Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Yeah.  Been there done that.  We set ours to default to ON though.

I also have to be careful to turn off the "allow access from same subnet 
only" option.  That one's dinged me a few times.

I've had 1 or two of these units fail, ever.  I probably have 8 or 10 of 
them out there (more going in from time to time) some for many years now.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Forbes Mercy" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting


> Most common mistake made with the Web Power Switch units is the default
> is to leave plugs off when losing power, we change those settings to
> restore to previous state on power loss, problem solved.  Don't forget
> to save changes.
>
> Forbes
>
> On 7/28/2010 10:26 AM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
>> Thanks for making me think about it.  Last night at 7:30 we had a tower
>> go down.  Cause...web power switch failed and shut off all the plugs.  I
>> guess we'll have to try the battery trick.
>>
>> -Kristian
>>
>> On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 19:36 -0700, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
>>
>>> We've had almost as many dispatches to fix/replace broken DLI web power
>>> switches as we have saved dispatches from being able to remotely reboot
>>> devices.  At this point, we have half a dozen on the shelf that I'm
>>> reluctant to send out in the field.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, we have some older units (pre autoping) that have
>>> been running for 2-3 years in hot nasty environments.  I wish we could
>>> figure out what was causing the failures because, in theory, they're
>>> good units and reasonably priced.
>>>
>>> -- 
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>>> System Administrator
>>> kh...@fire2wire.com
>>> http://www.fire2wire.com
>>>
>>> Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 19:36 -0400, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>>
 Anyone has experience with the webpower switch? Good ? bad ?

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Cameron Crum
 Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:32 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

 Mine quit responding so i called in...they told me they no longer
 supported the paging protocol those units used.

 On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Chuck Profito 
 wrote:

> http://www.digitalloggers.com/lpc.html
>
> This is the small one, there is a larger one, both have auto ping for 
> off
> line rebooting.  We have them on all ap / tower sites.   They a have 
> saved a
> trip up the hill many a night! no monthly fee.
> Also, put a old CB-3 into the surge side of a battery backup and your
> network auto ping will know EXACTLY when the power goes down, and you 
> know
> how long the batteries will last.
>
>
> Chuck Profito
> 209-988-7388
> CV-Access, Inc.
> www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com
> Providing Broadband Internet Access to
> California's Rural Central Valley
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:41 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
>
>What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at
> WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are
> cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.
>
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Re: [WISPA] FW: About to switch

[Cameron Crum]

Dang it...was hoping to see you tazered off a pole and writhing shirtless on
the ground on the next episode of COPS. I guess I'll just have to wait for
the next time...or at lteast when you get drunk and decide to "make amends".

Cameron

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Robert West wrote:

> Yeah.  So I raised hell and climbed the tree.  So finally, four days after
> hobbling in  the new space, up shows 2 big ass trucks and TW installer
> boys.
> (Not to be sexist.  Even TW warner knows that males are better at the
> install.  Truth sucks, not my fault.)  Installer boys are actually
> customers
> of ours bitching about the business class sales department.  Were jealous
> of
> our new 3500 square foot digs.  (I'll be walking 15 miles a day just
> looking
> for stuff)
>
> In the end, the bonus!
>
> Gave me two residential amps for our 1000 feet or video drops, a 1000 foot
> reel of video coax for the rest of my coax cabling and a big old box of
> compression fittings.
>
> Also a strange look and a question of "What the hell is all that coax on
> the
> ground?"
>
> All good.  Salesman boy is history, though.  Will no longer deal with him.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 2:26 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: About to switch
>
> Oh the joy of working with big companies with no inner-correspondence. I
> wish it were the same everywhere. Unfortunately, the big company I compete
> against has most of their $hit together.
>
> Scottie
>
> > At least you still have your "since" of humor.
> >
> > I think you should be proud of yourself for knowing how to make it
> > work instead of just sitting there staring at it until someone else
> > fixes it.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Robert West
> > 
> > wrote:
> >> Oh, I just have to share my Time Warner drama.  Moved the office,
> >> gave them over 30 days’ notice to move our copper and fiber but still
> >> hasn’t happened.  Imagine crawling under your neighbors deck at 7 AM
> >> , dragging coax, just to connect into their coax drop with no
> >> permission to do so just to get your phones and office internet to
> >> work.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The joy of being in business.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At least I didn’t get shot.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Our salesman is “Quite Angry”.  Right.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read below.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Who Else-
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Morris, John [mailto:john.morr...@twcable.com]
> >> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:37 PM
> >> To: 'robert.w...@just-micro.com'
> >> Subject: Re: About to switch
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't know how you keep your since of humor after all this. I am
> >> quite angry that this happened to one of my customers, especially a
> >> good customer such as yourself. Try and have a good evening as well.
> >> --
> >> Sent using BlackBerry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> From: Robert West 
> >> To: Morris, John
> >> Sent: Mon Aug 02 21:20:55 2010
> >> Subject: RE: About to switch
> >>
> >> Yes but over a month just to get an installer to show up for no more
> >> than half an hour is crazy.  We went live today and if I hadn’t of
> >> taken care of it myself we would have been dead in the water.  With
> >> the economy the way it is, we can ‘t take the risk of even one day
> >> with no one answering the phones.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Think about it.  Moving a business from a location where people are
> >> used to seeing you for over 7 years (We’ve been in business for 11
> >> years) and then no answer on the phone?  Makes it look like we closed
> >> for good and THAT’S the unacceptable thing.  A sense of urgency and
> >> continuity.  I really don’t see that with our vendors, not just you.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I’m already stressed.  When we moved to our old location 7 years ago
> >> it went smooth.  This could have been a mess for the average business
> >> owner and a sure ending of their business.  We’re just lucky that
> >> we’ll risk breaking the law to make sure all systems are functional.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We shouldn’t have to dig out used coax and connectors, crawl under a
> >> neighbors deck and connect into their TW drop without asking at seven
> >> in the morning..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It’s not a personal thing, it’s about survival.  That’s what has made
> >> us winners and I’ll continue being outside that box regardless of the
> cost.
> >> Certainly there is a process over at TW that gets the install done
> >> and over.  Just push that panic button and it’s all good.  To be
> >> contacted to “schedule” an install after 30 days is insulting.  We
> >> just aren’t that important.  That’s the way it looks.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I really should

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers

[Marlon K. Schafer]

I'd think you'd want about 2 to 3x your max speed limit.  But it depends a LOT 
on what your customer's habits are.

IF you have a lot of gamers or people watching movies online you'll need a lot 
more bandwidth.  If you have people surfing, watching a little youtube, and 
emailing you'll not need much.

We watch our usage and when the system hits 95% of capacity for mroe than a few 
minutes per day we buy more capacity.

That help?
marlon

  - Original Message - 
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  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers


  How much bandwidth do you purchase per 100 customers to deliver  2M down and 
1M up?
From: ~NGL~ 
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:37 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers


What ratio of bandwidth per 100 customers is being used to deliver  2M down 
and 1M up?









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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers

[Marco Coelho]

We see each server with about 500 subs sucks down during peak load at
around 50M/s. or around 100 subs per 10M 10 users per meg.
Your mileage may vary.

We rarely see less than 20M for the same 500 subs

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers

[Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor]

Bob,

what part of the country are you in? Sadly, when I do work in bedroom
communities... it's just never worth my time. But when I need the
business... ugh.

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Robert West  wrote:
> Yep.  In my case, business users are low usage.  It’s the residential that
> will drive me crazy.
>
>
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 12:17 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers
>
>
>
> Also I guess when you are saying 100 subs is that mainly 100 residential
> with one or two computers behind the cpe. One of my customers has 20
> computers so I guess it all evens out.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 31, 2010, at 10:52 PM, Robert West 
> wrote:
>
> My thinking has been 10 meg per 100 as a baseline but it really depends on
> the usage in that network.  If there are heavy Netflix or any other HD video
> service, the demand could be double.  Monitoring is the only thing that will
> determine your final ratio.
>
>
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:11 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers
>
>
>
> Well we do 2x512 and 4x1 and 200 customers use roughly 15 megs.
>
> On Jul 31, 2010 10:51 AM, "~NGL~"  wrote:
>
> How much bandwidth do you purchase per 100 customers to deliver  2M down and
> 1M up?
>
> From: ~NGL~
>
> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:37 AM
>
> To: WISPA General List
>
> Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers
>
>>
>> What ratio of bandwidth per 100 customers is being used to deliver  2M
>> down and 1M up?
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Multiple sectors, one frequency?

[Marco Coelho]

Don't forget you can gain some serious isolation by using different
polarities for your backhauls than your customer site.  Tower height
separation is also a good way to gain isolation.

The Andrews High Performance dishes (shrouded) also rock

Marco


On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:22 AM, Robert West  wrote:
> So maybe a Canopy style backhaul would be the better choice?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of MDK
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:14 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple sectors, one frequency?
>
> Fred, a guy on the UBNT site was offering some RF shields for the UBNT
> sectors.   Those, combined with spacing and screening and grounding,
> appeared to bring the RXSL down low enough to actually put the same
> frequencies on the same tower.    Or, if it were a building or water tank,
>
> But, Airmax does not provide immunity from self interference on its own.   I
>
> know, I tried.   I put a backhaul and sector on the same frequency and when
> the sector was busy, it seriously degraded the backhaul's throughput.   And
> vice versa.
>
>
>
> ++
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> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:31 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] Multiple sectors, one frequency?
>
>> If I have a site with, say, Ubiquiti Rocket M5 radios plugged into
>> 120 degree sector antennas, with Airmax (TDMA) turned on, do they have
>> to be on separate frequencies, or can they coexist on one?  The
>> 5.8 GHz band is kind of crowded to be having three access frequencies
>> plus two or more backhaul frequencies... thanks.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Multiple sectors, one frequency?

[Fred Goldstein]

At 8/5/2010 01:01 AM, Robert West wrote:
>Yeah, the R52Hn does but the sensitivity sucks compared to the UBNT radio.
>I use the MT cards only for close range  now, seemed great at first but I
>was having g issues after a while.  My MT boards with UBNT cards, however,
>run seemingly forever with no issues.  I have 2 433 boards with XR2 cards
>that haven't rebooted for over a YEAR!

I wish these guys would cooperate more on drivers.  I have a site 
(the injection point) where I really want to blast a couple of 80 
Mbps links out of a Routerboard 800, so it has to be MIMO.  The R52Hn 
boards have roughly the same sensitivity specs "on paper" (on PDF?) 
as the UBNT SR71-15s, and are supported in RouterOS, but I am *not* 
surprised that a pricier UBNT board, with more shielding and heat 
sinks, and perhaps a better front-end transistor under that shield, 
works better in practice.  The money is all in the noise for this 
application (backhaul), but the SR71 family doesn't seem to fully 
work in RouterOS.  Grumble grumble...

>But back to the issue, if you MUST run the same frequency, you MUST wrap
>your sectors in some shielding in order to isolate the RF from the other
>radios.
>
>A guy in the UBNT forums has such a thing.  rfar...@hydrosoft.net  Shoot him
>an email.  He says it makes the other sectors invisible.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised... it's plastic!  A little metal 
goes a long way.



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>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
>Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:06 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple sectors, one frequency?
>
>At 8/4/2010 11:50 PM, Robert West wrote:
> >A mess.  Just run Air View and it will answer your question.  As long
> >as one radio can see one of the other radios, it's messed up to no end.
> >I have seen, however, some pretty nice but large shields that will
> >isolate the sectors but in the end, just change the freakin' channels,
>already!
> >
>
>The radios aren't up yet.  I'm laying out the links map to create the BoM
>for each of the nodes.  Since it requires multiple hops of radio for
>backhaul, in a meshy configuration, some poles need 6 radios.  Not a lot of
>channel space... especially when you have to coordinate with the three to 8
>other nodes you've got adjacency to.  (Okay, to do more than 3, one of the
>radios is a PtMP shared backhaul link.  Darned 36 dBi EIRP limit... the PtP
>end of the link needs lots of antenna gain when it's 15 miles away!)
>
>The R52Hn does narrow channels too, doesn't it?  I'm not sure that the
>SR71-15 works too well in RouterOS.
>
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 3:32 PM
> >To: WISPA General List
> >Subject: [WISPA] Multiple sectors, one frequency?
> >
> >If I have a site with, say, Ubiquiti Rocket M5 radios plugged into
> >120 degree sector antennas, with Airmax (TDMA) turned on, do they have to
>be
> >on separate frequencies, or can they coexist on one?  The
> >5.8 GHz band is kind of crowded to be having three access frequencies plus
> >two or more backhaul frequencies... thanks.
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Google, VZ and Net Neutrality

[David E. Smith]

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:31, chris cooper  wrote:

>
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/05/technology/05secret.html?_r=1&hp
>
>
Google already has publicly denied this:
https://twitter.com/googlepubpolicy/status/20393606477
"@NYTimes  is wrong. We've not had any convos
with VZN about paying for carriage of our traffic. We remain committed to an
open internet."

