Re: [WISPA] Internet Coverage in Charlotte, MI

[Jason Bailey]

What is the address? May be able to help.
Jason 

On Friday, August 12, 2016 7:23 PM, "Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net" 
 wrote:
 

 I am looking for a WISP in Charlottle, MI area.  This is a city south of 
Lansing, MI.  Have a person searching for service.
Thank you,
Troy
Byhalia.net, LLC


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Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

[Jason Bailey]

Higher gain,lower power works best,in almost any situation. 

 On Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:15 PM, Colton Conor 
 wrote:
   

 We are comparing multiple SOHO routers and modems that have the same Broadcom 
chipsets. All of them have 802.11N 2x2 configuration. The only differences 
between them are if they have internal or external antennas and the gain of the 
antennas (either 2, 3, or 5dbi ratings). In addition, some sell a high powered 
wifi radio (400mw) while others have the basic (100mw).
How much a difference does each of these hardware features make in overall wifi 
performance?
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

[Jason Bailey]

I still can't find it either? Anyone else find the pricing?


On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:23 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
 


where is price on this? cant find it on website

Sent from my iPhone

Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110

On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Jaime Fink  wrote:


Joe & Adair



Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am PST, on 
our website www.mimosa.co, and products on display at the Streakwave Building 
Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow. 

2 more hours guys!



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On Aug 5, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Adair Winter  wrote:

What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly guarded 
secret? :)
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>On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
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>http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html
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Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?

[Jason Bailey]

I've had 2 lines with Republic since the early beta. Upgraded them to Moto-X's 
and couldn't be happier!


On Friday, May 23, 2014 7:16 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
 


They've been doing this for a couple years now.




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From: "TJ Trout" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 12:58:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?


I've been wonding when this would happen, hopefully this will go main stream, I 
don't know why it hasn't already. All networks are suffering and wifi offload 
seems like an answer. I want to be able to make calls like I'm on network but 
when I only have wifi coverage.




On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

https://republicwireless.com/
>
>Sprint MVNO with WiFi <-> cellular handoffs.
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>Also tried to resell\white-label and they weren't ready for that either.
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>From: "Gino Villarini" 
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>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 6:24:06 PM
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>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market  with Wifi gear?
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>What bandwidth.com do? I don’t seem to grasp the whole deal…
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>Gino A. Villarini
>President
>Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>www.aeronetpr.com   
>@aeronetpr
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>From: Mike Hammett 
>Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>Date: Thursday, May 22, 2014 at 6:46 PM
>To: WISPA General List 
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?
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>
>*nods* I reached out to the guys that Bandwidth.com started up, but they said 
>they were too early in the business to worry about stuff like that.
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>Hotspot 2.0 (according to the hype) could be nice for us - doing last mile to 
>the WiFi networks.
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>From: "Gino Villarini" 
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 12:17:30 PM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market  with Wifi gear?
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>I think this is something Wispa could/should manage as part of WISPA 
>strategic/business development area
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>President
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>From: Steve Barnes 
>Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>Date: Thursday, May 22, 2014 at 12:29 PM
>To: WISPA General List 
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?
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>The future is going to be interesting for sure.
> 
>A few questions come to mind. 
>Is there a business model where WISP’s can partner with a Google or Microsoft 
>to help advance our offerings or would you be just selling your soul to Satan.
>How do you compete against that level of investment if they start putting up 
>hotspots to offload from the LTE networks in your area since that will most 
>likely destroy 2.4 and 5.7-8 bands.
> 
>Steve Barnes
>General Manager
>PCSWIN.com
>Howard LLC.
> 
>From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
>Of Gino Villarini
>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 12:19 PM
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>Subject: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?
> 
>http://gigaom.com/2014/05/21/google-reportedly-plans-to-target-businesses-with-wi-fi/?
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Re: [WISPA] pay per use billing

[Jason Bailey]

We have many seasonals. We decided to give them two options. Annual 
payment,providing a one month discount. The most popular is our seasonal plan. 
We bill from the day they return and call for service to be restored till 
November 15. We send an invoice for the total.Keeps it simple for us. We wait 
till about Dec.1st and shut all seasonals off. No maintenance fees.No 
complaints.
On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 12:00 AM, "wi...@mncomm.com"  wrote:
 
Possibly. We just recently got into hot spot last year at some state camp 
grounds. I might be a little grey in that area. We just set up a tower at a 
resort site where people have their fishing trailers, but they are willing to 
pay our full monthly and auto suspend when the weather gets cold 
From: ralph 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 4:28 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] pay per use billing
 

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Re: [WISPA] FS: RocketDish + Rocket M2s

[Jason Bailey]

Blair,I think Chris is in Hemlock.
On Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:41 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:
 
I'm wondering where the seller is...  If in the mid-west, I'm interested...

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On 4/6/2014 2:22 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:

My mistake
I thought I was answering the seller
NGL
From: Blair Davis 
>Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2014 11:09 AM
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>Subject: Re: [WISPA] FS: RocketDish + Rocket M2s
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Where are you/they?
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>On 4/4/2014 9:36 AM, Chris Fabien wrote:
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>I have a surplus of Ubiquiti RD-2G24 2ft dishes with Rocket M2s attached. Used 
>working pulls. $150ea or quantity discount, plus shipping.  
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Re: [WISPA] Light Duty self-support

[Jason Bailey]

Chris,check out Universal,they build them here in Michigan. We have a few of 
them. Great solution and price!

http://www.universaltowers.com/products.html




On Thursday, March 27, 2014 10:49 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
 
We have a few Tycon towers like that.  They are great if you have a bucket 
truck.  I feel like I'm climbing on tinfoil once I get near the top.  Pretty 
sketchy...



On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Rohn does a self supporter right around 100 feet.  Customer did it himself a 
while back.
>Josh Luthman
>Office: 937-552-2340
>Direct: 937-552-2343
>1100 Wayne St
>Suite 1337
>Troy, OH 45373
>On Mar 27, 2014 9:32 AM, "Chris Fabien"  wrote:
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>Who is your first call for an economical self support tower for a customer to 
>clear trees? 
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>>We typically build guyed Rohn 25 towers but this customer doesn't want guy 
>>wires. 
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>>Needs to be 100ft and enough wind load to hold a small repeater site, maybe 
>>10 sqft.  
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Re: [WISPA] Level 3

[Jason Bailey]

We are re-routed onto our Sprint fiber path and things are good. Level 3 seems 
to be the target as we have been seeing lately. Thank the good lord for 
bgp. 



On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:41 AM, Jason Bailey  wrote:
 
Are we the only ones getting beaten up right now? We can only get random pings 
through. We peer in at Chicago. Seems the buck stops there..Support seems 
overwhelmed. 
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[WISPA] Level 3

[Jason Bailey]

Are we the only ones getting beaten up right now? We can only get random pings 
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Re: [WISPA] Net Hatchet ethernet interface appliance

[Jason Bailey]

Good find. I have never used these,but I am going to order one and give it a try.   On Monday, February 10, 2014 1:28 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:


 

 



Anyone used one of these to monitor a solar battery setup?
Any comments?
Thanx
NGL

  
  

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Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?

[Jason Bailey]

Chuck has it right. See below.
33.
Antenna Gain. Under Section 15.247, the assumed antenna gain is 6 dBi, with a 1 
dB 
reduction in power required for every 1 dB that the antenna gain exceeds 6 dBi. 
For fixed point-to-point 
systems, no power reduction is required. Section 15.407 assumes the same 
antenna gain of 6 dBi, with 1 
dB reduction in power required for every 1 dB that gain exceeds 6 dBi. For 
fixed point-to-point systems, 
a 1 dB reduction in power is required for every 1 dB that gain exceeds 23 dBi. 
The only difference 
between the two rule parts is the maximum antenna gain that can be deployed 
without a penalty in 
transmitter power. We propose to apply the more stringent 23 dBi maximum 
antenna gain that is 
currently required under Section 15.407. We believe that using the more 
stringent antenna gain 
requirement will ensure that there is no increase in the potential for 
interference from unlicensed devices 
operating under the new combined rule parts. 




On Saturday, February 8, 2014 7:32 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
 
Revision of Part 15 of the Commission’s Rules to Permit Unlicensed National 
Information 
Infrastructure (U-NII) Devices in the 5 GHz band, ET Docket No. 13-49.



Regards,
Chuck


On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

Yeah, I'd let someone official provide something. I wouldn't want to try to 
discern public information from internal information.
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>From: "Matt Hoppes" 
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:03:50 PM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?
>
>
>
>Chuck,
>Do you have a link or any information to what the FCC is specifically 
>discussing?
>
>Sent from my iPad
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>On Feb 8, 2014, at 18:48, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
>
>People running on those TDWR frequencies like that without proper 
>configuration are ruining the Unlimited Gain Antenna rule in the 5.8GHz band.  
>It is before the FCC right now and WISPA just held a manufacturer's webinar 
>about it.  Every dish 2'+ would be affected, and would not be allowed any 
>longer.  No more 20-30 Mile 5GHz links.  I truly hope you are not running your 
>equipment inappropriately.
>>
>>
>>Ubiquiti already has DFS certified gear, they are VERY familiar with the 
>>process, and they typically produce DFS options on their 5GHz platform.
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>Chuck
>>
>>
>>On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Matt Hoppes  
>>wrote:
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>>The new NanoBeams will support DFS, they are just pending approval. 
>>>
>>>
>>>Compliance Test - do you really want to go down that road?  So what you just 
>>>said, in a public forum, is that 40% of your radios are running illegally on 
>>>frequencies they are not authorized to be on. 
>>>
>>>
>>>Please pack up and go home. 
>>>
>>>Sent from my iPad
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>>>On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:29, Art Stephens  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Recent events make me wonder if the FCC is trying to muscle wisps out of 
>>>these frequencies.
Since we are primarily Ubiquiti equipment I can only speak from that 
platform.
First the latest firmware update removes compliance test which for about 
40% of our equipment deployed would render them unusable since 5735 - 5840 
runs at - 50dBm or higher noise levels in our area,
Second is new product released only supports 5735 - 5840.
Seems like DFS is such a pain that manufacturers do not want to mess with 
it.
Case in point the new NanoBeam M series only support 5725-5850 for USA.
Worldwide version which we are not allowed to buy or deploy supports 
5170-5875.


Seems the only alternative is to go with licensed P2MP which makes more 
money for the FCC and drives the cost of wireless internet up for both 
wisps and consumers.

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Re: [WISPA] Solution to Regulate Video Streaming?

[Jason Bailey]

We use Cisco/Meraki mx series routers. They have all the toys and give you a 
good view of your users and usage patterns.
https://meraki.cisco.com/products/appliances




On Thursday, January 2, 2014 2:44 PM, timothy steele  
wrote:
 
Anyone still using NETEQ these days?
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On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Dennis Burgess  wrote:

yep, normally we just look at large connections and limit overall bandwidth, 
the best way is still to bill per bit once over..  All of that would require 
intergration into a billing system, or a billing system that does it already :) 
>
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>Of Matt Jenkins 
>Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 1:22 PM 
>To: WISPA General List 
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solution to Regulate Video Streaming? 
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>And keep up with it on a daily basis as each video streaming company makes 
>changes. 
>
>On 01/02/2014 11:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 
>> or a lot of time developing regexs and other things needed for 
>> Mikrotik or various other routing\firewall engines. 
>> 
>> 
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>> *From: *"Matt Jenkins"  
>> *To: *"joey craig" , "WISPA General List" 
>>  
>> *Sent: *Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:00:49 PM 
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Solution to Regulate Video Streaming? 
>> 
>> To regulate a specific application (Video Streaming) you will need a 
>> product like Procera. 
>> 
>> On 12/31/2013 10:55 AM, Joey Craig wrote: 
>> > 
>> > My employer is looking for a solution to monitor, regulate and bill 
>> > for video streaming to the customer if he/she goes over a 
>> > predetermined amount per month. Whether this is done by an add-on 
>> > appliance, software on a server or an added feature in a radius 
>> > server, etc. 
>> > 
>> > Does anyone know of such a solution? 
>> > 
>> > Joey Craig 
>> > 
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Re: [WISPA] Cambium ePMP1000 question about sync

[Jason Bailey]

The base-station radios each have a built in gps rec. with an included gps 
antenna. No extra hardware. Yes,you can do abab frequencies.



On Saturday, November 9, 2013 12:05 AM, Scott Carullo 
 wrote:
 
I'm not familiar with cambiums new product or how their sync works so I have a 
question.

If I purchase 4 APs with sectors that supports GPS sync...  Do I have 
everything I need to utilize the sync feature between APs or is there 
additional hardware or accessories that I'd have to purchase to use the sync?  

What are the sync options?  N & S AP on freq 5780 and E & W AP on 5830 for 
instance?  Or will it support all APs even on one freq?

Basic questions but I have not been able to find the answers on their online 
info.  Thanks


Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102


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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti radios failing?

[Jason Bailey]

Do a little searching on the UBNT forums. There were a few batches of the 
AirGrid HP's that had this issue. I installed about ten of them. I then 
replaced 10 of them with grid/bullets and scrapped them.



On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 1:55 PM, Paolo Di Francesco 
 wrote:
 
dear all

lately we are having some strange issues with some airgrids. We see that:

1) the signal on some radios is droppiing around 10dbi
2) it works in one direction but not the other (eg. tx=ok but rx not 
working)

Is that happening to you too?

Regards

-- 


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Re: [WISPA] Strange problem with Canopy 9000APC

[Jason Bailey]

That's why I said antenna. It happened frequently after changing the antenna.

--- On Thu, 6/13/13, David Hannum  wrote:

From: David Hannum 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange problem with Canopy 9000APC
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, June 13, 2013, 10:01 AM

Moisture is not an issue.  Good drip loops on both the antenna cable and CAT-5 
Cables.  We actually sealed the entry of the radio with mastic to be sure.  The 
first radio lasted about 10 months.  When it went, we first swapped antennas, 
thinking maybe a lightning strike damaged it (we've had the same effect on 
signal from bad antenna).  That did nothing to help, so we next swapped the 
radio.  Signal back.  That lasted about four weeks.  Swapped radio again, and 
signal back.  Lasted about 12 hours this time.

 No visible damage to any of the radios.  No moisture found inside.  We don't 
have capability to test in-house.  Will send to SWG or Wireless Units to have 
them take a look. Dave Hannum

New Era Broadband 

On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Fred Goldstein  wrote:


On 6/13/2013 7:43 AM, David Hannum wrote:

> We're having an issue with a 9000APC that is very strange.  Here is the

> situation.  We have a remote water tank (stand pipe 75' high) that has a

> few homes around it.  So, we have a 9000APC and a connectorized 2450AP

> on the tower, both on Omni's.  The antennas are on a stand almost

> exactly 4' apart.  There are six subs on the 900MHz radio.  About a

> month ago, I had an issue where (after about 9 months) the signal to all

> of the customers just faded out, to the point that only two subs were

> still good.  I swapped the antenna and that did not help.  I swapped the

> radio, and that fixed the problem.  Trouble is, it only lasted about

> three weeks, and the same thing happened again.  I swapped the radio

> again yesterday, and today, I'm back in the same boat.  The radio in the

> AP keeps going out.  I had the climbers check the grounding, and we

> actually ran a dedicated ground yesterday off the water tank.  My knee

> jerk feeling today is that maybe the radios are too close together, and

> the 2450 is burning up the 900.  Could this be the case?  Any ideas?

> Here is an example of what happens.  Customers that run signals -47 to

> -57 become -70 to -75 and those who's signals were -70 and up fall clear

> off.  Swap the radio, and everything goes back to normal.  This is now

> three radios that have gone, each lasting a much shorter time than the

> previous.  (this one did not make it 24 hours).

> I can't completely rule out lightning - the tower is in a very wooded

> area.  But usually you burn up the NIC in that case - not weaken the radio.

> Thoughts?



Interesting mystery!  Clearly you don't want to blow more radios this way.



Any more clues about what may have happened right before the failures?

I'm wondering about weather events.  Did it fail after a rain storm?

Water coming in to the radio or corroding the antenna connectors might

result.  And if the antenna's connector is flaky, re-attaching it to a

new radio might be a temporary fix, but reattaching it to an old radio

might "fix" it too (temporariy).  Have you examined the broken radios in

the shop?



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Re: [WISPA] Strange problem with Canopy 9000APC

[Jason Bailey]

Antenna has a dead short. Just a guess.

