[WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem
Sorry for the long post but I need some suggestions here guys. Customer has a 7.3 mile 5ghz link. MT 433AH on one end and MT 411AH on the other. Version 4.16 on both units. Both units have MT R52Hn cards. 28 db grids on both ends with 6-10ft lmr400 jumper. Signal strength is -65 to -65 on one end and -66 to -67 on the other. CCQ is 98 to 100% Configured as bridge wds on one end and station wds on the other. This customer is a school and when they came back from Christmas break the link was down. This is in a rural area and no other 5 ghz systems show up in a scan so it is a 50/50 shot at the one that is bad. We changed the card in one unit and that was not it so we changed the card in the other unit and the link came back up. It was not working 100% and would go down and up but the signal looked ok. It was at -70 at the time. The only way I could get it to stay up was to change to a 5meg bandwidth. The link finally stabilized with the 5 meg channel. This would have to do until we could go back and check cables and connections. Well it has worked ok for the most part since then but we have noticed that when it rains the link starts dropping out again even though the signal stays good when it is connected. Sounds like water in a connection so I went yesterday to check some connections and they look good. Had electrical tape, mastic, and electrical tape. I actually cut open one just to inspect and was dry. I know it only takes one connection to cause a problem but visual inspection of all connections looked ok. Next trip we will have new cables and new antenna. After I finished messing around with the first unit the link started going down and up. The strange thing about this is that when it is up the signal is a solid. About every 60 seconds the link would drop out and come right back up. It did this for about an hour and finally stabilized. Sounds like interference. Here are a few lines from both logfiles. 05:28:53 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: disconnected, extensive data loss 05:29:00 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: connected, wants WDS 05:30:01 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: disconnected, extensive data loss 05:30:10 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: connected, wants WDS 05:31:10 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: disconnected, extensive data loss 05:31:19 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: connected, wants WDS 05:32:20 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: disconnected, extensive data loss 05:32:28 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: connected, wants WDS 05:33:29 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: disconnected, extensive data loss 05:33:37 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: connected, wants WDS feb/13 16:14:51 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1: lost connection, not polled for too long feb/13 16:14:58 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1 established connection on 5200, SSID Hillview feb/13 16:16:01 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1: lost connection, not polled for too long feb/13 16:16:08 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1 established connection on 5200, SSID Hillview feb/13 16:17:10 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1: lost connection, not polled for too long feb/13 16:17:17 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1 established connection on 5200, SSID Hillview feb/13 16:18:19 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1: lost connection, not polled for too long feb/13 16:18:26 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1 established connection on 5200, SSID Hillview feb/13 16:19:28 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1: lost connection, not polled for too long feb/13 16:19:35 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1 established connection on 5200, SSID Hillview My Conclustions are possibly 2 problems. 1. Water somewhere ? I will have to check each connection and or replace jumper cable and possibly antenna. Has anyone seen the grid element go bad and leak? 2. Interference ? Maybe need spectrum analyzer to check things out. What is the timing of a radar signal sweep? Also, one tower has a lot of slack in the guy wires and it was moving a lot more than I liked in the wind yesterday. I think that might be a problem but I don't think it would cause it to drop every 60 seconds. If you made it this far, thank for reading. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Trumann, AR WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem
After posting I recalculated what the signal strength should be and it turns out to be mid 50's. So I guess there is defiantly wrong in the rf system some where. On 2/14/2011 12:00 PM, Data Technology wrote: Sorry for the long post but I need some suggestions here guys. Customer has a 7.3 mile 5ghz link. MT 433AH on one end and MT 411AH on the other. Version 4.16 on both units. Both units have MT R52Hn cards. 28 db grids on both ends with 6-10ft lmr400 jumper. Signal strength is -65 to -65 on one end and -66 to -67 on the other. CCQ is 98 to 100% Configured as bridge wds on one end and station wds on the other. This customer is a school and when they came back from Christmas break the link was down. This is in a rural area and no other 5 ghz systems show up in a scan so it is a 50/50 shot at the one that is bad. We changed the card in one unit and that was not it so we changed the card in the other unit and the link came back up. It was not working 100% and would go down and up but the signal looked ok. It was at -70 at the time. The only way I could get it to stay up was to change to a 5meg bandwidth. The link finally stabilized with the 5 meg channel. This would have to do until we could go back and check cables and connections. Well it has worked ok for the most part since then but we have noticed that when it rains the link starts dropping out again even though the signal stays good when it is connected. Sounds like water in a connection so I went yesterday to check some connections and they look good. Had electrical tape, mastic, and electrical tape. I actually cut open one just to inspect and was dry. I know it only takes one connection to cause a problem but visual inspection of all connections looked ok. Next trip we will have new cables and new antenna. After I finished messing around with the first unit the link started going down and up. The strange thing about this is that when it is up the signal is a solid. About every 60 seconds the link would drop out and come right back up. It did this for about an hour and finally stabilized. Sounds like interference. Here are a few lines from both logfiles. 05:28:53 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: disconnected, extensive data loss 05:29:00 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: connected, wants WDS 05:30:01 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: disconnected, extensive data loss 05:30:10 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: connected, wants WDS 05:31:10 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: disconnected, extensive data loss 05:31:19 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: connected, wants WDS 05:32:20 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: disconnected, extensive data loss 05:32:28 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: connected, wants WDS 05:33:29 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: disconnected, extensive data loss 05:33:37 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: connected, wants WDS feb/13 16:14:51 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1: lost connection, not polled for too long feb/13 16:14:58 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1 established connection on 5200, SSID Hillview feb/13 16:16:01 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1: lost connection, not polled for too long feb/13 16:16:08 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1 established connection on 5200, SSID Hillview feb/13 16:17:10 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1: lost connection, not polled for too long feb/13 16:17:17 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1 established connection on 5200, SSID Hillview feb/13 16:18:19 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1: lost connection, not polled for too long feb/13 16:18:26 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1 established connection on 5200, SSID Hillview feb/13 16:19:28 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1: lost connection, not polled for too long feb/13 16:19:35 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1 established connection on 5200, SSID Hillview My Conclustions are possibly 2 problems. 1. Water somewhere ? I will have to check each connection and or replace jumper cable and possibly antenna. Has anyone seen the grid element go bad and leak? 2. Interference ? Maybe need spectrum analyzer to check things out. What is the timing of a radar signal sweep? Also, one tower has a lot of slack in the guy wires and it was moving a lot more than I liked in the wind yesterday. I think that might be a problem but I don't think it would cause it to drop every 60 seconds. If you made it this far, thank for reading. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Trumann, AR WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives
Re: [WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem
This was not my design. I would not have used a pac grid on a link like this. Ice on them will cause them to drop signal. I would have used a 2 ft dish for this link but I think I will look at the arc panels. LaRoy On 2/14/2011 12:20 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Agreed. The overall cost is not that high compared to the time lost picking at it. I'd rather test and troubleshoot at the bench. - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2011 10:14 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem If it were me, I would check that LMR and all that other garbage. Use the ARC 23dbi panel/enclosures. You'll lose 10dbi (less because of LMR400, connectors, pigtails, N connectors) but you'll have less to worry about when ice gets on the antenna (IME last week - none). Everything is enclosed and pretty and the mounting is easier then the grids and those stupid U bolts. Every time I've tried to swap a radio, or a board, or an antenna, or lmr400...it was a waste of time and money. Scrap the entire thing and do everything in one clean swoop. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com mailto:w...@dtisp.com wrote: After posting I recalculated what the signal strength should be and it turns out to be mid 50's. So I guess there is defiantly wrong in the rf system some where. On 2/14/2011 12:00 PM, Data Technology wrote: Sorry for the long post but I need some suggestions here guys. Customer has a 7.3 mile 5ghz link. MT 433AH on one end and MT 411AH on the other. Version 4.16 on both units. Both units have MT R52Hn cards. 28 db grids on both ends with 6-10ft lmr400 jumper. Signal strength is -65 to -65 on one end and -66 to -67 on the other. CCQ is 98 to 100% Configured as bridge wds on one end and station wds on the other. This customer is a school and when they came back from Christmas break the link was down. This is in a rural area and no other 5 ghz systems show up in a scan so it is a 50/50 shot at the one that is bad. We changed the card in one unit and that was not it so we changed the card in the other unit and the link came back up. It was not working 100% and would go down and up but the signal looked ok. It was at -70 at the time. The only way I could get it to stay up was to change to a 5meg bandwidth. The link finally stabilized with the 5 meg channel. This would have to do until we could go back and check cables and connections. Well it has worked ok for the most part since then but we have noticed that when it rains the link starts dropping out again even though the signal stays good when it is connected. Sounds like water in a connection so I went yesterday to check some connections and they look good. Had electrical tape, mastic, and electrical tape. I actually cut open one just to inspect and was dry. I know it only takes one connection to cause a problem but visual inspection of all connections looked ok. Next trip we will have new cables and new antenna. After I finished messing around with the first unit the link started going down and up. The strange thing about this is that when it is up the signal is a solid. About every 60 seconds the link would drop out and come right back up. It did this for about an hour and finally stabilized. Sounds like interference. Here are a few lines from both logfiles. 05:28:53 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: disconnected, extensive data loss 05:29:00 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: connected, wants WDS 05:30:01 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: disconnected, extensive data loss 05:30:10 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: connected, wants WDS 05:31:10 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: disconnected, extensive data loss 05:31:19 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: connected, wants WDS 05:32:20 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: disconnected, extensive data loss 05:32:28 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: connected, wants WDS 05:33:29 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: disconnected, extensive data loss 05:33:37 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: connected, wants WDS feb/13 16:14:51 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1: lost connection, not polled for too long feb/13 16:14:58 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1 established connection on 5200, SSID Hillview feb/13 16:16:01 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1: lost connection, not polled for too long feb/13 16:16:08 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1 established connection on 5200, SSID Hillview feb/13 16:17:10 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1: lost connection, not polled for too long feb/13 16:17:17 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E0:A6@wlan1 established connection on 5200, SSID Hillview feb/13 16:18:19
Re: [WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem
Looking at these panels, it looks like you would not easily change a card or board on the tower. Can these panels be swapped out without having to re-align? LaRoy On 2/14/2011 1:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: For 7 miles? Use the 23dbi ARC things. I get them from Streakwave. Jut ask for ARC wireless 23dbi panel/enclosures. Very lightweight solution (compared to a two foot dish!) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com mailto:w...@dtisp.com wrote: This was not my design. I would not have used a pac grid on a link like this. Ice on them will cause them to drop signal. I would have used a 2 ft dish for this link but I think I will look at the arc panels. LaRoy On 2/14/2011 12:20 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Agreed. The overall cost is not that high compared to the time lost picking at it. I'd rather test and troubleshoot at the bench. - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2011 10:14 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem If it were me, I would check that LMR and all that other garbage. Use the ARC 23dbi panel/enclosures. You'll lose 10dbi (less because of LMR400, connectors, pigtails, N connectors) but you'll have less to worry about when ice gets on the antenna (IME last week - none). Everything is enclosed and pretty and the mounting is easier then the grids and those stupid U bolts. Every time I've tried to swap a radio, or a board, or an antenna, or lmr400...it was a waste of time and money. Scrap the entire thing and do everything in one clean swoop. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com mailto:w...@dtisp.com wrote: After posting I recalculated what the signal strength should be and it turns out to be mid 50's. So I guess there is defiantly wrong in the rf system some where. On 2/14/2011 12:00 PM, Data Technology wrote: Sorry for the long post but I need some suggestions here guys. Customer has a 7.3 mile 5ghz link. MT 433AH on one end and MT 411AH on the other. Version 4.16 on both units. Both units have MT R52Hn cards. 28 db grids on both ends with 6-10ft lmr400 jumper. Signal strength is -65 to -65 on one end and -66 to -67 on the other. CCQ is 98 to 100% Configured as bridge wds on one end and station wds on the other. This customer is a school and when they came back from Christmas break the link was down. This is in a rural area and no other 5 ghz systems show up in a scan so it is a 50/50 shot at the one that is bad. We changed the card in one unit and that was not it so we changed the card in the other unit and the link came back up. It was not working 100% and would go down and up but the signal looked ok. It was at -70 at the time. The only way I could get it to stay up was to change to a 5meg bandwidth. The link finally stabilized with the 5 meg channel. This would have to do until we could go back and check cables and connections. Well it has worked ok for the most part since then but we have noticed that when it rains the link starts dropping out again even though the signal stays good when it is connected. Sounds like water in a connection so I went yesterday to check some connections and they look good. Had electrical tape, mastic, and electrical tape. I actually cut open one just to inspect and was dry. I know it only takes one connection to cause a problem but visual inspection of all connections looked ok. Next trip we will have new cables and new antenna. After I finished messing around with the first unit the link started going down and up. The strange thing about this is that when it is up the signal is a solid. About every 60 seconds the link would drop out and come right back up. It did this for about an hour and finally stabilized. Sounds like interference. Here are a few lines from both logfiles. 05:28:53 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: disconnected, extensive data loss 05:29:00 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: connected, wants WDS 05:30:01 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: disconnected, extensive data loss 05:30:10 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4:82@wlan1: connected, wants WDS 05:31:10 wireless,info 00:0C:42:62:E4
