Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
Hello WMF
We agree with the previous posters RYAN about lack of transparency,
and COMPLETE INEFFICIENCY and arrogance in communications by/to/with
your communities and volunteers.
Please inform and educate why anonymous WMF communities are writing
false, concocted and fabricated articles about our organisation
replete with fabricated images, evidently to profit by donations to
WMF {Hosting provider} from Indian citizens to be given into SWISS
BANK ACCOUNTS in complete violation of Indian law by these HUGE SIZE
BANNERS which are highly intrusive.
See this image as evidence
http://www.imagesup.net/?di=014176874722
Please indicate when WMF will comply with Indian cyber law to appoint
a Grievance Officer
http://delhihighcourt.nic.in/dhcqrydisp_O.asp?pn=163416yr=2013
and verifiably stop Indian children under 13 from registering accounts
and becoming admins.
HRA1924 {a jan andalonist}
India Against Corruption,
What you should actually be upset about is the lack of transparency
regarding fundraising statistics. Ryan very politely asked for these
statistics and the response was essentially we've got higher priorities
right now, which of course is complete rubbish. Of course we're keeping
detailed logs of incoming donations, there's no extra burden there. And of
course people are e-mailing internally and creating internal reports. But
this information isn't being shared and we really must address this.
Nobody is suggesting that the fundraising team kills small furry animals
and I think everyone involved in this discussion (including and perhaps
especially those who are paid or were paid by donations) recognizes the
thankless and stressful job that the fundraising team has. But in the face
of active damage to Wikimedia's brand and reputation, after repeated and
lengthy discussions about the issues with obnoxious, misleading, and
obtrusive donation advertising, it's unsurprising that people are annoyed.
MZMcBride
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
This is a good thread -- it's important to be unified in our message, proud of it, and aware of how broadly it spreads. Every campaign both raises some funds for the project, gives supporters an opportunity to talk about Wiki*edia with their friends, and shifts public perception of who we are, what we do, and why. Liam, you made a series of good comments about the fundraising principles; I've posted them and some related thoughts at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fundraising_principles Many people mentioned that we could remind readers they can express gratitude by contributing knowledge. This message bears repeating every year - it is welcoming to the millions of one-time contributors who read it; it is encouraging to those who have never contributed; it offers an option to those who want to be supportive but have no other way to donate. Sam PS: The poster below is part of a deranged sockfarm, now blocked from en:wp, which has started spamming WM mailing lists (see the India list) and is squatting the site http://www.wikimedia.xyz/ . Please do not feed, and moderate as needed. Site Admin 1924@gmail.com wrote: Please inform and educate why anonymous WMF communities are writing false, concocted and fabricated articles about our organisation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all
Thanks again, I tried to remain brie-f 2014-12-03 18:06 GMT+00:00 Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com: 110% !!! We bleu our first goal. Christophe, whether you are posting out of love for this awesome project or just for the sake of making puns, I cantal. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Community engagement - Product Survey
This! https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Engagement_(Product)/Product_Surveys Thank you to the WMF Community Engagement team for trialling this new way of prioritising improvements to tools - by asking the community for some structured feedback. As the page says: The *Product Roadmap survey* intends to offer a lightweight, data-informed way for communities across the entire Wikimedia movement to contribute ideas the Wikimedia Foundation's (WMF) product roadmap. The question we are currently wanting to answer is: If the communities were to collectively decide on a gadget or tool which could be expanded into an extension for use across all Wikimedia-supported projects, what would it be? I saw this today as a Watchlist notification. The survey has just over 20 ideas which the user is asked to rank in a series of paired comparisons. A simple, easy, and intuitive way to get some genuine feedback from the editing community about the improvements that we believe would be of most use to us. [it would be nice if there were more options to compare in this survey] As the FAQ section explains - this is an experimental process and not a promise that the 'winner' will be built - and that's perfectly fair. One reason I particularly like this is that I think that if the WMF would regularly invest in building tools that were prioritised by the so-called power users, that would help ease the tension that can occur when the WMF builds tools that focus on the needs of new editors (but which also change the existing-editors' workflows). The Page Curation https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Page_Curation system was a step in that direction - a genuine effort to make the work of new-page-patrollers easier, in recognition that tools for power-users help decrease their stress levels which indirectly helps to decrease the likelihood of good-faith newbies being unintentionally bitten. From what I can see, the product survey idea is a more formalised approach in that same general direction. So, thank you. I hope this pilot project is a success. -Liam ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all
On Dec 4, 2014 2:46 PM, Jean-Frédéric jeanfrederic.w...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks again, I tried to remain brie-f 2014-12-03 18:06 GMT+00:00 Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com : 110% !!! We bleu our first goal. Christophe, whether you are posting out of love for this awesome project or just for the sake of making puns, I cantal. A little humor on this thread may annoy some, but it's really a Brie of fresh air to me. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all
Le 2014-12-04 14:57, Martijn Hoekstra a écrit : On Dec 4, 2014 2:46 PM, Jean-Frédéric jeanfrederic.w...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks again, I tried to remain brie-f 2014-12-03 18:06 GMT+00:00 Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com: 110% !!! We bleu our first goal. Christophe, whether you are posting out of love for this awesome project or just for the sake of making puns, I cantal. A little humor on this thread may annoy some, but it's really a Brie of fresh air to me. Let's be serious. Sweet dreams are made of cheese. Who am I to diss a brie. I cheddar the world the feta cheese. Everybody's looking for Stilton... Pyb ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia and Ebola
Hey All I would like to share the following: “Wikipedia has been the most widely used single source of information about Ebola in the most affected countries, among people who searched for information through Bing. The use of Wikipedia was greater than that of either CNN, the World Health Organization, or the Center for Disease Control during the time periods examined. The countries in question include: Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea. I have been collaborating with a researcher from microsoft by the name of Elad Yom-Tom who has provided this interesting data. We are looking at submitting something to a peer reviewed journal soon. Journal will of course need to be Open Access, PLoS Medicine or Open BMJ interested? :-) I think this is a real accomplishment for all the amazing individuals and organizations that have made Wikipedia what it is today including the many dedicated Wikipedians, the Wikimedia Foundation, our collaborators at Translators Without Borders, the Cochrane Collaboration, and the University of California San Francisco College of Medicine among others. I hope this is also encouragement for organizations such as the World Health Organisation among others that are not currently engaging with Wikipedia as a platform for knowledge sharing to do so. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia and Ebola
Hi James, thanks for sharing. This shows exemplary the success of Wikipedia for being a trusted spot for information. It also shows its growing responsibilities. News like this are encouraging on so many levels. Best regards Jens Best Am 04.12.2014 15:34 schrieb James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com: Hey All I would like to share the following: “Wikipedia has been the most widely used single source of information about Ebola in the most affected countries, among people who searched for information through Bing. The use of Wikipedia was greater than that of either CNN, the World Health Organization, or the Center for Disease Control during the time periods examined. The countries in question include: Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea. I have been collaborating with a researcher from microsoft by the name of Elad Yom-Tom who has provided this interesting data. We are looking at submitting something to a peer reviewed journal soon. Journal will of course need to be Open Access, PLoS Medicine or Open BMJ interested? :-) I think this is a real accomplishment for all the amazing individuals and organizations that have made Wikipedia what it is today including the many dedicated Wikipedians, the Wikimedia Foundation, our collaborators at Translators Without Borders, the Cochrane Collaboration, and the University of California San Francisco College of Medicine among others. I hope this is also encouragement for organizations such as the World Health Organisation among others that are not currently engaging with Wikipedia as a platform for knowledge sharing to do so. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia and Ebola