--- On Thu, 6/13/13, David Hannum  wrote:

From: David Hannum 
Subject: [WISPA] Strange problem with Canopy 9000APC
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, June 13, 2013, 7:43 AM

We're having an issue with a 9000APC that is very strange.  Here is the 
situation.  We have a remote water tank (stand pipe 75' high) that has a few 
homes around it.  So, we have a 9000APC and a connectorized 2450AP on the 
tower, both on Omni's.  The antennas are on a stand almost exactly 4' apart.  
There are six subs on the 900MHz radio.  About a month ago, I had an issue 
where (after about 9 months) the signal to all of the customers just faded out, 
to the point that only two subs were still good.  I swapped the antenna and 
that did not help.  I swapped the radio, and that fixed the problem.  Trouble 
is, it only lasted about three weeks, and the same thing happened again.  I 
swapped the radio again yesterday, and today, I'm back in the same boat.  The 
radio in the AP keeps going out.  I had the climbers check the grounding, and 
we actually ran a dedicated ground yesterday off the water tank.  My knee jerk 
feeling today is that maybe
 the radios are too close together, and the 2450 is burning up the 900.  Could 
this be the case?  Any ideas?  

 Here is an example of what happens.  Customers that run signals -47 to -57 
become -70 to -75 and those who's signals were -70 and up fall clear off.  Swap 
the radio, and everything goes back to normal.  This is now three radios that 
have gone, each lasting a much shorter time than the previous.  (this one did 
not make it 24 hours).

 I can't completely rule out lightning - the tower is in a very wooded area.  
But usually you burn up the NIC in that case - not weaken the radio. Thoughts? 

Dave HannumNew Era Broadband

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[WISPA] As if the spectrum wasn't trashed already.

[Jason Bailey]

http://gigaom.com/2013/03/27/santa-clara-launches-free-outdoor-wi-fi-on-backs-of-smart-meters/___
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Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

[Jason Bailey]

If they worked,- the 900 and adding 3.65 I would buy a whole bunch of them!

--- On Sat, 2/9/13, Mike Hammett  wrote:

From: Mike Hammett 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Saturday, February 9, 2013, 6:53 PM

What's the status of this antenna?

Any plans for 3.65 GHz support?

What are the azimuth\elevation beamwidths?

Any consideration for noise between radios in the same antenna enclosure (ie: 
Ubiquiti 3.65 hearing a 5 GHz radio too loudly?

Any consideration for noise between radios in other antenna enclosures?




Does anyone else make antennas like this?



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From: "Pedro Ramirez" 
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 2:06:51 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!



Hi Gino, 

I wonder if our new 3 in 1 Sector Antenna design will be useful in this 
application that you mention here. 

We are designing this to save space and lower tower costs and we can fit 
different frequencies, gains & polarization. 

We will also be able to mix Sector and Panel antennas in the same enclosure. 

Our first standard model will be 3 Sectors: 900Mhz 11dBi Dual, 2.4GHz 15dBi 
Dual & 5GHz 18dBi Dual. 

We would really like some input on what combinations of antennas would be more 
useful for different markets. 

Pedro Ramirez 
Itelite Antennas, Inc 

On 01-Nov-12 11:14 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: 







I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is being 
developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation can use various 
spectrum bands to talk to CPEs… 



Imaging having an AP with multiple RF Sections using 2.4,3.x,5.x and aggregate 
all bands in a single Layer 1 medium to the CPE…also could split the 
downlink/uplink in various bands…youll need sync, plus some special sauce to 
organize Spectrum availability and Identify external interference.. but all 
that could be achieve out of the AP in a Cloud controller… 



So whos the taker? 



Gino A. Villarini 

g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 

787.273.4143 

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[WISPA] DirecTv On-Demand

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Is it just me,or is everyone being bombarded with constant traffic from the new 
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Re: [WISPA] Revised - Bullet in Station WDS

[Jason Bailey]

Yes,both ubnt devices need to be in wds mode for the bridge to be layer 2 transparent.--- On Thu, 1/3/13, ~NGL~  wrote:From: ~NGL~ Subject: [WISPA] Revised - Bullet in Station WDSTo: "WISPA General List" Date: Thursday, January 3, 2013, 11:43 AM


 

 



 

  Do both tht Access Point and the Station have to be WDS node to have the 
  station in level 2.
  I need this station to communicate with a Tranzeo 902 Access Point when 
  hard wired togeather.
  In Station Mode only the 802 does not have a DHCP source.
  Thanx
  NGL
  


  
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Re: [WISPA] Has Anyone seen this on 3.65

[Jason Bailey]

Do you have 5gig stuff co-located at the site?

--- On Fri, 10/5/12, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

From: Eric Muehleisen 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Has Anyone seen this on 3.65
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Friday, October 5, 2012, 5:28 PM

That sounds about right. Noise at -55 is awfully loud. They'd need to be right 
on top of you.
-Eric

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Michael Geary  
wrote:

Good Evening Christian,

This had happened on some our APs. We had to replace them because of 
manufacturers defect that our AP cards were "bleeding"


There is a pretty lengthy post on Ubiquiti's forums as well



http://forum.ubnt.com/showthread.php?t=33880
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We started having some issues with one of our ubiquiti 3.65 AP’s.  Everything 
has been working great for a while but recently it runs horrible.  Lot’s of 
packet loss and plenty of speed complaints.


 I ran a spectrum analysis from the AP itself and another we have on another 
tower about 10 miles WNW.  We use serveral different types of 3.65 equipment, 
but this is the first time we have had issues with any of them.  Everything is 
registered.  Everything looked clean on the spectrum views before but now, not 
so much. 


 Spectrum views attached.  FromCor.png is the affected access point. -Christian 
Palecek


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Re: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?

[Jason Bailey]

Looks good here in Michigan. I tested against 3 others locally and results look 
comparable.

--- On Thu, 8/30/12, Ralph  wrote:

From: Ralph 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Thursday, August 30, 2012, 7:07 PM

Oops  again. Sorry, I changed the text of the link but not the link.  
http://brightlan.net/page26.html      From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:04 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?  Duh. 
Sorry.http://brightlan.net/page26.html    From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:56 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?  I have just finished installing 
Speedtest Mini in our data center and I would like some help testing it.If you 
have a “big pipe”, it would be especially helpful to have your feedback.  
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Re: [WISPA] What's this 900mhz Interference look like?

[Jason Bailey]

Chris,I am a ham and wisp down in Jackson. I know all to well what this is. ATV 
 amateur television. I see it on mine as well. A friend operates an amateur tv 
repeater on 910.250 near Lansing and the band is OPEN lately.  I was just 
changing frequencies to get around it this morning. Hit me off-list and I can 
give you more info if you like. Jason
--- On Sat, 8/25/12, Chris Fabien  wrote:

From: Chris Fabien 
Subject: [WISPA] What's this 900mhz Interference look like?
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Saturday, August 25, 2012, 10:16 AM

I've got an interference problem affecting two of my 900mhz towers.
Attached is a Airview scan of what I'm seeing, the 910mhz signal is
the concern. It is intermittent, usually occurring in the early to mid
morning for a few minutes or up to hours.

My first thought is baby monitor/cordless phone but I'm seeing it on
the south facing sector of two towers, separated by 3 miles
north-south distance. The south tower sees it at around a -60 and the
north tower around a -70. These are 100-120ft towers in a heavily
wooded area, I would not expect ground-level interference to be
visible from both, right?.

So, any suggestions as to possible sources? Driving around with an
antenna is my next step, but hard to do on an intermittent signal.

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Re: [WISPA] FCC broadband deployment report

[Jason Bailey]

Thanks Rick!

--- On Thu, 8/23/12, Rick Harnish  wrote:

From: Rick Harnish 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC broadband deployment report
To: "'WISPA General List'" , a...@afmug.com, us...@wug.cc, 
color...@wispa.org
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 6:18 PM

Andrew,  (Andrew MacRae from the NTIA is BCC’d)  There seems to be some 
discrepancy in the Colorado and Michigan Data.  Can you assist as to why Wisp 
coverage is not represented?  Please read the email below my signature line.  
Also, here are some other comments from other providers.  · Merrill, 
MI: Our coverage area is not displayed on that map. Is it only including 
wireline providers?  · Jackson, MI:  My coverage update for the 2nd to 
last round is not there, but the rest is. The map is for 3Meg svc. and up also. 
 · Steamboat Springs: If you hover over a county a popup chart on the 
right shows up and displays the demographics for that county and % of broadband 
that is Fiber, Cable, DSL, or fixed wireless.  both the counties we serve show 
0% fixed wireless.  · Yuma: wow, they have my area as covered as 
NON-Rural DSL and Cable no wireless links at all..I think someone
 "fixed" the books on this info. As its completely BS..  1. everything out here 
in our area is Rural..2. No wireless listed at ALL ( there are 2 providers 
ourselves and the telco to the south of us) 3. The local cable company has only 
a handful of customers 4. says that over 3500 folks in my county have NO 
internet.. Complete and total BS.. This is farm country and I'd PAY to find 
more than 50 homes that don't have internet.  Again.. the books have been 
cooked, thanks to either bad info or competition.    Where there is a Wisp, 
there is a way!  Respectfully,  Rick HarnishExecutive DirectorWISPA260-307-4000 
cell866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA OfficeSkype: 
rick.harnish.rharnish@wispa.orgadm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick)          > 
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 color...@wispa.org> Subject: [WISPA] FCC broadband deployment report> > Hi 
all,> > Sorry for all the cross posts on multiple lists but this seems 
troubling to me.  We> submitted our coverage data to the state of Colorado and 
they submitted our> data for the national map.  However, this FCC broadband 
deployment report> includes this map which doesn't show our coverage.> > 
Report: http://www.fcc.gov/reports/eighth-broadband-progress-report> Map: 
http://www.fcc.gov/maps/section-706-fixed-broadband-deployment-map> > What 
gives???  WISPA???> > Is anyone else noticing their coverage area is not 
included?> > Best regards,> > > Sean Heskett> ZIRKEL Wireless> High-speed 
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Re: [WISPA] FCC broadband deployment report

[Jason Bailey]

My coverage update for the 2nd to last round is not there,but the rest is. The 
map is for 3Meg svc. and up also.

--- On Thu, 8/23/12, Sean Heskett  wrote:

From: Sean Heskett 
Subject: [WISPA] FCC broadband deployment report
To: wireless@wispa.org, a...@afmug.com, us...@wug.cc, color...@wispa.org
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 5:28 PM

Hi all,

Sorry for all the cross posts on multiple lists but this seems
troubling to me.  We submitted our coverage data to the state of
Colorado and they submitted our data for the national map.  However,
this FCC broadband deployment report includes this map which doesn't
show our coverage.

Report: http://www.fcc.gov/reports/eighth-broadband-progress-report
Map: http://www.fcc.gov/maps/section-706-fixed-broadband-deployment-map

What gives???  WISPA???

Is anyone else noticing their coverage area is not included?

Best regards,


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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Picostation 2HP Question

[Jason Bailey]

What was the previous ap?

--- On Tue, 8/7/12, Bob Moldashel  wrote:

From: Bob Moldashel 
Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Picostation 2HP Question
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 6:58 PM

OK   Quick question

Have a unit new out of the box will not connect to any subs.  Set up as 
an AP, 20 Mhz channel, 2.4 Ghz channel 1.

What am I missing???

Any input is appreciated.

-B-
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Re: [WISPA] Digital Loggers

[Jason Bailey]

Never thought I could laugh so hard at 7 am on Saturday!

--- On Fri, 8/3/12, Mike Hammett  wrote:

From: Mike Hammett 
Subject: [WISPA] Digital Loggers
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Friday, August 3, 2012, 10:38 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xgyQy7TG_Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player



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Re: [WISPA] 4g?

[Jason Bailey]

700/800 MHz  with an outdoor antenna?

--- On Wed, 5/23/12, Victoria Proffer  wrote:

From: Victoria Proffer 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g?
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:09 PM

How does this fair in heavy tree canopy?  Victoria ProfferSTLWiMAX, 
LLC314-720-1000  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Bailey
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g?  Anyone remember when sprint did this? The 
support headache killed it quickly

--- On Wed, 5/23/12, Gino Villarini  wrote:
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g?
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:04 PMOldNews

Sent from my Motorola Startac...    
On May 23, 2012, at 5:42 PM, "Jason Bailey"  
wrote:http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_veri.html
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Re: [WISPA] 4g?

[Jason Bailey]

Anyone remember when sprint did this? The support headache killed it quickly

--- On Wed, 5/23/12, Gino Villarini  wrote:

From: Gino Villarini 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g?
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:04 PM



 


Old
News



Sent from my Motorola Startac... 






On May 23, 2012, at 5:42 PM, "Jason Bailey"  wrote:










http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_veri.html









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Re: [WISPA] 4g?

[Jason Bailey]

Actually:
 $60 a month for 10 gigabytes.
• $90 a month for 20 gigabytes.
• $120 a month for 30 gigabytes. 
--- On Wed, 5/23/12, Justin Wilson  wrote:

From: Justin Wilson 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g?
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 5:50 PM

Data plans: $50 for 5 GB, $80 for 10 GB. $10 extra per 1 GB over. 
That’s why it doesn't worry me one bit.
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Date:  Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:41 PMTo:  WISPA General 
List Subject:  Re: [WISPA] 4g?

http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_veri.html

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Re: [WISPA] 4g?

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http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_veri.html


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Re: [WISPA] Brian's coverage map broken?

[Jason Bailey]

Way out-dated..but it's good here too.

--- On Fri, 5/11/12, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

From: Chuck Hogg 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brian's coverage map broken?
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Friday, May 11, 2012, 10:02 PM

Works for me
Regards,
Chuck



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Worked for me



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Yes.



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Re: [WISPA] Customer Routers

[Jason Bailey]

Looks to be powered by the stock cpe's poe. We need one that does both.

--- On Mon, 4/30/12, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)  
wrote:

From: Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer Routers
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Monday, April 30, 2012, 5:00 PM



 
 

Hmmm, anyone using them?  Who stocks 
them?
 
What do you do, plug your own power brick into 
it?  That would kind of defete the purpose wouldn't it?  That's not 
really much different than a standard install.
 
thanks,
marlon
 

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  From: 
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  McKenzie 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 10:30 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer 
  Routers
  
Marlon,

In response to your statement:

  
  
Some days I just wish the POE had a wifi 
  router built into it so we could include wifi like the telco does these 
  days.

ARC makes one.  It's the iFlex 
  indoor AP.  You could use any brand of POE (including Moto) from 9-24VDC 
  to power the device and then passthrough power to a client device on the 
  roof.


  
  Thanks,
  Ryan 
  McKenzie 
On 
  4/30/12 11:05 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote: 
  



We use mainly Linksys units.  They are a 
bit more expensive but we don't deal with warranty issues etc.
 
I'll install them at hookup if the customer 
wants one.
 
We've been trying the ones from Readylink but 
so far the jury is out on them.  Sometimes they work nicely, other 
customers have nothing but trouble with them.  Half the cost of the 
Linksys and better antennas.
 
Some days I just wish the POE had a wifi router 
built into it so we could include wifi like the telco does these 
days.
 
marlon
 

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  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:31 
  AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Customer 
  Routers
  
Hey guys, 
  

  What are some of you providing for customer wireless routers if you 
  include them in the install as I do?  I currently have a batch of 10 
  Ubiquiti Air Routers and the first two I pulled out are giving me some 
  problems.  Could be a bad batch.
  

  I am also looking at TP-Link as they are about $30 on Amazon with 
  external antennas and pretty good reviews.
  

  TP-Link TL-WR841N
  

  What are you guys 
  using?

  
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Re: [WISPA] More spectrum?

[Jason Bailey]

No,I'm not. I was just saying we sure could use it!!!

--- On Mon, 4/2/12, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:

From: Jeromie Reeves 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] More spectrum?
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Monday, April 2, 2012, 9:32 AM

Are you a cell co? I do not see anyone with out deep pockets getting
the RF. Not unless the FCC does this auction in very small
chunks.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Jason Bailey  wrote:
>
> That is exactly what I was thinking. We sure could use it!
>
> --- On Mon, 4/2/12, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:
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>
> From: Jeromie Reeves 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] More spectrum?
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Date: Monday, April 2, 2012, 9:22 AM
>
>
> Right. This is the next part of the puzzle. John Scrivner wrong to the
> list a email titled [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is
> buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi.
>
> This auction sums up my post in that thread. The cellco's are getting
> smarter about what the users want and about how to
> deliver it to them. Look at the partnerships that cellco's are making
> with cable co's. The cable companies already have large
> high speed footprints. Its trivial to throw a cable modem with a AP in
> it onto a pole. Suddenly you have a very large roamable
> footprint, if only that wifi chipset had a little more cellular sauce
> in it. Atheros chips very well could do it with some good
> firmware, look at Ubnt. They are pretty close with their GPS, for a
> small in house project. Look at what Ubnt did with just a
> highly experienced RF team? AirFiber. Now do the same with more money
> and in a cellular project aimed at very small and
> very fast cells. Sky is not falling, yet.
>
> Jeromie
>
> On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 6:54 AM,   wrote:
> > I see that going to the cellular guys.
> >
> >
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> > To: wireless@wispa.org
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> > Subject: [WISPA] More spectrum?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/fcc-carves-out-another--mhz-forms-spectrum-auction-task-force/212502
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Re: [WISPA] More spectrum?

