Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome
I've used spray paint on radomes for licensed links before and Canopy AP's, no problem. Paint will only negatively affect the signal if it has metal in it Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:42 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Painting Radome UBNT says it's cool to use the same paint for plastic on their sector radome. Like the Krylon plastic paint? Anyone go this route and has it affected your signal? I can find radome paint on the net but if the Krylon for Plastic from Ace Hardware works the same, would save me some time and cash. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Bret, If you follow the thread, the corvette was the $89 Ubiquity AP and the Porsche is the $3,500 WiMAX AP. Someone else made the reference, not me. Anyways, the argument is that for $89 your AP is more likely to break so to speak, spend the extra money you get a higher quality product. While I love Corvettes myself, you can't argue that a Porsche is generally better engineered. Sorry that I wasn't clear Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I race Corvettes and would take one any day over a Porsche and while the Porsche race drivers are pretty cool, I find most Porsche "off track" owners to be rather snobbish...but I not sure what any of that has to do with Wimax??? 3-dB Networks wrote: Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Gino Villarini" <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: "WISPA General List" <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Cc: "WISPA General List" <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, "Tom DeReggi" <mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net> wrote: I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is here for the long haul. >From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto products on their way. No problem with the $350 CPE level. But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. Its all opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their legacy components were when they were designed). I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. This is from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as well as technology advancement. I'd pose the same arguements Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a tough call. Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise, before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from calling themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage line AP cost in order to make a big splash in the market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "3-dB Networks" <mailto:wi...@3-db.net> To: "'WISPA General List'" <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto give pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way off the mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Soon as in q1 or q2 IIRC $350~ SM $3500~ AP Specs are in the website under 320 series Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 6:50 PM, "Tom DeReggi" <mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Gino Villarini" Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: "WISPA General List" Cc: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > Tom > > ROTFL > > You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e > > That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche > > Sent from my Motorola Startac... > > > On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, "Tom DeReggi" > wrote: > >> I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is >> here for >> the long haul. >>> From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto >>> products >> on their way. >> >> No problem with the $350 CPE level. >> >> But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. >> >> The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is >> not >> that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very >> insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. >> Its all >> opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more >> antennas, >> etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their >> legacy >> components were when they were designed). >> >> I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ >> price >> concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was >> to us 5 >> years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of >> 10mbps 5 >> years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. >> This is >> from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as >> well as >> technology advancement. >> >> I'd pose the same arguements >> >> Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a >> tough >> call. >> >> Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply >> because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise, >> before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from >> calling >> themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. >> >> But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage >> line AP >> cost in order to make a big splash in the market. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "3-dB Networks" >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear >> >> >>> Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen >>> Moto >>> give >>> pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way >>> off >>> the >>> mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-) >>> >>> Daniel White >>> 3-dB Networks >>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >>> dan...@3-db.net >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >>> boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Gino Villarini >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear >>> >>> Soon as in q1 or q2 >>> >>> IIRC >>> $350~ SM >>> $3500~ AP >>> >>> Specs are in the website under 320 series >>> >>> Sent from my Motorola Startac... >>> >>> >>> On Dec 29, 2009, at 6:50 PM, "Tom DeReggi" >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> moto >>>> >>>> Did you mean they are comming out with soon? or did you really mean >>>> they are >>>> talking about comming out with? >>>&g
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Depends... are you deploying WiMAX for fixed operation or for mobile operation with self install kits, etc. If Fixed... then yes I think it has a future. Professional installs, and better QoS in typically virgin spectrum ='s opportunity. If not... then I don't think a WISP (as we probably define it) is ever really going to be profitable with it. Self-installs on wireless gear have problems in their own right (look at all of the Clearwire horror stories, and they get to use the EBS spectrum) and mobility is doomed because they will probably only be mobile within your footprint, which for most WISP's isn't that big (why pay xxx amount to only be able to roam in city x when I could pay xxx for LTE/3G and roam across the country). 802.16e in its pure form IMHO is only going to work for carriers like Open Range and Clearwire utilizing 2.5GHz licensed spectrum. But what about Motorola's new product? Remember it's a "fixed" 802.16e, so you don't get the benefits of mobility, no indoor CPE's are planned as far as I know, but it is supposed to pay off in NLOS situations (which is anecdotal until we can get gear on a tower and test). Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > I'd say the question boils down to who's going to foot the bill for the deployment -- you or the government =) With or without government stimulus I'm curious of the lists' general consensus on whether or not WiMAX is worthwhile investment in this 'war' of LTE vs WiMAX. Having Uncle Sam foot the bill on a deployment definitely lowers / removes the financial barrier, but doesn't really matter if deploying WiMAX is a foolish endeavor from the get-go due to lack of customer demand or vendors ceasing development. I believe WiMAX has an opportunity to be commercially viable at least for a couple of years, and I don't see any reason to not take advantage of that fact. But, what do I know. Consider this a question solely for the sake of debate. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto give pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way off the mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Soon as in q1 or q2 IIRC $350~ SM $3500~ AP Specs are in the website under 320 series Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 6:50 PM, "Tom DeReggi" wrote: >> moto > > Did you mean they are comming out with soon? or did you really mean > they are > talking about comming out with? > > In WISP time, there is a big difference. > > Yeah, it would be cool if that was comming in the near future at > current > Canopy level price points. > But that is an if. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Gino Villarini" > To: "WISPA General List" > Cc: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:05 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > > >> Less? >> >> Moto is comming out with a 16e system with 4.5 bits per hz using mimo >> >> Sent from my Motorola Startac... >> >> >> On Dec 29, 2009, at 4:45 PM, "Patrick Leary" >> wrote: >> >>> Why is your basic criteria .16e with MIMO (or .16e at all)? >>> >>> All .16e gets you in 3.65 GHz is much more (30% more) latency, less >>> throughput per MHz, higher overhead and more cost. And you won't get >>> any >>> hope for interoperability, indoor modems, USB dongles or PC cards, >>> since >>> those are only applicable to licensed bands. >>> >>> >>> Patrick Leary >>> Aperto Networks >>> 813.426.4230 mobile >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Michael Baird >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:22 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] Wimax gear >>> >>> We are looking for some more wimax gear to test for the 3.65 band, >>> our >>> basic criteria would be 802.16e/mimo, we've tested Alvarion gear >>> already. We are looking for something that will work in an urban >>> environment with self install radios, can deliver voice and if >>> possible >>> with PPP/NAT/DHCP in the radio rather then as an external gateway >>> device. If any dealers out there would like to chime in or hit me >>> off >>> list I would appreciate it. >>> >>> Regards >>> Michael Baird >>> >>> >>> --- >>> --- >>> -- >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> --- >>> --- >>> -- >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >>
Re: [WISPA] Service in Brighton CO
Just Skybeam (although Open Range might be there now too)... sent you info offlist Scott. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 5:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Service in Brighton CO My son is interested in service in Brighton CO. What WISPs are in the area? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ptp 600 questions
Use a different region code, probably region code 8 http://motorola.wirelessbroadbandsupport.com/support/ptp/licensekey.php Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 9:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ptp 600 questions Does anyone know how to disable IDFS on Moto PTP600 equipment? I'm trying to do some lab tests and this would save me some time. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless backhauls for Cell Carriers
10Mbps to 100Mbps works for 3G services, but 4G requires 100Mbps per base station... with multiple base stations per tower you're looking at 500Mbps. TDM is then desires on top of that because the carriers still have a lot of equipment running on TDM type services. So the RFP's you have seen might not reflect this now, but long term they will. I do agree though, LTE/4G is all Ethernet based, TDM is only desired for legacy support during the transition. I think Sprint/Clearwire is showing where the future of the industry is going... they are now making huge investments in 1Gbps microwave radios from Bridgewave and E-band (although Bridgewave I think will win out since they can also carry Sprints TDM traffic natively). Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless backhauls for Cell Carriers That doesn't seem inline with any of the RFPs. Generally speaking, the carriers that want TDM only want it for voice and generally don't require more than 5 T1s for voice. Almost all of the carriers now seek Ethernet for for data. Almost always, the request is between 10Mbps and 100Mbps per tower. Not to say that it is easy. CDMA-based carriers for example have stringent clocking requirements for their TDM that doesn't appear solvable with TDD radios. Further, the carriers that want Ethernet want straight layer2 between their tower and MSO. This generally means that the aggregate amount of backhaul exceeds radio capability the further away from the MSO you get. Unless you have a fiber partner or have fiber yourself then forget it. -Matt On Dec 23, 2009, at 6:06 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote: > Don, > > Unless your backhaul can support TDM natively and can deliver over > 500Mbps > just to them (which from what I understand the carriers are really > believing > they will need), I don't think the average carrier would be > interested in > collocating if that is what you were thinking of. > > The more immediate concern to WISP's should be carriers like > Clearwire/Sprint gobbling up licensed spectrum for their backhauls > in my > opinion. It's a very real concern in markets where Clearwire has > deployed... and is only going to become more of a concern going > forward. > 60GHz and 80GHz are going to get a big boost though. > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > dan...@3-db.net > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of Robert West > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 3:57 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless backhauls for Cell Carriers > > Some of us have discussed doing that but it takes more than just a > few of > us. If enough were on board it would be a win/win for those involved. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of Don Renner > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 5:37 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: [WISPA] Wireless backhauls for Cell Carriers > > A coordinated effort by WISPA to provide some of the necessary > backhauls, > seems like a good idea. > > > > http://www.rcrwireless.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091223/INFRASTRUCTUR > E/912219995/ > > > > Don Renner > > NetsurfUSA, Inc. > > 8550 W. Main St. > > French Lick, IN 47432 > > 812-936-4514 Office > > 812-936-2006 Fax > > 812-521-1876 Cell > > dren...@netsurfusa.net <mailto:dren...@helixtec.net> > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -
Re: [WISPA] Wireless backhauls for Cell Carriers
Don, Unless your backhaul can support TDM natively and can deliver over 500Mbps just to them (which from what I understand the carriers are really believing they will need), I don't think the average carrier would be interested in collocating if that is what you were thinking of. The more immediate concern to WISP's should be carriers like Clearwire/Sprint gobbling up licensed spectrum for their backhauls in my opinion. It's a very real concern in markets where Clearwire has deployed... and is only going to become more of a concern going forward. 60GHz and 80GHz are going to get a big boost though. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 3:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless backhauls for Cell Carriers Some of us have discussed doing that but it takes more than just a few of us. If enough were on board it would be a win/win for those involved. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Don Renner Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Wireless backhauls for Cell Carriers A coordinated effort by WISPA to provide some of the necessary backhauls, seems like a good idea. http://www.rcrwireless.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091223/INFRASTRUCTUR E/912219995/ Don Renner NetsurfUSA, Inc. 8550 W. Main St. French Lick, IN 47432 812-936-4514 Office 812-936-2006 Fax 812-521-1876 Cell dren...@netsurfusa.net <mailto:dren...@helixtec.net> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Greeley Colorado
How much do you need :-) Skybeam can help you out... contact Nick Franz at (303) 376-3753 or ni...@skybeam.com. Tell him I sent you... he will take care of you. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 9:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Greeley Colorado Looking about getting some bandwidth possibly, near CR 66 Greeley CO 80631. Anyone ? Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest
Wideband or narrowband :-P Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest At what frequency? :P On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: > Wireless denizens never die, we just attenuate away into oblivion. > > > Patrick Leary > Aperto Networks > 813.426.4230 mobile > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:02 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest > > MMmm... What does Hotel California and Wireless Execs have in common? > "you can check in, but you can never leave" :-) > > Sounds like Matt is saying he still has vested interest to stay involved > in RL/OR to protect his investment revenue. > > Matt, would you mind clarifying.When you said... "have not the left > the business", did you mean > > 1) Have not left OneRing/RapidLink, and are involved in a non-employee > capacity. > or that > 2) Have not left the Wireless Industry. > > When you said... "I cant talk about it", did you mean > > 1) You cant talk about your status at OneRing/RapidLink or that > 2) You cant talk about what you are doing now.. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Matt Liotta" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:07 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest > > > >I am not longer with Rapid Link/One Ring as an employee, but I have > > not left the business. Ralph likes to speak out of turn. > > > > -Matt > > > > On Dec 9, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Brad Belton wrote: > > > >> Matt's not in the business anymore? News to me. I thought he was > >> with > >> Rapid or Ring something or another? Not anymore? If true, that > >> really is > >> interesting... > >> > >> > >> Brad > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > >> On > >> Behalf Of rwf > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:50 AM > >> To: 'WISPA General List' > >> Subject: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest > >> > >> Matt- > >> > >> Please consider taking your insurance debate to another list. > >> > >> When you pop in, you just make the discussion hotter and more active. > >> > >> Some of us are here for wireless discussion, and Matt, although I > >> understand > >> you are no longer actively in the business, the rest of us still are. > >> > >> > >> > >> I even made a filter but you keep slipping through. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > > > >> > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > > > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireles
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
I stand corrected... I guess I thought everything was shipping with 802.11n now... at least all of the ones I have bought in the last year or so have Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 Made me look! Two fairly new HPs and a Dell, as well as my netbook (take to installs) have B/G cards, no A. At 10:22 AM 12/9/2009, you wrote: >Every laptop I've seen recently usually comes with 802.11 a/b/g/n cards... >except maybe netbooks > >Daniel White >3-dB Networks >http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Mike >Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:21 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 > >I agree! However, most of the newer laptops don't have 802.11a >capabilities any more. > >I like it when my technologically challenged customers want wireless >in the house. When one of their friends says they have a 4M >connection on Mediacomm, they respond, "I connect at >54Mbps!" Really helps sell my service. I've tried explaining, but >the task bar tells all, right? > >Mike G > > > >At 08:30 AM 12/9/2009, Mike Hammett wrote: > >In 5 GHz (the home of 802.11a) there are a few hundred MHz available. All > >the home routers really should be in 5 GHz. > > > > >--- - > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ >--- - > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > >--- - >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ >--- - > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
Yep most are the Intel 5100/5300 chipsets... which have issues with roaming. Unfortunately I have one :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 I bought this laptop in the beginning of the year - it's bg. No 5Ghz to do an. I'm told the antenna is there and I can easily upgrade it, but I want an atheros card. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:22 AM, 3-dB Networks wrote: > Every laptop I've seen recently usually comes with 802.11 a/b/g/n cards... > except maybe netbooks > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:21 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 > > I agree! However, most of the newer laptops don't have 802.11a > capabilities any more. > > I like it when my technologically challenged customers want wireless > in the house. When one of their friends says they have a 4M > connection on Mediacomm, they respond, "I connect at > 54Mbps!" Really helps sell my service. I've tried explaining, but > the task bar tells all, right? > > Mike G > > > > At 08:30 AM 12/9/2009, Mike Hammett wrote: > >In 5 GHz (the home of 802.11a) there are a few hundred MHz available. All > >the home routers really should be in 5 GHz. > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
23 I think... but I'm just about to turn 26 :-) A stupid squirrel chewed through the cable on an AP that had close to 80 customers on it... and it had been down for at least 24 hours before I said screw it. I honestly don't feel that I wasn't safe... but it's amazing how much a tower can really sway (or at least feel like its swaying) when you're up there. If you account for your body as adding X amount of wind load to the tower... you can pretty much figure out if it is safe or not. In this case there was only a few Canopy AP's and reflector dishes on the tower... and it was built for a heck of a lot more load than that. If your 100ft self supporter is close to capacity I'd probably think twice about climbing it. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:24 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! And you were, that, 19 years old at the time? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! You mean being on a 100ft self supporting tower in wind like that :-) Once had to climb 100ft up a Rohn 25 tower in wind like that... that was the most terrifying experience on a tower in my life :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:12, Robert West wrote: > Windy today, supposed to have gusts up to 50mph before days end. You haven't lived until you've seen a 100' freestanding tower swaying in the wind on a day like this. Simultaneously awesome and terrifying. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
Every laptop I've seen recently usually comes with 802.11 a/b/g/n cards... except maybe netbooks Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 I agree! However, most of the newer laptops don't have 802.11a capabilities any more. I like it when my technologically challenged customers want wireless in the house. When one of their friends says they have a 4M connection on Mediacomm, they respond, "I connect at 54Mbps!" Really helps sell my service. I've tried explaining, but the task bar tells all, right? Mike G At 08:30 AM 12/9/2009, Mike Hammett wrote: >In 5 GHz (the home of 802.11a) there are a few hundred MHz available. All >the home routers really should be in 5 GHz. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind!
