if (shouldCachePage(aPage))
{
super.savePage(aPage);
}
}




/**
 * Returns true if the passed WOComponent is  
eligible to be added to the page cache.  This is used to keep pages  
that do not need to be cached from the page cache.  For example,  
pages that are generated only from Direct Actions and which do not  
contain Component Action URLs do not need to be cached.

 *
 * @param aPage the WOComponent to check for eligibility
 * @return true if the passed WOComponent is  
eligible to be added to the page cache

 */
public boolean shouldCachePage(WOComponent aPage)
{
return ! (aPage instanceof PartialPage);
}


Where PartialPage is an interface that components can implement to  
indicate that they don't belong in the page cache.


  Hey, great tip. That makes component actions easier to use with Ajax.

  Hmmm... So I'll have to go adjust my component class hierarchy:

  WOComponent
EZComponent
  EZPagelet
 EZPage

  So both EZPagelet and EZPage can pull stuff out of a direct action  
URL via key value coding, but EZPagelet's default to not being  
cacheable. I can avoid the "instance of" call by doing:


public void savePage(WOComponent aPage)
{
if (((EZPagelet) aPage).shouldCache())
{
super.savePage(aPage);
}
}

and making sure that EZPagelet and EZPage both implement shouldCache 
() (pagelet returns false, page returns true).


  That's going to enforce that all direct actions are subclasses of   
EZPage or EZPagelet, but that's a good thing for security anyways.


 Pierce


 
   
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Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Pierce T. Wetter III]

I read your earlier "WebObjects on Rails" post with much interest  
and started to throw together a small sample application that used  
EZ... classes.  I slowed and stalled because I had to fill in a lot  
of the gaps -- I'm not adverse to doing that, but time is money/ 
precious and I'll have to wait till the weekend to get the spare  
time!!


In reading your posting today, I had the same, "this is neat, I  
need to try this" desire.


Where I'm headed with this is to wonder if you have a small,  
functional example of the various ideas you've put together on this  
topic or, if not, if this is something that you think would be good  
to do.  People learn by example and I'd be happy to assist in  
putting something together.




  The Wrox site has the sample code from my old book chapter, let me  
look...  here it is, you want Chapter 7:


http://support.apress.com/books.asp?bID=1861004311&s=0

  As for the Ajax stuff, the problem is that Marketocracy is  
Objective-C not Java, so all my stuff is coded in ObjC at the moment.  
That's why my posts have been more "conceptual" then "code" lately.  
It's the same API, but I don't want to scare people with lots of [].


  I interviewed at the iTMS on Monday, so maybe that will change. :-)

  What I really want to do though is put this all together into a  
framework to help jumpstart people with WO. Wonder is cool, but its  
kind of more focused at the advanced WO practitioner then someone who  
just wants to get something done.


   Maybe Wonder just needs a "WO Recipes" section. I've come to love  
Recipes books...


In passing, I'll note that the aspects of WebObjects that you are  
highlighting are the ones that I find so powerful.  Many people say  
the power of WO is EOF, and while EOF is an astonishing piece of  
work, I'll argue that WO without EOF is still extremely powerful.   
I particularly like your "Myth: WebObjects generates HTML" comment!


Thanks for your contribution, you're more articulate than I would  
be on this ...


 Thanks, its very encouraging when I get feedback like this from one  
of my long posts.


 Pierce
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Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Chuck Hill]

Pierce, thank  you.  That was superb!  One small edit and a note:

On May 19, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Pierce T. Wetter III wrote:


 Reality: WebObjects is actually a better framework for use with  
WebObjects then Rails because it has a better component system then  
Rails.


Think this should read Reality: WebObjects is actually a better  
framework for use with AJAX than Rails



 [[[However, there's a gotcha there, because component actions  
called from javascript count towards your backtracking count. Since  
someone might be going down through the page clicking rating after  
rating, that could be a problem. If your max backtracking count was  
10, and you had 20 postings on a page, they wouldn't be able to  
rate the 11th page. ]]]



To avoid problems like this, I have added methods like this to Session:

public void savePage(WOComponent aPage)
{
if (shouldCachePage(aPage))
{
super.savePage(aPage);
}
}




/**
 * Returns true if the passed WOComponent is  
eligible to be added to the page cache.  This is used to keep pages  
that do not need to be cached from the page cache.  For example,  
pages that are generated only from Direct Actions and which do not  
contain Component Action URLs do not need to be cached.

 *
 * @param aPage the WOComponent to check for eligibility
 * @return true if the passed WOComponent is  
eligible to be added to the page cache

 */
public boolean shouldCachePage(WOComponent aPage)
{
return ! (aPage instanceof PartialPage);
}


Where PartialPage is an interface that components can implement to  
indicate that they don't belong in the page cache.


Chuck

--
Coming in late 2006 - an introduction to web applications using  
WebObjects and Xcode http://www.global-village.net/wointro


Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their  
overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific  
problems.http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects





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Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[David LeBer]

On 19-May-06, at 1:48 PM, Pierce T. Wetter III wrote:


Hi Mike,

I'm primarily interested in general widgets and form widgets.

I'm tired of trying to bring together WO and Dojo, so wanna give  
up. I think

WebObjects clashes with AJAX. It doesn't make sense to use AJAX with
WebObjects.

If anybody wants to convince me of the opposite, i'm willing ...


 Easy enough, I've been doing a lot of this lately. Warning, its  
going to be long, because I've been thinking about writing a post  
like this for a long time. I hereby give permission in advance if  
anyone wants to put this post on a website somewhere, just please  
attribute it and email me.


WOW! Thanks Pierce.

I vote for inclusion of this on the WikiBook.




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Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Pierce T. Wetter III]

Hi Mike,

I'm primarily interested in general widgets and form widgets.

I'm tired of trying to bring together WO and Dojo, so wanna give  
up. I think

WebObjects clashes with AJAX. It doesn't make sense to use AJAX with
WebObjects.

If anybody wants to convince me of the opposite, i'm willing ...


 Easy enough, I've been doing a lot of this lately. Warning, its  
going to be long, because I've been thinking about writing a post  
like this for a long time. I hereby give permission in advance if  
anyone wants to put this post on a website somewhere, just please  
attribute it and email me.



 Myth: Rails is a better framework for Ajax then WO.

 Reality: WebObjects is actually a better framework for use with  
WebObjects then Rails because it has a better component system then  
Rails. You spend a lot of time coding little tiny XML and HTML  
generators when doing Ajax and WO's component system makes that very  
DRY (Don't Repeat Yourself).


 Myth: WebObjects is hard to use with Ajax.

 Reality: WebObjects is easy to use with Ajax, its just that there  
is only one known library for Ajax-WO support, and its not well  
documented. Even then the library only goes so far in that it just  
provides new components to wrap a few script.aculo.us tags. I think  
its more of a documentation gap, not a code gap.


  Additionally, the WO documentation has always pushed people  
erroneously towards component actions and away from direct actions.   
If you use 90% direct actions like I do in my application, (See my  
"WebObjects on Rails" post), you'll find that direct actions are  
simple to code in reality, and very much like Rails which basically  
doesn't have component actions at all.


 Myth: You can't assign the name or id value of tags in WebObjects.  
I'm mentioning this one explicitly, because I had someone ask me  
about this recently, because they were trying to assign a WYSIWYG  
JavaScript editor to a text area.


 Reality:

 Actually, what really happens is that if you DON'T have a  
name=value or id=value line for your TextArea in WebObjects, it will  
generate a unique one for you. But you're more then welcome to  
specify one in your .wod file, and WO will use that. It's then up to  
_you_ to make sure its unique, so that you don't have multiple text  
area tags with the same name. In other words if you only have one  
textarea you wish to attach a Javascript WYSIWYG editor to, just add:


textarea: WOText
{
 id='wysiwyg';
 name='wysiwyg';
 value=textValue;
}
in your .wod file and you can use id with your Javascript just fine.

 Myth: WebObjects generates HTML

 Reality:

   Just because the components of your .wo file are .html and .wod  
doesn't mean WebObjects can only generate HTML. WebObjects is really  
at heart, a very, very, very, complicated printf. The result of a  
component can be HTML, XML, JavaScript, or even binary data. You can  
actually put whatever you want in the .HTML and treat WebObjects like  
a giant merge engine. For instance, you could generate PDF files  
using WebObjects; they're just text, and you could substitute text  
into the middle of the PDF boilerplate pretty easily.



 Background:

We haven't used a lot of JavaScript at www.marketocracy.com, for  
a very simple reason: We don't have the testing staff to fire up 10  
different browser variations to test the site. And lets face it,  
programming in JavaScript sucks.


Since someone invented that cool acronym though, that's  
changing. You would think it shouldn't matter that something has a  
name, but it does. I remember when the GoF Design Patterns book came  
out. There was nothing in there I hadn't figured out on my own, but  
now they had a name! I could say "Singleton" to my co-workers and  
they would know what I was talking about. I could buy a junior  
engineer the book, and he would soon be programming at a much higher  
level.


   So having a name helped, and the result is that there are a lot  
of cool toolkits out there. Since someone else wrote the JavaScript,  
that means I don't need to test 10 different browser variations.


  Which means I can make the site much easier to use and more  
interactive. Huzzah!


 Research:

  So the first thing I did was that I'd heard that Rails was cool  
and made Ajax easy. I'd heard that before, but that was when the  
version number was 0.13... So I went out and bought the Rails books  
and you know what I found?


  It's not that Rails rocks with Ajax, its that the Prototype  
Javascript library rocks. The documentation makes a big deal about  
doing Ajax with one line of code.


 
 <%= link_to_remote  [div to update] [link options] -> %>


The reality is that all Rails is doing is writing one line of  
JavaScript. From the Ajaxy "rating" code I've been adding to my app,  
look at the following:




1




Ok, so lets break it down. The way Ajax.Updater works from the  
Prototype library is you give it the id of a DOM object and a URL,  
and it

Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Anjo Krank]

Well said.

And first and foremost, make sure what it is that you *actually* want  
to do. "Doing Ajax" just says nothing. Do you want some special  
widget? Call server side code? What for and why will that make your  
app better? Because if you haven't made sure that you know what you  
want is a sure recipe for wasted time, ours and yours.


Cheers, Anjo


Am 19.05.2006 um 16:06 schrieb Mike Schrag:

As far as convincing you that it's not true that WO clashes with  
Ajax and that it doesn't make sense, obviously the Wonder Ajax  
frameworks essentially demonstrate the counterexample.  It's both  
possible (clashless?) and DOES make sense :)


However, it is true that making Ajax behave in the way WO users  
have become accustomed is not necessarily simple. Getting drag-and- 
drop to "just work" with object bindings, etc, makes for some  
slightly funky code, but the end result is really cool.  I suspect  
if you look at the code INSIDE of Ruby of Rails for making Ajax  
integration work, it's much the same.  The vast majority of users  
just use the end product, they're not writing the rails framework.   
Because WO's Ajax support is fairly new, you're sort of at the  
"writing the Rails framework" level at the moment.


As Jean-François mentioned, using DirectActions will give you the  
quickest route to success for something like the Hello World  
example.  The tighter the integration, the trickier the code will  
become.  The source to Ajax framework is in Wonder, though, and it  
provides all the basic tools to create just about anything these  
example do, it's just varying levels of cleverness to make them  
nice depending on how complicated the desired behavior is.


ms

On May 19, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2 wrote:




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Von: "Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Datum: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:40:48 +0200
An: Mike Schrag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Betreff: Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

Hi Mike,

I'm primarily interested in general widgets and form widgets.

I'm tired of trying to bring together WO and Dojo, so wanna give  
up. I think

WebObjects clashes with AJAX. It doesn't make sense to use AJAX with
WebObjects.

If anybody wants to convince me of the opposite, i'm willing ...

Greetings,
Ahmet


Von: Mike Schrag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Datum: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:32:04 +0200
An: "Tokalak, Ahmet, D-IT2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Betreff: Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

Incidentally, which features of Dojo are you specifically  
interested in?


On May 19, 2006, at 4:48 AM, Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2 wrote:


Hi Mike,

If you have worked with Dojo can you tell how you integrated it in
WO? (I'm
not a WO expert ;))

Currently i'm looking in project wonder and wondering how to
integrate the
Dojo toolkit.

The way the Wonder Ajax.Framework is designed is using the JSON-RPC
library.
With this design it not possible to integrate the Dojo toolkit as
it is
intended usage. I have to adapt it to my needs (i.e. Dojo Toolkit
widgets
for the view and JSON_RPC for server communication), but i don't
like it.

Does it exists a better approach?

Cheers,
Ahmet


Von: Mike Schrag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Datum: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:53:58 +0200
An: WebObjects Development 
Betreff: Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

I have been looking at Dojo and actually have a couple Dojo things
wrapped (the rich text component, for instance) in my local
Ajax.framework to try them out.  I have not been as impressed with
Dojo when I compare its cross-browser support to, say,  
Scriptaculous,
but they have a HUGE set of libraries available.  That alone  
may make

it compelling enough to support.

ms

On May 18, 2006, at 8:23 AM, Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2 wrote:


Hi,

I want integrate AJAX in my WO apps, but i'm facing big problems.
The
biggest problems i see is the stucture of a WO application.

Has anybody gained experience of WO-AJAX integration  ?  (I wanna
work with
the DOJO Toolkit, but the tookit is not important)

Cheers

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Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Mike Schrag]

As far as convincing you that it's not true that WO clashes with Ajax  
and that it doesn't make sense, obviously the Wonder Ajax frameworks  
essentially demonstrate the counterexample.  It's both possible  
(clashless?) and DOES make sense :)


However, it is true that making Ajax behave in the way WO users have  
become accustomed is not necessarily simple. Getting drag-and-drop to  
"just work" with object bindings, etc, makes for some slightly funky  
code, but the end result is really cool.  I suspect if you look at  
the code INSIDE of Ruby of Rails for making Ajax integration work,  
it's much the same.  The vast majority of users just use the end  
product, they're not writing the rails framework.  Because WO's Ajax  
support is fairly new, you're sort of at the "writing the Rails  
framework" level at the moment.


As Jean-François mentioned, using DirectActions will give you the  
quickest route to success for something like the Hello World  
example.  The tighter the integration, the trickier the code will  
become.  The source to Ajax framework is in Wonder, though, and it  
provides all the basic tools to create just about anything these  
example do, it's just varying levels of cleverness to make them nice  
depending on how complicated the desired behavior is.


ms

On May 19, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2 wrote:




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Von: "Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Datum: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:40:48 +0200
An: Mike Schrag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Betreff: Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

Hi Mike,

I'm primarily interested in general widgets and form widgets.

I'm tired of trying to bring together WO and Dojo, so wanna give  
up. I think

WebObjects clashes with AJAX. It doesn't make sense to use AJAX with
WebObjects.

If anybody wants to convince me of the opposite, i'm willing ...

Greetings,
Ahmet


Von: Mike Schrag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Datum: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:32:04 +0200
An: "Tokalak, Ahmet, D-IT2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Betreff: Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

Incidentally, which features of Dojo are you specifically  
interested in?


On May 19, 2006, at 4:48 AM, Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2 wrote:


Hi Mike,

If you have worked with Dojo can you tell how you integrated it in
WO? (I'm
not a WO expert ;))

Currently i'm looking in project wonder and wondering how to
integrate the
Dojo toolkit.

The way the Wonder Ajax.Framework is designed is using the JSON-RPC
library.
With this design it not possible to integrate the Dojo toolkit as
it is
intended usage. I have to adapt it to my needs (i.e. Dojo Toolkit
widgets
for the view and JSON_RPC for server communication), but i don't
like it.

Does it exists a better approach?

Cheers,
Ahmet


Von: Mike Schrag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Datum: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:53:58 +0200
An: WebObjects Development 
Betreff: Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

I have been looking at Dojo and actually have a couple Dojo things
wrapped (the rich text component, for instance) in my local
Ajax.framework to try them out.  I have not been as impressed with
Dojo when I compare its cross-browser support to, say,  
Scriptaculous,
but they have a HUGE set of libraries available.  That alone may  
make

it compelling enough to support.

ms

On May 18, 2006, at 8:23 AM, Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2 wrote:


Hi,

I want integrate AJAX in my WO apps, but i'm facing big problems.
The
biggest problems i see is the stucture of a WO application.