Re: [WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem
I have tried those in the past and not had good luck with them. They don't seem to be as sensitive as other cards. I used to use mostly cm9's but have been using the MT R52Hn cards. You get the power and they seem to receive better than the XR5's. LaRoy On 2/14/2011 2:26 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: That's the one, but I would DEFINITELY use an XR5 for a ptp link. Voltage/board depends on your particular link. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com mailto:but...@butchevans.com wrote: On 02/14/2011 01:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: For 7 miles? Use the 23dbi ARC things. I get them from Streakwave. Jut ask for ARC wireless 23dbi panel/enclosures. Very lightweight solution (compared to a two foot dish!) http://tinyurl.com/4jqqq2h is a complete system (with routerboard, radio, power supply and antenna). I have the antennas available as well. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * *NOTE THE NEW PHONE NUMBER: 702-537-0979 * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the *DTISP MailScanner* http://www.dtisp.com/, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Strange RF disconnect problem
I hear ya. I know a lot of people swear by them. I just know I have tried them 4-5 different times and they never work as well as I think they should. I can pull it out and use a CM9 or R52Hn and get better receive by a couple of db or more. On 2/14/2011 2:46 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: My experience shows the complete opposite and all other reports have agreed with me. Not arguing, just emerging facts. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com mailto:w...@dtisp.com wrote: I have tried those in the past and not had good luck with them. They don't seem to be as sensitive as other cards. I used to use mostly cm9's but have been using the MT R52Hn cards. You get the power and they seem to receive better than the XR5's. LaRoy On 2/14/2011 2:26 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: That's the one, but I would DEFINITELY use an XR5 for a ptp link. Voltage/board depends on your particular link. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com mailto:but...@butchevans.com wrote: On 02/14/2011 01:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: For 7 miles? Use the 23dbi ARC things. I get them from Streakwave. Jut ask for ARC wireless 23dbi panel/enclosures. Very lightweight solution (compared to a two foot dish!) http://tinyurl.com/4jqqq2h is a complete system (with routerboard, radio, power supply and antenna). I have the antennas available as well. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * *NOTE THE NEW PHONE NUMBER: 702-537-0979 * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the *DTISP MailScanner* http://www.dtisp.com/, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the *DTISP MailScanner* http://www.dtisp.com/, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses
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Re: [WISPA] he.net
he.net works for me www.he.net does not work for me LaRoy McCann Data Technology On 1/3/2011 4:41 PM, ch...@htswireless.com wrote: It is down for me. I have Att.. Chris -Original Message- From: Matt Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] he.net Anyone else having trouble bringing up www.he.net? It appears to be only a temporary DNS issue. http://dns.he.net/ Routing is fine. We have a server on he.net bandwidth for 6 months and they have always worked great. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] UBNT 900 Gear
Has anyone been deploying the UBNT 900 gear? Just wondering how its working out? LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
If your customer cpe is 2.4 Ghz it might be interference causing the wireless router not to work. I had that problem with a linksys unit that was only a channel or two from the cpe channel and it would not work. Tried 3 different units. Finally change the default channel on the router and it started working. On 11/22/2010 2:26 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Help. I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a customer. He hooked it up, couldn't connect. Does not show in list of available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop. Must be DOA. Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it. Fine, customer can hook it up. Customer calls, can't make it work. I stop in and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop. Two of them DOA seems unlikely, but ... I setup another one. Take it to customer house. Can't see it. Moved it to another room. Still doesn't show up. Get my laptop. Same thing. Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units. Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of using these. I just setup the second one on the test bench. It is working fine. Connected with my laptop and passes traffic just like it should. What do I need to look for at the customer house that would make 3 routers not show up on multiple computers when doing a scan for wireless networks? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I must have angered the Power Supply Gods
I've lost a lot of cpe power supplies lately. On 11/16/2010 4:22 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: Is is just me or are others having serious power supply issues the last two months? I've lost 6 APC Smart UPS 1500 (5 bad batts, 1 Failed unit). We change batteries every two years as a preventative measure. 1 Cisco 12000 Power Supply (never seen one of these fail) 3 Server Power supplies These have all failed at different locations, power grids, etc. No pattern. I'm tired of this nonsense. I'm going to burn a virgin power supply in the yard tonight as a sacrifice! I may even include a Cuban Cigar and some Bourbon. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the *DTISP MailScanner* http://www.dtisp.com/, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Don't forget to factor in the curvature of the earth ;) On 10/20/2010 1:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: So it's 50 foot higher and 10 miles away...what angle is that? On Oct 20, 2010 1:38 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com mailto:cprof...@cv-access.com wrote: Come on Josh, get a couple of land marks from Google Earth, that takes care of left and right, and Google Earth tells you altitude at the base of each plus your height, now it's just up or down from level, a few turns. Google is your friend! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment I just filled a printer page with trig figuring out hoe I'm going to place my projector. There are more uses then people think. On Oct 20, 2010 12:55 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: YES LOL ;) Only once did I know of a a practical use for trig. A friend of mine was trying to make a cut pattern in sheet metal to make a cone. The cone had to fit a certain size at the top and a certain size at the bottom. The cone was a pivotal part of his home brewing system. He is the kind of guy who can buy this stuff pre-made but preferred to do it himself. I don't have that kind of time on my hands, I just buy the stuff. Though he is a bit prouder of HIS homebrew system than I am, and that's the difference. Nobody else who opens my fridge knows, though. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment Am I the only one that uses Trigonometry for vertical alignment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 permail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the *DTISP MailScanner* http://www.dtisp.com/, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] tower climbing helmets
Which helmet are you guys using for tower climbing. I am looking at the Petzl Vertex Vent or the PMI Alto Helmets. Also looking at the PMI Advantage but it looks heaver and I don't know if the brim of the helmet will get in the way. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets
Thanks guys, looks like Petzl wins. On 10/20/2010 4:34 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Petzl Vertex Vent is what we use. Open the vent for summer, close it for winter. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Chin strap is a must. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com mailto:w...@dtisp.com wrote: Which helmet are you guys using for tower climbing. I am looking at the Petzl Vertex Vent or the PMI Alto Helmets. Also looking at the PMI Advantage but it looks heaver and I don't know if the brim of the helmet will get in the way. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the *DTISP MailScanner* http://www.dtisp.com/, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
I just did a ptp install of 5g 2ft rocket dishs at 6.47 miles and could not see either tower. Now I already had a ptp link to another tower from tower 1 so this helped. I used Google Earth to map out the points and then used the ruler to connect each ptp link. I took the map with me on tower 1 and mounted and aligned the dish. I just eyeballed the direction of the dish in relation to the existing dish using the Google map. I got everything powered up and then went to tower 2. At tower 2 I had a landmark that I thought was close to the right direction. Mounted dish and pointed at landmark and had a signal. I then aligned dish while guy on ground gave signal reports. I have not gone back up on tower 1 yet to tweak dish. I actually have a 67 signal when lingowave said it should be 57 so I do need to align dish on tower 1. I did not want to believe Google maps at first but when I actually got up on tower I could tell it was about right. I have tried using a compass but on a tower the compass will not work correctly. Guess the metal structure throws the magnetic field off. On 10/19/2010 10:16 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the *DTISP MailScanner* http://www.dtisp.com/, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Cool Idea. On 10/19/2010 11:12 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: I run up a 3 foot helium balloon and use a pair of binoculars. Works every time. NGL *From:* Data Technology mailto:w...@dtisp.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:06 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment I just did a ptp install of 5g 2ft rocket dishs at 6.47 miles and could not see either tower. Now I already had a ptp link to another tower from tower 1 so this helped. I used Google Earth to map out the points and then used the ruler to connect each ptp link. I took the map with me on tower 1 and mounted and aligned the dish. I just eyeballed the direction of the dish in relation to the existing dish using the Google map. I got everything powered up and then went to tower 2. At tower 2 I had a landmark that I thought was close to the right direction. Mounted dish and pointed at landmark and had a signal. I then aligned dish while guy on ground gave signal reports. I have not gone back up on tower 1 yet to tweak dish. I actually have a 67 signal when lingowave said it should be 57 so I do need to align dish on tower 1. I did not want to believe Google maps at first but when I actually got up on tower I could tell it was about right. I have tried using a compass but on a tower the compass will not work correctly. Guess the metal structure throws the magnetic field off. On 10/19/2010 10:16 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the *DTISP MailScanner* http://www.dtisp.com/, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the *DTISP MailScanner* http://www.dtisp.com/, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA booth at MUM
How well you think this grid will work? lol http://mum.mikrotik.com/gallery/v/US10/MUM_US_10150.jpg.html On 10/8/2010 8:37 AM, Justin Wilson wrote: http://mum.mikrotik.com/gallery/v/US10/MUM_US_10109.jpg.html http://mum.mikrotik.com/gallery/v/US10/MUM_US_10110.jpg.html Forbes -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog -- xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw -- Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting -- Tower Climbing -- Network Support -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the *DTISP MailScanner* http://www.dtisp.com/, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA booth at MUM
Well, as my wife always tells me, did you read the directions? On 10/8/2010 10:40 AM, Butch Evans wrote: On Fri, 2010-10-08 at 10:31 -0500, Data Technology wrote: How well you think this grid will work? lol http://mum.mikrotik.com/gallery/v/US10/MUM_US_10150.jpg.html Now THAT is funny!! I wish I'd seen that while at the show... I must admit, though, that is exactly why my very first link didn't work. :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] {Disarmed} Re: WISPA booth at MUM
What I was referring to was the fact that the feed is mounted 90 deg from where it should be. They have the grid setup for horizontal polarity but the feed is mounted for vertical polarity. On 10/8/2010 11:49 AM, RickG wrote: At first I was skeptical but I had the opportunity to use one of these and was surprised how well it worked. On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com mailto:w...@dtisp.com wrote: How well you think this grid will work? lol http://mum.mikrotik.com/gallery/v/US10/MUM_US_10150.jpg.html On 10/8/2010 8:37 AM, Justin Wilson wrote: http://mum.mikrotik.com/gallery/v/US10/MUM_US_10109.jpg.html http://mum.mikrotik.com/gallery/v/US10/MUM_US_10110.jpg.html Forbes -- Justin Wilson *MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from j...@mtin.net claiming to be* j...@mtin.net http://j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the *DTISP MailScanner* http://www.dtisp.com/, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the *DTISP MailScanner* http://www.dtisp.com/, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Convert Single Pol to Dual Pol
I think this is what you want.
http://store.wisp-router.com/catalog/partdetail.aspx?partno=DA5W-29-DP-FEED
On 9/20/2010 3:05 PM, Chris Gotstein wrote:
I'm having a heck of a time finding the dual pol feed horns. Anyone
have a part number for them?
Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
On 9/17/2010 5:42 PM, David E. Smith wrote:
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 14:36, Chris Gotsteinch...@uplogon.com
mailto:ch...@uplogon.com wrote:
We have some older Pac Wireless 2' 5.8Mhz 29db parabolic dishes serving
as a PtP link. We are going to be upgrading the radios connected to
these dishes, and the new radios support dual polarity. Does anyone
know if you can just swap out the feed horn on the dishes from single
pol to dual pol? Would sure be easier than hauling up a whole new dish
setup. If this would work, anyone got sources that i can buy just a
feed horn? Thanks.
I forget where we bought the feedhorns from, but this can be done.
We actually just replaced two of them, doing exactly what you describe.
There was a catch, though. The feedhorn has two N connectors, a few
inches and ninety degrees apart. One of the two dishes had a smaller
hole in the center, and my climber had to take up snips and a rasp, and
basically put a small notch in the center of the dish, to get the new
feedhorn to fit. The other dish was older, or newer, or something, and
already had a suitable small notch in the center.