[Jason Bailey]

That is exactly what I was thinking. We sure could use it!

--- On Mon, 4/2/12, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:

From: Jeromie Reeves 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] More spectrum?
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Monday, April 2, 2012, 9:22 AM

Right. This is the next part of the puzzle. John Scrivner wrong to the
list a email titled [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is
buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi.

This auction sums up my post in that thread. The cellco's are getting
smarter about what the users want and about how to
deliver it to them. Look at the partnerships that cellco's are making
with cable co's. The cable companies already have large
high speed footprints. Its trivial to throw a cable modem with a AP in
it onto a pole. Suddenly you have a very large roamable
footprint, if only that wifi chipset had a little more cellular sauce
in it. Atheros chips very well could do it with some good
firmware, look at Ubnt. They are pretty close with their GPS, for a
small in house project. Look at what Ubnt did with just a
highly experienced RF team? AirFiber. Now do the same with more money
and in a cellular project aimed at very small and
very fast cells. Sky is not falling, yet.

Jeromie

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> I see that going to the cellular guys.
>
>
>
> -
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jason Bailey" 
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 8:57:16 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] More spectrum?
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[WISPA] More spectrum?

[Jason Bailey]

http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/fcc-carves-out-another--mhz-forms-spectrum-auction-task-force/212502
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Re: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900

[Jason Bailey]

What I did was connect the omni to one port,connected a h-pol 9db panel and 
pointed it toward the majority of customers.

--- On Tue, 3/13/12, Eduardo  wrote:

From: Eduardo 
Subject: [WISPA] Omni antenna for a rocket M900
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 5:26 PM



 
 
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I have some customers inside a 
1 mile radius of a POP. We want to use a rocket M900 with an omni 
antenna and put a dummy load on the other RPSMA lead, since we couldn't find 
any 
MIMO 900MHz omni available.
 
Does anyone have 
any experience doing this?
 
Thanks,
Eduardo
Webjogger Internet 
Services
www.webjogger.net
 

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Re: [WISPA] Providing Data to rescue/rebuilding teams during recovery/disaster sites

[Jason Bailey]

Seems like maintaining an annually update list that has what each wisp could 
offer,if needed. Climbers,I.T. guru's with what level 
of networking skill,bucket trucks etc..

--- On Wed, 2/22/12, Josh Luthman  wrote:

From: Josh Luthman 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Providing Data to rescue/rebuilding teams during 
recovery/disaster sites
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 5:29 PM

Couldn't they just reach the WISPA members list?

http://www.wispa.org/member-directory

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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> Hello All,
>
> Being that this list covers all 50 states, I wanted to throw out the idea of
> getting folks on-board and assembled to help a company that has a sole focus
> of providing relief/disaster response.  These WISP's/Individuals would
> basically be on stand-by and would be able to assist if needed.
>
> If a tornado event like Joplin took place, this company could call on the
> nearest WISP on the list to help bring up communications asap.
>
> Is this possible?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Providing Data to rescue/rebuilding teams during recovery/disaster sites

[Jason Bailey]

I'm in. You need to get with Rick Harnish to organize this.

--- On Wed, 2/22/12, Zach Mann  wrote:

From: Zach Mann 
Subject: [WISPA] Providing Data to rescue/rebuilding teams during 
recovery/disaster sites
To: wireless@wispa.org
Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 5:27 PM

Hello All,
Being that this list covers all 50 states, I wanted to throw out the idea of 
getting folks on-board and assembled to help a company that has a sole focus of 
providing relief/disaster response.  These WISP's/Individuals would basically 
be on stand-by and would be able to assist if needed.

If a tornado event like Joplin took place, this company could call on the 
nearest WISP on the list to help bring up communications asap.
Is this possible?  


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Re: [WISPA] Ubnt RocketM2 stock

[Jason Bailey]

http://www.ubnt.com/stock

--- On Thu, 2/9/12, Scott Piehn  wrote:

From: Scott Piehn 
Subject: [WISPA] Ubnt RocketM2 stock
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, February 9, 2012, 9:21 AM



 
 



Does anyone have any in stock they would be willing 
to part with.  Looking to purchase 15
 
 

Scott 
Piehn
JCWIFI Division Manager
Computer Dynamics
451 W. South 
St
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Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network

[Jason Bailey]

If you are bridging radios,whats to stop a client from plugging a router in 
backwards,or any other ip device? Route at the cpe,192.x or 10.x either way you 
should be good. 

--- On Fri, 11/11/11, rwall...@tigernet.us  wrote:


From: rwall...@tigernet.us 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network
To: "WISPA General List" , "Scottie Arnett" 

Date: Friday, November 11, 2011, 6:31 PM




 Yes, I am bridging the radios, and using static addr's for each customer.
 

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network
From: "Scottie Arnett" 
Date: Fri, November 11, 2011 5:54 pm
To: "WISPA General List" 

 
So are you bridging the radios? It still sounds like a networking problem 
instead of the radio. If you are not bridging and using DHCP on the radio, try 
it in bridge mode and see if that changes anything.
 
Scottie Arnett
President
Info-Ed, Inc.
Electronics and More
931-243-2101
sarn...@info-ed.com

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Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network


Thanks Scottie,
 
Actually what is happening is as follows, all users having this problem are 
using MS Vista or MS7.   We use Static IP's, 192.168.0.nnn or .10.nnn, .15.nnn, 
.20.nnn - when the assigned IP, mask, gateway and DSN's are entered at the user 
loc. "local area Connection properties" dialog and saved a yellow triangle w/ a 
! appears over the Local Area Connection Icon, lower right, in the "Quick 
Launch toolbar".  When the mouse pointer is rested over the icon the message 
"Unidentified Network, No Network Access" appears.
 
It seems "Internet Explorer" reads the addressing data as a security risk and 
will not allow access.  Notwithstanding, microsoft's long and arduous efforts 
to provide us with secure communications, I feel they have overstepped my 
customers and my own needs for Microsoft Security where internet access is 
concerned.
 
My question is How Do I over come their enthusiasm with security where our 
internet access is concerned.
 
Ron Wallace
Tigernet Internet
trying to claw our way past Microsoft onto the Inet
 
 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network
From: "Scottie Arnett" 
Date: Thu, November 10, 2011 8:52 am
To: "WISPA General List" 

 




Are you doing DHCP with the client radios? If so, I remember some having 
problems if they used the 169.254.x.x private IP structure. Changing to another 
private structure solved the problem.
 
Scottie Arnett
President
Info-Ed, Inc.
Electronics and More
931-243-2101
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To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:07 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network


To All,
 
I have a problem with about 15 users not able to access the net.  Their PC's 
network icon, lower right on quick launch toolbar - MS, has a yellow triangle 
w/!.  indicating that their ethernet interface has no access.  Each user has 
MS7.  
 
This is specific to one tower location and three of the four sectors, 2 Canopy 
900's w/180* sectors, 2 Canopy 2.4's w/ 180* sectors.  At first we thought it 
was specific to MS7 Users, that is still the case.  However, not all MS7 
users.  The setup of all CPE & AP devices is the same.
 
We have reset one 900 to factory default and reconfig'd that device with no 
affect on the ability to access the net.
 
Any suggestions, advice, questions or direction would be greatly appreciated.
 
Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc. (Tigernet Internet)
rwall...@tigernet.us
Phone:517-547-8410
Cel:517-740-0941
 






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Re: [WISPA] Installation videos

[Jason Bailey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iR9z5mGmP0
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdmOzGCG4XI


--- On Thu, 11/3/11, Andy Trimmell  wrote:


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Installation videos
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, November 3, 2011, 10:30 AM







Does anyone remember the episodes of the provider that was doing youtube 
videos? It was pretty funny. Showed a couple episodes, cleaning out the van, 
installing an empty house….
 


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Andy Trimmell
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Installation videos
 
There was one out there from a Texas provider but it wasn’t educational more 
for WISP entertainment. I forget the name though.
 


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:08 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Installation videos
 
We are thinking of video documenting some customer installations and tower 
maintenance to post on youtube for the entertainment and education of our 
customers.  Is anyone doing this now and have some videos they would like to 
share for ideas?
 
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Re: [WISPA] Service in Deland,Fl

[Jason Bailey]

Thanks guys!

--- On Wed, 8/24/11, Dylan Bouterse  wrote:


From: Dylan Bouterse 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service in Deland,Fl
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Date: Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 8:05 AM






They aren’t far from each other. :oP
 
We can get to within a dozen miles of Deland, but not quite Deland. L
 
Dylan
 

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Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 1:03 AM
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UPDATE! It's Deland!   Sorry,my memory is failing!!!
--- On Wed, 8/24/11, Jason Bailey  wrote:

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Subject: [WISPA] Service in Deltona,Fl
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Date: Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 12:57 AM






Have an old friend that needs service. Hit me offlist. Thanks! Jason

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Re: [WISPA] Service in Deland,Fl

[Jason Bailey]

UPDATE! It's Deland!   Sorry,my memory is failing!!!
--- On Wed, 8/24/11, Jason Bailey  wrote:


From: Jason Bailey 
Subject: [WISPA] Service in Deltona,Fl
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 12:57 AM







Have an old friend that needs service. Hit me offlist. Thanks! Jason
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[WISPA] Service in Deltona,Fl

[Jason Bailey]

Have an old friend that needs service. Hit me offlist. Thanks! Jason


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Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

[Jason Bailey]

Mark,I think everyone knows you to be a very smart man.What do you suggest as a 
specific plan of action in the current situation.I think this is the best route 
to convey your message,with the impact you desire.  Jason

--- On Sat, 7/16/11, MDK  wrote:


From: MDK 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Saturday, July 16, 2011, 12:59 AM


A "plan of action"?  If I said "this is what WISPA should do" and laid it 
out in detail, all you'd do is say "who are you?  Why should we hacve to do 
what you say?"

Frankly, I have no idea why you're having difficulty.  You see, when you 
have proper business principles as your guiding mechanism, what you should 
do is crystal clear.   Nobody needs to write out a plan of action, it 
becomes self evident - you always advocate FOR the proper and best thing. 
And, after being consistent, year after year, and when stuff like this comes 
up, which becomes so blatantly obviously a result of failure to follow true 
principle, again, nothing is obscure or difficult.

Additionally, I said absolutely NOTHING partisan.   Not even ideological. 
It's simple straightforward business principles.   Principle Numero Uno is 
"have the freedom to be in business", and there is nothing convoluted or 
difficult about that.

You seem to be interested in mere expediency.   That's what's gotten us to 
this crisis point, the idea of managing the favoritism, the cronyism, etc, 
to favor you, or at least not hurt you too much.   That's what's BEEN going 
on.  Had we (WISPA) been looking for and actively seeking allies who would 
with us, say with many voices, but one message - "hands off, and be a 
steward of what's entrusted to you", I think the landscape would look 
different.  The word "steward" is loaded.  It means one entrusted to manage 
things for the benefit OF THE OWNER, that's us.    The FCC and Congress are 
managing for the benefit of the federal treasury and the donations to 
campaigns - which is the polar opposite of managed for the good of the 
people.

In the previous post, I wrote an analogy, one where the city effectively 
puts every service and business up for licensure at auction.  It takes no 
imagination at all to see that the city coffers and the winning bidder are 
the beneficiaries and the people are the losers.   Spectrum is a public or 
national resource held in trust by the federal government.   Auctions to the 
highest bidder do not benefit anyone but the monopoly holder and the 
treasury, by creating monopolies or very limited competition.   Again, we as 
consumers and businessmen are the losers.  Imagine if there were enough 
spectrum delegated so that if us WISP's wanted to be mobile broadband 
providers we could, as well as cellular, or even video / audio broadcasters. 
Instead, such services have been delegated a minute slice of available 
spectrum, keeping up the price of the auctions - and the number of 
competitors down.

Why?   It is in the interest of politicians to separate us from our money. 
But their REAL job is to defend us keeping it.  There are NOW myriad 
political allies to spread this message, to change the discussion from "whom 
to screw out of lots of money" to "what is the best policy for the people 
and keep competition alive?"   And, that's the message that is NOT being 
advocated by WISPA, and it should be.

You seem to think that the answer is to find the right pol to influence and 
the right committee members to lobby and the right allies to obstruct X or 
advance Y, but those are expediency, not principle.   They should be TACTICS 
to a principled purpose, one that will attract others, on the basis of its 
soundness and validity.

And lastly, about the FCC, the last administration's appointees were 
advocates for free markets and for competition and deregulation.  Not 
particularly effective ones, but at least they were not our enemy.   The 
current administration's people at the FCC are IN NO WAY our friend, for any 
way, manner, or purpose, and everything they want is bad for us and the 
country.  STop talking political party talking points, and get some reality.



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From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 8:01 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

> Errr...  and your point is ?
>
> Ok, I am a nobody... I have seen / read your emails, not once can I say
> I have been able to pick out a proposed specific, action or a plan of
> action from you 
>
> My friend you and I can agree or dis-agree on concepts all day long...
> but the point still remains ... I for myself still am not able to
> ascertain what exactly is it that you have been proposing ? ( I
> understand the anger at all of the powers to be part...and I beg to
> differ when you start blaming .

Re: [WISPA] Cat5E

[Jason Bailey]

Blair,for your viewing pleasure.
 

http://www.americantechsupply.com/outdoorcat5ewithmessenger.htm

--- On Sun, 4/10/11, Blair Davis  wrote:


From: Blair Davis 
Subject: [WISPA] Cat5E
To: memb...@wispa.org, "WISPA General List" 
Date: Sunday, April 10, 2011, 5:05 PM


Looking for an aerial, shielded, Cat5E with steel messenger wire 
suitable for a 250ft span.

Anybody got or seen such a thing?  Price and availability?





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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

[Jason Bailey]

Josh, I agree. I want to be able to solve my mess!Where is the 
solutionubnt??

--- On Fri, 2/25/11, can...@believewireless.net  
wrote:


From: can...@believewireless.net 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 9:28 PM


You could take a regular PoE switch and use Ubiquiti's Instant 802.3af 
converters.

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[WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

[Jason Bailey]

Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting 
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Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

[Jason Bailey]

you can select internal,external, or internal and external for mimo.

--- On Tue, 1/11/11, Robert West  wrote:


From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 4:17 PM






The 900L lists “External SMA Connector” but being a MIMO, I guessed it would 
have 2.  If just one, does the firmware allow you to choose 1 chain for the 
external for tx or rx?  Or both…….?  Just one?  Sounds like an exploratory 
mission.
 
 
 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?
 
Locos have connectors?

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Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!

[Jason Bailey]

seems wierd that we have moved so far in such a short time...What will come in 
the next ten years?iptv for all homes...ouch

--- On Thu, 12/16/10, Greg Ihnen  wrote:


From: Greg Ihnen 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 9:40 PM


I remember using one only about 10 years ago.





On Dec 16, 2010, at 10:05 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:





Anyone remember the "webramp"?dial-up router?

--- On Thu, 12/16/10, Scott Reed  wrote:


From: Scott Reed 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 9:33 PM


Youngster.  I don't know that I have it, but my first "high-speed" modem 
was 9600.  What a boost from 1200 which I used to do my first online class.

