Re: [WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis.
I am still gimping from knee surgery and can't drive and I am not taking a limo to show me. Course if I do go, maybe V can repay the favor ( wink, wink ). -- Original Message -- From: Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 22:41:56 -0400 Is Stuart going to be there? I'm afraid there will just be a bunch of imposters. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Delp Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 5:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis. That would be a Stuart thing. :) Mike On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Say hi to the girls of East St. Luis for me. says Marco with an evil grin - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Toledo Stoplight Festival
Just so you know that besides running a WISP, community involvement is very important. Mark your calendars! SPECIAL - Toledo, Iowa - July 2, 2010 The stage is set. The preparations are made. There is a festival coming to Toledo. Friday July 9, 2010, on the Tama County Courthouse lawn, in downtown Toledo, the Toledo Stoplight Festival will unfold in conjunction with the Toledo Farmers Market and the annual Tama Toledo Chamber of Commerce Barbecue Cook-off. When the Farmers Market whistle blows at 5:00 PM, the festivities will begin, and continue until 8:00. By that time the barbecue artists will be ready for you to sample their creations. Besides the samples, you will be given a ballot to vote for the best fare. A cook-off plate will cost you $2.00 and will be reserved for the first 200 guests. At 5:15, Tama County Cattlemen's Association and other vendors will be ready to serve. Four Happy Chaps, a local band will take the stage for an hour of rousing music. The Toledo Fire Department will host a kid's water fight north of the Square. Many other kid's activities will begin at this time, including a bounce castle, face painting and washable tattoos. At 5:30 Toledo Christian ATA will provide the guests with a Tae Kwon Do demonstration. At 6:00 the Sandhill Kid's Nickel Scramble will begin. At 6:15 The Chamber of Commerce will have a tribute. At 6:30, until festival close at 8:00, Mr. Babor's Neighbors, a popular band from Des Moines will take the stage. At 7:00 the Barbecue Cook-off winner will be announced. Commemorative tee-shirts sporting the professionally created festival logo will be available at the festival for $10.00. Organizers are billing the festival as a night of fun on the Square, for the entire family. Guests are encouraged to bring their lawn chairs or blankets and settle in for an enjoyable evening. Guests may bring their own food and refreshments, or buy from the various vendors who will be set-up around the Square. The Toledo Stoplight has been a fixture in Downtown Toledo since October of 1949. Similar to many city center stoplights of that era, the Toledo Stoplight has been the source of controversy over the years. There are those who would remove it in the name of progress, and those who wish to maintain the stoplight for posterity. The Stoplight has been upgraded over the years, and currently has high tech, multi-element LED indicators skillfully hidden in the vintage fixture. The pole, mechanism and lights sit high on a concrete pedestal which was recently re-poured and painted. Mark your calendars, pack your blanket. You are in for a wonderful night of entertainment in Toledo. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis.
LOL Stuart, no Limo for me ;-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis. I am still gimping from knee surgery and can't drive and I am not taking a limo to show me. Course if I do go, maybe V can repay the favor ( wink, wink ). -- Original Message -- From: Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 22:41:56 -0400 Is Stuart going to be there? I'm afraid there will just be a bunch of imposters. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Delp Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 5:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The hitch hikers guide to St. Louis. That would be a Stuart thing. :) Mike On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Say hi to the girls of East St. Luis for me. says Marco with an evil grin - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2975 - Release Date: 07/01/10 13:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Toledo Stoplight Festival
Sorry to miss it Mike. Maybe next year... Mike wrote: Just so you know that besides running a WISP, community involvement is very important. Mark your calendars! SPECIAL - Toledo, Iowa - July 2, 2010 The stage is set. The preparations are made. There is a festival coming to Toledo. Friday July 9, 2010, on the Tama County Courthouse lawn, in downtown Toledo, the Toledo Stoplight Festival will unfold in conjunction with the Toledo Farmers Market and the annual Tama Toledo Chamber of Commerce Barbecue Cook-off. When the Farmers Market whistle blows at 5:00 PM, the festivities will begin, and continue until 8:00. By that time the barbecue artists will be ready for you to sample their creations. Besides the samples, you will be given a ballot to vote for the best fare. A cook-off plate will cost you $2.00 and will be reserved for the first 200 guests. At 5:15, Tama County Cattlemen's Association and other vendors will be ready to serve. Four Happy Chaps, a local band will take the stage for an hour of rousing music. The Toledo Fire Department will host a kid's water fight north of the Square. Many other kid's activities will begin at this time, including a bounce castle, face painting and washable tattoos. At 5:30 Toledo Christian ATA will provide the guests with a Tae Kwon Do demonstration. At 6:00 the Sandhill Kid's Nickel Scramble will begin. At 6:15 The Chamber of Commerce will have a tribute. At 6:30, until festival close at 8:00, Mr. Babor's Neighbors, a popular band from Des Moines will take the stage. At 7:00 the Barbecue Cook-off winner will be announced. Commemorative tee-shirts sporting the professionally created festival logo will be available at the festival for $10.00. Organizers are billing the festival as a night of fun on the Square, for the entire family. Guests are encouraged to bring their lawn chairs or blankets and settle in for an enjoyable evening. Guests may bring their own food and refreshments, or buy from the various vendors who will be set-up around the Square. The Toledo Stoplight has been a fixture in Downtown Toledo since October of 1949. Similar to many city center stoplights of that era, the Toledo Stoplight has been the source of controversy over the years. There are those who would remove it in the name of progress, and those who wish to maintain the stoplight for posterity. The Stoplight has been upgraded over the years, and currently has high tech, multi-element LED indicators skillfully hidden in the vintage fixture. The pole, mechanism and lights sit high on a concrete pedestal which was recently re-poured and painted. Mark your calendars, pack your blanket. You are in for a wonderful night of entertainment in Toledo. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Toledo Stoplight Festival
I would like very much like that! Did I mention I am 2 miles from Meskwaki, a world class casino, hotel and convention center? Or that there are now 3 ziplines up and running here at Gilly Hollow? Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 9:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Toledo Stoplight Festival Sorry to miss it Mike. Maybe next year... Mike wrote: Just so you know that besides running a WISP, community involvement is very important. Mark your calendars! SPECIAL - Toledo, Iowa - July 2, 2010 The stage is set. The preparations are made. There is a festival coming to Toledo. Friday July 9, 2010, on the Tama County Courthouse lawn, in downtown Toledo, the Toledo Stoplight Festival will unfold in conjunction with the Toledo Farmers Market and the annual Tama Toledo Chamber of Commerce Barbecue Cook-off. When the Farmers Market whistle blows at 5:00 PM, the festivities will begin, and continue until 8:00. By that time the barbecue artists will be ready for you to sample their creations. Besides the samples, you will be given a ballot to vote for the best fare. A cook-off plate will cost you $2.00 and will be reserved for the first 200 guests. At 5:15, Tama County Cattlemen's Association and other vendors will be ready to serve. Four Happy Chaps, a local band will take the stage for an hour of rousing music. The Toledo Fire Department will host a kid's water fight north of the Square. Many other kid's activities will begin at this time, including a bounce castle, face painting and washable tattoos. At 5:30 Toledo Christian ATA will provide the guests with a Tae Kwon Do demonstration. At 6:00 the Sandhill Kid's Nickel Scramble will begin. At 6:15 The Chamber of Commerce will have a tribute. At 6:30, until festival close at 8:00, Mr. Babor's Neighbors, a popular band from Des Moines will take the stage. At 7:00 the Barbecue Cook-off winner will be announced. Commemorative tee-shirts sporting the professionally created festival logo will be available at the festival for $10.00. Organizers are billing the festival as a night of fun on the Square, for the entire family. Guests are encouraged to bring their lawn chairs or blankets and settle in for an enjoyable evening. Guests may bring their own food and refreshments, or buy from the various vendors who will be set-up around the Square. The Toledo Stoplight has been a fixture in Downtown Toledo since October of 1949. Similar to many city center stoplights of that era, the Toledo Stoplight has been the source of controversy over the years. There are those who would remove it in the name of progress, and those who wish to maintain the stoplight for posterity. The Stoplight has been upgraded over the years, and currently has high tech, multi-element LED indicators skillfully hidden in the vintage fixture. The pole, mechanism and lights sit high on a concrete pedestal which was recently re-poured and painted. Mark your calendars, pack your blanket. You are in for a wonderful night of entertainment in Toledo. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Toledo Stoplight Festival