David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Tower Climb video
Just wondering about the cost of these training classes and how long are they? On 9/17/2010 9:47 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Just took the Comtrain class last week. 3000 for restraint, 5000 for arrest. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Not entirely correct fall restraint is 2500 i think - the 5000/SF2 is for fall arrest. You need one or the other - not both. And, just because you have your lanyard for fall arrest hooked down by your feet doesn't mean your following the rules or are safe either :) There's lots of details - that's why you can pay to go sit in class and learn about it. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 877-804-3001 x102 *From*: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent*: Friday, September 17, 2010 10:16 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Tower Climb video It isn't. Above 6 feet you must have fall restraint of 5000 lbs+ or a SF2. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: So where in the OSHA regs does it say that free climbing is okay because it takes too much time to move safety lines every few feet? I’m looking…… Don’t see it….. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 9:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Climb video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQv-o5Kgbko Regards, Chuck On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: If you Google for Stairway to heaven Tower you should be able to find it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/15/2010 6:54 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote: Better yet... Notice how its been removed from Youtube due to copyright issues. Yeah right... Randy Cosby wrote: Notice how they blur the faces? Respect for the dead. RIP. Randy On 9/15/2010 9:37 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Makes my palms sweat just watching it WTF isn't he tied off? What an idiot - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:28 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Tower Climb video Mikrotik posted this on their Facebook post. I don’t see the guy clipping off or a safety climb so don’t do as he does (unless I missed the safety portion). _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I _ -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net mailto:j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby| InfoWest, Inc | www.infowest.com http://www.infowest.com Vice President | 435-674-0165 x 2010 | facebook.com/infowest http://facebook.com/infowest WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
[WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti
I think that several of you are using Ubiquiti AirMax Rocket now instead of Mikrotik. I would like to know how they compare: 1. As a point to point link. 2. As an access point. Right now I only use Mikrotik for links and AP's and I use Ubiquiti for cpe. I am ready to install equipment on a new tower and was thinking about Using AirMax Rocket for AP to take avantage of MIMO. I know Rocket will be cheaper but I don't know how they compare to a MT411AH as far as the amount of bandwidth and packets they can process. I am leaning towards MT on the links and Rocket for AP. I am concerned about the plastic cases. I really like having the boards in a metal enclosure so it can be grounded and shielded well. I know I have had problems with lightening popping the ethernet port on the Ubiquiti units even when they are grounded. With MT I can put ethernet surge protection in the enclosure. What are you guys seeing in the real world as the performance and reliability of Rockets? Any do and don'ts would be greatly appreciated here. Thanks and have a great Labor Day. LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Changign DHCP timeout XP/WIn7
Justin, I know exactly why you are asking about this. I have been aggravated by this myself. It's never a issue unless you are in a hurry and then it's like it never times out. You would think there would be a registry setting but I have googled this and lots of people ask about this but no one has the answer. I have used a program in the past called netswitcher. This lets you have preconfigured network setting profiles and pick which one to use. You could have one that setup for dhcp or one that assigns static configurations and then you just select the profile and boom, it is changed. You don't have to reboot, well you do for w98 but not xp. This even configures wireless cards. LaRoy McCann Data Technology On 8/20/2010 2:44 PM, John Valenti wrote: Justin, I don't quite understand what you are trying to do, so I can't offer suggestions. Can you elaborate? (I use a Mac generally, and have that configured with several profiles. But sometimes I use Windows, I know that supports profiles but I've never bothered setting them up.) On Aug 20, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: All fine and dandy but if you are plugged into a standalone device runnign a DHCP server does you no good. How many times has everyone been at a tower site wanting to go home only to have to wait 1-2 minutes until DHCP times out? Then if you have to reboot the device or something. 3 reboots and you have waster 5-10 minutes waiting on windows. - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] ack settings
I have MT for access points and mostly UBNT for client units. Just wondering about the proper way to set the ack on the CPE. I have always just set it for a little further than the customer on the UBNT side and left the MT side to dynamic. This was set differently for each customer. One might be set at 1 mile and one might be set at 5 miles. I read something the other day that said the ack should be set at the furtherest customer plus about 10%. I read this to mean that all customers should be set to the furtherest distance, is this correct? Also searching came up with the fact that the auto ack setting on UBNT is more of a problem that a help. Just looking for suggestions and input on how everyone is setting the client units. And do I leave the access point set to dynamic or should I set it statically as well? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help
Chuck, Here is a link to their site. Looks like they have changed the site but if you download the Rohn 25 brochure you will find what you are looking for. http://www.rohnnet.com/rohn-25g-tower LaRoy McCann Data Technology Chuck Hogg wrote: We purchased a WISP and are doing tower maintenance on one of their towers. I was going to replace the guy wires, bolts, redo the anchors (not a big fan of how it is done), install guy wire brackets, etc. Essentially it is a complete overhaul of the tower. The tower is 150' Rohn 25G. The guy anchors are placed at 51', 51', and 44' from the base (can't be any more because of the lot). Rohn used to have a PDF document going over the requirements for anchors, guy wires, etc. for different guy anchor positions. I cannot find this document, and all I can find is the standard one with the standard 120' anchor placement from the base. Do any of you have any recommendations or documentation on how to figure out the correct materials to be used to support this tower? Moving the guy anchor positions out is not an option. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help
All Rohn tower books I have had show 80% of vertical height for the anchor post. On some towers/heights they go to 2 sets of anchor posts. Even the brochure they have on their site still shows that, 120' for 150' tall tower with 5 sets of guys. http://www.rohnnet.com/resourcesmodule/download_resource/id/511/src/@random48eced0c124b9/ Chuck Hogg wrote: Myself included, nobody wants to climb it. I'm just trying to see if there is any documentation that says this can be done. Obviously it was some idiot that put it up...which is why I'm trying to see if it can even be safely engineered with anchors at these positions. FWIW, I contacted Radian/Rohn. They said because of the new Rev G standard, they do not release any documentation for this type of application. At a minimum, it should be 70% of the height. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help SHUDDER Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:53 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help We purchased a WISP and are doing tower maintenance on one of their towers. I was going to replace the guy wires, bolts, redo the anchors (not a big fan of how it is done), install guy wire brackets, etc. Essentially it is a complete overhaul of the tower. The tower is 150' Rohn 25G. The guy anchors are placed at 51', 51', and 44' from the base (can't be any more because of the lot). Rohn used to have a PDF document going over the requirements for anchors, guy wires, etc. for different guy anchor positions. I cannot find this document, and all I can find is the standard one with the standard 120' anchor placement from the base. Do any of you have any recommendations or documentation on how to figure out the correct materials to be used to support this tower? Moving the guy anchor positions out is not an option. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help
Chuck, I guess I should have read all of you post. I now see that you mentioned that you found the 120' requirement but were looking for engineering for closer spacing. Data Technology wrote: All Rohn tower books I have had show 80% of vertical height for the anchor post. On some towers/heights they go to 2 sets of anchor posts. Even the brochure they have on their site still shows that, 120' for 150' tall tower with 5 sets of guys. http://www.rohnnet.com/resourcesmodule/download_resource/id/511/src/@random48eced0c124b9/ Chuck Hogg wrote: Myself included, nobody wants to climb it. I'm just trying to see if there is any documentation that says this can be done. Obviously it was some idiot that put it up...which is why I'm trying to see if it can even be safely engineered with anchors at these positions. FWIW, I contacted Radian/Rohn. They said because of the new Rev G standard, they do not release any documentation for this type of application. At a minimum, it should be 70% of the height. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help SHUDDER Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:53 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help We purchased a WISP and are doing tower maintenance on one of their towers. I was going to replace the guy wires, bolts, redo the anchors (not a big fan of how it is done), install guy wire brackets, etc. Essentially it is a complete overhaul of the tower. The tower is 150' Rohn 25G. The guy anchors are placed at 51', 51', and 44' from the base (can't be any more because of the lot). Rohn used to have a PDF document going over the requirements for anchors, guy wires, etc. for different guy anchor positions. I cannot find this document, and all I can find is the standard one with the standard 120' anchor placement from the base. Do any of you have any recommendations or documentation on how to figure out the correct materials to be used to support this tower? Moving the guy anchor positions out is not an option. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower
I bet if you cap the ends it will quit whistling. I have the same problem on one of my towers. I have a 1.5 dia pipe as a standoff and it will make sounds when the wind blows. I was up there on a windy day once and I could put my hand over the top of the pipe and it would quit whistling. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Mike wrote: A while back, the amateur community talked me into putting a ham antenna on my highest tower. It is a dual band 2 meter 70 cm DC grounded unit (as per my specs). I built a mount which offsets the stick a couple feet from the tower. A piece of 1 inch PVC through which I passed a piece of poly rope is attached with stainless hose clamps near the top of the stick to lasso the 17 foot stick to keep it from swaying. A couple times this winter when I was outside, I heard this eerie melodic 4 part tone. It sounded like someone blowing across Pan flutes. Now that spring has sprung, every time the wind blows, there is this tune again. While I questioned my sanity this winter, I do think it is coming from the amateur antenna. Although the sound is somewhat melodic and not objectionable, I fear this summer with windows open in the house, it will keep me up at night. I have this fear it will be like when I first put that tower up and put a 10 foot by 20 foot flag at the top to raise awareness in the community. It snapped so loud it would wake you from a sound sleep. One of my best nights was when that flag finally came down. Since everything was done per my requests, and I want to maintain my stead with the amateur community, how does one keep that stick from making those noises? I am hoping someone here has encountered something similar and has a resolve. Regards, Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower
Mike, The pvc standoff you have for the repeater antenna is mounted horizontally and the wind would have to blow just right in order for it to make any sound. I think the wind needs to blow across the opening close to 90 deg to create the sound. If you mounted the 2 in pipe vertically then I bet it is you culprit because the wind can blow from any direction and still blow across the opening to make the sound. As for the SDR-IQ, I bet that is a sweet radio. I have been thinking about a 160m sloper or inverted v off of my tower at the house. I put up a 160m delta loop before winter but I have not been overly impressed with it. 73's LaRoy McCann, N5OHO Data Technology Mike wrote: LaRoy: (and others) Thanks for your analysis and feedback. The more I look, listen and observe, the more I believe you guys have found the melodic culprit. When I put up the amateur antenna, a new backhaul was put up during the same time period. I built that mount with a 2 inch piece of galvanized pipe. So, I am counting open ends of open pipes and the math adds up to a four part melody. The next trip up the tower will see duty capping all ends of all open pipes. I just hope the sound doesn't affect growth of my asparagus or morel mushrooms in the meantime. LOL For you amateur radio operators and armchair SWLers, that 900 foot long wire (actually an inverted Vee) with the apex at 160 feet, coupled to one of these http://rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SDR-IQ.html is beyond compare! The NDB band is a solid band of colors. Even LW signals from Europe come pounding in regularly. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 11:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower I bet if you cap the ends it will quit whistling. I have the same problem on one of my towers. I have a 1.5 dia pipe as a standoff and it will make sounds when the wind blows. I was up there on a windy day once and I could put my hand over the top of the pipe and it would quit whistling. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Mike wrote: A while back, the amateur community talked me into putting a ham antenna on my highest tower. It is a dual band 2 meter 70 cm DC grounded unit (as per my specs). I built a mount which offsets the stick a couple feet from the tower. A piece of 1 inch PVC through which I passed a piece of poly rope is attached with stainless hose clamps near the top of the stick to lasso the 17 foot stick to keep it from swaying. A couple times this winter when I was outside, I heard this eerie melodic 4 part tone. It sounded like someone blowing across Pan flutes. Now that spring has sprung, every time the wind blows, there is this tune again. While I questioned my sanity this winter, I do think it is coming from the amateur antenna. Although the sound is somewhat melodic and not objectionable, I fear this summer with windows open in the house, it will keep me up at night. I have this fear it will be like when I first put that tower up and put a 10 foot by 20 foot flag at the top to raise awareness in the community. It snapped so loud it would wake you from a sound sleep. One of my best nights was when that flag finally came down. Since everything was done per my requests, and I want to maintain my stead with the amateur community, how does one keep that stick from making those noises? I am hoping someone here has encountered something similar and has a resolve. Regards, Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
