RE: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front

[JohnnyO]

Jeffrey Thomas - DOH ! - For some reason I had Jeff Booher on the brain
and made mistake of making this post ! ! ! ! Please - pretty please
forgive me for mixing you up ? 

/me holds head down and kicks rocks

JohnnyO

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Jeff - how many other platforms have you tooted the horn on that have
never produced the results you claimed ? Not trying to rain on your
parade here, but every platform you've tooted ranting raves about, has
never lived up to it's hype from what I have seen.

JohnnyO

Wanting to be a believer

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Simple. Since the CPE self provisions and aligns itself, the customer
only need to know they need to install the device on their rooftop. And
they also have indoor devices that work to maybe a KM or so from the
tower but those Are as simple as a customer plugs in the ethernet plug
and power and puts The CPE near a window. I honestly doubt anyone will
use them, but they Are available. 

So really zero truck roll? Not really as most customers will want the
wisp to install it- but the major benefit is that the CPE's will not
require techs to carry a pc or anything other than cabling and tools to
set up the roof mount.

-

Jeff



On 6/8/06 8:04 PM, "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Color me jaded, but how can you get a zero truck roll CPE in 5.4-5.9
> unlicensed?
> 
> Sam Tetherow
> Sandhills Wireless
> 
> jeffrey thomas wrote:
> 
>> Guys,
>> 
>> Just got out of training for the new AIRSPAN wimax product for 5.8.
>> Unlike most other vendors, they are going to market with their 
>> 802.16-2004 5.4-5.9
>> solution and are shipping in JULY, and expect FCC certification for
>> their 802.16-2004
>> product for 4.9 Ghz as well in July! I am very excited about this as
the
>> 3 plus
>> years of waiting for a viable, wimax product in a band that everyone
can
>> deploy
>> in will be available.
>> 
>> 
>> So, while the equipment has not been ratified by the Wimax forum as
>> of yet, ( and they havent even decided when they will be certifying 
>> vendors ) this product will
>> be either complaint as is or will require a minor software upgrade
for
>> Wimax
>> forum certified compatiability, assuming that the forum go with the
>> 802.16-2004 
>> spec as planned.
>> 
>> some notes on the product:
>> 
>> initial pricing expected to be very reasonably priced on the AP side
>> of things,
>>  
>> 
>>> 600.00 / cpe
>>>
>>> 
>> 
>> 35 mb / sector real world throughput @ 64 QAM
>> 
>> full service flow integration for QOS
>> 
>> can be used in either 5 mhz channel size or 10 mhz channel
>> 
>> zero truck roll CPE ( users can easily install the equipment )
>> 
>> full blown FCAPS compliant NMS ( Fault monitoring configuration
>> authentication provisioning security )
>> 
>> 
>> color me excited :)
>> 
>> -
>> 
>> Jeff
>>  
>> 


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RE: [WISPA] looking for a device

[JohnnyO]

Get with Jim Patient as well - www.jeffcosoho.com   He can build them
for you more then likely at a savings to WISP-Router could.

Jim makes some great ready to go products and he's a super nice guy :)

JohnnyO

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There are people that build them for you.
MIkrotik sells pre-made systems.
WISP-Router I thought also did, but not possitive.

Tom DeReggi
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>I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of the
> box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in the
next 
> 30 days.
> 
> -Matt
> 
> Sam Tetherow wrote:
> 
>> Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I haven't
>> messed with the VLAN stuff.
>> I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on either

>> a WRAP or WAR board would work
>> as well.
>>
>>Sam Tetherow
>>Sandhills Wireless
>>
>> Matt Liotta wrote:
>>
>>> I am looking for a device with the following requirements:
>>>
>>> * Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
>>> * Can support VLANs
>>> * Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
>>> * Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
>>> * Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different 
>>> VLAN
>>> than the Ethernet port
>>> * Everything in a single outdoor enclosure
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> -Matt
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

[Tom DeReggi]

You gotta love those StarOS 5-10 Mhz channels :-)

Tom DeReggi
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What is the beam width of the rootenna to use it as an AP?? you must have 
a

bunch of them to get 360* coverage

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I'm using them as ap's. I have a link that is about 8 miles @ 5.3

George


N White wrote:
> What kind of distance are you seeing with those 5G Rootennas? And what
> kind of APs & Antennas are you using? Just curious - we're looking at
> moving all new customers to 5Ghz.
>
> -Nick
>
> George Rogato wrote:
>
>> Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked
>> out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet?
>>
>> They are working great for me and they are cheap.
>>
>> George
>>
>> Tom DeReggi wrote:
>>
>>> I was thinking
>>> Although legal issues involved...  (so not indorsing or recommending
>>> this idea)
>>>
>>> An Atlas Fox, mounted inside a MTI 24 dbi Dual Pol antenna w/ stock
>>> radio case back, and a custom mod to bypass internal antenna and
>>> jumper to the ext antenna connectors, would be less expensive than
>>> both a base Fox5800 unit and the 5830SU, and give us 16 more
>>> additional DB, which would make it a fantastic combination for a high
>>> end business or residential CPE able to survive the noise, upgradable
>>> to OFDM, and easy to mount.  But most importantly, it would only be
>>> one radio CPE type to stock to cover all needs, allowing it to be
>>> easier to make quantity orders.
>>>
>>> In qty 25+, MTI w/ case $245 (maybe a little more with import 
>>> charges)

>>> Atlas Fox $149.
>>> Pigtail Jumpers: $15  Total: $409.
>>>
>>> It would take more time to hack(build), but it would save time by not
>>> having to muck with the dish.  So why is Trango not doing this yet?
>>>
>>> Tom DeReggi
>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[Tom DeReggi]

Charles,

Although your advise does bringrealism to the debate
I think you are leaving out VLAN requirement in your view.
Mikrotik, gives the VLAN functuionality that is needed. That is worth money.
Mikrotik gives the flexibilty of dual radio configs.

I'm not even sure the expensive name brand mesh units you quoted support 
VLAN. Do they?


Yo may want to look at Alvarion. Alvarion does support VLAN. new Firmware4 
supports double VLAN also.
Alvarion used to have one model that was designed to have a second 
integrated radio into it.

I can't remember if it was a 900/2.4 combo, or a 5.8/2.4 combo.

From a support perspective you can't get any better than Alvarion.

But the price was much higher, in the $2000 range I thought.

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Hi Matt,

To throw in a dose of realism -- even if you roll your own Mikrotik solution
- it will most likely cost you more than the $300-600 / unit budget that you
have (and you get ZERO support =)

Example

RB532A: $185
SR5: $105
SR2: $105

All that is is a board and 2 radio cards -- then you still need to add in
pigtails / poe / enclosures / stand-offs / antennas / PITA factor / etc

Then you got to figure out how to make it work =)

For a complete, supported w/ manuals/etc, FCC CERTIFIED system -- you will
probably be in the $1k+ / unit ballpark (or $3k+ if you go Strix, Tropos,
Firetide, Skypilot, etc)

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I would expect the devices to cost somewhere between $300 and $600 each.
As far as support goes, I would expect it to be similar to other low
cost radio vendors like Trango, etc.

-Matt

Sam Tetherow wrote:


What are you willing to pay and what are your support requirements?

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:


I understand you are suggesting I wouldn't have to psychically build
the devices, but that isn't what I am worried about. I want an
off-the-shelf product that is supported by a vendor. That includes it
being pre-built, software installed, and support available.

-Matt

Sam Tetherow wrote:


If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your
so you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and
pigtails installed.  All you would need to do is set up the software
end of things, which could be done with a script once you have the
initial setup done.  One thing to note, I have not ordered 5Ghz
pigtails from wisp-router in quite sometime, but the last time I did
order them, their quality was questionable.

I would bet if you went the WRAP/StarOS route wisp-router would do
the same.  No idea on other vendors or the WAR boards as I have
never ordered them.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:


I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of
the box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in
the next 30 days.

-Matt

Sam Tetherow wrote:


Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I
haven't messed with the VLAN stuff.
I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on
either a WRAP or WAR board would work
as well.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:


I am looking for a device with the following requirements:

* Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
* Can support VLANs
* Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
* Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
* Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different
VLAN than the Ethernet port
* Everything in a single outdoor enclosure

Any ideas?

-Matt


















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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[Tom DeReggi]

Airmatrix does VLAN but its uses StarOS, so it does VLAN the wrong way for 
some one trying to sell to carriers.
If you sell to a carrier, they are going towant to be delivered a minimum of 
1500 MTU. StarOS can't do that with VLAN.
However, if you didn;t need VLAN, Defacto does give EXCELLENT support.  And 
they ship ONTIME.  They aren't the cheapest, but they give the value you are 
looking for.


Mikrotik is the preferred solution if you need to do VLAN. Wisp-Router also 
offers support.
He's been in business now for atleast 10 years.  He may charge you by the 
minute, but not at a rate any higher than Cisco would charge you.


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I could be missing the product you are suggesting, but the only dual radio 
products I can find our base station products. I not looking for a base 
station, I am looking for something client facing. Further, I see no 
mention of VLAN support.


-Matt

jeffrey thomas wrote:


Airmatrix can do that.

www.defactowireless.com


On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 13:17:30 -0400, "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:


I am looking for a device with the following requirements:

* Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
* Can support VLANs
* Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
* Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
* Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different VLAN 
than the Ethernet port

* Everything in a single outdoor enclosure

Any ideas?

-Matt
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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[Tom DeReggi]

There are people that build them for you.
MIkrotik sells pre-made systems.
WISP-Router I thought also did, but not possitive.

Tom DeReggi
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Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:33 PM
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I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of the 
box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in the next 
30 days.


-Matt

Sam Tetherow wrote:

Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I haven't 
messed with the VLAN stuff.
I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on either 
a WRAP or WAR board would work

as well.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:


I am looking for a device with the following requirements:

* Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
* Can support VLANs
* Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
* Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
* Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different VLAN 
than the Ethernet port

* Everything in a single outdoor enclosure

Any ideas?

-Matt






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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[Tom DeReggi]

NOte,

Star OS handles VLAN correctly as far as automatically reducing MTU size. 
But that can be a problem for ISPs that want to deliver full 1500 MTU to the 
end user as standard.  MIkrotik does not have that limitation.


Tom DeReggi
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Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:22 PM
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Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I haven't 
messed with the VLAN stuff.
I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on either a 
WRAP or WAR board would work

as well.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:


I am looking for a device with the following requirements:

* Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
* Can support VLANs
* Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
* Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
* Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different VLAN 
than the Ethernet port

* Everything in a single outdoor enclosure

Any ideas?

