Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Matt Hoppes via Wireless]

"Almost all of our attendees and vendors are interested in continuing 
the show, which means the show will go on. We have made significant 
financial and operational commitments in reliance on attendee which has 
not waned. Out of an abundance of caution we have put in place many 
safety protocols to minimize the likelihood of COVID-19 and/or other 
infectious disease transmission.

Since the show is continuing, we must stick to our stated policies of 
not offering refunds. We have already made financial and operational 
commitments in reliance on your participation in the show, and that 
means we have to stick to our policies. I hope you can understand."


INTERPRETATION:  WISPA can not cancel this show no matter what, because 
we need the income to pay for the show, which is already reserved.We 
most likely don't have event insurance either.  So while we understand 
your concerns, we are extremely sorry but there's just no way we can 
refund your money and we are going to expose everyone who comes to an 
ever increasing risk.   Please understand, money comes before safety.

On 3/11/20 4:25 PM, jerry bickle wrote:
> Trina, can you let us know the WISPA’s position of refunding conference 
> fees?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jerry Bickle
> 
> President
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Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Matt Hoppes via Wireless]

Attending the conference sends a strong message that we are selfish and 
don't care about anyone but ourselves.

  We have a duty to social distance now - for our elderly, for your 
healthcare providers, for every neighbor who may need a hospital bed. 
Doing your part to slow the spread is showing love and respect to us all.

A key reason to social distance now is to flatten out the peak of the 
pandemic. If we all get sick at the same time, many more die. Italy 
shows nearly 50 percent of cases needing hospitalization. We have to 
slow this down enough to allow any that get it to have a decent shot at 
a hospital bed and care. Not just that! We must slow it down so that any 
of our neighbors with ANY ailment has a hospital bed available. Those 
other ailments don't stop just because of this pandemic.

The longer we can slow the spread, the more we learn about what works 
against it. It's more time to get drugs and treatments. More time to 
potential develope a vaccine. This may become an endemic and we are not 
going to isolate forever. There may be a time when we all go out, but 
bow instead of shaking hands. Maybe wearing masks or gloves.

We will find a way to be the free, fearless people we want to be. But 
first we must slow the exponential growth, support our healthcare 
providers by giving them less patients at once, support our neighbors 
when they have milder cases at home, and respect one another by doing 
our part to avoid spreading this virus.

Please consider what you can do to show everyone love and respect by 
being cautious. No matter the personal risk to you, your neighbor needs 
you.

On 3/11/20 3:27 PM, Keefe John via Wireless wrote:
> "The WISP industry is a strong and resilient one. We’re dedicated and 
> fearless. Attending WISPAMERICA sends a strong signal to others in the 
> communications industry, policymakers and your communities that you will 
> remain strong even in light of the day’s loud and oftentimes distracting 
> news coverage and circumstances. The novel coronavirus is not to be 
> sniffed at, but its risks are manageable – WISPs will not let these 
> events paralyze their service to customers and the community at large."
> 
> 
> Keefe John
> CEO
> Ethoplex
> Direct: 262.345.5200
> 
> Ethoplex Business Internet
> http://www.ethoplex.com/
> Signal Residential Internet
> http://www.signalisp.com/
> 
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:09 PM Josh Luthman 
> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0Hvia4VtxJ1AjJZaTv40aive3k79kdTmOfjt_vGkGz7o4XuY4ZnRO02-Y#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
> 
> 
> image.png
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Sean Heskett  > wrote:
> 
> https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Sean Heskett  > wrote:
> 
> I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be
> canceled for the safety of everyone.
> 
> Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to
> pull out.
> 
> I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I
> think we should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t
> suffer financially.  We need WISPA and our members to be
> healthy and strong both physically and financially.
> 
> 
> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
> 
> https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> -Sean
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Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

[Matt Hoppes]

Well that’s what I mean. I need to look at everything when we go to make our 
change. 

Just looking at the surface it’s like $58/month. 

If it’s several hundred I’ll probably move everything. 

I do like the simplicity of stripe and the app makes it very easy to see what’s 
going on. 