[WISPA] ubnt bridging
I have an M5 bullet in station bridge mode. This is connected on the ethernet side to an MT router. Thru another port on the MT router I am nating an office. The office computers work fine. I am now trying to route a small subnet to another port on the MT router in order to feed a local access point at the office. The bridged bullet does not appear to be passing the subnet traffic. Am I doing something wrong (I know, other than bridging in the first place)? I am using version 5.1.2 of AirOS. Now I normally would just use an MT unit with 2 radio cards and mount at the top of the tower but I had a bullet laying around and wanted to see what it can do. I use UBNT for all my cpe's and use the router function within them. I also have never used UBNT to try to pass a subnet thru. I just thought that with the advances that UBNT is making I would test some of their stuff but I don't want to get away from MT for network control. LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ubnt bridging
The AP is MT but I don't think that is a problem. MT and UBNT wds work together best I remember. What is the down side to using WDS on the AP? Will the other users on the AP have any performance issues due to using WDS? LaRoy McCann Data Technology Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Change both the Ap CPE (Ubiquity) from reguar to WDS mode... (WDS is the transparent bridge mode on these units). Faisal. On 3/31/2010 3:14 PM, Data Technology wrote: I have an M5 bullet in station bridge mode. This is connected on the ethernet side to an MT router. Thru another port on the MT router I am nating an office. The office computers work fine. I am now trying to route a small subnet to another port on the MT router in order to feed a local access point at the office. The bridged bullet does not appear to be passing the subnet traffic. Am I doing something wrong (I know, other than bridging in the first place)? I am using version 5.1.2 of AirOS. Now I normally would just use an MT unit with 2 radio cards and mount at the top of the tower but I had a bullet laying around and wanted to see what it can do. I use UBNT for all my cpe's and use the router function within them. I also have never used UBNT to try to pass a subnet thru. I just thought that with the advances that UBNT is making I would test some of their stuff but I don't want to get away from MT for network control. LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ubnt bridging
Completely different subnets. AP x.x.x.65/26 (64-127) Bridged Bullet x.x.x.126/26 Local MT x.x.x.125/26 Trying to route x.x.x.192/28 (192-207) from AP to Local MT x.x.x.125 LaRoy McCann Data Technology Greg Ihnen wrote: Is the subnet outside the scope of the ip range the bullet is on? In other words is the bullet on a /24 for example and does the subnet fall within that /24? Greg On Mar 31, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Data Technology wrote: I have an M5 bullet in station bridge mode. This is connected on the ethernet side to an MT router. Thru another port on the MT router I am nating an office. The office computers work fine. I am now trying to route a small subnet to another port on the MT router in order to feed a local access point at the office. The bridged bullet does not appear to be passing the subnet traffic. Am I doing something wrong (I know, other than bridging in the first place)? I am using version 5.1.2 of AirOS. Now I normally would just use an MT unit with 2 radio cards and mount at the top of the tower but I had a bullet laying around and wanted to see what it can do. I use UBNT for all my cpe's and use the router function within them. I also have never used UBNT to try to pass a subnet thru. I just thought that with the advances that UBNT is making I would test some of their stuff but I don't want to get away from MT for network control. LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ubnt bridging
Yeah, that brings back bad memories. I did that once(wds ap mode) and had nothing but problems. I will try the wds station mode and see how that works. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Greg Ihnen wrote: If one end is WDS AP and the other end (the bullet) is WDS Station then there won't be any issues. If you set the bullet to WDS AP as well then you'll half your throughput. Greg On Mar 31, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Data Technology wrote: The AP is MT but I don't think that is a problem. MT and UBNT wds work together best I remember. What is the down side to using WDS on the AP? Will the other users on the AP have any performance issues due to using WDS? LaRoy McCann Data Technology Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Change both the Ap CPE (Ubiquity) from reguar to WDS mode... (WDS is the transparent bridge mode on these units). Faisal. On 3/31/2010 3:14 PM, Data Technology wrote: I have an M5 bullet in station bridge mode. This is connected on the ethernet side to an MT router. Thru another port on the MT router I am nating an office. The office computers work fine. I am now trying to route a small subnet to another port on the MT router in order to feed a local access point at the office. The bridged bullet does not appear to be passing the subnet traffic. Am I doing something wrong (I know, other than bridging in the first place)? I am using version 5.1.2 of AirOS. Now I normally would just use an MT unit with 2 radio cards and mount at the top of the tower but I had a bullet laying around and wanted to see what it can do. I use UBNT for all my cpe's and use the router function within them. I also have never used UBNT to try to pass a subnet thru. I just thought that with the advances that UBNT is making I would test some of their stuff but I don't want to get away from MT for network control. LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ubnt bridging
One thing I have noticed is that when I ping the local MT box (x.x.x.125) ip from the AP I get a reply and I also see icmp traffic on the local MT with torch. If I ping the ip of the subnet that I am trying to route to the local MT box (x.x.x.194) I get several reply's back from x.x.x.126 which is the bullet and I get no traffic on the local MT box. Also, I do have a port on the local MT box configured with an ip (x.x.x.194) of the subnet that I am trying to route. It looks like the bullet is passing it's local subnet traffic. Any other traffic not on it's local subnet it is trying to reply to instead of bridging it. I don't see any option on the bullet to enable / disable proxy-arp. I know sometimes I need proxy-arp on my AP's to make things work. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Stuart Pierce wrote: Shouldn't matter bridged, I've got different networks running through bridged bullets and not in WDS. -- Original Message -- From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:09:57 -0500 Completely different subnets. AP x.x.x.65/26 (64-127) Bridged Bullet x.x.x.126/26 Local MT x.x.x.125/26 Trying to route x.x.x.192/28 (192-207) from AP to Local MT x.x.x.125 LaRoy McCann Data Technology Greg Ihnen wrote: Is the subnet outside the scope of the ip range the bullet is on? In other words is the bullet on a /24 for example and does the subnet fall within that /24? Greg On Mar 31, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Data Technology wrote: I have an M5 bullet in station bridge mode. This is connected on the ethernet side to an MT router. Thru another port on the MT router I am nating an office. The office computers work fine. I am now trying to route a small subnet to another port on the MT router in order to feed a local access point at the office. The bridged bullet does not appear to be passing the subnet traffic. Am I doing something wrong (I know, other than bridging in the first place)? I am using version 5.1.2 of AirOS. Now I normally would just use an MT unit with 2 radio cards and mount at the top of the tower but I had a bullet laying around and wanted to see what it can do. I use UBNT for all my cpe's and use the router function within them. I also have never used UBNT to try to pass a subnet thru. I just thought that with the advances that UBNT is making I would test some of their stuff but I don't want to get away from MT for network control. LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ubnt bridging -- solved
Well, I set the AP to use WDS and the bullet to station wds and now everything works ok. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Data Technology wrote: One thing I have noticed is that when I ping the local MT box (x.x.x.125) ip from the AP I get a reply and I also see icmp traffic on the local MT with torch. If I ping the ip of the subnet that I am trying to route to the local MT box (x.x.x.194) I get several reply's back from x.x.x.126 which is the bullet and I get no traffic on the local MT box. Also, I do have a port on the local MT box configured with an ip (x.x.x.194) of the subnet that I am trying to route. It looks like the bullet is passing it's local subnet traffic. Any other traffic not on it's local subnet it is trying to reply to instead of bridging it. I don't see any option on the bullet to enable / disable proxy-arp. I know sometimes I need proxy-arp on my AP's to make things work. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Stuart Pierce wrote: Shouldn't matter bridged, I've got different networks running through bridged bullets and not in WDS. -- Original Message -- From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:09:57 -0500 Completely different subnets. AP x.x.x.65/26 (64-127) Bridged Bullet x.x.x.126/26 Local MT x.x.x.125/26 Trying to route x.x.x.192/28 (192-207) from AP to Local MT x.x.x.125 LaRoy McCann Data Technology Greg Ihnen wrote: Is the subnet outside the scope of the ip range the bullet is on? In other words is the bullet on a /24 for example and does the subnet fall within that /24? Greg On Mar 31, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Data Technology wrote: I have an M5 bullet in station bridge mode. This is connected on the ethernet side to an MT router. Thru another port on the MT router I am nating an office. The office computers work fine. I am now trying to route a small subnet to another port on the MT router in order to feed a local access point at the office. The bridged bullet does not appear to be passing the subnet traffic. Am I doing something wrong (I know, other than bridging in the first place)? I am using version 5.1.2 of AirOS. Now I normally would just use an MT unit with 2 radio cards and mount at the top of the tower but I had a bullet laying around and wanted to see what it can do. I use UBNT for all my cpe's and use the router function within them. I also have never used UBNT to try to pass a subnet thru. I just thought that with the advances that UBNT is making I would test some of their stuff but I don't want to get away from MT for network control. LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
[WISPA] iPhone ssh app
I know in the last couple of weeks there was a discussion about an ssh app for the iPhone. I did not save the emails because I thought I would never need something like because I don't have an iPhone. But, I bought an iPhone last night and now I am looking for an ssh app. I have found iSSH and the reviews are good about it. I know that $7.99 for an app is a lot of money but if this is the one to have then I don't mind spending the money. This also appears to have a vnc client as well. Any input as far as SSH utilities or any other iPhone apps for WISP operations would be appreciated. LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
I thought I would wait a couple of days before I jailbreak this thing. Sales wrote: Hmm I just goto my iPhones command line via shell and type ssh ipaddress works like a charm. John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Mar 11, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: I know in the last couple of weeks there was a discussion about an ssh app for the iPhone. I did not save the emails because I thought I would never need something like because I don't have an iPhone. But, I bought an iPhone last night and now I am looking for an ssh app. I have found iSSH and the reviews are good about it. I know that $7.99 for an app is a lot of money but if this is the one to have then I don't mind spending the money. This also appears to have a vnc client as well. Any input as far as SSH utilities or any other iPhone apps for WISP operations would be appreciated. LaRoy McCann Data Technology --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
Justin Wilson wrote: The only benefit I have seen so far of Jailbreaking an iphone is being able to tether it. Every App I have wanted to run I can find in the store. Justin I had thought that would be a great thing to have, then I could connect the laptop and have a bigger screen and kbd to browse with. But around here I don't have 3g available, so ATT is slow for the internet. I then thought that I could just use a wi-fi connection (surly I could find one of those!) but then I thought, you big dummy, if I can get a wi-fi connection on the phone to tether to the laptop then I could just connect to the wi-fi with the laptop ;) So I dont't think I really need tethering. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]