On 12/16/2010 9:24 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
> I have my first 28.8 modem from the beginning of dial-up.
>
> On 12/16/2010 4:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>> I keep one of my USR 56k modems on the wall =)
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Rick Harnish   wrote:
>>> Our first employee was a 14 year old kid that hacked into our server shortly
>>> after we started a dialup business in 1995.  His payment for the next couple
>>> years was hardware.  Dang, he must be nearly 30 now.  I can promise you he
>>> was successful!
>>>
>>> I went into the office one day and my partner said "We've been hacked".  I
>>> looked at him dumbfounded, not knowing with "hacked" meant.  He said I'm
>>> going to catch him next time.  The next day he said "I caught him, you will
>>> never believe who it is, He is 14 years old and he starts work tomorrow."
>>>
>>> Ah the good ole days!  56K Frame Relay backbone and (16) 19,200 baud US
>>> Robotics modems. :)
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Scott Lambert
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:45 PM
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:59:23AM -0800, Mark Nash wrote:
>>>>> When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry
>>>>> lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we
>>>> get
>>>>> a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all,
>>>>> shocked, angry, understanding, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little
>>>>> wrist-slap from dad...
>>>>>
>>>>> (names have been changed to protect the guilty)...
>>>>>
>>>>> ***
>>>>> Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just
>>>> informed
>>>>> me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding
>>>> the
>>>>> downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was
>>>>> labeled "Takers". I did download the film "Takers" from a bit torrent
>>>>> website and have since then deleted the film and any programs
>>>> affiliated
>>>>> with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again.
>>>> I
>>>>> do apologize for the inconvenience.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Taylor Wisdom
>>>>> ***
>>>> Sounds like most of the conversations we used to have with the 13
>>>> year old script-kiddy-wannabes in the late 90's.  The parents had
>>>> no clue what the kids were up to, but got very serious with the
>>>> kids when we called them at 2am to report their mis-behaviour.
>>>>
>>>> One kid's father scared hime enough that when one of his IRC friends
>>>> from another state said he was going to use a password he found for
>>>> one of our customer's on our shell server, the kid told Dad and Dad
>>>> dialed the phone and handed it back to the kid.  He ended up talking
>>>> to me.  I watched the other kid log in and run a few commands.  The
>>>> shells were all patched to log every command run to a central log
>>>> file we could tail -f.  He gave me the location and name of the
>>>> other kid. We calle

Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!

[Jason Bailey]

Anyone remember the "webramp"?dial-up router?

--- On Thu, 12/16/10, Scott Reed  wrote:


From: Scott Reed 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 9:33 PM


Youngster.  I don't know that I have it, but my first "high-speed" modem 
was 9600.  What a boost from 1200 which I used to do my first online class.

On 12/16/2010 9:24 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
> I have my first 28.8 modem from the beginning of dial-up.
>
> On 12/16/2010 4:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>> I keep one of my USR 56k modems on the wall =)
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Rick Harnish   wrote:
>>> Our first employee was a 14 year old kid that hacked into our server shortly
>>> after we started a dialup business in 1995.  His payment for the next couple
>>> years was hardware.  Dang, he must be nearly 30 now.  I can promise you he
>>> was successful!
>>>
>>> I went into the office one day and my partner said "We've been hacked".  I
>>> looked at him dumbfounded, not knowing with "hacked" meant.  He said I'm
>>> going to catch him next time.  The next day he said "I caught him, you will
>>> never believe who it is, He is 14 years old and he starts work tomorrow."
>>>
>>> Ah the good ole days!  56K Frame Relay backbone and (16) 19,200 baud US
>>> Robotics modems. :)
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Lambert
 Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:45 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!

 On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:59:23AM -0800, Mark Nash wrote:
> When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry
> lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we
 get
> a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all,
> shocked, angry, understanding, etc.
>
> This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little
> wrist-slap from dad...
>
> (names have been changed to protect the guilty)...
>
> ***
> Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just
 informed
> me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding
 the
> downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was
> labeled "Takers". I did download the film "Takers" from a bit torrent
> website and have since then deleted the film and any programs
 affiliated
> with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again.
 I
> do apologize for the inconvenience.
>
> Sincerely,
> Taylor Wisdom
> ***
 Sounds like most of the conversations we used to have with the 13
 year old script-kiddy-wannabes in the late 90's.  The parents had
 no clue what the kids were up to, but got very serious with the
 kids when we called them at 2am to report their mis-behaviour.

 One kid's father scared hime enough that when one of his IRC friends
 from another state said he was going to use a password he found for
 one of our customer's on our shell server, the kid told Dad and Dad
 dialed the phone and handed it back to the kid.  He ended up talking
 to me.  I watched the other kid log in and run a few commands.  The
 shells were all patched to log every command run to a central log
 file we could tail -f.  He gave me the location and name of the
 other kid. We called that kids's phone number:

 Us: "Get off my server."

 Kid: "I don't know what you're talking about dude."

 Us: "You are logged in as user blah from IP address blither.  The
        last command you ran was blah blah blah."

 Kid: "I'm off."

 The change from cocky to "oh sh**" was fun for us.

 Us: "Go get your Dad."

 I think that one ended up in Juvie.  It wasn't his first offence
 and his dad had promised to send him up the river the next time he
 did any hacking.  We were the next time he got caught.  Dad said
 he had been caught messing with NASA before.

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Re: [WISPA] New Job Posting in WISPA Classifieds

[Jason Bailey]

Wow,sounds like what I do for free.;)

--- On Wed, 11/17/10, Rick Harnish  wrote:


From: Rick Harnish 
Subject: [WISPA] New Job Posting in WISPA Classifieds
To: memb...@wispa.org, wireless@wispa.org
Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 1:42 PM








Field Technician
 
Contact Information
Contact Todd Bergstrom
Phone: 303-376-3760 
Location : Frederick, Colorado, USA 
Visit Website
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Responsibilities:

The field technician is responsible for all wireless networking integration 
services 3-dB Networks offers. Duties will include but not be limited to 
wireless site surveys, installation of wireless networking devices and 
maintenance of networks. 

Qualifications:

• A minimum of three years of related work experience is required

• Good working knowledge of switched/routed networks

• Knowledge of broadband wireless systems, including licensed microwave, WiFi, 
WiMAX, and Motorola Canopy

• Ability to safely work on rooftop utilizing ladders

• Willingness to work from telecommunications towers at heights up to 200’

• Safe driving record and valid driver’s license

• Willingness to work in a wide range of weather conditions
 
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WISPA
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Ex Parte Filing from yesterday

[Jason Bailey]

Fred,many of those tvws channels are untouchable,unless you run your tx at 
40mw.A full duplex system has the ap at full power on one channel,the s/u  tx 
ing on a low power only channel in full duplex.Many more channels are then 
available and you may now see the reason for this...BTW,those low power 
channels are considered mobile and wouldnt have all the restrictions.Do you see 
my point?Jason

--- On Thu, 10/14/10, Fred Goldstein  wrote:


From: Fred Goldstein 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Ex Parte Filing from yesterday
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 8:58 PM


At 10/14/2010 08:35 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:

In the days of two way radio,we had a great tx site,but low power 
handhelds(customer radios) couldnt be heard well by the reciever at that main 
tx site.We then installed remote reciever sites to be able to better hear the 
handhelds(customer radios)They uaually heard the main tx site fine.  Jason

That makes sense when power is highly asymmetrical, as with an HT.  However, 
power limits on TVWS are all low -- 4 W ERP max for a fixed unit -- so there's 
little reason to do that.  A wireless mic ("personal/portable") system just 
might, if it has to cover a fairly large area, but that's not what WISPs need.  
And wireless mics (non-fixed devices) aren't subject to the HAAT limit; their 
receivers can be anywhere too.  Channels up to 20 are only usable by Fixed 
devices.

The term "receive only" is not defined in the recent TVWS Order.  It was used 
in the old days for satellite receivers, back when you needed a license to 
legally pick up a satellite signal.  They dropped "TVRO" licensing after a lot 
of rural people had put in unauthorized dishes (remember those), prior to the 
start of DBS services.

ju> the only "snarky insults" are the ones that you contributed.

Oh, and Jack, I actually did read the whole new policy.  Why do you think I 
joined the great silence greeting a certain other poster's partisan comments 
earlier today?  I'm seriously asking about what you meant, and what position 
was expressed to the FCC.  Really.  You didn't answer me.  Unless you think 
"worth precisely zero" was an insult, though I meant it quite literally.

I work with an organization that is pulling a ton of middle-mile fiber which we 
hope will be attractive to WISPs, to serve currently "unserved" areas.  I've 
even done some strawman designs in RadioMobile to test the feasibility.  But 
those areas (hill towns) have houses, not to mention CAIs (on fiber) and thus 
obvious AP sites, higher than 75m HAAT.  So the height rules are a real problem 
in both directions.  I read your FCC posting and saw the term "receive only".  
It also talked about moving towers below the 75m limit, and didn't directly 
address subscribers.  But the Fixed rules apply to subscriber sites too.  A 
WISP could often beam uphill, rather than downhill, if it were only the towers, 
but Fixed APs will more often talk to Fixed subscribers than to 
personal/portable ones.  Especially when the available channels are below Ch. 
21. So it's a real technical/regulatory issue I'm raising.

Does anyone else here think I'm being insulting?  Have I made the question 
clear?  Or is Jack just being overly defensive?


--- On Thu, 10/14/10, Josh Luthman  wrote:



From: Josh Luthman 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Ex Parte Filing from yesterday

To: "WISPA General List" 

Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 8:26 PM


Maybe explain what it means to WISPs?

On Oct 14, 2010 8:17 PM, "Jack Unger" < jun...@ask-wi.com> wrote:

> Fred,

> 

> If you don't know how to use this then don't use it. Simple.

> 

> Thank-you for your opinion and have a good day.

> 

> jack

> 

> 

> On 10/14/2010 5:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

>> At 10/14/2010 06:35 PM, you wrote:

>>> Fred,

>>>

>>> Sites with TVWS receiving equipment instead of TVWS base stations

>>> that transmit.

>> Yes, which is worth precisely zero to a WISP, since we need two-way

>> transceivers. The only receive-only equipment is what goes with

>> wireless mics; the mics themselves are transmit only.

>>

>>> jack

>>>

>>>

>>> On 10/14/2010 3:22 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

>>>> At 10/14/2010 06:12 PM, you wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Steve Coran (respresenting WISPA), Comsearch, Motorola and Spectrum

>>>>> Bridge met with Julius Knapp and others from the FCC OET office

>>>>> yesterday in regard to certain limiting factors in the TVWS

>>>>> Memorandum Report& Order language. Below is the Ex parte Filing

>>>>> that was made today.

>>>> Rick, when you guys said "

Re: [WISPA] WISPA Ex Parte Filing from yesterday

[Jason Bailey]

In the days of two way radio,we had a great tx site,but low power 
handhelds(customer radios) couldnt be heard well by the reciever at that main 
tx site.We then installed remote reciever sites to be able to better hear the 
handhelds(customer radios)They uaually heard the main tx site fine.  Jason

--- On Thu, 10/14/10, Josh Luthman  wrote:


From: Josh Luthman 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Ex Parte Filing from yesterday
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 8:26 PM



Maybe explain what it means to WISPs?
On Oct 14, 2010 8:17 PM, "Jack Unger"  wrote:
> Fred,
> 
> If you don't know how to use this then don't use it. Simple.
> 
> Thank-you for your opinion and have a good day.
> 
> jack
> 
> 
> On 10/14/2010 5:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
>> At 10/14/2010 06:35 PM, you wrote:
>>> Fred,
>>>
>>> Sites with TVWS receiving equipment instead of TVWS base stations
>>> that transmit.
>> Yes, which is worth precisely zero to a WISP, since we need two-way
>> transceivers. The only receive-only equipment is what goes with
>> wireless mics; the mics themselves are transmit only.
>>
>>> jack
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/14/2010 3:22 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 At 10/14/2010 06:12 PM, you wrote:

> Steve Coran (respresenting WISPA), Comsearch, Motorola and Spectrum
> Bridge met with Julius Knapp and others from the FCC OET office
> yesterday in regard to certain limiting factors in the TVWS
> Memorandum Report& Order language. Below is the Ex parte Filing
> that was made today.
 Rick, when you guys said "to remove the HAAT restriction for
 receive-only sites", did you really mean receive-only, or did you
 mean the PtP subscriber (slave) station that talks to the "tower"?

 I am glad to see action this soon on the 76-meter issue, since it not
 only impacts tower locations, but subscriber sites.

 --
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[WISPA] tvws $$$$$$$$$$$

[Jason Bailey]

 Just a few quick questions.Who will actually make the gear?What will it 
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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

[Jason Bailey]

like

--- On Wed, 9/22/10, Robert West  wrote:


From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 11:01 PM






Boy, that’s for sure.
 
How many non-penetrating roof mounts have I refused to take after replacing the 
BS dish with the good stuff………?
 
Lots.
 
 
 
 
 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jason Bailey
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
 




satellite internet sux! Try and argue!discussion has ended

--- On Wed, 9/22/10, Robert West  wrote:

From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
To: fai...@snappydsl.net, "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 10:51 PM

Yep, just checked the log..  6 lost packets.

DAMN YOU FAISAL!!

Bob-



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Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

Ah. Feeling rather full after dinner..

Bob.. Count your pigeons to see if any of them are missing..

Oh Boy !... The Stuffed Pigeons we had for dinner were very delicious...!


:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


On 9/22/2010 10:08 PM, Robert West wrote:
> That's about UK Pigeons.  US pigeons are MUCH faster!  My pigeons have 
> a 13ms ping, verified by Speed Test .Net.  I'm really getting tired of 
> pigeon bashing by the media.  It all depends on the flock.
>
> Bob-
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> On Behalf Of John Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:43 PM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
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> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/it-8217s-official-carrier-pigeons
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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

[Jason Bailey]

satellite internet sux! Try and argue!discussion has ended

--- On Wed, 9/22/10, Robert West  wrote:


From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
To: fai...@snappydsl.net, "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 10:51 PM


Yep, just checked the log..  6 lost packets.

DAMN YOU FAISAL!!

Bob-



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Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

Ah. Feeling rather full after dinner..

Bob.. Count your pigeons to see if any of them are missing..

Oh Boy !... The Stuffed Pigeons we had for dinner were very delicious...!


:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


On 9/22/2010 10:08 PM, Robert West wrote:
> That's about UK Pigeons.  US pigeons are MUCH faster!  My pigeons have 
> a 13ms ping, verified by Speed Test .Net.  I'm really getting tired of 
> pigeon bashing by the media.  It all depends on the flock.
>
> Bob-
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> On Behalf Of John Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:43 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
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> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/it-8217s-official-carrier-pigeons
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Re: [WISPA] speed test

[Jason Bailey]

what type of wireless gear are you using?

--- On Sun, 9/12/10, David Williamson  wrote:


From: David Williamson 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 8:53 PM








How do you turn on bursting because I get these same types of users complaining 
because of a stupid speed test result.
 
David
 
 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jason Bailey
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 8:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test
 




turn on bursting?works awesome,they don't wanna tell you the results because 
they think they are getting way more than they should.

--- On Sun, 9/12/10, RickG  wrote:

From: RickG 
Subject: [WISPA] speed test
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 7:29 PM

OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to 
speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never 
really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load 
and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these 
people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( 

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Re: [WISPA] speed test

[Jason Bailey]

turn on bursting?works awesome,they don't wanna tell you the results because 
they think they are getting way more than they should.

--- On Sun, 9/12/10, RickG  wrote:


From: RickG 
Subject: [WISPA] speed test
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 7:29 PM


OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to 
speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never 
really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load 
and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these 
people who think they're not getting what they pay for :(
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Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

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For commercial vsat we would build up with treated 4x4 and bolt standard 
non-pen to it.

--- On Wed, 9/8/10, Marlon K. Schafer  wrote:


From: Marlon K. Schafer 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 1:09 PM


If you can get to the underside put angle iron or square tubing between the 
support beams and put your bolts through them.

marlon

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Subject: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod


>  I am looking to install a tripod on a commercial rooftop.  It's the
> style with the metal framing (3' or larger spans) and just insulation
> and the roofing material between.
>
> What do you guys do when you have to setup a tripod on such a roof?  Two
> legs could probably be secured to the metal framing, but what to do with
> the 3rd leg is what puzzles me.
>
> I have installed on this type of roof before, but it was with a DSS
> mount.  I just sucked the 2 bolts holding the DSS down tight and used
> nuts and lock washers on the back side.  I may have left the remaining
> holes unsecured.  I seriously doubt I could do the same thing with a 
> tripod.
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

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Eric,I have been trying for months to get someone at att to sell me fiber that 
is already in my building,they don't call back or dont know who to have me 
call!!Can you help?Thanks!Jason

--- On Wed, 9/1/10, Rick Harnish  wrote:


From: Rick Harnish 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 5:47 PM


That is Henry Street in Indy.  It is the main colo facility where all the
carriers are.  My company has had rack space at Henry Street since early
2008 in Lifeline Data Center.  Lifeline has another new data center further
east in Indy.