I saw Jack maneuver a Jet Ski last summer rather adeptly. Add Ziplines to your Bucket List Jack! Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Toledo Stoplight Festival I would like very much like that! Did I mention I am 2 miles from Meskwaki, a world class casino, hotel and convention center? Or that there are now 3 ziplines up and running here at Gilly Hollow? Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 9:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Toledo Stoplight Festival Sorry to miss it Mike. Maybe next year... Mike wrote: Just so you know that besides running a WISP, community involvement is very important. Mark your calendars! SPECIAL - Toledo, Iowa - July 2, 2010 The stage is set. The preparations are made. There is a festival coming to Toledo. Friday July 9, 2010, on the Tama County Courthouse lawn, in downtown Toledo, the Toledo Stoplight Festival will unfold in conjunction with the Toledo Farmers Market and the annual Tama Toledo Chamber of Commerce Barbecue Cook-off. When the Farmers Market whistle blows at 5:00 PM, the festivities will begin, and continue until 8:00. By that time the barbecue artists will be ready for you to sample their creations. Besides the samples, you will be given a ballot to vote for the best fare. A cook-off plate will cost you $2.00 and will be reserved for the first 200 guests. At 5:15, Tama County Cattlemen's Association and other vendors will be ready to serve. Four Happy Chaps, a local band will take the stage for an hour of rousing music. The Toledo Fire Department will host a kid's water fight north of the Square. Many other kid's activities will begin at this time, including a bounce castle, face painting and washable tattoos. At 5:30 Toledo Christian ATA will provide the guests with a Tae Kwon Do demonstration. At 6:00 the Sandhill Kid's Nickel Scramble will begin. At 6:15 The Chamber of Commerce will have a tribute. At 6:30, until festival close at 8:00, Mr. Babor's Neighbors, a popular band from Des Moines will take the stage. At 7:00 the Barbecue Cook-off winner will be announced. Commemorative tee-shirts sporting the professionally created festival logo will be available at the festival for $10.00. Organizers are billing the festival as a night of fun on the Square, for the entire family. Guests are encouraged to bring their lawn chairs or blankets and settle in for an enjoyable evening. Guests may bring their own food and refreshments, or buy from the various vendors who will be set-up around the Square. The Toledo Stoplight has been a fixture in Downtown Toledo since October of 1949. Similar to many city center stoplights of that era, the Toledo Stoplight has been the source of controversy over the years. There are those who would remove it in the name of progress, and those who wish to maintain the stoplight for posterity. The Stoplight has been upgraded over the years, and currently has high tech, multi-element LED indicators skillfully hidden in the vintage fixture. The pole, mechanism and lights sit high on a concrete pedestal which was recently re-poured and painted. Mark your calendars, pack your blanket. You are in for a wonderful night of entertainment in Toledo. - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Toledo Stoplight Festival
I just saw The Bucket List about 3 weeks ago - GREAT MOVIE! Thanks for your suggestion. I just now started my own "bucket list" and "ride a zip line" is the first addition. THANKS! jack Rick Harnish wrote: I saw Jack maneuver a Jet Ski last summer rather adeptly. Add Ziplines to your "Bucket List" Jack! Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Toledo Stoplight Festival I would like very much like that! Did I mention I am 2 miles from Meskwaki, a world class casino, hotel and convention center? Or that there are now 3 ziplines up and running here at Gilly Hollow? Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 9:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Toledo Stoplight Festival Sorry to miss it Mike. Maybe next year... Mike wrote: Just so you know that besides running a WISP, community involvement is very important. Mark your calendars! SPECIAL - Toledo, Iowa - July 2, 2010 The stage is set. The preparations are made. There is a festival coming to Toledo. Friday July 9, 2010, on the Tama County Courthouse lawn, in downtown Toledo, the Toledo Stoplight Festival will unfold in conjunction with the Toledo Farmers Market and the annual Tama Toledo Chamber of Commerce Barbecue Cook-off. When the Farmers Market whistle blows at 5:00 PM, the festivities will begin, and continue until 8:00. By that time the barbecue artists will be ready for you to sample their creations. Besides the samples, you will be given a ballot to vote for the best fare. A cook-off plate will cost you $2.00 and will be reserved for the first 200 guests. At 5:15, Tama County Cattlemen's Association and other vendors will be ready to serve. Four Happy Chaps, a local band will take the stage for an hour of rousing music. The Toledo Fire Department will host a kid's water fight north of the Square. Many other kid's activities will begin at this time, including a bounce castle, face painting and washable tattoos. At 5:30 Toledo Christian ATA will provide the guests with a Tae Kwon Do demonstration. At 6:00 the Sandhill Kid's Nickel Scramble will begin. At 6:15 The Chamber of Commerce will have a tribute. At 6:30, until festival close at 8:00, Mr. Babor's Neighbors, a popular band from Des Moines will take the stage. At 7:00 the Barbecue Cook-off winner will be announced. Commemorative tee-shirts sporting the professionally created festival logo will be available at the festival for $10.00. Organizers are billing the festival as a night of fun on the Square, for the entire family. Guests are encouraged to bring their lawn chairs or blankets and settle in for an enjoyable evening. Guests may bring their own food and refreshments, or buy from the various vendors who will be set-up around the Square. The Toledo Stoplight has been a fixture in Downtown Toledo since October of 1949. Similar to many city center stoplights of that era, the Toledo Stoplight has been the source of controversy over the years. There are those who would remove it in the name of progress, and those who wish to maintain the stoplight for posterity. The Stoplight has been upgraded over the years, and currently has high tech, multi-element LED indicators skillfully hidden in the vintage fixture. The pole, mechanism and lights sit high on a concrete pedestal which was recently re-poured and painted. Mark your calendars, pack your blanket. You are in for a wonderful night of entertainment in Toledo. - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Toledo Stoplight Festival
I'd buy a ticket to watch that! My sister from Des Moines, 3 years my junior, and many pounds my superior rode the ziplines at our family gathering Friday. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 9:47 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Toledo Stoplight Festival I saw Jack maneuver a Jet Ski last summer rather adeptly. Add Ziplines to your Bucket List Jack! Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Toledo Stoplight Festival I would like very much like that! Did I mention I am 2 miles from Meskwaki, a world class casino, hotel and convention center? Or that there are now 3 ziplines up and running here at Gilly Hollow? Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 9:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Toledo Stoplight Festival Sorry to miss it Mike. Maybe next year... Mike wrote: Just so you know that besides running a WISP, community involvement is very important. Mark your calendars! SPECIAL - Toledo, Iowa - July 2, 2010 The stage is set. The preparations are made. There is a festival coming to Toledo. Friday July 9, 2010, on the Tama County Courthouse lawn, in downtown Toledo, the Toledo Stoplight Festival will unfold in conjunction with the Toledo Farmers Market and the annual Tama Toledo Chamber of Commerce Barbecue Cook-off. When the Farmers Market whistle blows at 5:00 PM, the festivities will begin, and continue until 8:00. By that time the barbecue artists will be ready for you to sample their creations. Besides the samples, you will be given a ballot to vote for the best fare. A cook-off plate will cost you $2.00 and will be reserved for the first 200 guests. At 5:15, Tama County Cattlemen's Association and other vendors will be ready to serve. Four Happy Chaps, a local band will take the stage for an hour of rousing music. The Toledo Fire Department will host a kid's water fight north of the Square. Many other kid's activities will begin at this time, including a bounce castle, face painting and washable tattoos. At 5:30 Toledo Christian ATA will provide the guests with a Tae Kwon Do demonstration. At 6:00 the Sandhill Kid's Nickel Scramble will begin. At 6:15 The Chamber of Commerce will have a tribute. At 6:30, until festival close at 8:00, Mr. Babor's Neighbors, a popular band from Des Moines will take the stage. At 7:00 the Barbecue Cook-off winner will be announced. Commemorative tee-shirts sporting the professionally created festival logo will be available at the festival for $10.00. Organizers are billing the festival as a night of fun on the Square, for the entire family. Guests are encouraged to bring their lawn chairs or blankets and settle in for an enjoyable evening. Guests may bring their own food and refreshments, or buy from the various vendors who will be set-up around the Square. The Toledo Stoplight has been a fixture in Downtown Toledo since October of 1949. Similar to many city center stoplights of that era, the Toledo Stoplight has been the source of controversy over the years. There are those who would remove it in the name of progress, and those who wish to maintain the stoplight for posterity. The Stoplight has been upgraded over the years, and currently has high tech, multi-element LED indicators skillfully hidden in the vintage fixture. The pole, mechanism and lights sit high on a concrete pedestal which was recently re-poured and painted. Mark your calendars, pack your blanket. You are in for a wonderful night of entertainment in Toledo. - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com -- - - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- - -
[WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million?