> On Feb 3, 2018, at 20:05, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> 30c per transaction too.  Which is ironic that you're not complaining about ;P
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2018 8:01 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  
>> wrote:
>> 2.6% vs 2.9%. 
>> 
>> Plus stripe doesn’t have 10,000 fees
>> 
>> Compliance fees
>> Government fees
>> PCI fees
>> Parking lot restriping fees
>> 
>> We are about to re do our entire billing system. I’ll run the numbers and 
>> let you know. 
>> 
>> It appears to be a difference of about $58 per month that using stripe costs 
>> me. 
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 19:48, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Depends how much revenue you do.  The difference of what I'm paying versus 
>>> what the website said would be for me.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 3, 2018 7:47 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Josh. Stripe isn’t that much more than ippay
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 19:18, Artie Darrell  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matt sorry trying to catch up on this (long) thread.. What's your 
>>>>> recommendation? 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2018 8:11 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> Takes two minutes to setup. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Very easy to review info from their app. Web interface is very easy to 
>>>>>> use. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 19:04, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In what way would Stripe be better? I like at people that use Stripe 
>>>>>>> like the people that get their automotive parts from Walmart. Yeah, you 
>>>>>>> could, but...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 11:54:07 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Exactly. Stripe has very very nice records of every thing. Very user 
>>>>>>> friendly web and app. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> IPpay is like the Big Mac truck in Africa from 1985. Yeah. It does its 
>>>>>>> job. But it’s not pretty. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Stripe is like the hot new Tesla pickup. Maybe it costs just a tad 
>>>>>>> more. But it’s way better, IMHO. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 12:37, Jeff Evans  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> CTI (IP Pay) is generally not flexible and not all that ISP friendly 
>>>>>>> IMHO.  Although I do use IP PAY integrated with VISP and have no issues 
>>>>>>> with it other than what you describe in looking up transactions.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 11:46 AM, ralph wrote:
>>>>>>> I will tell you my issue with IP Pay.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We aren’t large. Our network runs like a giant Hotspot and most 
>>>>>>> customers pay monthly when their time runs out.. Our billing 
>>>>>>> solution(WiFiRush)  uses Authorize.net. Authorize.net sends a payment 
>>>>>>> receipt with transaction number, etc. to the Email ad

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

[Matt Hoppes]

2.6% vs 2.9%. 

Plus stripe doesn’t have 10,000 fees

Compliance fees
Government fees
PCI fees
Parking lot restriping fees

We are about to re do our entire billing system. I’ll run the numbers and let 
you know. 

It appears to be a difference of about $58 per month that using stripe costs 
me. 

> On Feb 3, 2018, at 19:48, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Depends how much revenue you do.  The difference of what I'm paying versus 
> what the website said would be for me.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2018 7:47 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  
>> wrote:
>> Josh. Stripe isn’t that much more than ippay
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 19:18, Artie Darrell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Matt sorry trying to catch up on this (long) thread.. What's your 
>>> recommendation? 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 3, 2018 8:11 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Takes two minutes to setup. 
>>>> 
>>>>  Very easy to review info from their app. Web interface is very easy to 
>>>> use. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 19:04, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> In what way would Stripe be better? I like at people that use Stripe like 
>>>>> the people that get their automotive parts from Walmart. Yeah, you could, 
>>>>> but...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> 
>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Brothers WISP
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 11:54:07 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>>>> 
>>>>> Exactly. Stripe has very very nice records of every thing. Very user 
>>>>> friendly web and app. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> IPpay is like the Big Mac truck in Africa from 1985. Yeah. It does its 
>>>>> job. But it’s not pretty. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Stripe is like the hot new Tesla pickup. Maybe it costs just a tad more. 
>>>>> But it’s way better, IMHO. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 12:37, Jeff Evans  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> CTI (IP Pay) is generally not flexible and not all that ISP friendly 
>>>>> IMHO.  Although I do use IP PAY integrated with VISP and have no issues 
>>>>> with it other than what you describe in looking up transactions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2/3/2018 11:46 AM, ralph wrote:
>>>>> I will tell you my issue with IP Pay.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> We aren’t large. Our network runs like a giant Hotspot and most customers 
>>>>> pay monthly when their time runs out.. Our billing solution(WiFiRush)  
>>>>> uses Authorize.net. Authorize.net sends a payment receipt 
>>>>> with transaction number, etc. to the Email address the customer provides. 
>>>>>  I also receive a copy, which is automatically sent to a folder that is 
>>>>> only used in case there is a catastrophic failure of something and all 
>>>>> billing records get lost.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> IP Pay is inflexible and refuses to do that. They want my system to send 
>>>>> the receipt to the customer, which it does not.  They also say that I 
>>>>> must manually look up records of any past transactions in their web site. 
>>>>>  This is cumbersome and (for me) it is much easier to search for the 
>>>>> customer name in my backup receipts that were Emailed. I seldom need them 
>>>>> but it is good to know they are there.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> I once almost started using them but this issue stopped the show.  
>>>>> Unfortunately they started billing me a monthly fee even though I never 
>>>>> officially started using them and never processed any transactions at 
>>>>> all.  It was a lot of difficulty to make them stop charging me.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
&