You mean being on a 100ft self supporting tower in wind like that :-) Once had to climb 100ft up a Rohn 25 tower in wind like that... that was the most terrifying experience on a tower in my life :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:12, Robert West wrote: > Windy today, supposed to have gusts up to 50mph before days end. You haven't lived until you've seen a 100' freestanding tower swaying in the wind on a day like this. Simultaneously awesome and terrifying. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
The client side devices are available at Tessco for MediaFlex and MetroFlex. ZoneFlex is only available through channel, so if you're interested in those products please hit me up Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:37 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 I have never seen or investigated Ruckus. Heard it a few times here though. Making myself a note just for fun here. Always good to know other equipment as solutions to weird problems. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:49 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 The problem with streaming Hi-Def video over Wi-Fi really has nothing to do with bandwidth, it has to do with how the data is delivered. There is a lot of jitter in the typical Wi-Fi signal. Ruckus is the only company I know of that claims to be able to stream Hi-Def video now (because of their antenna array technology, Beamflex). Ruckus is huge overseas in IPTV markets (that is how they got their start), and I've been told that Ruckus is the largest purchaser of Atheros based chipsets because of how many units they sell overseas for this. More reading: http://www.ruckuswireless.com/solutions/triple-play-carrier-services If you click download on the right hand side there is a whitepaper regarding IPTV over Wi-Fi Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 There's many times where I wish I had a gig. Really, as in-home media sharing grows, you'll need that bandwidth. DirecTV already lets you watch DVR episodes on your PC from your DVR. Soon they'll share them among DVRs. Streaming a 1080P movie from one room to another will take some serious bandwidth. 10 years ago we had 480i. I'm not exactly sure of the order, but we've gone to 480p, 720p, 1080i, and now 1080p. How long will 1080p reign as the highest consumer video resolution? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Robert West" Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:18 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 > Ah! Well why in the heck would they leave out something that important? > Here I was thinking 5.8wasgoing bye bye in one quick hurry! > > They can have it then. Still a waste unless they are an office sharing a > server or have home server with their pirate bay movies, music and viruses > to stream to everyone in the house. > > > > -----Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of 3-dB Networks > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:11 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 > > 60GHz... plenty of spectrum... and it won't propagate that far. > > But no mention of that in the article... I know the IEEE is working on > that > as a standard... > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Robert West > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:03 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 > > 160MHz channels? What in the heck frequency are they looking muddy up > THIS time??? Just think of an apartment building with 1/3 of the > residents > running 160MHz channels on their routers and yet they only have 10mbps > internet and the channels are all set on "Auto" along with everything > else. HAHAHA! > > My nightmare is coming true! > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Philip Dorr > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:03 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 > > "The IEEE has recently begun the first steps of voting on a major > improvement to Wi-Fi standards due in two years. The 802.11ac standard > should upgrade 802.11a to use 80MHz or even 160MHz channels that > provide much more bandwidth than today." > > Just reading the first couple of sentences it
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
The problem with streaming Hi-Def video over Wi-Fi really has nothing to do with bandwidth, it has to do with how the data is delivered. There is a lot of jitter in the typical Wi-Fi signal. Ruckus is the only company I know of that claims to be able to stream Hi-Def video now (because of their antenna array technology, Beamflex). Ruckus is huge overseas in IPTV markets (that is how they got their start), and I've been told that Ruckus is the largest purchaser of Atheros based chipsets because of how many units they sell overseas for this. More reading: http://www.ruckuswireless.com/solutions/triple-play-carrier-services If you click download on the right hand side there is a whitepaper regarding IPTV over Wi-Fi Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 There's many times where I wish I had a gig. Really, as in-home media sharing grows, you'll need that bandwidth. DirecTV already lets you watch DVR episodes on your PC from your DVR. Soon they'll share them among DVRs. Streaming a 1080P movie from one room to another will take some serious bandwidth. 10 years ago we had 480i. I'm not exactly sure of the order, but we've gone to 480p, 720p, 1080i, and now 1080p. How long will 1080p reign as the highest consumer video resolution? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Robert West" Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:18 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 > Ah! Well why in the heck would they leave out something that important? > Here I was thinking 5.8wasgoing bye bye in one quick hurry! > > They can have it then. Still a waste unless they are an office sharing a > server or have home server with their pirate bay movies, music and viruses > to stream to everyone in the house. > > > > -Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of 3-dB Networks > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:11 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 > > 60GHz... plenty of spectrum... and it won't propagate that far. > > But no mention of that in the article... I know the IEEE is working on > that > as a standard... > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Robert West > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:03 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 > > 160MHz channels? What in the heck frequency are they looking muddy up > THIS time??? Just think of an apartment building with 1/3 of the > residents > running 160MHz channels on their routers and yet they only have 10mbps > internet and the channels are all set on "Auto" along with everything > else. HAHAHA! > > My nightmare is coming true! > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Philip Dorr > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:03 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 > > "The IEEE has recently begun the first steps of voting on a major > improvement to Wi-Fi standards due in two years. The 802.11ac standard > should upgrade 802.11a to use 80MHz or even 160MHz channels that > provide much more bandwidth than today." > > Just reading the first couple of sentences it looks like it will make > a ton of illegal links and be a waste of RF spectrum. > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Mike Hammett > wrote: >> http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/12/07/80211ac.process.underway/ >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/piper
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
In case anyone was curious: http://www.ieee802.org/11/Reports/tgad_update.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 If 60 GHz, then even better! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "3-dB Networks" Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:11 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 > 60GHz... plenty of spectrum... and it won't propagate that far. > > But no mention of that in the article... I know the IEEE is working on > that > as a standard... > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Robert West > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:03 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 > > 160MHz channels? What in the heck frequency are they looking muddy up > THIS time??? Just think of an apartment building with 1/3 of the > residents > running 160MHz channels on their routers and yet they only have 10mbps > internet and the channels are all set on "Auto" along with everything > else. HAHAHA! > > My nightmare is coming true! > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Philip Dorr > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:03 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 > > "The IEEE has recently begun the first steps of voting on a major > improvement to Wi-Fi standards due in two years. The 802.11ac standard > should upgrade 802.11a to use 80MHz or even 160MHz channels that > provide much more bandwidth than today." > > Just reading the first couple of sentences it looks like it will make > a ton of illegal links and be a waste of RF spectrum. > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Mike Hammett > wrote: >> http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/12/07/80211ac.process.underway/ >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012
60GHz... plenty of spectrum... and it won't propagate that far. But no mention of that in the article... I know the IEEE is working on that as a standard... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 160MHz channels? What in the heck frequency are they looking muddy up THIS time??? Just think of an apartment building with 1/3 of the residents running 160MHz channels on their routers and yet they only have 10mbps internet and the channels are all set on "Auto" along with everything else. HAHAHA! My nightmare is coming true! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Philip Dorr Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi to top 1 GB/s by 2012 "The IEEE has recently begun the first steps of voting on a major improvement to Wi-Fi standards due in two years. The 802.11ac standard should upgrade 802.11a to use 80MHz or even 160MHz channels that provide much more bandwidth than today." Just reading the first couple of sentences it looks like it will make a ton of illegal links and be a waste of RF spectrum. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/12/07/80211ac.process.underway/ > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Long Cat5 Run
I once had a Tranzeo radio running at near 500ft of cable, at 100 Base full, with no problems. Granted it was Belden 7919 Shielded Cable... it was a backhaul for my house and didn't have issue with the cable (getting the radio to deal with the noise floor was a separate issue :-) FWIW... I've run many radios to 350ft on 802.3af power and 24v PoE with no issues. I of course try to avoid it, but I often wonder if those recommendations were for CAT5 cable, and 5e allows you to stretch a little bit further... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 12:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Long Cat5 Run Voltage won't be a problem. http://www.wisp-router.com/poecalculator.php At 320 feet you should be OK with the Ethernet timing. I have done 340 with 48v Ceragon (that's AirMux FYI) gear. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Robert West wrote: > Confusing info on the net so I guess I better ask. > > > > I need to run a Cat5 line near 320 feet. I know that over 300 could cause > issues but if I put my PoE switch about 20 or 30 feet in and then run the > rest of the way, will we be golden or will we risk attenuation? Seems to > be > confusion on the net over use of switch curing the attenuation. > Personally > I think the switch will make it all cool, just want to make sure. > > > > I use outdoor, solid core, shielded, flooded cable with static drain. > Running it to a Mikrotik 600a using 4 R52N cards. > > > > Another thought, running 48v though 290 feet of solid core Cat5 Do ya > think I'll have enough juice the end of the run to power up that 600a and > the 4 R52N's? > > > > Just so ya know. > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link
>> Your calculator gives no indication of diffraction and multipath... which is >> often larger issues with licensed gear than rain fading. >Currently there is just one "Path Loss" value which takes into account >multipath and diffraction. Would you like to see it displayed >separately? Matt, The PDF that prints out only lists link availability due to rain. If diffraction and multipath were considered, that path profile I sent to the list would show a 0% reliability... It would be nice if they were separate line items either way... so you can tell if your issue is multipath/diffraction related or rain fade related. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hardy Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 14:35 -0700, 3-dB Networks wrote: > I must have missed the day Ligowave announced 11GHz can go through mountains > :-) > LOL... most 11GHz can't, only LigoWave. ;) We'll look into this and see what's going on with this link. > Your calculator gives no indication of diffraction and multipath... which is > often larger issues with licensed gear than rain fading. Currently there is just one "Path Loss" value which takes into account multipath and diffraction. Would you like to see it displayed separately? > > I'd also question you using the QPSK transmit power and receive sensitivity > as the default values when everyone is interested in the "320Mbps" > throughput, which is considerably less power and a much higher receive level > required. This is a good point, we debated about this but for the first release we decided to list the default values for "making the link work", not necessarily the highest performance. We're thinking of ways to make this more clear... maybe adding an option for modulation/speed along with radio model. > > Constructive criticism... this is one of the better manufacturer calculators > out there. Thanks, we really do appreciate it :) -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link
One thing I have noticed... it does not take into account multipath, or really anything else dealing with the terrain. The calculator is really a glorified free space loss calculator with a slick interface and the terrain profile. It seems to function well... but you have to take into account terrain yourself :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:16 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link Hey, ya know I used that thing a few times a year or so ago but forgot all about it. Thanks for pointing me back to it! Any tips on using it for non-lingo equipment? Are the custom calculations fairly close to your true results? Any significant fudge factor on it? Thanks! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link Been using this one for quick lookups, requires an account to be established though. http://www.ligowave.com/linkcalc/main.html Regards Michael Baird > Yeah, I'd have to get quite a few more customers to pay for such a thing. I > can certainly see the value in it but value versus food.. Uh I > gotta eat. > > Someday, though. Someday.. > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:42 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link > > As they say, you get what you pay for. For normal stuff, especially close > range, you can use a variety of software packages. But for a high dollar > tower, you want someone with the expertise and the software to give you > reliable results. -RickG > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Robert West > wrote: > > >> Me = Cheap >> >> RadioMobile = Free >> >> Wispmon = Yikes! >> >> It better be good but I think I'd need a few thousand customers before I >> didn't feel that price. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Brad Belton >> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:38 PM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link >> >> A relatively nifty new monitoring service out there also has a great path >> profile tool built-in. The person that is developing the product is a >> > long > >> time wireless operator, so he has a very good feel for what our industry >> needs. >> >> www.wispmon.com >> >> I've been a RadioMobile user for years now, but have found myself using >> > the > >> path profiler in wispmon more often than RadioMobile. >> >> Best, >> >> >> Brad >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Brian Webster >> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:21 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link >> >> $75 using 10 meter terrain data and 30 meter resolution tree clutter. >> >> >> Thank You, >> Brian Webster >> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. >> Cooperstown, NY 13326 >> www.wirelessmapping.com >> 607-643-4055 Voice >> 607-435-3988 Mobile >> 208-692-1898 Fax >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:59 PM, RickG wrote: >> >> >>> THANKS to EVERYONE for their input. I'll let you know what I decide. >>> Another >>> question: Normally I do my path analysis with Delorme but I'm not >>> > feeling > >>> that is good enough considering the cost of the project and some trees I >>> see >>> in the distance. Is anyone out there offering path analysis for a fair >>> rate? >>> -RickG >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Mike wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Rick: >>>> >>>> You have been getting some good advice here. I am not a networking >>>> guru and have never played one on TV, but do know a thing or two about >>>> >>> RF. >>> >>>> It seems with your physical layout you may have an opportunity for >>>> some space diversity. A simple link will probably serve you with 3 >>>> nines or so. If infrequent outages will
Re: [WISPA] Sectors
If you want to go real cheap... you could always just put up another omni antenna if there is available spectrum... then you can load balance the AP's, and should one fail, you have redundancy. Not an efficient use of spectrum, but if the site is remote enough... it might not matter. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Depending on the cost of whatever sector you are looking at, I think the extra cash for the third antenna and radio would offset the amount of aggravation. Take it from someone who is "cheap", just spend the extra cash. Been there, done that, have less hair over it. (That's why I wear a hat) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:22 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors Honestly, I doubt the quality of a 120 degree sector that will give you 180 degree coverage. I would hope your at -6dB or -8dB at that point. For instance... check out this sector... its -6dB off at 180 degrees http://www.mtiwe.com/uploads/product/127.pdf So your 12dBi sector is now a 6dBi sector... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >From an omni two 120s will get you more coverage, doesn't it? On 12/1/09, 3-dB Networks wrote: > 4 90's would be better... but you could make 2 120's work probably. > > Check the patterns, and try to align the sectors where the bulk of the > customers are. > > MTI does have some 900MHz 180's in H-pol... > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mark McElvy > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:38 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Sectors > > I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want > to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they > don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any > comments? > > > > Mark > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Sectors
What frequency band and polarization? I would also strongly consider your reasoning for moving from the Omni to the sectors. If it is because your AP is overloaded so you need to offload some, 3 AP's might be attractive for future proofing sakes. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors 9db -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors What size omni are you using? > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:59 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors > > That is the general suggestion - two 120s. That one guy that does > antenna design said so :) > > You will get some less coverage then three 120s but at the cost of the > extra radio/antenna it isn't cost efficient. > > On 12/1/09, Mark McElvy wrote: > > I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really > want > > to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they > > don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any > > comments? > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > - > --- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > - > --- > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > -- > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." > --- Albert Einstein > > > --- > - > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > - > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.89/2539 - Release Date: > 12/01/09 19:32:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.72/2511 - Release Date: 12/01/09 01:59:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Sectors
Honestly, I doubt the quality of a 120 degree sector that will give you 180 degree coverage. I would hope your at -6dB or -8dB at that point. For instance... check out this sector... its -6dB off at 180 degrees http://www.mtiwe.com/uploads/product/127.pdf So your 12dBi sector is now a 6dBi sector... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >From an omni two 120s will get you more coverage, doesn't it? On 12/1/09, 3-dB Networks wrote: > 4 90's would be better... but you could make 2 120's work probably. > > Check the patterns, and try to align the sectors where the bulk of the > customers are. > > MTI does have some 900MHz 180's in H-pol... > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mark McElvy > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:38 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Sectors > > I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want > to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they > don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any > comments? > > > > Mark > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Sectors
4 90's would be better... but you could make 2 120's work probably. Check the patterns, and try to align the sectors where the bulk of the customers are. MTI does have some 900MHz 180's in H-pol... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Sectors I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't really want to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard they don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, any comments? Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link
Depends... What type of throughput do you need? What size dishes can you use? What is the budget? Licensed or Unlicensed? PoE or some other configuration? What does the noise floor look like? What type of equipment do you already primarily use (i.e. what will you be the most comfortable deploying). My recommendation would be based on the answer to all of those questions. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 20 mile link Planning my first 20 mile PTP link. Path analysis shows clear. Customer is building a 100' tower just for this therefore the equipment I choose must work. I'm free to use whatever I want. Suggestions? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ?