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Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million?
Nice. And for such a great cause, too. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million? http://broadbandbreakfast.com/?p=9684 -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million?
Was just informed by our Senator's Aid that this has not been decided yet. If it is approved half of the funds would come out of the NTIA and the other RUS. This would still leave the RUS fund @ $1.5B. And yes Robert, I hate to see tax dollars spent on a war. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:46 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million? Nice. And for such a great cause, too. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million? http://broadbandbreakfast.com/?p=9684 -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2977 - Release Date: 07/02/10 01:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] yet another WiMAX vs LTE article
Actually we have found Ruckus to do very well with multipath! i.e. boat docks, moving water, moving boats, moving rolled tin structure, generating killer multipath, kills EVERY OTHER ROUTER/AP EXCEPT RUCKUS. try it , you'll like it. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-Access, Inc. www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com Providing Broadband Internet Access to California's Rural Central Valley -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] yet another WiMAX vs LTE article Since their beam forming is dynamic, I would expect it to work very well in that environment. As Ruckus beamforming is based on selecting a receiver instead of combining the signals, it should indeed deal with ducting but not too well with multi-path. No Beam forming is expected from Ubiquity... just MIMO... If Quantenna, Celeno or the other chip makers come up with a cost-effective 802.11n beamforming solution, and they claim they will, may be UBNT rethinks this issue. Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] yet another WiMAX vs LTE article
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com wrote: Actually we have found Ruckus to do very well with multipath! i.e. boat docks, moving water, moving boats, moving rolled tin structure, generating killer multipath, kills EVERY OTHER ROUTER/AP EXCEPT RUCKUS. try it , you'll like it. Chuck, were these other radios 802.11n? I ask because pre 802.11n, multipath hurt the performance, as 802.11a/b/g were switched diversity (i.e. take the *best* signal and ignore the other ones). Now that the 802.11n standard has MRC, all of those signals are combined automagically (in theory, of course). So, yes...Ruckus has the reputation of making some kickass antennas to deal with multiplath, but I'm wondering if they can still maintain that edge now that the standard is solidified by IEEE. Put differently, how smart are their antennas now that the standard does a lot of what they were bragging about before? Is their secret sauce now simply a commodity? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million?
Of course that wouldn't be particular fair given that NTIA got 2/3rds of the funding in the first place. I'd hope they'd have to cough up 2/3rds of the give back. Chuck On Jul 2, 2010, at 12:04 PM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Was just informed by our Senator's Aid that this has not been decided yet. If it is approved half of the funds would come out of the NTIA and the other RUS. This would still leave the RUS fund @ $1.5B. And yes Robert, I hate to see tax dollars spent on a war. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:46 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million? Nice. And for such a great cause, too. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million? http://broadbandbreakfast.com/?p=9684 -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2977 - Release Date: 07/02/10 01:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million?
Just expressed that sentiment with our Senator, suggest you do the same ;-) ~V~ -Original Message- From: Chuck Bartosch [mailto:ch...@clarityconnect.com] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 12:02 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million? Of course that wouldn't be particular fair given that NTIA got 2/3rds of the funding in the first place. I'd hope they'd have to cough up 2/3rds of the give back. Chuck On Jul 2, 2010, at 12:04 PM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Was just informed by our Senator's Aid that this has not been decided yet. If it is approved half of the funds would come out of the NTIA and the other RUS. This would still leave the RUS fund @ $1.5B. And yes Robert, I hate to see tax dollars spent on a war. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:46 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million? Nice. And for such a great cause, too. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million? http://broadbandbreakfast.com/?p=9684 -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2977 - Release Date: 07/02/10 01:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2977 - Release Date: 07/02/10 01:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million?
I've contacted the two congressman in our area already. Haven't reached out yet to the Senators. Chuck On Jul 2, 2010, at 1:12 PM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Just expressed that sentiment with our Senator, suggest you do the same ;-) ~V~ -Original Message- From: Chuck Bartosch [mailto:ch...@clarityconnect.com] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 12:02 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million? Of course that wouldn't be particular fair given that NTIA got 2/3rds of the funding in the first place. I'd hope they'd have to cough up 2/3rds of the give back. Chuck On Jul 2, 2010, at 12:04 PM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Was just informed by our Senator's Aid that this has not been decided yet. If it is approved half of the funds would come out of the NTIA and the other RUS. This would still leave the RUS fund @ $1.5B. And yes Robert, I hate to see tax dollars spent on a war. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:46 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million? Nice. And for such a great cause, too. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million? http://broadbandbreakfast.com/?p=9684 -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2977 - Release Date: 07/02/10 01:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2977 - Release Date: 07/02/10 01:35:00 -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Happy Birthday to US!
Everyone please have a safe sane 4th! - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - They Signed For Us Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments Happy Anniversary To Us Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal Liberty Digest™. How time flies when you’re having fun! As many of you know, I also write two other, shorter features for Personal Liberty Digest™ every week—Chip Shots, which appears at the bottom of Friday’s columns, and This Week in History, which appears at the bottom of Wednesday’s. As it happens, my very first piece for Personal Liberty Digest™ was about the incredible men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to secure liberty for us. So it seems only appropriate to repeat that message again today, as we prepare to celebrate our 234th Independence Day. Happy July 4! Every schoolchild in America knows why we celebrate the Fourth of July. Flags and fireworks commemorate the day we declared our independence from Britain. On July 4, 1776, after months of heated debate, representatives of the Continental Congress voted unanimously that, “These United Colonies are and of right ought to be Free and Independent States.” Thirteen colonies voted to become something new in history—the United States of America. Now, all they had to do was win their independence from a government that would consider them traitors. Fifty-six men bravely affixed their signatures to the Declaration of Independence. What sort of men were they? And what became of them? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists, 11 were merchants and nine were farmers or plantation owners. They were well-educated men of means. All of them had a great deal to lose when they voted to defy what was then the most powerful nation on earth. Yet they willingly risked everything when they pledged to each other “our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.” As I said, all of us can explain why we celebrate Independence Day on July 4th. But how many of us can name even a handful of the signers of the Declaration of Independence? How much do we know, really, about the men who risked their lives and everything they owned in the cause of freedom? Because the story of the signers is so inspiring, we’ve arranged a special treat for you today—a free copy of a wonderful little book called They Signed For Us. Half a century ago two patriotic ladies in the Midwest wanted to help others learn more about the remarkable men who signed the Declaration. Merle Sinclair and Annabel Douglas McArthur wrote a delightful book about the events of that time, including a history of each of the signers. They called it, They Signed For Us. At the end of today’s column, you’ll find a link that will take you to a free copy of the book. You may read it online or download it and print your own copy. The file also includes a list of all of the signers and the states they represented, plus the complete text of the Declaration of Independence. To whet your appetite a bit, here’s an excerpt from They Signed For Us. “SUDDENLY THE BIG BELL in the State House steeple pealed joyously. The appointed signal! Cheers rose from the waiting crowds. “‘Proclaim liberty throughout the land….’ “Cannon boomed, drums rolled. Church bells rang, sounding the death knell of British domination! “News of the adoption of the Declaration of Independence spread like wildfire. Ready messengers leaped into their saddles to ride and spread the word. The Declaration had been ordered printed on a single large sheet, ‘45.5 x 37.5 cm.,’ or approximately 18 inches by 15 inches. These broadsides were distributed with all possible speed, to be read in the provincial assemblies, pulpits, market places, and army camps.” The story continues: “On July 8, the Liberty Bell summoned citizens of Philadelphia to the State House yard for a public reading of the document. Colonel John Nixon mounted a high platform and spoke the noble lines in a strong, clear voice. The crowd, now hushed, listened intently throughout. “ ‘…for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.’” It was almost a month later that the Declaration was engrossed on parchment and ready for signing by the delegates to the Continental Congress. Members gathered on Aug. 2 for the ceremony. The only person who had signed the Declaration on July 4 was John Hancock, a delegate from Boston who had been elected president of the Continental Congress. He wrote his signature in large, bold letters and as he did, in a reference to the near-sightedness of the British king, he declared, “There! John Bull can read my name without spectacles and may now double his reward of £500 for my head. That is my defiance.” As the delegates gathered around a desk to sign the Declaration, William Emery,
Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US!
Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the military pisses me off. MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to stand up and say Enough! with total disregard to their personal safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to lay down their life in the military, that I will say Thank You to on the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand NO MORE, are we to possess less of an opportunity? No. Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. Thank you to US. ALL OF US! WE ROCK! Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. Bob- ---Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Everyone please have a safe sane 4th! - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - They Signed For Us Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments Happy Anniversary To Us Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal Liberty Digest. How time flies when youre having fun! As many of you know, I also write two other, shorter features for Personal Liberty Digest every weekChip Shots, which appears at the bottom of Fridays columns, and This Week in History, which appears at the bottom of Wednesdays. As it happens, my very first piece for Personal Liberty Digest was about the incredible men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to secure liberty for us. So it seems only appropriate to repeat that message again today, as we prepare to celebrate our 234th Independence Day. Happy July 4! Every schoolchild in America knows why we celebrate the Fourth of July. Flags and fireworks commemorate the day we declared our independence from Britain. On July 4, 1776, after months of heated debate, representatives of the Continental Congress voted unanimously that, These United Colonies are and of right ought to be Free and Independent States. Thirteen colonies voted to become something new in historythe United States of America. Now, all they had to do was win their independence from a government that would consider them traitors. Fifty-six men bravely affixed their signatures to the Declaration of Independence. What sort of men were they? And what became of them? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists, 11 were merchants and nine were farmers or plantation owners. They were well-educated men of means. All of them had a great deal to lose when they voted to defy what was then the most powerful nation on earth. Yet they willingly risked everything when they pledged to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor. As I said, all of us can explain why we celebrate Independence Day on July 4th. But how many of us can name even a handful of the signers of the Declaration of Independence? How much do we know, really, about the men who risked their lives and everything they owned in the cause of freedom? Because the story of the signers is so inspiring, weve arranged a special treat for you todaya free copy of a wonderful little book called They Signed For Us. Half a century ago two patriotic ladies in the Midwest wanted to help others learn more about the remarkable men who signed the Declaration. Merle Sinclair and Annabel Douglas McArthur wrote a delightful book about the events of that time, including a history of each of the signers. They called it, They Signed For Us. At the end of todays column, youll find a link that will take you to a free copy of the book. You may read it online or download it and print your own copy. The file also includes a list of all of the signers and the states they represented, plus the complete text of the Declaration of Independence. To whet your appetite a bit, heres an excerpt from They Signed For Us. SUDDENLY THE BIG BELL in the State House steeple pealed joyously. The appointed signal! Cheers rose from the waiting crowds. Proclaim liberty throughout the land . Cannon boomed, drums rolled. Church bells rang, sounding the death knell of British domination! News of the adoption of
[WISPA] Monitoring Software
Moving the NOC across town.. Yeah, sucks but doing it and it looks to be a positive thing in the long run. Will be installing a nice air-conditioned, dark and ZEN NOC. (Sandalwood Incense optional) Big 56 LCD monitors, Mikrotik and UBNT hardware, DUDE servers.. (Air control blows at the moment, sorry Ben.)What monitoring software are you losers... Uh... Ahem...WISPS using? J Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US!
Besides, I'm a vegetarian. What the heck am I gonna grill? Eggplant?!!!??? Kiss my a**. (No Surprise) Viva la USA! HA! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the military pisses me off. MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to stand up and say Enough! with total disregard to their personal safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to lay down their life in the military, that I will say Thank You to on the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand NO MORE, are we to possess less of an opportunity? No. Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. Thank you to US. ALL OF US! WE ROCK! Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. Bob- ---Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Everyone please have a safe sane 4th! - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - They Signed For Us Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments Happy Anniversary To Us Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal Liberty Digest. How time flies when youre having fun! As many of you know, I also write two other, shorter features for Personal Liberty Digest every weekChip Shots, which appears at the bottom of Fridays columns, and This Week in History, which appears at the bottom of Wednesdays. As it happens, my very first piece for Personal Liberty Digest was about the incredible men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to secure liberty for us. So it seems only appropriate to repeat that message again today, as we prepare to celebrate our 234th Independence Day. Happy July 4! Every schoolchild in America knows why we celebrate the Fourth of July. Flags and fireworks commemorate the day we declared our independence from Britain. On July 4, 1776, after months of heated debate, representatives of the Continental Congress voted unanimously that, These United Colonies are and of right ought to be Free and Independent States. Thirteen colonies voted to become something new in historythe United States of America. Now, all they had to do was win their independence from a government that would consider them traitors. Fifty-six men bravely affixed their signatures to the Declaration of Independence. What sort of men were they? And what became of them? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists, 11 were merchants and nine were farmers or plantation owners. They were well-educated men of means. All of them had a great deal to lose when they voted to defy what was then the most powerful nation on earth. Yet they willingly risked everything when they pledged to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor. As I said, all of us can explain why we celebrate Independence Day on July 4th. But how many of us can name even a handful of the signers of the Declaration of Independence? How much do we know, really, about the men who risked their lives and everything they owned in the cause of freedom? Because the story of the signers is so inspiring, weve arranged a special treat for you todaya free copy of a wonderful little book called They Signed For Us. Half a century ago two patriotic ladies in the Midwest wanted to help others learn more about the remarkable men who signed the Declaration. Merle Sinclair and Annabel Douglas McArthur wrote a delightful book about the events of that time, including a history of each of the signers. They called it, They Signed For Us. At the end of todays column, youll find a link that will take you to a free copy of the book. You may read it online or download it and print your own copy. The file also includes a list of all of the signers and the states they represented, plus the complete text of the Declaration of Independence. To whet
Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US!
Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the ultimate sacrifice. Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the military pisses me off. MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to stand up and say Enough! with total disregard to their personal safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to lay down their life in the military, that I will say Thank You to on the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand NO MORE, are we to possess less of an opportunity? No. Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. Thank you to US. ALL OF US! WE ROCK! Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. Bob- ---Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Everyone please have a safe sane 4th! - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - They Signed For Us Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments Happy Anniversary To Us Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal Liberty Digest™. How time flies when you’re having fun! As many of you know, I also write two other, shorter features for Personal Liberty Digest™ every week—Chip Shots, which appears at the bottom of Friday’s columns, and This Week in History, which appears at the bottom of Wednesday’s. As it happens, my very first piece for Personal Liberty Digest™ was about the incredible men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to secure liberty for us. So it seems only appropriate to repeat that message again today, as we prepare to celebrate our 234th Independence Day. Happy July 4! Every schoolchild in America knows why we celebrate the Fourth of July. Flags and fireworks commemorate the day we declared our independence from Britain. On July 4, 1776, after months of heated debate, representatives of the Continental Congress voted unanimously that, “These United Colonies are and of right ought to be Free and Independent States.” Thirteen colonies voted to become something new in history—the United States of America. Now, all they had to do was win their independence from a government that would consider them traitors. Fifty-six men bravely affixed their signatures to the Declaration of Independence. What sort of men were they? And what became of them? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists, 11 were merchants and nine were farmers or plantation owners. They were well-educated men of means. All of them had a great deal to lose when they voted to defy what was then the most powerful nation on earth. Yet they willingly risked everything when they pledged to each other “our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.” As I said, all of us can explain why we celebrate Independence Day on July 4th. But how many of us can name even a handful of the signers of the Declaration of Independence? How much do we know, really, about the men who risked their lives and everything they owned in the cause of freedom? Because the story of the signers is so inspiring, we’ve arranged a special treat for you today—a free copy of a wonderful little book called They Signed For Us. Half a century ago two patriotic ladies in the Midwest wanted to help others learn more about the remarkable men who signed the Declaration. Merle Sinclair and Annabel Douglas McArthur wrote a delightful book about the events of that
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We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own importance. Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. Bob- . -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the ultimate sacrifice. Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the military pisses me off. MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to stand up and say Enough! with total disregard to their personal safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to lay down their life in the military, that I will say Thank You to on the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand NO MORE, are we to possess less of an opportunity? No. Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. Thank you to US. ALL OF US! WE ROCK! Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. Bob- ---Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Everyone please have a safe sane 4th! - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - They Signed For Us Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments Happy Anniversary To Us Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal Liberty Digest. How time flies when youre having fun! As many of you know, I also write two other, shorter features for Personal Liberty Digest every weekChip Shots, which appears at the bottom of Fridays columns, and This Week in History, which appears at the bottom of Wednesdays. As it happens, my very first piece for Personal Liberty Digest was about the incredible men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to secure liberty for us. So it seems only appropriate to repeat that message again today, as we prepare to celebrate our 234th Independence Day. Happy July 4! Every schoolchild in America knows why we celebrate the Fourth of July. Flags and fireworks commemorate the day we declared our independence from Britain. On July 4, 1776, after months of heated debate, representatives of the Continental Congress voted unanimously that, These United Colonies are and of right ought to be Free and Independent States. Thirteen colonies voted to become something new in historythe United States of America. Now, all they had to do was win their independence from a government that would consider them traitors. Fifty-six men bravely affixed their signatures to the Declaration of Independence. What sort of men were they? And what became of them? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists, 11 were merchants and nine were farmers or plantation owners. They were well-educated men of means. All of them had a great deal to lose when they voted to defy what was then the most powerful nation on earth. Yet they willingly