Rick

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> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:36 PM
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> 
>   I'll call shortly.  It looks like there's a cluster there near 70 and
> the river I'd look into.
> 
> http://www.datacentermap.com/usa/indiana/indianapolis/map.html
> 
> -
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> 
> On 9/1/2010 3:50 PM, Eric Rogers wrote:
> > We are only 8 miles from Indy, but there are no other CLECs in the
> > central office for Mooresville.  So, our options are AT&T, or Comcast
> > (because they have coax).  Shoot me a call (317) 831-3000 x200 if you
> > have ideas.
> >
> > Eric
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> > -Original Message-
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> >    I think we spoke once before.  You're not too far out from
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> >
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> > On 9/1/2010 2:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote:
> >> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently
> >> have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of
> >> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY
> >> other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them
> to
> >> do any BGP peering?
> >>
> >> What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up
> > with
> >> AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo.  That is less than
> >> what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit.  I called my sales rep and
> they
> >> stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I
> am
> >> under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for
> >> price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new
> >> customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am
> >> under contract...
> >>
> >> When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!?
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Jason Bailey]

My customers that run 1Mb down use it and have no trouble?Excessive 
bursting,then throttling will cause rebuffering after initial burst i have 
found.

--- On Tue, 8/31/10, Jeremie Chism  wrote:


From: Jeremie Chism 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 7:09 PM


Under 3mb causes alot of complaints due to repeated buffeting. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:

> Why not bandwidth shape them down to something reasonable? I find
> 1.1~1.2mbit for netflix and it looks fine. they will each 5mbit if you
> let it. This keeps things pretty manageable here.b
> 
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tom DeReggi  
> wrote:
>> OK, so should we be doing DNS redirecting.
>> 
>> Redirect "hulu.com" to  "allowvideo.com" for $9.95 Shopping Cart item.
>> 
>> Alacart content?
>> 
>> Its no different than Microsoft Windows XP, being allowed to bundle
>> Iexplorer and MSN with WindowsOS, as long as they included signup links for
>> downloading and subscribing to NetScape and one ro two other Big Internet
>> Providers.
>> 
>> As long as its not discriminatory Make sure to include an Allow Item for
>> EVERY Video Provider you can think of Example
>> 
>> Welcome to Allow Video.com Shopping Cart.
>> 1. Enable Hulu $9.95
>> 2. Enable NetFlix $9.95
>> 3. Enable GoogleTV $9.95
>> 4. Enable ESPN360 $9.95  (Note... would redirect to third party ISP
>> partnering with your ISP able to deliver an ESPN360 compatible IP or cached
>> data :-)
>> 5. Enable MYISP TV  (Note: charge for access to your own Video services that
>> you self host/offer, so its availble accross other ISPs also from this site,
>> and so non-discriminary)
>> 
>> Disclaimer: This site/fee allows access to reach the above video provider
>> sites. Access to enter and obtain the site's offered services and content is
>> not covered by this fee. Additional subscription fees may be required
>> directly by the Video content provider. View their sites for their fees,
>> terms and conditions..
>> 
>> So.
>> Comcast my video access provider charges consumers $9.95 for HBO and $9.95
>> more for Showtime alacart, why cant I as the Internet Access provider charge
>> my subs the same?
>> 
>> The problem is NOT charging for content. The problem is not allowing some to
>> buy access to content. The problem is not allowing all to carry or resell
>> the content.
>> 
>> The facts are...Verizon and Comcasts wont charge for content, if we are
>> allowed to carry content and we choose to not charge for it. If we charge
>> more than the market will bear, consumers will leave us, and that keeps us
>> honeset and fair. Its already established that Consumers have been willing
>> to pay for content.
>> 
>>  If the video content providers complain, tell them you'll give them a
>> revenue share if they send you a caching server for you to host::-)
>> 
>> 
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>> 
>> 
>>> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
>> 
>> I don't think there are any laws on it at this point.  It's like
>> ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept
>> policy for those that pay.
>> 
>>> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
>> 
>> Lots of overhead, lots of DNS queries.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
>>  wrote:
>>> WAIT...
>>> 
>>> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
>>> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger 
>>> wrote:
 Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are
 interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth,
 but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in
 places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the
 internet for X number of other customers on that AP... when many other
 customers on the network can use netfix with no problems.
 
 We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased
 accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon.
 I'm not looking forward to those phone calls, but it must be done...
 
 -Paul
 
 On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote:
 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
> Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers
> that are abusing the service.
> 
> 
> If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify
> what th

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

[Jason Bailey]

14 mile link,bullet m5 w/pac 28db grids40+each way,for months.

--- On Tue, 8/31/10, Mark Dueck  wrote:


From: Mark Dueck 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
To: wireless@wispa.org
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:02 AM


I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link with these 
for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were not stable.  I was 
getting about 512k throughput.

On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: 






Distance?
 
- Jerry
 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
 
I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now.

On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, "MDK"  wrote:

I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it
won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles.

Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would require
some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do 100 m
one way, if there's any backward traffic.

What Proxim stuff?


++
Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
541-969-8200 509-386-4589
+...
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
> Proxim, Ubiquiti M...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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[WISPA] shielded termination

[Jason Bailey]

http://www.vpi.us/installation/assemble-cat5eshld.html


  


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Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts

[Jason Bailey]

$50 dollar fence charger? tsc,here we come!

--- On Fri, 8/20/10, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:


From: Jeromie Reeves 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 11:55 PM


most of them have a a automatic FTP upload or other streaming feature.
VLC on the backend works as do a few other options

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 8:49 PM, RickG  wrote:
> In that case, what do you use for the DVR software?
>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Jeromie Reeves 
> wrote:
>>
>> There are good $75 ethernet cameras. Use a linux PC for the DVR/Face
>> Rec/Alerts
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Ralph  wrote:
>> > This is right next to one of our sites.
>> > Glad they caught them!
>> >
>> > Subject: [WISPA] Tower site thefts
>> >
>> > http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm#Generator
>> >
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] off topic -- sky show tonight

[Jason Bailey]

been looking,no luck,I'll keep at it. Thanks

--- On Thu, 8/12/10, Mike  wrote:


From: Mike 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] off topic -- sky show tonight
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 10:19 PM








To the west in the setting sun.  The moon has set at my location but Venus is 
brightest with mars up and left, and Saturn up and right. 
 



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jason Bailey
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:07 PM
To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] off topic -- sky show tonight
 





Not seeing it,where should I be looking???



--- On Thu, 8/12/10, St. Louis Broadband  wrote:


From: St. Louis Broadband 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] off topic -- sky show tonight
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 8:46 PM

This is also known as the T-Square Convergence:
PLANETS ALIGN FOR THE PERSEIDS: Mark your calendar- On Thursday, August 12th, 
an alignment of planets in the sunset sky will kick off the finest meteor 
shower of 2010, the Perseids. Solar wind speed has remained consistent over the 
last 8 days- perhaps an early indication that solar intensity is strengthening. 
Geomagnetic activity has subsided to low levels and the aurora show of August 
3rd and 4th has come to an end but the Earth could face another potential 
geomagnetic storm as early as next week. Sunspots have erupted across the 
entire surface of the Sun, facing Earth. Sunspots 1092 and 1093 pose a threat 
for C-class solar flares. -Space Weather
Victoria Proffer  - President/CEO 
StLouisBroadband.com  
ShowMeBroadband.com 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 7:36 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] off topic -- sky show tonight
The show begins at sundown when Venus, Saturn, Mars and the crescent Moon
pop out of the western twilight in tight conjunction. All four heavenly
objects will fit within a circle about 10 degrees in diameter, beaming
together through the dusky colors of sunset. No telescope is required to
enjoy this naked-eye event.
Stay up late and the Perseid meteor shower will be peaking too.
Friendly Regards,
Mike Gilchrist
Disruptive Technologist
Advanced Wireless Express
P.O. Box 255
Toledo, IA   52342
239.770.6203
m...@aweiowa.com
 




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Re: [WISPA] off topic -- sky show tonight

[Jason Bailey]

Not seeing it,where should I be looking???


--- On Thu, 8/12/10, St. Louis Broadband  wrote:


From: St. Louis Broadband 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] off topic -- sky show tonight
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 8:46 PM



This is also known as the T-Square Convergence:

PLANETS ALIGN FOR THE PERSEIDS: Mark your calendar- On Thursday, August 12th, 
an alignment of planets in the sunset sky will kick off the finest meteor 
shower of 2010, the Perseids. Solar wind speed has remained consistent over the 
last 8 days- perhaps an early indication that solar intensity is strengthening. 
Geomagnetic activity has subsided to low levels and the aurora show of August 
3rd and 4th has come to an end but the Earth could face another potential 
geomagnetic storm as early as next week. Sunspots have erupted across the 
entire surface of the Sun, facing Earth. Sunspots 1092 and 1093 pose a threat 
for C-class solar flares. -Space Weather


Victoria Proffer  - President/CEO 
StLouisBroadband.com  
ShowMeBroadband.com 


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 7:36 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] off topic -- sky show tonight
The show begins at sundown when Venus, Saturn, Mars and the crescent Moon
pop out of the western twilight in tight conjunction. All four heavenly
objects will fit within a circle about 10 degrees in diameter, beaming
together through the dusky colors of sunset. No telescope is required to
enjoy this naked-eye event.
Stay up late and the Perseid meteor shower will be peaking too.
Friendly Regards,
Mike Gilchrist
Disruptive Technologist
Advanced Wireless Express
P.O. Box 255
Toledo, IA   52342
239.770.6203
m...@aweiowa.com
 




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[WISPA] ATT fiber

[Jason Bailey]

A new fiber demarc was installed in the same building as we are.Anyone have 
contact info for Michigan rep? Thanks!  Jason


 


  


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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

[Jason Bailey]

If it's all layer 2 bridge,maybe a second dhcp server running? Are you running 
dhcp?

--- On Sun, 8/1/10, Eric Rogers  wrote:


From: Eric Rogers 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 9:16 AM


Forbes,

Can you give me a little more info on the setup of your network?  Are
you layer 2 throughout your backhauls and tower sites?  I have seen OSPF
flapping causing some weird issues on layer 3 networks.  If you look at
the routers in the tower site, do you see anything in the log as to what
is going on?

Experience says it is the first site that is having issues that is
causing issues behind it.

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 2:45 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

This has been a very long day, after a lightning storm we started to
have towers randomly drop for 2-10 minutes with no consistency as to
where, how how long.  The tower that was affected by last nights
lightning restarted (locally) so that wasn't it.  The outages were so
extensive that at one time we had 17 devices down and five minutes later
65 devices down, 10 minutes later 33, so you see where this is coming
from.  I went to the head end and rebooted everything from the core
router on out., changed passwords on the core in case it had been
compromised but show run didn't reveal anything.  Oh the other thing,
every computer we have started to say IP address is in use on the
network, no matter what we changed it to, even a subnet we don't yet use
it said it was in use.  I had to repair my connection often just to do
work on the network and it would work for a while then again say
duplicate IP.  That's why I'm convinced it's traffic.

I started turning Towers back on one at a time and for about 6 towers
there were no drops, I drove to the next junction site to turn more on
but by then the original 6 were dropping, I turned the rest of them on
but by now it's 11PM so traffic was probably lower as it's Sat. Night.  
Honestly I don't know what to do, Our Backhauls are all Mikrotik to our
12 towers, WireShark isn't seeing anything unusual, I have icmp packet
drop in the filters.  My weekend is basically ruined, what's new in this
business, but if anyone has ideas I've talked to two networking gurus in
town and they both said "geez I don't know you wireless guys have way
bigger networks than we do".  sigh.

Thanks,
Forbes




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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Jason Bailey]

model/any other spec on them?

--- On Tue, 7/27/10, Gino Villarini  wrote:


From: Gino Villarini 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 2:40 PM








If anyone is interested, I got 6 nighthawk units brand new willing to part with 
very easely….(cheap)
 

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143




From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
 
Worked for me two weeks ago.

On Jul 27, 2010 2:06 PM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

nighthawk systems used to sell pager reboot devices. I still have a few, but 
they quit supporting the paging protocol used on my units...now they are 
paperweights.

Cameron


On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>  What are you...




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Re: [WISPA] DHCP Question

[Jason Bailey]

what is your dhcp lease time set to?

--- On Thu, 7/22/10, Scott Reed  wrote:


From: Scott Reed 
Subject: [WISPA] DHCP Question
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 8:38 PM


I have a customer that has a RB411R as the CPE.  It is running DHCP 
server on the ethernet interface.
They have a Belkin 3129 SOHO router that gets its address from the RB.  
At least once per day the router will drop its address and get a new 
one.  During this time the router and the customer's computers show the 
Internet is down (the router has a red/green light on the front.)
I have replaced the radio and the POE-24i the powers it.  I thought 
maybe the Cat5 was kinked at the CPE end so I replace the RJ45.
What am I missing that would cause a device to request a DHCP address?

-- 
Scott Reed
Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
1-800-363-1544 x2241
1-260-827-2241
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Jason Bailey]

--- On Mon, 7/19/10, Phil Curnutt  wrote:


From: Phil Curnutt 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 11:19 PM


The anchor kit is L-bolts into concrete filled holes.  The 17.5' tower weights 
60 pounds plus mast (20lbs for the alum) and antennas.  Four three foot holes, 
six inches in diameter hold two 80 lb bags of concrete; that's 620 lbs holding 
it down.  Of course three foot holes here in New Mexico are a chore, so a 
tractor with a 4" auger into a hole prepped with a power washer is a necessity, 
but you guys out there with that deep top soil shouldn't have to much of a 
problem.

Phil


On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

I would love to see that around here...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373






On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:





wish I could find prices like that... A 50ft is $600 installed around here




Mike wrote: 
No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks.  They are
tree guys.  Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles.  I have
customers there too.  The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few
months back. 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

  Must not have any lineman friends.  ;-)

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:
  
Fred:

I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
would
  
be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.

Friendly Regards,

Mike

Mike Gilchrist
Disruptive Technologist
Advanced Wireless Express
P.O. Box 255
Toledo, IA   52342
239.770.6203
m...@aweiowa.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.

Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
setup with us too.  Thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] Fiber up towers?

[Jason Bailey]

110 vac. ran in conduit to a nema box mounted on tower,plastic conduit to run 
it and place junction boxes every 30' to place strain relief and assist the 
pull of fiber and romex.
--- On Thu, 7/15/10, Josh Luthman  wrote:


From: Josh Luthman 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber up towers?
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 8:59 PM


What is used to run AC up the tower?  What kind of current can it hold?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Scott Reed  wrote:


I haven't done any, but I have seen where they run it in PVC, but every 20' or 
30' they put in a section of flexible that is looped 360* so that the fiber is 
"supported" every 30'.  I would think that regardless of what type it is you 
would want it supported.  Most cable has a weight support limit that could 
easily be exceeded with the amount of cable required to go up a tower.

Justin Wilson wrote: 



This is a question for any of you running fiber up your towers.

1.How are you doing strain relief on the fiber? 
2.Do you run it in conduit or use the armored stuff and not worry about conduit?
3.If conduit. Is it flexible or rigid?
4.What type of transceiver are you using at the top?

Pics? Lessons learned?

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Re: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo

[Jason Bailey]

change to ap-wds and sta-wds ;)

--- On Tue, 7/13/10, Justin Mann  wrote:


From: Justin Mann 
Subject: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo
To: wireless@wispa.org
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 6:08 PM


Hello,

My name is Justin. I work for Mark Nash, whom I'm sure you have heard 
from before. I'm his company's engineer. This is my first time writing 
into or reading the WISPA list; Mark suggested that some people here 
might be able to help me with a particular issue we have been 
experiencing.  If anyone here has suggestions as to what the issue would 
be, I would appreciate it.

Here is my scenario. We have two sites; we will call them "A" and "B".

At site "A" we have a Mikrotik router, running RouterOS v4.5. At site 
"B" we have 3 StarOS access points.

Each access point has a /30 on it's ethernet side, shared with the 
router, and uses RIP. We have a bridged StarOS backhaul between them. It 
works pleasantly; the router has never failed to pick up the remote 
networks on the access points before. Recently, we have wanted to 
replace our StarOS backhauls with UBNT Rocket backhauls.

When we attempted to do this, we encountered a very strange bug with no 
workaround I could find. When we switch to the Rocket backhaul, we can 
no longer communicate with remote networks. Now, both the APs and the 
Router are still running RIP - and you can look at the RIP routing 
information and see that the router has indeed received the downstream 
routes. However, we can only communicate with the /30s. If we attempted 
to reach the remote networks, it returns as unreachable - and if we 
attempt to trace those networks, it seems that the Mikrotik router is 
attempting to route traffic to an internal-only address assigned to the 
Rocket backhaul devices.