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

[Matt Hoppes]

Josh. Stripe isn’t that much more than ippay

> On Feb 3, 2018, at 19:18, Artie Darrell  wrote:
> 
> Matt sorry trying to catch up on this (long) thread.. What's your 
> recommendation? 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2018 8:11 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  
>> wrote:
>> Takes two minutes to setup. 
>> 
>>  Very easy to review info from their app. Web interface is very easy to use. 
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 19:04, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> In what way would Stripe be better? I like at people that use Stripe like 
>>> the people that get their automotive parts from Walmart. Yeah, you could, 
>>> but...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP
>>> 
>>> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 11:54:07 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>> 
>>> Exactly. Stripe has very very nice records of every thing. Very user 
>>> friendly web and app. 
>>> 
>>> IPpay is like the Big Mac truck in Africa from 1985. Yeah. It does its job. 
>>> But it’s not pretty. 
>>> 
>>> Stripe is like the hot new Tesla pickup. Maybe it costs just a tad more. 
>>> But it’s way better, IMHO. 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 12:37, Jeff Evans  wrote:
>>> 
>>> CTI (IP Pay) is generally not flexible and not all that ISP friendly IMHO.  
>>> Although I do use IP PAY integrated with VISP and have no issues with it 
>>> other than what you describe in looking up transactions.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> On 2/3/2018 11:46 AM, ralph wrote:
>>> I will tell you my issue with IP Pay.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> We aren’t large. Our network runs like a giant Hotspot and most customers 
>>> pay monthly when their time runs out.. Our billing solution(WiFiRush)  uses 
>>> Authorize.net. Authorize.net sends a payment receipt with transaction 
>>> number, etc. to the Email address the customer provides.  I also receive a 
>>> copy, which is automatically sent to a folder that is only used in case 
>>> there is a catastrophic failure of something and all billing records get 
>>> lost.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> IP Pay is inflexible and refuses to do that. They want my system to send 
>>> the receipt to the customer, which it does not.  They also say that I must 
>>> manually look up records of any past transactions in their web site.  This 
>>> is cumbersome and (for me) it is much easier to search for the customer 
>>> name in my backup receipts that were Emailed. I seldom need them but it is 
>>> good to know they are there.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I once almost started using them but this issue stopped the show.  
>>> Unfortunately they started billing me a monthly fee even though I never 
>>> officially started using them and never processed any transactions at all.  
>>> It was a lot of difficulty to make them stop charging me.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> If they would simply send the receipts, like Authorize.net does, I would 
>>> probably switch to them since they are supposedly “ISP Friendly”. I can’t 
>>> believe this is not an option of theirs!
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Ralph
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org   
>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:01 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I think you need to re-visit IP Pay, Propay, etc. for current quotes. 
>>> Stripe absolutely is more expensive.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "Josh Richesin" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:25:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>> 
>>> Agreed!
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Josh Richesin
>>> 
>&

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

[Matt Hoppes]

Takes two minutes to setup. 

 Very easy to review info from their app. Web interface is very easy to use. 