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Bob - out of interest... Do you have any law enforcement, EMS, Fire or Military experience in your background? While working 9/11 - I lost many friends. While I survived with only cancer (and a bunch of weight gain) much of our platoon of EMS and Fire fighters got much worse. My children have had Tumors (the ones born after 9/11 and after my service there... ) Last I checked the parade in town had both the VFW, PBA, Fire Dept, Churches, Bikes with kids riding them, and yes - EVEN just as you call it EQUAL AMERICANS on the streets walking. Please don't take this as if I am attacking you - but I am wondering if you have paid any sacrifice towards the freedoms you hold so dear... Not saying that you have not - not done anything either... It was however through Blood, Sacrifice, Tears, Death, and yes ... EVEN WAR that our freedoms were given to us. It is through Blood, Sweat, Sacrifice, Tears, Death - and yes EVEN WAR that they have been maintained and guaranteed... Blessings, On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Robert West wrote: We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own importance. Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. Bob- . -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the ultimate sacrifice. Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the military pisses me off. MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to stand up and say Enough! with total disregard to their personal safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to lay down their life in the military, that I will say Thank You to on the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand NO MORE, are we to possess less of an opportunity? No. Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. Thank you to US. ALL OF US! WE ROCK! Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. Bob- ---Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Everyone please have a safe sane 4th! - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - They Signed For Us Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments Happy Anniversary To Us Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal Liberty Digest™. How time flies when you’re having fun! As many of you know, I also write two other, shorter features for Personal Liberty Digest™ every week—Chip Shots, which appears at the bottom of Friday’s columns, and This Week in History, which appears at the bottom of Wednesday’s. As it happens, my very first piece for Personal Liberty Digest™ was about the incredible men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to secure
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The ultimate sacrifice. The freedom riders, the miners and families at Matawan West Virginia, the protesters at Kent State. These people ALSO made the ultimate sacrifice, they died for what they felt was right. These are the ones I also feel should be remembered and thanked and if you get down to it, they took it upon themselves to fight for our freedoms, to fight for us. In reality, these are the people who are the epitome of Americanism more than the military for these stood up in defense of the moment with not thought to safety but in pure defense of an ideal. No one ordered them to do a thing, they just did what needed to be done and died for US. No one should get priority. This is to be for all of us, at least for me. We all are supposed to fight for all of us. Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the ultimate sacrifice. Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the military pisses me off. MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to stand up and say Enough! with total disregard to their personal safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to lay down their life in the military, that I will say Thank You to on the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand NO MORE, are we to possess less of an opportunity? No. Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. Thank you to US. ALL OF US! WE ROCK! Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. Bob- ---Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Everyone please have a safe sane 4th! - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - They Signed For Us Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments Happy Anniversary To Us Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal Liberty Digest. How time flies when youre having fun! As many of you know, I also write two other, shorter features for Personal Liberty Digest every weekChip Shots, which appears at the bottom of Fridays columns, and This Week in History, which appears at the bottom of Wednesdays. As it happens, my very first piece for Personal Liberty Digest was about the incredible men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to secure liberty for us. So it seems only appropriate to repeat that message again today, as we prepare to celebrate our 234th Independence Day. Happy July 4! Every schoolchild in America knows why we celebrate the Fourth of July. Flags and fireworks commemorate the day we declared our independence from Britain. On July 4, 1776, after months of heated debate, representatives of the Continental Congress voted unanimously that, These United Colonies are and of right ought to be Free and Independent States. Thirteen colonies voted to become something new in historythe United States of America. Now, all they had to do was win their independence from a government that would consider them traitors. Fifty-six men bravely affixed their signatures to the Declaration of Independence. What sort of men were they? And what became of them? Twenty-four were lawyers and
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Doesn't matter. Score keeping isnt necessary. The fourth is to be for the country as a whole. To celebrate our independence,. In this we are to be equal. Is one American better than another American? I think not. Celebration of independence in which we are all to play a part. Too much Glenn Beck where separation and categorization of Americans happens. We are one. One country and one people no matter the sacrifices and no matter the political views. We are Americans and for that we should celebrate. That's my point. We are all a part of it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob - out of interest... Do you have any law enforcement, EMS, Fire or Military experience in your background? While working 9/11 - I lost many friends. While I survived with only cancer (and a bunch of weight gain) much of our platoon of EMS and Fire fighters got much worse. My children have had Tumors (the ones born after 9/11 and after my service there... ) Last I checked the parade in town had both the VFW, PBA, Fire Dept, Churches, Bikes with kids riding them, and yes - EVEN just as you call it EQUAL AMERICANS on the streets walking. Please don't take this as if I am attacking you - but I am wondering if you have paid any sacrifice towards the freedoms you hold so dear... Not saying that you have not - not done anything either... It was however through Blood, Sacrifice, Tears, Death, and yes ... EVEN WAR that our freedoms were given to us. It is through Blood, Sweat, Sacrifice, Tears, Death - and yes EVEN WAR that they have been maintained and guaranteed... Blessings, On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Robert West wrote: We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own importance. Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. Bob- . -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the ultimate sacrifice. Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the military pisses me off. MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to stand up and say Enough! with total disregard to their personal safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to lay down their life in the military, that I will say Thank You to on the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand NO MORE, are we to possess less of an opportunity? No. Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. Thank you to US. ALL OF US! WE ROCK! Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. Bob- ---Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Everyone please have a safe sane
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Bob, I hope my previous post didnt come off negatively as it was not meant to be that way. I'm just hoping your thoughts about the military are more positive no matter how much you hear about them tomororow or any other day. While its a wonderful thought to give all priority, isnt that like saying we should all get prioirity parking when the handicap places take up the first row? I'm not sure that works. Furhtermore, there are plenty of people in the country who dont deserve it. At any rate, my main point is that I dont think the fourth was hijacked by the military but rather WE (US) chose to honor them on on Independence Day because if it werent for THEM it wouldnt exist and the right to celebrate it wouldnt exist either. So, they earned everything coming to them on a silver platter. As for me and many others, we have done nothing and do nothing to deserve the honor. BTW: We should only worship GOD as the good book says. off the soapbox God bless the USA and everyone in it! On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own importance. Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. Bob- . -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the ultimate sacrifice. Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the military pisses me off. MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to stand up and say Enough! with total disregard to their personal safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to lay down their life in the military, that I will say Thank You to on the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand NO MORE, are we to possess less of an opportunity? No. Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. Thank you to US. ALL OF US! WE ROCK! Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. Bob- ---Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Everyone please have a safe sane 4th! - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - They Signed For Us Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments Happy Anniversary To Us Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal Liberty Digest™. How time flies when you’re having fun! As many of you know, I also write two other, shorter features for Personal Liberty Digest™ every week—Chip Shots, which appears at the bottom of Friday’s columns, and This Week in History, which appears at the bottom of Wednesday’s. As it happens, my very first piece for Personal Liberty Digest™ was about the incredible men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to secure liberty for us. So it seems only appropriate to repeat
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Just so I didnt leave them out, in addition to the military, God bless our law enforcement, fire fighters, EMS, and those that dedicate their lives so others may live. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Bob - out of interest... Do you have any law enforcement, EMS, Fire or Military experience in your background? While working 9/11 - I lost many friends. While I survived with only cancer (and a bunch of weight gain) much of our platoon of EMS and Fire fighters got much worse. My children have had Tumors (the ones born after 9/11 and after my service there... ) Last I checked the parade in town had both the VFW, PBA, Fire Dept, Churches, Bikes with kids riding them, and yes - EVEN just as you call it EQUAL AMERICANS on the streets walking. Please don't take this as if I am attacking you - but I am wondering if you have paid any sacrifice towards the freedoms you hold so dear... Not saying that you have not - not done anything either... It was however through Blood, Sacrifice, Tears, Death, and yes ... EVEN WAR that our freedoms were given to us. It is through Blood, Sweat, Sacrifice, Tears, Death - and yes EVEN WAR that they have been maintained and guaranteed... Blessings, On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Robert West wrote: We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own importance. Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. Bob- . -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the ultimate sacrifice. Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the military pisses me off. MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to stand up and say Enough! with total disregard to their personal safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to lay down their life in the military, that I will say Thank You to on the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand NO MORE, are we to possess less of an opportunity? No. Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. Thank you to US. ALL OF US! WE ROCK! Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. Bob- ---Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Everyone please have a safe sane 4th! - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - They Signed For Us Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments Happy Anniversary To Us Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal Liberty Digest™. How time flies when you’re having fun! As many of you know, I also write two other, shorter features for Personal Liberty Digest™ every week—Chip Shots, which appears at the bottom of Friday’s columns, and This Week in History, which