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[WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

[Patrick Leary]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/google-verizon-deal-the-e_b_67
1617.html

They are closing a deal with Verizon on Monday that will essentially
blackmail content providers. "Want your content to get through faster?
Pay us." That is pretty much it in a nutshell. Maybe ISPs around the
world should block Google entirely unless they pay you then.

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Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

[Josh Luthman]

Google updated Twitter saying that story is false.

On Aug 5, 2010 1:46 PM, "Patrick Leary"  wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/google-verizon-deal-the-e_b_67
1617.html

They are closing a deal with Verizon on Monday that will essentially
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Pay us." That is pretty much it in a nutshell. Maybe ISPs around the
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Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

[Bret Clark]

Would Google say it was true???

On 08/05/2010 01:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Google updated Twitter saying that story is false.

On Aug 5, 2010 1:46 PM, "Patrick Leary" > wrote:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/google-verizon-deal-the-e_b_67
1617.html 



They are closing a deal with Verizon on Monday that will essentially
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Pay us." That is pretty much it in a nutshell. Maybe ISPs around the
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Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

[Josh Luthman]

Deny it sure...but a blatant lie?

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On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Bret Clark  wrote:
> Would Google say it was true???
>
> On 08/05/2010 01:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Google updated Twitter saying that story is false.
>
> On Aug 5, 2010 1:46 PM, "Patrick Leary"  wrote:
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/google-verizon-deal-the-e_b_67
> 1617.html
>
> They are closing a deal with Verizon on Monday that will essentially
> blackmail content providers. "Want your content to get through faster?
> Pay us." That is pretty much it in a nutshell. Maybe ISPs around the
> world should block Google entirely unless they pay you then.
>
> Patrick
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Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

[Justin Wilson]

Keep in mind they are a public company.  Worst case is some smoke and
mirrors.
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From: Josh Luthman 
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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 14:01:53 -0400
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

Deny it sure...but a blatant lie?

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On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Bret Clark  wrote:
> Would Google say it was true???
>
> On 08/05/2010 01:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Google updated Twitter saying that story is false.
>
> On Aug 5, 2010 1:46 PM, "Patrick Leary"  wrote:
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/google-verizon-deal-the-e_b_67
> 1617.html
>
> They are closing a deal with Verizon on Monday that will essentially
> blackmail content providers. "Want your content to get through faster?
> Pay us." That is pretty much it in a nutshell. Maybe ISPs around the
> world should block Google entirely unless they pay you then.
>
> Patrick
> As an individual
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

[David E. Smith]

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:45, Patrick Leary  wrote:

> They are closing a deal with Verizon on Monday that will essentially
> blackmail content providers. "Want your content to get through faster?
> Pay us." That is pretty much it in a nutshell. Maybe ISPs around the
> world should block Google entirely unless they pay you then.
>
>
Both Google and Verizon have already stated that this is false. The New York
Times reporter, I'd guess, just saw "zomg Google and Verizon are talking
about stuff" and invented the rest.

http://mashable.com/2010/08/05/google-verizon-net-neutrality-2/ has a bit
better summary of the issues.

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Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

[MDK]

This is about business.   Don't insult us by posting "Huffington" as 
anything but trash.

There's no detail in the story whatsoever, to judge the merits of the 
"conclusions" of the writer, so I assume it's pure trash, like everything 
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From: "Patrick Leary" 
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:45 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/google-verizon-deal-the-e_b_67
> 1617.html
>
> They are closing a deal with Verizon on Monday that will essentially
> blackmail content providers. "Want your content to get through faster?
> Pay us." That is pretty much it in a nutshell. Maybe ISPs around the
> world should block Google entirely unless they pay you then.
>
> Patrick
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Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

[Josh Luthman]

It was off of a NYT news article.

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On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:01 PM, MDK  wrote:
> This is about business.   Don't insult us by posting "Huffington" as
> anything but trash.
>
> There's no detail in the story whatsoever, to judge the merits of the
> "conclusions" of the writer, so I assume it's pure trash, like everything
> else on Huffington.
>
>
>
> ++
> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> ++
>
> --
> From: "Patrick Leary" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:45 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet
>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/google-verizon-deal-the-e_b_67
>> 1617.html
>>
>> They are closing a deal with Verizon on Monday that will essentially
>> blackmail content providers. "Want your content to get through faster?
>> Pay us." That is pretty much it in a nutshell. Maybe ISPs around the
>> world should block Google entirely unless they pay you then.
>>
>> Patrick
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Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

[Martha Huizenga]

 I don't see posting a link as an insult. If you don't like Huffington, 
then delete the message.


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On 8/5/2010 3:01 PM, MDK wrote:

This is about business.   Don't insult us by posting "Huffington" as
anything but trash.

There's no detail in the story whatsoever, to judge the merits of the
"conclusions" of the writer, so I assume it's pure trash, like everything
else on Huffington.



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Subject: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/google-verizon-deal-the-e_b_67
1617.html

They are closing a deal with Verizon on Monday that will essentially
blackmail content providers. "Want your content to get through faster?
Pay us." That is pretty much it in a nutshell. Maybe ISPs around the
world should block Google entirely unless they pay you then.

Patrick
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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

[RickG]

How does this apply to wireless?

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike  wrote:
> 04 AUG 2010 --> From    http://www.spaceweather.com
>
> "The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35%
> chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on August
> 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert for auroras."
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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

[Josh Luthman]

http://www.google.com/search?q=geomagnetic+storms+wireless&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

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On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, RickG  wrote:
> How does this apply to wireless?
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike  wrote:
>> 04 AUG 2010 --> From    http://www.spaceweather.com
>>
>> "The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35%
>> chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on August
>> 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert for auroras."
>>
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>>
>> Mike
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

[richard sterne]

I think they call it Brown out.

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[WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[RickG]

Here is a good one!

I have a short "link" of about 3 miles from my main tower to another.
On the main tower I have four UBNT 5G-20-90's with RockeyM5's running
firmware 5.2. All have performed very well since I installed them
earlier this year. On the other end at the problem tower I have a 26Db
grid with a BulletM5 also running fw5.2. The link was doing well until
two days ago. Then, the latency went through the roof. I assumed it
was the radio but after switching it out twice, I decided to blame the
antenna. So, I swapped out the grids multiple times. Then decided to
try a Nanostation, and a Nanobridge but got worse results. I'd blame
the sector on the main tower but another link on it remains working
well. There is a topology difference between the working link and the
poor link with the later being higher. There is some noise in the area
but not unusual. What I do note is that the main tower does not "see"
the far end very well (-78) and it should really be much higher. The
receive rate is only 6.5Mbps.

At any rate, I've got about 3 dozen subs on this tower and worked on
it until 5am so I'm ready for some fresh input!

Thanks in advance!
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[WISPA] dielectric "compound"

[RickG]

With upgrades this year, when I remember, I've been using some
dielectric "compound" I purchased earlier this year. So far,
everything has been fine but I recently noted the label says it
contains silicone and got concerned. Is silicone a bad thing for the
connectors?
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Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

[MDK]

Same problem.

There was no detail in the story.   Nothing.   did not explain HOW it was 
supposed to work, etc.




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From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

> It was off of a NYT news article.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:01 PM, MDK  wrote:
>> This is about business.   Don't insult us by posting "Huffington" as
>> anything but trash.
>>
>> There's no detail in the story whatsoever, to judge the merits of the
>> "conclusions" of the writer, so I assume it's pure trash, like everything
>> else on Huffington.
>>
>>
>>
>> ++
>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>> ++
>>
>> --
>> From: "Patrick Leary" 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:45 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet
>>
>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/google-verizon-deal-the-e_b_67
>>> 1617.html
>>>
>>> They are closing a deal with Verizon on Monday that will essentially
>>> blackmail content providers. "Want your content to get through faster?
>>> Pay us." That is pretty much it in a nutshell. Maybe ISPs around the
>>> world should block Google entirely unless they pay you then.
>>>
>>> Patrick
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Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

[MDK]

Want your internet to move faster, pay me more money.I tell my customers 
that.

Wow, what a criminal I am.   Destroying the internet.

Sheesh.Can we get past the noise and on to what an immense opportunity 
this would be for private enterprise to thrash Verizon?

If Qwest, Charter would just get into these agreements,  my phone would ring 
like never before and I'd be hiring people ot keep up with the demand.

All we have to fear is government.Period.

It is the only deadly enemy.






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To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/google-verizon-deal-the-e_b_67
> 1617.html
>
> They are closing a deal with Verizon on Monday that will essentially
> blackmail content providers. "Want your content to get through faster?
> Pay us." That is pretty much it in a nutshell. Maybe ISPs around the
> world should block Google entirely unless they pay you then.
>
> Patrick
> As an individual
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Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower

[RickG]

Contracts are NOT something to be taken lightly. As tempting as it is
to do it without a lawyer, it's not worth it! You only get one shot
and after that you gotta live with it. I've passed out contracts that
were written by a lawyer in past years but found issues with them
myself. They really need to be specific to your needs. So, I had
"Larry the Lawyer" draw up a basic contract for my needs. His rates
are reasonable, and he was a WISP so he knows our business!

Larry Yunker
Barkan & Robon, Ltd.
1701 Woodlands Dr. Suite 100
Maumee, OH  43537
(419) 897-6500


On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Robert West  wrote:
> Liam is a REALLY good guy.  I’ve been taking time to mentor him and he
> finally made his first backhaul link.  WAY TO GO LIAM!  Met him at his first
> grain leg, climbed it a few times, instructed him.  Dropped a rope for him.
> He’s a quick learner and is really dedicated to getting this done RIGHT!
>   (And he calls me ten times a day!  Tis okay….)
>
>
>
> Even made his own, Bob Designed “Big-Ass-Box” for his equipment install at
> the leg.
>
>
>
> Any help you guys can give to Liam is appreciated by me as well.  He really
> deserves it.  Even though he is AFRAID of HEIGHTS!
>
>
>
> Sorry dude, I know you gave me 20 bucks not to tell anyone but it was just
> too sweet.  J
>
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>
> I’ll give the 20 bucks back next time we hook up, dude.  My bad.
>
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> Bob-
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> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Liam Cummings
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 8:18 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower
>
>
>
> This is the only reply I got on this.  I guess I have no takers. L
>
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>
> I can become a member today but I highly doubt the sample contracts will be
> what I am looking for.
>
>
>
> Thanks
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> Liam
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>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch
> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:47 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower
>
>
>
> If you're a WISPA member, I think the wiki has a number of sample contracts.
>
> Chuck
>
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>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:50 AM, "Liam Cummings"
>  wrote:
>
> I’m looking for a good contract to use for exclusive use of someone’s tower.
> Anyone want to share what they have with us? Would save me tons of time. J
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Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

[RickG]

When I worked for AT&T Wireless we purchased everything from DS3's to
DS1's from Time Warner Telecom.