> On Feb 3, 2018, at 19:04, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> In what way would Stripe be better? I like at people that use Stripe like the 
> people that get their automotive parts from Walmart. Yeah, you could, but...
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 11:54:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
> 
> Exactly. Stripe has very very nice records of every thing. Very user friendly 
> web and app. 
> 
> IPpay is like the Big Mac truck in Africa from 1985. Yeah. It does its job. 
> But it’s not pretty. 
> 
> Stripe is like the hot new Tesla pickup. Maybe it costs just a tad more. But 
> it’s way better, IMHO. 
> 
> On Feb 3, 2018, at 12:37, Jeff Evans  wrote:
> 
> CTI (IP Pay) is generally not flexible and not all that ISP friendly IMHO.  
> Although I do use IP PAY integrated with VISP and have no issues with it 
> other than what you describe in looking up transactions.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> On 2/3/2018 11:46 AM, ralph wrote:
> I will tell you my issue with IP Pay.
>  
> We aren’t large. Our network runs like a giant Hotspot and most customers pay 
> monthly when their time runs out.. Our billing solution(WiFiRush)  uses 
> Authorize.net. Authorize.net sends a payment receipt with transaction number, 
> etc. to the Email address the customer provides.  I also receive a copy, 
> which is automatically sent to a folder that is only used in case there is a 
> catastrophic failure of something and all billing records get lost.
>  
> IP Pay is inflexible and refuses to do that. They want my system to send the 
> receipt to the customer, which it does not.  They also say that I must 
> manually look up records of any past transactions in their web site.  This is 
> cumbersome and (for me) it is much easier to search for the customer name in 
> my backup receipts that were Emailed. I seldom need them but it is good to 
> know they are there.
>  
> I once almost started using them but this issue stopped the show.  
> Unfortunately they started billing me a monthly fee even though I never 
> officially started using them and never processed any transactions at all.  
> It was a lot of difficulty to make them stop charging me.
>  
> If they would simply send the receipts, like Authorize.net does, I would 
> probably switch to them since they are supposedly “ISP Friendly”. I can’t 
> believe this is not an option of theirs!
>  
> Ralph
>  
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:01 AM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>  
> I think you need to re-visit IP Pay, Propay, etc. for current quotes. Stripe 
> absolutely is more expensive.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> From: "Josh Richesin" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:25:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
> 
> Agreed!
>  
>  
> Josh Richesin
> Phone: (541) 699-0030  |  Fax (541) 526-0988
> j...@surelinebroadband.com
> www.surelinebroadband.com
> 596 SW 4th Street  |  Mail: 380 SW 5th Street
> Madras, OR 97741
>  
>  
> From:  on behalf of Brett A Mansfield 
> 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>  
> Still lower than the quotes I got from all the others. Plus, it’s easier to 
> configure, manage, use, etc.
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
> On Jan 17, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Only 50% higher, geez.
> 
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett  
> wrote:
> Stripe's published pricing is way above the ISP-focused providers.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 3:56:49 PM
> 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
> 
> I pay less with Stripe than I would with all of those. Plus, stipe includes 
> free ACH now.
>

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

[Matt Hoppes]

Exactly. Stripe has very very nice records of every thing. Very user friendly 
web and app. 

IPpay is like the Big Mac truck in Africa from 1985. Yeah. It does its job. But 
it’s not pretty. 

Stripe is like the hot new Tesla pickup. Maybe it costs just a tad more. But 
it’s way better, IMHO. 

> On Feb 3, 2018, at 12:37, Jeff Evans  wrote:
> 
> CTI (IP Pay) is generally not flexible and not all that ISP friendly IMHO.  
> Although I do use IP PAY integrated with VISP and have no issues with it 
> other than what you describe in looking up transactions.
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On 2/3/2018 11:46 AM, ralph wrote:
>> I will tell you my issue with IP Pay.
>>  
>> We aren’t large. Our network runs like a giant Hotspot and most customers 
>> pay monthly when their time runs out.. Our billing solution(WiFiRush)  uses 
>> Authorize.net. Authorize.net sends a payment receipt with transaction 
>> number, etc. to the Email address the customer provides.  I also receive a 
>> copy, which is automatically sent to a folder that is only used in case 
>> there is a catastrophic failure of something and all billing records get 
>> lost.
>>  
>> IP Pay is inflexible and refuses to do that. They want my system to send the 
>> receipt to the customer, which it does not.  They also say that I must 
>> manually look up records of any past transactions in their web site.  This 
>> is cumbersome and (for me) it is much easier to search for the customer name 
>> in my backup receipts that were Emailed. I seldom need them but it is good 
>> to know they are there.
>>  
>> I once almost started using them but this issue stopped the show.  
>> Unfortunately they started billing me a monthly fee even though I never 
>> officially started using them and never processed any transactions at all.  
>> It was a lot of difficulty to make them stop charging me.
>>  
>> If they would simply send the receipts, like Authorize.net does, I would 
>> probably switch to them since they are supposedly “ISP Friendly”. I can’t 
>> believe this is not an option of theirs!
>>  
>> Ralph
>>  
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:01 AM
>> To: WISPA General List 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>  
>> I think you need to re-visit IP Pay, Propay, etc. for current quotes. Stripe 
>> absolutely is more expensive.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> From: "Josh Richesin" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:25:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>> 
>> Agreed!
>>  
>>  
>> Josh Richesin
>> Phone: (541) 699-0030  |  Fax (541) 526-0988
>> j...@surelinebroadband.com
>> www.surelinebroadband.com
>> 596 SW 4th Street  |  Mail: 380 SW 5th Street
>> Madras, OR 97741
>>  
>>  
>> From:  on behalf of Brett A Mansfield 
>> 
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM
>> To: WISPA General List 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>>  
>> Still lower than the quotes I got from all the others. Plus, it’s easier to 
>> configure, manage, use, etc.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>> 
>> On Jan 17, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Only 50% higher, geez.
>> 
>>  
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>  
>> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett  
>> wrote:
>> Stripe's published pricing is way above the ISP-focused providers.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 3:56:49 PM
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>> 
>> I pay less with Stripe than I would with all of those. Plus, stipe includes 
>> free ACH now.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>> 
>> On Jan 17, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Mike Hammett  
>>   wrote:
>> 
>> Less than IP Pay, Pro Pay, etc.? ISP-specific payment systems?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> From: "Josh Richesin" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:07:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>> 
>> Lower cost on the CC processing, also, our current system is built on that 
>> with tokens, so it would avoid us having to collect credit card information 
>> from all of the customers again.  The first point being more important than 
>> the second.
>>  
>>  
>> Josh Richesin
>> Phone: (541) 699-0030  |  Fax (541) 526-0988
>> j...@surelinebroadband.com
>> www.surelinebroadband.com
>> 596 SW 4th Street  |  Mail: 380 SW 5th Street
>> Madras, OR 97741
>>  
>>  
>> From:  on behalf of Mike Hammett 
>> 
>