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In regards to most of these folks - have you been to their town parades? In PA - you cannot go to a coal mining town and not see a tribute to the miners. We could say the same for the many who died building the large buildings in our cities. Can you name others who are fighting - and putting it all on the line right now? I can - Sheriff Depts across the nation, Fire and EMS across the nation Probation Officers, Highway Workers (yup they die quite a bit) and yes our military. Fayette County Hospital has representation in the parade, so do the churches, as does even McDonalds - Community Action, and even Farmers - just check how much farm equipment goes in the parade... so ... again - where do you find that there is less representation? The ideal you speak of is the simple fact that while many in this nation think its okay to burn the flag we have those who will stand up and take a bullet defending the freedom to burn the flag. In regards to the miners - they were doing it for a paycheck. PERIOD. I am willing to bet if you would like you can pay homage to those folks - and I think many here in Fayette County would join you. I fail to see where they are getting priority. In regards to Kent State - how many folks were injured in trying to protect Property and Lives? Slashing a hose line on a firefighter in my opinion is nothing short of Attempted Murder. Don't believe me - let me put you in a burning building without a water line - Any other firefighters on the list care to comment? In 1999 Kent University constructed an individual memorial for each of the students in the parking lot between Taylor and Prentice halls. Each of the four memorials is located on the exact spot where the student fell, mortally wounded. Crosby Stills Nash went to Kent State campus for the first time on May 4, 1997, where they performed the song for the May 4 Task Force's 27th annual commemoration. Something tells me that if your requesting that the military not be given any homage on the 4th - than I am right in stating since May 4th every year pays homage to the 4 who died @ Kent state... its okay for us to ignore them on the 4th as well... July 4th is about the Birth of a Nation - It is not about the Memory of those who Died in keeping its freedom.Thats a different Holiday called... Memorial Day. If that is your argument I can agree - but the rest - seems like scatter On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:31 PM, Robert West wrote: The ultimate sacrifice. The freedom riders, the miners and families at Matawan West Virginia, the protesters at Kent State. These people ALSO made the ultimate sacrifice, they died for what they felt was right. These are the ones I also feel should be remembered and thanked and if you get down to it, they took it upon themselves to fight for our freedoms, to fight for us. In reality, these are the people who are the epitome of Americanism more than the military for these stood up in defense of the moment with not thought to safety but in pure defense of an ideal. No one ordered them to do a thing, they just did what needed to be done and died for US. No one should get priority. This is to be for all of us, at least for me. We all are supposed to fight for all of us. Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the ultimate sacrifice. Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the military pisses me off. MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As well as many, many,
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There is a difference: THEY died for what THEY thought was right. Our military give their lives for US to have the freedom to do so. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: The ultimate sacrifice. The freedom riders, the miners and families at Matawan West Virginia, the protesters at Kent State. These people ALSO made the ultimate sacrifice, they died for what they felt was right. These are the ones I also feel should be remembered and thanked and if you get down to it, they took it upon themselves to fight for our freedoms, to fight for us. In reality, these are the people who are the epitome of Americanism more than the military for these stood up in defense of the moment with not thought to safety but in pure defense of an ideal. No one ordered them to do a thing, they just did what needed to be done and died for US. No one should get priority. This is to be for all of us, at least for me. We all are supposed to fight for all of us. Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the ultimate sacrifice. Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the military pisses me off. MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to stand up and say Enough! with total disregard to their personal safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to lay down their life in the military, that I will say Thank You to on the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand NO MORE, are we to possess less of an opportunity? No. Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. Thank you to US. ALL OF US! WE ROCK! Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. Bob- ---Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Everyone please have a safe sane 4th! - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - They Signed For Us Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments Happy Anniversary To Us Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal Liberty Digest™. How time flies when you’re having fun! As many of you know, I also write two other, shorter features for Personal Liberty Digest™ every week—Chip Shots, which appears at the bottom of Friday’s columns, and This Week in History, which appears at the bottom of Wednesday’s. As it happens, my very first piece for Personal Liberty Digest™ was about the incredible men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to secure liberty for us. So it seems only appropriate to repeat that message again today, as we prepare to celebrate our 234th Independence Day. Happy July 4! Every schoolchild in America knows why we celebrate the Fourth of July. Flags and fireworks commemorate the day we declared our independence from Britain. On July 4, 1776, after months of heated debate, representatives of the Continental Congress voted unanimously that, “These United Colonies are and of right ought to be Free and Independent States.” Thirteen colonies voted to become something new in history—the United States of America. Now, all they had to do was win their independence from a
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Ah, but it's not just the military that protects us. The military protects us on the foreign front but what about the domestic? Think about that. Who protects your freedoms here? Not the military. I have 100% respect for the military, many of family members were in the military. But again, who protects you HERE? We all do, as a collective. You see, there are 2 parts to this. Foreign and domestic. In my part of the country, it's all military with no mention of regular Americans who stand up and take it. Hijacked, as in only one side being represented. If we have no defense of the Constitution and our freedoms domestically, then what?Who is here to protect you? That's what I'm saying. There is more to our freedoms than the military. We are the protection. All of us. Together. How can anyone argue with that? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I hope my previous post didnt come off negatively as it was not meant to be that way. I'm just hoping your thoughts about the military are more positive no matter how much you hear about them tomororow or any other day. While its a wonderful thought to give all priority, isnt that like saying we should all get prioirity parking when the handicap places take up the first row? I'm not sure that works. Furhtermore, there are plenty of people in the country who dont deserve it. At any rate, my main point is that I dont think the fourth was hijacked by the military but rather WE (US) chose to honor them on on Independence Day because if it werent for THEM it wouldnt exist and the right to celebrate it wouldnt exist either. So, they earned everything coming to them on a silver platter. As for me and many others, we have done nothing and do nothing to deserve the honor. BTW: We should only worship GOD as the good book says. off the soapbox God bless the USA and everyone in it! On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own importance. Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. Bob- . -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the ultimate sacrifice. Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the military pisses me off. MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to stand up and say Enough! with total disregard to their personal safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to lay down their life in the military, that I will say Thank You to on the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand NO MORE, are we to possess less of an opportunity? No. Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. Thank you to US. ALL OF US! WE ROCK! Now go grill some steaks and get drunk.
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Cacti, Smokeping and Nagios On 7/2/2010 9:17 PM, Robert West wrote: Moving the NOC across town.. Yeah, sucks but doing it and it looks to be a positive thing in the long run. Will be installing a nice air-conditioned, dark and ZEN NOC. (Sandalwood Incense optional) Big 56 LCD monitors, Mikrotik and UBNT hardware, DUDE servers.. (Air control blows at the moment, sorry Ben.)What monitoring software are you losers... Uh... Ahem...WISPS using? J Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chris Gotstein Sr Network Engineer UP Logon/Computer Connection UP 500 N Stephenson Ave Iron Mountain, MI 49801 Phone: 906-774-4847 Fax: 906-774-0335 ch...@uplogon.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Saying All of us does not leave anyone out. All is all. US. There is no need to separate any of US into labels. I guess I'm too much of a philosopher. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Just so I didnt leave them out, in addition to the military, God bless our law enforcement, fire fighters, EMS, and those that dedicate their lives so others may live. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Bob - out of interest... Do you have any law enforcement, EMS, Fire or Military experience in your background? While working 9/11 - I lost many friends. While I survived with only cancer (and a bunch of weight gain) much of our platoon of EMS and Fire fighters got much worse. My children have had Tumors (the ones born after 9/11 and after my service there... ) Last I checked the parade in town had both the VFW, PBA, Fire Dept, Churches, Bikes with kids riding them, and yes - EVEN just as you call it EQUAL AMERICANS on the streets walking. Please don't take this as if I am attacking you - but I am wondering if you have paid any sacrifice towards the freedoms you hold so dear... Not saying that you have not - not done anything either... It was however through Blood, Sacrifice, Tears, Death, and yes ... EVEN WAR that our freedoms were given to us. It is through Blood, Sweat, Sacrifice, Tears, Death - and yes EVEN WAR that they have been maintained and guaranteed... Blessings, On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Robert West wrote: We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own importance. Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. Bob- . -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the ultimate sacrifice. Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the military pisses me off. MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to stand up and say Enough! with total disregard to their personal safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to lay down their life in the military, that I will say Thank You to on the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand NO MORE, are we to possess less of an opportunity? No. Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. Thank you to US. ALL OF US! WE ROCK! Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. Bob- ---Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Everyone please have a safe sane 4th! - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - They Signed For Us Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am
Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US!