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Fred Goldstein  wrote:
> At 8/4/2010 08:06 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>   Time Warner Telecom and Time Warner Cable are entirely different
>>companies.  No present relationship whatsoever.
>
> Even worse than that.  tw Telecom (small "tw"), Time Warner Cable,
> and Time Warner Inc. (CNN-Turner, Time magazine, etc.) are *three*
> different companies, now that TWC has been spun off.  I wonder if
> they'll be required to change their name at some point, as tw Telecom
> was.  Of course since tw Telecom got the "tw", the cable folks will
> have to go farther afield.  (I rather like their old "Sterling Cable"
> brand, but they probably don't.)
>
> The "ITT" name is shared by various former subsidiaries of a
> now-split conglomerate.  (I think the residuary is Starwood Hotels,
> not one of the "ITT"-branded companies.)  "AT&T Wireless" was spun
> out of AT&T Corp. at one point, though with a bit of irony both were
> later acquired by Southwestern Bell, which took the ATT brand for
> itself.  I refer to them (now "AT&T Inc.") as "faux AT&T".  This
> could make deciphering deals with "AT&T" very confusing.
>
>
>>-
>>Mike Hammett
>>Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>>On 8/4/2010 1:23 AM, John Thomas wrote:
>> > Yes, I have heard of them. Time Warner (TW Telecom) is my
>> upstream. We aren't paying for IP addresses, but we only have a /27
>> of addresses with them.
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[Faisal Imtiaz]

do the ususal stuff...

Try changing channel ?
Try to shrink the channel to 10mhz or 5mhz

Any possibility of water in the cables  ? or something phyiscally off 
with the coax jumpers ? (AP side ?)

Since you have done everything on the far side. how about looking at the 
AP Side


Run ...Airview to see if there is interference that is not being picked 
up on site survey ?

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&  Telecom

On 8/5/2010 4:01 PM, RickG wrote:
> Here is a good one!
>
> I have a short "link" of about 3 miles from my main tower to another.
> On the main tower I have four UBNT 5G-20-90's with RockeyM5's running
> firmware 5.2. All have performed very well since I installed them
> earlier this year. On the other end at the problem tower I have a 26Db
> grid with a BulletM5 also running fw5.2. The link was doing well until
> two days ago. Then, the latency went through the roof. I assumed it
> was the radio but after switching it out twice, I decided to blame the
> antenna. So, I swapped out the grids multiple times. Then decided to
> try a Nanostation, and a Nanobridge but got worse results. I'd blame
> the sector on the main tower but another link on it remains working
> well. There is a topology difference between the working link and the
> poor link with the later being higher. There is some noise in the area
> but not unusual. What I do note is that the main tower does not "see"
> the far end very well (-78) and it should really be much higher. The
> receive rate is only 6.5Mbps.
>
> At any rate, I've got about 3 dozen subs on this tower and worked on
> it until 5am so I'm ready for some fresh input!
>
> Thanks in advance!
> -RickG
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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

[RickG]

I thought so but had to ask. I've got some strange things going on so
I'm wondering but hate to jump to conclusions.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=geomagnetic+storms+wireless&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, RickG  wrote:
>> How does this apply to wireless?
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike  wrote:
>>> 04 AUG 2010 --> From    http://www.spaceweather.com
>>>
>>> "The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35%
>>> chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on August
>>> 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert for auroras."
>>>
>>> Friendly Regards,
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

[Mike]

Besides affecting the electrical grid, this very well could now be affecting
your long links at microwave frequency.  The coronal discharge was very
large and may cause the northern lights to be visible tonight and tomorrow
night.  I would be curious if anyone sees any effect on their links during
this event.  Some satellite communications have already been affected.

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 

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Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 2:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

How does this apply to wireless?

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike  wrote:
> 04 AUG 2010 --> From    http://www.spaceweather.com
>
> "The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35%
> chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on August
> 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert for auroras."
>
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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

[Mike]

It is very likely all of us will see some strange things, especially on long
links.  I would suspect it would manifest itself in our business as
unexplained fade and perhaps interference as other signals are bounced off a
charged ionosphere.  Then again, because of the focused radiation of dishes
and sectors, we may see no effect.  Rick, what are you seeing?

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 
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Advanced Wireless Express
P.O. Box 255
Toledo, IA   52342
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 3:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

I thought so but had to ask. I've got some strange things going on so
I'm wondering but hate to jump to conclusions.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
>
http://www.google.com/search?q=geomagnetic+storms+wireless&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, RickG  wrote:
>> How does this apply to wireless?
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike  wrote:
>>> 04 AUG 2010 --> From    http://www.spaceweather.com
>>>
>>> "The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35%
>>> chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on August
>>> 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert for auroras."
>>>
>>> Friendly Regards,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[RickG]

Faisal, I was hoping you would reply! My answers inline below:

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> do the ususal stuff...
>
> Try changing channel ?

Yes. Tried all available channels.

> Try to shrink the channel to 10mhz or 5mhz

Yes. Results were just as bad if not worse.

>
> Any possibility of water in the cables  ?
or something phyiscally off
> with the coax jumpers ?

I tried multiple new cables. Plus, eliminated cables by using the Nanobridge.

>(AP side ?)
>
> Since you have done everything on the far side. how about looking at the
> AP Side

It's possible. Going there now. But, other link off sector is working
well albeit a bit degraded compared to what it was when originally
installed.

>
>
> Run ...Airview to see if there is interference that is not being picked
> up on site survey ?

Airview channel usage attached. I didnt realize you have to save each
scan separately. WIll get all results later.

>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>
> On 8/5/2010 4:01 PM, RickG wrote:
>> Here is a good one!
>>
>> I have a short "link" of about 3 miles from my main tower to another.
>> On the main tower I have four UBNT 5G-20-90's with RockeyM5's running
>> firmware 5.2. All have performed very well since I installed them
>> earlier this year. On the other end at the problem tower I have a 26Db
>> grid with a BulletM5 also running fw5.2. The link was doing well until
>> two days ago. Then, the latency went through the roof. I assumed it
>> was the radio but after switching it out twice, I decided to blame the
>> antenna. So, I swapped out the grids multiple times. Then decided to
>> try a Nanostation, and a Nanobridge but got worse results. I'd blame
>> the sector on the main tower but another link on it remains working
>> well. There is a topology difference between the working link and the
>> poor link with the later being higher. There is some noise in the area
>> but not unusual. What I do note is that the main tower does not "see"
>> the far end very well (-78) and it should really be much higher. The
>> receive rate is only 6.5Mbps.
>>
>> At any rate, I've got about 3 dozen subs on this tower and worked on
>> it until 5am so I'm ready for some fresh input!
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>> -RickG
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

[RickG]

Thanks Mike for posting this. It's probably easier to see my other
post than to readdress here but basically I'm seeing very bad latency
on one particular link. Not that 3 miles is long, as all my other
links are working well which includes several over 10 miles.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Mike  wrote:
> It is very likely all of us will see some strange things, especially on long
> links.  I would suspect it would manifest itself in our business as
> unexplained fade and perhaps interference as other signals are bounced off a
> charged ionosphere.  Then again, because of the focused radiation of dishes
> and sectors, we may see no effect.  Rick, what are you seeing?
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Gilchrist
> Disruptive Technologist
> Advanced Wireless Express
> P.O. Box 255
> Toledo, IA   52342
> 239.770.6203
> m...@aweiowa.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 3:48 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection
>
> I thought so but had to ask. I've got some strange things going on so
> I'm wondering but hate to jump to conclusions.
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
>>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=geomagnetic+storms+wireless&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
> &aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>> How does this apply to wireless?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike  wrote:
 04 AUG 2010 --> From    http://www.spaceweather.com

 "The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35%
 chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on August
 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert for auroras."

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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.

[RickG]

My sales guy almost got fired over selling me fiber. His marketing
group (regional) was fighting with the local group. In the end, the
regional chief came to visit our NOC. He then ascertained that I was
no threat to their target customers and that I can keep the
connection.

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Robert West  wrote:
> I have at least 4 business class connections as well as the fiber but just
> make sure you have written permission from their sales department or at
> least acknowledgement that you are in the business of reselling the access.
> Any salesperson will give you that, they just want the sale.  It gets you
> around their TOS.
>
> But keep in mind that it's not dedicated, it's already shared access so way
> less customers per MB on it.  And your ping times suffer from the get go.
>
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:17 PM
> To: motor...@afmug.com
> Cc: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
>
> Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea of how
> many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to DSL/CABLE
> connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale their business
> class connections. My partner and I were discussing the pro's and con's of
> using a Cable business class connection. Money wise, it's a no brainer. I
> can get a 10 meg connection for around $100/mth and I am paying a little
> over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at the moment. The problems I see is they
> will only give you about 5 public IP's and what would happen if they get
> blacklisted/blocked/etc... and how fast will outages be fixed.
>
> I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists that were
> using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought this survey might
> give an idea of the ratio that are using them.
>
> For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the first
> option.
>
> Here are the results so far:
>
> 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of transporting
> your users data to a medium that eventually connects to the nationwide
> backbone.
>
> A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides T1(DS1) or
> NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as AT&T, Qwest, Sprint,
> etc... That provide you with at least a class C of public addresses or you
> can use your own.
>        82.4%   28
> Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or
> home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user account,
> and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to you...(Ignoring usage
> policies of your provider).
>        2.9%    1
> Other (please specify)
>        14.7%   5
> 1.      a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service such
> as
> (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant for
> multi-residential use.
> 2.      Two separate Hosting Centers
> 3.      Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and
> UUNET
> 4.      we are our own provider with our own ip range
> 5.      Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23
>
>
> 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or dsl, or
> other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to all or most of
> your customers. What are your plans when your public IP's gets banned,
> blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...?
>
> 1.      Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our
> management
> including CALEA
> 2.      The two hosting centers are two different companies and each has
> 3-10
> first tier providers they 'blend' on BGP. We buy at around $12-$20 per Mbps.
> We have our own ARIN Public IP's, but the providers handle BGP and we just
> take two redundant GigE ethernets to their routers (we use VRRP for
> redundancy from there).
>
> Thanks for participating guys.
>
> Scottie Arnett
>
>> We have a selection that maybe should be on your list: Hosting Center.
>>
>> We buy bandwidth and rent rooftop space for PTP/PtMP from two separate
>> Hosting companies in two separate valleys. We've tied them into our
>> rings of backhauls for complete redundancy.
>>
>> Hosting Centers are great because they typically host outgoing
>> bandwidth and are sitting on lots of unused incoming bandwidth (which
>> they have on commit CIR). So we buy under their own rate because
>> essentially we are using bandwidth they aren't using and can't sell
> anyways.
>>
>> And these guys are usually really easy to work with, have awesome
>> facilities for rack space cheap and have plenty of access to public IP
>> space on multiple providers in a blend for redundancy.
>>
>> They just give us a pair of redundant GigE copper hand-offs.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
>> Scottie Arnett
>> Sent

Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

[Mike]

Your three mile link is probably not being affected by CME.  The Canadians
have disaster recovery plans for such events.  Some of the largest grid
failures and satellite communication failures are caused by such phenomenon.
I'd worry more if I was one of the guys running 20 mile links for backhaul,
was responsible for rural overhead long haul lines, or pipelines.  However,
it is always best to be aware in case we do see some odd things which with
the diversity of this group are likely.  Northern latitudes could be
impacted more than southern.  If you live in a dark area, look for the
Aurora Borealis tonight.

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 
Mike Gilchrist
Disruptive Technologist
Advanced Wireless Express
P.O. Box 255
Toledo, IA   52342
239.770.6203
m...@aweiowa.com
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 4:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

Thanks Mike for posting this. It's probably easier to see my other
post than to readdress here but basically I'm seeing very bad latency
on one particular link. Not that 3 miles is long, as all my other
links are working well which includes several over 10 miles.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Mike  wrote:
> It is very likely all of us will see some strange things, especially on
long
> links.  I would suspect it would manifest itself in our business as
> unexplained fade and perhaps interference as other signals are bounced off
a
> charged ionosphere.  Then again, because of the focused radiation of
dishes
> and sectors, we may see no effect.  Rick, what are you seeing?
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Gilchrist
> Disruptive Technologist
> Advanced Wireless Express
> P.O. Box 255
> Toledo, IA   52342
> 239.770.6203
> m...@aweiowa.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 3:48 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection
>
> I thought so but had to ask. I've got some strange things going on so
> I'm wondering but hate to jump to conclusions.
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
>>
>
http://www.google.com/search?q=geomagnetic+storms+wireless&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
> &aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>> How does this apply to wireless?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike  wrote:
 04 AUG 2010 --> From    http://www.spaceweather.com

 "The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35%
 chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on August
 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert for
auroras."