Excellent, James! On Dec 4, 2014 3:43 PM, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote: Hi James, thanks for sharing. This shows exemplary the success of Wikipedia for being a trusted spot for information. It also shows its growing responsibilities. News like this are encouraging on so many levels. Best regards Jens Best Am 04.12.2014 15:34 schrieb James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com: Hey All I would like to share the following: “Wikipedia has been the most widely used single source of information about Ebola in the most affected countries, among people who searched for information through Bing. The use of Wikipedia was greater than that of either CNN, the World Health Organization, or the Center for Disease Control during the time periods examined. The countries in question include: Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea. I have been collaborating with a researcher from microsoft by the name of Elad Yom-Tom who has provided this interesting data. We are looking at submitting something to a peer reviewed journal soon. Journal will of course need to be Open Access, PLoS Medicine or Open BMJ interested? :-) I think this is a real accomplishment for all the amazing individuals and organizations that have made Wikipedia what it is today including the many dedicated Wikipedians, the Wikimedia Foundation, our collaborators at Translators Without Borders, the Cochrane Collaboration, and the University of California San Francisco College of Medicine among others. I hope this is also encouragement for organizations such as the World Health Organisation among others that are not currently engaging with Wikipedia as a platform for knowledge sharing to do so. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
Dear Mr. Klein PS: The poster below is part of a deranged sockfarm, now blocked from en:wp, which has started spamming WM mailing lists (see the India list) and is squatting the site http://www.wikimedia.xyz/ . Please do not feed, and moderate as needed. As a WMF Trustee, we suggest that you either retract your comments publicly or take consent from WMF legal counsel before making it on a publicly archived WMF mailing list. Our movement and our members are completely transparent about our real world identities and actions, and we assure you, and this list, that we are neither deranged nor squatters nor sock-puppets. As WMF is aware, HRA1924 is a role name used by India Against Corruption, to communicate our concerns to WMF. The subject issue is actually oversized in your face donations banners being thrust on EN:WP visitors - attracted by misleading and libelous WP articles / media which are incestuously promoted to no.1 on Google websearch, because Google's and WMF's affairs are so financially and other-wise inter-twined. HRA1924 On 12/4/14, Samuel Klein s...@wikimedia.org wrote: This is a good thread -- it's important to be unified in our message, proud of it, and aware of how broadly it spreads. Every campaign both raises some funds for the project, gives supporters an opportunity to talk about Wiki*edia with their friends, and shifts public perception of who we are, what we do, and why. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia and Ebola
What a positive and encouraging information. Thanks a lot, James Heilman! Regards, Thyge 2014-12-04 15:34 GMT+01:00 James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com: Hey All I would like to share the following: “Wikipedia has been the most widely used single source of information about Ebola in the most affected countries, among people who searched for information through Bing. The use of Wikipedia was greater than that of either CNN, the World Health Organization, or the Center for Disease Control during the time periods examined. The countries in question include: Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea. I have been collaborating with a researcher from microsoft by the name of Elad Yom-Tom who has provided this interesting data. We are looking at submitting something to a peer reviewed journal soon. Journal will of course need to be Open Access, PLoS Medicine or Open BMJ interested? :-) I think this is a real accomplishment for all the amazing individuals and organizations that have made Wikipedia what it is today including the many dedicated Wikipedians, the Wikimedia Foundation, our collaborators at Translators Without Borders, the Cochrane Collaboration, and the University of California San Francisco College of Medicine among others. I hope this is also encouragement for organizations such as the World Health Organisation among others that are not currently engaging with Wikipedia as a platform for knowledge sharing to do so. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all
Which cheese do you use to coax a bear up a mountain? On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Pierre-Yves Beaudouin pierre.beaudo...@wikimedia.fr wrote: Le 2014-12-04 14:57, Martijn Hoekstra a écrit : On Dec 4, 2014 2:46 PM, Jean-Frédéric jeanfrederic.w...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks again, I tried to remain brie-f 2014-12-03 18:06 GMT+00:00 Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com: 110% !!! We bleu our first goal. Christophe, whether you are posting out of love for this awesome project or just for the sake of making puns, I cantal. A little humor on this thread may annoy some, but it's really a Brie of fresh air to me. Let's be serious. Sweet dreams are made of cheese. Who am I to diss a brie. I cheddar the world the feta cheese. Everybody's looking for Stilton... Pyb ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia and Ebola
This is great, James. Given this and the comment Jimmy made on stage about Wikipedia becoming slightly more trusted in news than the BBC... I would say we are becoming one of the more trusted sources of serious subject-matter news. Way to go! Let me know where you end up submitting. Would love to read the article. /a On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 6:34 AM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: Hey All I would like to share the following: “Wikipedia has been the most widely used single source of information about Ebola in the most affected countries, among people who searched for information through Bing. The use of Wikipedia was greater than that of either CNN, the World Health Organization, or the Center for Disease Control during the time periods examined. The countries in question include: Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea. I have been collaborating with a researcher from microsoft by the name of Elad Yom-Tom who has provided this interesting data. We are looking at submitting something to a peer reviewed journal soon. Journal will of course need to be Open Access, PLoS Medicine or Open BMJ interested? :-) I think this is a real accomplishment for all the amazing individuals and organizations that have made Wikipedia what it is today including the many dedicated Wikipedians, the Wikimedia Foundation, our collaborators at Translators Without Borders, the Cochrane Collaboration, and the University of California San Francisco College of Medicine among others. I hope this is also encouragement for organizations such as the World Health Organisation among others that are not currently engaging with Wikipedia as a platform for knowledge sharing to do so. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Anna Stillwell Senior Learning and Org Dev Lead Wikimedia Foundation 415.806.1536 *www.wikimediafoundation.org http://www.wikimediafoundation.org* Man is unique not because he does science, and he is unique not because he does art, but because science and art are equal expressions of his marvelous plasticity of mind. - Jacob Bronowski http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Bronowski ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia and Ebola
Hoi, If I may I would love to blog about this :) Thanks, GerardM http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com On 4 December 2014 at 18:10, Anna Stillwell astillw...@wikimedia.org wrote: This is great, James. Given this and the comment Jimmy made on stage about Wikipedia becoming slightly more trusted in news than the BBC... I would say we are becoming one of the more trusted sources of serious subject-matter news. Way to go! Let me know where you end up submitting. Would love to read the article. /a On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 6:34 AM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: Hey All I would like to share the following: “Wikipedia has been the most widely used single source of information about Ebola in the most affected countries, among people who searched for information through Bing. The use of Wikipedia was greater than that of either CNN, the World Health Organization, or the Center for Disease Control during the time periods examined. The countries in question include: Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea. I have been collaborating with a researcher from microsoft by the name of Elad Yom-Tom who has provided this interesting data. We are looking at submitting something to a peer reviewed journal soon. Journal will of course need to be Open Access, PLoS Medicine or Open BMJ interested? :-) I think this is a real accomplishment for all the amazing individuals and organizations that have made Wikipedia what it is today including the many dedicated Wikipedians, the Wikimedia Foundation, our collaborators at Translators Without Borders, the Cochrane Collaboration, and the University of California San Francisco College of Medicine among others. I hope this is also encouragement for organizations such as the World Health Organisation among others that are not currently engaging with Wikipedia as a platform for knowledge sharing to do so. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Anna Stillwell Senior Learning and Org Dev Lead Wikimedia Foundation 415.806.1536 *www.wikimediafoundation.org http://www.wikimediafoundation.org* Man is unique not because he does science, and he is unique not because he does art, but because science and art are equal expressions of his marvelous plasticity of mind. - Jacob Bronowski http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Bronowski ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
On 04.12.2014 02:30, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:46 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: John Mark Vandenberg wrote: i.e. specifically asking previously highly productive volunteers who have stopped contributing whether they feel the increase in funds has not resulted in their work being adequately supported? Thanks for your great wording, John. ... Have you looked into the funding situation of your local chapter? Does it have large cash reserves and large predicable revenue flows? John, you do realize she is most likely talking about the same chapter you belong to, right? Cheers Yaroslav ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