Could it be a firewall rule? Paul Gerstenberger wrote: Same story, I disabled OSPF on both devices (but both are still on the 10.0.4.0 network) put this route in the riverstone: ip add route yyy.yyy..0/24 gateway 10.0.4.3 and this in the mikrotik: ip route add dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=10.0.4.1 (pretty sure, I did it from WinBox) Again, I can ping out to all local resources off the riverstone, but I time out when trying to get outside, but I can ping into those publics from an external network. MacBook-Pro:~ pgerst$ traceroute 4.2.2.1 traceroute to 4.2.2.1 (4.2.2.1), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets 1 yyy.yyy.yyy.1 (yyy.yyy.yyy.1) 0.673 ms 0.132 ms 0.165 ms 2 10.0.4.1 (10.0.4.1) 0.406 ms 0.365 ms 0.358 ms 3 * * * -Paul On Feb 11, 2010, at 3:57 AM, Bret Clark wrote: Paul Gerstenberger wrote: There are a number of blackhole routes and ACL lines for unallocated IPs, that's why it's so long. Probably overkill. I'm not running NAT on the mikrotik, but I'm planning doing so with some of these IPs. [ad...@mikrotik] /routing ospf export # feb/11/2010 05:34:32 by RouterOS 4.5 # software id = - # /routing ospf instance set default comment= disabled=no distribute-default=never in-filter=ospf-in metric-bgp=20 \ metric-connected=20 metric-default=1 metric-other-ospf=auto metric-rip=20 metric-static=20 \ name=default out-filter=ospf-out redistribute-bgp=no redistribute-connected=as-type-1 \ redistribute-other-ospf=no redistribute-rip=no redistribute-static=no router-id=10.0.4.3 /routing ospf area set backbone area-id=0.0.0.0 comment= disabled=no instance=default name=backbone type=default /routing ospf interface add authentication=none authentication-key= authentication-key-id=1 comment= cost=10 \ dead-interval=40s disabled=no hello-interval=10s instance-id=0 interface=ether1-gateway \ network-type=broadcast passive=no priority=1 retransmit-interval=5s transmit-delay=1s \ use-bfd=no /routing ospf network add area=backbone comment= disabled=no network=10.0.4.0/27 Here are the relevant routes: RS-1# ip show routes Destination Gateway Owner Netif --- --- - - default ZZZ.ZZZ.ZZZ.25 StaticHREC-EIA 10.0.4.0/27 directly connected - WISP-201 YYY.YYY.YYY.0/2410.0.4.3 OSPF_ASE WISP-201 XXX.XXX.XXX.24/30directly connected - HREC-EIA [ad...@mikrotik] ip route print Flags: X - disabled, A - active, D - dynamic, C - connect, S - static, r - rip, b - bgp, o - ospf, m - mme, B - blackhole, U - unreachable, P - prohibit # DST-ADDRESSPREF-SRCGATEWAYDISTANCE 0 ADo 0.0.0.0/0 -10.0.4.1 110 2 ADC 10.0.4.0/2710.0.4.3ether1-gateway 0 30 ADC yyy.yyy.yyy.0/24 zzz.zzz.zzz.1 ether2-local 0 44 ADo xxx.xxx.xxx.24/30 -10.0.4.1 110 -Paul Strange...everything looks right to me. Routing tables are as I would expect. You don't happen to have any ACL's being applied to the interface that the Mikrotik is attached too? What happen if you eliminate using OSPF for now and just setup the configuration using static routes? Does it work then? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]
You said that you have one of the public ip's assigned to the riverstone. That might be causing the problem. What netmask did you use on the riverstone for the public ip? If you used a /24 then the riverstone thinks that whole subnet is attached to it and is probably ignoring the routing for the /24 back to the MT. Bret Clark wrote: At this point I think I would just port mirror on a port on the Riverstone and see what Wireshark is showing. I see nothing wrong with the routing statements and I know it works as we have a fair number of Mikrotiks running with RS3000's and RS8000's using OSPF's. On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 10:20 -0800, Paul Gerstenberger wrote: I have public IPs, the 10.0.4.0 network is my OSPF backbone network. I'm not trying to go out with those addresses. What I've put down as yyy.yyy.yyy.0/24 signifies my new public IPs. I'm using one of the new public IPs right now, but I had to attach it to the riverstone (which holds the default gateway to our ISP). -Paul On Feb 11, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: NAT. your 10.x is privates, you may need to nat them out. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF] I have the new network permitted in my ingress and egress ACLs for our outbound interface. I've also tried using a smaller subnet of IPs from a different pool that we've been using for years. And I briefly disabled the ACLs altogether to test. And when I attach this network direct to the riverstone, everything works. That's why I though it was an internal routing misconfiguration. -Paul On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Data Technology wrote: Could it be a firewall rule? Paul Gerstenberger wrote: Same story, I disabled OSPF on both devices (but both are still on the 10.0.4.0 network) put this route in the riverstone: ip add route yyy.yyy..0/24 gateway 10.0.4.3 and this in the mikrotik: ip route add dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=10.0.4.1 (pretty sure, I did it from WinBox) Again, I can ping out to all local resources off the riverstone, but I time out when trying to get outside, but I can ping into those publics from an external network. MacBook-Pro:~ pgerst$ traceroute 4.2.2.1 traceroute to 4.2.2.1 (4.2.2.1), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets 1 yyy.yyy.yyy.1 (yyy.yyy.yyy.1) 0.673 ms 0.132 ms 0.165 ms 2 10.0.4.1 (10.0.4.1) 0.406 ms 0.365 ms 0.358 ms 3 * * * -Paul On Feb 11, 2010, at 3:57 AM, Bret Clark wrote: Paul Gerstenberger wrote: There are a number of blackhole routes and ACL lines for unallocated IPs, that's why it's so long. Probably overkill. I'm not running NAT on the mikrotik, but I'm planning doing so with some of these IPs. [ad...@mikrotik] /routing ospf export # feb/11/2010 05:34:32 by RouterOS 4.5 # software id = - # /routing ospf instance set default comment= disabled=no distribute-default=never in-filter=ospf-in metric-bgp=20 \ metric-connected=20 metric-default=1 metric-other-ospf=auto metric-rip=20 metric-static=20 \ name=default out-filter=ospf-out redistribute-bgp=no redistribute-connected=as-type-1 \ redistribute-other-ospf=no redistribute-rip=no redistribute-static=no router-id=10.0.4.3 /routing ospf area set backbone area-id=0.0.0.0 comment= disabled=no instance=default name=backbone type=default /routing ospf interface add authentication=none authentication-key= authentication-key-id=1 comment= cost=10 \ dead-interval=40s disabled=no hello-interval=10s instance-id=0 interface=ether1-gateway \ network-type=broadcast passive=no priority=1 retransmit-interval=5s transmit-delay=1s \ use-bfd=no /routing ospf network add area=backbone comment= disabled=no network=10.0.4.0/27 Here are the relevant routes: RS-1# ip show routes Destination Gateway Owner Netif --- --- - - default ZZZ.ZZZ.ZZZ.25 StaticHREC-EIA 10.0.4.0/27 directly connected - WISP-201 YYY.YYY.YYY.0/2410.0.4.3 OSPF_ASE WISP-201
Re: [WISPA] Condolences and prayers for the people Haiti
I live on Crowley's Ridge which was formed from the Mew Madrid earth quake. My house is only about 17 miles from the fault zone. Lets hope the big one doesn't hit. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Trumann, AR 72472 Mike wrote: Prayers to all the good people of Haiti. This is an awful event. If plate tectonics are in motion here in the western hemisphere, we can only hope the New Madrid fault isn't next. God help those in St. Louis and Memphis if so. The largest earthquake in this hemisphere was on that fault, and is estimated to have been an 8 on the scale, or 10 times more powerful than the Haitian one yesterday. The New Madrid quake was 199 years ago this month, or the same time frame as the last big quake in Haiti. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Condolences and prayers for the people Haiti And there are a few good WISPs there. Patrick WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Semi-OT Cisco PoE
Mike, What system are using the phone with? I just got a couple of Polycom IP 335 phones in today to play around with. I have installed Trixbox with a Linksys SPA3102 and a Grandstream GXW4108 gateway and it seems to work ok. Not had time to configure the Polycom's yet. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Mike Hammett wrote: To answer my own question, it appears that I could use a standard PacWireless 48v PoE and just cross pins 4/5 and 7/8. 4/5 are negative and 7/8 are positive on the Cisco, while 4/5 are positive and 7/8 are negative on the PacWireless. PacWireless does have a reversed model, but it's only 24v vs. the 48v required for the Cisco. To make all of this moot, I found a Cisco PoE unit immediately under the Cisco phone. DOH! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:57 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Semi-OT Cisco PoE I believe I need a AIR-PWRINJ3 PoE injector for a Cisco 7960 phone. Would anything we use be an appropriate replacement? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Condolences and prayers for the people Haiti
Yes, our prayers are with them. I know time is of the essence. Unlike some countries, at lease Hatti is a country that will let the humanitarian aid in to help. Jeff Broadwick wrote: It's not like the folks in Haiti had anything before this, and right now it's going to be even worse. They need prayer and they need help! We felt it the last time there was a significant earthquake on the New Madrid...and we are in northern Indiana. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:47 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Condolences and prayers for the people Haiti Prayers to all the good people of Haiti. This is an awful event. If plate tectonics are in motion here in the western hemisphere, we can only hope the New Madrid fault isn't next. God help those in St. Louis and Memphis if so. The largest earthquake in this hemisphere was on that fault, and is estimated to have been an 8 on the scale, or 10 times more powerful than the Haitian one yesterday. The New Madrid quake was 199 years ago this month, or the same time frame as the last big quake in Haiti. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Condolences and prayers for the people Haiti And there are a few good WISPs there. Patrick WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
Never say never !! Take a look at the video on this web site. http://www.flagpoleclimber.com/aboutus.html lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Ok. There is no way to service or install equipment on a stealth pole without a manlift or crane with a basket The pole is a spindle design inside. Picture a solid pipe *axel with two solid round wheels one on each end. Now take the whole assembly and stand it on end. Now stack several of them and put them at the top of a standard open monopole. There are cable ports cut in the wheels so the cabling can run thru the sections. The sections are wrapped in polyethelyne (or similar) covers usually 2 to 4 per level. They are held in by bolts or special latches. Now the warning.. As a contractor I mark all my jobs up an additional 50% when working on a stealth flagpole. The suck to work on. You need two guys to remove a cover MINIMUM. They don't have handles so they are very hard to handle. The slightest wind can make removal or install super difficult if not impossible. There have been times where we needed to return a day or two later to put covers on when the weather calmed down. They don't line up correctly when reinstalling them. You need a large narrow awl or HD screwdriver for leverage. The covers are VERY expensive. The cheapest one I have seen is $2K and they crack and break real easy even though they are 1/2 or so thick. On older poles they can be as much as $5K. If you are located on a level below cell carriers you may be in trouble. When installing cell cabling in a monopole a capstan is used. The cable can get hung up on your CAT5 cabling and tear it out or damage it. Your radios, antennas and mounts need to be rugged and withstand physical jarring. Your cable needs to be well restrained. This is not the site to go cheap on the install. When installing on one of these sites you need to keep an open mind and consider everything especially the unknown. Personally I would walk away. Good Luck -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:10:56 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower? I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J mounts. On another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded studs off the angle. Scott Carullo wrote: I will need to... can you share with me how it is configured inside? Thinking about some UBNT gear up there. Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower? Not sure I can shimmie that high lol Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
I guess I was in a hurry and did not read it carefully. I just read flag pole. Sorry about that. akel...@gbcx.net wrote: That's a regular flagpole. When he stated he wanted to mount an antenna and radio INSIDE I assumed he was talking about a cellular flagpole. I stoll assume that. You are never going to climb acell flagpole like in the video. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:10:21 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower? Never say never !! Take a look at the video on this web site. http://www.flagpoleclimber.com/aboutus.html lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Ok. There is no way to service or install equipment on a stealth pole without a manlift or crane with a basket The pole is a spindle design inside. Picture a solid pipe *axel with two solid round wheels one on each end. Now take the whole assembly and stand it on end. Now stack several of them and put them at the top of a standard open monopole. There are cable ports cut in the wheels so the cabling can run thru the sections. The sections are wrapped in polyethelyne (or similar) covers usually 2 to 4 per level. They are held in by bolts or special latches. Now the warning.. As a contractor I mark all my jobs up an additional 50% when working on a stealth flagpole. The suck to work on. You need two guys to remove a cover MINIMUM. They don't have handles so they are very hard to handle. The slightest wind can make removal or install super difficult if not impossible. There have been times where we needed to return a day or two later to put covers on when the weather calmed down. They don't line up correctly when reinstalling them. You need a large narrow awl or HD screwdriver for leverage. The covers are VERY expensive. The cheapest one I have seen is $2K and they crack and break real easy even though they are 1/2 or so thick. On older poles they can be as much as $5K. If you are located on a level below cell carriers you may be in trouble. When installing cell cabling in a monopole a capstan is used. The cable can get hung up on your CAT5 cabling and tear it out or damage it. Your radios, antennas and mounts need to be rugged and withstand physical jarring. Your cable needs to be well restrained. This is not the site to go cheap on the install. When installing on one of these sites you need to keep an open mind and consider everything especially the unknown. Personally I would walk away. Good Luck -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:10:56 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower? I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J mounts. On another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded studs off the angle. Scott Carullo wrote: I will need to... can you share with me how it is configured inside? Thinking about some UBNT gear up there. Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower? Not sure I can shimmie that high lol Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor with UBNT radios or Mikrotik?
Yes you can. You have to move the ground jumper. Just loosen the nuts and move the jumper to the hole with no copper. The jumper will short out the + voltage to ground. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Scott Carullo wrote: Not sure if it matters that the voltage + and - are swapped... Thanks Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor with UBNT radios or Mikrotik?
Good point about the voltage. I use them mostly for UBNT CPE. What MT units I used them with were 18 or 24V. Tom DeReggi wrote: The 600SSB still clamps at 35V like the 300SS, right? If so, make sure you are using Less than 35V Mikrotiks units and not 48V configurations. As an alternative Citel also makes a nice outdoor mountable unit specifically for wifi pin-outs, about the same cost ($25ish). They have both 60Vand 35V models. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor with UBNT radios or Mikrotik? Yes you can. You have to move the ground jumper. Just loosen the nuts and move the jumper to the hole with no copper. The jumper will short out the + voltage to ground. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Scott Carullo wrote: Not sure if it matters that the voltage + and - are swapped... Thanks Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor with UBNT radios or Mikrotik?