5600 to 5650 Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence E. Bakst Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ? Does anyone know the frequency range of the "5.6" Doppler Radar? leb At 3:08 PM -0500 11/24/09, Tom DeReggi wrote: >Forbes, > >Historically, The FCC has usually grandfathered pre-existing installations, to protect those that have already deployed equipment. >You have 250Mhz available today between 5.4g and 5.7g. My recommendation is If it works use it. If you have a airport radar system near by dont. > >Tom DeReggi >RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: Jack Unger > To: WISPA General List ; memb...@wispa.org > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 1:16 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ? > > > IMO, it is "iffy" for the reason you mentioned. The FCC (at the request of the FAA and the NTIA) appears ready to deny use of the 5.6 spectrum in areas where interference with airport weather radar takes place. I doubt that any WISP would ague that their use of that spectrum is more important than safe operation of commercial aircraft. I expect that newly certified 5 GHz equipment will soon (within the next year) include a updated DFS algorithm that looks for the presence of 5.6 GHz radar and switches away from 5.6 when radar is detected. > > Your existing equipment may remain technically "legal" but you do run the risk of possibly being blamed for aircraft crashes assuming you are unlucky enough to be using 5.6 near airports where you could cause actual interference to Terminal Doppler Weather Radar systems. See <http://tiny.cc/LIlqB> for more information. > > jack > > > Travis Johnson wrote: >It's "iffy" because the FCC allowed the specific band, and now they are trying to take it back away... two years later. If I never upgrade my radios, does that mean I'm legal to run in that specific band forever? > >I just don't understand how they can allow it for 2 years, and then try and take it away and think they are going to clean up the airways. > >Travis >Microserv > >3-dB Networks wrote: >Motorola Canopy 5.4GHz radios updated with the latest firmware cannot >transmit in the 5600-5650 part of the band. > >I don't understand what is "iffy" about the band... Canopy operators have >been using it for two years or so now legally, and while DFS still has >issues in its current implementation, the FCC is working to make the DFS >detection better on the radio side and in turn make it harder to radio >manufacturers to allow clients to avoid using DFS > >Daniel White >3-dB Networks >http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Jack Unger >Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 11:02 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ? > >5470 - 5725 is a legitimate band but DFS2 must be used on the radios. >There is currently FCC activity to modify the DFS profiles for all >newly-certified radios to avoid aircraft radar system in the 5.6 GHz >part of the 5470-5725 band. The bottom line is - it's pretty "iffy". > >jack > > >Forbes Mercy wrote: > My new MIMO radios have 5.6 GHZ on them, I don't recall that frequency >being available in the US. Is it? > >Forbes > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > >--- - >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ >--- - > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >-- >Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. >Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" >Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 199
Re: [WISPA] RadWin 2000 5.8
I have not had a chance to personally test it... but it should detect noise regardless of the transmitting device (i.e. like Canopy, Trango, Orthogon, et. al.) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RadWin 2000 5.8 > Latest firmware has a spectrum analyzer built in... A real one, sorta link Trango's and Canopy's? Or just one that sees 802.11n/a devices? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message ----- From: "3-dB Networks" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RadWin 2000 5.8 > Latest firmware has a spectrum analyzer built in... > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:18 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] RadWin 2000 5.8 > > Also keep in mind someone said they bricked it while using Vista. I > expect 7 to work as well if not better then Vista. > > I never did try WINE, but an XP VM guest works. > > My remark was more suggesting I do not like the menu system or layout. > I found that some commands needed issued multiple times and it seemed > awfully confusing when trying to set up. I would like to see a > spectrum analyzer and some basic values on link quality. > > On 11/24/09, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: >> Yes. Most importantly, in a pinch when you've just run over your Windows >> laptop with the truck on the way to the tower site, or need to make >> changes through a telnet session from a router, or have only your >> blackberry/iphone with you, etc., command line / HTTP configuration is a >> lifesaver. >> >> >> Patrick Shoemaker >> Vector Data Systems LLC >> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com >> office: (301) 358-1690 x36 >> http://www.vectordatasystems.com >> >> >> Kevin Neal wrote: >>> I would rather see a web or command line instead of anything you have >>> to install. OS independent then, as long as they don't write it >>> specifically for IE :( >>> >>> -Kevin >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:00 AM, wrote: >>>> As a Mac OS X/Windows/Linux user (OS X natively and Windows, Linux >>>> under >>>> Fusion) I'd like to see the configuration apps be universal (Java?) or >>>> something cross platform. But I realize you can't fight city hall. So >>>> I'll always have Fusion for a small handful of apps (Mapwel, Dude, >>>> WinBox). >>>> >>>> Greg >>>> >>>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 7:54 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: >>>> >>>>> Josh, you are correct we are not the same person. I live in a world >>>>> that windows is operated on 90% on all business computers. I don't > live >>>>> in a world of nirvana that I can use just linux and life is good. >>>>> Besides if I was programming an app that I wanted to reach the >>>>> majority >>>>> of computers why would I program for just linux. I would program for >>>>> the standard. More to the point, my review was not to hack the OS of >>>>> the computer the software needed to be installed on it, it was for the >>>>> equipment. I don't feel your comments help anyone and put a shadow > over >>>>> a good product. >>>>> >>>>> The RadWin 2000 product is easy to configure but as Josh has pointed > out >>>>> you must use a windows computer to configure it. >>>>> >>>>> Steve Barnes >>>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>>>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 5:27 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] RadWin 2000 5.8 >>>>> >>>>>> Software easy to use >>>>> Is this the Windows only RadWin stuff still? Not sure how in the >>>>> world >>>>> you >>>>> could call that thing easy to use, b
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic
Grids are always single polarity... if you need dual polarity use a solid parabolic Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Radiowaves does I believe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "MDK" Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:26:58 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3 foot solid dish w/dual polarity. Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas are made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium? -- From: "Phil Curnutt" Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:12 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic > Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 24 > to > 30 dB? > > Phil > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RadWin 2000 5.8
A web GUI is supposed to be in the next release, in Jan. Part of the problem is that historically, the customer base for this product has been Telco's... things have been kinda setup for them. I should have a link at Animal Farm if anyone wants to see one in action... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 1:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RadWin 2000 5.8 > The RadWin 2000 product is easy to configure but as Josh has pointed out > you must use a windows computer to configure it. > I don't feel your comments help anyone and put a shadow over a good > product. I'm sure the RadWin is a real nice product, and that windows only is fine for many people. But Josh's comment did help some people, such as myself, so that we can qualify whether the RadWin product is right for us. I would have been pissed if I ordered a $3k-$5k radio and then learned I couldn't use it after it arrived, because of GUI requirements. Clearly the mechanisms available to configure a radio are relevent. Support for Telnet is just as relevent as support for SNMP for example, if a WISP's Network Management design requires it. For example in our network, we insist that all critical WAN equipment that we use supports a command line interface, so it can be managed by our command line Routers, without disconnecting the radio from the router, or relying on a free port on the router that would need configured for a laptop to be connected to. Having a windows only config option does not make a product bad, but it does undisputedly limit the market potential of that product, because there are a percentage of ISPs that rely on text console management, for many reasons.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Steve Barnes" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RadWin 2000 5.8 > Josh, you are correct we are not the same person. I live in a world that > windows is operated on 90% on all business computers. I don't live in a > world of nirvana that I can use just linux and life is good. Besides if I > was programming an app that I wanted to reach the majority of computers > why would I program for just linux. I would program for the standard. > More to the point, my review was not to hack the OS of the computer the > software needed to be installed on it, it was for the equipment. I don't > feel your comments help anyone and put a shadow over a good product. > > The RadWin 2000 product is easy to configure but as Josh has pointed out > you must use a windows computer to configure it. > > Steve Barnes > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 5:27 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] RadWin 2000 5.8 > >>Software easy to use > > Is this the Windows only RadWin stuff still? Not sure how in the world > you > could call that thing easy to use, but we are not the same person. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." > --- Albert Einstein > > > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: > >> Since we are giving recommendations I just had a RadWin 2000 FDX Link put >> up and with 2- 2ft FDX PacWireless Dishes. The Link is 18.2 miles. -62 >> both >> ends. Can push 42 Mbps FDX using TCP Bandwidth test on Mtiks on both >> ends. >> Link extremely stable <$4000. Software easy to use. Radios so easy to >> setup >> I called Tech support and asked what I forgot. Very happy. Replaced >> frustrating StarOS FDX that gave me about 10 Mbps. >> >> Steve Barnes >> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -
Re: [WISPA] RadWin 2000 5.8
Latest firmware has a spectrum analyzer built in... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RadWin 2000 5.8 Also keep in mind someone said they bricked it while using Vista. I expect 7 to work as well if not better then Vista. I never did try WINE, but an XP VM guest works. My remark was more suggesting I do not like the menu system or layout. I found that some commands needed issued multiple times and it seemed awfully confusing when trying to set up. I would like to see a spectrum analyzer and some basic values on link quality. On 11/24/09, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: > Yes. Most importantly, in a pinch when you've just run over your Windows > laptop with the truck on the way to the tower site, or need to make > changes through a telnet session from a router, or have only your > blackberry/iphone with you, etc., command line / HTTP configuration is a > lifesaver. > > > Patrick Shoemaker > Vector Data Systems LLC > shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com > office: (301) 358-1690 x36 > http://www.vectordatasystems.com > > > Kevin Neal wrote: >> I would rather see a web or command line instead of anything you have >> to install. OS independent then, as long as they don't write it >> specifically for IE :( >> >> -Kevin >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:00 AM, wrote: >>> As a Mac OS X/Windows/Linux user (OS X natively and Windows, Linux under >>> Fusion) I'd like to see the configuration apps be universal (Java?) or >>> something cross platform. But I realize you can't fight city hall. So >>> I'll always have Fusion for a small handful of apps (Mapwel, Dude, >>> WinBox). >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 7:54 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: >>> >>>> Josh, you are correct we are not the same person. I live in a world >>>> that windows is operated on 90% on all business computers. I don't live >>>> in a world of nirvana that I can use just linux and life is good. >>>> Besides if I was programming an app that I wanted to reach the majority >>>> of computers why would I program for just linux. I would program for >>>> the standard. More to the point, my review was not to hack the OS of >>>> the computer the software needed to be installed on it, it was for the >>>> equipment. I don't feel your comments help anyone and put a shadow over >>>> a good product. >>>> >>>> The RadWin 2000 product is easy to configure but as Josh has pointed out >>>> you must use a windows computer to configure it. >>>> >>>> Steve Barnes >>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 5:27 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] RadWin 2000 5.8 >>>> >>>>> Software easy to use >>>> Is this the Windows only RadWin stuff still? Not sure how in the world >>>> you >>>> could call that thing easy to use, but we are not the same person. >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." >>>> --- Albert Einstein >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: >>>> >>>>> Since we are giving recommendations I just had a RadWin 2000 FDX Link >>>>> put >>>>> up and with 2- 2ft FDX PacWireless Dishes. The Link is 18.2 miles. -62 >>>>> both >>>>> ends. Can push 42 Mbps FDX using TCP Bandwidth test on Mtiks on both >>>>> ends. >>>>> Link extremely stable <$4000. Software easy to use. Radios so easy to >>>>> setup >>>>> I called Tech support and asked what I forgot. Very happy. Replaced >>>>> frustrating StarOS FDX that gave me about 10 Mbps. >>>>> >>>>> Steve Barnes >>>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
Re: [WISPA] RadWin 2000 5.8
Glad to hear it worked for you Steve! Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] RadWin 2000 5.8 Since we are giving recommendations I just had a RadWin 2000 FDX Link put up and with 2- 2ft FDX PacWireless Dishes. The Link is 18.2 miles. -62 both ends. Can push 42 Mbps FDX using TCP Bandwidth test on Mtiks on both ends. Link extremely stable <$4000. Software easy to use. Radios so easy to setup I called Tech support and asked what I forgot. Very happy. Replaced frustrating StarOS FDX that gave me about 10 Mbps. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio
Its big brother, which isn't that much more... has fiber interfaces... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:42 PM To: WISPA General List; bcl...@spectraaccess.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio its not OFDM, its true microwave FDX I concur -65 at 3 miles it's a stretch for 24 ghz We have a Pair of this units we bought directly from the Manufacturer, It's a great unit, mount its not that bad. Ours is going half mile. 98 Mbps Fdx Radio is limited due to FE port only, GE is out Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:26 PM To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz wouldn't last long! $8K! Really? Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the attenuation. On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: > Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the > place of a 100meg fiber loop. > > We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes. -65 signal on both sides > and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions. > > Very happy with it so far. The software and management interface is > very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a > "constellation" feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM > signals look like. This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for > the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that > instead of trying to call out signal strengths. That made it a lot > easier to peak in. > > Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is > actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower. It is not very > fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the > politically correct way to put it. > > The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood. The fiber link was > costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself. > > Matt Larsen > vistabeam.com > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio
It's a 100Mbps full duplex link... an upconverted 23GHz link if anything. Don't confuse it with Snaplink... those things are junk Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:26 PM To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz wouldn't last long! $8K! Really? Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the attenuation. On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: > Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the > place of a 100meg fiber loop. > > We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes. -65 signal on both sides > and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions. > > Very happy with it so far. The software and management interface is > very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a > "constellation" feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM > signals look like. This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for > the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that > instead of trying to call out signal strengths. That made it a lot > easier to peak in. > > Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is > actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower. It is not very > fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the > politically correct way to put it. > > The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood. The fiber link was > costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself. > > Matt Larsen > vistabeam.com > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question
Greg... your looking at this from an outdoors service provider aspect. The gear isn't designed for that. Its for indoor deployments (although there are people using it to do outdoor service). Put a bullet with a 10dBi antenna and a Ruckus AP next to each other indoors... test from a few locations, and test with throughput, not receive level... and the results will speak for themselves :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 6:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question As APs I'm running Bullets with gain antennas, PS2's and NS2's so I've got the gain and great signals. I'm in a place where there's no interference of any kind. I'm already in the "sweet spot" as far as signal strength goes and clients are connecting at 54Mbps. What more is there to gain? Greg On Nov 22, 2009, at 8:09 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote: > Your average Wi-Fi AP comes with a 3dBi antenna or even a unity gain > antenna... every 3-dB increase is double the power... > > The trick though isn't that its pointing a 10dBi antenna pattern at a > client, its that its taking it one step further and pointing that at the > best possible path to the client, which in an indoor environment is rarely > the most direct path. > > I could pull out a few graphs that Ruckus has done to illustrate the > point... but the Toms Hardware article is the most unbiased review of the > gear out there > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com > Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 4:02 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question > > Seems hard to believe that if I took a 10dbi antenna which isn't all that > much gain and put it on my AP and pointed it at my client I'd see that much > of a gain. > > Greg > > On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:43 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote: > >> There are over 4,000 antenna patterns, with the relative gain of the best >> ones up to 10dBi... the magic is though that the AP also uses the patterns >> they transmit on to receive on... so the gain is bi-directional instead of >> blasting the signal out but not having any mechanism in place for the > client >> to be heard. The AP can also selectively put noise in up to a -15dBi >> null... which can be helpful. >> >> I would be curious in what indoor environment there isn't multi-path :-) >> >> Anyways, if you have doubts... Tom's Hardware (which is as unbiased as it >> gets) did some testing against Cisco and Aruba. If you want to see the >> power of beamforming, I'd encourage you to read this article all the way >> through. It gives a very detailed explanation of the magic behind Ruckus. >> >> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/beamforming-wifi-ruckus,2390.html >> >> >> Daniel White >> 3-dB Networks >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com >> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:26 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question >> >> Does Ruckus state their antenna gain anywhere? If their "beam forming" > gain >> isn't all that much higher than the competition's omni gain then the >> performance couldn't be all that much better unless there's noise or multi >> path issues. >> >> Greg >> >> On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:13 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote: >> >>> Depends on your definition of economical :-) >>> >>> Ruckus has meshing built in to all of their AP's... plus with the antenna >>> array built into these babies you can usually get by with deploying 1/2 > as >>> many AP's... so it can end up costing less than a roll your own Mikrotik >>> system >>> >>> Daniel White >>> 3-dB Networks >>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:01 PM >>> To: wireless@wispa.org >>> Subject: [WISPA] Indoor dep
Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question
The gear isn't designed to be deployed in a house in suburbia (well with the exception of media flex)... it competes in the enterprise market with Cisco, Aruba, Meraki, Aerohive, Symbol, etc. etc. etc. Its designed to be deployed in schools, in hospitals, in hotels, in the SMB... where there is no IT staff to learn Mikrotik and where performance is critical. There is a whole laundry list of features Ruckus has that are patented... beamforming is just the cool one for the geeks. Read up on the 802.11n protocol... and you will see beamforming is part of it. Ruckus holds a lot of patents on their antenna technology... which complicates other vendors from doing it. Furthermore, it's all about how a company looks at Wi-Fi. Almost every other companies AP is an AP is an AP with very similar characteristics, because the engineers focus on the software or feature sets and let the chipset manufacturers do all of the radio design. Ruckus realizes to truly make Wi-Fi better you have to make the antenna array, the radio, all better too. I was skeptical of the product once too... then I saw what it could do in person and was amazed. I've now had the joy of showing off the product to plenty of IT staff, people that get Wi-Fi, etc and see their jaws drop when they see what this product can actually do. In the Toms Hardware test... the Aruba gear was in there to provide the baseline for everyone else's Wi-Fi. The results speak for themselves. To each their own, for sure :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 6:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question Does a sector work any better when there's no interference or when there's just a few clients? In a highly urban area like an apartment building that's flooded with microwave ovens, cordless phones etc sure. But what about a house in suburbia where there's no real interference? I guess that Ruckus is the only one doing it makes me question the urgency. Though I have to admit that at one time I was considering deploying their products. I like the concept and I'd love to try them. But I fell prey to the allure of MT and UBNT and once I started deploying that I wanted to stay compatible. I think now my dream machine would be any great hardware (at a good price) that could run RouterOS. I would love to see UBNT and MT get together on some gear. To each is own. Greg On Nov 22, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > No, because it does beamforming. I believe Dan said it can use 4000 > different antenna patterns. > > What's better performing, an omni with a 30 dB radio or say an array of 6 > sectors? What about 4000 sectors? > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: > Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 4:57 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question > >> Yeah, I saw that, many times. Are there any other reviews? I suspect the >> good performance over and above a regular high quality AP is that it's >> dual band mesh. The Ruckus gear is dual band mesh right? I get a lot of >> hits when I Google "ruckus dual band mesh mediaflex" but the Ruckus site >> isn't totally clear. Could a little more directional gain really make that >> much difference? I suspect head to head with other dual band mesh gear the >> Ruckus gear would prove to be similar in performance. It needs to be an >> apples to apples comparison. >> >> Greg >> >> On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/beamforming-wifi-ruckus,2390.html >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: >>> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 4:26 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question >>> >>>> Does Ruckus state their antenna gain anywhere? If their "beam forming" >>>> gain isn't all that much higher than the competition's omni gain then >>>> the >>>> performance couldn't be all that much better unless there's noise or >>>> multi >>>> path issues. >>>> >>>> Greg >>>> >>>> On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:13 PM,
Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question
Your average Wi-Fi AP comes with a 3dBi antenna or even a unity gain antenna... every 3-dB increase is double the power... The trick though isn't that its pointing a 10dBi antenna pattern at a client, its that its taking it one step further and pointing that at the best possible path to the client, which in an indoor environment is rarely the most direct path. I could pull out a few graphs that Ruckus has done to illustrate the point... but the Toms Hardware article is the most unbiased review of the gear out there Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 4:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question Seems hard to believe that if I took a 10dbi antenna which isn't all that much gain and put it on my AP and pointed it at my client I'd see that much of a gain. Greg On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:43 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote: > There are over 4,000 antenna patterns, with the relative gain of the best > ones up to 10dBi... the magic is though that the AP also uses the patterns > they transmit on to receive on... so the gain is bi-directional instead of > blasting the signal out but not having any mechanism in place for the client > to be heard. The AP can also selectively put noise in up to a -15dBi > null... which can be helpful. > > I would be curious in what indoor environment there isn't multi-path :-) > > Anyways, if you have doubts... Tom's Hardware (which is as unbiased as it > gets) did some testing against Cisco and Aruba. If you want to see the > power of beamforming, I'd encourage you to read this article all the way > through. It gives a very detailed explanation of the magic behind Ruckus. > > http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/beamforming-wifi-ruckus,2390.html > > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com > Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:26 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question > > Does Ruckus state their antenna gain anywhere? If their "beam forming" gain > isn't all that much higher than the competition's omni gain then the > performance couldn't be all that much better unless there's noise or multi > path issues. > > Greg > > On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:13 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote: > >> Depends on your definition of economical :-) >> >> Ruckus has meshing built in to all of their AP's... plus with the antenna >> array built into these babies you can usually get by with deploying 1/2 as >> many AP's... so it can end up costing less than a roll your own Mikrotik >> system >> >> Daniel White >> 3-dB Networks >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:01 PM >> To: wireless@wispa.org >> Subject: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question >> >> I would prefer copper to link indoor APs. If that won't work due to either >> technical issues or the customer just plain doesn't want holes drilled, is >> WDS pretty much the only financially viable alternative that properly >> bridges the network? Could do a boat-load of PtP links, but that'd be >> silly. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> > >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: htt
Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question
Only the 7962 and 7761 are dual-band mesh... the rest is straight 2.4GHz. Mediaflex is their in-home equipment for streaming HD video... only wi-fi manufacturer on the planet that can do that well :-) Metroflex is their muni wi-fi client device line Zoneflex is the product line that most people are going to look at (for SMB's, hotels, etc. etc.). If I get 7dB more directional gain than your standard AP... you bet its going to make a big difference. That's a 200% increase. Plus the gear is smart enough to not try and blast through walls. For instance... did a site survey this last week in a 100 year old building with foot thick solid stone walls. Put the AP in a room one plaster wall away from that solid wall... and was getting full throughput outside in the courtyard. The product is smart enough to know that bouncing off the wall through a window is the best path over brute force. I have yet to see anyone argue that the antenna technology is something other than a work of art once they have seen what it can do in person. If you're serious about purchasing some gear, I could probably setup a demo for you. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question Yeah, I saw that, many times. Are there any other reviews? I suspect the good performance over and above a regular high quality AP is that it's dual band mesh. The Ruckus gear is dual band mesh right? I get a lot of hits when I Google "ruckus dual band mesh mediaflex" but the Ruckus site isn't totally clear. Could a little more directional gain really make that much difference? I suspect head to head with other dual band mesh gear the Ruckus gear would prove to be similar in performance. It needs to be an apples to apples comparison. Greg On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/beamforming-wifi-ruckus,2390.html > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: > Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 4:26 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question > >> Does Ruckus state their antenna gain anywhere? If their "beam forming" >> gain isn't all that much higher than the competition's omni gain then the >> performance couldn't be all that much better unless there's noise or multi >> path issues. >> >> Greg >> >> On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:13 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote: >> >>> Depends on your definition of economical :-) >>> >>> Ruckus has meshing built in to all of their AP's... plus with the antenna >>> array built into these babies you can usually get by with deploying 1/2 >>> as >>> many AP's... so it can end up costing less than a roll your own Mikrotik >>> system >>> >>> Daniel White >>> 3-dB Networks >>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:01 PM >>> To: wireless@wispa.org >>> Subject: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question >>> >>> I would prefer copper to link indoor APs. If that won't work due to >>> either >>> technical issues or the customer just plain doesn't want holes drilled, >>> is >>> WDS pretty much the only financially viable alternative that properly >>> bridges the network? Could do a boat-load of PtP links, but that'd be >>> silly. >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> -
Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question
Depends on what your comparing it to. If you compare it to Cisco, Aruba, Meraki, Symbol, etc. it almost always comes out cheaper. It's not Mikrotik cheap, or Linksys off the shelf cheap... but you get what you pay for Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question I actually forgot about Ruckus. Their SME devices are too expensive, but the 7111 might not be bad. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "3-dB Networks" Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 4:13 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question > Depends on your definition of economical :-) > > Ruckus has meshing built in to all of their AP's... plus with the antenna > array built into these babies you can usually get by with deploying 1/2 as > many AP's... so it can end up costing less than a roll your own Mikrotik > system > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:01 PM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question > > I would prefer copper to link indoor APs. If that won't work due to either > technical issues or the customer just plain doesn't want holes drilled, is > WDS pretty much the only financially viable alternative that properly > bridges the network? Could do a boat-load of PtP links, but that'd be > silly. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question
There are over 4,000 antenna patterns, with the relative gain of the best ones up to 10dBi... the magic is though that the AP also uses the patterns they transmit on to receive on... so the gain is bi-directional instead of blasting the signal out but not having any mechanism in place for the client to be heard. The AP can also selectively put noise in up to a -15dBi null... which can be helpful. I would be curious in what indoor environment there isn't multi-path :-) Anyways, if you have doubts... Tom's Hardware (which is as unbiased as it gets) did some testing against Cisco and Aruba. If you want to see the power of beamforming, I'd encourage you to read this article all the way through. It gives a very detailed explanation of the magic behind Ruckus. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/beamforming-wifi-ruckus,2390.html Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question Does Ruckus state their antenna gain anywhere? If their "beam forming" gain isn't all that much higher than the competition's omni gain then the performance couldn't be all that much better unless there's noise or multi path issues. Greg On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:13 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote: > Depends on your definition of economical :-) > > Ruckus has meshing built in to all of their AP's... plus with the antenna > array built into these babies you can usually get by with deploying 1/2 as > many AP's... so it can end up costing less than a roll your own Mikrotik > system > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:01 PM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question > > I would prefer copper to link indoor APs. If that won't work due to either > technical issues or the customer just plain doesn't want holes drilled, is > WDS pretty much the only financially viable alternative that properly > bridges the network? Could do a boat-load of PtP links, but that'd be > silly. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question
Depends on your definition of economical :-) Ruckus has meshing built in to all of their AP's... plus with the antenna array built into these babies you can usually get by with deploying 1/2 as many AP's... so it can end up costing less than a roll your own Mikrotik system Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:01 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question I would prefer copper to link indoor APs. If that won't work due to either technical issues or the customer just plain doesn't want holes drilled, is WDS pretty much the only financially viable alternative that properly bridges the network? Could do a boat-load of PtP links, but that'd be silly. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BX Towers
Is 18 sq. ft. enough wind loading? The dishes would be 14 sq. ft. or so off the bat... add in the sectors, radio, and cable... and your past 100% loaded. Better to spend the money on a lot more wind loading then you will need than to see your tower come crashing to the ground. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 8:53 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] BX Towers Good, bad, ugly? Looking at their extra heavy duty 40'. It has an 18 sq. ft. wind load @ 70 mph. Though not as strong, it seems to be about half the price of a Super Titan S100 of equivalent height. Looking for it to hold 2 up to 3' dishes, 2x 5 GHz sectors, and 4x 900 MHz sectors (whenever UBNT comes out with them). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ?
I imagine at some point your going to have to upgrade. I could see the requirement being that all new radios will be hard coded with the United States region code, and then they will force that you will have to have that same region code set at the AP. Once that occurs. either you accept the poorer implementation of DFS (pre 9.5) with more false detections or you update to 9.5 and grin and bear it. This is pure speculation though. >From a realistic standpoint. eventually you will probably want/have to upgrade to get a new feature, etc. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ? It's "iffy" because the FCC allowed the specific band, and now they are trying to take it back away... two years later. If I never upgrade my radios, does that mean I'm legal to run in that specific band forever? I just don't understand how they can allow it for 2 years, and then try and take it away and think they are going to clean up the airways. Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: Motorola Canopy 5.4GHz radios updated with the latest firmware cannot transmit in the 5600-5650 part of the band. I don't understand what is "iffy" about the band... Canopy operators have been using it for two years or so now legally, and while DFS still has issues in its current implementation, the FCC is working to make the DFS detection better on the radio side and in turn make it harder to radio manufacturers to allow clients to avoid using DFS Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 11:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ? 5470 - 5725 is a legitimate band but DFS2 must be used on the radios. There is currently FCC activity to modify the DFS profiles for all newly-certified radios to avoid aircraft radar system in the 5.6 GHz part of the 5470-5725 band. The bottom line is - it's pretty "iffy". jack Forbes Mercy wrote: My new MIMO radios have 5.6 GHZ on them, I don't recall that frequency being available in the US. Is it? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ?
Motorola Canopy 5.4GHz radios updated with the latest firmware cannot transmit in the 5600-5650 part of the band. I don't understand what is "iffy" about the band... Canopy operators have been using it for two years or so now legally, and while DFS still has issues in its current implementation, the FCC is working to make the DFS detection better on the radio side and in turn make it harder to radio manufacturers to allow clients to avoid using DFS Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 11:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ? 5470 - 5725 is a legitimate band but DFS2 must be used on the radios. There is currently FCC activity to modify the DFS profiles for all newly-certified radios to avoid aircraft radar system in the 5.6 GHz part of the 5470-5725 band. The bottom line is - it's pretty "iffy". jack Forbes Mercy wrote: > My new MIMO radios have 5.6 GHZ on them, I don't recall that frequency > being available in the US. Is it? > > Forbes > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ?
Part of the 5.4GHz band Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 4:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.6 GHZ? My new MIMO radios have 5.6 GHZ on them, I don't recall that frequency being available in the US. Is it? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Times Microwave EZ connectors
I have some EZ-400 NM on the shelf and a ton of EZ-400-FM-75's Please hit me offlist if you like. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 11:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Times Microwave EZ connectors I've run out of these, and none of the vendors I use commonly carry them. Anyone out west have these? Yeah, I know, it costs more to buy two of these than a whole pre-built 10 foot cable, but every danged pre-built I buy has water issues. We have never had to seal any of the cables we built ourselves, and none of them have ever leaked (except when someone who'll forever remain nameless forgot to tighten the cable...), but I have no luck at all with the pre-made I've bought from multiple places. Our temporary site needed to go up in a real hurry, so I bought a whole pile of parts and cables, and most of them have had issues. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas
Try Advanced Antenna... I've sold a few and have not heard any complaints... have not seen them myself though. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas Hi All, What are you using for grid antennas? I really don't like the Pac Wireless ones. But I need something new because the Andrew (can't remember the new name) ones are being discontinued. Suggestions? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Yes... although be careful what surge suppressors you use :-) Dragonwave also uses GigE with PoE for instance on the Horizon Compact. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 > There's the confusion. Â 2 "standards". Â One with 4 pair and one with 2 pair. > Gotta love standards. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabit_Ethernet#1000BASE-T The Motorola PTP600 has a GigE port and POE. So will POE still work with GigE? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Yep... I wouldn't use this specific product in a house... but it's the only VDSL equipment I have firsthand experience with. http://tinyurl.com/yefhy2q Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 Is that both directions? Maybe thats the answer to Forbes question? -RickG On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:26 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote: > VDSL equipment can get up to the 70Mbps range or so... > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:07 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 > > Those old phone line units could only do 1Mbps. > My question was: Can anyone show me reliable equipment that will do > 100Mbps+ > on cat 3? Not according to this: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable or my experience. If such an > animal exists, I could use it, which is why I asked. > We may be in game of semantics here. Can you get 100Mbps? I suppose a short > cable on the bench might do it but not in the field reliably. In my > experience, in order to get a reliable connection over cat 3, I had to lock > down the switch ports to 10Mbps. I would never claim to know it all but > I've > been around the block a time or two. The windings are to cancel out EMF > which can cause errors that affect speed due to transmission retries. The > speed capability of a cable is due to the quality of its wire rating - > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_5_cable and > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_6_cable > Obviously, by utilizing more that 2 pair, you can do some interesting > things. > -RickG > > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Robert West > wrote: > > > Phone line is twisted pair and normally 2 pair. Transmit and receive. > Can > > easily do 100mbps. You could even get it to do gigabit with not much > > effort. No PoE though, no pair for that. HOWEVER, the problems come from > > the nasty connections everyone including the phone company has made. > Most > > phone line isn't "clean" like a network cable you would run. Who knows > > where the hell the splices and rodent chewed ends are at and if they > stick > > with a common wiring scheme throughout the structure. If it was the best > > option, you could at least test and give up quickly if it fell on its > face. > > > > There used to be some home networking nics that used the phone lines in > the > > home and you could also use the phones with the things connected. That > was > > in the late 1990's, early 2000. Some Gateway desktops came with them. I > > never saw them used though. > > > > Bob- > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of RickG > > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:02 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 > > > > That would be great! But, I cant find anything on the net except > references > > to the standard being 10Mbps: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable > > Any examples? > > > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Kevin Neal wrote: > > > > > With the right equipment I've heard of gigabit over rusted old > barbwire! > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM, RickG wrote: > > > > 100Mbps on cat 3? Really? > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Forbes Mercy > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the > house. > > > >> My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the > > same > > > >> as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone > line? > > > >> Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring > > is > > > >> virtually unused. > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> Forbes > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > &
Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
VDSL equipment can get up to the 70Mbps range or so... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 Those old phone line units could only do 1Mbps. My question was: Can anyone show me reliable equipment that will do 100Mbps+ on cat 3? Not according to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable or my experience. If such an animal exists, I could use it, which is why I asked. We may be in game of semantics here. Can you get 100Mbps? I suppose a short cable on the bench might do it but not in the field reliably. In my experience, in order to get a reliable connection over cat 3, I had to lock down the switch ports to 10Mbps. I would never claim to know it all but I've been around the block a time or two. The windings are to cancel out EMF which can cause errors that affect speed due to transmission retries. The speed capability of a cable is due to the quality of its wire rating - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_5_cable and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_6_cable Obviously, by utilizing more that 2 pair, you can do some interesting things. -RickG On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Robert West wrote: > Phone line is twisted pair and normally 2 pair. Transmit and receive. Can > easily do 100mbps. You could even get it to do gigabit with not much > effort. No PoE though, no pair for that. HOWEVER, the problems come from > the nasty connections everyone including the phone company has made. Most > phone line isn't "clean" like a network cable you would run. Who knows > where the hell the splices and rodent chewed ends are at and if they stick > with a common wiring scheme throughout the structure. If it was the best > option, you could at least test and give up quickly if it fell on its face. > > There used to be some home networking nics that used the phone lines in the > home and you could also use the phones with the things connected. That was > in the late 1990's, early 2000. Some Gateway desktops came with them. I > never saw them used though. > > Bob- > > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:02 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 > > That would be great! But, I cant find anything on the net except references > to the standard being 10Mbps: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable > Any examples? > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Kevin Neal wrote: > > > With the right equipment I've heard of gigabit over rusted old barbwire! > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM, RickG wrote: > > > 100Mbps on cat 3? Really? > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Forbes Mercy > > > wrote: > > > > > >> We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house. > > >> My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the > same > > >> as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line? > > >> Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring > is > > >> virtually unused. > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Forbes > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > >> > > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > >> > > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >
Re: [WISPA] T1 radios needed
Radwin Winlink 1000... I'll send a quote offlist Matt Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 4:31 PM To: WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] T1 radios needed Hi all, I have a situation where I need to come up with a couple of links that can do T1 connectivity for a cell phone company. We have tried Moto PTP400 radios with Flanger T1 converters, but they do not work with the cell switches.Does anyone here have a recommendation for links that have single T1 capability? The links are 14 miles and 15 miles.5ghz is preferred. Budget is about $3000 maximum per link.Data throughput is not important. Vendors, feel free to hit me offlist. All assistance is greatly appreciated! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay.
