Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
And also at my age of over 50, who is going to employ me, only myself. You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Telcos cannot cover the sort of area we as a WISP can cover. Sure they can take the low hanging fruit, but I see it is similar to the gold rush days. The first guys cashed out big, and the well financed guys bought the best fields and made a mint. A LOT of gold was recovered by very ambitious and patient people who went over the grounds that were too barren or difficult for the big guys. We are those patient guys. We work harder and the rewards are not as large as the early days, but we are doing just fine. To put it in perspective, I know a lot of people who work harder and make less money. In that respect we are doing OK. I provide high speed Internet to people who cannot even get a phone line from the Telco. Sure they rode into town with ADSL and denied me faster than a T1 for 2 years while they converted about 2/3 of our dialup users to ADSL, but we have a higher potential for the people the Telco simply CANNOT service. We now have a 35 mbps fibre and the world looks bright. The silver lining to losing the dial up customers is that without the Telco coming in we would still have a T1. The other thing we all have going for us is that we can embrace new technology right away and not wait 10 years for it to become a commodity item. If you are willing to take advantage of new technology you will succeed. The market is there. You just have to go after it. Lonnie On 2/20/07, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Telcos. They're going to get what they want @ the FCC, which is to put the little guys out of business. It'll just be a matter of time and money, and we don't have much of either. Of course, wasn't it Marlon that said that that's what people said about us 5 yrs ago and here we are, still, today ? Look at it this way. If you're building to sell, you're building fast and furious right now, just to put yourself in the way of the next one that comes along. At some point you're going to amass enough users to make it more attractive to the Verizons and the SBC's of the world to just buy you out instead of marketing to all your customers, who are really happy campers and don't WANT to switch. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wispa Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year... And, who ISN'T building to sell right now ? The ones building to own / operate are going to get run out in the next 3 yrs. I'm curious about why you think this, Rick... -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Yes, we need to be able to charge per bit, because we have alot content providers riding on our pipe selling things to our clients. I have noticed they are less and less talking to the ISP's whose bandwidth it is that they are using. We don't need another war on the list about this either, it is a reality. CTV in Canada is offering programming from their website You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha wispa wrote: On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:49:32 -0500, Rick Smith wrote Telcos. They're going to get what they want @ the FCC, which is to put the little guys out of business. It'll just be a matter of time and money, and we don't have much of either. I'd agree with you, if you take the first impression too. Problem is, I don't really know this. Nor do I think it strongly either. Several reasons: 1. We're far enough down the food chain that the telco / cableco wars are going to result in a lot of blood on the ground and it won't much be our blood. 2. Three years is really an eternity when it comes to how rapid change has been will be and lots of perspectives have been adjusting. Of course, wasn't it Marlon that said that that's what people said about us 5 yrs ago and here we are, still, today? Well, I said 2 years ago that I am willing and able to take on ANYONE and can find a way to get myself enough market share to survive against ANYONE...except the government. They're the only people we can't survive. Look at it this way. If you're building to sell, you're building fast and furious right now, just to put yourself in the way of the next one that comes along. At some point you're going to amass enough users to make it more attractive to the Verizons and the SBC's of the world to just buy you out instead of marketing to all your customers, who are really happy campers and don't WANT to switch. If I had 1000 customers today, and was asked to take a half million dollars and walk away... I don't believe I would. I know that seems a bit crazy, but at this point in my life, going to work for someone else... is about as attractive as eating cow pies. However, I think ALL of us should be diligently looking for ways to get beyond just that 'net connection. Video, tv, ( we're all aware of VOIP, of course ), and ... well, what else? We should be building our networks with the idea that there's a future beyond surfing. We can be competitive, especially if we team up in numbers. / Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Trango reboot incident
Guys, this morning around 4:40 eastern, we had an odd incident occur. We had about 3 SUs reboot at the same time and then re-register. I checked each of the SUs and according to the uptime they all rebooted. This wouldn’t seem odd to me if it was just these 3 SUs as they are associated with the same AP and they are the 5850 fox units. The odd part is we have a Trango Link 10 in that sector as well, and the remote side of that radio rebooted at the same time as the SUs. The radios are on different buildings as well as different subnets and I know that at least 2 of the SUs and the Link10 are plugged into a battery backup. Any idea what could cause this? - Don -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Trango reboot incident