 Friendly Regards,

 Mike






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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

[Jon Auer]

NOAA's Space Weather page has info on this and lets you subscribe to
email alerts on it: http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Mike  wrote:
> Your three mile link is probably not being affected by CME.  The Canadians
> have disaster recovery plans for such events.  Some of the largest grid
> failures and satellite communication failures are caused by such phenomenon.
> I'd worry more if I was one of the guys running 20 mile links for backhaul,
> was responsible for rural overhead long haul lines, or pipelines.  However,
> it is always best to be aware in case we do see some odd things which with
> the diversity of this group are likely.  Northern latitudes could be
> impacted more than southern.  If you live in a dark area, look for the
> Aurora Borealis tonight.
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Gilchrist
> Disruptive Technologist
> Advanced Wireless Express
> P.O. Box 255
> Toledo, IA   52342
> 239.770.6203
> m...@aweiowa.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 4:35 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection
>
> Thanks Mike for posting this. It's probably easier to see my other
> post than to readdress here but basically I'm seeing very bad latency
> on one particular link. Not that 3 miles is long, as all my other
> links are working well which includes several over 10 miles.
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Mike  wrote:
>> It is very likely all of us will see some strange things, especially on
> long
>> links.  I would suspect it would manifest itself in our business as
>> unexplained fade and perhaps interference as other signals are bounced off
> a
>> charged ionosphere.  Then again, because of the focused radiation of
> dishes
>> and sectors, we may see no effect.  Rick, what are you seeing?
>>
>> Friendly Regards,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Mike Gilchrist
>> Disruptive Technologist
>> Advanced Wireless Express
>> P.O. Box 255
>> Toledo, IA   52342
>> 239.770.6203
>> m...@aweiowa.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 3:48 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection
>>
>> I thought so but had to ask. I've got some strange things going on so
>> I'm wondering but hate to jump to conclusions.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=geomagnetic+storms+wireless&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
>> &aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, RickG  wrote:
 How does this apply to wireless?

 On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike  wrote:
> 04 AUG 2010 --> From    http://www.spaceweather.com
>
> "The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35%
> chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on August
> 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert for
> auroras."
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.

[Jon Auer]

We had the flip of that.
We purchase IP transit (bandwidth) on GigE from the local operating
company of a national cable operator.
They were supposed to give us IP space with the circuit but IP
allocations are handled by the national group and they refused on the
grounds that they don't sell to ISPs.
Good thing we have our own IP space.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:40 PM, RickG  wrote:
> My sales guy almost got fired over selling me fiber. His marketing
> group (regional) was fighting with the local group. In the end, the
> regional chief came to visit our NOC. He then ascertained that I was
> no threat to their target customers and that I can keep the
> connection.
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Robert West  
> wrote:
>> I have at least 4 business class connections as well as the fiber but just
>> make sure you have written permission from their sales department or at
>> least acknowledgement that you are in the business of reselling the access.
>> Any salesperson will give you that, they just want the sale.  It gets you
>> around their TOS.
>>
>> But keep in mind that it's not dedicated, it's already shared access so way
>> less customers per MB on it.  And your ping times suffer from the get go.
>>
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:17 PM
>> To: motor...@afmug.com
>> Cc: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
>>
>> Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea of how
>> many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to DSL/CABLE
>> connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale their business
>> class connections. My partner and I were discussing the pro's and con's of
>> using a Cable business class connection. Money wise, it's a no brainer. I
>> can get a 10 meg connection for around $100/mth and I am paying a little
>> over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at the moment. The problems I see is they
>> will only give you about 5 public IP's and what would happen if they get
>> blacklisted/blocked/etc... and how fast will outages be fixed.
>>
>> I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists that were
>> using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought this survey might
>> give an idea of the ratio that are using them.
>>
>> For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the first
>> option.
>>
>> Here are the results so far:
>>
>> 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of transporting
>> your users data to a medium that eventually connects to the nationwide
>> backbone.
>>
>> A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides T1(DS1) or
>> NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as AT&T, Qwest, Sprint,
>> etc... That provide you with at least a class C of public addresses or you
>> can use your own.
>>        82.4%   28
>> Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or
>> home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user account,
>> and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to you...(Ignoring usage
>> policies of your provider).
>>        2.9%    1
>> Other (please specify)
>>        14.7%   5
>> 1.      a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service such
>> as
>> (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant for
>> multi-residential use.
>> 2.      Two separate Hosting Centers
>> 3.      Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and
>> UUNET
>> 4.      we are our own provider with our own ip range
>> 5.      Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23
>>
>>
>> 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or dsl, or
>> other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to all or most of
>> your customers. What are your plans when your public IP's gets banned,
>> blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...?
>>
>> 1.      Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our
>> management
>> including CALEA
>> 2.      The two hosting centers are two different companies and each has
>> 3-10
>> first tier providers they 'blend' on BGP. We buy at around $12-$20 per Mbps.
>> We have our own ARIN Public IP's, but the providers handle BGP and we just
>> take two redundant GigE ethernets to their routers (we use VRRP for
>> redundancy from there).
>>
>> Thanks for participating guys.
>>
>> Scottie Arnett
>>
>>> We have a selection that maybe should be on your list: Hosting Center.
>>>
>>> We buy bandwidth and rent rooftop space for PTP/PtMP from two separate
>>> Hosting companies in two separate valleys. We've tied them into our
>>> rings of backhauls for complete redundancy.
>>>
>>> Hosting Centers are great because they typically host outgoing
>>> bandwidth and are sitting on lots of unused incoming bandwidth (which
>>> they have on commit CIR). So we buy under their

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.

[Faisal Imtiaz]

FWIW if you are in Charter Cable Territory. you might consider 
joining FISPA...for their program..

Charter is more than happy to sell (For re-sale or own use) Charter 
Cable Connections across the Charter Territories.
Along with Fiber & their new product "Ethernet over Coax". (virtual 
Ethernet connections ).

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&  Telecom

On 8/4/2010 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote:
> I have at least 4 business class connections as well as the fiber but just
> make sure you have written permission from their sales department or at
> least acknowledgement that you are in the business of reselling the access.
> Any salesperson will give you that, they just want the sale.  It gets you
> around their TOS.
>
> But keep in mind that it's not dedicated, it's already shared access so way
> less customers per MB on it.  And your ping times suffer from the get go.
>
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:17 PM
> To: motor...@afmug.com
> Cc: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
>
> Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea of how
> many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to DSL/CABLE
> connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale their business
> class connections. My partner and I were discussing the pro's and con's of
> using a Cable business class connection. Money wise, it's a no brainer. I
> can get a 10 meg connection for around $100/mth and I am paying a little
> over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at the moment. The problems I see is they
> will only give you about 5 public IP's and what would happen if they get
> blacklisted/blocked/etc... and how fast will outages be fixed.
>
> I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists that were
> using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought this survey might
> give an idea of the ratio that are using them.
>
> For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the first
> option.
>
> Here are the results so far:
>
> 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of transporting
> your users data to a medium that eventually connects to the nationwide
> backbone.
>
> A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides T1(DS1) or
> NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as AT&T, Qwest, Sprint,
> etc... That provide you with at least a class C of public addresses or you
> can use your own.
>   82.4%   28
> Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or
> home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user account,
> and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to you...(Ignoring usage
> policies of your provider).
>   2.9%1
> Other (please specify)
>   14.7%   5
> 1.a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service such
> as
> (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant for
> multi-residential use.
> 2.Two separate Hosting Centers
> 3.Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and
> UUNET
> 4.we are our own provider with our own ip range
> 5.Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23
>
>
> 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or dsl, or
> other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to all or most of
> your customers. What are your plans when your public IP's gets banned,
> blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...?
>
> 1.Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our
> management
> including CALEA
> 2.The two hosting centers are two different companies and each has
> 3-10
> first tier providers they 'blend' on BGP. We buy at around $12-$20 per Mbps.
> We have our own ARIN Public IP's, but the providers handle BGP and we just
> take two redundant GigE ethernets to their routers (we use VRRP for
> redundancy from there).
>
> Thanks for participating guys.
>
> Scottie Arnett
>
>
>> We have a selection that maybe should be on your list: Hosting Center.
>>
>> We buy bandwidth and rent rooftop space for PTP/PtMP from two separate
>> Hosting companies in two separate valleys. We've tied them into our
>> rings of backhauls for complete redundancy.
>>
>> Hosting Centers are great because they typically host outgoing
>> bandwidth and are sitting on lots of unused incoming bandwidth (which
>> they have on commit CIR). So we buy under their own rate because
>> essentially we are using bandwidth they aren't using and can't sell
>>  
> anyways.
>
>> And these guys are usually really easy to work with, have awesome
>> facilities for rack space cheap and have plenty of access to public IP
>> space on multiple providers in a blend for redundancy.
>>
>> They just give us a pair of redundant GigE copper hand-offs.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: motor.

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.

[Forbes Mercy]

How can I find out more about the Charter program?

Forbes

On 8/5/2010 2:58 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> FWIW if you are in Charter Cable Territory. you might consider
> joining FISPA...for their program..
>
> Charter is more than happy to sell (For re-sale or own use) Charter
> Cable Connections across the Charter Territories.
> Along with Fiber&  their new product "Ethernet over Coax". (virtual
> Ethernet connections ).
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&   Telecom
>
> On 8/4/2010 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote:
>
>> I have at least 4 business class connections as well as the fiber but just
>> make sure you have written permission from their sales department or at
>> least acknowledgement that you are in the business of reselling the access.
>> Any salesperson will give you that, they just want the sale.  It gets you
>> around their TOS.
>>
>> But keep in mind that it's not dedicated, it's already shared access so way
>> less customers per MB on it.  And your ping times suffer from the get go.
>>
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:17 PM
>> To: motor...@afmug.com
>> Cc: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
>>
>> Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea of how
>> many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to DSL/CABLE
>> connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale their business
>> class connections. My partner and I were discussing the pro's and con's of
>> using a Cable business class connection. Money wise, it's a no brainer. I
>> can get a 10 meg connection for around $100/mth and I am paying a little
>> over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at the moment. The problems I see is they
>> will only give you about 5 public IP's and what would happen if they get
>> blacklisted/blocked/etc... and how fast will outages be fixed.
>>
>> I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists that were
>> using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought this survey might
>> give an idea of the ratio that are using them.
>>
>> For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the first
>> option.
>>
>> Here are the results so far:
>>
>> 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of transporting
>> your users data to a medium that eventually connects to the nationwide
>> backbone.
>>
>> A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides T1(DS1) or
>> NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as AT&T, Qwest, Sprint,
>> etc... That provide you with at least a class C of public addresses or you
>> can use your own.
>>  82.4%   28
>> Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or
>> home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user account,
>> and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to you...(Ignoring usage
>> policies of your provider).
>>  2.9%1
>> Other (please specify)
>>  14.7%   5
>> 1.   a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service such
>> as
>> (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant for
>> multi-residential use.
>> 2.   Two separate Hosting Centers
>> 3.   Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and
>> UUNET
>> 4.   we are our own provider with our own ip range
>> 5.   Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23
>>
>>
>> 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or dsl, or
>> other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to all or most of
>> your customers. What are your plans when your public IP's gets banned,
>> blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...?
>>
>> 1.   Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our
>> management
>> including CALEA
>> 2.   The two hosting centers are two different companies and each has
>> 3-10
>> first tier providers they 'blend' on BGP. We buy at around $12-$20 per Mbps.
>> We have our own ARIN Public IP's, but the providers handle BGP and we just
>> take two redundant GigE ethernets to their routers (we use VRRP for
>> redundancy from there).
>>
>> Thanks for participating guys.
>>
>> Scottie Arnett
>>
>>
>>  
>>> We have a selection that maybe should be on your list: Hosting Center.
>>>
>>> We buy bandwidth and rent rooftop space for PTP/PtMP from two separate
>>> Hosting companies in two separate valleys. We've tied them into our
>>> rings of backhauls for complete redundancy.
>>>
>>> Hosting Centers are great because they typically host outgoing
>>> bandwidth and are sitting on lots of unused incoming bandwidth (which
>>> they have on commit CIR). So we buy under their own rate because
>>> essentially we are using bandwidth they aren't using and can't sell
>>>
>>>
>> anyways.
>>
>>  
>>> And these guys are usually really easy to work with, have awesome
>>> faciliti

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[KosiNet Wireless]

Rick,

I hate to ask what my be obvious Are you running through a switch? Could 
it be a negotiation issue?