-Matt



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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[Tom DeReggi]

Sounds like Mikrotik to me.  We do that all the time.

Take note, to get standard bridge features across an 802.11 client, it 
requires WDS. Mikrotik allows for large packets so that VLANs can be 
configured over WDS.
The configuration is a bit encumbersome at first, but we got it down to a 
pretty good configuration now. There are a couple rules to follow to get the 
configuration to work right. We no longer use VLAN switches for small 
buildings anymore, we use Mikrotik VLAN instead.


How far you can backhaul, is going to be an antenna selection issue. 
Remember with a 32 dbi dish and -2 db power, its legal to get about 7 miles 
with good fade margin. (can pull off 11 with little fade margin)


Tom DeReggi
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I am looking for a device with the following requirements:

* Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
* Can support VLANs
* Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
* Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
* Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different VLAN than 
the Ethernet port

* Everything in a single outdoor enclosure

Any ideas?

-Matt
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Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

[Tom DeReggi]

With a rootena, at 7 miles, sounds like George is over power limits.
But take note, 5.3G can be within limits to reach 7 miles. You can actually 
reach 10 miles (with little fade margin) and be within the limits.

It does however require a 32 db dish, and a -2 power level to be legal.

Tom DeReggi
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Remember, at 5.3 gig you are only allowed 1WATT eirp.  That's 30 dB.  If 
you have a 24dB antenna the radio output has to be dropped down to 6dB.


But, that's part of why I love 5.3!  Forces people to use good antennas 
and low power radios instead of high power radios with junk antennas! 
hehehehe


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I'm using them as ap's. I have a link that is about 8 miles @ 5.3

George


N White wrote:
What kind of distance are you seeing with those 5G Rootennas? And what 
kind of APs & Antennas are you using? Just curious - we're looking at 
moving all new customers to 5Ghz.


-Nick

George Rogato wrote:

Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked 
out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet?


They are working great for me and they are cheap.

George

Tom DeReggi wrote:


I was thinking
Although legal issues involved...  (so not indorsing or recommending 
this idea)
 An Atlas Fox, mounted inside a MTI 24 dbi Dual Pol antenna w/ stock 
radio case back, and a custom mod to bypass internal antenna and 
jumper to the ext antenna connectors, would be less expensive than 
both a base Fox5800 unit and the 5830SU, and give us 16 more 
additional DB, which would make it a fantastic combination for a high 
end business or residential CPE able to survive the noise, upgradable 
to OFDM, and easy to mount.  But most importantly, it would only be 
one radio CPE type to stock to cover all needs, allowing it to be 
easier to make quantity orders.
 In qty 25+, MTI w/ case $245 (maybe a little more with import 
charges)

Atlas Fox $149.
Pigtail Jumpers: $15  Total: $409.
 It would take more time to hack(build), but it would save time by not 
having to muck with the dish.  So why is Trango not doing this yet?

 Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
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RE: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front

[JohnnyO]

Jeff - how many other platforms have you tooted the horn on that have
never produced the results you claimed ? Not trying to rain on your
parade here, but every platform you've tooted ranting raves about, has
never lived up to it's hype from what I have seen.

JohnnyO

Wanting to be a believer

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front


Simple. Since the CPE self provisions and aligns itself, the customer
only need to know they need to install the device on their rooftop. And
they also have indoor devices that work to maybe a KM or so from the
tower but those Are as simple as a customer plugs in the ethernet plug
and power and puts The CPE near a window. I honestly doubt anyone will
use them, but they Are available. 

So really zero truck roll? Not really as most customers will want the
wisp to install it- but the major benefit is that the CPE's will not
require techs to carry a pc or anything other than cabling and tools to
set up the roof mount.

-

Jeff



On 6/8/06 8:04 PM, "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Color me jaded, but how can you get a zero truck roll CPE in 5.4-5.9 
> unlicensed?
> 
> Sam Tetherow
> Sandhills Wireless
> 
> jeffrey thomas wrote:
> 
>> Guys,
>> 
>> Just got out of training for the new AIRSPAN wimax product for 5.8. 
>> Unlike most other vendors, they are going to market with their 
>> 802.16-2004 5.4-5.9
>> solution and are shipping in JULY, and expect FCC certification for
>> their 802.16-2004
>> product for 4.9 Ghz as well in July! I am very excited about this as
the
>> 3 plus
>> years of waiting for a viable, wimax product in a band that everyone
can
>> deploy
>> in will be available.
>> 
>> 
>> So, while the equipment has not been ratified by the Wimax forum as 
>> of yet, ( and they havent even decided when they will be certifying 
>> vendors ) this product will
>> be either complaint as is or will require a minor software upgrade
for
>> Wimax 
>> forum certified compatiability, assuming that the forum go with the
>> 802.16-2004 
>> spec as planned.
>> 
>> some notes on the product:
>> 
>> initial pricing expected to be very reasonably priced on the AP side 
>> of things,
>>  
>> 
>>> 600.00 / cpe
>>>
>>> 
>> 
>> 35 mb / sector real world throughput @ 64 QAM
>> 
>> full service flow integration for QOS
>> 
>> can be used in either 5 mhz channel size or 10 mhz channel
>> 
>> zero truck roll CPE ( users can easily install the equipment )
>> 
>> full blown FCAPS compliant NMS ( Fault monitoring configuration 
>> authentication provisioning security )
>> 
>> 
>> color me excited :)
>> 
>> -
>> 
>> Jeff
>>  
>> 


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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik change channel center points

[Tom DeReggi]

John,

It's really been nice to see the progress made with Mikrotik this year, its 
really becoming a strong product.
That would be great, when the next release comes includes abilty to change 
center points of channels.
Its a VERY important issue. What you got to acknowledge, is that MIkrotik is 
no longer just the inexpensive transition product for start ups. It is now 
an industry leading product, that people likely will transition to as an 
upgrade to their previous environments. For some one to make that upgrade, 
they need to be able to do it as painlessly as possible without interfering 
with their existing infrastructure, or they won't make the upgrade. 
(spectrum is to scarces. Plust there just isn't enough time to migrate 
everything all at once).  This also applies to the OEM Trango mesh 
(mikrotik) product. How successfull will it be if it does not fit spectrally 
with the existing gear?


On a side note...  When are you guys going to add antenna diversity to 
Mikrotik. Meaning, ability to listen on both antenna A&B and accept the best 
signal. (its OK to be able to transmit on only one)


This has two possible applications, depending on wether it can transmit on 
either... 1) If mounted like a T, ability to auto change polarity based on 
which has the best signal.  (self healing.). 2) if mounted as an X, minimize 
fade, by only getting 1.5db of loss when a polarity bounces out of pol 
alignment.   When 10 Mhz channels are available, it will be more likely that 
ISPs can justify using two polarities per sector.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "John Tully" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik change channel center points



At 02:36 AM 6/8/2006, you wrote:
MessageA few months ago, someone said this can be done, but for the life 
of me, I can't figure it out.


Mikrotik channels are not aligned with Trango channels, and I want to 
slide/change my Mikrotik channel center points by 10 mhz so it matches my 
Trangos at the cell.


I am not sure if we will have that in the 2.9 version -- but it is already 
in the 2.10 beta (not released yet).  At the MUM meeting in Dallas, a 
number of people asked for that.  For the powerchannel 5/10MHz channel 
size, I believe you can set the center channel in 5MHz increments.


Here is a link to some pics from the MUM -- we had 140 participants!

http://mum.mikrotik.com/?go=usa

more pics
http://mum.mikrotik.com/album2/

Also, we just released the Dude (full release) and the beta of the Dude2.
http://www.mikrotik.com/thedude.php


John
www.mikrotik.com



For example, now  Mikrotik link is set at 5765.  I'd like to have it set 
at 5755.  (but 5755 not a choice in the channel selection box)


Because I have Trango channel 1 (5736) and Channel 3 (5776) in use, and do 
not want 20 mhz channels to overlap with Mikrotik..


I do however see in the manual that wireless info command can report 
channels in 5 mhz increments.


How do I set available channels to the 5 mhz increments, in MIkrotik?

(I usually use Winbox for management)
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband



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Re: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front

[Jeffrey Thomas]

Simple. Since the CPE self provisions and aligns itself, the customer only
need to know they need to install the device on their rooftop. And they also
have indoor devices that work to maybe a KM or so from the tower but those
Are as simple as a customer plugs in the ethernet plug and power and puts
The CPE near a window. I honestly doubt anyone will use them, but they
Are available. 

So really zero truck roll? Not really as most customers will want the wisp
to install it- but the major benefit is that the CPE's will not require
techs to carry a pc or anything other than cabling and tools to set up the
roof mount.

-

Jeff



On 6/8/06 8:04 PM, "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Color me jaded, but how can you get a zero truck roll CPE in 5.4-5.9
> unlicensed?
> 
> Sam Tetherow
> Sandhills Wireless
> 
> jeffrey thomas wrote:
> 
>> Guys,
>> 
>> Just got out of training for the new AIRSPAN wimax product for 5.8.
>> Unlike
>> most other vendors, they are going to market with their 802.16-2004
>> 5.4-5.9
>> solution and are shipping in JULY, and expect FCC certification for
>> their 802.16-2004
>> product for 4.9 Ghz as well in July! I am very excited about this as the
>> 3 plus
>> years of waiting for a viable, wimax product in a band that everyone can
>> deploy
>> in will be available.
>> 
>> 
>> So, while the equipment has not been ratified by the Wimax forum as of
>> yet, ( and 
>> they havent even decided when they will be certifying vendors ) this
>> product will
>> be either complaint as is or will require a minor software upgrade for
>> Wimax 
>> forum certified compatiability, assuming that the forum go with the
>> 802.16-2004 
>> spec as planned.
>> 
>> some notes on the product:
>> 
>> initial pricing expected to be very reasonably priced on the AP side of
>> things,
>>  
>> 
>>> 600.00 / cpe
>>>
>>> 
>> 
>> 35 mb / sector real world throughput @ 64 QAM
>> 
>> full service flow integration for QOS
>> 
>> can be used in either 5 mhz channel size or 10 mhz channel
>> 
>> zero truck roll CPE ( users can easily install the equipment )
>> 
>> full blown FCAPS compliant NMS ( Fault monitoring configuration
>> authentication provisioning security )
>> 
>> 
>> color me excited :)
>> 
>> -
>> 
>> Jeff
>>  
>> 


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Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

[Tom DeReggi]

The big delimna for years, is that Trango has the unique advantage of Dual 
Pol on the fly.
If you give up Dual Pol flexibilty, whats the point in using Trango, that's 
their main advantage.