I guess I hit enter before I was thru typing. I also use the Citel in-line suppressors (60v) in every AP that I build. http://www.citel.us/data_sheets/dataline/MJ850524D3A6012B-DataSheet.pdf Knock on wood, I have never lost an ethernet port on a unit that has this surge suppressor installed. I had an AP go dead a couple of months ago. When I opened the enclosure there was water in the bottom of the enclosure and the surge suppressor was actually melted from the connector shorting out, but the MT board was fine. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Josh Luthman wrote: I know it isn't said very often but the voltages for the devices we commonly use are Canopy 12-24v Nano/Locostations 12-25v MT 4xx 10-28v Cordless drill battery 18-22v Having a mobile POE priceless Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Good point about the voltage. I use them mostly for UBNT CPE. What MT units I used them with were 18 or 24V. Tom DeReggi wrote: The 600SSB still clamps at 35V like the 300SS, right? If so, make sure you are using Less than 35V Mikrotiks units and not 48V configurations. As an alternative Citel also makes a nice outdoor mountable unit specifically for wifi pin-outs, about the same cost ($25ish). They have both 60Vand 35V models. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor with UBNT radios or Mikrotik? Yes you can. You have to move the ground jumper. Just loosen the nuts and move the jumper to the hole with no copper. The jumper will short out the + voltage to ground. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Scott Carullo wrote: Not sure if it matters that the voltage + and - are swapped... Thanks Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean
[WISPA] UBNT M5 series nanostation
I have not used any UBNT M series units yet so I have a couple of questions. Is an NS M5 compatible with Mikrotik 802.11N or does it have to be used with the Rocket M basestation? Can it be used with Mikrotik 802.11A? LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M5 series nanostation
Thanks, Eje Gustafsson wrote: Yes a NSM5 can talk with a MikroTik 11n unit. Currently they have some issues with the M5's talking with Legacy (802.11a) equipment a new firmware should be forth coming shortly. The latest solved a lot of the problems but not completely. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] UBNT M5 series nanostation I have not used any UBNT M series units yet so I have a couple of questions. Is an NS M5 compatible with Mikrotik 802.11N or does it have to be used with the Rocket M basestation? Can it be used with Mikrotik 802.11A? LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ip addresses
That's the way I figured it. I currently have a /21 and they were saying I barely could justify a /22 which was ok with me. I have put my bridgeed wireless units on private ip's so I could make due for a while with a /22. I just got another reply from my new provider. Looks like they are planning on giving me a /21 + the 9th block of addresses. Maybe I should not look a gift horse in the mouth!! LaRoy Matt Jenkins wrote: A /21 is 8 blocks of IP addresses. So if it starts at x.x.56.0 then it would end at x.x.63.255 - Matt Data Technology wrote: Correction to the starting ip. x.x.56.0 Guess I can't type. Data Technology wrote: Ok guys, I know I am not a networking genius, but I think something is wrong with this range of ip addresses that my new provider is assigning me. I have been told the range of ip's will be x.x.53.0 ... x.x.64.255. I questioned them if if should not be x.x.53.0 ... x.x.63.255. This would give a /21, according to my fingers and my subnet calculator. They said no, this is the range. SO, is there something I am missing, can this range be routed as one subnet to me? Am I the crazy one? LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lanyards and Rebar Hooks
Robert, I just bought one of these a couple of months ago. Don't know if it will keep me from killing my self because I have not had the misfortune to try it out yet ;) http://www.midwestunlimited.com/detail.lasso?cat_master=1002cat_level=1023product_id=10709 I don't know if these numbers are working but there are 2 numbers and an email link on their website. http://www.superiormusic.com/towerjack01.htm Robert West wrote: Looking for a source for lanyards with rebar hooks but for a decent price, as in cheap but not so cheap I'll kill myself using it.Yeah, I can Google all day looking, and lots of times I do, but thought if someone is happy with a supplier who has good quality and decent price, may as well ask. ALSO. Man, I've been trying to buy a tower jack for Rohn 25g sections for months! The guy who makes it, his site is up but phone disconnected, no answer to email. I call Tesco, EXPENSIVE but they tell me out of stock anyhow.I call wb0w, they tell me to call the number of the guy who makes it, the disconnected number of course, and a place north of me also lists it so I stopped in, and sure enough, we no have, call the guy who makes it. Right. I'm going to go back to hauling a bottle jack and wood 100+ feet up on a Rohn 25g. I'm so flippin' pleased. I'm about to just haul a saws all up and be done with it. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lanyards and Rebar Hooks
Scott, Take a look at the picture on the home page. http://www.superiormusic.com/towerjack.htm The notches cut on the jack fit around the horizontal rungs and to take the section apart you pull down on the handle. To help pull the section together you place the hook around the top rung and pull down on the handle. I have the hevi duty version which also has a leg aligner on it. I don't think I have ever needed to use the leg aligner. This is a lot easier than using a bottle jack and 2 2x4's. I came up with one better than that once. It was using a car jack and bolting the 2x4's to it so did not have to worry about loosing a 2x4. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Scott Reed wrote: Since I am not the one that does our tower work, I will let my curiosity ask, how do you use the tower jack? Data Technology wrote: Robert, I just bought one of these a couple of months ago. Don't know if it will keep me from killing my self because I have not had the misfortune to try it out yet ;) http://www.midwestunlimited.com/detail.lasso?cat_master=1002cat_level=1023product_id=10709 I don't know if these numbers are working but there are 2 numbers and an email link on their website. http://www.superiormusic.com/towerjack01.htm Robert West wrote: Looking for a source for lanyards with rebar hooks but for a decent price, as in cheap but not so cheap I'll kill myself using it.Yeah, I can Google all day looking, and lots of times I do, but thought if someone is happy with a supplier who has good quality and decent price, may as well ask. ALSO. Man, I've been trying to buy a tower jack for Rohn 25g sections for months! The guy who makes it, his site is up but phone disconnected, no answer to email. I call Tesco, EXPENSIVE but they tell me out of stock anyhow.I call wb0w, they tell me to call the number of the guy who makes it, the disconnected number of course, and a place north of me also lists it so I stopped in, and sure enough, we no have, call the guy who makes it. Right. I'm going to go back to hauling a bottle jack and wood 100+ feet up on a Rohn 25g. I'm so flippin' pleased. I'm about to just haul a saws all up and be done with it. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lanyards and Rebar Hooks
It also works on Rohn 45 Scott Reed wrote: Duh! I looked at that picture and just went on the products page. Should have realized it was showing how to use it. Data Technology wrote: Scott, Take a look at the picture on the home page. http://www.superiormusic.com/towerjack.htm The notches cut on the jack fit around the horizontal rungs and to take the section apart you pull down on the handle. To help pull the section together you place the hook around the top rung and pull down on the handle. I have the hevi duty version which also has a leg aligner on it. I don't think I have ever needed to use the leg aligner. This is a lot easier than using a bottle jack and 2 2x4's. I came up with one better than that once. It was using a car jack and bolting the 2x4's to it so did not have to worry about loosing a 2x4. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Scott Reed wrote: Since I am not the one that does our tower work, I will let my curiosity ask, how do you use the tower jack? Data Technology wrote: Robert, I just bought one of these a couple of months ago. Don't know if it will keep me from killing my self because I have not had the misfortune to try it out yet ;) http://www.midwestunlimited.com/detail.lasso?cat_master=1002cat_level=1023product_id=10709 I don't know if these numbers are working but there are 2 numbers and an email link on their website. http://www.superiormusic.com/towerjack01.htm Robert West wrote: Looking for a source for lanyards with rebar hooks but for a decent price, as in cheap but not so cheap I'll kill myself using it.Yeah, I can Google all day looking, and lots of times I do, but thought if someone is happy with a supplier who has good quality and decent price, may as well ask. ALSO. Man, I've been trying to buy a tower jack for Rohn 25g sections for months! The guy who makes it, his site is up but phone disconnected, no answer to email. I call Tesco, EXPENSIVE but they tell me out of stock anyhow.I call wb0w, they tell me to call the number of the guy who makes it, the disconnected number of course, and a place north of me also lists it so I stopped in, and sure enough, we no have, call the guy who makes it. Right. I'm going to go back to hauling a bottle jack and wood 100+ feet up on a Rohn 25g. I'm so flippin' pleased. I'm about to just haul a saws all up and be done with it. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over
I am trying to configure an rb450 v4.3 to connect to 2 different providers with dhcp using 1 as the primary and the other as a backup. I would like it to switch over to the backup if the primary service is down. I want to nat local users to either service. I assume I will need to use netwatch to check the servcie availability so I can check all the way thru the providers service and not just the local physical connection. The question is what do I need to do when the primary goes down? I thought I could just change the distance on the route but I found out it will not let you change the distance if the default route is set by the dhcp-client. I have looked at some of the examples on the wiki but they all use static ip address and I am wanting to use dhcp. Anyone have any pointers? Thanks LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over
Sounds too easy :) I'll give it a try. Thanks LaRoy e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Just change the nat to use the other public ip since your already masquerading just change that rule to src-nat and set the public ip to src-nat to. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Data Technology Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over Sent: Dec 1, 2009 15:30 I am trying to configure an rb450 v4.3 to connect to 2 different providers with dhcp using 1 as the primary and the other as a backup. I would like it to switch over to the backup if the primary service is down. I want to nat local users to either service. I assume I will need to use netwatch to check the servcie availability so I can check all the way thru the providers service and not just the local physical connection. The question is what do I need to do when the primary goes down? I thought I could just change the distance on the route but I found out it will not let you change the distance if the default route is set by the dhcp-client. I have looked at some of the examples on the wiki but they all use static ip address and I am wanting to use dhcp. Anyone have any pointers? Thanks LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over
Josh, That is what I was trying to do but I was trying to use /ip route set ether1 distance=3 instead of /ip dhcp-client set ether1 default-route-distance=3. Thanks LaRoy Josh Luthman wrote: This might help you http://stfunoo.be/?p=268 I like using route distance since 3.11 DHCP can do it. It has worked very well for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Sounds too easy :) I'll give it a try. Thanks LaRoy e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Just change the nat to use the other public ip since your already masquerading just change that rule to src-nat and set the public ip to src-nat to. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Data Technology Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over Sent: Dec 1, 2009 15:30 I am trying to configure an rb450 v4.3 to connect to 2 different providers with dhcp using 1 as the primary and the other as a backup. I would like it to switch over to the backup if the primary service is down. I want to nat local users to either service. I assume I will need to use netwatch to check the servcie availability so I can check all the way thru the providers service and not just the local physical connection. The question is what do I need to do when the primary goes down? I thought I could just change the distance on the route but I found out it will not let you change the distance if the default route is set by the dhcp-client. I have looked at some of the examples on the wiki but they all use static ip address and I am wanting to use dhcp. Anyone have any pointers? Thanks LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over
Yeah, when I looked at the article you listed it clicked. I don't use the command line except when I have to so I was a little off on the command to change the distance setting. I have version 4.3 so that should not be a problem. I've been using MT for several years but I have gotten past the 2.9.x. I think oldest is 3.25. Josh Luthman wrote: First one is definitely not going to work. Second one is what you need =) Do keep in mind you need 3.11+. If you're new to Mikrotik there is little reason to be concerned, but some users such as myself still have 2.9.50 or 51 stuff! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Josh, That is what I was trying to do but I was trying to use /ip route set ether1 distance=3 instead of /ip dhcp-client set ether1 default-route-distance=3. Thanks LaRoy Josh Luthman wrote: This might help you http://stfunoo.be/?p=268 I like using route distance since 3.11 DHCP can do it. It has worked very well for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Sounds too easy :) I'll give it a try. Thanks LaRoy e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Just change the nat to use the other public ip since your already masquerading just change that rule to src-nat and set the public ip to src-nat to. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Data Technology Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over Sent: Dec 1, 2009 15:30 I am trying to configure an rb450 v4.3 to connect to 2 different providers with dhcp using 1 as the primary and the other as a backup. I would like it to switch over to the backup if the primary service is down. I want to nat local users to either service. I assume I will need to use netwatch to check the servcie availability so I can check all the way thru the providers service and not just the local physical connection. The question is what do I need to do when the primary goes down? I thought I could just change the distance on the route but I found out it will not let you change the distance if the default route is set by the dhcp-client. I have looked at some of the examples on the wiki but they all use static ip address and I am wanting to use dhcp. Anyone have any pointers? Thanks LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean
Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over
Well I have always used the command line for most things I learned to configure hp-ux systems back in the 80's when the command line was the only way. I still configure my linux servers via the command line and laugh at anyone that wants to us a GUI. But MT has made configuring via the GUI so easy that is hard for me to use the command line except when I am testing scripts. Guess maybe I am a wimp? Josh Luthman wrote: Lucky you, glad you could have 3.x everywhere! I could be wrong as it may just be my experience, but the command line for custom things is necessary as the GUI doesn't show everything. I started with GUI and moved a lot to CLI as it seems easier/faster. Hopefully it's simply a personal preference! There are places like wireless where the GUI is almost required as the CLI is difficult to navigate and may not even have some values. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Yeah, when I looked at the article you listed it clicked. I don't use the command line except when I have to so I was a little off on the command to change the distance setting. I have version 4.3 so that should not be a problem. I've been using MT for several years but I have gotten past the 2.9.x. I think oldest is 3.25. Josh Luthman wrote: First one is definitely not going to work. Second one is what you need =) Do keep in mind you need 3.11+. If you're new to Mikrotik there is little reason to be concerned, but some users such as myself still have 2.9.50 or 51 stuff! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Josh, That is what I was trying to do but I was trying to use /ip route set ether1 distance=3 instead of /ip dhcp-client set ether1 default-route-distance=3. Thanks LaRoy Josh Luthman wrote: This might help you http://stfunoo.be/?p=268 I like using route distance since 3.11 DHCP can do it. It has worked very well for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Sounds too easy :) I'll give it a try. Thanks LaRoy e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Just change the nat to use the other public ip since your already masquerading just change that rule to src-nat and set the public ip to src-nat to. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Data Technology Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over Sent: Dec 1, 2009 15:30 I am trying to configure an rb450 v4.3 to connect to 2 different providers with dhcp using 1 as the primary and the other as a backup. I would like it to switch over to the backup if the primary service is down. I want to nat local users to either service. I assume I will need to use netwatch to check the servcie availability so I can check all the way thru the providers service and not just the local physical connection. The question is what do I need to do when the primary goes down? I thought I could just change the distance on the route but I found out it will not let you change the distance if the default route is set by the dhcp-client. I have looked at some of the examples on the wiki but they all use static ip address and I am wanting to use dhcp. Anyone have any pointers? Thanks LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless
Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over