Example. Network 1.0.0.0/24 is on the far side of Access point A. With 
the StarOS bridged backhauls, the Mikrotik router successfully adds a 
route to its kernel routing table to route 1.0.0.0/24 through the /30 
assigned to the access point. In our failure scenario with the Rockets, 
the same route is successfully received via RIP, and you can see that 
1.0.0.0/24 is still pointing correctly to the /30. However, when the 
router actually attempts to forward a packet, it forwards the packet to 
an internal-only address assigned to the Rocket Backhauls, an address 
that does not appear ANYWHERE in the router's routing table.

What makes it more difficult is that even static routes do not work. If 
RIP is disabled on the respective devices, and a static route is 
entered, it still fails to work - it even fails to work if you 
completely remove the internal network from the router, and leave only 
the /30s on the interface, with a static route. The router still cannot 
communicate with downstream networks - only the /30 directly connected 
to it. this only happens with the UBNT rocket AP is in place.

Currently, the rockets are configured as bridges, in AP and Station 
mode, with AirMax enabled.

If anyone has any advice I would appreciate it.



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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[Jason Bailey]

i noticed all of them at walmart say cisco and hide linksys now,and have an 
added pricetag?

--- On Mon, 7/12/10, Robert West  wrote:


From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
To: sarn...@info-ed.com, "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 11:53 PM


Just stay away from those 35 dollar Linksys routers at Wal-Mart.  

Bob-



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

Not a pro or con on DD-WRT, but it is a very functional piece of software.
I have been running it on my Linksys WRT54GL for 3 or 4 years. It supports
DDNS, VLANS, VLAN tagging, Bridging, Wireless( setting all parameters), MAC
radius Client, Wireless Security(WEP, ALL WPA, Radius) MAC filters, WDS, ...
hell much more than I care to comment on. Load it on a cheap
router(http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices) and see what
you think. For Free, it gives 'TIK a hell of a run for the money.

Scottie

> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 13:24, Mike  wrote:
>
>>  No disrespect intended here, but I have been through the DD-WRT 
>> thing with Linksys and Buffalo routers.  The Buffalo worked better long
term.
>> I
>> probably did it with 20 units total.
>>
>> Everyone has anecdotal evidence for/against their favorite hardware, 
>> so no
> problem. I've had good luck with WRT54GLs (the L is important, the 
> WRT54G is now a different and much less useful device), others have 
> had better luck with other gear, it's all good. :)
>
>
> Isn't DD-WRT used for commercial purposes a pay as you go deal?
>>
> The developers do offer paid support, but the software itself is 
> (AFAIK) all GPL'd.
>
>
>
>> Sometimes when you flash the DD-WRT code, and for unknown reason, you 
>> end up bricking the unit.  They even say so in their Wiki.  There has 
>> to be a cheap, easy to use, reliable alternative that doesn't require 
>> re-flashing and fussing.
>>
>
> Again, I've never run into that problem, and we've probably done this 
> a couple hundred times over the years.
>
> David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[Jason Bailey]

walked in the door mumbling to myself as i read my blackberry,said soho and 
smack! time for bed.

--- On Mon, 7/12/10, Robert West  wrote:


From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 11:41 PM


The M series firmware has a SOHO router option.

Bob-



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

i have seen this as well on the linksys hardware - but then again what good
is linksys hardware?
doorstops maybe. 

Trendnet, Netgear and others seem to have them beat... 

I was hoping when Cisco made the purchase they would get better... 
alas - time to stop holding my breath. 


Bob - SOHO on what ubnt units? 
On Jul 12, 2010, at 10:17 PM, Robert West wrote:

> My problem with the latest  DD-WRT is that the firmware seems to 
> overheat or lockup.  At least on the Linksys hardware.  Not as good
anymore.
> 
> Bob-
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:14 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
> 
> got me.  We simply use MT.  Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a 
> consumer grade hardware and put some other software on them, but 
> sounds like more work than it needs to be.
> 
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> 
> 
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> On Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:16 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] DD-WRT
> 
> Ok I have heard from lots of threads on this list that DD-WRT is the 
> only way to go  on a SOHO routers.  Why?
> 
> What's the benefits? 
> What's the down falls?
> 
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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[Jason Bailey]

yes,but programming a new linksys in 1 minute flat is nice!,Try that 
netgear!!!(even customers can do it!)

--- On Mon, 7/12/10, Robert West  wrote:


From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 11:41 PM


The M series firmware has a SOHO router option.

Bob-



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

i have seen this as well on the linksys hardware - but then again what good
is linksys hardware?
doorstops maybe. 

Trendnet, Netgear and others seem to have them beat... 

I was hoping when Cisco made the purchase they would get better... 
alas - time to stop holding my breath. 


Bob - SOHO on what ubnt units? 
On Jul 12, 2010, at 10:17 PM, Robert West wrote:

> My problem with the latest  DD-WRT is that the firmware seems to 
> overheat or lockup.  At least on the Linksys hardware.  Not as good
anymore.
> 
> Bob-
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:14 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
> 
> got me.  We simply use MT.  Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a 
> consumer grade hardware and put some other software on them, but 
> sounds like more work than it needs to be.
> 
> ---
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> Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line 
> Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:16 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] DD-WRT
> 
> Ok I have heard from lots of threads on this list that DD-WRT is the 
> only way to go  on a SOHO routers.  Why?
> 
> What's the benefits? 
> What's the down falls?
> 
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10

[Jason Bailey]

the new breed of linksys (cisco) seems to be better,Hope it ends the 
cycle(literally) Doubt it,keep on keepin on!

--- On Sun, 7/11/10, Robert West  wrote:


From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 9:32 PM






Nice.  But that’s been how my day has gone.  5 calls with the fix being POWER 
CYCLE YOUR ROUTER!
 
I turned off the cell.
 
Bob-
 
 
 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jason Bailey
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 9:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10
 




Tell me about it,I'm still getting calls at this time of night because i pulled 
a plug to install ups.

--- On Sun, 7/11/10, Robert West  wrote:

From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 9:18 PM

I hate you.

Just so ya know.

Bob-




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Subject: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10


Greetings. I will be out of the office (Salmon fishing) July 12th and back
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Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10

[Jason Bailey]

Tell me about it,I'm still getting calls at this time of night because i pulled 
a plug to install ups.

--- On Sun, 7/11/10, Robert West  wrote:


From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 9:18 PM


I hate you.

Just so ya know.

Bob-




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Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 12:59 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10


Greetings. I will be out of the office (Salmon fishing) July 12th and back
on Tuesday.
If your matter is urgent:

For  quote requests, send email to quo...@ctg3.com

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Heather Adams - (971) 207-5758 - heat...@ctg3.com

Margaret Johnson - (253) 639-9536 - marga...@ctg3.com

Beth Nichols - (509)838-1404 - b...@ctg3.com

Gene Cleary - 206-686-3750 - g...@ctg3.com

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Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)

[Jason Bailey]

like!

--- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West  wrote:


From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 10:42 PM


I've never had law enforcement happy with me so that's nothing new.  But 
ever since I've joined the Presidents Club at my local bail bondsman, it's 
all good.

Every tenth bail is free.

Bob-


- Original Message - 
From: "Jeremie Chism" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)


> They may do that anyway. I have been dealing with different aspects of
> law enforcement for years and it seems like they are never happy. Then
> you have the officers that will not want the stuff in their cars to
> start with. Somehow that will be your fault to.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 29, 2010, at 9:09 PM, RickG  wrote:
>
>> I've got a town that currently uses Sprint cards but they suck due to
>> poor coverage. They have water tanks and other resource for me to put
>> AP's on but I want to use something robust enough that they dont tar &
>> feather for poor relaibility!
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Robert West > > wrote:
>>> Yep!  Had one for over a year or so.  Love it, never use it
>>>
>>> And here is why..
>>>
>>> It's the older PCMCIA slot config.  The new laptops are the express
>>> card.
>>> My everyday laptop is newer, no PCMCIA slot.  Have to break out the
>>> old
>>> Toshiba to use the thing
>>>
>>> The antenna clips to the screen.  Gets in the way.  I did, however,
>>> use to
>>> use a magnetic mount on the roof and run a cable into the truck to
>>> a MMCX
>>> connector to snap into the card.  worked darned well.  lots of
>>> wires though.
>>>
>>> What I ended up doing was put a Mikrotik R52H card in the laptops
>>> to an SMA
>>> conector I installed in the laptop.
>>>
>>> Works much, much better and I can use either the SMA if I want to
>>> put a big
>>> antenna on it or it will use the internal laptop antenna.  The
>>> bonus is that
>>> it's cheaper to go that route.
>>>
>>> So it sits in the toolbox.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "RickG" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small
>>> town)
>>>
>>>
>>> Has or does anyone use the Ubiquiti solution for this? 
>>> http://ubnt.com/src
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Jeremie Chism 
>>> wrote:
 I have 100 police car deployment using alvarion that roams over
 multiple towers with static IP addresses. Expensive but it works day
 in and day out.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:16 PM, "Patrick D. Nix, Jr"
  wrote:

> We are working on a project for a small town in rural Oklahoma for
> mobile broadband in 7 police units. Would anyone that has
> successfully completed such a project mind giving us some advice to
> start.
>
> Thanks
>
> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
> Computer Network Solutions
> CSWEB.NET Internet Services
> IT Manager
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Jason Bailey]

http://www.ubnt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19484

--- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West  wrote:


From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector 
Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:28 PM


Are they also matching them up with a damn great super fantsitc, can't live 
without radio?  Will they finally be taking that swing at Canopy we've been 
promised?

Do tell!  What's the scoop

Bob-


- Original Message - 
From: "Jason Bailey" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector 
Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.


I have been waiting to see this discussionso I started it! I know the 
schedule and I'm anxious to see it.It will come,and when it does it will 
shake the market up!IMHO we need that!.Jason For now,MTI 
expensive..GET what you pay for.

--- On Thu, 4/29/10, Michael Baird  wrote:


From: Michael Baird 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. 
Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:22 PM


There are two more months in the 2nd quarter, they said in the last week
they are still on target. Ubiquiti seems to come out with the products
fine, they just don't get enough of it out into the pipeline to meet demand.

Regards
Michael Baird
> UBNT works on the Julian calendar.
>
> It's not their fault that you don't know how to convert.
>
> LOL!
>
> Thanks a bunch. I heard something aout them doing 900 sectors but nothing
> solid. Might be worth the wait. Like till 2013?
>
> Bob-
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jason Bailey"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.
> Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
>
>
> Also look at ubnt,They are coming out with 900 and 3.65 in the second
> quarter of 2010...H,isn't this the second quarter??? :)
>
>
> --- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert West
> Subject: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not
> healthcare, taxes or government related.
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:02 PM
>
>
> I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector
> antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've
> never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works
> great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs
> some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , 
> into
> the trees to the CPEs.
>
> I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB
> so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's
> deserved.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bob-
>
> The cheap SOB
>
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Jason Bailey]

I have been waiting to see this discussionso I started it! I know the 
schedule and I'm anxious to see it.It will come,and when it does it will shake 
the market up!IMHO we need that!.Jason   For now,MTI expensive..GET 
what you pay for.

--- On Thu, 4/29/10, Michael Baird  wrote:


From: Michael Baird 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. 
Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:22 PM


There are two more months in the 2nd quarter, they said in the last week 
they are still on target. Ubiquiti seems to come out with the products 
fine, they just don't get enough of it out into the pipeline to meet demand.

Regards
Michael Baird
> UBNT works on the Julian calendar.
>
> It's not their fault that you don't know how to convert.
>
> LOL!
>
> Thanks a bunch.  I heard something aout them doing 900 sectors but nothing
> solid.  Might be worth the wait.  Like till 2013?
>
> Bob-
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jason Bailey"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.
> Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
>
>
> Also look at ubnt,They are coming out with 900 and 3.65 in the second
> quarter of 2010...H,isn't this the second quarter??? :)
>
>
> --- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West  wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert West
> Subject: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not
> healthcare, taxes or government related.
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:02 PM
>
>
> I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector
> antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've
> never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works
> great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs
> some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , into
> the trees to the CPEs.
>
> I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB
> so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's
> deserved.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bob-
>
> The cheap SOB
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not healthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Jason Bailey]

Also look at ubnt,They are coming out with 900 and 3.65 in the second quarter 
of 2010...H,isn't this the second quarter??? :)


--- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West  wrote:


From: Robert West 
Subject: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not 
healthcare, taxes or government related.
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:02 PM


I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector antenna(s).  
Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've never had to buy 
these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works great.  I've done the 
Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs some decent signal for 2 
to 4 miles.  Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , into the trees to the CPEs.

I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB so 
it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's 
deserved.

Thanks.

Bob-

The cheap SOB






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Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not healthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Jason Bailey]

THANKS for changing the subjectCheck out MTI...worth the extra

--- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West  wrote:


From: Robert West 
Subject: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not 
healthcare, taxes or government related.
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:02 PM


I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector antenna(s).  
Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've never had to buy 
these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works great.  I've done the 
Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs some decent signal for 2 
to 4 miles.  Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , into the trees to the CPEs.

I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB so 
it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's 
deserved.

Thanks.

Bob-

The cheap SOB






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Re: [WISPA] Satellite Internet Providers

[Jason Bailey]

Google Idirect,Good service.

--- On Sat, 4/24/10, Dan Ferguson  wrote:


From: Dan Ferguson 
Subject: [WISPA] Satellite Internet Providers
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 6:41 PM


Hello,

I am looking for suggestions for shared satellite Internet providers 
which  can service Alaska. It's painfully expensive and we are looking 
for options to get more bandwidth.

Thanks,

- Dan





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Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman

[Jason Bailey]

I thought I  was the only one who spent many hours on the phone to get them 
back on the sat connection after convincing them they have a wireless router of 
thier ownMade the mistake of offering service and now they think it's a 
scam! How many hours should one spend on the phone with a non-customer?

--- On Thu, 4/22/10, Scott Carullo  wrote:


From: Scott Carullo 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 11:14 PM


Thats funny, but we can relate.  I like the one where the people call and 
tell us we hijacked their computer and we can't do that and how they are 
going to call (whoever).  The only page their computer can open is our 
hotspot page cause no matter where they go they get redirected to our 
friendly *pay here* page.  We nicely explain that no that is not the case 
and obviously they are unable to operate their computer properly, but we 
can help.  Its their next words that cause a sudden cease of communication 
or a walk through of how to disconnect from an access point...  Their 
choice :)  I've seen it go both ways more than once...

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102



From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:03 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old 
Woman

Regretfully no.  I went the other route, was so overly nice and respectful 

(Almost to the edge of sarcasim)  I'm sure they felt like total jerks, or 
at 
least normal folk would.   A big smile on my face and a saws-all in my 
hand.

But I was worked up, I can tell ya that.