Sure the Rootenna are cheap, we use them for our Mikrotik/StarOS CPEs.
I suggest the MTI as a match for Trango, because its the only one available 
at a reasonable price.

Even Trango's model (without the back) goes for $300.
I'm not that big a fan anymore of the MTI panels, they break way to easilly. 
I attribute it to the overly hard plastic, that does not absorb shock.

I also think MTIs are to expensive, for retail QTY1, often around $300 also.
But in Quantity the MTIs can be gotten pretty cheaply.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox


Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked out 
the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet?


They are working great for me and they are cheap.

George

Tom DeReggi wrote:

I was thinking
Although legal issues involved...  (so not indorsing or recommending this 
idea)
 An Atlas Fox, mounted inside a MTI 24 dbi Dual Pol antenna w/ stock 
radio case back, and a custom mod to bypass internal antenna and jumper 
to the ext antenna connectors, would be less expensive than both a base 
Fox5800 unit and the 5830SU, and give us 16 more additional DB, which 
would make it a fantastic combination for a high end business or 
residential CPE able to survive the noise, upgradable to OFDM, and easy 
to mount.  But most importantly, it would only be one radio CPE type to 
stock to cover all needs, allowing it to be easier to make quantity 
orders.

 In qty 25+, MTI w/ case $245 (maybe a little more with import charges)
Atlas Fox $149.
Pigtail Jumpers: $15 Total: $409.
 It would take more time to hack(build), but it would save time by not 
having to muck with the dish. So why is Trango not doing this yet?

 Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband



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Re: [WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front

[Sam Tetherow]

Color me jaded, but how can you get a zero truck roll CPE in 5.4-5.9 
unlicensed?


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

jeffrey thomas wrote:


Guys,

Just got out of training for the new AIRSPAN wimax product for 5.8.
Unlike
most other vendors, they are going to market with their 802.16-2004
5.4-5.9
solution and are shipping in JULY, and expect FCC certification for
their 802.16-2004
product for 4.9 Ghz as well in July! I am very excited about this as the
3 plus
years of waiting for a viable, wimax product in a band that everyone can
deploy
in will be available.


So, while the equipment has not been ratified by the Wimax forum as of
yet, ( and 
they havent even decided when they will be certifying vendors ) this

product will
be either complaint as is or will require a minor software upgrade for
Wimax 
forum certified compatiability, assuming that the forum go with the
802.16-2004 
spec as planned. 


some notes on the product:

initial pricing expected to be very reasonably priced on the AP side of
things,
 


600.00 / cpe
   



35 mb / sector real world throughput @ 64 QAM

full service flow integration for QOS

can be used in either 5 mhz channel size or 10 mhz channel

zero truck roll CPE ( users can easily install the equipment ) 


full blown FCAPS compliant NMS ( Fault monitoring configuration
authentication provisioning security ) 



color me excited :)

-

Jeff
 



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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[jeffrey thomas]

according to pascal in an email today, he has one more shipment coming
of 233mhz boards
in july then thats it folks...

-

Jeff

On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:54:48 -0700, "Mark Koskenmaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> Not all WRAP boards are discontinued.
> 
> 233 Mhz versions will continue production for some time yet.
> 
> 
> North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
> personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
> sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
> Fast Internet, NO WIRES!
> 
> -
> - Original Message - 
> From: "jeffrey thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" ; "WISPA General List"
> 
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device
> 
> 
> > Fyi everyone, wrap boards have been discontinued
> >
> >
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[WISPA] Good news on the wimax unlicensed front

[jeffrey thomas]

Guys,

Just got out of training for the new AIRSPAN wimax product for 5.8.
Unlike
most other vendors, they are going to market with their 802.16-2004
5.4-5.9
solution and are shipping in JULY, and expect FCC certification for
their 802.16-2004
product for 4.9 Ghz as well in July! I am very excited about this as the
3 plus
years of waiting for a viable, wimax product in a band that everyone can
deploy
in will be available.


So, while the equipment has not been ratified by the Wimax forum as of
yet, ( and 
they havent even decided when they will be certifying vendors ) this
product will
be either complaint as is or will require a minor software upgrade for
Wimax 
forum certified compatiability, assuming that the forum go with the
802.16-2004 
spec as planned. 

some notes on the product:

initial pricing expected to be very reasonably priced on the AP side of
things,
>600.00 / cpe

35 mb / sector real world throughput @ 64 QAM

full service flow integration for QOS

can be used in either 5 mhz channel size or 10 mhz channel

zero truck roll CPE ( users can easily install the equipment ) 

full blown FCAPS compliant NMS ( Fault monitoring configuration
authentication provisioning security ) 


color me excited :)

-

Jeff
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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[Mark Koskenmaki]

Not all WRAP boards are discontinued.

233 Mhz versions will continue production for some time yet.


North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
Fast Internet, NO WIRES!

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- Original Message - 
From: "jeffrey thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" ; "WISPA General List"

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device


> Fyi everyone, wrap boards have been discontinued
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] Double Ping Replies

[Scott Reed]

Thanks again, Jack.

I am going to be working on the fade margin and will post results when I have them.  Hopefully by next weekend.

Scott Reed 


Owner 


NewWays 


Wireless Networking 


Network Design, Installation and Administration 


www.nwwnet.net 




-- Original Message 
---

From: Jack Unger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 


To: WISPA General List  


Sent: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 14:48:44 -0700 


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Double Ping Replies 



> Scott, 
> 
> 

Thanks for letting me know that this problem is occuring along a chain  
> 

of three wireless hops and not just two hops. Unfortunately, this makes  

> 

trying to diagnose and correct the problem remotely (via email) even  
> 

more complex. Without me being "on site" in real time to test and  

> 

analyze the data with you, I can only give you general suggestions for  
> 

you to follow through on. 
> 
> 

1. The 7.7 dBi downstream fade margin from the DLB1300 to the CM9/RB230  

> 

is too low for this 11.3 mile "long link". Radio Mobile shows a link  

> 

distance of 18.22 km which is 11.3 miles. My fade margin "rule of 
thumb"  
> 

says this link needs a fade margin of at least 11 dB for reliable  
> 

operation. I suggest that you work on correcting this first, as I  
> 

outlined in my first email. 
> 
> 

2. When testing link quality (as opposed to just testing connectivity)  
> 

always use large (1400 byte) ping packets. Large packets will give you a  

> 

  more accurate indication of how the network will perform when handling  

> 

real-world customer traffic. 
> 
> 

3. In the future, on newly-built networks, test throughput in both  
> 

directions and make network adjustments before adding customers onto the  

> 

network. It's a lot easier to fix network problems before customers are  

> 

complaining rather than after they've been complaining. 
> 
> 

Feel free to update me after you increase the "long link" fade margin. 

> 
> 

Good luck, 
> 

            jack 
> 
> 

Scott Reed wrote: 
> 
> 

> Thanks Jack. See inline for responses. Also, 2 others asked questions so: 

> 

> 1) I have not found anything to indicate this is getting treated as a  

> 

> broadcast or network IP. 
> 

> 2) Other customers connected to the AP. And yes, they get double ping  

> 

> replies across the long link. 
> 

>  
> 

> Scott Reed 
> 

> Owner 
> 

> NewWays 
> 

> Wireless Networking 
> 

> Network Design, Installation and Administration 
> 

> www.nwwnet.net  

> 

>  
> 

>  
> 

> -- Original Message --- 
> 

> From: Jack Unger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 

> To: WISPA General List  
> 

> Sent: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 19:43:02 -0700 
> 

> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Double Ping Replies 
> 

>  
> 

>  > Scott, 
> 

>  > 
> 

>  > RADIOMOBILE PLOT - The Radio Mobile plot FROM your midpoint CPE 
back to 
> 

>  > your DLB1300 AP was very helpful and shows a fade margin of 10.7 
dB 
> 

>  > which should be enough to provide reliable performance in the 
upstream 
> 

>  > direction, assuming that the noise level is low (below the 
receiver 
> 

>  > threshold) at the near-end DLB1300. 
> 

>  
> 

>  > 
> 

>  > DOWNSTREAM FADE MARGIN - What's the fade margin in the 
downstream 
> 

>  > direction from the DLB1300 TO the midpoint CPE? 
> 

> Fade margin in reverse direction is 7.7dB. 
> 

> The fade margin will 
> 

>  > only be the same as the upstream fade margin if the DLB1300 
transmitter 
> 

>  > power output is as high or higher than the CPE transmitter power 
output 
> 

>  > AND if the midpoint CM9 receiver sensitivity (threshold) is as 
good as 
> 

>  > the DLB1300 receiver threshold. Can you do a Radio Mobile plot 
in the 
> 

>  > downstream direction to verify that the downstream fade margin 
is at 
> 

>  > least 10 dB? 
> 

>  > 
> 

>  > ADDITIONAL TESTING - Do you still get double pings if you ping 
from the 
> 

>  > first (near end) AP to the midpoint CM9 radio? Yes. 
> 

> Do you get double pings 
> 

>  > if you ping from the near-end DLB1300 AP to the second 
(midpoint) AP? 
> 

> Yes 
> 

>  > 
> 

>  > PROBLEM HISTORY - What's the history of the problem? Was the 
system 
> 

>  > working well for a certain period of time and THEN did it start 
slowing 
> 

>  > down or is this a newly-installed link that has not yet been 
proven to 
> 

>  > deliver full throughput and reliable performance in both 
directions? 
> 

> I am not sure. We put up the customers and all was fine, so I don't know  

> 

> that I have done any pings in the 6 months that they have been up. This  

> 

> week one customer called to say his connection was slow. He had  
> 

> mentioned that before and I had not noticed the ping problem, but I  

> 

> assume they are related. I have a new customer, less than 2 weeks that  

> 

> has determined he is getting packet loss, probably on the long link.  

> 

> Just heard that, so have not done any other investigation on his, though  

> 

> it does double re

[WISPA] Wireless ?

[Rick Smith]

Can anyone help me here ?
Tell me offlist pls...

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Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

[George Rogato]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Short pigtail  - less signal loss

Plus if you add in the RJ-45-ECS (Ethernet connector system) you get a nice easy
to swap unit



Dan Metcalf



Right on Dan.
Thats what we've been doing. Prebuilt, easy to install.
With the Star WAr boards we've even gone as far as adding the 2nd 
antenna port with an external nfemale bulkhead and dropping in a local 
"high quality" ap sector inside of the premises and getting away from 
using cheapo consumerable wireless routers, the ones that disapoint our 
customers and make us look bad.