I'd agree... 900MHz is in general a little bit more black magic because it is non line of site usually... but comparing Canopy 900MHz and SR9/XR9 900MHz seems to be two different worlds. For equipment, you can do less than $300 per client for Canopy 900MHz... although AP's will be more than the M-tik AP's Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:15:41AM -0800, MDK wrote: > In some places, we do 900 gear, and that's still a $300+ install cost. Or, > we eat most of it if the customer will pay a year in advance. 900 is > reserved to the "absolutely nothing else will work" locations, as it's such > a finicky and persnickety beast.Channel changes due to weather or > temperature or humidity changes, and all sorts of other grief, as well, > including a lot of SR9 failures. (use xr9's now) You're taking the finicky and persnickety approach to 900. We don't have that grief with Alvarion/Trango, and Canopy people probably don't have the same grief. We still reserve 900 as a last option, as it's slower and more expensive than line-of-sight options. > > -- > From: "jp" > Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:32 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddatadeliveryis here to stay. > > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 09:17:58AM -0800, MDK wrote: > >> I guess you could call me "lucky" in that I have access to darn good > >> rates. > >> > >> I'm currently at $60/mbit and working to see if my provider will give me > >> a > >> break for doubling my commit. > > > > Continued business with you should be important. If you offer to pay the > > same and get more bandwidth, that should work for everyone. > > > >> We're also looking at deploying either Ubnt's M based equipment or > >> someone > >> else's if anyone ever comes up with something workable and affordable, as > >> an > >> addition to our already deployed network. > > > > I've found the rocket5m to work pretty good with 2' dishes for ptp > > links. The speed is real and it runs well. It does needs a minor work > > around in that the automatic distance setting does not work, you need to > > manually set it, plus 15%. I can get 100mbit no problem with 20mhz > > spectrum. > > > > This is serious praise, as I generally prefer midrange or higher end > > stuff like Alvarion, Trango, and I generally have serious reservations > > about the cheap stuff for honest calculated reasons. > > > >> We initially had a bandwidth cost of of about $6/customer, it reached a > >> low > >> of about $3.3 a year or two after starting, and now it's back up to a > >> little > >> less than $5 / customer. We've raised our rates 50 cents, cut our > >> administrative costs by $.70 for most customers by changing to EFT > >> payments, > >> and now we're trying to figure out how to keep up with our expected 3X > >> use > >> of data transfer and still keep our bandwidth costs within our planned > >> maximum of $8 over the next 3 years. > > > > I've never raised rates in 15 years and use that as a differentiator > > between us and the standard practices of the duopoly cable/telephone > > competition. (We keep rates a little higher to begin with) > > > >> We have some strategies to help with this, one of them is to offer a > >> premium > >> service to residences that has higher than cable or dsl speeds for around > >> $225-250 / mo, and it appears we can deliver this to over 90% of our > >> service > >> area at a moderate investment. > >> > >> Also, we're liscensing up big time for deploying 3.65 in a PtMP scheme > >> over > >> a sizeable area, as well. > >> > >> About a year ago, my biggest competitor began deploying stuff that looks > >> identical to mine, though I know that it's Mikrotik inside instead of > >> Star-OS. It's time to make that big step up and be ahead again for a > >> while. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Fr
Re: [WISPA] Canopy 5.2 / 5.4 P9 SMs
I have some brand new never deployed P9 5250SM's... feel free to hit me offlist Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 8:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy 5.2 / 5.4 P9 SMs Anybody have some used Moto Canopy P9 5.2 or 5.4 sm's they want to part with (qty 3-5 in each band)? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
Etherwan. The EX9600 might be what you are looking for. I could probably quote it offlist if you like; it is the same switch Motorola uses in their CMM4's. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Field-variable sector antenna from arc?
MTI, Til-Tek, and Pac Wireless have made 2.4GHz variable sectors for awhile. The design concept works well... as for the Arc Brand specifically I'm not sure. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Field-variable sector antenna from arc? This seems like a great idea, but does it work? Anone out here tried one of these? http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf Tom S. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5
In cases like this I would always charge them to replace the cable, then try to push them to let me re-run the cable on the house so the dog didn't have access to it. I might be on site longer... but I'll get more money for the work and hopefully not have to go back again Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5 Never have found a repellant that work when a Dog has decided he likes the taste or feel the 18Vdc shock gets him. I even tried Pepper sauce and Mace on one. No Joy. Three answers: 1. Cover it with conduit. 2. Move the run out of the reach. 3. Shoot the Dog. Most people prefer option 1 or 2. But enough charges for replacing cable, 3 becomes and option. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5 Your local feed and grain or pet store should have aerosol dog repellent. Greg On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > I've had several customers that have had their dog chew on the Cat5 going > from the house to the TV tower and some of them multiple times. > > > > Anyone have ideas on how to keep the dog from chewing on the wire? I've got > one customer on their 3rd Cat5 run and going out right now to replace a > different customer that will be his 3rd one as well. > > > > I'm about ready to shoot the stinking dog.. > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
To interject a bit... Cricket is unlimited everything... that is actually how they market. They keep costs low by really only building in metropolitan areas and not subsidizing cell phone purchases (so all of their phones are crap). My wife has their service because a plan that meets her talk time and text requirements from other carriers would be at least $100 more a month. But the downside is their service is crap IMHO... half the time when I try to call her she is not getting good reception :-) In a way though, they get the users no one else would want. Users that will not sign contracts (read... plenty of illegal's who can't pass a credit check) and heavy users... like my wife. I'd rather be a Verizon than a Cricket as a WISP anyday :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing Unlimited cell phone? I don't buy it There's a limit, there always is. Also, is your "unlimited" cell phone program only $40 or $50 per month? If I could get the same $100 to $300 per month for internet that people often pay the cell companies I'd be able to sell them a LOT more service for the same price they are paying now. I could also put in much better hardware. Lets see, 600 subs at an average of $37 per month is $22,200 per month. 600 subs at an average of $150 per month is $90,000 per month (and the same number of people needed). http://www.wirefly.com/learn/wireless_news/jd-power-analyzes-average-cell-ph one-bill/ According to JD Power the average cell bill is $77 per month. So 600 subs at an average of $77 per month is $46,200. Still much nicer than my current $27 per month :-). How did we end up in this situation? grin marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing The cellular guys don't charge by the minute... I have an unlimited plan on my cell phone. I can also get unlimited text and internet access for $9.95/mo extra. People don't want to guess what their internet bills are going to be from month to month. Would you want that at your own home? Travis Microserv Gary Garrett wrote: You sound like the cell phone company. I am convinced the big failure in my business model is I charge by the month while the cellular guys charge by the minute. Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, You are talking about having to add additional resources (radius, etc.) to track it. Then you have to bill it. Then you get to deal with the phone calls from users that say "My computer wasn't even turned on during those times. Remove the charge or I will go elsewhere." So, even that one extra phone call costs you money (because you have to think about scaling). Imagine if you have 100x the number of customers you have now... does the same solution work? Probably not. The easier solution would be to call that customer and get them to upgrade to the next plan up (which would provide higher speed as well). This works very well for us... and then I have that guaranteed extra income each month, even if they don't use it. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists
Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client
I am... my guess is when some of these muni-mesh networks went belly up... these things were on the street cheap brand new. So its probably new old stock... that's a great price on them. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client You referring to this? http://www.wlanparts.com/product/MM2211-DZ?meta=FRG&utm_source=GBASE&utm_med ium=CPC&utm_content=&utm_campaign= Looks like it's well under $100. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:28 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client Ruckus Metroflex. That is what most Muni-Wifi deployments use. They will be right at the $100 mark or a little bit more Tessco should have good pricing on them. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:19 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Hotspot Client So it seems that more often then not I run into the person that is right on the edge of our hotspot coverage. Normally they hear us pretty well, but we don't hear them that great. AP, is stronger then a laptop so it happens. We are looking for a client, USB, Ethernet anything. That is cheap (Less then about $100) anything that works well and is a little more juiced up then most laptops with built in wireless. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
Ruckus Wireless has beamforming (i.e. smart antenna technology)... does it on a packet by packet basis. But it's a WiFi system (although from what I understand its being deployed overseas now in Muni-Wifi situations... I just proposed to someone using Ubquity Nanostations to them). Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 2:40 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions > >Correction, under the 3 for one rule you can go UP 3 dB in antenna gain >for every 1 dB of radio transmit power that you go down, but only for >client side or ptp installations. It STARTS at 30 dB radio and 6dB >antenna. > >So if you have a 30dB radio, it's a 6dB antenna. 29dB radio you can use >a 9dB antenna. > >28-12 >27-15 >26-18 >25-21 >24-24 >This is the one that excited me years ago. This meant I could use a >quarter watt amp, 24dB with a 24dB grid for a ptp link! That'll give >you a -72dB rssi (54 meg speeds!) at 100 miles! Get this one, -78dB >rssi at 200 (not a typo, two HUNDRED MILES)! I love big antennas! grin > >Again, this is only for 2.4 client side installs (radio only talks to >ONE other radio). > >There is a bit of an exception to this rule based on smart antenna >technology. One that no one has successfully used (as far as I know). >Vivato and Nivini tried. We (WISPA) did get the FCC to issue a written >interpretation of the rules allowing us to use routed AP's as a >substitute for active beam steering systems (in the end it has the same >effect). > >In theory we COULD ring a building with 24dB grid antennas with 24dB >radios for a 42 WATT system and still be within the power level rules. >In reality though, antennas are too "leaky" and you'd be hard pressed to >avoid massive self inflicted interference. I always wanted to try >building a system like this though! grin. (disclaimer, it's been a >while since I studied that part of the rules, the max output power could >be lower than 42 watts.) > >laters, >marlon > > - Original Message - > From: Jack Unger > To: WISPA General List > Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 12:17 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions > > > EIRP is a TRANSMIT number. "Equivalent isotropic RADIATED power". This >is the radiated power on transmit in dBm leaving the transmit antenna in >the favored direction compared to the power that would be radiated if 1 >milliwatt (0 dBm) were fed into a theoretical isotropic antenna that had >0 dBi (no) gain in any direction. > > EIRP = TX power (minus) transmission line loss (plus) antenna gain = >EIRP > > Further, > > 2.4 GHz allows more than 6 dBi antennas even with 1-watt radios under >the "3:1" rule for point-to-point use. This is why CPE can run more than >+36 dBm because the CPE are effectively point-to-point radios talking to >only one access point. The AP is NOT a point-to-point radio therefore it >is limited a maximum EIRP of +36 dBm. > > 5.8 GHz allows more than 6 dBi antennas with 1-watt radios for point- >to-point use. That's how those long 5.8 GHz backhauls can be made to >work reliably. > > jack > > > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >Yeah. > >People all too often forget that eirp is a RECEIVE number not a TRANSMIT >number. All it takes is big, big ears and you can hear the other end >from a >very long ways away. Makes for much less noise in the area too. > >I hate the trend toward high power radios with low power antennas. > >You guys do realize that 2.4, 900 and 5.8 gig bands limit you to a 6 >(that's >S-I-X) dB antenna if you use a 1 watt (30 dB) radio? Base station >especially. For CPE you can use higher gain cpe antennas on 5 gig and >still >be OK within the rules. > >But all of these stupid, noisy, wasteful, cpe systems with 1 watt radios >and >19dB panels make a mess of your networks. (and mine) > >marlon > >- Original Message - >From: "Mike Hammett" >To: "WISPA General List" >Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 10:50 AM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions > > > 30 dB EIRP with a 44 DBi antenna on each side over 73 miles produces - >75 >signal. I'll let him say what he did to make it work, but it's >certainly >possible. > > >- >Mike Hammett >Intelligent Computing Solutions >http://www.ics-il.com > > > > >From: Bret Clark >Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:02 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] B
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
Yes. 20MHz channel. but uses H-pol and V-pol Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Hi, Does the Radwin require dual-polarity antennas? How large of channel size to get the 100Mbps? Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: Eric, I can only answer the non-MT questions :-) For roughly $3,700 you could get a Radwin 2000 link, which is a quad-band (2.4GHz, 5.2GHz, 5.4GHz, 5.8GHz) radio capable of 50Mbps each direction (or 100Mb aggregate). It does not support GPS sync, but instead supports HSS, which allows all co-located backhauls to be synced together. If your interested hit me offlist for more info. Any backhaul should technically support VoIP... the question becomes the PPS capability so you can determine how many calls at once you can handle. With 64 byte frames the Radwin 2000 can achieve 37,000 PPS... so it should handle most VoIP applications with no problems. QoS could also be important... but since it is a bridge you can prioritize at each end with MT routers. Radwin also offers QoS in the radio. IMHO... nothing supports any real throughput at 12 miles in the 5.4GHz band... legally. Personally I feel 5.4GHz is limited to more like 5 miles or so... although YMMV depending on the noise floor and the specific equipment/modulation used. I think Ligowave can technically get close to 60Mbps with a 40MHz channel... but 40MHz in one polarity is a lot to burn IMO. UbquiToy might be able to achieve the throughput... but I would check the PPS and strongly question the interference rejection capability. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid it couldn't handle much more. We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola PTP for future capacity. The questions: MT Gurus: Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3 backhauls) and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls). Since we have been using Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel. How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using NStreme? Other Gurus: I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around $1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30 each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be able to push 30M each way). If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of equipment should I look at? What can support VoIP? Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse? Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions
Eric, I can only answer the non-MT questions :-) For roughly $3,700 you could get a Radwin 2000 link, which is a quad-band (2.4GHz, 5.2GHz, 5.4GHz, 5.8GHz) radio capable of 50Mbps each direction (or 100Mb aggregate). It does not support GPS sync, but instead supports HSS, which allows all co-located backhauls to be synced together. If your interested hit me offlist for more info. Any backhaul should technically support VoIP... the question becomes the PPS capability so you can determine how many calls at once you can handle. With 64 byte frames the Radwin 2000 can achieve 37,000 PPS... so it should handle most VoIP applications with no problems. QoS could also be important... but since it is a bridge you can prioritize at each end with MT routers. Radwin also offers QoS in the radio. IMHO... nothing supports any real throughput at 12 miles in the 5.4GHz band... legally. Personally I feel 5.4GHz is limited to more like 5 miles or so... although YMMV depending on the noise floor and the specific equipment/modulation used. I think Ligowave can technically get close to 60Mbps with a 40MHz channel... but 40MHz in one polarity is a lot to burn IMO. UbquiToy might be able to achieve the throughput... but I would check the PPS and strongly question the interference rejection capability. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Eric Rogers >Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:31 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions > >Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently >have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we >have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a >tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid >it couldn't handle much more. We upgraded that backhaul to a Motorola >PTP for future capacity. > > > >The questions: > > > >MT Gurus: > >Each backhaul ranges in distance, each ranges from 3 miles (3 backhauls) >and the rest are about 12 miles (5 backhauls). Since we have been using >Mikrotik, I have reliably seen up to 10 Meg, and I am afraid 15 Meg is >pushing the envelope on a 20 MHz channel. > > > >How much capacity can I reliably push on a 20 MHz channel using NStreme? > > > >Other Gurus: > >I understand the following are loaded questions, but budget is around >$1000-3000 range and the capacity needs to be around the 60Meg mark (30 >each way or without a defined 1:1 guarantee, capability to flex and be >able to push 30M each way). > > > >If I start upgrading to larger backhauls on busy links, what type of >equipment should I look at? > >What can support VoIP? > >Anything that GPS times for frequency reuse? > >Anything work in the 5.4GHz range at a 12 mile distance? > > > >Eric Rogers > >Precision Data Solutions, LLC > >(317) 831-3000 x200 > > > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Lead For Alvarion WiMAX CPE's
Hopefully this helps someone! Qty 105 available from them I believe. Please contact Christine... she does not work for our company (or have any ties to it) Part number: BMAX-CPE-ODU-PRO-SA-3.5 BreezeMAX PRO CPE (outdoor WiMAX devices) Comprised of an Outdoor radio unit (ODU) and indoor network interface unit (IDU) Christine Newman Senior Key Account Manager - PICS Telecom Phone: (585) 295-2000 ext. 237 Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni
Actually I think this antenna would work perfect for what he wants http://www.mtiwe.com/uploads/product/239.pdf And I doubt that spec sheet is BS (but then again I don't build antennas myself :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of ccrum >Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:48 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni > >You won't find a 5 GHz omni at that gain, and if you do, I'd call BS. >The vertical beamwidth on an 16dB omni antenna at almost any frequency >will be so flat that the antenna would be practically useless. We make a >9-10dB 5.7-5.8 H-pol omni for ourselves, but very few as we just don't >use that many. If you need H-pol, hit me offlist. Otherwise, there are >plenty of good 5 GHz 9 and 10 dB V-pol omni's commercially available. > >Cameron > >Michael Baird wrote: >> Tom, >> >> This would not be serving any customers, all the locations will be at >> least 100ft+. >> >> Regards >> Michael Baird >> >>> I'd be cautious about those Pancake shaped OMNI patterns at 16 DB. >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Michael Baird" >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:27 PM >>> Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> I need a 5.8 Omni to feed some smaller sites via WDS, looking for >some >>>> recommendations was hoping for 16 db but can't seem to find any. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Michael Baird >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> > >>>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >>>> Checked by AVG. >>>> Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: >>>> 5/15/2009 6:16 AM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> - >--- >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> - >--- >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >-- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> -- >-- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni
This one is 15dBi minimum from MTI... http://www.mtiwe.com/uploads/product/239.pdf I'd expect to pay somewhere around $550 or so for it though Other than that I have only seen 10 and 12dBi ones typically. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Michael Baird >Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:27 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni > >I need a 5.8 Omni to feed some smaller sites via WDS, looking for some >recommendations was hoping for 16 db but can't seem to find any. > >Regards >Michael Baird > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water
Jeremy, Spatial diversity on different polarities is going to be the best thing for you to overcome what your seeing. I'm not sure how easy that is to implement on a Mikrotik system... but I would strongly recommend looking at a system like the Radwin 2000 or Motorola Orthogon Radios... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Jeremy Parr >Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 7:21 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: [WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water > >I have a 23 mile link completely over water that I cannot get stable. >One end is approx 200ft AGL, 220ft ASL, the other end is 50' AGL, 90' >ASL. Antennas are V-Pol 29dbi grids, radios are R5H cards. I have >tried the link at both 5.2, and 5.8, but it still fluctuates >dramatically. When the antennas were installed and configured for a >5Mhz channel, I was able to aim them to -55, but still they go down >during parts of the day. I have a second antenna hung on the 200ft >end, at about 185', connected to a second R5H set up for H-Pol which I >am going to light up as soon as I get the other end mounted H-Pol. Any >other suggestions for getting this stable? I also notice some >strangeness when doing bandwidth tests. I can get a steady 8mbps >downstream from the 200ft end to the 50' end, but from the 50' end to >the 200ft end, the transfer starts at about 6mbps, then slowly drops >down to 0, and the client radio (the 50' end) drops. My assumption is >multipath reflections off of the water at the lower end, but I cannot >be sure. The water is tidal, with as much as a 3' change from low to >high, and is connected to the ocean, so there can be considerable chop >and wave action on the surface. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ubquity SR71USB
Anyone know who has these in stock? Thanks! Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need to beg borrow steal a Fluke Network Tester
You might want to check these out. We bought one to play with and have been reasonably impressed with it... especially for $500 http://www.bytebros.com/bb_tester/Real%20World%20Certifier.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Scott Carullo >Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:39 AM >To: wireless@wispa.org >Subject: [WISPA] Need to beg borrow steal a Fluke Network Tester > >Anyone know where I can get a Fluke network tester to give reports on >customer premise wiring job? > >I feel a one weeks rental fits my requirements the most. Thanks. > >Scott Carullo >Brevard Wireless >321-205-1100 x102 > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
The cable I linked to is outdoor rated/UV rated... not gel filled... I always thought that was a little extreme for non-burial applications. We had a lot of luck with that almond/beige color of that cable. Blends with most of the paint and roofs around here really well. We used to use white cable... man does that stick out on a roof! Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:21 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have > >Now that's funny. I've run into this stuff when others have used it. I >HATE the stuff. In poor light (or LED head lamp etc.) I can't tell the >light colors apart. > >For cable I've been using Shireen. >http://www.shireeninc.com/osc/product_info.php?products_id=97 > >He's out of my favorite right now. I guess people didn't like it but I >sure >do. Nusrat said he'd try to get some more of it in stock. It's a gel >filled cat5 with an EXTRA shield around it. So there are TWO layers of >outer jacket. And the "gel" is dry It doesn't make a mess of your >hands and/or tools. Once the gel gets wet it swells up and seals the >area, >forcing the water out. > >We have had NO problems of any kind when using this cable. > >I've got some of the foil shielded cable as well. We're now using it on >nearly all of our tower sites. So far so good. > >I used the indoor white cat 5 for a long time. People would much rather >have white cable run around the house than any other color. It's also >in a >nice box, easy to work with etc. But something changed a couple of >years >ago. Even out here, where it so seldom rains, we started getting water >in >the cables. It would find a hole somewhere, run down into the poe and >the >corrosion destroys the poe boxes. No more indoor cables out here. It's >a >little bit cheaper, but not enough so that it's worth the added cost of >re-cabling houses. >marlon > >- Original Message - >From: "3-dB Networks" >To: "'WISPA General List'" >Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:03 PM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have > > >>I strongly recommend this cable because I think it helps a lot telling >if >> you got the right color wire in the right hole. Sometimes finding >that >> stripe on the white can be difficult: http://tinyurl.com/ygxeywo >> >> >> Daniel White >> 3-dB Networks >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >> >> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >On >>>Behalf Of Tom DeReggi >>>Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:56 PM >>>To: WISPA General List >>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have >>> >>>But you're missing the point. >>>Yeah, Its definately not worth it, for those that can use the standard >>>CAT5s >>>effectively. >>>But your math assumes that they can, and not considering the other >>>costs. >>>The ROI is NOT on the time saved comparing successful installs, >>>comparing >>>both types. >>>The ROI is on time saved comparing costs of failed connector installs. >>> >>>What does it cost you if you crimp an end, and get a flaky crimp, and >>>the >>>link not work? How long does it take to figure out which side of the >>>cable >>>had the bad crimp? >>>A 25 cent RJ-45 becomes 50 cents, if you ahve to cut one off and >replace >>>it. >>>I can give an example of recently where I had to send a guy back into >>>the >>>city (half day's labor) to fix a packet loss problem caused by >defective >>>CAT5 plug terminations. >>>But most of the lost time was in the office troubleshooting the >>>defective >>>packloss link trying to find what was wrong. >>> >>>I can sympathise with eye sight degrating, in my older age :-( . >>>The error rate of successful CAT5 terminations go up, if eye sight is >>>going >>>down. >>> >>>The question to ask is are the installers having to high a failure >>>rate >>>for their first crimpts? If they are, then it may be a good >investment. >>>As well, I look at my time as worth $100/hr, and I'd gladly spend the >>>extra >>>$100 for connectors if it meant I was more likely to have sucessful >>>crimpts >>>the first time. >>>I
Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
A piece of 12 gauge solid copper wire always worked for me Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Mark McElvy >Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:19 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have > >Where do you get or call those 1ft long wires? > >Mark McElvy > > > >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:09 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have > >Travis, > >If you'll go through $200 per month in connectors these will save you at >least $500 in labor. > >It takes less than half the time to make a connection and they are NEVER >wrong. These and the Times LMR400 stripper have been some of the best >tools I've ever purchased. > >Those and a 1' long "wire" that slips just inside a cat5 cable so that >it can easily be pushed through a wall without getting hung up on the >insulation etc. > >Laters, >marlon > > - Original Message - > From: Travis Johnson > To: WISPA General List > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:00 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have > > > These do look great... and I would love to buy them for my >installers... but $.50 per connector compared to what I pay now would >cost me an extra $200 per month just in connectors. :( > > Travis > Microserv > > Mike wrote: >They DO sell shielded. Part PLT-100020-050 > Look further down the list at: www.ezrj45.com > > >At 11:13 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote: > Yeah, those are awesome. I wish they had shielded connectors as well. > >marlon > >- Original Message - >From: "Mike" >To: "WISPA General List" >Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:01 AM >Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have > > >I have learned a lot from this list. I think there is some real >talent lurking here. We all have discovered certain things which >just make life as a WISP easier. I think it would be beneficial to >list participants in general if there was a thread which contained a >description and use of something you find invaluable -- hardware, >software etc ... you would like to share with the group. > >I'll start: > >what: EZRJ-45 connector system >where: www.ezrj45.com >why: As my eyes get older, and especially in low light situations, I >find it very difficult to get all those individual conductors on a >CAT5 run in the right order while crimping an end. This is a quite >ingenious system. The plugs have holes all the way through. You can >verify the color code easily BEFORE crimping and cutting the >tags. It takes a special crimp tool which has a pair of blades that >cut the tags as it crimps the connector in place. Maybe not a time >saver in my case, but definitely a GRIEF saver. I've not miswired an >Ethernet plug since I started using this system. > >Mike > > > > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > >-- > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > >---
Re: [WISPA] Infinet - InfiMAN / InfiLINK 2x2 / B-NET B-300
Rolf, You might also want to check out this product... I've done some bench testing with it and was reasonably impressed. http://www.exaltcom.com/EX-5r-Series.aspx Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Rolf Mendelsohn >Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 5:44 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: [WISPA] Infinet - InfiMAN / InfiLINK 2x2 / B-NET B-300 > >Hi Guys, > >I'm wondering if any of you happen to have the InfiNET 2 x 2 or Alvarion >BreezeNET B-300 working and tested. > >http://www.infinetwireless.com/products-technologies/skyman-ng- >system/infilink-2x2 > >http://www.alvarion.com/index.php/en/products/breezenet/breezenetr-b > >We have a couple of high capacity backhauls, for which we have used >Motorola >PTP-600 (Orthogon), but they are very expensive & I am looking for >another >product which does similar throughput. > >Please let me know if anybody can share some experience here (on or even >off-list). > >Thanks, >Rolf > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
I strongly recommend this cable because I think it helps a lot telling if you got the right color wire in the right hole. Sometimes finding that stripe on the white can be difficult: http://tinyurl.com/ygxeywo Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Tom DeReggi >Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:56 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have > >But you're missing the point. >Yeah, Its definately not worth it, for those that can use the standard >CAT5s >effectively. >But your math assumes that they can, and not considering the other >costs. >The ROI is NOT on the time saved comparing successful installs, >comparing >both types. >The ROI is on time saved comparing costs of failed connector installs. > >What does it cost you if you crimp an end, and get a flaky crimp, and >the >link not work? How long does it take to figure out which side of the >cable >had the bad crimp? >A 25 cent RJ-45 becomes 50 cents, if you ahve to cut one off and replace >it. >I can give an example of recently where I had to send a guy back into >the >city (half day's labor) to fix a packet loss problem caused by defective >CAT5 plug terminations. >But most of the lost time was in the office troubleshooting the >defective >packloss link trying to find what was wrong. > >I can sympathise with eye sight degrating, in my older age :-( . >The error rate of successful CAT5 terminations go up, if eye sight is >going >down. > >The question to ask is are the installers having to high a failure >rate >for their first crimpts? If they are, then it may be a good investment. >As well, I look at my time as worth $100/hr, and I'd gladly spend the >extra >$100 for connectors if it meant I was more likely to have sucessful >crimpts >the first time. >I compare... Risking paying 25 cent extra verus risk spending extra $100 >in >time figuring out where I made the Crimp mistake. > >For the record, I do not use EZ-Rj45 plugs. But I understand the value >of >Using the best RJ-45Plugs, and the ROI is there. I personally like to >use >the the RJ45 Plugs sold by Shireen. >Ever since we started using them, terminations have been so much easier >and >successful. > >I like the Shireen plugs because they have just the right wire hole >diameters for the wire to slide in easy, and I can be certain that >they'll >slide into the right slots as I tried to align them to. >(Its becoming harder for me to tell the wire color once its inside the >Jack, >due to eyes). And I can be certain they'll crimp securely. > >I also got tired of the two peice CAT5 jacks, because I always kept >loosing >the second peices, and ended up having to throw away 20% of them that >would >be incomplete set. > > >Tom DeReggi >RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > >- Original Message - >From: "Josh Luthman" >To: "WISPA General List" >Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:15 PM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have > > >> At 200/mo you'd need at least one more customer per month. Don't see >> this happening by speeding up rj45 connectors. >> >> On 10/18/09, Travis Johnson wrote: >>> These do look great... and I would love to buy them for my >installers... >>> but >>> $.50 per connector compared to what I pay now would cost me an extra >$200 >>> per month just in connectors. :( >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> Mike wrote: >>>> >>>> They DO sell shielded. Part PLT-100020-050 >>>> Look further down the list at: www.ezrj45.com >>>> >>>> >>>> At 11:13 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, those are awesome. I wish they had shielded connectors as >well. >>>>> >>>>> marlon >>>>> >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "Mike" >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:01 AM >>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have learned a lot from this list. I think there is some real >>>>>> talent lurking here. We all have discovered certain things which >>>>>> just make life as a WISP easier. I think it would be beneficial >to >>>>>> list parti
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser
Butch, Cellular isn't that expensive when you're talking a few cars... if you're talking 30 patrol cars... I agree it's expensive. Heck, if the city has a ton of cell phones already they might be able to get the service free. I've heard of cities getting aircard equipment to do network monitoring type work at night when the network was offloaded for pennies a month. I agree that Mesh is way beyond what most departments need. Many police departments have two officers in their cars... so the second officer needs to be able to work on the laptop on the way to a call etc. Probably not a requirement here since it's a small town... but for instance one city I am working with now wants to be able to watch streaming video from security cameras while driving up to 75MPH... that's hard to do without a Mesh IMO. Also, I doubt that Homeland Security is paying for anything here or they wouldn't be hitting up Walmart for free laptops :-D For your last part... you didn't explain what you did for your network. What equipment was used, how it was configured, etc. I would suspect you ended up working around the 802.11 protocol to handle the roaming hand-offs better. It might not be a true mesh (meaning you have actual nodes meshing), but something similar must be done (more AP's than point to multipoint service to account for worse link budgets from omni's and typically NLOS shots). Generally it's also best to have the AP's below the trees... also kinda lends itself to a mesh. With that said... I'm not advocating any manufactures product here (I just happen to be the most familiar with Motorola's)... but if I was to build out a Mesh network, and mobility was required, I'd choose something that was designed for it and proven for it. Heck I'm really advocating air cards here... I've got no stake in that but realistically is probably the cheapest and best option for this police department assuming that there is decent 3G service there. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Butch Evans >Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:55 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from >Station to Cruiser > >On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 11:45 -0600, 3-dB Networks wrote: >> IMHO, the only way to do something like this where the office is >mobile is >> with cellular service > >I have done this MANY times without cellular and without mesh. Cellular >is too expensive and WAY too slow to be really very useful. Mesh is >simply not needed for what MOST of them need. > >> or to use a Mesh network designed for mobility (since 802.11G tends to >fall >> apart past 30MPH or so). > >You are thinking that an officer of the law is gonna be using the >network while driving at 30MPH+? If their need is to have it working >that way, then I would agree that it may be necessary to increase >coverage. > >> Unless this city want's to make a major investment in Mesh... I'd tell >him >> to stick with the cellular air cards (Verizon, AT&T, whatever) and be >done >> with it. > >In some cases, these networks have been paid for with Homeland Security >$$. No cost to the city. > >> Hacking together a solution is probably more effort than its >> worth, and there could be theoretical consequences if the network >doesn't >> operate correctly. > >Of course. It's all about explaining benefits and pitfalls. Once the >network needs are known (which they are not at this point), THEN a >solution is devised. > >For what it's worth, the second time I did this type of network, we >watched a LIVE streaming video from one cop car as it drove all over >town without more than a 1 second hiccup (which happened 2 times). >Additionally, he was talking to us via an 802.11g wireless voip phone >and NEVER lost the call. This was using a mixture of 2.4GHz 802.11b, >802.11g and 900MHz (Mikrotik 802.11a I think), if you're interested. >Not too bad for not having purchased, or even considered Moto. I think >to dismiss a technology outright before understanding what good >engineering can do is pretty short sighted. > >-- > >* Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >* http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * >* http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >* http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * > > > > >--
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from StationtoCruiser
What... I never said 4.9GHz doesn't work past 30MPH. I know for a fact it does What I said is that to assume you put a 4.9GHz AP on a tower in the middle of town and that's going to do it is very short sighted. The EIRP rules in 4.9GHz are not great... and physics is going to prevent you from penetrating tree canopy and houses. Furthermore... point to point operations are the primary use of 4.9GHz spectrum, not point to multipoint. There are lots of politics with the spectrum also... for instance what happens if the county moves in during an emergency and wants to turn on their 4.9GHz gear... usually they get priority and you have to shut off your network. That's why 4.9GHz is not great for mobility... UNLESS your deploying a Mesh. I probably should have specified better ;-D Even then... if the noise floor is low enough... 900MHz and 2.4GHz may be better solutions for signal propagation... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Scott Carullo >Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:57 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from >StationtoCruiser > > >You must think the wireless carriers defy physics is you don't believe >you >can deploy any solution yourself that can't go over 30MPH. Why would >your >4.9 not work over 30MPH. > >Put one good set of equipment on a tall tower with no noise and you are >home free. Actually I'd put two sets on the tower for redundancy but >you >get the picture. > >Of course, it does depend on the environment as far as mountains, >tunnels, >forests, large tall buildings etc - I have no idea on the area I'm just >suggesting it as an option to have unless it doesn't work - for some >other >reason that it can go 30MPH lol > >I promise it looks like the car is motionless then the radio wave >travels >near speed of light. > >Scott Carullo >Brevard Wireless >321-205-1100 x102 > Original Message >> From: "3-dB Networks" >> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 2:39 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from >StationtoCruiser >> >> Not for mobility it won't. 4.9GHz is great for point to point or >point >to >> multipoint... but if you want mobility... your back to a 4.9GHz mesh >to >make >> it work reliably. >> >> There is an alvarion 900MHz system that alvarion claims will work from >one >> tower in a situation like this... but without having touched it I >won't >> recommend it :-D >> >> It probably comes down to two things: >> >> 1) What are the throughput requirements >> 2) Is mobility required (mobility meaning driving around the city and >> staying connected) >> >> Either way... the most cost effective solution (especially if there is >only >> one or two cars on the force) is going to be utilizing some sort of 3G >> service. Mesh networks (and I should specify, Mesh networks designed >with >> high speed mobility in mind... some sort of proprietary protocol has >to >be >> used for the switching) are going to provide the best coverage at high >> speeds with the highest throughput... along with giving the city a >network >> it controls. >> >> If mobility isn't required... you could do more of a hotspot type >> solution... or a high gain omni on the car with some high gain omni's >on >the >> towers... but there would be no guarantee of reliable service >everywhere... >> >> Robert... no matter what make sure before you do anything that the >> expectations are clear, and that you have a contract written. If the >city >> doesn't like the way the network performs, you could have a serious >lawsuit >> on your hands (since it is a public safety application). >> >> Daniel White >> 3-dB Networks >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >> >> >> >-Original Message- >> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >On >> >Behalf Of Scott Carullo >> >Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:23 PM >> >To: WISPA General List >> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from >> >Station toCruiser >> > >> > >> >I myself would look into 4.9 or other licensed spectrum. Then you >could >> >have gear on one tower and service the whole area... >> > >> >Scott Carullo >> >Brevard Wireless >> >3