I recommend those of you who would like to come up with some test wording assuming the current word count do so and after you pick top 3-5 we can pilot with one of our next user groups. On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On 04.12.2014 02:30, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:46 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: John Mark Vandenberg wrote: i.e. specifically asking previously highly productive volunteers who have stopped contributing whether they feel the increase in funds has not resulted in their work being adequately supported? Thanks for your great wording, John. ... Have you looked into the funding situation of your local chapter? Does it have large cash reserves and large predicable revenue flows? John, you do realize she is most likely talking about the same chapter you belong to, right? Cheers Yaroslav ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:48 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On 04.12.2014 02:30, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:46 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: John Mark Vandenberg wrote: i.e. specifically asking previously highly productive volunteers who have stopped contributing whether they feel the increase in funds has not resulted in their work being adequately supported? Thanks for your great wording, John. ... Have you looked into the funding situation of your local chapter? Does it have large cash reserves and large predicable revenue flows? John, you do realize she is most likely talking about the same chapter you belong to, right? I was aware that svetlana might be referring to Wikimedia Australia, but didnt know whether she had disclosed her locality (I now see she is using a .au email address..) Contrary to their webpage http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Committee (https://archive.today/5r3TH), and my enwp user page until a few seconds ago, I dont belong to that chapter. -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community engagement - Product Survey
FYI -- this is just one pilot in our program to improve community participation and direct prioritization of editor-focused engineering work. More to come. Thank you team and the community. Lila On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:57 AM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: This! https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Engagement_(Product)/Product_Surveys Thank you to the WMF Community Engagement team for trialling this new way of prioritising improvements to tools - by asking the community for some structured feedback. As the page says: The *Product Roadmap survey* intends to offer a lightweight, data-informed way for communities across the entire Wikimedia movement to contribute ideas the Wikimedia Foundation's (WMF) product roadmap. The question we are currently wanting to answer is: If the communities were to collectively decide on a gadget or tool which could be expanded into an extension for use across all Wikimedia-supported projects, what would it be? I saw this today as a Watchlist notification. The survey has just over 20 ideas which the user is asked to rank in a series of paired comparisons. A simple, easy, and intuitive way to get some genuine feedback from the editing community about the improvements that we believe would be of most use to us. [it would be nice if there were more options to compare in this survey] As the FAQ section explains - this is an experimental process and not a promise that the 'winner' will be built - and that's perfectly fair. One reason I particularly like this is that I think that if the WMF would regularly invest in building tools that were prioritised by the so-called power users, that would help ease the tension that can occur when the WMF builds tools that focus on the needs of new editors (but which also change the existing-editors' workflows). The Page Curation https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Page_Curation system was a step in that direction - a genuine effort to make the work of new-page-patrollers easier, in recognition that tools for power-users help decrease their stress levels which indirectly helps to decrease the likelihood of good-faith newbies being unintentionally bitten. From what I can see, the product survey idea is a more formalised approach in that same general direction. So, thank you. I hope this pilot project is a success. -Liam ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF November 2014 Metrics Activities Meeting: Thursday, December 4, 19:00 UTC
REMINDER: This meeting starts in 30 minutes. On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Praveena Maharaj pmaha...@wikimedia.org wrote: Dear all, The next WMF metrics and activities meeting will take place on Thursday, December 4, 2014 at 7 PM UTC (11 AM PST). The IRC channel is #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.net and the meeting will be broadcast as a live YouTube stream. The current structure of the meeting is: * Welcoming recent hires * Update and QA with the Executive Director, if available * Review of key metrics including the monthly report card, but also specialized reports and analytic * Review of financials * Brief presentations on recent projects, with a focus on highest priority initiatives Please review https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings for further information about how to participate. We’ll post the video recording publicly after the meeting. Thank you, Praveena -- Praveena Maharaj Executive Assistant to the VP of Product Strategy and the VP of Engineering Wikimedia Foundation \\ www.wikimediafoundation.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality
Hi mike, That pipes are dumb is fundamental for having cheap Internet access. Most contracts for Wikipedia zero are done with telcos which either want to catch up in getting more reach in the population, or those which have a higher price for data. Not allowing them to use wikipedia to influence competition and justify higher prices is helping to bridge the digital divide. I do not find it fair that people in financially less favored countries have to pay more per gigabyte traffic in USD than people in rich countries. This gets even worse if one compares percentage of income spent for a gigabyte. The only well balanced answer out of Wmf I saw up to now clearly showing the conflict this offering is in is the excellent WOP statement from gale. it is easy to design a solution which is compliant to net neutrality: if a person is reading wikipedia 200 MB traffic are free, any content. I d consider it a fundamental failure of the wmf legal department, especially yana, that they are not capable or willing to negotiate such contracts. Rupert On Dec 1, 2014 4:14 PM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: Tim Landscheidt writes: I think on the contrary Wikipedia Zero illustrates nicely why net neutrality is so important: Wikipedia Zero favours solely Wikipedia (und sister projects), while contradicting or simply other opinions and resources bite the dust. I'm not following your reasoning here. I don't see any sense in which Wikipedia Zero is contradicting other opinions or resulting in resources that bite the dust. Wikipedia Zero is not rivalrous in any economic sense that I'm aware of. This mainstreaming, forming a monopolistic cabal on all things information is why I am a strong proponent of net neutrality. The ease with which information can be shared nowadays should be used so that more people provide their views, not more people consume one view. So, you'd rather have users pay by the bit for Wikipedia on their mobile devices? This does not serve Wikipedia or its users in the developing world. The chart I use here shows you what the cost of broadband access is in the developing world, which relies primarily on mobile platforms. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/article/20141201000351-209165-wikipedia-zero-will-serve-net-neutrality And I have severe doubts that Wikipedia Zero fulfils actual needs from the perspective of sustainable development. But you haven't said what those severe doubts are. Having spent the last couple of years working on access projects in the developing world, I haven't encountered an alternative model that doesn't result in higher prices for subscribers. As the chart I reproduce indicates, in some places in the developing world, the annual cost of broadband access exceeds the average per capita income. I do not see how it serves Wikipedia's mission to require individual users to pay so much for Wikipedia access. --Mike ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
Just for reference, John is correct - our website has been having technical issues lately, which sometimes results in old revisions being made visible. I can confirm that John is not on the board of WMAU: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters#.5BAU.5D_Wikimedia_Australia_.28Australia.29 Regards, Charles Gregory / User:Chuq Wikimedia Australia On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:14 AM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:48 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On 04.12.2014 02:30, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:46 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: John Mark Vandenberg wrote: i.e. specifically asking previously highly productive volunteers who have stopped contributing whether they feel the increase in funds has not resulted in their work being adequately supported? Thanks for your great wording, John. ... Have you looked into the funding situation of your local chapter? Does it have large cash reserves and large predicable revenue flows? John, you do realize she is most likely talking about the same chapter you belong to, right? I was aware that svetlana might be referring to Wikimedia Australia, but didnt know whether she had disclosed her locality (I now see she is using a .au email address..) Contrary to their webpage http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Committee (https://archive.today/5r3TH), and my enwp user page until a few seconds ago, I dont belong to that chapter. -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
I checked my inbox today to find a note from a friend asking if Wikipedia was okay. My reply was essentially Wikipedia is fine, if you want to donate, make an edit or two. I wonder how many Wikimedians are getting the same notes of concern. I'd be quite surprised, for example, if Wikimedia Foundation department heads weren't getting these types of notes right now. It's a bit sad. And I wonder how others reply to sincere concerns about Wikipedia's health. (Again, nobody knows what Wikimedia is, for better or worse.) Meanwhile, also in my inbox, the author of this piece sent me a link to http://newslines.org/blog/stop-giving-wikipedia-money/, which was silly in parts, but an interesting perspective to read. Lila Tretikov wrote: I recommend those of you who would like to come up with some test wording assuming the current word count do so and after you pick top 3-5 we can pilot with one of our next user groups. Eh, fair play. I've started a page here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_banners/December_2014. I'm busy today, but I'll try to brainstorm some better options. If we must have donation advertising (a necessary evil, for now, we assume), we can probably at least stop shouting at and misleading our readers/donors. :-) MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland: New board elected, annual plan postponed.