George

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RE: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

[danlist]

Short pigtail  - less signal loss

Plus if you add in the RJ-45-ECS (Ethernet connector system) you get a nice easy
to swap unit



Dan Metcalf
Wireless Broadband Systems
www.wbisp.com
781-566-2053 ext 6201
1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
support: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of George Rogato
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:06 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox
> 
> The Pac Wireless 5 gig rootennas are only 19db gain.
> 
> What I like best about all of the antenna enclosures is the lack f
> cabling, just a short pigtail from the radio card to the antenna port.
> 
> Also with star you can adjust the power of the card. Default power is
> what we use mostly. No need to increase the power under most circumstance.
> 
> 
> 
> George
> 
> 
> Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
> > Remember, at 5.3 gig you are only allowed 1WATT eirp.  That's 30 dB.  If
> > you have a 24dB antenna the radio output has to be dropped down to 6dB.
> >
> > But, that's part of why I love 5.3!  Forces people to use good antennas
> > and low power radios instead of high power radios with junk antennas!
> > hehehehe
> >
> > Marlon
> > (509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
> > (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> > 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
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> >
> > - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox
> >
> >
> >> I'm using them as ap's. I have a link that is about 8 miles @ 5.3
> >>
> >> George
> >>
> >>
> >> N White wrote:
> >>> What kind of distance are you seeing with those 5G Rootennas? And
> >>> what kind of APs & Antennas are you using? Just curious - we're
> >>> looking at moving all new customers to 5Ghz.
> >>>
> >>> -Nick
> >>>
> >>> George Rogato wrote:
> >>>
>  Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you
>  checked out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet?
> 
>  They are working great for me and they are cheap.
> 
>  George
> 
>  Tom DeReggi wrote:
> 
> > I was thinking
> > Although legal issues involved...  (so not indorsing or
> > recommending this idea)
> >  An Atlas Fox, mounted inside a MTI 24 dbi Dual Pol antenna w/
> > stock radio case back, and a custom mod to bypass internal antenna
> > and jumper to the ext antenna connectors, would be less expensive
> > than both a base Fox5800 unit and the 5830SU, and give us 16 more
> > additional DB, which would make it a fantastic combination for a
> > high end business or residential CPE able to survive the noise,
> > upgradable to OFDM, and easy to mount.  But most importantly, it
> > would only be one radio CPE type to stock to cover all needs,
> > allowing it to be easier to make quantity orders.
> >  In qty 25+, MTI w/ case $245 (maybe a little more with import
> > charges)
> > Atlas Fox $149.
> > Pigtail Jumpers: $15  Total: $409.
> >  It would take more time to hack(build), but it would save time by
> > not having to muck with the dish.  So why is Trango not doing this
> > yet?
> >  Tom DeReggi
> > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> >
> 
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

[George Rogato]

The Pac Wireless 5 gig rootennas are only 19db gain.

What I like best about all of the antenna enclosures is the lack f 
cabling, just a short pigtail from the radio card to the antenna port.


Also with star you can adjust the power of the card. Default power is 
what we use mostly. No need to increase the power under most circumstance.




George


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Remember, at 5.3 gig you are only allowed 1WATT eirp.  That's 30 dB.  If 
you have a 24dB antenna the radio output has to be dropped down to 6dB.


But, that's part of why I love 5.3!  Forces people to use good antennas 
and low power radios instead of high power radios with junk antennas!  
hehehehe


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- Original Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox



I'm using them as ap's. I have a link that is about 8 miles @ 5.3

George


N White wrote:
What kind of distance are you seeing with those 5G Rootennas? And 
what kind of APs & Antennas are you using? Just curious - we're 
looking at moving all new customers to 5Ghz.


-Nick

George Rogato wrote:

Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you 
checked out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet?


They are working great for me and they are cheap.

George

Tom DeReggi wrote:


I was thinking
Although legal issues involved...  (so not indorsing or 
recommending this idea)
 An Atlas Fox, mounted inside a MTI 24 dbi Dual Pol antenna w/ 
stock radio case back, and a custom mod to bypass internal antenna 
and jumper to the ext antenna connectors, would be less expensive 
than both a base Fox5800 unit and the 5830SU, and give us 16 more 
additional DB, which would make it a fantastic combination for a 
high end business or residential CPE able to survive the noise, 
upgradable to OFDM, and easy to mount.  But most importantly, it 
would only be one radio CPE type to stock to cover all needs, 
allowing it to be easier to make quantity orders.
 In qty 25+, MTI w/ case $245 (maybe a little more with import 
charges)

Atlas Fox $149.
Pigtail Jumpers: $15  Total: $409.
 It would take more time to hack(build), but it would save time by 
not having to muck with the dish.  So why is Trango not doing this 
yet?

 Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband





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Re: [WISPA] Double Ping Replies

[Jack Unger]

Scott,

Thanks for letting me know that this problem is occuring along a chain 
of three wireless hops and not just two hops. Unfortunately, this makes 
trying to diagnose and correct the problem remotely (via email) even 
more complex. Without me being "on site" in real time to test and 
analyze the data with you, I can only give you general suggestions for 
you to follow through on.


1. The 7.7 dBi downstream fade margin from the DLB1300 to the CM9/RB230 
is too low for this 11.3 mile "long link". Radio Mobile shows a link 
distance of 18.22 km which is 11.3 miles. My fade margin "rule of thumb" 
says this link needs a fade margin of at least 11 dB for reliable 
operation. I suggest that you work on correcting this first, as I 
outlined in my first email.


2. When testing link quality (as opposed to just testing connectivity) 
always use large (1400 byte) ping packets. Large packets will give you a 
 more accurate indication of how the network will perform when handling 
real-world customer traffic.


3. In the future, on newly-built networks, test throughput in both 
directions and make network adjustments before adding customers onto the 
network. It's a lot easier to fix network problems before customers are 
complaining rather than after they've been complaining.


Feel free to update me after you increase the "long link" fade margin.

Good luck,
   jack

Scott Reed wrote:


Thanks Jack. See inline for responses. Also, 2 others asked questions so:
1) I have not found anything to indicate this is getting treated as a 
broadcast or network IP.
2) Other customers connected to the AP. And yes, they get double ping 
replies across the long link.


Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
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Sent: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 19:43:02 -0700
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Double Ping Replies

 > Scott,
 >
 > RADIOMOBILE PLOT - The Radio Mobile plot FROM your midpoint CPE back to
 > your DLB1300 AP was very helpful and shows a fade margin of 10.7 dB
 > which should be enough to provide reliable performance in the upstream
 > direction, assuming that the noise level is low (below the receiver
 > threshold) at the near-end DLB1300.

 >
 > DOWNSTREAM FADE MARGIN - What's the fade margin in the downstream
 > direction from the DLB1300 TO the midpoint CPE?
Fade margin in reverse direction is 7.7dB.
The fade margin will
 > only be the same as the upstream fade margin if the DLB1300 transmitter
 > power output is as high or higher than the CPE transmitter power output
 > AND if the midpoint CM9 receiver sensitivity (threshold) is as good as
 > the DLB1300 receiver threshold. Can you do a Radio Mobile plot in the
 > downstream direction to verify that the downstream fade margin is at
 > least 10 dB?
 >
 > ADDITIONAL TESTING - Do you still get double pings if you ping from the
 > first (near end) AP to the midpoint CM9 radio? Yes.
Do you get double pings
 > if you ping from the near-end DLB1300 AP to the second (midpoint) AP?
Yes
 >
 > PROBLEM HISTORY - What's the history of the problem? Was the system
 > working well for a certain period of time and THEN did it start slowing
 > down or is this a newly-installed link that has not yet been proven to
 > deliver full throughput and reliable performance in both directions?
I am not sure. We put up the customers and all was fine, so I don't know 
that I have done any pings in the 6 months that they have been up. This 
week one customer called to say his connection was slow. He had 
mentioned that before and I had not noticed the ping problem, but I 
assume they are related. I have a new customer, less than 2 weeks that 
has determined he is getting packet loss, probably on the long link. 
Just heard that, so have not done any other investigation on his, though 
it does double reply sometimes.
 > If the system worked well for a while and then deteriorated, I'd look 
for:

 >
 > a) A hardware problem, or
 >
 > b) An antenna alignment problem, or
 >
 > c) A high-noise level problem (the noise increased recently), or
 >
 > d) Water intrusion, or
 >
 > e) Some combination of a, b, c, or d.
 >
 > On the other hand, if the system is newly-installed and is not working
 > (and has never worked) the way you expected it to, the problem can still
 > be caused by a, b, c, d, or e (above) but it can also be something at
 > the wired Ethernet level or at the software configuration level.
 >
 > FINAL QUESTIONS
 >
 > 1. Are you absolutely sure that the customer's antenna is high enough to
 > have a wireless LOS path (including an unobstructed Fresnel Zone) back
 > to the mid-point AP? Is it possible that the 2-mile link is shooting
 > through too many treetops?
Yes, especially the new one, I can see the AP antenna from the ground 
and the antenna is 30 feet up. I do not recall seeing the tower from the 
orginal

Re: [WISPA] FCC SPECTRUM SHARING INNOVATION TEST-BED comments

[George Rogato]

1.	The Test-Bed could be used to effectuate many goals, including 
testing dynamic spectrum access techniques, developing new technologies 
for public safety,


""and streamlining spectrum coordination processes between federal and 
non-federal users.""



 We seek comment on these goals, as well as other goals that commenters 
believe will satisfy the purpose of the spectrum sharing innovation 
Test-Bed.


-

The wisp down in the Florida Keys ought to write a report on that 
situation and file it as a report of typical failure of co-ordination 
and outline the steps that would have lead to a positive resolution.


Here's an example and they should learn from it.

George


Peter R. wrote:
Released:  06/08/2006.  FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION SEEKS PUBLIC 
COMMENT ON CREATION OF A SPECTRUM SHARING INNOVATION TEST-BED. (Dkt No 
06-89). Comments Due:  07/10/2006. Reply Comments Due:  07/24/2006. (FCC 
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Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

[George Rogato]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What is the beam width of the rootenna to use it as an AP?? you must have a
bunch of them to get 360* coverage

Dan Metcalf



Yeah, Dan,
I'm using tighter beamwidths as much as possible for spectrum conservation.

I do use omni's in 2.4 quite a bit, but 5 gig I like it tight.