Yes the dsl modem is handing out a dhcp address. I figure I will have to ping way back upstream to check the connection vs just pinging the dhcp modem. I was thinking that if I just change the distance value to a higher value then I could leave the interface up and nat should use the route with the lowest distance value. (not tested yet) Then I could ping with a source address of the dsl interface and it should go out the dsl line even though the distance is set higher than the backup. (not tested yet) Dennis Burgess wrote: There are other things to also keep in mind when dealing with DHCP, i.e. is your DHCP being handed out locally. sSo if you have a DSL line is the DSL modem handing this out? if so, then watching that connection is useless, you will have to do some policy based routing and checks to verify that it is up and bring it down if it is not up. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over Lucky you, glad you could have 3.x everywhere! I could be wrong as it may just be my experience, but the command line for custom things is necessary as the GUI doesn't show everything. I started with GUI and moved a lot to CLI as it seems easier/faster. Hopefully it's simply a personal preference! There are places like wireless where the GUI is almost required as the CLI is difficult to navigate and may not even have some values. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Yeah, when I looked at the article you listed it clicked. I don't use the command line except when I have to so I was a little off on the command to change the distance setting. I have version 4.3 so that should not be a problem. I've been using MT for several years but I have gotten past the 2.9.x. I think oldest is 3.25. Josh Luthman wrote: First one is definitely not going to work. Second one is what you need =) Do keep in mind you need 3.11+. If you're new to Mikrotik there is little reason to be concerned, but some users such as myself still have 2.9.50 or 51 stuff! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Josh, That is what I was trying to do but I was trying to use /ip route set ether1 distance=3 instead of /ip dhcp-client set ether1 default-route-distance=3. Thanks LaRoy Josh Luthman wrote: This might help you http://stfunoo.be/?p=268 I like using route distance since 3.11 DHCP can do it. It has worked very well for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Sounds too easy :) I'll give it a try. Thanks LaRoy e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Just change the nat to use the other public ip since your already masquerading just change that rule to src-nat and set the public ip to src-nat to. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Data Technology Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over Sent: Dec 1, 2009 15:30 I am trying to configure an rb450 v4.3 to connect to 2 different providers with dhcp using 1 as the primary and the other as a backup. I would like it to switch over to the backup if the primary service is down. I want to nat local users to either service. I assume I will need to use netwatch to check the servcie availability so I can check all the way thru the providers service and not just the local physical connection. The question is what do I need to do when the primary goes down? I thought I could
Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over
Josh Luthman wrote: I was thinking that if I just change the distance value to a higher value then I could leave the interface up and nat should use the route with the lowest distance value. (not tested yet) That is how static routing works - it picks the lowest distance. If you have two routes identical except the distance, then the lower distance is used. Then I could ping with a source address of the dsl interface and it should go out the dsl line even though the distance is set higher than the backup. (not tested yet) I have always had one interface a static IP/route so this was easy. Not sure how to force a certain destination when it is using dhcp-client. I know the netwatch will not work for this but I saw a script (inproved netwatch) that will use the ping command to check an ip address. Ping has an option (that was broke until 3.28) to use source-address. I figure if it is using a source address of the dsl interface that went down it should try to ping out that interface instead of the one with the lowest distance. This is my thinking of how this might work. Hopefully it will work this way. I will know soon. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Yes the dsl modem is handing out a dhcp address. I figure I will have to ping way back upstream to check the connection vs just pinging the dhcp modem. I was thinking that if I just change the distance value to a higher value then I could leave the interface up and nat should use the route with the lowest distance value. (not tested yet) Then I could ping with a source address of the dsl interface and it should go out the dsl line even though the distance is set higher than the backup. (not tested yet) Dennis Burgess wrote: There are other things to also keep in mind when dealing with DHCP, i.e. is your DHCP being handed out locally. sSo if you have a DSL line is the DSL modem handing this out? if so, then watching that connection is useless, you will have to do some policy based routing and checks to verify that it is up and bring it down if it is not up. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over Lucky you, glad you could have 3.x everywhere! I could be wrong as it may just be my experience, but the command line for custom things is necessary as the GUI doesn't show everything. I started with GUI and moved a lot to CLI as it seems easier/faster. Hopefully it's simply a personal preference! There are places like wireless where the GUI is almost required as the CLI is difficult to navigate and may not even have some values. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Yeah, when I looked at the article you listed it clicked. I don't use the command line except when I have to so I was a little off on the command to change the distance setting. I have version 4.3 so that should not be a problem. I've been using MT for several years but I have gotten past the 2.9.x. I think oldest is 3.25. Josh Luthman wrote: First one is definitely not going to work. Second one is what you need =) Do keep in mind you need 3.11+. If you're new to Mikrotik there is little reason to be concerned, but some users such as myself still have 2.9.50 or 51 stuff! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Josh, That is what I was trying to do but I was trying to use /ip route set ether1 distance=3 instead of /ip dhcp-client set ether1 default-route-distance=3. Thanks LaRoy Josh Luthman wrote: This might help you http://stfunoo.be/?p=268 I like using route distance since 3.11 DHCP can do it. It has worked very well for me
Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over
This won't work because if the dsl provider is down somewhere within their network the dsl modem will still answer ping requests on the local interface. Jerry Richardson wrote: It's also likely the gateway doesn't change, just the IP address. Ping the gateway on WAN1 and if it stops responding activate WAN2 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 3:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over That's a good idea - find an IP only responsive on that network. I think DNS servers will respond to pings (but not DNS queries) off network. Test it with dig/ping. I can tell you if it works from my network if you share the IP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: just ping the DSL provider's DNS server. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over Yes the dsl modem is handing out a dhcp address. I figure I will have to ping way back upstream to check the connection vs just pinging the dhcp modem. I was thinking that if I just change the distance value to a higher value then I could leave the interface up and nat should use the route with the lowest distance value. (not tested yet) Then I could ping with a source address of the dsl interface and it should go out the dsl line even though the distance is set higher than the backup. (not tested yet) Dennis Burgess wrote: There are other things to also keep in mind when dealing with DHCP, i.e. is your DHCP being handed out locally. sSo if you have a DSL line is the DSL modem handing this out? if so, then watching that connection is useless, you will have to do some policy based routing and checks to verify that it is up and bring it down if it is not up. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over Lucky you, glad you could have 3.x everywhere! I could be wrong as it may just be my experience, but the command line for custom things is necessary as the GUI doesn't show everything. I started with GUI and moved a lot to CLI as it seems easier/faster. Hopefully it's simply a personal preference! There are places like wireless where the GUI is almost required as the CLI is difficult to navigate and may not even have some values. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Yeah, when I looked at the article you listed it clicked. I don't use the command line except when I have to so I was a little off on the command to change the distance setting. I have version 4.3 so that should not be a problem. I've been using MT for several years but I have gotten past the 2.9.x. I think oldest is 3.25. Josh Luthman wrote: First one is definitely not going to work. Second one is what you need =) Do keep in mind you need 3.11+. If you're new to Mikrotik there is little reason to be concerned, but some users such as myself still have 2.9.50 or 51 stuff! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Josh, That is what I was trying to do but I was trying to use /ip route set ether1 distance=3 instead of /ip dhcp-client set ether1 default-route-distance=3. Thanks LaRoy Josh Luthman wrote: This might help you http://stfunoo.be/?p=268 I like using route distance since 3.11 DHCP can do it. It has worked very well for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552
Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over
Ok, Thanks. I have enough to get started. Will cross the next problem when I get to it. Well I guess I am going home. I'll play around a little with this tonight. Dennis Burgess wrote: It will work, but there is other work to be done. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over Josh Luthman wrote: I was thinking that if I just change the distance value to a higher value then I could leave the interface up and nat should use the route with the lowest distance value. (not tested yet) That is how static routing works - it picks the lowest distance. If you have two routes identical except the distance, then the lower distance is used. Then I could ping with a source address of the dsl interface and it should go out the dsl line even though the distance is set higher than the backup. (not tested yet) I have always had one interface a static IP/route so this was easy. Not sure how to force a certain destination when it is using dhcp-client. I know the netwatch will not work for this but I saw a script (inproved netwatch) that will use the ping command to check an ip address. Ping has an option (that was broke until 3.28) to use source-address. I figure if it is using a source address of the dsl interface that went down it should try to ping out that interface instead of the one with the lowest distance. This is my thinking of how this might work. Hopefully it will work this way. I will know soon. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Yes the dsl modem is handing out a dhcp address. I figure I will have to ping way back upstream to check the connection vs just pinging the dhcp modem. I was thinking that if I just change the distance value to a higher value then I could leave the interface up and nat should use the route with the lowest distance value. (not tested yet) Then I could ping with a source address of the dsl interface and it should go out the dsl line even though the distance is set higher than the backup. (not tested yet) Dennis Burgess wrote: There are other things to also keep in mind when dealing with DHCP, i.e. is your DHCP being handed out locally. sSo if you have a DSL line is the DSL modem handing this out? if so, then watching that connection is useless, you will have to do some policy based routing and checks to verify that it is up and bring it down if it is not up. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over Lucky you, glad you could have 3.x everywhere! I could be wrong as it may just be my experience, but the command line for custom things is necessary as the GUI doesn't show everything. I started with GUI and moved a lot to CLI as it seems easier/faster. Hopefully it's simply a personal preference! There are places like wireless where the GUI is almost required as the CLI is difficult to navigate and may not even have some values. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Yeah, when I looked at the article you listed it clicked. I don't use the command line except when I have to so I was a little off on the command to change the distance setting. I have version
Re: [WISPA] NanoStation External Antenna
I just got my 1 and only wds client off of wds. He had a neighbor at the bottom of a hill that wanted service so I came up with the idea of using wds to get them service. It worked but if you have to change channels on the access point the wds client will not change automatically. You have to go out and manually change the client's channel. A real pain. LaRoy McCann Robert West wrote: I was curious, how many of you folks use the External Antenna connection on the Nanostation and how are you using them? I have never utilized it but last night a customer asked about a wireless router to add a laptop to their service and thought about installing an external antenna to the NS2 and putting it in Station WDS to see what that would do for me. Was concerned though about creating headaches. I have enough already. Any thoughts? Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NanoStation External Antenna
After re reading you post I realized that you are using it a different way that what I did. I used AP WDS mode. Station WDS will probably work ok. LaRoy McCann Robert West wrote: I was curious, how many of you folks use the External Antenna connection on the Nanostation and how are you using them? I have never utilized it but last night a customer asked about a wireless router to add a laptop to their service and thought about installing an external antenna to the NS2 and putting it in Station WDS to see what that would do for me. Was concerned though about creating headaches. I have enough already. Any thoughts? Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Reset StarOS
You can connect to the serial port and reset to default config. I don't remember the serial port settings. If I remember right, the compact flash card holds the StarOS software. If you clear them you have lost StarOS. LaRoy McCann Steve Barnes wrote: I am changing all my network out to Mikrotik and have 8 various StarOS War1, War2, and Wrap boards that I plan to sell on Ebay. I never really learned how to mess with these so is there a easy way to reset all these back to factory or do I have to do it one at a time with putty? And what is the best way to clear the compact flash on the Wrap boards. With StarOS is there a easy way to do a lookup for them like you do on the Mikrotik's with the ... button on Winbox? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2
I think they need a bigger boat!! Robert West wrote: Yeah, but I call them by a different name, Microtik411RS2CardPacGridOutdoorEnclosure. It's gotten to the point that my substitute for the NS2 has actually become in use more than what it has been substituted for. *sigh* Word has it they're on the boat. Always on the boat. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 Need NS2's anyone have them? Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:47 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Thank You for Your Service! I know that many WISPs are Veterans. I think the business of being a WISP sort of attracts the vets. It is the business of going where no one has gone before, making it work and storming the path. I want to say, Thank you for your Service and it was an honor to serve! To all you USMC vets, Semper Fi! God bless, Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.comhttp://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.comhttp://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB File: ATT1.c OLE Object: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
Do we have to do the logging or just give them a port to connect their magic box into so they can record everything? LaRoy McCann Data Technology Jerry Richardson wrote: no it's not. but a subpoena means drop everything and do it now. I'd rather be prepared to comply Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote: Sounds like a lot of work. I think the question should be - Is it really your (our) job to protect those crappies revenue stream? On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: So if you are running a NAT/DHCP network, how would you find the offending customer? We are running static/public so we don't run into this. I think the simplest way is to require the studio to provide the IP for the server delivering copyrighted information. The ISP has to be tracking CPE MACs. Use MT's torch or Wireshark to look at connections across the network to find the BT server IP. Match the connection to the MAC and there you go. Maybe there is an easier way. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement Really to cover yourself you would need to know what customer it came from, When NAT'ing that's hard to do. So yeah, I would agree you the ISP could become the sole person responsible for that unless you can point fingers at a customer. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: os10ru...@gmail.com os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:03 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement What are you guys doing who have some/all of your network nat'ed? Seems like then more of the burden might fall on you. GReg On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Adam Goodman wrote: To me the question is how much work should I invest in order to protect their copyright interest. It makes sense to me that since they have no way of knowing the identity of the customer and all they really have is an ip address. That the ISP would have to connect the copyright owner to the customer. Billing them for the research work sounds like good idea to me. That way I am not preventing them from contacting the perpetrating party, and I also get paid for my time. -Adam On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I agree. I'm not the sheriff, I'm just the messenger boy. I pass it along and forget it. Not my job. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement Notify customer, give a warning, make not on account, disregard studio letter. Wait for subpoena before giving the studios any information. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement We have received an email from our provider with a complaint from Twentieth Century FOX Film Corporation about a download movie from BitTorrent. They demand we notify the customer and make sure the customer is aware of our AUP. Has anyone received a notice like this and how did you handle the case. Are you following DMCA protocol, or taking another path? Thank you, Adam --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] Amateur repeater on a wisp tower -- gotchas?