Bob-

- Original Message - 
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old 
Woman

> Did you actually tell them "YOUR FIRED" ???
>
> Congrats if you did, I know we've all wanted to do that at times to 
> certain
> customers...
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:54 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old
> Woman
>
> Ah...  But it got better today.
>
> This customer was the ONLY one on a very NEW AP.  Teenage grandson 
begged
> and begged to be installed.  I never install a paying customer until I 
> test
> and test and tweak with a volunteer and it's perfect and near bullet 
> proof.
> But "Josh" begs and I bend the rules.  Told my cousin, who was my 
> volunteer,
>
> I'd be back after I get this kid all fixed up.  So I go to boys house.
> Lives with grandparents.  The place is like a postcard.  Very 
unbelievably
> anal.  Calculations put me 20 feet up for bottom of Fresnel.  Grandpa 
says
> "Nope", can't put it on the house.  (2 story, tall place)  No antenna
> tower...  Well too bad then.  But "Josh", 15, makes the sad story to 

> me
> so I bend again and spring for a 4 foot hole, 6 bags of cement, 40 foot
> mast, ect..  Way out back behind the shed.  Tell them all it 
will
> take probably a week to get it all set to be perfect.  Well here it is, 
> been
>
> a week.  Of course, grandma yells at me last night, has a big attitude.
> Today, boy calls, "Internet not working"  Attitude again. (I'm 
monitoring
> all day, problem is obviously is with his PC)   I remind him that old 
man
> said no house mount (has a very nice big chimney to clam on to)  and I 
was
> monitoring the signal all day today, and I was.  Has a -74 ALL DAY!  He's 

> 7
> miles out with trees  But still very good signal.  So teen boy,
> "Josh" tells me "Grandpa said that if you don't come out right now to fix 

> it
>
> you need to come tomorrow and take everything out including "the pole"
> because it's UNRELIABLE"
>
> Oppps!  Said the wrong thing.  I closed the store, went home and picked 
up
> my saws all, drove out...  Pulled out the big cable cutters
> Josh boy comes over on his ATV  "What ya think is wrong?"  I
> say...  "I'm sorry, grandpa says we're unreliable so I'm just gonna 
> help
>
> you all out and take it all down.
>
> Deer eyes in the headlights.
>
> Bluff called.
>
> Cut the cable, took down top section.  Grandpa comes out.  "Sorry we 
> weren't
>
> reliable sir, I told you it would take about a week but I don't want to
> cause you anymore pain."
>
> "Uh, uh, uh..."  He says.
>
> Sawsall.  Last section.  "Josh, can you go get me the power injector and
> power supply?"  Okay...
>
> In and out.
>
> YOU'RE FIRED!
>
> I'm working on a clause in our terms of service concerning "Unreasonable
> Customers".  From now on, I reserve the right to fire unreasonable
> customers.
>
> The t

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Fiasco Followup

[Jason Bailey]

They have been monitoring wisp "chatter" for years!!:)

--- On Tue, 4/13/10, Brian Webster  wrote:


From: Brian Webster 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Fiasco Followup
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 8:23 PM


Big brother (my friend at the NTIA) should be subscribed to this list now
:-)



Thank You,
Brian Webster


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Bailey
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Fiasco Followup

Big Brother is listening...S!  lol:)

--- On Tue, 4/13/10, Matt Larsen - Lists  wrote:


From: Matt Larsen - Lists 
Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Fiasco Followup
To: "WISPA General List" , nnsq...@nnsquad.org, "Telecom
Regulation & the Internet" 
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 6:50 PM


Apparently my tirade about broadband mapping reached a few ears in 
Washington, as the NE PSC called me this afternoon to let me know that 
the NTIA is willing to accept shape files and is willing to relax some 
of the data requirements in order to get fuller representation from 
WISPs.    Making ourselves heard and showing a willingness to be part of 
the solution is the first step to getting better results.


Here is a copy of the email that I sent to the Nebraska PSC today with 
my followup comments.   Other commentary and discussion regarding this 
is available at Wireless Cowboys http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


I am writing with further comments and concerns about the Nebraska 
Broadband Mapping Initiative. After participating in the conference call 
about the mapping program yesterday, I was left with several concerns.

My first concern is about the accuracy of the data that will be 
collected. The number of providers that have not responded to the NDA 
request and/or the data request is very high, and that means that there 
will be substantial inaccuracies in the final dataset that will make the 
final results of the project flawed. A dataset that only includes 20-50% 
of the total data needed could lead to policy decisions that could have 
an adverse affect on the smaller providers that cover otherwise unserved 
areas by encouraging government supported overbuilds. This would be 
wasteful of taxpayer money and could put many of the smaller providers 
out of business, causing a net loss of jobs and the loss of broadband 
service to customers of those smaller providers. It is critical that 
most if not all of the broadband providers in the state be represented 
in this project. The attitude that the state contractor appears to have 
is that non respondents will simply not be included. I would hope that 
this attitude will change to be more inclusive of the smaller, 
non-wireline providers who do not have the ability to generate the 
requested data easily.

My second concern is about the data that is being requested. The data 
request template is asking for a lot of data that I don't feel 
comfortable divulging to any outside entities, including customer 
addresses, GPS coordinates and frequencies used on our towers and the 
anchor institutions that we serve. Many of the other WISPs that I work 
with are also not comfortable turning this information over to an 
outside party, even with the NDA. After several discussions with other 
experts in the mapping and data collection field, I have come to the 
conclusion that the mapping requirements would be effectively served by 
delivering the GIS shape files of our coverage areas along with a 
summary of subscribers in each census block. I have already delivered 
the requested shape files showing our coverage, and am working toward 
the census block summaries. If the data requirements could be adjusted 
so that this information would be suitable, I believe that you would get 
more response from the smaller providers.

My third concern is about the cost for smaller, non-wireline providers 
to collect the data. While most wireline providers already have shape 
files and geocoding information already collected and available, many 
wireless providers do not have this information readily available and do 
not have the tools or technical knowledge to get this information 
collected within the requested time frame. Committing man hours to do 
this in-house or bring in outside assistance places an undue financial 
burden on providers that are often self-funded and would prefer to 
invest that money into their networks. The grant was given to the PSC, 
not the providers, and yet we are being asked to spend our time and 
money to get this information together. Coming up with a way to help 
provide the manpower and financial assistance necessary to collect this 
information would provide a win-win situation for the providers and the 
PSC and increase the amount of data collected.

Finally, I believe that more effective outreach c

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Fiasco Followup

[Jason Bailey]

Big Brother is listening...S!  lol:)

--- On Tue, 4/13/10, Matt Larsen - Lists  wrote:


From: Matt Larsen - Lists 
Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Fiasco Followup
To: "WISPA General List" , nnsq...@nnsquad.org, "Telecom 
Regulation & the Internet" 
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 6:50 PM


Apparently my tirade about broadband mapping reached a few ears in 
Washington, as the NE PSC called me this afternoon to let me know that 
the NTIA is willing to accept shape files and is willing to relax some 
of the data requirements in order to get fuller representation from 
WISPs.    Making ourselves heard and showing a willingness to be part of 
the solution is the first step to getting better results.


Here is a copy of the email that I sent to the Nebraska PSC today with 
my followup comments.   Other commentary and discussion regarding this 
is available at Wireless Cowboys http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


I am writing with further comments and concerns about the Nebraska 
Broadband Mapping Initiative. After participating in the conference call 
about the mapping program yesterday, I was left with several concerns.

My first concern is about the accuracy of the data that will be 
collected. The number of providers that have not responded to the NDA 
request and/or the data request is very high, and that means that there 
will be substantial inaccuracies in the final dataset that will make the 
final results of the project flawed. A dataset that only includes 20-50% 
of the total data needed could lead to policy decisions that could have 
an adverse affect on the smaller providers that cover otherwise unserved 
areas by encouraging government supported overbuilds. This would be 
wasteful of taxpayer money and could put many of the smaller providers 
out of business, causing a net loss of jobs and the loss of broadband 
service to customers of those smaller providers. It is critical that 
most if not all of the broadband providers in the state be represented 
in this project. The attitude that the state contractor appears to have 
is that non respondents will simply not be included. I would hope that 
this attitude will change to be more inclusive of the smaller, 
non-wireline providers who do not have the ability to generate the 
requested data easily.

My second concern is about the data that is being requested. The data 
request template is asking for a lot of data that I don't feel 
comfortable divulging to any outside entities, including customer 
addresses, GPS coordinates and frequencies used on our towers and the 
anchor institutions that we serve. Many of the other WISPs that I work 
with are also not comfortable turning this information over to an 
outside party, even with the NDA. After several discussions with other 
experts in the mapping and data collection field, I have come to the 
conclusion that the mapping requirements would be effectively served by 
delivering the GIS shape files of our coverage areas along with a 
summary of subscribers in each census block. I have already delivered 
the requested shape files showing our coverage, and am working toward 
the census block summaries. If the data requirements could be adjusted 
so that this information would be suitable, I believe that you would get 
more response from the smaller providers.

My third concern is about the cost for smaller, non-wireline providers 
to collect the data. While most wireline providers already have shape 
files and geocoding information already collected and available, many 
wireless providers do not have this information readily available and do 
not have the tools or technical knowledge to get this information 
collected within the requested time frame. Committing man hours to do 
this in-house or bring in outside assistance places an undue financial 
burden on providers that are often self-funded and would prefer to 
invest that money into their networks. The grant was given to the PSC, 
not the providers, and yet we are being asked to spend our time and 
money to get this information together. Coming up with a way to help 
provide the manpower and financial assistance necessary to collect this 
information would provide a win-win situation for the providers and the 
PSC and increase the amount of data collected.

Finally, I believe that more effective outreach could be established 
with the providers so that the comfort level is higher. Sending an email 
with a large data request and a short deadline for response is not going 
to be received well. A series of emails with detailed explanations of 
the program's purposes and benefits to providers, an intelligently 
designed website with progress reports and followup phone calls to the 
providers who have not returned the information would go over much 
better. WISPs have not been required to collect this information up to 
this point and there is no mandate for its collection, so it makes sense 
to build up a positive relationship rather 

Re: [WISPA] Building Heights?

[Jason Bailey]

WOW!!! what pain this will save..What other things will they come up with 
before taking over the planet?

--- On Tue, 3/30/10, Josh Luthman  wrote:


From: Josh Luthman 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Building Heights?
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 2:58 PM


Hopefully this does not disrupt the space-time continuum.

http://tinyurl.com/5wf7s4

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Mike  wrote:

> Hey, I like that.  How did you do that?
>
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:36 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Building Heights?
>
> LinkPlanner
> http://tinyurl.com/ygt43e4
>
> Wispmon
> http://tinyurl.com/yl427nd
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
> that counts."
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Forbes Mercy
> wrote:
>
> > Could I get the actual URL on
> >
> > LinkPlanner
> > and
> > WispMon
> >
> >
> > On 3/30/2010 8:07 AM, jp wrote:
> > > Use the profiler on here:
> > > http://www.heywhatsthat.com/
> > >
> > > The website author made it usable for wireless for us. He'll do custom
> > > sites that show only your tower locations too if you want.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 04:42:27PM -0700, Forbes Mercy wrote:
> > >
> > >> Wouldn't it be cool if when using Google Earth you could draw a
> straight
> > >> line between two points and it would calculate the altitude of each
> > >> origin point then mark in red any place where altitude is higher than
> > >> the beginning and end points along the line?  For long legs in mixed
> > >> altitude areas that would really be nice.
> > >>
> > >> Forbes
> > >>
> > >> On 3/29/2010 1:12 PM, Jim Patient wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Well, it prolly isn't good every place but I just selected 3d
> buildings
> > >>> on google earth and drug my mouse from the street to top of Met
> Square
> > >>> in St Louis.  It shows the elevation at street level and the top of
> the
> > >>> building.
> > >>> The difference is the elevation of the building height in this case.
> > >>>
> > >>> Jim
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 3/29/2010 2:03 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >  Not for free. This info is usually pretty expensive for good high
> res
> >  data. That being said, one interesting flaw in the SRTM data is that
> > is
> >  contains "building canopy" within the data. The radar they used
> > bounced
> >  off man made structures and make them appear to be part of the
> > terrain.
> >  So, in big cities, or even small ones in core areas, if you are
> > running
> >  propagation plots, you would not want to add additional building
> >  heights. If you want the most accurate results, I suggest 10m DEM's
> >  (where available) with a good set of building elevation data (the
> >  expensive stuff). If you are just looking to run propagation plots
> for
> >  your unlicensed network, The SRTM data is probably good enough.
> > 
> >  Cameron
> > 
> >  On 3/29/2010 12:07 PM, Charles Hooper wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Does anyone know a reliable source/method of getting building
> > heights?
> > > Something like a topographical map that included buildings would be
> > > excellent, but I haven't been able to find anything like this.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > Charles
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL

[Jason Bailey]

Hmmm,good point,I guess it works both ways,I think it is that way 
everywhere.Not sure what market Bob is working,I guess it depends if he has 
competition.Either way,well put Rick..One must remember to look at both 
sides!

--- On Thu, 3/25/10, RickG  wrote:


From: RickG 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with 
$15 DSL
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 10:29 PM


Around here they would call and say "cancel my account, you're
internet is slow and I switched to DSL or cable". And then I'd say but
you can have faster if you buy our... . No
second chances around here. Give them speed and reliability or they
switch in a heartbeat. I just picked up a bunch of subs because
Windstream DSL is slow and unreliaible. They need to replace the 100+
year old lines. Windstream even offered free months etc. Everyone that
can get our service switched without hesitation even with a $200
install fee.

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Jason Bailey  wrote:
> Bob,what a great tool!When grandma comes in and says..Facebook is running so 
> slow???Well,for customers such as yourself,we offer this High-Speed 
> option,let me tell you about it,and btwyou can set-up recurring payments 
> to make your life easier!!!Were here to help you
>
> --- On Thu, 3/25/10, RickG  wrote:
>
>
> From: RickG 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete 
> with $15 DSL
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 9:36 PM
>
>
> Bob,
>
> Not putting you down but it depends on your circumstances. If you want
> "walk-in" traffic and to spend time on a $5.99/month account then
> great. For me, I'd rather work on high dollar accounts. What works for
> some, may not work for others. Thats what makes the world go round!
>
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Patrick Leary  wrote:
>> Love it. Good stuff and very savvy.
>>
>>
>> Patrick Leary
>> Aperto Networks
>> 813.426.4230 mobile
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Robert West
>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:20 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete 
>> with $15 DSL
>>
>> We've been selling a "loss leader" dial up service for $5.99 for 10 years 
>> now.  We don't lose anything and only make a couple of bucks per user but we 
>> get the payback on the backend.  The 5.99 service, they have to come into 
>> our retail store to sign up for it and to pay the bill.  No online or phone 
>> payments.  Made a lot of customers that way who give us cash for other 
>> services since they have to see us anyway.  We still have over 200 dial up 
>> customers and every month those 200 have to come in and see our smiling 
>> faces.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:51 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete 
>> with $15 DSL
>>
>> I'm sure they dont. For me, I dont pay attention to the cheap advertised 
>> prices. For others, I suspect that what they do is compare pricing and get a 
>> relative feeling for a benchmark. Of course, they also compare features & 
>> benefits then choose the laptop that fits their needs and/or budget. With 
>> all due respect, I dont see much correlation between internet service 
>> (monthly service) and purchasing a laptop (one time purchase). I tried to 
>> offer a low, loss leader a while back as a test and the ones who took it 
>> never upgraded. I dont see any reason to offer it but then I'm fortunate not 
>> to have any competition.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Robert West  
>> wrote:
>>> A very well known example..
>>>
>>> Dell.
>>>
>>> Dell advertises $400.00 systems and laptops.  Anyone here ever end up
>>> with one at the advertised price?  Probably not many.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Robert West
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:55 AM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to
>>> compete with $15 DSL
>&

Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

[Jason Bailey]

As a ham,i will say Dayton rocks,There are all kinds of deals a ham or wisp can 
love!!!Just be sure you have cash and alot of time on your hands!

--- On Thu, 3/25/10, Josh Luthman  wrote:


From: Josh Luthman 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 10:27 PM


I've never been because it's so close.  I may end up going this year.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
continue that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill



On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:18 PM, RickG  wrote:
> OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in
> May. Anyone else going?
> -RickG
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL

[Jason Bailey]

Bob,what a great tool!When grandma comes in and says..Facebook is running so 
slow???Well,for customers such as yourself,we offer this High-Speed option,let 
me tell you about it,and btwyou can set-up recurring payments to make your 
life easier!!!Were here to help you

--- On Thu, 3/25/10, RickG  wrote:


From: RickG 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with 
$15 DSL
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 9:36 PM


Bob,

Not putting you down but it depends on your circumstances. If you want
"walk-in" traffic and to spend time on a $5.99/month account then
great. For me, I'd rather work on high dollar accounts. What works for
some, may not work for others. Thats what makes the world go round!