Hi Tim, congratulations with the new board. It is difficult at the moment I guess and I sincerely hope that the new board can find consensus within the movement lead WMDE back into the frontier of the international movement. Kind regards, Frans *Frans Grijzenhout*, voorzitter / chair +31 6 5333 9499 http://www.wikimedia.nl/ *Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland* *Postadres*: *Bezoekadres:* Postbus 167 Mariaplaats 3 3500 AD Utrecht3511 LH Utrecht Kamer van Koophandel 17189036 2014-12-03 23:55 GMT+01:00 Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org: Congratulations, new board! On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 5:04 AM, Nurunnaby Hasive n...@nhasive.com wrote: Congratulations WMDE new board! On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Congratulations to WMDE -- *Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive* Administrator | Bengali Wikipedia http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:nhasive Member | IEG Committee, Wikimedia Foundation https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/People Moderator, Social Media Interaction | The Daily Prothom-Alo http://www.prothom-alo.com Bangladesh Ambassador | Open Knowledge http://www.okfn.org Treasurer | Bangladesh Open Source Network (BdOSN) http://www.bdosn.org Task Force Member | Mozilla Bangladesh http://www.mozillabd.org Author Translator | Global Voice http://bn.globalvoicesonline.org/author/hasive fb.com/nhasive | @nhasive http://www.twitter.com/nhasive | Skype: nhasive | www.nhasive.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK
I've split this from a more general thread, for convenience... On 3 December 2014 at 01:16, Megan Hernandez mhernan...@wikimedia.org wrote: Starting today, banners are being shown to 100% of anonymous readers on English Wikipedia in the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. How much money do we expect to raise (or did we last year), from the UK? How much of the money raised from the UK will attract Gift Aid[*] tax releif? [* Gift AId is a UK scheme where the government gives, to a charity, tax paid by a donor. For every £80 such a donor gives, the charty would receive £100] -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF November 2014 Metrics Activities Meeting: Thursday, December 4, 19:00 UTC
Thanks everyone for a fantastic metrics meeting. I had two questions which I raised on IRC which didn't get a chance to be addressed. Briefly: 1) Is the rise in global south page views specifically to *enwiki*, or is it to local wikis? 2) Does the page view decrease in Latin America correspond to a decline in the eswiki project specifically? How do our numbers look if we look at projects rather than countries? Oliver shared one of the tools used to collate the graphs seen in the meeting, and I was able to determine, for example, that the rise in pageviews from Iran is almost entirely due to rises in Iranian access to enwiki. The growth in views of fawiki and other wikis from Iran is much more modest. It seems that our thinking about redirecting to localized content and the rise of mobile in the global south should be informed by these analytics. Are folks coming to enwiki because that's where the content and editors are? If so we might be doing readers a disservice by redirecting them to a local wiki without the content they are seeking. (Perhaps the Content Translation tool can help.) If our userbase in the global south is coming from mobile, than it is important to provide localized editing tools for mobile; less so if they are primarily English-speaking and can take advantage of the desktop editors of enwiki. Will investment in the Content Translation tool affect the balance between enwiki and local wiki pageviews going forward? I dug into the numbers a little bit, others who are interested can join me in a discussion over at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics Thanks for your attention... --scott ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland: New board elected, annual plan postponed.
Wow, it seems that all previous presidents except Ralf Liebau were elected into one board! Impressive... Lodewijk On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Frans Grijzenhout fr...@wikimedia.nl wrote: Hi Tim, congratulations with the new board. It is difficult at the moment I guess and I sincerely hope that the new board can find consensus within the movement lead WMDE back into the frontier of the international movement. Kind regards, Frans *Frans Grijzenhout*, voorzitter / chair +31 6 5333 9499 http://www.wikimedia.nl/ *Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland* *Postadres*: *Bezoekadres:* Postbus 167 Mariaplaats 3 3500 AD Utrecht3511 LH Utrecht Kamer van Koophandel 17189036 2014-12-03 23:55 GMT+01:00 Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org: Congratulations, new board! On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 5:04 AM, Nurunnaby Hasive n...@nhasive.com wrote: Congratulations WMDE new board! On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Congratulations to WMDE -- *Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive* Administrator | Bengali Wikipedia http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:nhasive Member | IEG Committee, Wikimedia Foundation https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/People Moderator, Social Media Interaction | The Daily Prothom-Alo http://www.prothom-alo.com Bangladesh Ambassador | Open Knowledge http://www.okfn.org Treasurer | Bangladesh Open Source Network (BdOSN) http://www.bdosn.org Task Force Member | Mozilla Bangladesh http://www.mozillabd.org Author Translator | Global Voice http://bn.globalvoicesonline.org/author/hasive fb.com/nhasive | @nhasive http://www.twitter.com/nhasive | Skype: nhasive | www.nhasive.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:26 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I checked my inbox today to find a note from a friend asking if Wikipedia was okay. My reply was essentially Wikipedia is fine, if you want to donate, make an edit or two. I wonder how many Wikimedians are getting the same notes of concern. I'd be quite surprised, for example, if Wikimedia Foundation department heads weren't getting these types of notes right now. It's a bit sad. And I wonder how others reply to sincere concerns about Wikipedia's health. (Again, nobody knows what Wikimedia is, for better or worse.) Meanwhile, also in my inbox, the author of this piece sent me a link to http://newslines.org/blog/stop-giving-wikipedia-money/, which was silly in parts, but an interesting perspective to read. Lila Tretikov wrote: I recommend those of you who would like to come up with some test wording assuming the current word count do so and after you pick top 3-5 we can pilot with one of our next user groups. Eh, fair play. I've started a page here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_banners/December_2014. I'm busy today, but I'll try to brainstorm some better options. If we must have donation advertising (a necessary evil, for now, we assume), we can probably at least stop shouting at and misleading our readers/donors. :-) MZMcBride I gave it a go. It's not good, but it's a wiki, so someone go make it good :) As a positive (non-statistically significant) datapoint, I did some asking around with people who didn't know I was a wikipedian what their general impressions on the banners were (from memory, everybody did indeed see them), and what they thought the financial health of the Foundation was like. They didn't feel that the text implied that the foundation was in financial trouble/crisis or anything like that. When I explained the financial situation of the Foundation, and the distribution of money to development, operations/keeping the lights on and programmatic work (roughly), they were fine with it, and didn't find the copy misleading. One of them told me he donated again after I told him why I was asking those questions, and that we're so concerned we're not being honest enough with our readers/donors. A couple did however note that they've seen banners earlier this year, and started questioning the honesty of the statement that it was a once a year thing to raise sufficient funds for another year now they were seeing banners again a few months later. That possibility never really occurred to me. Turns out the Quantum Mechanical idea that you can't measure something without affecting its outcome holds for A/B testing in fundraising. -- Martijn ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all
I don't know, Chris, but I suspect you'll tell us... Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 4 December 2014 at 17:06, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: Which cheese do you use to coax a bear up a mountain? On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Pierre-Yves Beaudouin pierre.beaudo...@wikimedia.fr wrote: Le 2014-12-04 14:57, Martijn Hoekstra a écrit : On Dec 4, 2014 2:46 PM, Jean-Frédéric jeanfrederic.w...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks again, I tried to remain brie-f 2014-12-03 18:06 GMT+00:00 Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com: 110% !!! We bleu our first goal. Christophe, whether you are posting out of love for this awesome project or just for the sake of making puns, I cantal. A little humor on this thread may annoy some, but it's really a Brie of fresh air to me. Let's be serious. Sweet dreams are made of cheese. Who am I to diss a brie. I cheddar the world the feta cheese. Everybody's looking for Stilton... Pyb ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