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser
I agree 100% that cellular is the best option for case like this :-D But if you need watch Youporn while flying in an Apache helicopter... Motorola has an app for that :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Robert West >Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:54 PM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from >Station to Cruiser > >So the cops could be watching You Porn while driving at 144mph? That's >a >very good selling point that could sway some departments. > >I personally like the Cellular option. The infrastructure is already in >place for the most part, just tie into office system with a VPN and a >firewall and they should be good. The bonus would be having an internal >card in the machine instead of the USB deal. It all comes down to money >for >the monthly fee, I bet. The biggest plus on that I see is if they >transport >a prisoner, which they have to do since they have no jail (Thank god!) >and >they have to go 15 miles away to the sheriff's department. So, this >would >be my pick after all if the politics turn out to be good, an internal >card >in the laptop would make that an easier sell. > > >Bob- > > > >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of 3-dB Networks >Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:46 PM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from >Station >to Cruiser > >IMHO, the only way to do something like this where the office is mobile >is >with cellular service (although he will need to VPN back to the Police >HQ) >or to use a Mesh network designed for mobility (since 802.11G tends to >fall >apart past 30MPH or so). > >Unless this city want's to make a major investment in Mesh... I'd tell >him >to stick with the cellular air cards (Verizon, AT&T, whatever) and be >done >with it. Hacking together a solution is probably more effort than its >worth, and there could be theoretical consequences if the network >doesn't >operate correctly. > >I'm still nowhere close to being able to offload this... but down the >pipe I >know of a city that is replacing their MOTOMESH Solo network with >MOTOMESH >Duo... so those nodes would probably be cheap... and it allows the cop >cards >to go up to 144MPH in the Mesh and still stay connected (its actually >really >cool technology developed for the US Military... but the most it can do >is >T1 speeds) > >Daniel White >3-dB Networks >http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > >>-Original Message- >>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>Behalf Of Robert West >>Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:05 AM >>To: WISPA General List >>Subject: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station >>to Cruiser >> >>I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little >>spot >>in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to >>the >>station network via a wireless link. (He is the "Police Chief" but I >>suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local >Wal- >>Mart >>has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7" screen >>laptops, >>which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to >do >>on >>them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect >to >>the >>network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney >>General's >>office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out >>his >>reports. >> >> >> >>Here's the setup.. >> >> >> >>This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half >miles >>wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also >>have >>a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as >>can be >>and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water >>tower >>are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator >>right >>outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town >>from >>his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. >> >> >> >>We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and >>5ghz >>band. He
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser
What type of 4.9GHz gear... point to point, point to multipoint, mesh? Motorola makes 4.9GHz gear for all of those applications... Proxim has it for point to point and point to multipoint... I think Firetide has 4.9GHz Mesh... Redline has a point to point radio I believe... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Josh Luthman >Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:25 PM >To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from >Station to Cruiser > >Who makes 4.9 gear and what would you need in the police cruiser? > >On 10/17/09, Scott Carullo wrote: >> >> I myself would look into 4.9 or other licensed spectrum. Then you >could >> have gear on one tower and service the whole area... >> >> Scott Carullo >> Brevard Wireless >> 321-205-1100 x102 >> Original Message >>> From: "3-dB Networks" >>> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:46 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from >> Station toCruiser >>> >>> IMHO, the only way to do something like this where the office is >mobile >> is >>> with cellular service (although he will need to VPN back to the >Police >> HQ) >>> or to use a Mesh network designed for mobility (since 802.11G tends >to >> fall >>> apart past 30MPH or so). >>> >>> Unless this city want's to make a major investment in Mesh... I'd >tell >> him >>> to stick with the cellular air cards (Verizon, AT&T, whatever) and be >> done >>> with it. Hacking together a solution is probably more effort than >its >>> worth, and there could be theoretical consequences if the network >> doesn't >>> operate correctly. >>> >>> I'm still nowhere close to being able to offload this... but down the >> pipe I >>> know of a city that is replacing their MOTOMESH Solo network with >> MOTOMESH >>> Duo... so those nodes would probably be cheap... and it allows the >cop >> cards >>> to go up to 144MPH in the Mesh and still stay connected (its actually >> really >>> cool technology developed for the US Military... but the most it can >do >> is >>> T1 speeds) >>> >>> Daniel White >>> 3-dB Networks >>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >>> >>> >>> >-Original Message- >>> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >On >>> >Behalf Of Robert West >>> >Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:05 AM >>> >To: WISPA General List >>> >Subject: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from >Station >>> >to Cruiser >>> > >>> >I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small >little >>> >spot >>> >in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers >to >>> >the >>> >station network via a wireless link. (He is the "Police Chief" but >I >>> >suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local >> Wal- >>> >Mart >>> >has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7" screen >>> >laptops, >>> >which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had >to >> do >>> >on >>> >them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and >connect >> to >>> >the >>> >network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney >>> >General's >>> >office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill >out >>> >his >>> >reports. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >Here's the setup.. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half >> miles >>> >wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they >also >>> >have >>> >a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat >as >>> >can be >>> >and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and >water >>> >tower >>> >are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator >>> >right >>> >
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser
Not for mobility it won't. 4.9GHz is great for point to point or point to multipoint... but if you want mobility... your back to a 4.9GHz mesh to make it work reliably. There is an alvarion 900MHz system that alvarion claims will work from one tower in a situation like this... but without having touched it I won't recommend it :-D It probably comes down to two things: 1) What are the throughput requirements 2) Is mobility required (mobility meaning driving around the city and staying connected) Either way... the most cost effective solution (especially if there is only one or two cars on the force) is going to be utilizing some sort of 3G service. Mesh networks (and I should specify, Mesh networks designed with high speed mobility in mind... some sort of proprietary protocol has to be used for the switching) are going to provide the best coverage at high speeds with the highest throughput... along with giving the city a network it controls. If mobility isn't required... you could do more of a hotspot type solution... or a high gain omni on the car with some high gain omni's on the towers... but there would be no guarantee of reliable service everywhere... Robert... no matter what make sure before you do anything that the expectations are clear, and that you have a contract written. If the city doesn't like the way the network performs, you could have a serious lawsuit on your hands (since it is a public safety application). Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Scott Carullo >Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:23 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from >Station toCruiser > > >I myself would look into 4.9 or other licensed spectrum. Then you could >have gear on one tower and service the whole area... > >Scott Carullo >Brevard Wireless >321-205-1100 x102 > Original Message >> From: "3-dB Networks" >> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:46 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from >Station toCruiser >> >> IMHO, the only way to do something like this where the office is >mobile >is >> with cellular service (although he will need to VPN back to the Police >HQ) >> or to use a Mesh network designed for mobility (since 802.11G tends to >fall >> apart past 30MPH or so). >> >> Unless this city want's to make a major investment in Mesh... I'd tell >him >> to stick with the cellular air cards (Verizon, AT&T, whatever) and be >done >> with it. Hacking together a solution is probably more effort than its >> worth, and there could be theoretical consequences if the network >doesn't >> operate correctly. >> >> I'm still nowhere close to being able to offload this... but down the >pipe I >> know of a city that is replacing their MOTOMESH Solo network with >MOTOMESH >> Duo... so those nodes would probably be cheap... and it allows the cop >cards >> to go up to 144MPH in the Mesh and still stay connected (its actually >really >> cool technology developed for the US Military... but the most it can >do >is >> T1 speeds) >> >> Daniel White >> 3-dB Networks >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >> >> >> >-Original Message- >> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >On >> >Behalf Of Robert West >> >Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:05 AM >> >To: WISPA General List >> >Subject: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from >Station >> >to Cruiser >> > >> >I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little >> >spot >> >in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers >to >> >the >> >station network via a wireless link. (He is the "Police Chief" but I >> >suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local >Wal- >> >Mart >> >has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7" screen >> >laptops, >> >which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to >do >> >on >> >them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect >to >> >the >> >network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney >> >General's >> >office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill >out >> >his >> >reports. >> > >
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul
Redeploying for customer point to point links for now... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Gino Villarini >Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:59 AM >To: WISPA General List >Cc: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul > >Is he Selling the ligo stuff? > >Sent from my Motorola Startac... > > >On Oct 17, 2009, at 1:50 PM, "3-dB Networks" wrote: > >> You might want to check out the Radwin 2000 also... it's probably >> going to >> cost a bit more, but I have at least one customer that is ripping out >> Ligowave links and replacing them with Radwin... he claims to be >> doubling >> their throughput. >> >> I'd be happy to provide quotes offlist :-D >> >> Daniel White >> 3-dB Networks >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >>> boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Phil Curnutt >>> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:37 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul >>> >>> We have been getting along with Tranzeo TR5a's on PTP, but with >>> increasing >>> traffic they have begun to bog down during peak usage. So we are >>> looking >>> for a reasonably price alternative with higher throughput and less >>> jitter. >>> Ligowave fits the price point along with the Tranzeo FDD's, but we >>> have >>> tried the FDD's in the past and weren't very impressed although they >>> have >>> put a higher power radio in them now. Our critical hops range from >>> seven >>> miles to less than two although we have some in the twelve to >>> fourteen >>> mile >>> range as well so we are looking for something that performs well in a >>> variety of situations. Sounds like you are pretty happy with the >>> Ligowave. >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Matt Jenkins >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Yep. I have about 10 links up in the air and am installing another 3 >>>> links in the next few days. Ligowave has become my preferred BH >>>> radio. >>>> What questions would you like answered? >>>> >>>> - Matt >>>> >>>> Phil Curnutt wrote: >>>>> Anyone with experience using the LIgowave PTP 5n backhaul radio's? >>>>> >>>>> Phil >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> --- >>>> --- >>> -- >>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>>> >>>> --- >>>> --- >>> -- >>>>> >>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>>> >>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>> >>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> --- >>> -- >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> >>>> --- >>>> --- >>> -- >>>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> - >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> --- >>> - >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul
You might want to check out the Radwin 2000 also... it's probably going to cost a bit more, but I have at least one customer that is ripping out Ligowave links and replacing them with Radwin... he claims to be doubling their throughput. I'd be happy to provide quotes offlist :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Phil Curnutt >Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:37 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul > >We have been getting along with Tranzeo TR5a's on PTP, but with >increasing >traffic they have begun to bog down during peak usage. So we are >looking >for a reasonably price alternative with higher throughput and less >jitter. >Ligowave fits the price point along with the Tranzeo FDD's, but we have >tried the FDD's in the past and weren't very impressed although they >have >put a higher power radio in them now. Our critical hops range from >seven >miles to less than two although we have some in the twelve to fourteen >mile >range as well so we are looking for something that performs well in a >variety of situations. Sounds like you are pretty happy with the >Ligowave. > >Phil > >On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Matt Jenkins >wrote: > >> Yep. I have about 10 links up in the air and am installing another 3 >> links in the next few days. Ligowave has become my preferred BH radio. >> What questions would you like answered? >> >> - Matt >> >> Phil Curnutt wrote: >> > Anyone with experience using the LIgowave PTP 5n backhaul radio's? >> > >> > Phil >> > >> > >> > >> -- >-- >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> -- >-- >> > >> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> > >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> -- >-- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> -- >-- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser
IMHO, the only way to do something like this where the office is mobile is with cellular service (although he will need to VPN back to the Police HQ) or to use a Mesh network designed for mobility (since 802.11G tends to fall apart past 30MPH or so). Unless this city want's to make a major investment in Mesh... I'd tell him to stick with the cellular air cards (Verizon, AT&T, whatever) and be done with it. Hacking together a solution is probably more effort than its worth, and there could be theoretical consequences if the network doesn't operate correctly. I'm still nowhere close to being able to offload this... but down the pipe I know of a city that is replacing their MOTOMESH Solo network with MOTOMESH Duo... so those nodes would probably be cheap... and it allows the cop cards to go up to 144MPH in the Mesh and still stay connected (its actually really cool technology developed for the US Military... but the most it can do is T1 speeds) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Robert West >Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:05 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station >to Cruiser > >I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little >spot >in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to >the >station network via a wireless link. (He is the "Police Chief" but I >suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal- >Mart >has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7" screen >laptops, >which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do >on >them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to >the >network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney >General's >office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out >his >reports. > > > >Here's the setup.. > > > >This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles >wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also >have >a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as >can be >and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water >tower >are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator >right >outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town >from >his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. > > > >We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and >5ghz >band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good >but >I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney >Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. >So >this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J > > > >Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? > > > >I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea >of >what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me >as >the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked >license >plate... I won that one by the way) > > > >Thanks for any help! > > > >Robert West > >Just Micro Digital Services Inc. > >740-335-7020 > > > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Selling to businesses
While this might not work for businesses... Mesa had some luck with sticky type door to door flyers that looked like the stickers UPS leaves when you're not home for a package. I wasn't with the company when they were used... but I heard the take rates were surprisingly well. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Bret Clark >Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:42 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Selling to businesses > >Direct mail works, but generally 3 mailings usually need to occur before >the person you are sending too starts to notice it. We find the old 4x6 >postcard works well, not expensive and many people see it since it's not >in an envelope. Put an eye catching graphic on one side and then and >some bullet points on the other side. > >We tried radio, but didn't have much luck...most people seem to drive to >work listening to ipods or XM. Newspaper ads didn't really work well >either...who reads newspapers anymore, although we did find some mild >success with online ads through our local newspapers. > > >On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 13:04 -0400, Jerry Richardson wrote: > >> Other than cold calling (this has been the most successful for us) and >referrals, what other methods are you using to sell to businesses? >> >> If you are using a direct mail piece that has had some success, I'd be >interested in what it looks like. We have not had much success there. >> >> We are adding voice which should make a huge difference. >> >> Just looking to stimulate sales :-) >> >> >> [cid:image001.jpg@01CA45A3.36814DF0] >> Broadband for Business >> Public and Private WiFi >> http://www.aircloud.com >> >> Jerry Richardson >> VP Operations >> 925-260-4119 x2 >> P Please consider the environment before printing this email >> >> >> -- >-- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> -- >-- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?