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RE: [WISPA] looking for a device

[danlist]

I don't think there is much out there unfortunately


But YOU CAN BUY FROM MIKROTIK direct, prebuilt units

www.mikrotik.com

click on prices/products


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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Matt Liotta
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:54 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device
> 
> I understand you are suggesting I wouldn't have to psychically build the
> devices, but that isn't what I am worried about. I want an off-the-shelf
> product that is supported by a vendor. That includes it being pre-built,
> software installed, and support available.
> 
> -Matt
> 
> Sam Tetherow wrote:
> 
> > If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your so
> > you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and
> > pigtails installed.  All you would need to do is set up the software
> > end of things, which could be done with a script once you have the
> > initial setup done.  One thing to note, I have not ordered 5Ghz
> > pigtails from wisp-router in quite sometime, but the last time I did
> > order them, their quality was questionable.
> >
> > I would bet if you went the WRAP/StarOS route wisp-router would do the
> > same.  No idea on other vendors or the WAR boards as I have never
> > ordered them.
> >
> >Sam Tetherow
> >Sandhills Wireless
> >
> > Matt Liotta wrote:
> >
> >> I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of the
> >> box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in the
> >> next 30 days.
> >>
> >> -Matt
> >>
> >> Sam Tetherow wrote:
> >>
> >>> Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I haven't
> >>> messed with the VLAN stuff.
> >>> I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on
> >>> either a WRAP or WAR board would work
> >>> as well.
> >>>
> >>>Sam Tetherow
> >>>Sandhills Wireless
> >>>
> >>> Matt Liotta wrote:
> >>>
>  I am looking for a device with the following requirements:
> 
>  * Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
>  * Can support VLANs
>  * Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
>  * Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
>  * Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different
>  VLAN than the Ethernet port
>  * Everything in a single outdoor enclosure
> 
>  Any ideas?
> 
>  -Matt
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
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RE: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

[danlist]

What is the beam width of the rootenna to use it as an AP?? you must have a
bunch of them to get 360* coverage

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of George Rogato
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:32 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox
> 
> I'm using them as ap's. I have a link that is about 8 miles @ 5.3
> 
> George
> 
> 
> N White wrote:
> > What kind of distance are you seeing with those 5G Rootennas? And what
> > kind of APs & Antennas are you using? Just curious - we're looking at
> > moving all new customers to 5Ghz.
> >
> > -Nick
> >
> > George Rogato wrote:
> >
> >> Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked
> >> out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet?
> >>
> >> They are working great for me and they are cheap.
> >>
> >> George
> >>
> >> Tom DeReggi wrote:
> >>
> >>> I was thinking
> >>> Although legal issues involved...  (so not indorsing or recommending
> >>> this idea)
> >>>
> >>> An Atlas Fox, mounted inside a MTI 24 dbi Dual Pol antenna w/ stock
> >>> radio case back, and a custom mod to bypass internal antenna and
> >>> jumper to the ext antenna connectors, would be less expensive than
> >>> both a base Fox5800 unit and the 5830SU, and give us 16 more
> >>> additional DB, which would make it a fantastic combination for a high
> >>> end business or residential CPE able to survive the noise, upgradable
> >>> to OFDM, and easy to mount.  But most importantly, it would only be
> >>> one radio CPE type to stock to cover all needs, allowing it to be
> >>> easier to make quantity orders.
> >>>
> >>> In qty 25+, MTI w/ case $245 (maybe a little more with import charges)
> >>> Atlas Fox $149.
> >>> Pigtail Jumpers: $15  Total: $409.
> >>>
> >>> It would take more time to hack(build), but it would save time by not
> >>> having to muck with the dish.  So why is Trango not doing this yet?
> >>>
> >>> Tom DeReggi
> >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] FCC SPECTRUM SHARING INNOVATION TEST-BED comments

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

We need to file on this guys.

If anyone cares to help

Also, please send me your ideas so I can get something started.

Hopefully in the next week or two I'll be able to put together some initial 
thoughts.


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Released:  06/08/2006.  FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION SEEKS PUBLIC 
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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[Matt Liotta]

Charles Wu wrote:


The bits and pieces will definitely fit in your budget (in this case, $500),
but keep in mind, integration, development, support etc adds a lot to the
"top line"

Remember, most manufacturers are selling products at 40-60% gross margin

 

Well sure, but if a manufacturer can't build a product in volume for 
significantly less than I can one-off than the manufacturer might be in 
the wrong business. If you take 25% off the $500 for cost savings and 
then mark it up 60% for margin you come out with $600. ;)


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RE: [WISPA] looking for a device

[Charles Wu]

I don't think i am unrealistic. We built a platform from off-the-shelf 
parts that meets our requirements for under $500. How well that will 
work outside of our lab coupled with the time it took to build tells us 
we want nothing to do with building our own. 


EXACTLY

The bits and pieces will definitely fit in your budget (in this case, $500),
but keep in mind, integration, development, support etc adds a lot to the
"top line"

Remember, most manufacturers are selling products at 40-60% gross margin

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Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:20 PM
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-Matt

Charles Wu wrote:

>Hi Matt,
>
>To throw in a dose of realism -- even if you roll your own Mikrotik 
>solution
>- it will most likely cost you more than the $300-600 / unit budget that
you
>have (and you get ZERO support =)
>
>Example
>
>RB532A: $185
>SR5: $105
>SR2: $105
>
>All that is is a board and 2 radio cards -- then you still need to add 
>in pigtails / poe / enclosures / stand-offs / antennas / PITA factor / 
>etc
>
>Then you got to figure out how to make it work =)
>
>For a complete, supported w/ manuals/etc, FCC CERTIFIED system -- you 
>will probably be in the $1k+ / unit ballpark (or $3k+ if you go Strix, 
>Tropos, Firetide, Skypilot, etc)
>
>-Charles
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>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>Behalf Of Matt Liotta
>Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:28 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device
>
>
>I would expect the devices to cost somewhere between $300 and $600 
>each.
>As far as support goes, I would expect it to be similar to other low 
>cost radio vendors like Trango, etc.
>
>-Matt
>
>Sam Tetherow wrote:
>
>  
>
>>What are you willing to pay and what are your support requirements?
>>
>>   Sam Tetherow
>>   Sandhills Wireless
>>
>>Matt Liotta wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I understand you are suggesting I wouldn't have to psychically build 
>>>the devices, but that isn't what I am worried about. I want an 
>>>off-the-shelf product that is supported by a vendor. That includes it 
>>>being pre-built, software installed, and support available.
>>>
>>>-Matt
>>>
>>>Sam Tetherow wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your 
so you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and 
pigtails installed.  All you would need to do is set up the software 
end of things, which could be done with a script once you have the 
initial setup done.  One thing to note, I have not ordered 5Ghz 
pigtails from wisp-router in quite sometime, but the last time I did 
order them, their quality was questionable.

I would bet if you went the WRAP/StarOS route wisp-router would do 
the same.  No idea on other vendors or the WAR boards as I have 
never ordered them.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:



>I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of 
>the box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in 
>the next 30 days.
>
>-Matt
>
>Sam Tetherow wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I 
>>haven't messed with the VLAN stuff. I am not a StarOS user, but I 
>>would bet that a StarOS setup on either a WRAP or WAR board would 
>>work as well.
>>
>>   Sam Tetherow
>>   Sandhills Wireless
>>
>>Matt Liotta wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I am looking for a device with the following requirements:
>>>
>>>* Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
>>>* Can support VLANs
>>>* Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
>>>* Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
>>>* Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different 
>>>VLAN than the Ethernet port
>>>* Everything in a single outdoor enclosure
>>>
>>>Any ideas?
>>>
>>>-Matt
>>>  
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>  
>

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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[jeffrey thomas]

my understanding is that the whole board is being disconinued. We were
notified of this ( as in pcengines is no longer taking orders ) about 2
weeks ago. I would need to clarify this with david peterson but I am
pretty sure that is the case.

-
Jeff

On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:46:09 -0400, "KyWiFi LLC"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Discontinued by Wisp-Router.com or all vendors? There's no
> mention of this on http://www.pcengines.ch Where did you hear
> this? I recall hearing that the chipset used on the current WRAP
> platform has been discontinued but to my knowledge, there is a
> replacement chipset available which will be used on future batches
> of WRAP boards.
> 
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "jeffrey thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" ; "WISPA General List"
> 
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device
> 
> 
> Fyi everyone, wrap boards have been discontinued
> 
> 
> On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:45:00 -0500, "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> said:
> > If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your so 
> > you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and 
> > pigtails installed.  All you would need to do is set up the software end 
> > of things, which could be done with a script once you have the initial 
> > setup done.  One thing to note, I have not ordered 5Ghz pigtails from 
> > wisp-router in quite sometime, but the last time I did order them, their 
> > quality was questionable.
> > 
> > I would bet if you went the WRAP/StarOS route wisp-router would do the 
> > same.  No idea on other vendors or the WAR boards as I have never 
> > ordered them.
> > 
> > Sam Tetherow
> > Sandhills Wireless
> > 
> > Matt Liotta wrote:
> > 
> > > I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of the 
> > > box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in the 
> > > next 30 days.
> > >
> > > -Matt
> > >
> > > Sam Tetherow wrote:
> > >
> > >> Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I haven't 
> > >> messed with the VLAN stuff.
> > >> I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on either 
> > >> a WRAP or WAR board would work
> > >> as well.
> > >>
> > >>Sam Tetherow
> > >>Sandhills Wireless
> > >>
> > >> Matt Liotta wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I am looking for a device with the following requirements:
> > >>>
> > >>> * Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
> > >>> * Can support VLANs
> > >>> * Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
> > >>> * Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
> > >>> * Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different 
> > >>> VLAN than the Ethernet port
> > >>> * Everything in a single outdoor enclosure
> > >>>
> > >>> Any ideas?
> > >>>
> > >>> -Matt
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > 
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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[jeffrey thomas]

Matt,

The airmatrix flex can do what you require, i think list on them is
around 350 or so but that price is coming down to around 250.00. An
additional card shouldnt be too much more per side.