I have seen when a UPS goes into a Fault during the transfer, it is enough to reboot a device because the transfer was too slow. I have also seen when the power company Powers-Up for the day, because of the morning rush, cause an over-voltage on the UPS and causes it to fault. If you put these two together, if the power company pushes up the voltage, it causes the UPS to throw an over-voltage, thereby putting it to battery. If the transfer wasn't fast enough, it could potentially cause the units to reboot. Try unplugging the UPS several times to see if it causes the reboot. Might also try jacking into the UPS and read the logs to see if it did trip for some reason. Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Annas Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Trango reboot incident Guys, this morning around 4:40 eastern, we had an odd incident occur. We had about 3 SUs reboot at the same time and then re-register. I checked each of the SUs and according to the uptime they all rebooted. This wouldn't seem odd to me if it was just these 3 SUs as they are associated with the same AP and they are the 5850 fox units. The odd part is we have a Trango Link 10 in that sector as well, and the remote side of that radio rebooted at the same time as the SUs. The radios are on different buildings as well as different subnets and I know that at least 2 of the SUs and the Link10 are plugged into a battery backup. Any idea what could cause this? - Don -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Rick Smith wrote: actually, I've been told the opposite. Buyers of your company want as close to zero liability as possible. Especially when they will probably come in and replace your gear with theirs. If the two seem to match, you only win bigger... Finance people don't want to replace your gear; other operators may. Loans / Leases / Credit Lines are BAD in the eyes of a potential buyer. And, who ISN'T building to sell right now ? The ones building to own / operate are going to get run out in the next 3 yrs. In all my years working with VCs, I have never met one that thought leases were a bad idea. Leasing companies allow VC funded companies to better leverage their capital. However, it is important to understand that loans, leases, and credit lines are not at all the same thing. Leases are not balance sheet items like loans and credit lines. Leases are an SGA item. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango reboot incident
What kind of battery backup? If it's not an AVR (automatic voltage regulating) UPS, then I'd guess you had a power spike. I've seen spikes reboot radios if when those radios were connected to dumb UPS's. - Larry - Original Message - From: Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:31 AM Subject: [WISPA] Trango reboot incident Guys, this morning around 4:40 eastern, we had an odd incident occur. We had about 3 SUs reboot at the same time and then re-register. I checked each of the SUs and according to the uptime they all rebooted. This wouldn’t seem odd to me if it was just these 3 SUs as they are associated with the same AP and they are the 5850 fox units. The odd part is we have a Trango Link 10 in that sector as well, and the remote side of that radio rebooted at the same time as the SUs. The radios are on different buildings as well as different subnets and I know that at least 2 of the SUs and the Link10 are plugged into a battery backup. Any idea what could cause this? - Don -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Trango reboot incident
Guys, this is attributed the a power outage. I will check on the UPS units to verify what is out there. Then units we had were pretty inexpensive and they must not have the AVR as Larry suggested. At any rate, this happened again just a big ago for 8 minutes and we confirmed it was a power outage. - Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Yunker Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 11:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango reboot incident What kind of battery backup? If it's not an AVR (automatic voltage regulating) UPS, then I'd guess you had a power spike. I've seen spikes reboot radios if when those radios were connected to dumb UPS's. - Larry - Original Message - From: Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:31 AM Subject: [WISPA] Trango reboot incident Guys, this morning around 4:40 eastern, we had an odd incident occur. We had about 3 SUs reboot at the same time and then re-register. I checked each of the SUs and according to the uptime they all rebooted. This wouldn’t seem odd to me if it was just these 3 SUs as they are associated with the same AP and they are the 5850 fox units. The odd part is we have a Trango Link 10 in that sector as well, and the remote side of that radio rebooted at the same time as the SUs. The radios are on different buildings as well as different subnets and I know that at least 2 of the SUs and the Link10 are plugged into a battery backup. Any idea what could cause this? - Don -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] TV Whitespaces filings