With Sam, I'd like to add my thanks to Lila, and to the fundraising team which has done an extraordinary job of testing, optimizing, and running our fundraising campaigns. And thanks to all of you, for being concerned about and invested in our projects' public image and financial health and future. Some perspective from my role as a trustee: One section of our recent board meeting was spent discussing the fundraising trends that Lila refers to, and thinking about the longer-term future of fundraising on our projects. These trends include: on-site page views are dramatically down over the past two years in the US Europe, where the majority of our revenue is raised. At the same time, there are challenges with fundraising in many of the places where readership is growing. Additionally, of course we want and need a strong financial basis for the projects over the long-term -- not only to keep the lights on but also to build better infrastructure (ranging from current contributor-supporting projects -- see the recent product survey -- to making the software easier on new editors). And, of course, fundraising is only one small supporting piece of the overall picture -- so we discussed how shifting patterns in Wikimedia project consumption, ranging from mobile to Google knowledge graph type products, might affect our mission long-term. Given all this context, in our meeting the board discussed whether we should try to raise more money now to build our long-term reserves (which I personally think is wise, given current trends). We also discussed and deeply appreciate the delicate balance that fundraising has: yes, we can raise more by running more banners, but at what cost? I should note that the board didn't set new targets in this meeting. But we did express our support and thanks for the fundraising team's efforts, which have been remarkable at making sure that our projects are funded by a world-wide group of independent readers. One side note about the evolution of fundraising in Wikimedia that I think is worth noting is that the overall length of the fundraiser has shrunk dramatically in the last 7-8 years -- from a month at 100% in 2006 to a targeted 2 weeks (or less) today. Individual readers see many fewer banner impressions now than they used to. Personally, I think readers should worry about Wikipedia. We are a nonprofit that exists because of the labor of volunteers. Our readers who rely on our work and don't think much about how it gets on their screens should recognize that what we do isn't guaranteed in perpetuity -- it all depends on help, support and work from our global community. If that knowledge motivates people to contribute, fantastic. If contributing means donating 3$, great. And if it means becoming an editor: even better. Let's all work towards that. -- Phoebe On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:53 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Lila - thank you for this thoughtful update. Fundraising trends and data are always welcome, particularly where communities can help improve and test local messages. I am also deeply thankful for the smooth work of the fundraising team, who have made great progress over the last few years – in storytelling translation, mobile giving, testing data analysis. I look forward to seeing what we learn this year. Sam On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 1:53 AM, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote: All -- we will not have a pop-up banner. I know you want more insight into the trends: we will provide some of those in our upcoming reports and metrics and we will plan to shift to a quarterly cadence of a more specific metrics report that will include fundraising. Just to cover some basic trends: the last two years have significantly changed our traffic composition. Regionally, we are seeing growth in emerging languages and regions. This is great: people who need the knowledge most, but cannot afford it and often live in countries where free speech is criminalized are learning about Wikipedia. We need to keep supporting that. In Europe, North America, Australia, etc. we see Wikipedia becoming a part of the fabric of the internet itself: embedded in web searches, operating systems, and other online resources. This is great too: people get knowledge wherever they are. Both of those trends however can make it more difficult to raise funds (and sometimes contribute), so we have to make sure we adapt. We are doing a lot of work around thinking through a diversified fundraising strategy. That said, our main tool today are the site banners. Just to be clear: the pop-up banner had advantages. It tested high with readers, was only shown once to each user and cut the total number of impressions needed by a factor of 7! We did hear your concerns however. The Fundraising team listened and quickly integrated your feedback. While our launch banner will be different from last year’s, it will not be a pop-up, overlay content, or be sticky. As always
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 6:13 AM, Pierre-Yves Beaudouin pierre.beaudo...@wikimedia.fr wrote: Le 2014-12-04 14:57, Martijn Hoekstra a écrit : On Dec 4, 2014 2:46 PM, Jean-Frédéric jeanfrederic.w...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks again, I tried to remain brie-f 2014-12-03 18:06 GMT+00:00 Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com: 110% !!! We bleu our first goal. Christophe, whether you are posting out of love for this awesome project or just for the sake of making puns, I cantal. A little humor on this thread may annoy some, but it's really a Brie of fresh air to me. Let's be serious. Sweet dreams are made of cheese. Who am I to diss a brie. I cheddar the world the feta cheese. Everybody's looking for Stilton... Pyb 3 3 3 3 3 p.s. we are running a California edition too, thanks to Frank Schulenburg and his cheese-iful ideas. (Paneer'ing for gold in the California foothills?) -- phoebe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
I think this discussion and the uproar is only in part because of the wordings used, the size of the banners (which are maybe terrible, and I get exhausted from seeing the banner all year round because I have bad luck to be in so many test groups somehow). A big chunk is about the usual: communication. Somehow we seem to be unable to set up a communication workflow where the community feels that they have been involved in the process. That they have been able to contribute ideas, thoughts, improvements. Life is not all about A/B testing and success rates. Keeping Wikipedia up is not just about getting enough money as quickly as possible. It is much more about growing the community, and involving it - using its strengths and diversity on as many places as possible. And somehow, in the field of fundraiser and everything surrounding that there seems to be a lot to be improved. I don't agree things can't get better. After the Wikipedia Forever drama, things did get better. Communication was improved a lot, and both chapters and individuals were actively involved. Unfortunately, it seems that it has gotten worse since. I would appreciate efforts to improve this again.And that has to be more than just asking suggestions for more A/B testing. It may cost more work in the short run, but I sincerely believe that in the long run, it is worth it: better results, more creativity and less frustration. Best, Lodewijk On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:20 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: With Sam, I'd like to add my thanks to Lila, and to the fundraising team which has done an extraordinary job of testing, optimizing, and running our fundraising campaigns. And thanks to all of you, for being concerned about and invested in our projects' public image and financial health and future. Some perspective from my role as a trustee: One section of our recent board meeting was spent discussing the fundraising trends that Lila refers to, and thinking about the longer-term future of fundraising on our projects. These trends include: on-site page views are dramatically down over the past two years in the US Europe, where the majority of our revenue is raised. At the same time, there are challenges with fundraising in many of the places where readership is growing. Additionally, of course we want and need a strong financial basis for the projects over the long-term -- not only to keep the lights on but also to build better infrastructure (ranging from current contributor-supporting projects -- see the recent product survey -- to making the software easier on new editors). And, of course, fundraising is only one small supporting piece of the overall picture -- so we discussed how shifting patterns in Wikimedia project consumption, ranging from mobile to Google knowledge graph type products, might affect our mission long-term. Given all this context, in our meeting the board discussed whether we should try to raise more money now to build our long-term reserves (which I personally think is wise, given current trends). We also discussed and deeply appreciate the delicate balance that fundraising has: yes, we can raise more by