-

Jeff

On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:19:35 -0400, "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> I don't think i am unrealistic. We built a platform from off-the-shelf 
> parts that meets our requirements for under $500. How well that will 
> work outside of our lab coupled with the time it took to build tells us 
> we want nothing to do with building our own. I am aware of what mesh 
> products companies like Tropos offer since we deploy Tropos networks 
> ourselves. However, they don't meet our requirements in some cases and 
> in other cases are overkill for what we need.
> 
> Ultimately, I willing to pay more than $600 for the unit if it makes 
> sense. I just threw out what I was looking to pay.
> 
> -Matt
> 
> Charles Wu wrote:
> 
> >Hi Matt,
> >
> >To throw in a dose of realism -- even if you roll your own Mikrotik solution
> >- it will most likely cost you more than the $300-600 / unit budget that you
> >have (and you get ZERO support =)
> >
> >Example
> >
> >RB532A: $185
> >SR5: $105
> >SR2: $105
> >
> >All that is is a board and 2 radio cards -- then you still need to add in
> >pigtails / poe / enclosures / stand-offs / antennas / PITA factor / etc
> >
> >Then you got to figure out how to make it work =)
> >
> >For a complete, supported w/ manuals/etc, FCC CERTIFIED system -- you will
> >probably be in the $1k+ / unit ballpark (or $3k+ if you go Strix, Tropos,
> >Firetide, Skypilot, etc)
> >
> >-Charles
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> >Behalf Of Matt Liotta
> >Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:28 PM
> >To: WISPA General List
> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device
> >
> >
> >I would expect the devices to cost somewhere between $300 and $600 each. 
> >As far as support goes, I would expect it to be similar to other low 
> >cost radio vendors like Trango, etc.
> >
> >-Matt
> >
> >Sam Tetherow wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>What are you willing to pay and what are your support requirements?
> >>
> >>   Sam Tetherow
> >>   Sandhills Wireless
> >>
> >>Matt Liotta wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I understand you are suggesting I wouldn't have to psychically build
> >>>the devices, but that isn't what I am worried about. I want an 
> >>>off-the-shelf product that is supported by a vendor. That includes it 
> >>>being pre-built, software installed, and support available.
> >>>
> >>>-Matt
> >>>
> >>>Sam Tetherow wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your
> so you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and 
> pigtails installed.  All you would need to do is set up the software 
> end of things, which could be done with a script once you have the 
> initial setup done.  One thing to note, I have not ordered 5Ghz 
> pigtails from wisp-router in quite sometime, but the last time I did 
> order them, their quality was questionable.
> 
> I would bet if you went the WRAP/StarOS route wisp-router would do
> the same.  No idea on other vendors or the WAR boards as I have 
> never ordered them.
> 
>    Sam Tetherow
>    Sandhills Wireless
> 
> Matt Liotta wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> >I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of
> >the box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in 
> >the next 30 days.
> >
> >-Matt
> >
> >Sam Tetherow wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I
> >>haven't messed with the VLAN stuff.
> >>I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on 
> >>either a WRAP or WAR board would work
> >>as well.
> >>
> >>   Sam Tetherow
> >>   Sandhills Wireless
> >>
> >>Matt Liotta wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I am looking for a device with the following requirements:
> >>>
> >>>* Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
> >>>* Can support VLANs
> >>>* Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
> >>>* Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
> >>>* Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different
> >>>VLAN than the Ethernet port
> >>>* Everything in a single outdoor enclosure
> >>>
> >>>Any ideas?
> >>>
> >>>-Matt
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >  
> >
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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[Matt Liotta]

I don't think i am unrealistic. We built a platform from off-the-shelf 
parts that meets our requirements for under $500. How well that will 
work outside of our lab coupled with the time it took to build tells us 
we want nothing to do with building our own. I am aware of what mesh 
products companies like Tropos offer since we deploy Tropos networks 
ourselves. However, they don't meet our requirements in some cases and 
in other cases are overkill for what we need.


Ultimately, I willing to pay more than $600 for the unit if it makes 
sense. I just threw out what I was looking to pay.


-Matt

Charles Wu wrote:


Hi Matt,

To throw in a dose of realism -- even if you roll your own Mikrotik solution
- it will most likely cost you more than the $300-600 / unit budget that you
have (and you get ZERO support =)

Example

RB532A: $185
SR5: $105
SR2: $105

All that is is a board and 2 radio cards -- then you still need to add in
pigtails / poe / enclosures / stand-offs / antennas / PITA factor / etc

Then you got to figure out how to make it work =)

For a complete, supported w/ manuals/etc, FCC CERTIFIED system -- you will
probably be in the $1k+ / unit ballpark (or $3k+ if you go Strix, Tropos,
Firetide, Skypilot, etc)

-Charles

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device


I would expect the devices to cost somewhere between $300 and $600 each. 
As far as support goes, I would expect it to be similar to other low 
cost radio vendors like Trango, etc.


-Matt

Sam Tetherow wrote:

 


What are you willing to pay and what are your support requirements?

  Sam Tetherow
  Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:

   


I understand you are suggesting I wouldn't have to psychically build
the devices, but that isn't what I am worried about. I want an 
off-the-shelf product that is supported by a vendor. That includes it 
being pre-built, software installed, and support available.


-Matt

Sam Tetherow wrote:

 


If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your
so you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and 
pigtails installed.  All you would need to do is set up the software 
end of things, which could be done with a script once you have the 
initial setup done.  One thing to note, I have not ordered 5Ghz 
pigtails from wisp-router in quite sometime, but the last time I did 
order them, their quality was questionable.


I would bet if you went the WRAP/StarOS route wisp-router would do
the same.  No idea on other vendors or the WAR boards as I have 
never ordered them.


  Sam Tetherow
  Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:

   


I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of
the box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in 
the next 30 days.


-Matt

Sam Tetherow wrote:

 


Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I
haven't messed with the VLAN stuff.
I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on 
either a WRAP or WAR board would work

as well.

  Sam Tetherow
  Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:

   


I am looking for a device with the following requirements:

* Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
* Can support VLANs
* Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
* Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
* Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different
VLAN than the Ethernet port
* Everything in a single outdoor enclosure

Any ideas?

-Matt
 







   



 



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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[Lonnie Nunweiler]

Some assembly required.  We do not put the antenna pieces together
since the user would have to take them apart to attach the cat5.

Lonnie

On 6/8/06, George Rogato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I have to take that back. I'm not so sure they are already assembled and
ready to go.
They might fall under "some assembly required"

Maybe Lonnie can tell us.

George

George Rogato wrote:
> Lonnie sells his war in a rootenna waiting to go.
> Support is offered via the online forums.
>
> George
>
> Matt Liotta wrote:
>> I understand you are suggesting I wouldn't have to psychically build
>> the devices, but that isn't what I am worried about. I want an
>> off-the-shelf product that is supported by a vendor. That includes it
>> being pre-built, software installed, and support available.
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>> Sam Tetherow wrote:
>>
>>> If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your
>>> so you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and
>>> pigtails installed.  All you would need to do is set up the software
>>> end of things, which could be done with a script once you have the
>>> initial setup done.  One thing to note, I have not ordered 5Ghz
>>> pigtails from wisp-router in quite sometime, but the last time I did
>>> order them, their quality was questionable.
>>>
>>> I would bet if you went the WRAP/StarOS route wisp-router would do
>>> the same.  No idea on other vendors or the WAR boards as I have never
>>> ordered them.
>>>
>>>Sam Tetherow
>>>Sandhills Wireless
>>>
>>> Matt Liotta wrote:
>>>
 I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of the
 box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in the
 next 30 days.

 -Matt

 Sam Tetherow wrote:

> Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I
> haven't messed with the VLAN stuff.
> I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on
> either a WRAP or WAR board would work
> as well.
>
>Sam Tetherow
>Sandhills Wireless
>
> Matt Liotta wrote:
>
>> I am looking for a device with the following requirements:
>>
>> * Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
>> * Can support VLANs
>> * Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
>> * Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
>> * Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different
>> VLAN than the Ethernet port
>> * Everything in a single outdoor enclosure
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> -Matt
>
>
>
>
>

>>>
>>
>
>


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RE: [WISPA] looking for a device

[Charles Wu]

Hi Matt,

To throw in a dose of realism -- even if you roll your own Mikrotik solution
- it will most likely cost you more than the $300-600 / unit budget that you
have (and you get ZERO support =)

Example

RB532A: $185
SR5: $105
SR2: $105

All that is is a board and 2 radio cards -- then you still need to add in
pigtails / poe / enclosures / stand-offs / antennas / PITA factor / etc

Then you got to figure out how to make it work =)

For a complete, supported w/ manuals/etc, FCC CERTIFIED system -- you will
probably be in the $1k+ / unit ballpark (or $3k+ if you go Strix, Tropos,
Firetide, Skypilot, etc)

-Charles

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device


I would expect the devices to cost somewhere between $300 and $600 each. 
As far as support goes, I would expect it to be similar to other low 
cost radio vendors like Trango, etc.

-Matt

Sam Tetherow wrote:

> What are you willing to pay and what are your support requirements?
>
>Sam Tetherow
>Sandhills Wireless
>
> Matt Liotta wrote:
>
>> I understand you are suggesting I wouldn't have to psychically build
>> the devices, but that isn't what I am worried about. I want an 
>> off-the-shelf product that is supported by a vendor. That includes it 
>> being pre-built, software installed, and support available.
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>> Sam Tetherow wrote:
>>
>>> If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your
>>> so you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and 
>>> pigtails installed.  All you would need to do is set up the software 
>>> end of things, which could be done with a script once you have the 
>>> initial setup done.  One thing to note, I have not ordered 5Ghz 
>>> pigtails from wisp-router in quite sometime, but the last time I did 
>>> order them, their quality was questionable.
>>>
>>> I would bet if you went the WRAP/StarOS route wisp-router would do
>>> the same.  No idea on other vendors or the WAR boards as I have 
>>> never ordered them.
>>>
>>>Sam Tetherow
>>>Sandhills Wireless
>>>
>>> Matt Liotta wrote:
>>>
 I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of
 the box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in 
 the next 30 days.

 -Matt

 Sam Tetherow wrote:

> Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I
> haven't messed with the VLAN stuff.
> I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on 
> either a WRAP or WAR board would work
> as well.
>
>Sam Tetherow
>Sandhills Wireless
>
> Matt Liotta wrote:
>
>> I am looking for a device with the following requirements:
>>
>> * Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
>> * Can support VLANs
>> * Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
>> * Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
>> * Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different
>> VLAN than the Ethernet port
>> * Everything in a single outdoor enclosure
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> -Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>>>
>>
>

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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[Jory Privett]

SkyPilot ahs a product like this  but not at for those prices.  Their 
dualband extender  has a 2.4 b/g access point with a 5.8 mesh backhaul 
system.

Jory Privett
WCCS

- Original Message - 
From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device


I would expect the devices to cost somewhere between $300 and $600 each.
As far as support goes, I would expect it to be similar to other low
cost radio vendors like Trango, etc.