Hi All, There has been more activity on the TV band issue. I've attached the WISPA comments. PLEASE read them and file comments of your own. On your filing it should be on company letterhead. State that you support the WISPA stance and add any other comments you may have. Guys, this is REALLY important! There is quite a bit of spectrum on the block, it's all sub ghz and in most of the country it's totally unused as soon as the DTV transition is done. Here is the latest WISPA filing. Make sure you do yours too! http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=18 Do you want to be able to build 40 mile cells? You need this. Want to be able to build systems in the middle of the forests your subs live in? You need this. Want a system that's designed to automatically coordinate with other users in your area? Tell the FCC that! You've all seen the discussions on this issue over the years. It's not going away. This band WILL be allocated to someone. Probably unlicensed but that's not set in stone by any means! There are those working to add requirements that will kill the band from a practical standpoint. You HAVE to file on this, even if it's just to say that you support the WISPA filing. To file go to this link and put 04-186 in the top left box: http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi Just fill in the blanks, then go down to the next level and attach your comments. Select the type of document (PDF, word etc.) and submit it. This is very simple to do and the VOLUME of filings matters too. If you'd like to see what the latest from the FCC is on the issue: The first NPRM: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-04-113A1.pdf Further NPRM (latest): http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-156A1.pdf To read what others have said, just put 04-186 into the box on the top left: http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi WISPA's confirmation number is: 2007220485913 Sincerely, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango reboot incident
Here I would stress the use of SNMP smart cards in UPS systems. They don't add that much cost to a site, and you get paid back the first time something like this happens due to the notification features. I just got notified a few days ago that a system of mine has batteries that have failed. So if I did not have this notification, I would be going along happily thinking I'm protected when I'm not and I would have about 60 customers down for a couple hours (if I was able to act immediately, that is). Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:21 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango reboot incident Guys, this is attributed the a power outage. I will check on the UPS units to verify what is out there. Then units we had were pretty inexpensive and they must not have the AVR as Larry suggested. At any rate, this happened again just a big ago for 8 minutes and we confirmed it was a power outage. - Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Yunker Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 11:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango reboot incident What kind of battery backup? If it's not an AVR (automatic voltage regulating) UPS, then I'd guess you had a power spike. I've seen spikes reboot radios if when those radios were connected to dumb UPS's. - Larry - Original Message - From: Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:31 AM Subject: [WISPA] Trango reboot incident Guys, this morning around 4:40 eastern, we had an odd incident occur. We had about 3 SUs reboot at the same time and then re-register. I checked each of the SUs and according to the uptime they all rebooted. This wouldn’t seem odd to me if it was just these 3 SUs as they are associated with the same AP and they are the 5850 fox units. The odd part is we have a Trango Link 10 in that sector as well, and the remote side of that radio rebooted at the same time as the SUs. The radios are on different buildings as well as different subnets and I know that at least 2 of the SUs and the Link10 are plugged into a battery backup. Any idea what could cause this? - Don -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Even at 51% be sure that the contract contains the following: - that you get 51% of the voting and decision making. - How everyone exits. - What are their responsibilities. - What about a stale-mate - How is that handled? You probably have a lawyer with you who specializes in corporate or contract law, right? Good luck! Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc. (813) 963-5884 Rick Smith wrote: Oh, I've been in the partnership thing, got screwed, and was lucky enough to figure out how to negotiate for 100% ownership of the company that I built and my deadbeat partner didn't help with. So, now here I stand, smarter for the experience, but also looking at a pool of vultures ready to hand me money but wanting 75% equity. lol. yah. Came out of meetings today with a whole bunch better group of people, and my stance is to never own less than 51%. At least this group respected that. Thanks -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Alvarion + PoE switchgear
Has anyone ever tried powering Alvarion gear with a PoE switch? I'm curious about trying something like that. Radio hard locked and need reset? Down the port =) -- Adam Kennedy Network Administrator Cyberlink International Phone: 888-293-3693 Fax: 888-293-3995 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Or until the FCC continues to allow you to be in business. Tom DeReggi wrote: Yeah I disagree. If I shut down its because I get tired, not because I get run out. There becomes a point, when the only big cost is roof space, and a big company tends to pay more for roof rights. When I'm debt free, not sure how someone can run me out. I can just give it away, and still survive. Maybe not yet, but in a couple more years, thats where I'll be. I'm already on my Gigabit backbone plans, fiber isn't necessarily a killer either. I agree that Wireless was meant to be a transition product, but once its in place, not sure it will get wiped out. Even for a redundancy play it has a life of another 10-20 years. And anyway you slice it the big boys will never be able to offer personal service. I could stay in this business for quite awhile if I want to. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FW: [Wisp] New WISPA Principle Member