Unless the base of the runway is in the Fresnel zone... an airplane flying through it is only going to cause a minor interruption... maybe a few seconds? I would bet it is going to be okay Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Robert West >Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:23 AM >To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem? > >This path I'm considering is 33 miles in length and the airport is 11 >miles >from the closest tower. Both towers are existing structures so their >placement is okay but I was concerned when I saw that the path runs >right >down runway 22R. Sigh. so every plane approaching that runway >will be >smack in the signal at almost 300 feet 11 miles out from the tower. >Now, >this airport isn't as busy as it used to be, it was the DHL hub here in >Ohio, but they are trying to get it back in operation again either as a >package sort hub or maintenance center. Either way, lots of big planes >over >there. > > > >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Bret Clark >Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:54 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem? > >I somewhat disagree, in terms of the signal, no you don't need approval, >but to put a wireless network up with antenna's near any airport the >height of the antenna is governed by the FAA, you need their approval >from them in terms of an antenna perspective. Antenna heights are >governed by distance from runways; give them the exact distances from >runways, then they tell you the height allowed at that location. > > >On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 12:31 +, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: > >> If your equipment is on airport property proper you need approval to >place >there. >> >> You do not need approval to shoot accross the airport. >> >> Now depending on your proximity to air traffic you may experience >packet >loss but unless your path was where aircraft may park or taxi I would >not >expect loss of link. >> >> As for interference from radar, that's a crap shoot and depends what >band >you are on and what is colocated at the airport. >> >> Bob >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Bret Clark >> >> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 06:55:46 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem? >> >> >> We shoot across an airport (the big ones as well) with a bunch of 5.8 >> stuff, but I believe we needed to get clearance from the airport and >> maybe the FAA before installing. Otherwise we've had zero problems >with >> interference from their systems. I would start by calling or gong to >see >> the person who runs the airport first and explain what you would like >to >> do. I don't recall it being a big deal to get permission from the >Airport. >> >> >> Robert West wrote: >> > Looking at a possible path but we would run right down the runway of >an >> > airport. Not small planes, the big ones! Towers are 300' on both >> > ends.. I don't see any issues here but have no idea what to >expect >> > from the RF over that thing. They are fully automated with all the >latest >> > in radio controlled landing systems. >> > >> > Anyone ever have issues with this? It's a perfect path for us so it >would >> > be my luck this thing might cause me issues. >> > >> > Would 5ghz be out of the question? >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Robert West >> > Just Micro Digital Services Inc. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > > > >> > >> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> > >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> WISPA Wants You! Jo
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Backhaul
Pricing has not been released on the Quantum yet. I will be happy to quote it offlist to anyone as soon as it is released. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Marco Coelho >Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:12 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: [WISPA] Dragonwave Backhaul > >What are people paying for dragonwave horizon quantom backhauls? >I'm looking at putting 2 links up. >How solid are these? > >Marco > >-- >Marco C. Coelho >Argon Technologies Inc. >POB 875 >Greenville, TX 75403-0875 >903-455-5036 > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Yeah what was I thinking :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Butch Evans >Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:01 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 14:47 -0600, 3-dB Networks wrote: >> I really haven't followed this thread that closely... but with this >much >> confusion... Mikrotik should probably explain how and why they are FCC >> legal. Most manufacturers put at the end of their user manuals a >detailed >> explanation of their regulatory compliance... Mikrotik should take the >time >> to do the same > >A call for Mikrotik to document something? Hmmm. ;-) > >-- > >* Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >* http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * >* http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >* http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * > > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
I really haven't followed this thread that closely... but with this much confusion... Mikrotik should probably explain how and why they are FCC legal. Most manufacturers put at the end of their user manuals a detailed explanation of their regulatory compliance... Mikrotik should take the time to do the same Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of ralph >Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:27 PM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >Sorry Eje- No need for personal criticism. If you don't like the >discussion, >then press delete- but don't try to silence me. > >What I would like to see happen is for MT to show us the testing. They >shouldn't have anything to hide. >As has been said before, no one can know whether it was actually tested >before or not and whether it passed or not unless it is marked as such >or >the results are published. Other manufacturers do it so why should they >be >any different. > >They should be up front with all the info or else people will be left to >draw their own conclusions. > >I am a MT user, have been using the 386 stuff in PCs for years and years >now >and our entire network is built around it, so I am not anti MT and I >certainly would not spread FUD. I for one would love to know how they >tested >and to what standard (A or B computing device) because we might consider >using the boards more if we knew how they were intended to be used. > >If you are selling their equipment, perhaps you could ask them to >publish >the test results. > >Best wishes > >Ralph > >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson >Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:23 PM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >Time to stop this thread since your just spreading FUD.. Read my other >posts. > >All MikroTik products do have the appropriate FCC certification and/or >testing done on them. > >/ Eje > >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of ralph >Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:13 PM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >I don't see anything like that on the pdf you referred to. >I have in my hand a 433AH in a case that came from a well known supplier >of >pre-cased RBs >There are no markings on the case about compliance with any rule or any >FCC >numbers at all. >There is nothing that says FCC on the top of the RB inside either. I >did >not remove the board and look underneath. > >As far as where you go to see if it is certified or not, I don't know >all >the places, but there is usually a sticker that gives the details about >the >certification. >You can also check the FCC filing, which I believe even shows replicas >of >the sticker. I think the user's manual also mentions the approval. > >The Crossroads FCC filing shows the sticker and its placement. >https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_i >d=82 >9435&native_or_pdf=pdf > >The user's manual has an entire page dedicated to the FCC data including >all >the warnings on page 11 >https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_i >d=82 >9433&native_or_pdf=pdf > > > >Mikrotik has very little stuff certified. Most of the listings are for >the >same devices, just certified on different frequencies or in different >configurations. >There are the 2 things I already mentioned, as well as these: > >R5H (a radio card only) photos show it in a routerboard being used as a >"test fixture" but test was only for the card, and an FCC label must be >placed on the outside of the final enclosure. Actually the same as >WLM54AGP23 but FCC shown so record of this device. > >R52 : This module is intended for OEM integrator. The OEM integrator is >still responsible >for the FCC compliance requirement of the end product, which integrates >this >module. > > >So if you go and put an R52 in anything, it becomes *your* >responsibility to >the FCC to maintain compliance. MT appears to be pretty much immune to >citations on this issue. One could conclude that someone like Dennis >probably operates this way. > >It isn't just MT. The Williboard stuff (when assembled by Deliberant or >Ligowave) becomes certified too. > >I also seem to remember that the Pronghorn Metro stuff has do it >yourself >
Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum
Throughput accelerator is a compression scheme... so it depends on the traffic going across it what it is going to deliver. No matter what though... it will deliver more traffic with no penalty than the Duo. If you're going to look at the Apex... compare it to the Horizon Compact... apples for apples. The quantum should be compared to the Giga... which quickly comparing the two shows the Quantum being equal or better than the Giga at transmit power and receiver sensitivity Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Brad Belton >Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:11 PM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum > >This is interesting. What does "Throughput with Accelerator" and "Up >to" >mean? Is there any explanation of this technology and how they claim it >works? > >It should be noted the Quantum RX Sensitivity required to achieve their >Modulation Schemes is about 5-7db worse than Trango Apex. So, it's >likely >the Quantum will be downshifting more often than a comparable Apex >radio. > >All in all still pretty impressive and I'm glad to see the bar being >pushed >even further up. > >Best, > > >Brad > >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of 3-dB Networks >Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:41 PM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum > >I don't think this has been publically released yet... > >Overall is a pretty good improvement on the Horizon Duo... and it looks >like >it will be cheaper to. > >Still waiting on a lot of the technical information... but as I get >stuff I >will share :-D > >Daniel White >3-dB Networks >http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > >>-Original Message- >>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:27 AM >>To: WISPA General List >>Subject: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum >> >>I forgot what list we were recently discussing this on, but DragonWave >>just announced their Quantum product. It claims to boost throughput >>without using any more spectrum. 2.5X increase in efficiency, up to 4 >>GB/s per link. >> >> >>- >>Mike Hammett >>Intelligent Computing Solutions >>http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >>--- >>- >> >>WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>http://signup.wispa.org/ >>--- >>- >> >> >>WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Death Valley CA WISP
I agree... the Furnace Creek hotspots are actually all offline at the moment... they were fed by T-1 lines... Anyways as I just posted I'm looking to build backhaul in... so hoping to buy bandwidth from a WISP somewhere nearby Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Christopher Erickson >Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:32 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Death Valley CA WISP > >Furnace Creek has a cafe hotspot and an intermittent ranger station >hotspot and Stovepipe Wells might have a hotspot by now as well. No >WISP service that I found. And almost no cellular coverage anywhere. > >Since Death Valley barely has any year-around residents and covers >such a large area, it probably doesn't offer much of a business case. > >"My Advice is always free and worth every penny!" > >-Christopher Erickson >Network Design Engineer >Waikoloa Village, HI 96738 > > >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on >> Behalf Of 3-dB Networks >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:09 AM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: [WISPA] Death Valley CA WISP >> >> >> Anyone know of any WISP's near Death Valley? >> >> >> >> Daniel White >> >> 3-dB Networks >> >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> -- >> -- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Death Valley CA WISP
Furnace Creek Ranch would be nice... but realistically I'm looking for a PoP and considering building my own backhaul into the site. All they could find was T-1 lines... doing it as a favor ;-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Jack Unger >Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:17 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Death Valley CA WISP > >Death Valley is a fairly large area. Can you be more specific about >where you are looking for coverage? > >3-dB Networks wrote: >> Anyone know of any WISP's near Death Valley? >> >> >> >> Daniel White >> >> 3-dB Networks >> >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >-- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> -- >-- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > >-- >Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. >Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" >Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 >www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com > > > > > > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Death Valley CA WISP
Anyone know of any WISP's near Death Valley? Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
And I should point out... the Radwin Radios are quad band out of the box (2.4GHz, 5.2GHz, 5.4GHz, 5.8GHz) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of 3-dB Networks >Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:08 AM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >I like the Radwin 2000 links (especially because of their price) for >unlicensed... although Orthogon still has a warm spot in my heart >(although >they are more expensive) > >For licensed... I only choose Dragonwave... > >Hard to beat the price of a Mikrotik setup... but there are also a lot >of >advantages to going towards something else > >Daniel White >3-dB Networks >http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > >>-Original Message- >>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:19 AM >>To: WISPA General List >>Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >>Hi All, >> >>I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what >>others >>are using. >> >>I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the >>most >>reliable gear that I've ever used. >> >>I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it >in >>over the last year or so. >> >>Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to >the >>outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. >> >>It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do >the >>same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go >too >>cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys >>using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, >>all I >>need to replace is the indoor ratios. >> >>Why would you install what you put in? >> >>laters, >>marlon >> >> >> >>--- >- >> >>WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>http://signup.wispa.org/ >>--- >- >> >> >>WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
I like the Radwin 2000 links (especially because of their price) for unlicensed... although Orthogon still has a warm spot in my heart (although they are more expensive) For licensed... I only choose Dragonwave... Hard to beat the price of a Mikrotik setup... but there are also a lot of advantages to going towards something else Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:19 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >Hi All, > >I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what >others >are using. > >I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the >most >reliable gear that I've ever used. > >I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in >over the last year or so. > >Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the >outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. > >It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do the >same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go too >cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain. What are you guys >using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, >all I >need to replace is the indoor ratios. > >Why would you install what you put in? > >laters, >marlon > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum
The product is overall a major improvement on the Horizon Duo... I think Dragonwave really hit it out of the park here (and since they build all of their own radios unlike most other companies... I don't see anyone else catching up for awhile). Rumor has it they built this product for Clearwire... Anyways I was surprised to see it on their website this morning... they haven't passed on pricing to the resellers yet (I'm probably meeting with them later this week to get all of the nitty gritty on it) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Mike Hammett >Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:27 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum > >I forgot what list we were recently discussing this on, but DragonWave >just announced their Quantum product. It claims to boost throughput >without using any more spectrum. 2.5X increase in efficiency, up to 4 >GB/s per link. > > >- >Mike Hammett >Intelligent Computing Solutions >http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas
The GP-24-3 street price costs about double than the OD24-12... but you do get 3 degrees of electrical downtilt Comet is going to probably be more expensive across the board Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Josh Luthman >Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:30 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas > >What are Comet's prices relative to Pac's (similar products)? > >Josh Luthman >Office: 937-552-2340 >Direct: 937-552-2343 >1100 Wayne St >Suite 1337 >Troy, OH 45373 > >"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >improbable, must be the truth." >--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > >On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:31 AM, 3-dB Networks wrote: > >> Robert, >> >> I strongly recommend Comet antennas... in 2.4GHz it is the only omni I >> typically recommend. >> >> Just had a customer swap out some Pac Omni's for Comet ones and he >told me >> he saw an across the boards performance increase. My own limited >testing >> in >> our old WISP showed them to outperform the Pac's we had elsewhere. >> >> I personally generally recommend the GP-24-3... which is 12dBi with 3 >> degrees of downtilt >> >> Daniel White >> 3-dB Networks >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >> >> >> >-Original Message- >> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >On >> >Behalf Of Robert West >> >Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:23 AM >> >To: 'WISPA General List' >> >Subject: [WISPA] Comet Antennas >> > >> >I was looking for a decent 2.4GHz Omni for some small AP's I'm in the >> >process of setting up in our outlying areas with low population >density >> >and >> >came across these Comet antennas over at wlanparts. Has anyone had >any >> >experience with these? At a little over 100 bucks, worth it or not? >> >Price >> >doesn't always reflect quality, as has been shown with the Wifi+ >> >antennas at >> >least from MY experience, any better alternatives for an inexpensive, >> >quality Omni? >> > >> >Reason for using the Omni, I've been setting up small AP's with a >411AH >> >with >> >one MT R52N card for the customer side and a Bullet 5HP on a PAC >> >Wireless >> >grid for the backhaul. The Omni lets me connect the site owner to >the >> >network, at least, and some of their neighbors. I'll upgrade to >sector >> >antennas and add 2 more MT cards once the interest is there. The >Omni >> >lets >> >me set it up an AP for less than 400 bucks plus the cost of a NS2 for >> >the >> >site owner's house. Been using cheap Pac Wireless Omni's but if I >could >> >pay >> >a small bit more for a little more reach, all the good! >> > >> >Thanks! >> > >> >Bob- >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >- >--- >> > >> >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> >http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >- >--- >> > >> > >> >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> > >> >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >-- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> -- >-- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas
Robert, I strongly recommend Comet antennas... in 2.4GHz it is the only omni I typically recommend. Just had a customer swap out some Pac Omni's for Comet ones and he told me he saw an across the boards performance increase. My own limited testing in our old WISP showed them to outperform the Pac's we had elsewhere. I personally generally recommend the GP-24-3... which is 12dBi with 3 degrees of downtilt Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Robert West >Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:23 AM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: [WISPA] Comet Antennas > >I was looking for a decent 2.4GHz Omni for some small AP's I'm in the >process of setting up in our outlying areas with low population density >and >came across these Comet antennas over at wlanparts. Has anyone had any >experience with these? At a little over 100 bucks, worth it or not? >Price >doesn't always reflect quality, as has been shown with the Wifi+ >antennas at >least from MY experience, any better alternatives for an inexpensive, >quality Omni? > >Reason for using the Omni, I've been setting up small AP's with a 411AH >with >one MT R52N card for the customer side and a Bullet 5HP on a PAC >Wireless >grid for the backhaul. The Omni lets me connect the site owner to the >network, at least, and some of their neighbors. I'll upgrade to sector >antennas and add 2 more MT cards once the interest is there. The Omni >lets >me set it up an AP for less than 400 bucks plus the cost of a NS2 for >the >site owner's house. Been using cheap Pac Wireless Omni's but if I could >pay >a small bit more for a little more reach, all the good! > >Thanks! > >Bob- > > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth
Full Duplex... requires four 40MHz channels though Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Marco Coelho >Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:17 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth > >Is that 1.2 in each direction or a combined throughput of 1.2? > >On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:26 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote: >> Horizon Duo 11GHz utilizing four channels would net you 1.2Gbps >roughly >> >> I'd be happy to assist offlist with Path Calcs and quotes >> >> Daniel White >> 3-dB Networks >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >On >>>Behalf Of Marco Coelho >>>Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:16 PM >>>To: w...@part-15.org; WISPA General List >>>Subject: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth >>> >>>I'm wanting a licensed link to shoot 28.8 miles with clear Fresnel. >>>If money is not an issue, what if the fastest reliable link I can put >>>up? >>> >>>Marco >>> >>>-- >>>Marco C. Coelho >>>Argon Technologies Inc. >>>POB 875 >>>Greenville, TX 75403-0875 >>>903-455-5036 >>> >>> >>>-- >-- >>> >>>WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>-- >-- >>> >>> >>>WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> -- >-- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> -- >-- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > >-- >Marco C. Coelho >Argon Technologies Inc. >POB 875 >Greenville, TX 75403-0875 >903-455-5036 > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth
Oh and rumor has it Dragonwave is announcing a new product next week that might double that throughput... :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of 3-dB Networks >Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:27 PM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth > >Horizon Duo 11GHz utilizing four channels would net you 1.2Gbps roughly > >I'd be happy to assist offlist with Path Calcs and quotes > >Daniel White >3-dB Networks >http://www.3dbnetworks.com > >>-Original Message- >>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>Behalf Of Marco Coelho >>Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:16 PM >>To: w...@part-15.org; WISPA General List >>Subject: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth >> >>I'm wanting a licensed link to shoot 28.8 miles with clear Fresnel. >>If money is not an issue, what if the fastest reliable link I can put >>up? >> >>Marco >> >>-- >>Marco C. Coelho >>Argon Technologies Inc. >>POB 875 >>Greenville, TX 75403-0875 >>903-455-5036 >> >> >>--- >- >> >>WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>http://signup.wispa.org/ >>--- >- >> >> >>WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth
Horizon Duo 11GHz utilizing four channels would net you 1.2Gbps roughly I'd be happy to assist offlist with Path Calcs and quotes Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Marco Coelho >Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:16 PM >To: w...@part-15.org; WISPA General List >Subject: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth > >I'm wanting a licensed link to shoot 28.8 miles with clear Fresnel. >If money is not an issue, what if the fastest reliable link I can put >up? > >Marco > >-- >Marco C. Coelho >Argon Technologies Inc. >POB 875 >Greenville, TX 75403-0875 >903-455-5036 > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)
Exactly... I'd argue having a manufacturer that keeps engineers in the field visiting WISP's and helping them solve their problems is more important than having a manufacturer that has a small WISP on the side (heck that could even be considered a distraction). Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Chuck Profito >Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:27 AM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX >Are You?) > >And remember, that ski town has a very low noise floor, so you sometimes >get >, 'well why doesn't a -88 work? Dah >We use Star OS, so I need to duck now! Incoming! > >Chuck Profito >209-988-7388 >CV-ACCESS, INC >cprof...@cv-access.com >Providing High Speed Broadband >to Rural Central California > > > >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Ralph >Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:43 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX >Are >You?) > >Tranzeo >Deliberant > >-Original Message- >From: John Valenti >Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:31 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are >You?) > >This is one of the reasons I like StarOS so much. The developers also >run a WISP in their ski town (about 300 customers a few years ago, I >think) >Much more believable when they said "do it this way and it works", I >could trust them. > >Are there other wireless companies that do this? > > >On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: > >> Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely >> create >> a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just >> big >> enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing >> photos >> of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor >> unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... > > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > >[The entire original message is not included] > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)
Depends what you mean by Vendor. Manufacturer or Reseller? As a reseller/distributor we built from the ground up a 7,500 subscriber WISP with over 130 tower sites (Mesa Networks located out of Frederick, CO). We only sell gear we have personally used and deployed, and know how it actually performs in the real world. It has been a year and a half since we sold our WISP, but we are still very active in the field deploying gear for our customers Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of John Valenti >Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:32 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are >You?) > >This is one of the reasons I like StarOS so much. The developers also >run a WISP in their ski town (about 300 customers a few years ago, I >think) >Much more believable when they said "do it this way and it works", I >could trust them. > >Are there other wireless companies that do this? > > >On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: > >> Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely >> create >> a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just >> big >> enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing >> photos >> of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor >> unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... > > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