running more banners, but at what cost? I should note that the board didn't set new targets in this meeting. But we did express our support and thanks for the fundraising team's efforts, which have been remarkable at making sure that our projects are funded by a world-wide group of independent readers. One side note about the evolution of fundraising in Wikimedia that I think is worth noting is that the overall length of the fundraiser has shrunk dramatically in the last 7-8 years -- from a month at 100% in 2006 to a targeted 2 weeks (or less) today. Individual readers see many fewer banner impressions now than they used to. Personally, I think readers should worry about Wikipedia. We are a nonprofit that exists because of the labor of volunteers. Our readers who rely on our work and don't think much about how it gets on their screens should recognize that what we do isn't guaranteed in perpetuity -- it all depends on help, support and work from our global community. If that knowledge motivates people to contribute, fantastic. If contributing means donating 3$, great. And if it means becoming an editor: even better. Let's all work towards that. -- Phoebe On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:53 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Lila - thank you for this thoughtful update. Fundraising trends and data are always welcome, particularly where communities can help improve and test local messages. I am also deeply thankful for the smooth work of the fundraising team, who have made great progress over the last few years – in storytelling translation, mobile giving, testing data analysis. I look forward to seeing what we learn this year. Sam On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 1:53 AM, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote: All -- we will not
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
Lila, when you say, pilot with one of our next user groups, when would this pilot happen, and whom/how many people would this pilot user group comprise? Best, Andreas On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote: I recommend those of you who would like to come up with some test wording assuming the current word count do so and after you pick top 3-5 we can pilot with one of our next user groups. On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On 04.12.2014 02:30, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:46 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: John Mark Vandenberg wrote: i.e. specifically asking previously highly productive volunteers who have stopped contributing whether they feel the increase in funds has not resulted in their work being adequately supported? Thanks for your great wording, John. ... Have you looked into the funding situation of your local chapter? Does it have large cash reserves and large predicable revenue flows? John, you do realize she is most likely talking about the same chapter you belong to, right? Cheers Yaroslav ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@... writes: With Sam, I'd like to add my thanks to Lila, and to the fundraising team which has done an extraordinary job of testing, optimizing, and running our fundraising campaigns. And thanks to all of you, for being concerned about and invested in our projects' public image and financial health and future. The fundraising team is amazing at their jobs. They raise money incredibly efficiently. So indeed, thank you fundraising team for your work. It's a high pressure job, which I can empathize with. As one of the people concerned about the projects' public image, I read your words of thanks, but don't feel thanked by the content of your post, since it doesn't address the raised concerns. Have you seen the data that suggests the public image isn't being damaged? The board members have signed NDAs, so they are allowed access to the raw data. I also have a signed NDA, so technically I should be allowed to see it as well. Can you answer some direct questions? Do you feel the size of the banners is appropriate to the mission, given that it obscures the content significantly (and in many cases completely)? Do you feel the messaging is accurate to the financial situation of the Foundation? Some perspective from my role as a trustee: One section of our recent board meeting was spent discussing the fundraising trends that Lila refers to, and thinking about the longer-term future of fundraising on our projects. These trends include: on-site page views are dramatically down over the past two years in the US Europe, where the majority of our revenue is raised. At the same time, there are challenges with fundraising in many of the places where readership is growing. Additionally, of course we want and need a strong financial basis for the projects over the long-term gmane seems to be cutting off most of your message in the followup view, which is unfortunate. Your post mostly discusses the financial situation and the efficacy of the banners. There's no question about the efficacy of the banners. They work extremely well and there's shared data that proves it. There's question about the content and the size of the banners and there's no shared data that shows harm isn't being caused. It's disappointing that a member of the board sees it as appropriate to scare people as a means of generating funding. The foundation meets its goals every year. As you've pointed out in this post, it does so faster than ever, even while increasing the budget every year. This shows well that the situation isn't dire. - Ryan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@... writes: With Sam, I'd like to add my thanks to Lila, and to the fundraising team which has done an extraordinary job of testing, optimizing, and running our fundraising campaigns. And thanks to all of you, for being concerned about and invested in our projects' public image and financial health and future. The fundraising team is amazing at their jobs. They raise money incredibly efficiently. So indeed, thank you fundraising team for your work. It's a high pressure job, which I can empathize with. As one of the people concerned about the projects' public image, I read your words of thanks, but don't feel thanked by the content of your post, since it doesn't address the raised concerns. Have you seen the data that suggests the public image isn't being damaged? The board members have signed NDAs, so they are allowed access to the raw data. I also have a signed NDA, so technically I should be allowed to see it as well. You're asking me to prove a negative. My inability to do so has nothing to do with NDAs or the lack of them. There's no secret data that shows that well, the banners make people hate Wikipedia but they have a good donation rate. And if there was, why in the world would anyone who cares about the projects make that choice? We are all on the same side here regarding wanting to preserve the love that people have for our projects. So no, I don't have data for you about the no doubt diverse set of reactions that exist in the world to the banners. (Beyond anecdotal info that we all have access to: twitter, this mailing list, etc.) What I do have is information about whether the banners are compelling enough to donate -- that's where the a/b testing etc. comes in -- and that is info that Megan et al shares with everyone. Can you answer some direct questions? Do you feel the size of the banners is appropriate to the mission, given that it obscures the content significantly (and in many cases completely)? Do you feel the messaging is accurate to the financial situation of the Foundation? Personally speaking: I happen to like this year's banners, more than last year's. The boxes and disclaimers are clearer, the text is to the point. And yes, I think the messaging is accurate. This is the text I'm seeing in the U.S. at the moment: This week we ask our readers to help us. To protect our independence, we'll never run ads. We survive on donations averaging about $15. Now is the time we ask. If everyone reading this right now gave $3, our fundraiser would be done within an hour. Yep, that’s about the price of buying a programmer a coffee. We’re a small non-profit with costs of a top website: servers, staff and programs. Wikipedia is something special. It is like a library or a public park where we can all go to think and learn. If Wikipedia is useful to you, take one minute to keep it online and ad-free another year.Thank you. And all of that is certainly true. We do have the costs of a top website, we are a small nonprofit (bigger than many, but smaller than most brand-name NGOs), and we do survive on donations averaging $15 (something like 85% of our revenue comes from these donations, IIRC). Additionally, I think we're all in agreement that we never will and should never run ads. I am not just saying this because I am a trustee -- I've seen every fundraising campaign that the WMF has ever run, and participated in discussions about most of them, and I genuinely do like this year's. Yes, the banners are in your face, and I'm OK with that, given that it's a quick campaign and as always one click makes them go away (forever, I think). Obviously, opinions on the banner aesthetics can and will vary. But discussions on how much money we should raise (which, of course, is not an either/or choice) -- that's a different conversation. -- Phoebe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community engagement - Product Survey