WISPA has a new paid Principle WISP Member, welcome David Hulsebus of Portative Technologies. WISPA requires funding in order to operate and to lobby for our industry. We appreciate those of you who recognize this and help us with your time and money. Here is an introduction for our newest WISPA member: Portative Technologies was founded in 2002 providing high-speed Internet access to Harrison county, Indiana. I started my career after leaving the military in 1974 repairing TV's and radio's in a small town in northern Iowa. I left in 1980 to join IBM as a research engineer in Boulder,Colorado working with laser and printing technologies. My family relocated to Louisville, Kentucky in 1986 to help IBM start a division working with school systems across the country. In 1996 I left and helped start the company, NetSchools. We developed wireless laptops and wireless networks for school systems, titanium cases, no moving parts, flash memory, Windoze and Citrix based, virtually indestructible systems. That company was sold in 2002 to Plato Learning, and with prompting from the local business community decided to risk my future retirement and began Portative Technologies. We now cover most of Harrison county, parts of Floyd, Crawford, and into the Louisville area. I joined WISPA after a year following the mailing list. I look forward to the frank though provoking discussions I have come to see on this list. I believe, and the reason I joined, that this organization is one of the few that can have a direct impact on the FCC s' decision making processes and one that will help shape the future of the wireless industry. Thank you, David Hulsebus Portative Technologies Thank you again! If any of the rest of you want to help support the efforts of your industry then please go to http://signup.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ and fill out the application. It takes about 2 minutes and won't hurt a bit! Respectively, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA ___ WISP mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wisp -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations
The Telcos all over are deploying 400 mW units-anything that says 2WIRE is 400 mW. John -Original Message- From: Lonnie Nunweiler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 09:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations Precisely why X2 cloaking is so important. It doubles the number of channels and X4 gives 11 of them back to us. X4 gives about 7 mbps with non compressible data and over 12 mbps with compressible data. Better than a standard B model with perfect conditions. The other thing to keep in mind is that all of those channel 6 units attached to ADSL lines are typically unused or lightly used. They connect with an ADSL line and thus cannot even begin to consume the total air time. The Telco here is distributing units with 400 mW radaios whether the client even wants wireless in their home. It does not even phase a cloaked connection so we are OK with it. Lonnie On 2/15/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There USED to be three non overlapping channels. Now channel 6 overlaps with every third house in many markets :-). Marlon - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations Standard Wifi has 3 channels that do not overlap. X4 cloaking has 6 channels that do not overlap and X4 cloaking has 11 channels that do not overlap. We use 4 WLM-54G radios in a WAR4 and have seen no great issues unless two active radios are on the same channel. I am not sure about 6 but I know for sure that 4 works fine. Incidentally the SR9 has almost NO leakage. Even with the cards side by side they will not link up. In order to get anything from them you need a pigtail and an antenna. Lonnie On 2/15/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd recommend against that idea Matt. ALL devices leak some energy. And the amount of interference you'll create for yourself at inches vs. feet is amazing. If you can keep things 3 feet apart there is much less energy, small small fractions in fact. Alvarion with their FHSS gear can get away with such things because they can always stay enough hopping channels away from near by radios. FHSS has 72 (or is it only 70?) channels to choose from. WiFi has basically 2 these days. Where this one gets hard to explain is that people build such critters, test them in the lap and then say that they work. Life will change dramatically however, once installed into a working system AND with the addition of real customers with real traffic. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations I thought you were already working with Deliberant on just such an animal. Where are you guys with that? I know they have a dual radio unit capable of 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz in the same box. Scriv Matt Liotta wrote: We don't do much Wi-Fi, so I figured I would ask the list. If I wanted to deploy a number of Wi-Fi radios at the same location what kind of setups are available? I am looking for something where I can deploy one physical box that has multiple radios as opposed to a single box per radio. Ideally, it would be something modular where I can have a variable number of radio interfaces by simply adding cards. Does anything like that exist? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations
Hm.. My understanding is that 400mw radios are generally not FCC compliant.If that is the case, then there are a lot of telcos that have been selling non-compliant equipment in the form of those DSL modems that they sell to their customers. Just a thought. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com John J. Thomas wrote: The Telcos all over are deploying 400 mW units-anything that says 2WIRE is 400 mW. John -Original Message- From: Lonnie Nunweiler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 09:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations Precisely why X2 cloaking is so important. It doubles the number of channels and X4 gives 11 of them back to us. X4 gives about 7 mbps with non compressible data and over 12 mbps with compressible data. Better than a standard B model with perfect conditions. The other thing to keep in mind is that all of those channel 6 units attached to ADSL lines are typically unused or lightly used. They connect with an ADSL line and thus cannot even begin to consume the total air time. The Telco here is distributing units with 400 mW radaios whether the client even wants wireless in their home. It does not even phase a cloaked connection so we are OK with it. Lonnie On 2/15/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There USED to be three non overlapping channels. Now channel 6 overlaps with every third house in many markets :-). Marlon - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations Standard Wifi has 3 channels that do not overlap. X4 cloaking has 6 channels that do not overlap and X4 cloaking has 11 channels that do not overlap. We use 4 WLM-54G radios in a WAR4 and have seen no great issues unless two active radios are on the same channel. I am not sure about 6 but I know for sure that 4 works fine. Incidentally the SR9 has almost NO leakage. Even with the cards side by side they will not link up. In order to get anything from them you need a pigtail and an antenna. Lonnie On 2/15/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd recommend against that idea Matt. ALL devices leak some energy. And the amount of interference you'll create for yourself at inches vs. feet is amazing. If you can keep things 3 feet apart there is much less energy, small small fractions in fact. Alvarion with their FHSS gear can get away with such things because they can always stay enough hopping channels away from near by radios. FHSS has 72 (or is it only 70?) channels to choose from. WiFi has basically 2 these days. Where this one gets hard to explain is that people build such critters, test them in the lap and then say that they work. Life will change dramatically however, once installed into a working system AND with the addition of real customers with real traffic. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations I thought you were already working with Deliberant on just such an animal. Where are you guys with that? I know they have a dual radio unit capable of 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz in the same box. Scriv Matt Liotta wrote: We don't do much Wi-Fi, so I figured I would ask the list. If I wanted to deploy a number of Wi-Fi radios at the same location what kind of setups are available? I am looking for something where I can deploy one physical box that has multiple radios as opposed to a single box per radio. Ideally, it would be something modular where I can have a variable number of radio interfaces by simply adding cards. Does anything like that exist? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations
400mw into a rubber duck (usually almost no gain) is probably fine. There are plenty of radios that are certified at 400 mw. Unless the rubber duck is 10 dB, I think you are fine. One that comes to mind is the Tropos 5210 mesh node. It even has 2 7.4 dBi antennas on it. It's ERP is supposedly 4 watts - which is way too much, still for a mesh with 30 nodes per sq mile, and has to be turned down anyway. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations Hm.. My understanding is that 400mw radios are generally not FCC compliant.If that is the case, then there are a lot of telcos that have been selling non-compliant equipment in the form of those DSL modems that they sell to their customers. Just a thought. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com John J. Thomas wrote: The Telcos all over are deploying 400 mW units-anything that says 2WIRE is 400 mW. John -Original Message- From: Lonnie Nunweiler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 09:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations Precisely why X2 cloaking is so important. It doubles the number of channels and X4 gives 11 of them back to us. X4 gives about 7 mbps with non compressible data and over 12 mbps with compressible data. Better than a standard B model with perfect conditions. The other thing to keep in mind is that all of those channel 6 units attached to ADSL lines are typically unused or lightly used. They connect with an ADSL line and thus cannot even begin to consume the total air time. The Telco here is distributing units with 400 mW radaios whether the client even wants wireless in their home. It does not even phase a cloaked connection so we are OK with it. Lonnie On 2/15/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There USED to be three non overlapping channels. Now channel 6 overlaps with every third house in many markets :-). Marlon - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations Standard Wifi has 3 channels that do not overlap. X4 cloaking has 6 channels that do not overlap and X4 cloaking has 11 channels that do not overlap. We use 4 WLM-54G radios in a WAR4 and have seen no great issues unless two active radios are on the same channel. I am not sure about 6 but I know for sure that 4 works fine. Incidentally the SR9 has almost NO leakage. Even with the cards side by side they will not link up. In order to get anything from them you need a pigtail and an antenna. Lonnie On 2/15/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd recommend against that idea Matt. ALL devices leak some energy. And the amount of interference you'll create for yourself at inches vs. feet is amazing. If you can keep things 3 feet apart there is much less energy, small small fractions in fact. Alvarion with their FHSS gear can get away with such things because they can always stay enough hopping channels away from near by radios. FHSS has 72 (or is it only 70?) channels to choose from. WiFi has basically 2 these days. Where this one gets hard to explain is that people build such critters, test them in the lap and then say that they work. Life will change dramatically however, once installed into a working system AND with the addition of real customers with real traffic. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] multi-radio Wi-Fi base stations I thought you were already working with Deliberant on just such an animal. Where are you guys with that? I know they have a dual radio unit capable of 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz in the same box. Scriv Matt Liotta wrote: We don't do much Wi-Fi, so I figured I would ask the list. If I wanted to deploy a number of Wi-Fi radios at the same location what kind of setups are available? I am looking for something where I can deploy one physical box that has multiple radios as opposed to a single box per radio. Ideally, it would be something modular where I can have a variable number of radio interfaces by simply adding cards. Does anything like that exist? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Fw: Fw: [isp-wireless] FBI .......... Changed to CALEA and WISPs...
Hi All, I hate confusion and unanswered questions. So I sent this thread (names removed) to the HEAD of the CALEA group at the FBI. I've already been talking to Maura so I thought this appropriate. Anyway, the word from the top is that if you are a facilities base provider you fall under CALEA just like you do the 477 and 445 at the FCC. I'll let folks know more when I know more. laters, marlon - Original Message - To: 'Marlon K . Schafer 982-2181' ; 509 Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 11:12 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [isp-wireless] FBI .. Changed to CALEA and WISPs... Hi Marlon, First, sorry I missed your folks last week. Unfortunately I was stuck in Albany, NY for several days because of a blizzard. Second, thanks for sending this email to me. I can see that there is some confusion about who must comply. It's hard for me to tell from the email trail what services the WISP member is providing. As we talked about before, if a provider is offering Broadband Internet Access or VoIP to the public then that provider must be CALEA compliant by May 14, 2007. I'd be happy to meet with folks from WISP in the next couple of weeks so we can talk through these issues. Thanks, Maura On Wed Feb 21 10:29 , Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 sent: Hi Maura, At the risk of seeming silly, and in the hopes that this gets no one in trouble, I thought that you should see this thread from a public mailing list. I'd like your comments on the accuracy of what we've been told here. The basic thrust of this is that we, as small rural wisps, won't have to be calea compliant for various reasons. I'd like to get our meeting with your team rescheduled as soon as it makes sense. A couple of weeks down the road should give me time to find people in the area that can attend. Assuming that something has been lost in the interpretation here, we really really need to get a wisp/small operator standard in place before the final deadline. Thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] FBI .. Changed to CALEA and WISPs... Yes. I told them I had a T1 to my location and provided wireless broadband connections to customers. He told me the FBI side of CALEA was only interested in the VOIP carriers. He said he had many calls to make for the forms filed by those that didn't need to. He did say and I did mention, this call was only for the FBI side and that the FCC still has their side of this requirement and send a letter to me after if they are not interested in us. His phone number 703-632-6163, I don't remember his name, I was driving when he called. - Original Message - To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] FBI .. Changed to CALEA and WISPs... What I'm reading is you told them you are NOT a carrier. Key word is CARRIER. Did you tell them that you bought your internet from an upstream provider and installed your own equipment such as radio transmitters and routers and sold service to the public across your own network which you own and operate? I think there would be quite a few more questions to be asked before I would assume I was clear that I did not have to file. It's easy to take the first NO answer and run with it, but due diligence would require that you have a very indepth and revealing conversation with them. The fines are mighty stiff and if your right, which I would hope you are, I would want to be 100% right. I doubt I could afford a lawyer to get me out of this sort of mess with a huge beaurocracy like the FBI-Justice Dept. Just trying to be carefull. Yes, here is what happened. Prior I was told by Mr. McCain to file the forms on time because he didn't think he could get answers quick enough. Today I received a call from the FBI CALEA group in Arlington County, Virginia telling me I did not have to worry about being CALEA compliant for them because I was not a carrier. I did not provide VOIP, (Not the same as re-selling) If I was not the carrier of the VOIP I was not required to be CALEA compliant for the FBI. Even if I re-sold VOIP services, I was not required to be compliant for CALEA on the FBI side the actual carrier was. Vonage, Packet8 etc.. They did tell me they could not send me the letter that I was not required to be compliant, that the FCC still had to do their part of the CALEA. The FBI only receives a copy of the form, The FCC also has
Re: [WISPA] Fw: Fw: [isp-wireless] FBI .......... Changed to CALEA and WISPs...