Mike, I have had both 2m and 70cm repeaters (at the same time) on my main tower with no problems to the wireless. I have had tremendous problems with noise on vhf frequencies. I can take my 2m mobile and pull up close to a tower and start scanning the band and it will lock onto a frequency showing full scale on the meter but no one is using the frequency. There is just a high pitched squealing that comes from the radio. Most of the time the squelch will not even open but the s-meter will show almost full scale. I had a vhf fiberglass antenna mounted to the top of a 160ft tower right above my wireless gear and it would be worse that just a small mobile antenna in the shack. I could turn off the wireless equipment and the noise would go away. I knew the wireless was causing some kind of interference but I did not know what it was. I made sure I had all shielded cat5 cable and made sure it was grounded at the base of the tower. This did not make any difference. I used all metal enclosures for the wireless and make sure they are grounded. Nothing would get rid of the noise short of turning off the wireless. Oh, this problem is not constant. It shows up on multiple frequencies but not always on the same frequencies and not every day or not all day long. I figure is is digital spurious emissions from the wireless rf. So not problems to you, just possible problems for the Hams. LaRoy McCann , N5OHO Data Technology AJ wrote: Depends on the band... For UHF 440 MHz, the split is usually 5 MHz (same as LMR in the UHF band). For VHF 144 MHz, the split in the US is 600 KHz (0.600 MHz). Typical voice channel bandwidth is under 20 KHz for wideband and less than 12.5 KHz for narrowband operation... A far cry from the 5 and 10 MHz channels of 802.11x operation :) On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Josh: Amateur operators, besides talking world wide on HF frequencies, have primary allocations in various slots in the spectrum. Besides 440 (UHF) there is 144 MHz (2 meter VHF), and 220 MHz (VHF). 2 meter and 70 cm repeaters are common in the ham world. What happens is an operator is able to talk to the repeater on the input frequency, and the equipment transmits on another frequency. So, low powered hand held devices (or mobile devices) can talk a great distance with low power, THROUGH the repeater instead of station-to-station, which would be simplex. The repeater equipment we are using has a built-in cavity so the same coax and antenna can be used for transmit and receive at the same time. There is a 6MHz separation between transmit and receive frequencies. Mike At 12:29 PM 10/27/2009, you wrote: Can you please explain 2 meter ham gear? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: In my experiences with 2 meter ham gear that is around Ethernet there is a lot of interference from the Ethernet to the ham guys stuff. I've never seen the ham guys cause interference though to any wifi gear. Ham guys are a whole different breed of folk and depending on how these ones your talking to are they may be an invaluable asset to you or they may be your worst nightmare. The ones around my area are the later and anyone that gets involved with them end up regretting it later down the road. Just my 2 cents, Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 9:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Amateur repeater on a wisp tower -- gotchas? Wispers: I have a 180' tower sitting high on a hill above the county seat. It has a mix of 5.8 and 2.4 radios and sectors/dishes. We want to install an amateur repeater on the tower, initially at 70 cm (440MHz UHF), and eventually a 2 m (144MHz VHF) radio. The dual band antenna feed point will be at 120'. It is 17' long. There is no microwave equipment below 160'. I don't think there will be any issues with interference either way, but thought I'd tap into the wealth of knowledge here to see if any of you has any experience doing anything like this on your towers. Is there any mixing at uhf (or VHF) going on in the microwave radio cards? I can't find specs that even speak of intermediate frequencies. Gotchas? Hints? Comments? Thanks! Mike G At 06:38 PM 10/26/2009, you wrote: My 24 hours is expiring and I don't want to pull this unit down. Mikrotik's site wants me to authorize my credit card, a process I've
Re: [WISPA] Has the guy who invented the u.fl connector been lynched yet?
As much as I HATE those connectors, I have gotten pretty good at replacing a card that has them. Even up on a tower. I have found that I can not see (yeah I really need bifocals) the connector well enough but I can put a slight amount of pressure on the connector and move it around a little and I can feel when it is in place. Then just push it down and it will snap in place. LaRoy McCann Data Technology RickG wrote: Josh, To each his own. It may be frustrating but It's not that hard! -RickG On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: To those of you who haven't figured this out...take up a whole box (routerboard, radio, connectors, etc) already done on the ground. Carry the box up, swap it out. Don't piss around with those u.fl on towers - dangerous and very infuriating. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:23 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I bet he's now working with nano technology! On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: He was the printer in Office Space. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: Just wonder... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link stability
CM9's are pretty reliable, but when they have failed for me it is usually with the receive going out. The receive signal will drop about 10db. Keep in mind that with a link you have to figure out which side is giving you the trouble. It could be either tower that has the problem. If it was the CM9 then I would think you would have a signal on one side that was better than the other. If the signals are the same on both ends then there is something that is attenuating both the transmit and receive signals. The only things in common would be pigtail, lmr400 and antenna feedhorn. But it could be on either tower. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Mark McElvy wrote: They have had radome covers since installed Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link stability I'd change the LMR jumper and/or feedhorn. There's a strong chance there is water in the jumper and changing it might fix it. There's also a chance that the feedhorn has failed. If you end up changing the feedhorn, consider putting a radome on the dish to protect the feedhorn from weather. It's not necessary, but it is additional protection. On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 02:39:47PM -0500, Mark McElvy wrote: I have a wireless backhaul link that is not as stable as I would like. It is a 15.5 mile shot that has been up for 3 years. MT/CM9/32db dish on both ends. On a clear day I am only seeing a -83 on each end. All the radio equip was replaced April 08 due to lighting, still have the original 3ft LMR-400 and antenna. I seem to remember the signal being in the -70 range prior to the lightning replacements. Right now the link is down with random reconnects with a -92 and then it will drop again. Weather is misty thick and overcast. I kinda of have a twofold question, could the weather be attenuating the signal enough to drop the connection? I think yes. Second, could I have a weakened/damaged antenna causing the general drop in signal? Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy AND WiFi beater! -- Retro Encabulator
Wow, We've been working on this for over 20 years and just could not figure out how to reduce sinusoidal depleneration. I never thought about employing it conjunction with a drawn reciprocating dingle arm. Man, that's pure genius. Mike wrote: Rockwell Collins, over in Cedar Rapids apparently finally got the retro encambulator perfected. It works way better than Canopy, and makes a laughing stock of WiFi. How many should I buy? Mike http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVVKEsPeLtIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVVKEsPeLtI WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS CBQ
If you use CPE that is a router there is only 1 ip address used but for a CPE bridge you are using 2 ip address's (1 for the CPE and 1 for the customer). This is why you have to use the customer ip on a CPE bridge. LaRoy McCann Data Technology RickG wrote: Currently, we have StarOS/WRAP (v2) acting as the AP's on our towers. The CBQ settings are configured to bandwidth shape the customers IP address. I decided it would be better to shape the CPE's IP addy but it doesnt seem to work. The customer gets full throttle unles I shape their addy. The only thing I come up with is that the CPE (Tranzeo bridge) is fooling the CBQ's. Does that make sense of does anyone have any ideas? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which connector is which on R52N
I guessed right on the J2 connector. One thing I did was set the card power to manual and lower it to 17db I guess for testing programming I could have went down to 5 db or so. I also had an antenna connected to it. I have always powered up cards with out antennas on them but I use mostly cm9's. I think it would be a good idea to find some dummy loads or get some small rubber duck antennas to use when powering up. LaRoy e...@wisp-router.com wrote: R52N the one marked J2 is chain 0 and the one marked J3 is chain 1. If the mpci connector towards you J2 is the one on the left. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 02:25:24 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which connector is which on R52N You should never power up any of the cards without a load even for a few seconds. I bet all of us have done that by mistake more times than one but all of the higher power cards can burn out quickly under the right conditions. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which connector is which on R52N FYI, we powered up a card without an antenna on both ports and damaged the card. It's TX power is extremely low now. Just a warning. I don't remember if it was in N-mode, or B/G mode. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Yeah, I forgot to mention the board and OS. It's an RB433AH with 4.0rc1. If you are looking down at the card with the connectors at the top and the gold pins at the bottom, J2 is on the upper left and J3 is on the upper right. I was planning on just connecting to J2 and if that did not work then connect to J3. David E. Smith wrote: Data Technology wrote: Also, I am looking to use this card with just 1 antenna. Not looking to use 'N', just using because cm9's were not available when I bought the card. I assume this will work ok as long as both TX and RX chains are set to the same setting. Assuming you're using Mikrotik RouterOS, just set the band to B or B/G and you won't even have to worry about the chains - all the N-specific options will just disappear. (I don't have an N card handy, so I'm not sure which antenna lead is identified as which, but you've got a 50-50 shot. :) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You
[WISPA] Which connector is which on R52N
I am using an R52N card for the first time. Does chain 0 go with J2 connector and chain 1 go with J3 connector? The docs on the card does not state which connector is which. Also, I am looking to use this card with just 1 antenna. Not looking to use 'N', just using because cm9's were not available when I bought the card. I assume this will work ok as long as both TX and RX chains are set to the same setting. Thanks, LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which connector is which on R52N
Yeah, I forgot to mention the board and OS. It's an RB433AH with 4.0rc1. If you are looking down at the card with the connectors at the top and the gold pins at the bottom, J2 is on the upper left and J3 is on the upper right. I was planning on just connecting to J2 and if that did not work then connect to J3. David E. Smith wrote: Data Technology wrote: Also, I am looking to use this card with just 1 antenna. Not looking to use 'N', just using because cm9's were not available when I bought the card. I assume this will work ok as long as both TX and RX chains are set to the same setting. Assuming you're using Mikrotik RouterOS, just set the band to B or B/G and you won't even have to worry about the chains - all the N-specific options will just disappear. (I don't have an N card handy, so I'm not sure which antenna lead is identified as which, but you've got a 50-50 shot. :) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for
What about spam? Even though there are laws against spam would we be breaking the law by blocking it if this law is passed? Would we have to pass all content and allow all spam? Then if we accidentally block something our system thought was spam but was not we might really be in trouble. LaRoy McCann Data Technology David E. Smith wrote: http://openinternet.gov/read-speech.html In addition to the four classic Network neutrality principles, the FCC plans to pursue two more. Quotes from the speech: * The fifth principle is one of non-discrimination -- stating that broadband providers cannot discriminate against particular Internet content or applications. * The sixth principle is a transparency principle -- stating that providers of broadband Internet access must be transparent about their network management practices. I love the sixth one, but number five gives me the willies. Nope, doesn't matter that BitTorrent users bring your network to its knees, you're not allowed to do anything about it. Please tell me I'm missing something. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues
Make sure the software versions match. I ran into this once. Some commands were different between versions and the export commands did not work. LaRoy McCann Data Technology 1704 Hwy 69 Trumann, AR 72472 Josh Luthman wrote: From and to a 450 you should (hopefully) be able to use the binary backup just fine. Awfully surprised that the text didn't work, though. If you want to try text again go section by section and find where it lost itself. Use the winbox to copy the entire directory. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:12 AM, rabbtux rabbtux rabb...@gmail.com wrote: any suggestions on necessary edits for export file use? I have an export file from rb450, and want to move its configuration to an rb450ah. I paste the text in the new terminal, but only part of the settings get changed. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:28 PM, cc...@dot11net.com wrote: Agreed...that is why I use export. Then I can modify the script and strip out macs, etc. Just my prefered method. Cameron Scott Reed wrote: RouterOS restore from backup (not export) works to the same model hardware. I'll admit I haven't tried it recently, but it used to be really iffy - since a new system would have a different radio card, and different MACs on the Ethernet interfaces, it always was a horribly error-prone process in my experience. I'll have to grab a spare off the shelf and try this again later. Thanks! :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