All of us. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! In regards to most of these folks - have you been to their town parades? In PA - you cannot go to a coal mining town and not see a tribute to the miners. We could say the same for the many who died building the large buildings in our cities. Can you name others who are fighting - and putting it all on the line right now? I can - Sheriff Depts across the nation, Fire and EMS across the nation Probation Officers, Highway Workers (yup they die quite a bit) and yes our military. Fayette County Hospital has representation in the parade, so do the churches, as does even McDonalds - Community Action, and even Farmers - just check how much farm equipment goes in the parade... so ... again - where do you find that there is less representation? The ideal you speak of is the simple fact that while many in this nation think its okay to burn the flag we have those who will stand up and take a bullet defending the freedom to burn the flag. In regards to the miners - they were doing it for a paycheck. PERIOD. I am willing to bet if you would like you can pay homage to those folks - and I think many here in Fayette County would join you. I fail to see where they are getting priority. In regards to Kent State - how many folks were injured in trying to protect Property and Lives? Slashing a hose line on a firefighter in my opinion is nothing short of Attempted Murder. Don't believe me - let me put you in a burning building without a water line - Any other firefighters on the list care to comment? In 1999 Kent University constructed an individual memorial for each of the students in the parking lot between Taylor and Prentice halls. Each of the four memorials is located on the exact spot where the student fell, mortally wounded. Crosby Stills Nash went to Kent State campus for the first time on May 4, 1997, where they performed the song for the May 4 Task Force's 27th annual commemoration. Something tells me that if your requesting that the military not be given any homage on the 4th - than I am right in stating since May 4th every year pays homage to the 4 who died @ Kent state... its okay for us to ignore them on the 4th as well... July 4th is about the Birth of a Nation - It is not about the Memory of those who Died in keeping its freedom.Thats a different Holiday called... Memorial Day. If that is your argument I can agree - but the rest - seems like scatter On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:31 PM, Robert West wrote: The ultimate sacrifice. The freedom riders, the miners and families at Matawan West Virginia, the protesters at Kent State. These people ALSO made the ultimate sacrifice, they died for what they felt was right. These are the ones I also feel should be remembered and thanked and if you get down to it, they took it upon themselves to fight for our freedoms, to fight for us. In reality, these are the people who are the epitome of Americanism more than the military for these stood up in defense of the moment with not thought to safety but in pure defense of an ideal. No one ordered them to do a thing, they just did what needed to be done and died for US. No one should get priority. This is to be for all of us, at least for me. We all are supposed to fight for all of us. Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the ultimate sacrifice. Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the
Re: [WISPA] Monitoring Software
Thanks, dude. I'll look into all of that. 3??? Easy to deal with? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chris Gotstein Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitoring Software Cacti, Smokeping and Nagios On 7/2/2010 9:17 PM, Robert West wrote: Moving the NOC across town.. Yeah, sucks but doing it and it looks to be a positive thing in the long run. Will be installing a nice air-conditioned, dark and ZEN NOC. (Sandalwood Incense optional) Big 56 LCD monitors, Mikrotik and UBNT hardware, DUDE servers.. (Air control blows at the moment, sorry Ben.)What monitoring software are you losers... Uh... Ahem...WISPS using? J Bob- -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chris Gotstein Sr Network Engineer UP Logon/Computer Connection UP 500 N Stephenson Ave Iron Mountain, MI 49801 Phone: 906-774-4847 Fax: 906-774-0335 ch...@uplogon.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Monitoring Software
Xymon for servers (cpu, ram, load, ps, etc) Dude for backbone Powercode for CPEs Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Chris Gotstein ch...@uplogon.com wrote: Cacti, Smokeping and Nagios On 7/2/2010 9:17 PM, Robert West wrote: Moving the NOC across town.. Yeah, sucks but doing it and it looks to be a positive thing in the long run. Will be installing a nice air-conditioned, dark and ZEN NOC. (Sandalwood Incense optional) Big 56 LCD monitors, Mikrotik and UBNT hardware, DUDE servers.. (Air control blows at the moment, sorry Ben.) What monitoring software are you losers... Uh... Ahem... WISPS using? J Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chris Gotstein Sr Network Engineer UP Logon/Computer Connection UP 500 N Stephenson Ave Iron Mountain, MI 49801 Phone: 906-774-4847 Fax: 906-774-0335 ch...@uplogon.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Monitoring Software
I'm using the dude but haven't looked at the others you mention. I'll give it a look see. Thanks, Josh. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitoring Software Xymon for servers (cpu, ram, load, ps, etc) Dude for backbone Powercode for CPEs Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Chris Gotstein ch...@uplogon.com wrote: Cacti, Smokeping and Nagios On 7/2/2010 9:17 PM, Robert West wrote: Moving the NOC across town.. Yeah, sucks but doing it and it looks to be a positive thing in the long run. Will be installing a nice air-conditioned, dark and ZEN NOC. (Sandalwood Incense optional) Big 56 LCD monitors, Mikrotik and UBNT hardware, DUDE servers.. (Air control blows at the moment, sorry Ben.) What monitoring software are you losers... Uh... Ahem... WISPS using? J Bob- - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chris Gotstein Sr Network Engineer UP Logon/Computer Connection UP 500 N Stephenson Ave Iron Mountain, MI 49801 Phone: 906-774-4847 Fax: 906-774-0335 ch...@uplogon.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US!
BOB My office is next to yours - basically... In your part of the country? Are you serious? Let me ask a silly question - if those in our part of the country were to read this message thread - what do you think they would say? In regards to domestically - there are tons that protect our freedoms. But the 4th is about the Birth of a Nation. I seriously think your opinion here is Jacked. And thats just my opinion. We can agree to disagree - and we can also agree to agree that there is more to our freedoms than the military. Anyhow - since the WISPA list is not for this kind of discussion - feel free to hit me up in person - via email etc. Bottom line - lets keep the politics for the WISPA list to be about 1 thing - the politics that surround being a WISP. My apologies to the group for going down this path bob - we can continue - just hit me off list - so we don't break the list rules and both loose our freedom of posting here ;-) On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote: Ah, but it's not just the military that protects us. The military protects us on the foreign front but what about the domestic? Think about that. Who protects your freedoms here? Not the military. I have 100% respect for the military, many of family members were in the military. But again, who protects you HERE? We all do, as a collective. You see, there are 2 parts to this. Foreign and domestic. In my part of the country, it's all military with no mention of regular Americans who stand up and take it. Hijacked, as in only one side being represented. If we have no defense of the Constitution and our freedoms domestically, then what?Who is here to protect you? That's what I'm saying. There is more to our freedoms than the military. We are the protection. All of us. Together. How can anyone argue with that? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I hope my previous post didnt come off negatively as it was not meant to be that way. I'm just hoping your thoughts about the military are more positive no matter how much you hear about them tomororow or any other day. While its a wonderful thought to give all priority, isnt that like saying we should all get prioirity parking when the handicap places take up the first row? I'm not sure that works. Furhtermore, there are plenty of people in the country who dont deserve it. At any rate, my main point is that I dont think the fourth was hijacked by the military but rather WE (US) chose to honor them on on Independence Day because if it werent for THEM it wouldnt exist and the right to celebrate it wouldnt exist either. So, they earned everything coming to them on a silver platter. As for me and many others, we have done nothing and do nothing to deserve the honor. BTW: We should only worship GOD as the good book says. off the soapbox God bless the USA and everyone in it! On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own importance. Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. Bob- . -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the ultimate sacrifice. Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL
Re: [WISPA] Monitoring Software
Powercode is a whole suite of things. This is what you put up on the board (bb2.html, the summary page) http://xymon.com/hobbit/bb2.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I'm using the dude but haven't looked at the others you mention. I'll give it a look see. Thanks, Josh. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitoring Software Xymon for servers (cpu, ram, load, ps, etc) Dude for backbone Powercode for CPEs Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Chris Gotstein ch...@uplogon.com wrote: Cacti, Smokeping and Nagios On 7/2/2010 9:17 PM, Robert West wrote: Moving the NOC across town.. Yeah, sucks but doing it and it looks to be a positive thing in the long run. Will be installing a nice air-conditioned, dark and ZEN NOC. (Sandalwood Incense optional) Big 56 LCD monitors, Mikrotik and UBNT hardware, DUDE servers.. (Air control blows at the moment, sorry Ben.) What monitoring software are you losers... Uh... Ahem... WISPS using? J Bob- - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chris Gotstein Sr Network Engineer UP Logon/Computer Connection UP 500 N Stephenson Ave Iron Mountain, MI 49801 Phone: 906-774-4847 Fax: 906-774-0335 ch...@uplogon.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Monitoring Software
Zabbix is very simple to use - have tons of the mib's for the hardware you use ready if interested On Jul 3, 2010, at 12:06 AM, Robert West wrote: ng the dude but haven't looked at the others you mention. I'll give it a look see. Thanks, Josh. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Monitoring Software
Cactimadeeasy is a great way to begin there PS - where you moving the noc ? On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:55 PM, Chris Gotstein wrote: Cacti, Smokeping and Nagios On 7/2/2010 9:17 PM, Robert West wrote: Moving the NOC across town.. Yeah, sucks but doing it and it looks to be a positive thing in the long run. Will be installing a nice air- conditioned, dark and ZEN NOC. (Sandalwood Incense optional) Big 56 LCD monitors, Mikrotik and UBNT hardware, DUDE servers.. (Air control blows at the moment, sorry Ben.)What monitoring software are you losers... Uh... Ahem...WISPS using? J Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chris Gotstein Sr Network Engineer UP Logon/Computer Connection UP 500 N Stephenson Ave Iron Mountain, MI 49801 Phone: 906-774-4847 Fax: 906-774-0335 ch...@uplogon.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US!