-Matt

Sam Tetherow wrote:

> What are you willing to pay and what are your support requirements?
>
>Sam Tetherow
>Sandhills Wireless
>
> Matt Liotta wrote:
>
>> I understand you are suggesting I wouldn't have to psychically build
>> the devices, but that isn't what I am worried about. I want an
>> off-the-shelf product that is supported by a vendor. That includes it
>> being pre-built, software installed, and support available.
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>> Sam Tetherow wrote:
>>
>>> If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your
>>> so you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and
>>> pigtails installed.  All you would need to do is set up the software
>>> end of things, which could be done with a script once you have the
>>> initial setup done.  One thing to note, I have not ordered 5Ghz
>>> pigtails from wisp-router in quite sometime, but the last time I did
>>> order them, their quality was questionable.
>>>
>>> I would bet if you went the WRAP/StarOS route wisp-router would do
>>> the same.  No idea on other vendors or the WAR boards as I have
>>> never ordered them.
>>>
>>>Sam Tetherow
>>>Sandhills Wireless
>>>
>>> Matt Liotta wrote:
>>>
 I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of
 the box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in
 the next 30 days.

 -Matt

 Sam Tetherow wrote:

> Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I
> haven't messed with the VLAN stuff.
> I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on
> either a WRAP or WAR board would work
> as well.
>
>Sam Tetherow
>Sandhills Wireless
>
> Matt Liotta wrote:
>
>> I am looking for a device with the following requirements:
>>
>> * Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
>> * Can support VLANs
>> * Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
>> * Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
>> * Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different
>> VLAN than the Ethernet port
>> * Everything in a single outdoor enclosure
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> -Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>>>
>>
>

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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[KyWiFi LLC]

Discontinued by Wisp-Router.com or all vendors? There's no
mention of this on http://www.pcengines.ch Where did you hear
this? I recall hearing that the chipset used on the current WRAP
platform has been discontinued but to my knowledge, there is a
replacement chipset available which will be used on future batches
of WRAP boards.


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- Original Message - 
From: "jeffrey thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device


Fyi everyone, wrap boards have been discontinued


On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:45:00 -0500, "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your so 
> you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and 
> pigtails installed.  All you would need to do is set up the software end 
> of things, which could be done with a script once you have the initial 
> setup done.  One thing to note, I have not ordered 5Ghz pigtails from 
> wisp-router in quite sometime, but the last time I did order them, their 
> quality was questionable.
> 
> I would bet if you went the WRAP/StarOS route wisp-router would do the 
> same.  No idea on other vendors or the WAR boards as I have never 
> ordered them.
> 
> Sam Tetherow
> Sandhills Wireless
> 
> Matt Liotta wrote:
> 
> > I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of the 
> > box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in the 
> > next 30 days.
> >
> > -Matt
> >
> > Sam Tetherow wrote:
> >
> >> Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I haven't 
> >> messed with the VLAN stuff.
> >> I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on either 
> >> a WRAP or WAR board would work
> >> as well.
> >>
> >>Sam Tetherow
> >>Sandhills Wireless
> >>
> >> Matt Liotta wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am looking for a device with the following requirements:
> >>>
> >>> * Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
> >>> * Can support VLANs
> >>> * Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
> >>> * Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
> >>> * Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different 
> >>> VLAN than the Ethernet port
> >>> * Everything in a single outdoor enclosure
> >>>
> >>> Any ideas?
> >>>
> >>> -Matt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
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[WISPA] FCC SPECTRUM SHARING INNOVATION TEST-BED comments

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Released:  06/08/2006.  FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION SEEKS PUBLIC 
COMMENT ON CREATION OF A SPECTRUM SHARING INNOVATION TEST-BED. (Dkt No 
06-89). Comments Due:  07/10/2006. Reply Comments Due:  07/24/2006. (FCC 
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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[Matt Liotta]

I would expect the devices to cost somewhere between $300 and $600 each. 
As far as support goes, I would expect it to be similar to other low 
cost radio vendors like Trango, etc.


-Matt

Sam Tetherow wrote:


What are you willing to pay and what are your support requirements?

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:

I understand you are suggesting I wouldn't have to psychically build 
the devices, but that isn't what I am worried about. I want an 
off-the-shelf product that is supported by a vendor. That includes it 
being pre-built, software installed, and support available.


-Matt

Sam Tetherow wrote:

If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your 
so you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and 
pigtails installed.  All you would need to do is set up the software 
end of things, which could be done with a script once you have the 
initial setup done.  One thing to note, I have not ordered 5Ghz 
pigtails from wisp-router in quite sometime, but the last time I did 
order them, their quality was questionable.


I would bet if you went the WRAP/StarOS route wisp-router would do 
the same.  No idea on other vendors or the WAR boards as I have 
never ordered them.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:

I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of 
the box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in 
the next 30 days.


-Matt

Sam Tetherow wrote:

Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I 
haven't messed with the VLAN stuff.
I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on 
either a WRAP or WAR board would work

as well.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:


I am looking for a device with the following requirements:

* Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
* Can support VLANs
* Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
* Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
* Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different 
VLAN than the Ethernet port

* Everything in a single outdoor enclosure

Any ideas?

-Matt


















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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[George Rogato]

I have to take that back. I'm not so sure they are already assembled and 
ready to go.

They might fall under "some assembly required"

Maybe Lonnie can tell us.

George

George Rogato wrote:

Lonnie sells his war in a rootenna waiting to go.
Support is offered via the online forums.

George

Matt Liotta wrote:
I understand you are suggesting I wouldn't have to psychically build 
the devices, but that isn't what I am worried about. I want an 
off-the-shelf product that is supported by a vendor. That includes it 
being pre-built, software installed, and support available.


-Matt

Sam Tetherow wrote:

If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your 
so you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and 
pigtails installed.  All you would need to do is set up the software 
end of things, which could be done with a script once you have the 
initial setup done.  One thing to note, I have not ordered 5Ghz 
pigtails from wisp-router in quite sometime, but the last time I did 
order them, their quality was questionable.


I would bet if you went the WRAP/StarOS route wisp-router would do 
the same.  No idea on other vendors or the WAR boards as I have never 
ordered them.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:

I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of the 
box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in the 
next 30 days.


-Matt

Sam Tetherow wrote:

Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I 
haven't messed with the VLAN stuff.
I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on 
either a WRAP or WAR board would work

as well.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:


I am looking for a device with the following requirements:

* Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
* Can support VLANs
* Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
* Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
* Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different 
VLAN than the Ethernet port

* Everything in a single outdoor enclosure

Any ideas?

-Matt


















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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[Sam Tetherow]

What are you willing to pay and what are your support requirements?

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:

I understand you are suggesting I wouldn't have to psychically build 
the devices, but that isn't what I am worried about. I want an 
off-the-shelf product that is supported by a vendor. That includes it 
being pre-built, software installed, and support available.


-Matt

Sam Tetherow wrote:

If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your 
so you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and 
pigtails installed.  All you would need to do is set up the software 
end of things, which could be done with a script once you have the 
initial setup done.  One thing to note, I have not ordered 5Ghz 
pigtails from wisp-router in quite sometime, but the last time I did 
order them, their quality was questionable.


I would bet if you went the WRAP/StarOS route wisp-router would do 
the same.  No idea on other vendors or the WAR boards as I have never 
ordered them.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:

I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of the 
box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in the 
next 30 days.


-Matt

Sam Tetherow wrote:

Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I 
haven't messed with the VLAN stuff.
I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on 
either a WRAP or WAR board would work

as well.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:


I am looking for a device with the following requirements:

* Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
* Can support VLANs
* Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
* Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
* Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different 
VLAN than the Ethernet port

* Everything in a single outdoor enclosure

Any ideas?

-Matt















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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[George Rogato]

Lonnie sells his war in a rootenna waiting to go.
Support is offered via the online forums.

George

Matt Liotta wrote:
I understand you are suggesting I wouldn't have to psychically build the 
devices, but that isn't what I am worried about. I want an off-the-shelf 
product that is supported by a vendor. That includes it being pre-built, 
software installed, and support available.


-Matt

Sam Tetherow wrote:

If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your so 
you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and 
pigtails installed.  All you would need to do is set up the software 
end of things, which could be done with a script once you have the 
initial setup done.  One thing to note, I have not ordered 5Ghz 
pigtails from wisp-router in quite sometime, but the last time I did 
order them, their quality was questionable.


I would bet if you went the WRAP/StarOS route wisp-router would do the 
same.  No idea on other vendors or the WAR boards as I have never 
ordered them.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:

I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of the 
box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in the 
next 30 days.


-Matt

Sam Tetherow wrote:

Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I haven't 
messed with the VLAN stuff.
I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on 
either a WRAP or WAR board would work

as well.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:


I am looking for a device with the following requirements:

* Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
* Can support VLANs
* Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
* Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
* Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different 
VLAN than the Ethernet port

* Everything in a single outdoor enclosure

Any ideas?

-Matt















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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[Matt Liotta]

I could be missing the product you are suggesting, but the only dual 
radio products I can find our base station products. I not looking for a 
base station, I am looking for something client facing. Further, I see 
no mention of VLAN support.


-Matt

jeffrey thomas wrote:


Airmatrix can do that.

www.defactowireless.com


On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 13:17:30 -0400, "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
 


I am looking for a device with the following requirements:

* Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
* Can support VLANs
* Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
* Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
* Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different VLAN 
than the Ethernet port

* Everything in a single outdoor enclosure

Any ideas?

-Matt
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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[jeffrey thomas]

Fyi everyone, wrap boards have been discontinued


On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:45:00 -0500, "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your so 
> you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and 
> pigtails installed.  All you would need to do is set up the software end 
> of things, which could be done with a script once you have the initial 
> setup done.  One thing to note, I have not ordered 5Ghz pigtails from 
> wisp-router in quite sometime, but the last time I did order them, their 
> quality was questionable.
> 
> I would bet if you went the WRAP/StarOS route wisp-router would do the 
> same.  No idea on other vendors or the WAR boards as I have never 
> ordered them.
> 
> Sam Tetherow
> Sandhills Wireless
> 
> Matt Liotta wrote:
> 
> > I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of the 
> > box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in the 
> > next 30 days.
> >
> > -Matt
> >
> > Sam Tetherow wrote:
> >
> >> Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I haven't 
> >> messed with the VLAN stuff.
> >> I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on either 
> >> a WRAP or WAR board would work
> >> as well.
> >>
> >>Sam Tetherow
> >>Sandhills Wireless
> >>
> >> Matt Liotta wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am looking for a device with the following requirements:
> >>>
> >>> * Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
> >>> * Can support VLANs
> >>> * Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
> >>> * Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
> >>> * Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different 
> >>> VLAN than the Ethernet port
> >>> * Everything in a single outdoor enclosure
> >>>
> >>> Any ideas?
> >>>
> >>> -Matt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[Matt Liotta]

I understand you are suggesting I wouldn't have to psychically build the 
devices, but that isn't what I am worried about. I want an off-the-shelf 
product that is supported by a vendor. That includes it being pre-built, 
software installed, and support available.