Has anybody gained experience of WO-AJAX integration  ?  (I wanna
work with
the DOJO Toolkit, but the tookit is not important)

Cheers

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Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Jean-François Veillette]

From a quick read, you have to replace the php/asp handling with WO  
handling.  A quick and easy way to do it is by using DirectAction, just  
so you can easily write the url directly in the html file.

This will give you the bare essential just so it run.
This is not how you would like a WO integration on long-terme.
If you want to integrate Dojo and WO, you would do it the reverse way.   
Instead of adapting WO to act like PHP just so that Dojo tutorial can  
keep simple, you would instead look at it from a WO perspective.   
Attack the problem from a WO point of view ... In a WO workflow, how  
would you integrate a nice javascript/ajax library.  This is how the  
wonder's ajax framework look at the problem.  On long terme, you want  
to be able to drag-drop wo-components from a wobuilder palette for  
example.



- jfv

Le 06-05-19, à 09:32, Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2 a écrit :



I would be very glad if anybody can say how to run the DOJO HelloWorld
example under WO.

The URL of DOJO HelloWorld example:
http://dojo.jot.com/WikiHome/Tutorials/HelloWorld

Greetings,
Ahmet


Von: Mike Schrag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Datum: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:32:04 +0200
An: "Tokalak, Ahmet, D-IT2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Betreff: Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

Incidentally, which features of Dojo are you specifically interested  
in?


On May 19, 2006, at 4:48 AM, Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2 wrote:


Hi Mike,

If you have worked with Dojo can you tell how you integrated it in
WO? (I'm
not a WO expert ;))

Currently i'm looking in project wonder and wondering how to
integrate the
Dojo toolkit.

The way the Wonder Ajax.Framework is designed is using the JSON-RPC
library.
With this design it not possible to integrate the Dojo toolkit as
it is
intended usage. I have to adapt it to my needs (i.e. Dojo Toolkit
widgets
for the view and JSON_RPC for server communication), but i don't
like it.

Does it exists a better approach?

Cheers,
Ahmet


Von: Mike Schrag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Datum: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:53:58 +0200
An: WebObjects Development 
Betreff: Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

I have been looking at Dojo and actually have a couple Dojo things
wrapped (the rich text component, for instance) in my local
Ajax.framework to try them out.  I have not been as impressed with
Dojo when I compare its cross-browser support to, say,  
Scriptaculous,
but they have a HUGE set of libraries available.  That alone may  
make

it compelling enough to support.

ms

On May 18, 2006, at 8:23 AM, Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2 wrote:


Hi,

I want integrate AJAX in my WO apps, but i'm facing big problems.
The
biggest problems i see is the stucture of a WO application.

Has anybody gained experience of WO-AJAX integration  ?  (I wanna
work with
the DOJO Toolkit, but the tookit is not important)

Cheers

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RE: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2]

I would be very glad if anybody can say how to run the DOJO HelloWorld
example under WO. 

The URL of DOJO HelloWorld example:
http://dojo.jot.com/WikiHome/Tutorials/HelloWorld

Greetings,
Ahmet

> Von: Mike Schrag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Datum: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:32:04 +0200
> An: "Tokalak, Ahmet, D-IT2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Betreff: Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration
> 
> Incidentally, which features of Dojo are you specifically interested in?
> 
> On May 19, 2006, at 4:48 AM, Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2 wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mike,
>> 
>> If you have worked with Dojo can you tell how you integrated it in
>> WO? (I'm
>> not a WO expert ;))
>> 
>> Currently i'm looking in project wonder and wondering how to
>> integrate the
>> Dojo toolkit.
>> 
>> The way the Wonder Ajax.Framework is designed is using the JSON-RPC
>> library.
>> With this design it not possible to integrate the Dojo toolkit as
>> it is
>> intended usage. I have to adapt it to my needs (i.e. Dojo Toolkit
>> widgets
>> for the view and JSON_RPC for server communication), but i don't
>> like it.
>> 
>> Does it exists a better approach?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ahmet
>> 
>>> Von: Mike Schrag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Datum: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:53:58 +0200
>>> An: WebObjects Development 
>>> Betreff: Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration
>>> 
>>> I have been looking at Dojo and actually have a couple Dojo things
>>> wrapped (the rich text component, for instance) in my local
>>> Ajax.framework to try them out.  I have not been as impressed with
>>> Dojo when I compare its cross-browser support to, say, Scriptaculous,
>>> but they have a HUGE set of libraries available.  That alone may make
>>> it compelling enough to support.
>>> 
>>> ms
>>> 
>>> On May 18, 2006, at 8:23 AM, Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2 wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I want integrate AJAX in my WO apps, but i'm facing big problems.
>>>> The
>>>> biggest problems i see is the stucture of a WO application.
>>>> 
>>>> Has anybody gained experience of WO-AJAX integration  ?  (I wanna
>>>> work with
>>>> the DOJO Toolkit, but the tookit is not important)
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> 
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RE: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2]