Like everything, there is a who, what, where, how, why. Who Independence Day really about? Surely, it is not about me or you is it? What does Independence Day for? As you said, our Independence, to be more precise, independence from England. Where did Independence Day start? Not at my house. We just OBSERVE it like most Americans. How did Independence Day begin? By the Declaration of Independence. Why is there an Independence Day? To commemorating the adoption of the Declaration of Independence. Here is my favorite bullet on the subject on Wikipedia: *In 1778, General George Washington marked July 4 with a double ration of rum for his soldiers and an artillery salute. Across the Atlantic Ocean, ambassadors John Adams and Benjamin Franklin held a dinner for their fellow Americans in Paris, France. Note the military, no others, we're the recipients of a gift for the occasion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Day_%28United_States%29 Maybe I just ramble but I am grateful for the men women of our military who actually protect our freedom, while the rest only watch. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Doesn't matter. Score keeping isn’t necessary. The fourth is to be for the country as a whole. To celebrate our independence,. In this we are to be equal. Is one American better than another American? I think not. Celebration of independence in which we are all to play a part. Too much Glenn Beck where separation and categorization of Americans happens. We are one. One country and one people no matter the sacrifices and no matter the political views. We are Americans and for that we should celebrate. That's my point. We are all a part of it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob - out of interest... Do you have any law enforcement, EMS, Fire or Military experience in your background? While working 9/11 - I lost many friends. While I survived with only cancer (and a bunch of weight gain) much of our platoon of EMS and Fire fighters got much worse. My children have had Tumors (the ones born after 9/11 and after my service there... ) Last I checked the parade in town had both the VFW, PBA, Fire Dept, Churches, Bikes with kids riding them, and yes - EVEN just as you call it EQUAL AMERICANS on the streets walking. Please don't take this as if I am attacking you - but I am wondering if you have paid any sacrifice towards the freedoms you hold so dear... Not saying that you have not - not done anything either... It was however through Blood, Sacrifice, Tears, Death, and yes ... EVEN WAR that our freedoms were given to us. It is through Blood, Sweat, Sacrifice, Tears, Death - and yes EVEN WAR that they have been maintained and guaranteed... Blessings, On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Robert West wrote: We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own importance. Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. Bob- . -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the ultimate sacrifice. Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to
Re: [WISPA] Monitoring Software
Cacti is pretty easy to get going. Smokeping is easy once you understand the syntax of the config file. Nagios has a learning curve, but it's a very powerful platform for monitoring. Each has it's own usage, depends what you are looking to monitor. On 7/2/2010 11:01 PM, Robert West wrote: Thanks, dude. I'll look into all of that. 3??? Easy to deal with? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chris Gotstein Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Monitoring Software Cacti, Smokeping and Nagios On 7/2/2010 9:17 PM, Robert West wrote: Moving the NOC across town.. Yeah, sucks but doing it and it looks to be a positive thing in the long run. Will be installing a nice air-conditioned, dark and ZEN NOC. (Sandalwood Incense optional) Big 56 LCD monitors, Mikrotik and UBNT hardware, DUDE servers.. (Air control blows at the moment, sorry Ben.)What monitoring software are you losers... Uh... Ahem...WISPS using? J Bob- -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chris Gotstein Sr Network Engineer UP Logon/Computer Connection UP 500 N Stephenson Ave Iron Mountain, MI 49801 Phone: 906-774-4847 Fax: 906-774-0335 ch...@uplogon.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chris Gotstein Sr Network Engineer UP Logon/Computer Connection UP 500 N Stephenson Ave Iron Mountain, MI 49801 Phone: 906-774-4847 Fax: 906-774-0335 ch...@uplogon.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US!
Glenn, the list is dead and the timing is appropriate for a short thread on the subject. You are exactly correct, it IS about the birth of our nation, which was made so by those that dearly sacrificed towards that goal, and by those that continue preserve it. Pure simple. While we say Happy Birthday to US - as nation! That does not mean it is about US, but rather FOR US, at least in my mind. Personally, it means that I can own a WISP without government tyranny. Well, so far anyway. Which is why this subject is so important. I get a bit emotional when you read surveys that say 1 in 4 Americans dont know who we fought against for our independence. Or other historical facts about this great country. I'm sure the percentage is much higher in our ranks though! Have a Happy 4th! Remember who, what, where, when, how why! On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: BOB My office is next to yours - basically... In your part of the country? Are you serious? Let me ask a silly question - if those in our part of the country were to read this message thread - what do you think they would say? In regards to domestically - there are tons that protect our freedoms. But the 4th is about the Birth of a Nation. I seriously think your opinion here is Jacked. And thats just my opinion. We can agree to disagree - and we can also agree to agree that there is more to our freedoms than the military. Anyhow - since the WISPA list is not for this kind of discussion - feel free to hit me up in person - via email etc. Bottom line - lets keep the politics for the WISPA list to be about 1 thing - the politics that surround being a WISP. My apologies to the group for going down this path bob - we can continue - just hit me off list - so we don't break the list rules and both loose our freedom of posting here ;-) On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote: Ah, but it's not just the military that protects us. The military protects us on the foreign front but what about the domestic? Think about that. Who protects your freedoms here? Not the military. I have 100% respect for the military, many of family members were in the military. But again, who protects you HERE? We all do, as a collective. You see, there are 2 parts to this. Foreign and domestic. In my part of the country, it's all military with no mention of regular Americans who stand up and take it. Hijacked, as in only one side being represented. If we have no defense of the Constitution and our freedoms domestically, then what? Who is here to protect you? That's what I'm saying. There is more to our freedoms than the military. We are the protection. All of us. Together. How can anyone argue with that? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I hope my previous post didnt come off negatively as it was not meant to be that way. I'm just hoping your thoughts about the military are more positive no matter how much you hear about them tomororow or any other day. While its a wonderful thought to give all priority, isnt that like saying we should all get prioirity parking when the handicap places take up the first row? I'm not sure that works. Furhtermore, there are plenty of people in the country who dont deserve it. At any rate, my main point is that I dont think the fourth was hijacked by the military but rather WE (US) chose to honor them on on Independence Day because if it werent for THEM it wouldnt exist and the right to celebrate it wouldnt exist either. So, they earned everything coming to them on a silver platter. As for me and many others, we have done nothing and do nothing to deserve the honor. BTW: We should only worship GOD as the good book says. off the soapbox God bless the USA and everyone in it! On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own importance. Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. Bob- . -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered