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:57 AM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: This! https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Engagement_(Product)/Product_Surveys Thank you to the WMF Community Engagement team for trialling this new way of prioritising improvements to tools - by asking the community for some structured feedback. As the page says: The *Product Roadmap survey* intends to offer a lightweight, data-informed way for communities across the entire Wikimedia movement to contribute ideas the Wikimedia Foundation's (WMF) product roadmap. The question we are currently wanting to answer is: If the communities were to collectively decide on a gadget or tool which could be expanded into an extension for use across all Wikimedia-supported projects, what would it be? I saw this today as a Watchlist notification. The survey has just over 20 ideas which the user is asked to rank in a series of paired comparisons. A simple, easy, and intuitive way to get some genuine feedback from the editing community about the improvements that we believe would be of most use to us. [it would be nice if there were more options to compare in this survey] As the FAQ section explains - this is an experimental process and not a promise that the 'winner' will be built - and that's perfectly fair. One reason I particularly like this is that I think that if the WMF would regularly invest in building tools that were prioritised by the so-called power users, that would help ease the tension that can occur when the WMF builds tools that focus on the needs of new editors (but which also change the existing-editors' workflows). The Page Curation https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Page_Curation system was a step in that direction - a genuine effort to make the work of new-page-patrollers easier, in recognition that tools for power-users help decrease their stress levels which indirectly helps to decrease the likelihood of good-faith newbies being unintentionally bitten. From what I can see, the product survey idea is a more formalised approach in that same general direction. So, thank you. I hope this pilot project is a success. -Liam Thank you for your feedback, Liam! Very appreciated. Keep in mind that anyone can submit an idea as well as the ones that are already entered (we pre-loaded the survey, but there are certainly gadgets and tools in existence which communities may want to see improved which we have not yet entered). We're beginning to go through feedback that has been submitted and are also still getting the es.wp survey off the ground. We also welcome feedback about what works and what might not work on the discussion page (for example, some of the character limitations allowing for feedback is restrictive, so that is something we already know :) cheers, -rachel -- Rachel diCerbo Director of Community Engagement (Product) Wikimedia Foundation Rdicerb (WMF) https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:Rdicerb_%28WMF%29 @a_rachel https://twitter.com/a_rachel ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:49 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Personally speaking: I happen to like this year's banners, more than last year's. The boxes and disclaimers are clearer, the text is to the point. And yes, I think the messaging is accurate. This is the text I'm seeing in the U.S. at the moment: This week we ask our readers to help us. To protect our independence, we'll never run ads. We survive on donations averaging about $15. Now is the time we ask. If everyone reading this right now gave $3, our fundraiser would be done within an hour. Yep, that’s about the price of buying a programmer a coffee. We’re a small non-profit with costs of a top website: servers, staff and programs. Wikipedia is something special. It is like a library or a public park where we can all go to think and learn. If Wikipedia is useful to you, take one minute to keep it online and ad-free another year.Thank you. For me, the problem is with the combined impact of the phrase ask our readers to help us, the word survive and the words keep it online and ad-free for another year. You already have money to keep it online and ad-free another year – not just for another year, but at least another five years. About $50 million in cash and investments, according to the latest financial statement. More than the Foundation has ever had: about $12 million more than this time last year, and $50 million more than in 2009, just five years ago.[1] Keeping Wikipedia online and ad-free is a small part of your budget today. Funding for the continuation of that basic service is in no way in jeopardy. You are above all collecting money to pay for the recent aggressive expansion of software engineering staff. (Also, while I am writing to you, will we ever see the results of the 2012 editor survey, especially the gender split? I and others have made numerous inquiries about this over the past four months, on Meta[2] and on Tilman's various user pages, and the response from the Foundation has been absolute silence.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation#Finances [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Wikipedia_Editor_Survey_2012#Looking_for_survey_results ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@... writes: You're asking me to prove a negative. My inability to do so has nothing to do with NDAs or the lack of them. There's no secret data that shows that well, the banners make people hate Wikipedia but they have a good donation rate. And if there was, why in the world would anyone who cares about the projects make that choice? We are all on the same side here regarding wanting to preserve the love that people have for our projects. So no, I don't have data for you about the no doubt diverse set of reactions that exist in the world to the banners. (Beyond anecdotal info that we all have access to: twitter, this mailing list, etc.) What I do have is information about whether the banners are compelling enough to donate -- that's where the a/b testing etc. comes in -- and that is info that Megan et al shares with everyone. I'm not asking you to prove a negative. Lila wrote in a previous post that they have data that shows the banners are not causing brand damage. I'm asking if you've seen that data. I trust you if you say you've been given the data and can say it does indeed prove there's no brand damage. Based on your reaction I know the answer to my question. Can you please get access to the data in question and give us your take on it? I also asked for the foundation to share the methodology they used to obtain and analyze this data. There's nothing private about this and no reason it shouldn't be possible to share it now. It would be excellent to have this, because we'd know if their methodology is appropriate. Of course, I'm still eager to see the anonymized data, but based on Lila's post it looks like we won't get a chance until after the fundraiser. The data from social media isn't anecdotal. It's public and is overwhelmingly negative towards the banners. It shows there's a negative reaction to both the message and size of the banners. Something I don't understand is why this isn't at least being acknowledged as being a problem. Personally speaking: I happen to like this year's banners, more than last year's. The boxes and disclaimers are clearer, the text is to the point. And yes, I think the messaging is accurate. This is the text I'm seeing in the U.S. at the moment: This week we ask our readers to help us. To protect our independence, we'll never run ads. We survive on donations averaging about $15. Now is the time we ask. If everyone reading this right now gave $3, our fundraiser would be done within an hour. Yep, that’s about the price of buying a programmer a coffee. We’re a small non-profit with costs of a top website: servers, staff and programs. Wikipedia is something special. It is like a library or a public park where we can all go to think and learn. If Wikipedia is useful to you, take one minute to keep it online and ad-free another year.Thank you. And all of that is certainly true. We do have the costs of a top website, we are a small nonprofit (bigger than many, but smaller than most brand-name NGOs), and we do survive on donations averaging $15 (something like 85% of our revenue comes from these donations, IIRC). Additionally, I think we're all in agreement that we never will and should never run ads. I am not just saying this because I am a trustee -- I've seen every fundraising campaign that the WMF has ever run, and participated in discussions about most of them, and I genuinely do like this year's. Yes, the banners are in your face, and I'm OK with that, given that it's a quick campaign and as always one click makes them go away (forever, I think). Obviously, opinions on the banner aesthetics can and will vary. But discussions on how much money we should raise (which, of course, is not an either/or choice) -- that's a different conversation. Thank you. - Ryan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF November 2014 Metrics Activities Meeting: Thursday, December 4, 19:00 UTC