That was an excellent thing to do Marlon. Big pat on the back :) I would hate to be the person that believes they don't have to file because of a post on a list. The only way I would NOT file something is if my attorney who I knew had direct contact with their attorney(s) told me he received in writing an opinion that we did not have to file. if the attorney I used a couple months ago on a contract thing told me I didn't have to file, I wouldn't believe him. It's too serious and the fines are just too stiff. Very scary stuff. But I would like the group that goes to DC this next trip to specifically ask: If an ISP hands out static Public IP's to every customer and his upstream is calea compliant, is he covered, assuming no voip is involved. George Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I hate confusion and unanswered questions. So I sent this thread (names removed) to the HEAD of the CALEA group at the FBI. I've already been talking to Maura so I thought this appropriate. Anyway, the word from the top is that if you are a facilities base provider you fall under CALEA just like you do the 477 and 445 at the FCC. I'll let folks know more when I know more. laters, marlon - Original Message - To: 'Marlon K . Schafer 982-2181' ; 509 Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 11:12 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [isp-wireless] FBI .. Changed to CALEA and WISPs... Hi Marlon, First, sorry I missed your folks last week. Unfortunately I was stuck in Albany, NY for several days because of a blizzard. Second, thanks for sending this email to me. I can see that there is some confusion about who must comply. It's hard for me to tell from the email trail what services the WISP member is providing. As we talked about before, if a provider is offering Broadband Internet Access or VoIP to the public then that provider must be CALEA compliant by May 14, 2007. I'd be happy to meet with folks from WISP in the next couple of weeks so we can talk through these issues. Thanks, Maura On Wed Feb 21 10:29 , Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 sent: Hi Maura, At the risk of seeming silly, and in the hopes that this gets no one in trouble, I thought that you should see this thread from a public mailing list. I'd like your comments on the accuracy of what we've been told here. The basic thrust of this is that we, as small rural wisps, won't have to be calea compliant for various reasons. I'd like to get our meeting with your team rescheduled as soon as it makes sense. A couple of weeks down the road should give me time to find people in the area that can attend. Assuming that something has been lost in the interpretation here, we really really need to get a wisp/small operator standard in place before the final deadline. Thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] FBI .. Changed to CALEA and WISPs... Yes. I told them I had a T1 to my location and provided wireless broadband connections to customers. He told me the FBI side of CALEA was only interested in the VOIP carriers. He said he had many calls to make for the forms filed by those that didn't need to. He did say and I did mention, this call was only for the FBI side and that the FCC still has their side of this requirement and send a letter to me after if they are not interested in us. His phone number 703-632-6163, I don't remember his name, I was driving when he called. - Original Message - To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] FBI .. Changed to CALEA and WISPs... What I'm reading is you told them you are NOT a carrier. Key word is CARRIER. Did you tell them that you bought your internet from an upstream provider and installed your own equipment such as radio transmitters and routers and sold service to the public across your own network which you own and operate? I think there would be quite a few more questions to be asked before I would assume I was clear that I did not have to file. It's easy to take the first NO answer and run with it, but due diligence would require that you have a very indepth and revealing conversation with them. The fines are mighty stiff and if your right, which I would hope you are, I would want to be 100% right. I doubt I could afford a lawyer to get me out of this sort of mess with a huge beaurocracy like the FBI-Justice Dept. Just trying to be carefull. Yes, here is what happened. Prior I was told by Mr. McCain
Re: [WISPA] Fw: Fw: [isp-wireless] FBI .......... Changed to CALEAand WISPs...