But, with the signal degradation, it sounds more like an antenna or water 
issue.

-Gary-

- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: ; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance


Faisal, I was hoping you would reply! My answers inline below:

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> do the ususal stuff...
>
> Try changing channel ?

Yes. Tried all available channels.

> Try to shrink the channel to 10mhz or 5mhz

Yes. Results were just as bad if not worse.

>
> Any possibility of water in the cables  ?
or something phyiscally off
> with the coax jumpers ?

I tried multiple new cables. Plus, eliminated cables by using the 
Nanobridge.

>(AP side ?)
>
> Since you have done everything on the far side. how about looking at the
> AP Side

It's possible. Going there now. But, other link off sector is working
well albeit a bit degraded compared to what it was when originally
installed.

>
>
> Run ...Airview to see if there is interference that is not being picked
> up on site survey ?

Airview channel usage attached. I didnt realize you have to save each
scan separately. WIll get all results later.

>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet& Telecom
>
> On 8/5/2010 4:01 PM, RickG wrote:
>> Here is a good one!
>>
>> I have a short "link" of about 3 miles from my main tower to another.
>> On the main tower I have four UBNT 5G-20-90's with RockeyM5's running
>> firmware 5.2. All have performed very well since I installed them
>> earlier this year. On the other end at the problem tower I have a 26Db
>> grid with a BulletM5 also running fw5.2. The link was doing well until
>> two days ago. Then, the latency went through the roof. I assumed it
>> was the radio but after switching it out twice, I decided to blame the
>> antenna. So, I swapped out the grids multiple times. Then decided to
>> try a Nanostation, and a Nanobridge but got worse results. I'd blame
>> the sector on the main tower but another link on it remains working
>> well. There is a topology difference between the working link and the
>> poor link with the later being higher. There is some noise in the area
>> but not unusual. What I do note is that the main tower does not "see"
>> the far end very well (-78) and it should really be much higher. The
>> receive rate is only 6.5Mbps.
>>
>> At any rate, I've got about 3 dozen subs on this tower and worked on
>> it until 5am so I'm ready for some fresh input!
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>> -RickG
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[Mark Nash - Lists]

Did ack timing get off somehow?

- Original Message - 
From: "KosiNet Wireless" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance


> Rick,
>
> I hate to ask what my be obvious Are you running through a switch? 
> Could
> it be a negotiation issue?
>
> But, with the signal degradation, it sounds more like an antenna or water
> issue.
>
> -Gary-
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "RickG" 
> To: ; "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>
>
> Faisal, I was hoping you would reply! My answers inline below:
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
> wrote:
>> do the ususal stuff...
>>
>> Try changing channel ?
>
> Yes. Tried all available channels.
>
>> Try to shrink the channel to 10mhz or 5mhz
>
> Yes. Results were just as bad if not worse.
>
>>
>> Any possibility of water in the cables  ?
> or something phyiscally off
>> with the coax jumpers ?
>
> I tried multiple new cables. Plus, eliminated cables by using the
> Nanobridge.
>
>>(AP side ?)
>>
>> Since you have done everything on the far side. how about looking at the
>> AP Side
>
> It's possible. Going there now. But, other link off sector is working
> well albeit a bit degraded compared to what it was when originally
> installed.
>
>>
>>
>> Run ...Airview to see if there is interference that is not being picked
>> up on site survey ?
>
> Airview channel usage attached. I didnt realize you have to save each
> scan separately. WIll get all results later.
>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet& Telecom
>>
>> On 8/5/2010 4:01 PM, RickG wrote:
>>> Here is a good one!
>>>
>>> I have a short "link" of about 3 miles from my main tower to another.
>>> On the main tower I have four UBNT 5G-20-90's with RockeyM5's running
>>> firmware 5.2. All have performed very well since I installed them
>>> earlier this year. On the other end at the problem tower I have a 26Db
>>> grid with a BulletM5 also running fw5.2. The link was doing well until
>>> two days ago. Then, the latency went through the roof. I assumed it
>>> was the radio but after switching it out twice, I decided to blame the
>>> antenna. So, I swapped out the grids multiple times. Then decided to
>>> try a Nanostation, and a Nanobridge but got worse results. I'd blame
>>> the sector on the main tower but another link on it remains working
>>> well. There is a topology difference between the working link and the
>>> poor link with the later being higher. There is some noise in the area
>>> but not unusual. What I do note is that the main tower does not "see"
>>> the far end very well (-78) and it should really be much higher. The
>>> receive rate is only 6.5Mbps.
>>>
>>> At any rate, I've got about 3 dozen subs on this tower and worked on
>>> it until 5am so I'm ready for some fresh input!
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>> -RickG
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[RickG]

I thought of the switch so I connected my laptop directly. Same issue.
But, thanks for trying!

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:33 PM, KosiNet Wireless  wrote:
> Rick,
>
> I hate to ask what my be obvious Are you running through a switch? Could
> it be a negotiation issue?
>
> But, with the signal degradation, it sounds more like an antenna or water
> issue.
>
> -Gary-
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "RickG" 
> To: ; "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>
>
> Faisal, I was hoping you would reply! My answers inline below:
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
>> do the ususal stuff...
>>
>> Try changing channel ?
>
> Yes. Tried all available channels.
>
>> Try to shrink the channel to 10mhz or 5mhz
>
> Yes. Results were just as bad if not worse.
>
>>
>> Any possibility of water in the cables  ?
> or something phyiscally off
>> with the coax jumpers ?
>
> I tried multiple new cables. Plus, eliminated cables by using the
> Nanobridge.
>
>>(AP side ?)
>>
>> Since you have done everything on the far side. how about looking at the
>> AP Side
>
> It's possible. Going there now. But, other link off sector is working
> well albeit a bit degraded compared to what it was when originally
> installed.
>
>>
>>
>> Run ...Airview to see if there is interference that is not being picked
>> up on site survey ?
>
> Airview channel usage attached. I didnt realize you have to save each
> scan separately. WIll get all results later.
>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet& Telecom
>>
>> On 8/5/2010 4:01 PM, RickG wrote:
>>> Here is a good one!
>>>
>>> I have a short "link" of about 3 miles from my main tower to another.
>>> On the main tower I have four UBNT 5G-20-90's with RockeyM5's running
>>> firmware 5.2. All have performed very well since I installed them
>>> earlier this year. On the other end at the problem tower I have a 26Db
>>> grid with a BulletM5 also running fw5.2. The link was doing well until
>>> two days ago. Then, the latency went through the roof. I assumed it
>>> was the radio but after switching it out twice, I decided to blame the
>>> antenna. So, I swapped out the grids multiple times. Then decided to
>>> try a Nanostation, and a Nanobridge but got worse results. I'd blame
>>> the sector on the main tower but another link on it remains working
>>> well. There is a topology difference between the working link and the
>>> poor link with the later being higher. There is some noise in the area
>>> but not unusual. What I do note is that the main tower does not "see"
>>> the far end very well (-78) and it should really be much higher. The
>>> receive rate is only 6.5Mbps.
>>>
>>> At any rate, I've got about 3 dozen subs on this tower and worked on
>>> it until 5am so I'm ready for some fresh input!
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>> -RickG
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[Mike]

Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do you see any
loss?

There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular radio
scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?  

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[RickG]

I've tried manipulating it but no help either. I've been leaving the
AP on automatic and manually adjusting the far end.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Mark Nash - Lists  wrote:
> Did ack timing get off somehow?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "KosiNet Wireless" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 4:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>
>
>> Rick,
>>
>> I hate to ask what my be obvious Are you running through a switch?
>> Could
>> it be a negotiation issue?
>>
>> But, with the signal degradation, it sounds more like an antenna or water
>> issue.
>>
>> -Gary-
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "RickG" 
>> To: ; "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>>
>>
>> Faisal, I was hoping you would reply! My answers inline below:
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>> do the ususal stuff...
>>>
>>> Try changing channel ?
>>
>> Yes. Tried all available channels.
>>
>>> Try to shrink the channel to 10mhz or 5mhz
>>
>> Yes. Results were just as bad if not worse.
>>
>>>
>>> Any possibility of water in the cables  ?
>> or something phyiscally off
>>> with the coax jumpers ?
>>
>> I tried multiple new cables. Plus, eliminated cables by using the
>> Nanobridge.
>>
>>>(AP side ?)
>>>
>>> Since you have done everything on the far side. how about looking at the
>>> AP Side
>>
>> It's possible. Going there now. But, other link off sector is working
>> well albeit a bit degraded compared to what it was when originally
>> installed.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Run ...Airview to see if there is interference that is not being picked
>>> up on site survey ?
>>
>> Airview channel usage attached. I didnt realize you have to save each
>> scan separately. WIll get all results later.
>>
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet& Telecom
>>>
>>> On 8/5/2010 4:01 PM, RickG wrote:
 Here is a good one!

 I have a short "link" of about 3 miles from my main tower to another.
 On the main tower I have four UBNT 5G-20-90's with RockeyM5's running
 firmware 5.2. All have performed very well since I installed them
 earlier this year. On the other end at the problem tower I have a 26Db
 grid with a BulletM5 also running fw5.2. The link was doing well until
 two days ago. Then, the latency went through the roof. I assumed it
 was the radio but after switching it out twice, I decided to blame the
 antenna. So, I swapped out the grids multiple times. Then decided to
 try a Nanostation, and a Nanobridge but got worse results. I'd blame
 the sector on the main tower but another link on it remains working
 well. There is a topology difference between the working link and the
 poor link with the later being higher. There is some noise in the area
 but not unusual. What I do note is that the main tower does not "see"
 the far end very well (-78) and it should really be much higher. The
 receive rate is only 6.5Mbps.

 At any rate, I've got about 3 dozen subs on this tower and worked on
 it until 5am so I'm ready for some fresh input!

 Thanks in advance!
 -RickG


 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[RickG]

Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low
noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was
installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause
the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
> Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do you see any
> loss?
>
> There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular radio
> scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[Mike]

One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would tell you a lot.
You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB extension
cable.

If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping, and seeing
loss, I would suspect the CAT5?  Spare one up the tower?  Can you pull a new
one?  Did you recrimp the ends?
 

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Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low
noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was
installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause
the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
> Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do you see any
> loss?
>
> There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular
radio
> scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[RickG]

Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower. I have no
tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare" Ethernet cable
last night. No help.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike  wrote:
> One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would tell you a lot.
> You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB extension
> cable.
>
> If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping, and seeing
> loss, I would suspect the CAT5?  Spare one up the tower?  Can you pull a new
> one?  Did you recrimp the ends?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>
> Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low
> noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was
> installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause
> the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise.
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
>> Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do you see any
>> loss?
>>
>> There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular
> radio
>> scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?
>>
>> Friendly Regards,
>>
>> Mike
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[Faisal Imtiaz]

I also have never tried to connect a netbook to the rocket usb

hmmm what can u do with that ?