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Patrick Leary  wrote:
> Love it. Good stuff and very savvy.
>
>
> Patrick Leary
> Aperto Networks
> 813.426.4230 mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:20 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete 
> with $15 DSL
>
> We've been selling a "loss leader" dial up service for $5.99 for 10 years 
> now.  We don't lose anything and only make a couple of bucks per user but we 
> get the payback on the backend.  The 5.99 service, they have to come into our 
> retail store to sign up for it and to pay the bill.  No online or phone 
> payments.  Made a lot of customers that way who give us cash for other 
> services since they have to see us anyway.  We still have over 200 dial up 
> customers and every month those 200 have to come in and see our smiling faces.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:51 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete 
> with $15 DSL
>
> I'm sure they dont. For me, I dont pay attention to the cheap advertised 
> prices. For others, I suspect that what they do is compare pricing and get a 
> relative feeling for a benchmark. Of course, they also compare features & 
> benefits then choose the laptop that fits their needs and/or budget. With all 
> due respect, I dont see much correlation between internet service (monthly 
> service) and purchasing a laptop (one time purchase). I tried to offer a low, 
> loss leader a while back as a test and the ones who took it never upgraded. I 
> dont see any reason to offer it but then I'm fortunate not to have any 
> competition.
>
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Robert West  
> wrote:
>> A very well known example..
>>
>> Dell.
>>
>> Dell advertises $400.00 systems and laptops.  Anyone here ever end up
>> with one at the advertised price?  Probably not many.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Robert West
>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:55 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to
>> compete with $15 DSL
>>
>> We start at 29 bucks.  The way I think, you always need the "bait" to
> bring
>> them in, such as a low price.  It's all sales after that.  Bump up to
>> a higher tier, equipment insurance, service call plan...  etc.  On the
>> face
> of
>> it, we look very inexpensive but the customer almost always elects to
>> upgrade or add on something.  My favorite is a customer who calls
>> about
> the
>> $29.00 plan but ends up asking "Do you have anything faster?"  (Big
>> Smile)
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:21 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to
>> compete with $15 DSL
>>
>> But what is your ARPU?
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have packages starting at $29.95/month and I'm quite profitable...
>>> have been for over 12 years now... :)
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>> RickG wrote:
 Bob,

 We do the same here. Day one ROI upon installation. Not having any
 problems getting customers,  In fact, we're growing faster than we
 ever have. Of course, there is a lot more to the cost of operating
 than just ROI upon install. Our lowest plan is $49.99/month. Which
 is the reason I responded to Jayson's post:

 Jayson Baker  wrote:
 "$24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps.  $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps.
 We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed"

 I'm always game to learn something. Every business model I've ever
 done only shows profit at $50/month ARPU. I'm just wondering if &
 where I'm going wrong.

Re: [WISPA] Tower Mounts

[Jason Bailey]

Save some money and go tessco,or a local fab shop?Been dealing with tessco for 
over 10 years and very happy!

--- On Fri, 3/19/10, lakel...@gbcx.net  wrote:


From: lakel...@gbcx.net 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Mounts
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 9:18 PM


www.sitepro1.com
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Michael Baird 
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:48:22 
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Tower Mounts

We are planning on opening up a few new towers and will have limited 
space vertically, I'm looking for a source for sidearms to mount my 
sector antennas on. The new towers are A-Frames, and I need to extend 
out from the tower probably at 2'-3' away. I'd like to hear what others 
use for this sort of thing and what vendors I can look to for products 
to fit our needs.

Regards
Michael Baird



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Re: [WISPA] NPR Story on FCC Broadband Plan and Internet Access in Trinity County California

[Jason Bailey]

As much as i hate to admit it...We still service/install hughesnet and idirect 
sat services.If I can help you i will,been at it almost 12 years.

--- On Tue, 3/16/10, Tim Sylvester  wrote:


From: Tim Sylvester 
Subject: [WISPA] NPR Story on FCC Broadband Plan and Internet Access in Trinity 
County California
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 6:52 PM


On Monday, NPR aired a story on the FCC Broadband Plan and Internet access
in Trinity County California. The story by Laura Sydell was in anticipation
of the FCC Broadband Plan today and profiled Trinity County, a rural county
in northern California.

You can read/listen to the story at:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124703744

I have a few technical/business questions for the group.

The story talks about Brunt Ranch Elementary School with 92 students that
paid $50,000 for a satellite Internet connection. The school is not happy
with the cost and the connection does not work reliably. The school doesn't
have much money and only has 20 computers. Putting aside the questions about
who should pay for the connection and why an elementary school needs
Internet, here are my questions:

1. What type of satellite Internet connection costs $50,000?

2. Does anyone have experience deploying satellite Internet access? How much
does it cost and how reliable is the service?

3. Does anyone have experience with Hughes Networks satellite Internet
service? I exchanged e-mail with a Hughes rep and they offer 5Mbps business
class Internet service for $399/month using a .98M dish. You can pay
$28/month for 7x24 on-site service and $20/month for 5 static IP addresses.

The story also talks about ATT fiber that runs through the county but ATT
won't connect anyone in the county to the fiber. ATT claims that the fiber
is  "not engineered for local feeds." A local ISP has requested to "tap
into" the fiber to provide Internet access in the area. My questions are:

4. What does "not engineered for local feeds" mean? Is it possible that the
fiber is for a long haul connection and it would be very expensive or
impossible to connect Trinity County to the fiber? Is ATT telling the truth,
outright lying or lazy?

Finally, many people in the group have used microwave links for backhaul to
rural areas. In a worst case scenario, Trinity County might be able to
connect to fiber deployed CENIC. CENIC is a non-profit organization that
connects educational and research institutions in California. CENIC has
fiber in Corning which is 100 miles from Weaverville, the county seat for
Trinity County. My questions are:

5. What would it cost to deploy a 100 mile microwave link between Corning
and Weaverville with a minimum of 50Mbps of bandwidth but preferably 100Mbps
or 1Gbps? Yes, there are many variables but assume worst case. In general,
would this work and what is ballpark/order of magnitude pricing for this
link? Are we talking about $500K, $1M, $5M, $10M or $50M?? What is the
longest microwave link deployed by Clearwire for backhaul?

Thanks,

Tim





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Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE

[Jason Bailey]

Freedom...I'm feeding the trolls...hate to see anyone hungry?I never post this 
much,but i love watching this list and about to join $$$ with wispa.All keep it 
up...feeding the trolls!

--- On Tue, 3/16/10, Glenn Kelley  wrote:


From: Glenn Kelley 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 1:31 AM


can you name me one thing that the government has given that it has  
not first taken?

funny I keep asking - but never given an answer.


Im with you MDK


On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:20 AM, MDK wrote:

> The really big wave of mass stupidity.
>
> I can't imagine how ANYONE would want Congress's or the FCC's  
> fingers on
> ANYTHING.    There is only ONE way to ensure that things get more  
> expensive,
> cost us terribly, and work worse... and that's to put the people who  
> know
> absolutely NOTHING about real life in charge  Washington DC.
>
> Please name for me anything that Washington DC has done for us, that  
> is not
> a disaster of Biblical proportions.     You can't.    Absolutely  
> everything
> they try to do "for" us is so horrible it's beyond insane.
>
>
>
>
> ++
> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> ++
>
> --
> From: "Jack Unger" 
> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 9:26 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" ; 
> Subject: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE
>
>>
>> >  
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
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>> Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities  
>> since
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Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability

[Jason Bailey]

Good advice,Our ham radio community is very good at fox hunting(finding hidden 
transmitters)We jump quickly to find any form of interference to any of our 
public safety bands...I'm sure you have others in your area?Befriend them,they 
can be your best friend!

--- On Tue, 3/16/10, char...@knownelement.com  wrote:


From: char...@knownelement.com 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 1:23 AM


Interfering with emergency comm is a sure way to generate a very fast response 
from local law enforcement. Do it in a major metro area and the FBI shows up. 
Seize gear, ask questions later. 

Its very serious stuff and is taken quite seriously by law enforcement. 

Take the time to understand the regs and make sure you operate within them. 
That's it. 

I know many on this list strive to do so, and are anal about it. Keep it up. 




Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Jason Bailey 
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:20:02 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability

As a ran out of job by nextel moto radio tech,the problems generated can be a 
simple harmonic,but ,neverthless!most departments operate vhf analog 
systems,and cannot justify digital systems...they suck!! and are very 
expensive!!and I as a wisp know that if i were causing harmful interference to 
my local vol/paid department,my customers would understand me shutting down the 
computer ...if it meant saving a life...and this is real world stuff!!!Just 
remember one thing,,a wisp needs networking pro's...i am not one..but i am a 
real world rf guy,and the most important thing in the world is that the 
two-tone dispatch reaches our crew in time to save my house...or my 
family..Please take seriously any possible rf concerns,as they may affect 
the life of someone you may/may not knowJason

--- On Tue, 3/16/10, Blake Bowers  wrote:


From: Blake Bowers 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 12:09 AM


Having worked for a major metro EMS service, as well as a 
major metro Fire service, as well as presently being the
Chief of a rural department, and president of our local
Chiefs association, I can tell you - you are a dick.

But I digress.

Lots of volunteer fire departments out there are doing 
tremendous jobs, espically in the rural world where they
cannot afford the money to have paid people.   Saving 
property, saving lives.  

Judging from your comment about being on digital yet,
I presume you think that is the "thing".  NFPA, as well
as many other fire service groups are warning NOT to
go digital yet, at least for fireground purposes at a minimum,
due to the issues with digital vocoders.   

Have a nice day.


Don't take your organs to heaven, 
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Glenn Kelley" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability


> Being an old EMS and Fire Chief I can tell you - chances are it could  
> be their cruddy equipment.
> Its obvious they are not on digital yet...
> 
> I could tell you some really big horror stories from my EMS days ...
> Volunteer Dept's are even more fun (done both sides of the fence)
> 
> If you really want to pick his britches...
> 
> next time your there pick up the phone and dial 390
> 
> ask for a volunteer carpenter ...
> 
> then dial 829  and ask for a volunteer plumber...
> 
> finally dial 911 and ask for a volunteer Fire Fighter...
> 
> (ok bad joke)
> 
> I love the volunteers - they are what made every department I was part  
> of so great...
> without them - the departments imho are worthless...
> 
> but it sure is fun to get that volly chief all up in a tiffy !
> 
> ;-)
> 
> Now - if we could only get our equipment to push tones out - we could  
> have some real fun.. and page them any time of the day..
> 




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Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app

[Jason Bailey]

BIG surprise!!!notice near the bottom of the page..windows 7 sells 90 million 
copies already!!!get used to the extra clicks to get to things!!btw, I run a 
Blackberry,no use for iphone...just use logmein or your fav vpn and a 
laptop.Life is easy!!


--- On Tue, 3/16/10, Josh Luthman  wrote:


From: Josh Luthman 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 1:09 AM


http://www.quickpwn.com/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 1:04 AM, Jerry Richardson
wrote:

> any recommendations on the best jailbreak program?
>
> I used Backra1n and it ran fine for a couple of weeks then crashed for no
> apparent reason.
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 8:34 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
>
> Jerry,
>
> Yes you need to jailbreak.  Jailbreaking basically gives you access to
> the underlying OS rather then being tied to the pretty skined app on
> top of it.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
> continue that counts."
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
> > how do you access the shell? do I need to jailbreak ?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Mar 11, 2010, at 1:58 PM, "Sales"  wrote:
> >
> >> Hmm I just goto my iPhones command line via shell and type ssh
> >>  works like a charm.
> >>
> >> John Buwa
> >> Michiana Wireless,Inc
> >> 574-233-7170
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Mar 11, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Data Technology  wrote:
> >>
> >>> I know in the last couple of weeks there was a discussion about an
> >>> ssh
> >>> app for the iPhone.
> >>> I did not save the emails because I thought I would never need
> >>> something
> >>> like because I don't have an iPhone.
> >>>
> >>> But, I bought an iPhone last night and now I am looking for an ssh
> >>> app.
> >>>
> >>> I have found iSSH and the reviews are good about it.  I know that
> >>> $7.99
> >>> for an app is a lot of money but if this is the one to have then I
> >>> don't
> >>> mind spending the money.  This also appears to have a vnc client as
> >>> well.
> >>>
> >>> Any input as far as SSH utilities or any other iPhone apps for WISP
> >>> operations would be appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> LaRoy McCann
> >>> Data Technology
> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability

[Jason Bailey]

As a ran out of job by nextel moto radio tech,the problems generated can be a 
simple harmonic,but ,neverthless!most departments operate vhf analog 
systems,and cannot justify digital systems...they suck!! and are very 
expensive!!and I as a wisp know that if i were causing harmful interference to 
my local vol/paid department,my customers would understand me shutting down the 
computer ...if it meant saving a life...and this is real world stuff!!!Just 
remember one thing,,a wisp needs networking pro's...i am not one..but i am a 
real world rf guy,and the most important thing in the world is that the 
two-tone dispatch reaches our crew in time to save my house...or my 
family..Please take seriously any possible rf concerns,as they may affect 
the life of someone you may/may not knowJason

--- On Tue, 3/16/10, Blake Bowers  wrote:


From: Blake Bowers 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 12:09 AM


Having worked for a major metro EMS service, as well as a 
major metro Fire service, as well as presently being the
Chief of a rural department, and president of our local
Chiefs association, I can tell you - you are a dick.

But I digress.

Lots of volunteer fire departments out there are doing 
tremendous jobs, espically in the rural world where they
cannot afford the money to have paid people.   Saving 
property, saving lives.  

Judging from your comment about being on digital yet,
I presume you think that is the "thing".  NFPA, as well
as many other fire service groups are warning NOT to
go digital yet, at least for fireground purposes at a minimum,
due to the issues with digital vocoders.   

Have a nice day.


Don't take your organs to heaven, 
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Glenn Kelley" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Your experiences - RB750/RB750G Durability


> Being an old EMS and Fire Chief I can tell you - chances are it could  
> be their cruddy equipment.
> Its obvious they are not on digital yet...
> 
> I could tell you some really big horror stories from my EMS days ...
> Volunteer Dept's are even more fun (done both sides of the fence)
> 
> If you really want to pick his britches...
> 
> next time your there pick up the phone and dial 390
> 
> ask for a volunteer carpenter ...
> 
> then dial 829  and ask for a volunteer plumber...
> 
> finally dial 911 and ask for a volunteer Fire Fighter...
> 
> (ok bad joke)
> 
> I love the volunteers - they are what made every department I was part  
> of so great...
> without them - the departments imho are worthless...
> 
> but it sure is fun to get that volly chief all up in a tiffy !
> 
> ;-)
> 
> Now - if we could only get our equipment to push tones out - we could  
> have some real fun.. and page them any time of the day..
> 




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Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios

[Jason Bailey]

list of frequencys per site.anyone?

--- On Mon, 3/15/10, Randy Cosby  wrote:


From: Randy Cosby 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 12:38 PM


Ignore my question - I've been out of the office and didn't read the 
responses that already answered it.



On 3/15/2010 10:27 AM, Randy Cosby wrote:
> Excellent news.  Do you know if there is an easy way now to see where
> the TDWR radars are (for curiosity's sake)?
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 3/11/2010 3:56 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
>    
>> Randy,
>>
>> The 5 GHz equipment approval process is currently on hold at the request
>> of the FAA and the NTIA. Airport Terminal Doppler Weather Radars (TDWR)
>> operate in the 5.6 GHz range and have been experiencing interference
>> from current 5475-5725 MHz equipment. Because of this interference, a
>> new Dynamic Frequency Selection (DFS) algorithm is being developed to
>> allow newly-certified equipment to detect and avoid nearby TDWR radar
>> systems. Until the new algorithm is developed and the FCC certification
>> process re-started, there will be no new outdoor 5.4 equipment certified.
>>
>> To allow recertifications to restart before the new algorithm is
>> developed and implemented, the wireless industry has been meeting with
>> the FCC, FAA and NTIA. The FAA and NTIA agreed to allow 5 GHz outdoor
>> equipment certifications to be restarted if the industry would provide a
>> database that allowed an operator to a) See if their outdoor base
>> stations are within 35 km of one of the airport TDWR sites, and b) If
>> within 35 km, voluntarily register their equipment type and contact
>> information in the database. Each airport TDWR site uses one frequency.
>> Operators are requested to maintain a minimum 30-MHz center-to-center
>> frequency separation away from the single frequency used by the
>> neighboring TDWR.
>>
>> If/when TDWR interference does occurs, the voluntary database should
>> help the FCC to contact the operator of the equipment that may be
>> causing the interference and request a frequency change or request that
>> the one nearby TDWR frequency be excluded from the DFS channel search list.
>>
>> Once the new TDWR-aware algorithm is ready for incorporation into new 5
>> GHz equipment, this database is expected to slowly become obsolete as
>> the older equipment is retired.
>>
>> WISPA's FCC Committee is working with the industry group (Motorola,
>> Cisco, Atheros, Intel, etc.) as well as with the FCC, FAA and NTIA to
>> help find a solution to this TDWR-interference problem. We'll provide
>> more information when significant developments occur.
>>
>> Jack Unger
>> WISPA FCC Committee Chair
>> 818-227-4220
>>
>>
>> Randy Cosby wrote:
>>
>>      
>>> I'm trying to compile a list of options for FCC certified 5.4 ptp radios
>>> for short backhaul links.  Off the top of my head, I can remember:
>>>
>>> Tranzeo TR-5A
>>> Trango TrangoLINK-45
>>> Radwin 2000 (has mimo as well)
>>> Motorola PTP 100, 200, 300, 500, 600
>>>
>>> Any others I'm not aware of?  Sure would be nice to see more mimo/N
>>> radios certified in 5.4.  Anyone working through the approval process
>>> (ligowave?).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>>
>>      
>    

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