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

[Matt Hoppes]

We use stripe and ippay in our network. Hands down I prefer Stripe. IPPay gets 
the job done - but it is cumbersome, not flexible and requires a root canal and 
DNA check to get setup. 

> On Feb 3, 2018, at 11:46, ralph  wrote:
> 
> I will tell you my issue with IP Pay.
>  
> We aren’t large. Our network runs like a giant Hotspot and most customers pay 
> monthly when their time runs out.. Our billing solution(WiFiRush)  uses 
> Authorize.net. Authorize.net sends a payment receipt with transaction number, 
> etc. to the Email address the customer provides.  I also receive a copy, 
> which is automatically sent to a folder that is only used in case there is a 
> catastrophic failure of something and all billing records get lost.
>  
> IP Pay is inflexible and refuses to do that. They want my system to send the 
> receipt to the customer, which it does not.  They also say that I must 
> manually look up records of any past transactions in their web site.  This is 
> cumbersome and (for me) it is much easier to search for the customer name in 
> my backup receipts that were Emailed. I seldom need them but it is good to 
> know they are there.
>  
> I once almost started using them but this issue stopped the show.  
> Unfortunately they started billing me a monthly fee even though I never 
> officially started using them and never processed any transactions at all.  
> It was a lot of difficulty to make them stop charging me.
>  
> If they would simply send the receipts, like Authorize.net does, I would 
> probably switch to them since they are supposedly “ISP Friendly”. I can’t 
> believe this is not an option of theirs!
>  
> Ralph
>  
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:01 AM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>  
> I think you need to re-visit IP Pay, Propay, etc. for current quotes. Stripe 
> absolutely is more expensive.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> From: "Josh Richesin" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:25:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
> 
> Agreed!
>  
>  
> Josh Richesin
> Phone: (541) 699-0030  |  Fax (541) 526-0988
> j...@surelinebroadband.com
> www.surelinebroadband.com
> 596 SW 4th Street  |  Mail: 380 SW 5th Street
> Madras, OR 97741
>  
>  
> From:  on behalf of Brett A Mansfield 
> 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>  
> Still lower than the quotes I got from all the others. Plus, it’s easier to 
> configure, manage, use, etc.
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
> On Jan 17, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Only 50% higher, geez.
> 
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett  
> wrote:
> Stripe's published pricing is way above the ISP-focused providers.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 3:56:49 PM
> 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
> 
> I pay less with Stripe than I would with all of those. Plus, stipe includes 
> free ACH now.
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
> On Jan 17, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Less than IP Pay, Pro Pay, etc.? ISP-specific payment systems?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> From: "Josh Richesin" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:07:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
> 
> Lower cost on the CC processing, also, our current system is built on that 
> with tokens, so it would avoid us having to collect credit card information 
> from all of the customers again.  The first point being more important than 
> the second.
>  
>  
> Josh Richesin
> Phone: (541) 699-0030  |  Fax (541) 526-0988
> j...@surelinebroadband.com
> www.surelinebroadband.com
> 596 SW 4th Street  |  Mail: 380 SW 5th Street
> Madras, OR 97741
>  
>  
> From:  on behalf of Mike Hammett 
> 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 12:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
>  
> Why would you use Stripe?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> From: "Josh Richesin" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:01:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution
> 
> If only they had stripe integration.
>  
>  
> Josh Richesin
> Phone: (541) 699-0030  |  Fax (541) 526-0988
> j...@surelinebroadband.

Re: [WISPA] W9 Needed

[Matt Hoppes]

Have I done business with you?