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On 8/5/2010 8:28 PM, RickG wrote:
> Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower. I have no
> tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare" Ethernet cable
> last night. No help.
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike  wrote:
>
>> One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would tell you a lot.
>> You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB extension
>> cable.
>>
>> If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping, and seeing
>> loss, I would suspect the CAT5?  Spare one up the tower?  Can you pull a new
>> one?  Did you recrimp the ends?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>>
>> Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low
>> noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was
>> installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause
>> the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
>>  
>>> Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do you see any
>>> loss?
>>>
>>> There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular
>>>
>> radio
>>  
>>> scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?
>>>
>>> Friendly Regards,
>>>
>>> Mike
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[Philip Dorr]

Nothing.  The USB port on the rocket is a USB host, not a USB device/client.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> I also have never tried to connect a netbook to the rocket usb
>
> hmmm what can u do with that ?
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, Fl 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
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> On 8/5/2010 8:28 PM, RickG wrote:
>> Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower. I have no
>> tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare" Ethernet cable
>> last night. No help.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike  wrote:
>>
>>> One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would tell you a lot.
>>> You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB extension
>>> cable.
>>>
>>> If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping, and seeing
>>> loss, I would suspect the CAT5?  Spare one up the tower?  Can you pull a new
>>> one?  Did you recrimp the ends?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of RickG
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>>>
>>> Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low
>>> noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was
>>> installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause
>>> the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
>>>
 Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do you see any
 loss?

 There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular

>>> radio
>>>
 scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?

 Friendly Regards,

 Mike








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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[Mike]

The USB extension would be for the WiSpy device you'd hook to the antenna.
That way you have plenty of cable and don't have to assume a difficult
position.  I have the 2.4G version of the WiSpy but not the 5.8.  It can
tell you a lot for a simple device.

Is there any sort of nearby transmitter where they might have turned up the
power?

Did someone deploy Canopy close to you?

I'd loan you my magic wand, but mine broke.
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower. I have no
tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare" Ethernet cable
last night. No help.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike  wrote:
> One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would tell you a
lot.
> You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB
extension
> cable.
>
> If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping, and seeing
> loss, I would suspect the CAT5?  Spare one up the tower?  Can you pull a
new
> one?  Did you recrimp the ends?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>
> Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low
> noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was
> installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause
> the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise.
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
>> Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do you see any
>> loss?
>>
>> There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular
> radio
>> scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?
>>
>> Friendly Regards,
>>
>> Mike
>>
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Re: [WISPA] FW: About to switch

[Robert West]

Me too.  But life is funny some times.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:04 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: About to switch

 

Dang it...was hoping to see you tazered off a pole and writhing shirtless on
the ground on the next episode of COPS. I guess I'll just have to wait for
the next time...or at lteast when you get drunk and decide to "make amends".

Cameron

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

Yeah.  So I raised hell and climbed the tree.  So finally, four days after
hobbling in  the new space, up shows 2 big ass trucks and TW installer boys.
(Not to be sexist.  Even TW warner knows that males are better at the
install.  Truth sucks, not my fault.)  Installer boys are actually customers
of ours bitching about the business class sales department.  Were jealous of
our new 3500 square foot digs.  (I'll be walking 15 miles a day just looking
for stuff)

In the end, the bonus!

Gave me two residential amps for our 1000 feet or video drops, a 1000 foot
reel of video coax for the rest of my coax cabling and a big old box of
compression fittings.

Also a strange look and a question of "What the hell is all that coax on the
ground?"

All good.  Salesman boy is history, though.  Will no longer deal with him.

Bob-






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Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 2:26 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: About to switch

Oh the joy of working with big companies with no inner-correspondence. I
wish it were the same everywhere. Unfortunately, the big company I compete
against has most of their $hit together.

Scottie

> At least you still have your "since" of humor.
>
> I think you should be proud of yourself for knowing how to make it
> work instead of just sitting there staring at it until someone else
> fixes it.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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>
> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Robert West
> 
> wrote:
>> Oh, I just have to share my Time Warner drama.  Moved the office,
>> gave them over 30 days' notice to move our copper and fiber but still
>> hasn't happened.  Imagine crawling under your neighbors deck at 7 AM
>> , dragging coax, just to connect into their coax drop with no
>> permission to do so just to get your phones and office internet to
>> work.
>>
>>
>>
>> The joy of being in business.
>>
>>
>>
>> At least I didn't get shot.
>>
>>
>>
>> Our salesman is "Quite Angry".  Right.
>>
>>
>>
>> Read below.
>>
>>
>>
>> Who Else-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Morris, John [mailto:john.morr...@twcable.com]
>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:37 PM
>> To: 'robert.w...@just-micro.com'
>> Subject: Re: About to switch
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't know how you keep your since of humor after all this. I am
>> quite angry that this happened to one of my customers, especially a
>> good customer such as yourself. Try and have a good evening as well.
>> --
>> Sent using BlackBerry
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> From: Robert West 
>> To: Morris, John
>> Sent: Mon Aug 02 21:20:55 2010
>> Subject: RE: About to switch
>>
>> Yes but over a month just to get an installer to show up for no more
>> than half an hour is crazy.  We went live today and if I hadn't of
>> taken care of it myself we would have been dead in the water.  With
>> the economy the way it is, we can 't take the risk of even one day
>> with no one answering the phones.
>>
>>
>>
>> Think about it.  Moving a business from a location where people are
>> used to seeing you for over 7 years (We've been in business for 11
>> years) and then no answer on the phone?  Makes it look like we closed
>> for good and THAT'S the unacceptable thing.  A sense of urgency and
>> continuity.  I really don't see that with our vendors, not just you.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm already stressed.  When we moved to our old location 7 years ago
>> it went smooth.  This could have been a mess for the average business
>> owner and a sure ending of their business.  We're just lucky that
>> we'll risk breaking the law to make sure all systems are functional.
>>
>>
>>
>> We shouldn't have to dig out used coax and connectors, crawl under a
>> neighbors deck and connect into their TW drop without asking at seven
>> in the morning..
>>
>>
>>
>> It's not a personal thing, it's about survival.  That's what has made
>> us winners and I'll continue being outside that box regardless of the
cost.
>> Certainly there is a process over at TW that gets the install done
>> and over.  Just push that panic button and it's all good.  To be
>> contacted to "schedule" an install after 30 days is insulting.  We
>> just aren't that important.  That's the way it looks.
>>
>>
>>
>> I really shouldn't have to deal with it any more than I ha

Re: [WISPA] Multiple sectors, one frequency?

[Robert West]

You Betcha!

Sarah-


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Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple sectors, one frequency?

At 8/5/2010 01:01 AM, Robert West wrote:
>Yeah, the R52Hn does but the sensitivity sucks compared to the UBNT radio.
>I use the MT cards only for close range  now, seemed great at first but 
>I was having g issues after a while.  My MT boards with UBNT cards, 
>however, run seemingly forever with no issues.  I have 2 433 boards 
>with XR2 cards that haven't rebooted for over a YEAR!

I wish these guys would cooperate more on drivers.  I have a site (the
injection point) where I really want to blast a couple of 80 Mbps links out
of a Routerboard 800, so it has to be MIMO.  The R52Hn boards have roughly
the same sensitivity specs "on paper" (on PDF?) as the UBNT SR71-15s, and
are supported in RouterOS, but I am *not* surprised that a pricier UBNT
board, with more shielding and heat sinks, and perhaps a better front-end
transistor under that shield, works better in practice.  The money is all in
the noise for this application (backhaul), but the SR71 family doesn't seem
to fully work in RouterOS.  Grumble grumble...

>But back to the issue, if you MUST run the same frequency, you MUST 
>wrap your sectors in some shielding in order to isolate the RF from the 
>other radios.
>
>A guy in the UBNT forums has such a thing.  rfar...@hydrosoft.net  
>Shoot him an email.  He says it makes the other sectors invisible.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised... it's plastic!  A little metal goes a
long way.



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>Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
>Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:06 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple sectors, one frequency?
>
>At 8/4/2010 11:50 PM, Robert West wrote:
> >A mess.  Just run Air View and it will answer your question.  As long
> >as one radio can see one of the other radios, it's messed up to no end.
> >I have seen, however, some pretty nice but large shields that will
> >isolate the sectors but in the end, just change the freakin' channels,
>already!
> >
>
>The radios aren't up yet.  I'm laying out the links map to create the BoM
>for each of the nodes.  Since it requires multiple hops of radio for
>backhaul, in a meshy configuration, some poles need 6 radios.  Not a lot of
>channel space... especially when you have to coordinate with the three to 8
>other nodes you've got adjacency to.  (Okay, to do more than 3, one of the
>radios is a PtMP shared backhaul link.  Darned 36 dBi EIRP limit... the PtP
>end of the link needs lots of antenna gain when it's 15 miles away!)
>
>The R52Hn does narrow channels too, doesn't it?  I'm not sure that the
>SR71-15 works too well in RouterOS.
>
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 3:32 PM
> >To: WISPA General List
> >Subject: [WISPA] Multiple sectors, one frequency?
> >
> >If I have a site with, say, Ubiquiti Rocket M5 radios plugged into
> >120 degree sector antennas, with Airmax (TDMA) turned on, do they have to
>be
> >on separate frequencies, or can they coexist on one?  The
> >5.8 GHz band is kind of crowded to be having three access frequencies
plus
> >two or more backhaul frequencies... thanks.
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

[Robert West]

Dear Google,

Please do not destroy the internet.

Bob-


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Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:45 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/google-verizon-deal-the-e_b_67
1617.html

They are closing a deal with Verizon on Monday that will essentially
blackmail content providers. "Want your content to get through faster?
Pay us." That is pretty much it in a nutshell. Maybe ISPs around the world
should block Google entirely unless they pay you then.

Patrick
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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

[Robert West]

It does.


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Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 3:23 PM
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How does this apply to wireless?

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike  wrote:
> 04 AUG 2010 --> From    http://www.spaceweather.com
>
> "The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35% 
> chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on August 
> 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert for auroras."
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
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Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower

[Robert West]

Rickesha?  Is that you?

You never call me anymore.

Bob-


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 4:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower

Contracts are NOT something to be taken lightly. As tempting as it is to do
it without a lawyer, it's not worth it! You only get one shot and after that
you gotta live with it. I've passed out contracts that were written by a
lawyer in past years but found issues with them myself. They really need to
be specific to your needs. So, I had "Larry the Lawyer" draw up a basic
contract for my needs. His rates are reasonable, and he was a WISP so he
knows our business!

Larry Yunker
Barkan & Robon, Ltd.
1701 Woodlands Dr. Suite 100
Maumee, OH  43537
(419) 897-6500


On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Robert West 
wrote:
> Liam is a REALLY good guy.  I’ve been taking time to mentor him and he 
> finally made his first backhaul link.  WAY TO GO LIAM!  Met him at his 
> first grain leg, climbed it a few times, instructed him.  Dropped a rope
for him.
> He’s a quick learner and is really dedicated to getting this done RIGHT!
>   (And he calls me ten times a day!  Tis okay….)
>
>
>
> Even made his own, Bob Designed “Big-Ass-Box” for his equipment 
> install at the leg.
>
>
>
> Any help you guys can give to Liam is appreciated by me as well.  He 
> really deserves it.  Even though he is AFRAID of HEIGHTS!
>
>
>
> Sorry dude, I know you gave me 20 bucks not to tell anyone but it was 
> just too sweet.  J
>
>
>
> I’ll give the 20 bucks back next time we hook up, dude.  My bad.
>
>
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Liam Cummings
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 8:18 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower
>
>
>
> This is the only reply I got on this.  I guess I have no takers. L
>
>
>
> I can become a member today but I highly doubt the sample contracts 
> will be what I am looking for.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Liam
>
>
>
> 
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch
> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:47 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower
>
>
>
> If you're a WISPA member, I think the wiki has a number of sample
contracts.
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:50 AM, "Liam Cummings"
>  wrote:
>
> I’m looking for a good contract to use for exclusive use of someone’s
tower.
> Anyone want to share what they have with us? Would save me tons of 
> time. J
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> TX
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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

[Robert West]

I saw some odd things.  My brother in lay wearing a dress.  But that's over
now and not caused by the injection.

Me-



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:51 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

Your three mile link is probably not being affected by CME.  The Canadians
have disaster recovery plans for such events.  Some of the largest grid
failures and satellite communication failures are caused by such phenomenon.
I'd worry more if I was one of the guys running 20 mile links for backhaul,
was responsible for rural overhead long haul lines, or pipelines.  However,
it is always best to be aware in case we do see some odd things which with
the diversity of this group are likely.  Northern latitudes could be
impacted more than southern.  If you live in a dark area, look for the
Aurora Borealis tonight.