-Matt

Sam Tetherow wrote:

If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your so 
you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and 
pigtails installed.  All you would need to do is set up the software 
end of things, which could be done with a script once you have the 
initial setup done.  One thing to note, I have not ordered 5Ghz 
pigtails from wisp-router in quite sometime, but the last time I did 
order them, their quality was questionable.


I would bet if you went the WRAP/StarOS route wisp-router would do the 
same.  No idea on other vendors or the WAR boards as I have never 
ordered them.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:

I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of the 
box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in the 
next 30 days.


-Matt

Sam Tetherow wrote:

Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I haven't 
messed with the VLAN stuff.
I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on 
either a WRAP or WAR board would work

as well.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:


I am looking for a device with the following requirements:

* Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
* Can support VLANs
* Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
* Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
* Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different 
VLAN than the Ethernet port

* Everything in a single outdoor enclosure

Any ideas?

-Matt












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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[jeffrey thomas]

Airmatrix can do that.

www.defactowireless.com


On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 13:17:30 -0400, "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> I am looking for a device with the following requirements:
> 
> * Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
> * Can support VLANs
> * Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
> * Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
> * Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different VLAN 
> than the Ethernet port
> * Everything in a single outdoor enclosure
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> -Matt
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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[Sam Tetherow]

If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your so 
you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and 
pigtails installed.  All you would need to do is set up the software end 
of things, which could be done with a script once you have the initial 
setup done.  One thing to note, I have not ordered 5Ghz pigtails from 
wisp-router in quite sometime, but the last time I did order them, their 
quality was questionable.


I would bet if you went the WRAP/StarOS route wisp-router would do the 
same.  No idea on other vendors or the WAR boards as I have never 
ordered them.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:

I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of the 
box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in the 
next 30 days.


-Matt

Sam Tetherow wrote:

Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I haven't 
messed with the VLAN stuff.
I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on either 
a WRAP or WAR board would work

as well.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:


I am looking for a device with the following requirements:

* Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
* Can support VLANs
* Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
* Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
* Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different 
VLAN than the Ethernet port

* Everything in a single outdoor enclosure

Any ideas?

-Matt









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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[Matt Liotta]

I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of the 
box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in the next 
30 days.


-Matt

Sam Tetherow wrote:

Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I haven't 
messed with the VLAN stuff.
I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on either 
a WRAP or WAR board would work

as well.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:


I am looking for a device with the following requirements:

* Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
* Can support VLANs
* Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
* Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
* Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different VLAN 
than the Ethernet port

* Everything in a single outdoor enclosure

Any ideas?

-Matt






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RE: [WISPA] looking for a device

[Rick Smith]

uhh, mikrotik w/SR2, SR5, 5 gig antenna for backhaul and 2.4 omni on the
other... 

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Subject: [WISPA] looking for a device

I am looking for a device with the following requirements:

* Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
* Can support VLANs
* Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
* Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
* Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different VLAN
than the Ethernet port
* Everything in a single outdoor enclosure

Any ideas?

-Matt
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Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

[Sam Tetherow]

Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I haven't 
messed with the VLAN stuff.
I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on either a 
WRAP or WAR board would work

as well.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Matt Liotta wrote:


I am looking for a device with the following requirements:

* Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
* Can support VLANs
* Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
* Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
* Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different VLAN 
than the Ethernet port

* Everything in a single outdoor enclosure

Any ideas?

-Matt



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[WISPA] looking for a device

[Matt Liotta]

I am looking for a device with the following requirements:

* Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
* Can support VLANs
* Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
* Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
* Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different VLAN 
than the Ethernet port

* Everything in a single outdoor enclosure

Any ideas?

-Matt
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Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Remember, at 5.3 gig you are only allowed 1WATT eirp.  That's 30 dB.  If you 
have a 24dB antenna the radio output has to be dropped down to 6dB.


But, that's part of why I love 5.3!  Forces people to use good antennas and 
low power radios instead of high power radios with junk antennas!  hehehehe


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From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox



I'm using them as ap's. I have a link that is about 8 miles @ 5.3

George


N White wrote:
What kind of distance are you seeing with those 5G Rootennas? And what 
kind of APs & Antennas are you using? Just curious - we're looking at 
moving all new customers to 5Ghz.


-Nick

George Rogato wrote:

Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked 
out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet?


They are working great for me and they are cheap.

George

Tom DeReggi wrote:


I was thinking
Although legal issues involved...  (so not indorsing or recommending 
this idea)
 An Atlas Fox, mounted inside a MTI 24 dbi Dual Pol antenna w/ stock 
radio case back, and a custom mod to bypass internal antenna and jumper 
to the ext antenna connectors, would be less expensive than both a base 
Fox5800 unit and the 5830SU, and give us 16 more additional DB, which 
would make it a fantastic combination for a high end business or 
residential CPE able to survive the noise, upgradable to OFDM, and easy 
to mount.  But most importantly, it would only be one radio CPE type to 
stock to cover all needs, allowing it to be easier to make quantity 
orders.

 In qty 25+, MTI w/ case $245 (maybe a little more with import charges)
Atlas Fox $149.
Pigtail Jumpers: $15  Total: $409.
 It would take more time to hack(build), but it would save time by not 
having to muck with the dish.  So why is Trango not doing this yet?

 Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband





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Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

[George Rogato]

I'm using them as ap's. I have a link that is about 8 miles @ 5.3

George


N White wrote:
What kind of distance are you seeing with those 5G Rootennas? And what 
kind of APs & Antennas are you using? Just curious - we're looking at 
moving all new customers to 5Ghz.


-Nick

George Rogato wrote:

Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked 
out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet?


They are working great for me and they are cheap.

George

Tom DeReggi wrote:


I was thinking
Although legal issues involved...  (so not indorsing or recommending 
this idea)
 
An Atlas Fox, mounted inside a MTI 24 dbi Dual Pol antenna w/ stock 
radio case back, and a custom mod to bypass internal antenna and 
jumper to the ext antenna connectors, would be less expensive than 
both a base Fox5800 unit and the 5830SU, and give us 16 more 
additional DB, which would make it a fantastic combination for a high 
end business or residential CPE able to survive the noise, upgradable 
to OFDM, and easy to mount.  But most importantly, it would only be 
one radio CPE type to stock to cover all needs, allowing it to be 
easier to make quantity orders.
 
In qty 25+, MTI w/ case $245 (maybe a little more with import charges)

Atlas Fox $149.
Pigtail Jumpers: $15  Total: $409.
 
It would take more time to hack(build), but it would save time by not 
having to muck with the dish.  So why is Trango not doing this yet?
 
Tom DeReggi

RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 





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Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

[N White]

What kind of distance are you seeing with those 5G Rootennas? And what 
kind of APs & Antennas are you using? Just curious - we're looking at 
moving all new customers to 5Ghz.


-Nick

George Rogato wrote:
Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked 
out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet?


They are working great for me and they are cheap.

George

Tom DeReggi wrote:

I was thinking
Although legal issues involved...  (so not indorsing or recommending 
this idea)
 
An Atlas Fox, mounted inside a MTI 24 dbi Dual Pol antenna w/ stock 
radio case back, and a custom mod to bypass internal antenna and 
jumper to the ext antenna connectors, would be less expensive than 
both a base Fox5800 unit and the 5830SU, and give us 16 more 
additional DB, which would make it a fantastic combination for a high 
end business or residential CPE able to survive the noise, upgradable 
to OFDM, and easy to mount.  But most importantly, it would only be 
one radio CPE type to stock to cover all needs, allowing it to be 
easier to make quantity orders.
 
In qty 25+, MTI w/ case $245 (maybe a little more with import charges)

Atlas Fox $149.
Pigtail Jumpers: $15  
Total: $409.
 
It would take more time to hack(build), but it would save time by not 
having to muck with the dish.  
So why is Trango not doing this yet?
 
Tom DeReggi

RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 




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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik change channel center points

[John Tully]

At 02:36 AM 6/8/2006, you wrote:
MessageA few months ago, someone said this can be done, but for the 
life of me, I can't figure it out.


Mikrotik channels are not aligned with Trango channels, and I want 
to slide/change my Mikrotik channel center points by 10 mhz so it 
matches my Trangos at the cell.


I am not sure if we will have that in the 2.9 version -- but it is 
already in the 2.10 beta (not released yet).  At the MUM meeting in 
Dallas, a number of people asked for that.  For the powerchannel 
5/10MHz channel size, I believe you can set the center channel in 
5MHz increments.


Here is a link to some pics from the MUM -- we had 140 participants!

http://mum.mikrotik.com/?go=usa

more pics
http://mum.mikrotik.com/album2/

Also, we just released the Dude (full release) and the beta of the Dude2.
http://www.mikrotik.com/thedude.php


John
www.mikrotik.com



For example, now  Mikrotik link is set at 5765.  I'd like to have it 
set at 5755.  (but 5755 not a choice in the channel selection box)


Because I have Trango channel 1 (5736) and Channel 3 (5776) in use, 
and do not want 20 mhz channels to overlap with Mikrotik..


I do however see in the manual that wireless info command can report 
channels in 5 mhz increments.


How do I set available channels to the 5 mhz increments, in MIkrotik?

(I usually use Winbox for management)
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Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

[Jeffrey Thomas]

Mti's are a lot better antenna but a bit more pricey.

-

Jeff



On 6/7/06 9:16 PM, "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked
> out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet?
> 
> They are working great for me and they are cheap.
> 
> George
> 
> Tom DeReggi wrote:
>> I was thinking
>> Although legal issues involved...  (so not indorsing or recommending
>> this idea)
>>  
>> An Atlas Fox, mounted inside a MTI 24 dbi Dual Pol antenna w/ stock
>> radio case back, and a custom mod to bypass internal antenna and jumper
>> to the ext antenna connectors, would be less expensive than both a base
>> Fox5800 unit and the 5830SU, and give us 16 more additional DB, which
>> would make it a fantastic combination for a high end business or
>> residential CPE able to survive the noise, upgradable to OFDM, and easy
>> to mount.  But most importantly, it would only be one radio CPE type to
>> stock to cover all needs, allowing it to be easier to make quantity orders.
>>  
>> In qty 25+, MTI w/ case $245 (maybe a little more with import charges)
>> Atlas Fox $149.
>> Pigtail Jumpers: $15
>>  
>> Total: $409.
>>  
>> It would take more time to hack(build), but it would save time by not
>> having to muck with the dish.
>>  
>> So why is Trango not doing this yet?
>>  
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>  
>>  
>> 


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