> On Dec 15, 2017, at 20:36, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> To who??
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2017 8:29 PM, "Alan Belvo"  wrote:
>> Greetings, We need a W-9 completed for our payments to you.  Please let me 
>> know if you have any questions.
>> 
>> 
>> You can use our bookkeeper's secure online form at 
>> https://www.singletrackbookkeeping.com/w9/
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Alan Belvo
>> ZIRKEL Wireless 
>> Internet for Northwest Colorado
>> 970-871-8500 x101  office
>> 970-846-8060  mobile
>> 866-903-4628  fax
>> www.zirkelwireless.com
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] CBRS Spectrum - PLEASE DO THIS TODAY, TOMORROW, and every day next week. It's time to ACT to save CBRS spectrum

[Matt Hoppes]

Do you really think this is going to do anything though? It's very easy to post 
something like this on Facebook, but I feel like it really doesn't have any 
actual affect.

Kind of like some of the protesters we've seen in recent months and years where 
you have to ask yourself it's great that you have an opinion but is your 
protest really doing anything.

> On Dec 6, 2017, at 09:02, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> You all screamed a month ago when the CBRS order came out and wanted to do 
> something about it.   NOW IS THE TIME, and very few of you are participating. 
>   Please follow the instructions below.   
> 
> This isn’t that difficult.  If you can’t figure it out, ask the youngest 
> person on your staff.
> 
> 
>   The FCC is laughing at us - they know they sucked all the air out of 
> the room with Network Neutrality and they intentionally timed the publication 
> and comment deadlines for CBRS to bury them in the NN controversy and the 
> holidays.   And it’s working for them.
> 
> 
> PLEASE post comments on your business and/or personal accounts on Twitter, 
> Facebook, and/or LinkedIn in support of CBRS.
> 
>  
> 1)Be part of our Twitter campaign: Take a clear picture of a rural or 
> small-town location near you that could be better served with fixed wireless 
> and CBRS spectrum. Upload it to your social media account with language like 
> the following. Be sure to tag WISPA, your Members of Congress, and the White 
> House.
> 
>  
> Please keep it professional and do not criticize any FCC commissioners or 
> other government officials; we need their support! You can identify your 
> Members of Congress by visiting www.House.gov or www.Senate.gov, and their 
> social media links will be listed on their websites.
> 
>  
> Twitter (no more than 280 characters):
> 
>  
> Dear @FCC: Here’s another area at risk of never getting broadband service if 
> you change the #CBRS rules to favor big mobile carriers. Insert rural photo 
> https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of Congress’s Twitter name here] 
> @WhiteHouse @WISPANews
> 
>  
> Calling all WISPA members, WISP customers, and allies: Help us tell @FCC that 
> the current #CBRS rules are helping to close the rural broadband gap and 
> should not be tinkered with! https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of 
> Congress’s Twitter name here] @WhiteHouse @WISPANews
> 
>  
> Dear @FCC: Don’t sink our hopes for rural broadband; keep the #CBRS rules! 
> https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of Congress’s Twitter name here] 
> @WhiteHouse @WISPANews
> 
>  
> Attention @FCC: Don't take away rural consumers' best hope for finally 
> closing the broadband gap! Keep the #CBRS rules! https://goo.gl/TKczyK 
> [insert your member of Congress’s Twitter name here] @WhiteHouse @WISPANews
> 
>  
> Hey @FCC -- Don’t leave rural areas behind by changing the #CBRS rules to 
> favor the big mobile companies! https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of 
> Congress’s Twitter name here] @WhiteHouse @WISPANews
> 
>  
> In the #CBRS spectrum band, census-tract-sized PAL licenses are crucial for 
> bringing broadband internet to rural customers. https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert 
> your member of Congress’s Twitter name here] @WhiteHouse @WISPANews @FCC
> 
>  
> Facebook and LinkedIn:
> 
>  
> Dear @FCC: Don’t leave rural areas like mine behind by changing the #CBRS 
> rules to favor the big mobile companies! @Your-member-of-Congress: Please let 
> FCC know your views! More info at WISPA.org: https://goo.gl/TKczyK
> 
>  
> Any of the above options will work as well.
> 
>  
>  
> 2)The “easy way”:  Follow WISPA on these networks, watch for our posts, 
> and then “like,” “retweet,” “share,” etc. We will be using the hashtag #CBRS. 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 3)Down the road, we will ask you to contact your U.S. House and U.S. 
> Senate members; be prepared to draft your company’s official comments to the 
> FCC; and sign on to WISPA’s industry letters to the FCC and/or Congress. Stay 
> tuned!
> 
>  
>  
> 
> FOR MORE INFORMATION: 
> 
> · Jimmy Carr, Chair of WISPA’s Legislative Committee, jc...@wispa.org
> 
> · Mark Radabaugh, Chair of WISPA’s FCC Committee, m...@amplex.net  
> 
> 
> 
> Mark Radabaugh
> WISPA FCC Committee Chair
> fcc_ch...@wispa.org
> 419-261-5996
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Re: [WISPA] Major X-Class Solar Flare