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 
Mike Gilchrist
Disruptive Technologist
Advanced Wireless Express
P.O. Box 255
Toledo, IA   52342
239.770.6203
m...@aweiowa.com
 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 4:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

Thanks Mike for posting this. It's probably easier to see my other post than
to readdress here but basically I'm seeing very bad latency on one
particular link. Not that 3 miles is long, as all my other links are working
well which includes several over 10 miles.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Mike  wrote:
> It is very likely all of us will see some strange things, especially 
> on
long
> links.  I would suspect it would manifest itself in our business as 
> unexplained fade and perhaps interference as other signals are bounced 
> off
a
> charged ionosphere.  Then again, because of the focused radiation of
dishes
> and sectors, we may see no effect.  Rick, what are you seeing?
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Gilchrist
> Disruptive Technologist
> Advanced Wireless Express
> P.O. Box 255
> Toledo, IA   52342
> 239.770.6203
> m...@aweiowa.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 3:48 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection
>
> I thought so but had to ask. I've got some strange things going on so 
> I'm wondering but hate to jump to conclusions.
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman 
>  wrote:
>>
>
http://www.google.com/search?q=geomagnetic+storms+wireless&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
> &aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>> How does this apply to wireless?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike  wrote:
 04 AUG 2010 --> From    http://www.spaceweather.com

 "The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35% 
 chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on August 
 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert for
auroras."

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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

[Robert West]

My latency went from 10 to 57.  I'm in tears.  Really, just In tears!

But it could be because the wife is forcing me to watch the Lifetime Movie
Network.

I think it's the latter.

Yes, it is indeed the latter.

Bob-


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Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

Thanks Mike for posting this. It's probably easier to see my other post than
to readdress here but basically I'm seeing very bad latency on one
particular link. Not that 3 miles is long, as all my other links are working
well which includes several over 10 miles.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Mike  wrote:
> It is very likely all of us will see some strange things, especially 
> on long links.  I would suspect it would manifest itself in our 
> business as unexplained fade and perhaps interference as other signals 
> are bounced off a charged ionosphere.  Then again, because of the 
> focused radiation of dishes and sectors, we may see no effect.  Rick, what
are you seeing?
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Gilchrist
> Disruptive Technologist
> Advanced Wireless Express
> P.O. Box 255
> Toledo, IA   52342
> 239.770.6203
> m...@aweiowa.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 3:48 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection
>
> I thought so but had to ask. I've got some strange things going on so 
> I'm wondering but hate to jump to conclusions.
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman 
>  wrote:
>>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=geomagnetic+storms+wireless&ie=utf-8&oe
> =utf-8 &aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>> How does this apply to wireless?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike  wrote:
 04 AUG 2010 --> From    http://www.spaceweather.com

 "The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35% 
 chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on August 
 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert for
auroras."

 Friendly Regards,

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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.

[Robert West]

I have zero issues with Time Warner in  respect with reselling.  I REFUSE to
resell in an area where they or DSL are available because if someone in
that area wants our service because the issue is they  have been SHUTOFF by
another service provider for NON-PAYMENT!  You fail, sorry,  No service.

I stick with that policy like concrete.

Bob-



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.

FWIW if you are in Charter Cable Territory. you might consider
joining FISPA...for their program..

Charter is more than happy to sell (For re-sale or own use) Charter Cable
Connections across the Charter Territories.
Along with Fiber & their new product "Ethernet over Coax". (virtual
Ethernet connections ).

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&  Telecom

On 8/4/2010 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote:
> I have at least 4 business class connections as well as the fiber but 
> just make sure you have written permission from their sales department 
> or at least acknowledgement that you are in the business of reselling the
access.
> Any salesperson will give you that, they just want the sale.  It gets 
> you around their TOS.
>
> But keep in mind that it's not dedicated, it's already shared access 
> so way less customers per MB on it.  And your ping times suffer from the
get go.
>
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:17 PM
> To: motor...@afmug.com
> Cc: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
>
> Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea 
> of how many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to 
> DSL/CABLE connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale 
> their business class connections. My partner and I were discussing the 
> pro's and con's of using a Cable business class connection. Money 
> wise, it's a no brainer. I can get a 10 meg connection for around 
> $100/mth and I am paying a little over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at 
> the moment. The problems I see is they will only give you about 5 
> public IP's and what would happen if they get blacklisted/blocked/etc...
and how fast will outages be fixed.
>
> I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists that 
> were using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought this 
> survey might give an idea of the ratio that are using them.
>
> For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the 
> first option.
>
> Here are the results so far:
>
> 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of 
> transporting your users data to a medium that eventually connects to 
> the nationwide backbone.
>
> A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides T1(DS1) 
> or NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as AT&T, 
> Qwest, Sprint, etc... That provide you with at least a class C of 
> public addresses or you can use your own.
>   82.4%   28
> Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or
> home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user 
> account, and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to 
> you...(Ignoring usage policies of your provider).
>   2.9%1
> Other (please specify)
>   14.7%   5
> 1.a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service such
> as
> (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant for 
> multi-residential use.
> 2.Two separate Hosting Centers
> 3.Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and
> UUNET
> 4.we are our own provider with our own ip range
> 5.Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23
>
>
> 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or dsl, 
> or other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to all or 
> most of your customers. What are your plans when your public IP's gets 
> banned, blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...?
>
> 1.Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our
> management
> including CALEA
> 2.The two hosting centers are two different companies and each has
> 3-10
> first tier providers they 'blend' on BGP. We buy at around $12-$20 per
Mbps.
> We have our own ARIN Public IP's, but the providers handle BGP and we 
> just take two redundant GigE ethernets to their routers (we use VRRP 
> for redundancy from there).
>
> Thanks for participating guys.
>
> Scottie Arnett
>
>
>> We have a selection that maybe should be on your list: Hosting Center.
>>
>> We buy bandwidth and rent rooftop space for PTP/PtMP from two 
>> separate Hosting companies in two separate valleys. We've tied them 
>> into our rings of backhauls for complete redundancy.
>>
>> 

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[Robert West]

Sorry.  My bad.  Son needed better speed for the Mario cart  (BOGUS)   so I
cranked up the power over FCC limits in  his room.  Fixed now.

Sorry, Rickesha.

Bob-





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Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 8:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower. I have no tried
a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare" Ethernet cable last night.
No help.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike  wrote:
> One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would tell you a
lot.
> You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB 
> extension cable.
>
> If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping, and 
> seeing loss, I would suspect the CAT5?  Spare one up the tower?  Can 
> you pull a new one?  Did you recrimp the ends?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>
> Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low 
> noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was 
> installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause 
> the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise.
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
>> Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do you see 
>> any loss?
>>
>> There might be an interference source that cropped up that the 
>> regular
> radio
>> scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?
>>
>> Friendly Regards,
>>
>> Mike
>>
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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.

[Josh Luthman]

Concrete doesn't stick...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Robert West  wrote:
> I have zero issues with Time Warner in  respect with reselling.  I REFUSE to
> resell in an area where they or DSL are available because if someone in
> that area wants our service because the issue is they  have been SHUTOFF by
> another service provider for NON-PAYMENT!  You fail, sorry,  No service.
>
> I stick with that policy like concrete.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:58 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
>
> FWIW if you are in Charter Cable Territory. you might consider
> joining FISPA...for their program..
>
> Charter is more than happy to sell (For re-sale or own use) Charter Cable
> Connections across the Charter Territories.
> Along with Fiber & their new product "Ethernet over Coax". (virtual
> Ethernet connections ).
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>
> On 8/4/2010 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote:
>> I have at least 4 business class connections as well as the fiber but
>> just make sure you have written permission from their sales department
>> or at least acknowledgement that you are in the business of reselling the
> access.
>> Any salesperson will give you that, they just want the sale.  It gets
>> you around their TOS.
>>
>> But keep in mind that it's not dedicated, it's already shared access
>> so way less customers per MB on it.  And your ping times suffer from the
> get go.
>>
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:17 PM
>> To: motor...@afmug.com
>> Cc: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
>>
>> Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea
>> of how many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to
>> DSL/CABLE connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale
>> their business class connections. My partner and I were discussing the
>> pro's and con's of using a Cable business class connection. Money
>> wise, it's a no brainer. I can get a 10 meg connection for around
>> $100/mth and I am paying a little over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at
>> the moment. The problems I see is they will only give you about 5
>> public IP's and what would happen if they get blacklisted/blocked/etc...
> and how fast will outages be fixed.
>>
>> I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists that
>> were using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought this
>> survey might give an idea of the ratio that are using them.
>>
>> For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the
>> first option.
>>
>> Here are the results so far:
>>
>> 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of
>> transporting your users data to a medium that eventually connects to
>> the nationwide backbone.
>>
>> A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides T1(DS1)
>> or NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as AT&T,
>> Qwest, Sprint, etc... That provide you with at least a class C of
>> public addresses or you can use your own.
>>       82.4%   28
>> Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or
>> home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user
>> account, and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to
>> you...(Ignoring usage policies of your provider).
>>       2.9%    1
>> Other (please specify)
>>       14.7%   5
>> 1.    a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service such
>> as
>> (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant for
>> multi-residential use.
>> 2.    Two separate Hosting Centers
>> 3.    Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and
>> UUNET
>> 4.    we are our own provider with our own ip range
>> 5.    Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23
>>
>>
>> 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or dsl,
>> or other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to all or
>> most of your customers. What are your plans when your public IP's gets
>> banned, blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...?
>>
>> 1.    Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our
>> management
>> including CALEA
>> 2.    The two hosting centers are two different companies and each has
>> 3-10
>> first tier providers they 'blend' on BGP. We buy at around $12-$20 per
> Mbps.
>> We have our own ARIN Public IP's, but the providers handle BGP and we
>> just take two redundant GigE ethernets to their routers (we use VRRP
>> for redundancy from there).
>>
>> Thanks for participating guys.
>>
>> Scottie

Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

[Robert West]

Okay.  We're sorry.

Google-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:18 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

Dear Google,

Please do not destroy the internet.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/google-verizon-deal-the-e_b_67
1617.html

They are closing a deal with Verizon on Monday that will essentially
blackmail content providers. "Want your content to get through faster?
Pay us." That is pretty much it in a nutshell. Maybe ISPs around the world
should block Google entirely unless they pay you then.

Patrick
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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.

[Robert West]

Okay, Drywall Compound.  That stuff sticks to ANYTHING!


Well, except to water.  Which in the big scheme of things is pretty lame.

Albert-



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.

Concrete doesn't stick...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Robert West 
wrote:
> I have zero issues with Time Warner in  respect with reselling.  I 
> REFUSE to resell in an area where they or DSL are available because if 
> someone in that area wants our service because the issue is they  have 
> been SHUTOFF by another service provider for NON-PAYMENT!  You fail,
sorry,  No service.
>
> I stick with that policy like concrete.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:58 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
>
> FWIW if you are in Charter Cable Territory. you might consider 
> joining FISPA...for their program..
>
> Charter is more than happy to sell (For re-sale or own use) Charter 
> Cable Connections across the Charter Territories.
> Along with Fiber & their new product "Ethernet over Coax". 
> (virtual Ethernet connections ).
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>
> On 8/4/2010 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote:
>> I have at least 4 business class connections as well as the fiber but 
>> just make sure you have written permission from their sales 
>> department or at least acknowledgement that you are in the business 
>> of reselling the
> access.
>> Any salesperson will give you that, they just want the sale.  It gets 
>> you around their TOS.
>>
>> But keep in mind that it's not dedicated, it's already shared access 
>> so way less customers per MB on it.  And your ping times suffer from 
>> the
> get go.
>>
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:17 PM
>> To: motor...@afmug.com
>> Cc: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
>>
>> Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea 
>> of how many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to 
>> DSL/CABLE connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale 
>> their business class connections. My partner and I were discussing 
>> the pro's and con's of using a Cable business class connection. Money 
>> wise, it's a no brainer. I can get a 10 meg connection for around 
>> $100/mth and I am paying a little over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at 
>> the moment. The problems I see is they will only give you about 5 
>> public IP's and what would happen if they get blacklisted/blocked/etc...
> and how fast will outages be fixed.
>>
>> I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists 
>> that were using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought 
>> this survey might give an idea of the ratio that are using them.
>>
>> For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the 
>> first option.
>>
>> Here are the results so far:
>>
>> 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of 
>> transporting your users data to a medium that eventually connects to 
>> the nationwide backbone.
>>
>> A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides 
>> T1(DS1) or NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as 
>> AT&T, Qwest, Sprint, etc... That provide you with at least a class C 
>> of public addresses or you can use your own.
>>       82.4%   28
>> Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or
>> home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user 
>> account, and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to 
>> you...(Ignoring usage policies of your provider).
>>       2.9%    1
>> Other (please specify)
>>       14.7%   5
>> 1.    a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service 
>> such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant 
>> for multi-residential use.
>> 2.    Two separate Hosting Centers
>> 3.    Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and 
>> UUNET 4.    we are our own provider with our own ip range 5.    
>> Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23
>>
>>
>> 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or 
>> dsl, or other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to 
>> all or most of your customers. What are your plans when your public 
>> IP's gets banned, blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...?
>>
>> 1.    Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our 
>>

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.