I would think that just having a CALEA compliant upstream would not satisfy the requirement. Some traffic would be untraceable. Here's the logic: Target to be monitored is at 10.0.0.10. Your EMAIL server is inside YOUR network at 10.0.0.100 Your upstream gets told to trap and tap all information going to or from 10.0.0.10 All of 10.0.0.10's email would go from 10.0.0.10 to 10.0.0.100. Then the email would go out to your upstream with IP address 10.0.0.100 sneaking right past the traps set at the upstream. Of course, the aforementioned mail transit problem is something that is going to happen and you as the end ISP won't be able to trap that traffic either unless you place the trap between the client and the email server. Larry Yunker - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Fw: [isp-wireless] FBI .. Changed to CALEAand WISPs... That was an excellent thing to do Marlon. Big pat on the back :) I would hate to be the person that believes they don't have to file because of a post on a list. The only way I would NOT file something is if my attorney who I knew had direct contact with their attorney(s) told me he received in writing an opinion that we did not have to file. if the attorney I used a couple months ago on a contract thing told me I didn't have to file, I wouldn't believe him. It's too serious and the fines are just too stiff. Very scary stuff. But I would like the group that goes to DC this next trip to specifically ask: If an ISP hands out static Public IP's to every customer and his upstream is calea compliant, is he covered, assuming no voip is involved. George Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I hate confusion and unanswered questions. So I sent this thread (names removed) to the HEAD of the CALEA group at the FBI. I've already been talking to Maura so I thought this appropriate. Anyway, the word from the top is that if you are a facilities base provider you fall under CALEA just like you do the 477 and 445 at the FCC. I'll let folks know more when I know more. laters, marlon - Original Message - To: 'Marlon K . Schafer 982-2181' ; 509 Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 11:12 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [isp-wireless] FBI .. Changed to CALEA and WISPs... Hi Marlon, First, sorry I missed your folks last week. Unfortunately I was stuck in Albany, NY for several days because of a blizzard. Second, thanks for sending this email to me. I can see that there is some confusion about who must comply. It's hard for me to tell from the email trail what services the WISP member is providing. As we talked about before, if a provider is offering Broadband Internet Access or VoIP to the public then that provider must be CALEA compliant by May 14, 2007. I'd be happy to meet with folks from WISP in the next couple of weeks so we can talk through these issues. Thanks, Maura On Wed Feb 21 10:29 , Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 sent: Hi Maura, At the risk of seeming silly, and in the hopes that this gets no one in trouble, I thought that you should see this thread from a public mailing list. I'd like your comments on the accuracy of what we've been told here. The basic thrust of this is that we, as small rural wisps, won't have to be calea compliant for various reasons. I'd like to get our meeting with your team rescheduled as soon as it makes sense. A couple of weeks down the road should give me time to find people in the area that can attend. Assuming that something has been lost in the interpretation here, we really really need to get a wisp/small operator standard in place before the final deadline. Thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] FBI .. Changed to CALEA and WISPs... Yes. I told them I had a T1 to my location and provided wireless broadband connections to customers. He told me the FBI side of CALEA was only interested in the VOIP carriers. He said he had many calls to make for the forms filed by those that didn't need to. He did say and I did mention, this call was only for the FBI side and that the FCC still has their side of this requirement and send a letter to me after if they are not interested in us. His phone number 703-632-6163, I don't remember his name, I was driving when he called. - Original Message - To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] FBI .. Changed to CALEA and
[WISPA] canopy innards
Hi, Does anyone happen to have pictures of the inner-workings of Canopy SMs/APs? Just curious to know what's inside without busting one myself. Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WRAP board CF losing all software!!!!
Hi all, I recently came across a problem that I have been unable to resolve. I have a bunch of WRAP boards with StarOS software on them, and for some reason about half of them have lost their firmware, and the WRAP shows that there is no software. This has happened to boards right out of the packaging, and it has also happened with boards that were programmed ahead of time and working fine on the bench - then lost it all when they are powered up in the field. It is not just isolated to one location either - this problem has duplicated itself in three states, with three different groups of installers. Not many things more frustrating than to go on site and put in a board that has completely lost everything. The only thing in common with all of these WRAP boards is that they are new and all were ordered from the same place (Defacto Wireless). Does anyone have any ideas here? I have about 80 more of these to deploy and I'd really like to figure out what is going on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