I would be very glad if anybody can say how to run the DOJO HelloWorld
example under WO. 

The URL of DOJO HelloWorld example:
http://dojo.jot.com/WikiHome/Tutorials/HelloWorld

Greetings,
Ahmet

> Von: Mike Schrag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Datum: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:32:04 +0200
> An: "Tokalak, Ahmet, D-IT2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Betreff: Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration
> 
> Incidentally, which features of Dojo are you specifically interested in?
> 
> On May 19, 2006, at 4:48 AM, Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2 wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mike,
>> 
>> If you have worked with Dojo can you tell how you integrated it in
>> WO? (I'm
>> not a WO expert ;))
>> 
>> Currently i'm looking in project wonder and wondering how to
>> integrate the
>> Dojo toolkit.
>> 
>> The way the Wonder Ajax.Framework is designed is using the JSON-RPC
>> library.
>> With this design it not possible to integrate the Dojo toolkit as
>> it is
>> intended usage. I have to adapt it to my needs (i.e. Dojo Toolkit
>> widgets
>> for the view and JSON_RPC for server communication), but i don't
>> like it.
>> 
>> Does it exists a better approach?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ahmet
>> 
>>> Von: Mike Schrag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Datum: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:53:58 +0200
>>> An: WebObjects Development 
>>> Betreff: Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration
>>> 
>>> I have been looking at Dojo and actually have a couple Dojo things
>>> wrapped (the rich text component, for instance) in my local
>>> Ajax.framework to try them out.  I have not been as impressed with
>>> Dojo when I compare its cross-browser support to, say, Scriptaculous,
>>> but they have a HUGE set of libraries available.  That alone may make
>>> it compelling enough to support.
>>> 
>>> ms
>>> 
>>> On May 18, 2006, at 8:23 AM, Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2 wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I want integrate AJAX in my WO apps, but i'm facing big problems.
>>>> The
>>>> biggest problems i see is the stucture of a WO application.
>>>> 
>>>> Has anybody gained experience of WO-AJAX integration  ?  (I wanna
>>>> work with
>>>> the DOJO Toolkit, but the tookit is not important)
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> 
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RE: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2]

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Von: "Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Datum: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:40:48 +0200
An: Mike Schrag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Betreff: Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

Hi Mike,

I'm primarily interested in general widgets and form widgets.

I'm tired of trying to bring together WO and Dojo, so wanna give up. I think
WebObjects clashes with AJAX. It doesn't make sense to use AJAX with
WebObjects.

If anybody wants to convince me of the opposite, i'm willing ...

Greetings,
Ahmet 

> Von: Mike Schrag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Datum: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:32:04 +0200
> An: "Tokalak, Ahmet, D-IT2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Betreff: Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration
> 
> Incidentally, which features of Dojo are you specifically interested in?
> 
> On May 19, 2006, at 4:48 AM, Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2 wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mike,
>> 
>> If you have worked with Dojo can you tell how you integrated it in
>> WO? (I'm
>> not a WO expert ;))
>> 
>> Currently i'm looking in project wonder and wondering how to
>> integrate the
>> Dojo toolkit.
>> 
>> The way the Wonder Ajax.Framework is designed is using the JSON-RPC
>> library.
>> With this design it not possible to integrate the Dojo toolkit as
>> it is
>> intended usage. I have to adapt it to my needs (i.e. Dojo Toolkit
>> widgets
>> for the view and JSON_RPC for server communication), but i don't
>> like it.
>> 
>> Does it exists a better approach?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ahmet
>> 
>>> Von: Mike Schrag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Datum: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:53:58 +0200
>>> An: WebObjects Development 
>>> Betreff: Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration
>>> 
>>> I have been looking at Dojo and actually have a couple Dojo things
>>> wrapped (the rich text component, for instance) in my local
>>> Ajax.framework to try them out.  I have not been as impressed with
>>> Dojo when I compare its cross-browser support to, say, Scriptaculous,
>>> but they have a HUGE set of libraries available.  That alone may make
>>> it compelling enough to support.
>>> 
>>> ms
>>> 
>>> On May 18, 2006, at 8:23 AM, Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2 wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I want integrate AJAX in my WO apps, but i'm facing big problems.
>>>> The
>>>> biggest problems i see is the stucture of a WO application.
>>>> 
>>>> Has anybody gained experience of WO-AJAX integration  ?  (I wanna
>>>> work with
>>>> the DOJO Toolkit, but the tookit is not important)
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> 
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Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Mike Schrag]

I have been looking at Dojo and actually have a couple Dojo things  
wrapped (the rich text component, for instance) in my local  
Ajax.framework to try them out.  I have not been as impressed with  
Dojo when I compare its cross-browser support to, say, Scriptaculous,  
but they have a HUGE set of libraries available.  That alone may make  
it compelling enough to support.


ms

On May 18, 2006, at 8:23 AM, Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2 wrote:


Hi,

I want integrate AJAX in my WO apps, but i'm facing big problems. The
biggest problems i see is the stucture of a WO application.

Has anybody gained experience of WO-AJAX integration  ?  (I wanna  
work with

the DOJO Toolkit, but the tookit is not important)

Cheers

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Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

[David LeBer]

On 18-May-06, at 9:36 AM, Wolfram Stebel wrote:


Am 18.05.2006 14:23 Uhr schrieb "Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2" unter
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Hi,

I want integrate AJAX in my WO apps, but i'm facing big problems. The
biggest problems i see is the stucture of a WO application.

Has anybody gained experience of WO-AJAX integration  ?  (I wanna  
work with

the DOJO Toolkit, but the tookit is not important)

Hi

there is a framework with samples from

Jean-François Veillette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

He mailed it to some people a while ago. Ask for a copy :-)

It simply works, but i didn't try to set up an own project with it.
This might be a small hurdle at all.


Jean-François' framework was Wonderized by Anjo into the  
Ajax.Framework in Project WONDER and Mike Schrag has done a ton of  
work adding additional components.



Jean-François' original framework is available on WOCode.com.



I posted a small demo app that I used to demo the Ajax.Framework at  
the last tacow meeting.



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Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

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Am 18.05.2006 14:23 Uhr schrieb "Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2" unter
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> Hi,
> 
> I want integrate AJAX in my WO apps, but i'm facing big problems. The
> biggest problems i see is the stucture of a WO application.
> 
> Has anybody gained experience of WO-AJAX integration  ?  (I wanna work with
> the DOJO Toolkit, but the tookit is not important)
Hi

there is a framework with samples from

Jean-François Veillette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

He mailed it to some people a while ago. Ask for a copy :-)

It simply works, but i didn't try to set up an own project with it.
This might be a small hurdle at all.

Wolfram


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Re: AJAX WebObjects Integration

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On 18-May-06, at 8:23 AM, Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2 wrote:


Hi,

I want integrate AJAX in my WO apps, but i'm facing big problems. The
biggest problems i see is the stucture of a WO application.

Has anybody gained experience of WO-AJAX integration  ?  (I wanna  
work with

the DOJO Toolkit, but the tookit is not important)

Cheers


Have you looked at the Ajax.Framework in Project WONDER?

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AJAX WebObjects Integration

[Tokalak, Ahmet. D-IT2]

Hi,

I want integrate AJAX in my WO apps, but i'm facing big problems. The
biggest problems i see is the stucture of a WO application.

Has anybody gained experience of WO-AJAX integration  ?  (I wanna work with
the DOJO Toolkit, but the tookit is not important)

Cheers

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