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 1:23 PM, C. Scott Ananian canan...@wikimedia.org wrote: Thanks everyone for a fantastic metrics meeting. I had two questions which I raised on IRC which didn't get a chance to be addressed. Briefly: 1) Is the rise in global south page views specifically to *enwiki*, or is it to local wikis? Not actually an either/or. The answer seems to me to be yes, i.e. all wikis -- that is, all projects, all languages. It seems that our thinking about redirecting to localized content and the rise of mobile in the global south should be informed by these analytics. Are folks coming to enwiki because that's where the content and editors are? Some definitely do. Another major factor, mentioned today, is that in some countries, mobile devices just don't come with good local languages support, and people are putting up with that and using what the device does give them, which are generally the major, colonial languages. If so we might be doing readers a disservice by redirecting them to a local wiki without the content they are seeking. (Perhaps the Content Translation tool can help.) If our userbase in the global south is coming from mobile, than it is important to provide localized editing tools for mobile; less so if they are primarily English-speaking and can take advantage of the desktop editors of enwiki. Remember that while global south is a shorthand label we use for convenience to group together a large number of countries, it's often quite misleading to generalize about it, *particularly* around language questions. In Anglophone Africa, for example, most people are used to looking for information online in English and not in indigenous languages. But in Brazil, people consume information in Portuguese, but many (16%) also refer to the English Wikipedia (and intriguingly, 1 in 3 *edits* from Brazil is to ENWP!), presumably for its broader coverage or higher average quality. In Ukraine, 70% read the Russian Wikipedia and only 17% read the Ukrainian Wikipedia; interviews tell me this is largely due to device defaults, beyond the obvious different in size and average quality. This page reveals some of those breakdowns: http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerCountryBreakdown.htm Will investment in the Content Translation tool affect the balance between enwiki and local wiki pageviews going forward? That would be one long-term effect to watch for, I think! Thanks for digging up further info! A. -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
On 12/5/14, 1:07 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: For me, the problem is with the combined impact of the phrase ask our readers to help us, the word survive and the words keep it online and ad-free for another year. Yes, I've found myself in awkward discussions caused by this as well. One person I chatted to earlier this evening set up a recurring donation because he believed that these popover messages were an emergency call to arms, so to speak. He understood the situation to be that: Wikipedia runs on a shoestring budget, and although it's managed in the past, it is teetering on the edge of being unable to pay for servers/bandwidth/sysadmin resources, to the extent where it may be at risk of having to sell ad-banner space to keep the lights on. He was not very happy when I let him know that the situation was not within several orders of magnitude of being quite so dire... -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
Hi,
On Thu, 4 Dec 2014, at 17:35, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
svetlana, 03/12/2014 23:20:
It is already co-owned. It is just that people haven't bothered to try
talking to the Fundraising Team.
{{citation needed}}
Go look at the number of people who tried on fundraiser@,
m:Talk:Fundraising* and fundraising@ (well, this one you can't; it was
shut down because it was too lively).
Nemo
P.s.: Besides, talking to is not the problem, the problem is talking
with.
I don't deny that the Team might be deaf. It does take some skill however to
reach them and make a change rather than banter around how deaf they are.
--
svetlana
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[Wikimedia-l] [x-post] Language Engineering IRC Office Hour on December 10, 2014 (Wednesday) at 1700 UTC
[x-posted announcement] Hello, Please save the date for the monthly IRC office hour of the Wikimedia Language Engineering team on Wednesday, December 10, 2014 at 1700 UTC on #wikimedia-office. Project updates will include information about the new version of Content Translation[1] and plans for the next release. Please see below for event details and local time. Thanks Runa [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Content_translation/Announcement-November2014 Monthly IRC Office Hour: === # Date: December 10, 2014 (Wednesday) # Time: 1700 UTC (Check local time: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20141210T1700) # IRC channel: #wikimedia-office # Agenda: 1. Updates from the Content Translation project 2. Q A/Discussions -- Language Engineering - Outreach and QA Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF November 2014 Metrics Activities Meeting: Thursday, December 4, 19:00 UTC
Hi Asaf! I was reading the presentation on metrics and the point about Mexico's decreasing of views on Wikipedia called my attention. From your answer to Scott I read that those are only statistics from enwiki, do you know if the same happened in eswiki or, conversely, eswiki grow the number of views? In the last case I could assume that we are converting English readers into Spanish readers and it might be taken as a normal migration. Although in the first case I would be worried because we are loosing those readers definitely and it would be needed adjust some strategies in our country. Sorry if I'm doing a simplist reading of the metrics. Regards! El jueves, 4 de diciembre de 2014, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org escribió: On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 1:23 PM, C. Scott Ananian canan...@wikimedia.org javascript:; wrote: Thanks everyone for a fantastic metrics meeting. I had two questions which I raised on IRC which didn't get a chance to be addressed. Briefly: 1) Is the rise in global south page views specifically to *enwiki*, or is it to local wikis? Not actually an either/or. The answer seems to me to be yes, i.e. all wikis -- that is, all projects, all languages. It seems that our thinking about redirecting to localized content and the rise of mobile in the global south should be informed by these analytics. Are folks coming to enwiki because that's where the content and editors are? Some definitely do. Another major factor, mentioned today, is that in some countries, mobile devices just don't come with good local languages support, and people are putting up with that and using what the device does give them, which are generally the major, colonial languages. If so we might be doing readers a disservice by redirecting them to a local wiki without the content they are seeking. (Perhaps the Content Translation tool can help.) If our userbase in the global south is coming from mobile, than it is important to provide localized editing tools for mobile; less so if they are primarily English-speaking and can take advantage of the desktop editors of enwiki. Remember that while global south is a shorthand label we use for convenience to group together a large number of countries, it's often quite misleading to generalize about it, *particularly* around language questions. In Anglophone Africa, for example, most people are used to looking for information online in English and not in indigenous languages. But in Brazil, people consume information in Portuguese, but many (16%) also refer to the English Wikipedia (and intriguingly, 1 in 3 *edits* from Brazil is to ENWP!), presumably for its broader coverage or higher average quality. In Ukraine, 70% read the Russian Wikipedia and only 17% read the Ukrainian Wikipedia; interviews tell me this is largely due to device defaults, beyond the obvious different in size and average quality. This page reveals some of those breakdowns: http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerCountryBreakdown.htm Will investment in the Content Translation tool affect the balance between enwiki and local wiki pageviews going forward? That would be one long-term effect to watch for, I think! Thanks for digging up further info! A. -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; ?subject=unsubscribe -- *Salvador Alcántar* *@salvador_alc* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
phoebe ayers, 04/12/2014 23:20: Given all this context, in our meeting the board discussed whether we should try to raise more money now to build our long-term reserves There is so much to say about this let's milk the cow before it's too old approach that it's definitely out of scope for this thread. When are minutes going to be published, so that an informed discussion can happen? Individual readers see many fewer banner impressions now than they used to. Do you have data? If yes please share, because fundraising team doesn't seem to have it: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fundraising_2012/Report phoebe ayers, 05/12/2014 00:49: Yes, the banners are in your face, and I'm OK with that, given that it's a quick campaign and as always one click makes them go away (forever, I think). One week, actually. https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/177278/ Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