[Robert West]

Stop watching Star Trek TNG and do something.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.

Concrete doesn't stick...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Robert West 
wrote:
> I have zero issues with Time Warner in  respect with reselling.  I 
> REFUSE to resell in an area where they or DSL are available because if 
> someone in that area wants our service because the issue is they  have 
> been SHUTOFF by another service provider for NON-PAYMENT!  You fail,
sorry,  No service.
>
> I stick with that policy like concrete.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:58 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
>
> FWIW if you are in Charter Cable Territory. you might consider 
> joining FISPA...for their program..
>
> Charter is more than happy to sell (For re-sale or own use) Charter 
> Cable Connections across the Charter Territories.
> Along with Fiber & their new product "Ethernet over Coax". 
> (virtual Ethernet connections ).
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>
> On 8/4/2010 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote:
>> I have at least 4 business class connections as well as the fiber but 
>> just make sure you have written permission from their sales 
>> department or at least acknowledgement that you are in the business 
>> of reselling the
> access.
>> Any salesperson will give you that, they just want the sale.  It gets 
>> you around their TOS.
>>
>> But keep in mind that it's not dedicated, it's already shared access 
>> so way less customers per MB on it.  And your ping times suffer from 
>> the
> get go.
>>
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:17 PM
>> To: motor...@afmug.com
>> Cc: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
>>
>> Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea 
>> of how many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to 
>> DSL/CABLE connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale 
>> their business class connections. My partner and I were discussing 
>> the pro's and con's of using a Cable business class connection. Money 
>> wise, it's a no brainer. I can get a 10 meg connection for around 
>> $100/mth and I am paying a little over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at 
>> the moment. The problems I see is they will only give you about 5 
>> public IP's and what would happen if they get blacklisted/blocked/etc...
> and how fast will outages be fixed.
>>
>> I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists 
>> that were using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought 
>> this survey might give an idea of the ratio that are using them.
>>
>> For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the 
>> first option.
>>
>> Here are the results so far:
>>
>> 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of 
>> transporting your users data to a medium that eventually connects to 
>> the nationwide backbone.
>>
>> A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides 
>> T1(DS1) or NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as 
>> AT&T, Qwest, Sprint, etc... That provide you with at least a class C 
>> of public addresses or you can use your own.
>>       82.4%   28
>> Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or
>> home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user 
>> account, and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to 
>> you...(Ignoring usage policies of your provider).
>>       2.9%    1
>> Other (please specify)
>>       14.7%   5
>> 1.    a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service 
>> such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant 
>> for multi-residential use.
>> 2.    Two separate Hosting Centers
>> 3.    Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and 
>> UUNET 4.    we are our own provider with our own ip range 5.    
>> Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23
>>
>>
>> 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or 
>> dsl, or other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to 
>> all or most of your customers. What are your plans when your public 
>> IP's gets banned, blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...?
>>
>> 1.    Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our 
>> management including CALEA 2.    The two hosting centers are two 
>> different companies and e

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.

[Josh Luthman]

I have never seen Star Trek.

On Aug 6, 2010 1:53 AM, "Robert West"  wrote:

Stop watching Star Trek TNG and do something.




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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:41 AM

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.

Concrete doesn't stick...



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Re: [WISPA] Multiple sectors, one frequency?

[Robert West]

SR71 needs to die.  The other UBNT cards ROCK and blow those MT cards away.
Sorry MT.  I spent much cash or moolah, (Depends on your choice of
vernacular)  on your cards  They have all ended up in tech laptops or
installed as wireless tech access points.  No more MT cards as AP or CPE's.


Slavinski-

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple sectors, one frequency?

At 8/5/2010 01:01 AM, Robert West wrote:
>Yeah, the R52Hn does but the sensitivity sucks compared to the UBNT radio.
>I use the MT cards only for close range  now, seemed great at first but 
>I was having g issues after a while.  My MT boards with UBNT cards, 
>however, run seemingly forever with no issues.  I have 2 433 boards 
>with XR2 cards that haven't rebooted for over a YEAR!

I wish these guys would cooperate more on drivers.  I have a site (the
injection point) where I really want to blast a couple of 80 Mbps links out
of a Routerboard 800, so it has to be MIMO.  The R52Hn boards have roughly
the same sensitivity specs "on paper" (on PDF?) as the UBNT SR71-15s, and
are supported in RouterOS, but I am *not* surprised that a pricier UBNT
board, with more shielding and heat sinks, and perhaps a better front-end
transistor under that shield, works better in practice.  The money is all in
the noise for this application (backhaul), but the SR71 family doesn't seem
to fully work in RouterOS.  Grumble grumble...

>But back to the issue, if you MUST run the same frequency, you MUST 
>wrap your sectors in some shielding in order to isolate the RF from the 
>other radios.
>
>A guy in the UBNT forums has such a thing.  rfar...@hydrosoft.net  
>Shoot him an email.  He says it makes the other sectors invisible.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised... it's plastic!  A little metal goes a
long way.



>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
>Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:06 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple sectors, one frequency?
>
>At 8/4/2010 11:50 PM, Robert West wrote:
> >A mess.  Just run Air View and it will answer your question.  As long
> >as one radio can see one of the other radios, it's messed up to no end.
> >I have seen, however, some pretty nice but large shields that will
> >isolate the sectors but in the end, just change the freakin' channels,
>already!
> >
>
>The radios aren't up yet.  I'm laying out the links map to create the BoM
>for each of the nodes.  Since it requires multiple hops of radio for
>backhaul, in a meshy configuration, some poles need 6 radios.  Not a lot of
>channel space... especially when you have to coordinate with the three to 8
>other nodes you've got adjacency to.  (Okay, to do more than 3, one of the
>radios is a PtMP shared backhaul link.  Darned 36 dBi EIRP limit... the PtP
>end of the link needs lots of antenna gain when it's 15 miles away!)
>
>The R52Hn does narrow channels too, doesn't it?  I'm not sure that the
>SR71-15 works too well in RouterOS.
>
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 3:32 PM
> >To: WISPA General List
> >Subject: [WISPA] Multiple sectors, one frequency?
> >
> >If I have a site with, say, Ubiquiti Rocket M5 radios plugged into
> >120 degree sector antennas, with Airmax (TDMA) turned on, do they have to
>be
> >on separate frequencies, or can they coexist on one?  The
> >5.8 GHz band is kind of crowded to be having three access frequencies
plus
> >two or more backhaul frequencies... thanks.
> >
> >   --
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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.

[Robert West]

You have been much sheltered.  I weep for the.

 

But in hindsight, not seeing Star Trek is a positive thing.

 

Your Master.

 

Yoshi-

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:55 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.

 

I have never seen Star Trek.

On Aug 6, 2010 1:53 AM, "Robert West"  wrote:

Stop watching Star Trek TNG and do something.




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Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:41 AM

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Concrete doesn't stick...




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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.

[Robert West]

I also suspect that thee is lying.

 

Please excuse thee to the bathroom where you may put out your pants which
may be on fire.

 

Your guardian angel-

 

 

 

 

 

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I have never seen Star Trek.

On Aug 6, 2010 1:53 AM, "Robert West"  wrote:

Stop watching Star Trek TNG and do something.




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Concrete doesn't stick...




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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.

[Josh Luthman]

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On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Robert West  wrote:
> I also suspect that thee is lying.
>
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> Please excuse thee to the bathroom where you may put out your pants which
> may be on fire.
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> Your guardian angel-
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> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:55 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
>
>
>
> I have never seen Star Trek.
>
> On Aug 6, 2010 1:53 AM, "Robert West"  wrote:
>
> Stop watching Star Trek TNG and do something.
>
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> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
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> Concrete doesn't stick...
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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.

[Robert West]

I thought as much.  

Always in denial.  An adjustment of your medication may be in order.  I will
discuss this with your Psychoanalyst in the morning.



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http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=1689537

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On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Robert West 
wrote:
> I also suspect that thee is lying.
>
>
>
> Please excuse thee to the bathroom where you may put out your pants 
> which may be on fire.
>
>
>
> Your guardian angel-
>
>
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>
>
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>
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> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:55 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
>
>
>
> I have never seen Star Trek.
>
> On Aug 6, 2010 1:53 AM, "Robert West"  wrote:
>
> Stop watching Star Trek TNG and do something.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] O...
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> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

[MDK]

I've got a number of links and customers and whatnot, in the LONG category, 
many past 20 miles.lots of backhauls over 10 miles.

So far, haven't seen anything I recognize as something unusual.



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From: "RickG" 
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:47 PM
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> I thought so but had to ask. I've got some strange things going on so
> I'm wondering but hate to jump to conclusions.
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=geomagnetic+storms+wireless&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>> How does this apply to wireless?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike  wrote:
 04 AUG 2010 --> Fromhttp://www.spaceweather.com

 "The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35%
 chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on August
 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert for 
 auroras."

 Friendly Regards,

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[MDK]

I've had several UBNT devices lose output power suddenly. Then one side 
of the link is about 18-20 db lower than the other, and the throughput goes 
away, badly.

Do you have a large RXSL differences between sides on any link?

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Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

> Here is a good one!
>
> I have a short "link" of about 3 miles from my main tower to another.
> On the main tower I have four UBNT 5G-20-90's with RockeyM5's running
> firmware 5.2. All have performed very well since I installed them
> earlier this year. On the other end at the problem tower I have a 26Db
> grid with a BulletM5 also running fw5.2. The link was doing well until
> two days ago. Then, the latency went through the roof. I assumed it
> was the radio but after switching it out twice, I decided to blame the
> antenna. So, I swapped out the grids multiple times. Then decided to
> try a Nanostation, and a Nanobridge but got worse results. I'd blame
> the sector on the main tower but another link on it remains working
> well. There is a topology difference between the working link and the
> poor link with the later being higher. There is some noise in the area
> but not unusual. What I do note is that the main tower does not "see"
> the far end very well (-78) and it should really be much higher. The
> receive rate is only 6.5Mbps.
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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

[Philip Dorr]

I think I read that the solar flare would only be around 30 microwatts
per square meter once it reached earth.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:45 AM, MDK  wrote:
> I've got a number of links and customers and whatnot, in the LONG category,
> many past 20 miles.    lots of backhauls over 10 miles.
>
> So far, haven't seen anything I recognize as something unusual.
>
>
>
> ++
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> From: "RickG" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:47 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection
>
>> I thought so but had to ask. I've got some strange things going on so
>> I'm wondering but hate to jump to conclusions.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=geomagnetic+storms+wireless&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, RickG  wrote:
 How does this apply to wireless?

 On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike  wrote:
> 04 AUG 2010 --> From    http://www.spaceweather.com
>
> "The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35%
> chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on August
> 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert for
> auroras."
>
> Friendly Regards,
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> Mike
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