[Matt Hoppes]

Yawn

> On Sep 6, 2017, at 16:26, Nick Bright  wrote:
> 
> http://www.spaceweather.com/
> 
> GEOMAGNETIC STORM WATCH (G3-CLASS): A CME hurled toward Earth by sunspot 
> AR2673 on Sept.4th is due to arrive later today. NOAA forecasters say the 
> CME's impact could spark moderately-strong G2-class geomagnetic storms with 
> isolated periods of strong G3-class storming on Sept. 6th and 7th. 
> High-latitude sky watchers should be alert for auroras in bright moonlight. 
> Free: Aurora Alerts
> 
> MAJOR X-CLASS SOLAR FLARE: On Sept. 6th at 1202 UT, sunspot AR2673 unleashed 
> a major X9.3-class solar flare--the strongest solar flare in more than a 
> decade. X-rays and UV radiation from the blast ionized the top of Earth's 
> atmosphere, causing a strong shortwave radio blackout over Europe, Africa and 
> the Atlantic Ocean: blackout map.
> 
> Analysis is still underway but this event may have directed a large CME 
> towards earth. A direct CME strike from an X9 class flare could cause a G5+ 
> geomagnetic storm; which could cause 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_storm#Geomagnetic_storm_effects
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Need 10Mb service Washington, DC

[Matt Hoppes]

Can you summarize these needs into one email please?

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 9:35 PM, Scott Carullo  wrote:
> 
> Hot me off list if you can service thanks
> 
> 106 Air Cargo Road
> Washington, DC 20001
> 
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> Florida High Speed Internet
> (321) 205-1100 x102
> 
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Re: [WISPA] New NEC rule it may hurt WISPs

[Matt Hoppes]

Ummm. We are exclusively  excluded. You even highlighted it. 

> On May 12, 2017, at 11:50 AM, Mitch  wrote:
> 
> Looks like all installers will have to be licensed Electricians
> for everything and anything that connects to a power source
> Am I reading wrong?
> 
> 
> NFPA 70: DOCUMENT SCOPE
>  
> 90.2 Scope.
> (A) Covered. This Code covers the installation and removal of electrical 
> conductors, equipment, and raceways; signaling and communications conductors, 
> equipment, and raceways; and optical fiber cables and raceways for the 
> following:
> (1) Public and private premises, including buildings, structures, mobile 
> homes, recreational vehicles, and floating buildings
> (2) Yards, lots, parking lots, carnivals, and industrial substations
> (3) Installations of conductors and equipment that connect to the supply of 
> electricity
> (4) Installations used by the electric utility, such as office buildings, 
> warehouses, garages, machine shops, and recreational buildings, that are not 
> an integral part of a generating plant, substation, or control center
> (B) Not Covered. This Code does not cover the following:
> (1) Installations in ships, watercraft other than floating buildings, railway 
> rolling stock, aircraft, or automotive vehicles other than mobile homes and 
> recreational vehicles
> Informational Note: Although the scope of this Code indicates that the Code 
> does not cover installations in ships, portions of this Code are incorporated 
> by reference into Title 46, Code of
> Federal Regulations, Parts 110–113.
> (2) Installations underground in mines and self-propelled mobile surface 
> mining machinery and its attendant electrical trailing cable
> (3) Installations of railways for generation, transformation, transmission, 
> energy storage, or distribution of power used exclusively for operation of 
> rolling stock or installations used exclusively for signaling and 
> communications purposes
> (4) Installations of communications equipment under the exclusive control of 
> communications utilities located outdoors or in building spaces used 
> exclusively for such installations
> (5) Installations under the exclusive control of an electric utility where 
> such installations
> a. Consist of service drops or service laterals, and associated metering, or
> b. Are on property owned or leased by the electric utility for the purpose of 
> communications, metering, generation, control, transformation, transmission, 
> energy storage, or distribution of electric energy, or
> c. Are located in legally established easements or rights-of-way, or
> d. Are located by other written agreements either designated by or recognized 
> by public service commissions, utility commissions, or other regulatory 
> agencies having jurisdiction for such installations. These written agreements 
> shall be limited to installations for the purpose of communications, 
> metering, generation, control, transformation, transmission, energy storage, 
> or distribution of electric energy where legally established easements or 
> rights-of-way cannot be obtained. These installations shall be limited to 
> federal lands, Native American reservations through the U.S. Department of 
> the Interior Bureau of Indian Affairs, military bases, lands controlled by 
> port authorities and state agencies and departments, and lands owned by 
> railroads.
> Informational Note to (4) and (5): Examples of utilities may include those 
> entities that are typically designated or recognized by governmental law or 
> regulation by public service/utility commissions and that install, operate, 
> and maintain electric supply (such as generation, transmission, or 
> distribution systems) or communications systems (such as telephone, CATV,
> Internet, satellite, or data services). Utilities may be subject to 
> compliance with codes and standards covering their regulated activities as 
> adopted under governmental law or regulation.
> Additional information can be found through consultation with the appropriate 
> governmental bodies, such as state regulatory commissions, the Federal Energy 
> Regulatory Commission, and the Federal Communications Commission.
> (C) Special Permission. The authority having jurisdiction for enforcing this 
> Code may grant exception for the installation of conductors and equipment 
> that are not under the exclusive control of the electric utilities and are 
> used to connect the electric utility supply system to the service conductors 
> of the premises served, provided such installations are outside a building or 
>   structure, or terminate inside at a readily accessible location nearest 
> the point of entrance of the service conductors.
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Re: [WISPA] Cambium 450, 450m, and epmp in 5.X GHz Comparison

[Matt]

F/B ratio is critical when doing ABAB channel reuse even with sync.  I
imagine the 450m spec sheet states the F/B.



On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> On 3/21/17 09:31, Marco Coelho wrote:
>> Those using the 450m, are you having to put anything behind the to
>> increase the F/B ratio instead of physical separation?
>>
>
>
> The sectors hearing each other isn't really an issue with GPS sync since
> they will all TX at the same time.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Someone has to be in the market for good quality 5ghz dual pol sectors

[Matt Hoppes]

What kind of connector?

Do they have a mount for Ubiquiti?

> On Feb 27, 2017, at 11:00, Scott Carullo  wrote:
> 
> I have pallets of them lol - I was supposed to be able to use some and sell 
> some.  Plan not working so well 
>  
> KP Performance 5Ghz Dual Polarity Sectors PN: KPPA-5GHZDP 120S  (5GHz 120 
> degree 16.3 dBi Dual Pol Sector GEN III)
>  
> Any reasonable offer...  and maybe even an unreasonable one gets you some 
> antennas.  Help a brother out !!!
>  
> Hit me off list
>  
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> (321) 205-1100 x102
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Re: [WISPA] Procera vs Sandive

[Matt Hoppes]

I see no one replied.  I don't know the cost of Sandvine. @Paging Jeff 
Broadwick.  

Procera ends up being around ridiculously cheap when I looked at them 
just a few days ago... like so cheap I'm stupid not to do it.

On 2/12/17 7:29 PM, Colton Conor wrote:
> How much does Procera and Sandive cost for WISP deployements? How are
> these products priced, and where do they fit into the network? Which of
> the two vendors has the better solution for WISPs, FTTH, and DSL
> networks? Is one more focused on the WISP market than the other?
>
> Do you deploy either of these two solutions? Would you deploy them again
> if you were building from the ground up? Are there technologies required
> when bandwidth is cheap, and the access network (GPON for example) has
> little to no congestion?
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Re: [WISPA] Bundle With Dish Network TV??

[Matt Hoppes]

The deal killer so far for us has been needing transport to real choice instead 
of being able to use the Internet to deliver. 

Also the quality has not been the greatest in the demos we've seen. 

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 17:41, Brian Young  wrote:
> 
> Jan, CTI is an acronym for ConVergence Technologies, Inc.  I will have an 
> account manager reach out off list.
> 
> thank you
> 
> 
> Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7 edge.
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Jan-OOLLC 
> Date: 2/14/17 5:20 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bundle With Dish Network TV??
> 
> Been trying to make contact with Real Choice, they don't seem to call back.  
> It's a matter of adding 5-6Mbps to the client?  Is an additional server 
> needed?  Who is CTI?
> Jan Van Kort
> 
> Manager: Oregon Online, LLC
> 
> PO Box 71, Coquille, OR 97423
> 
> Office: 541-435-0509, Cell: 541-404-7001
> 
> 
> 
>> On 02/14/2017 01:31 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>> They just can't stop marketing to your customers.  Once you give them Dish 
>> Satellite, they will bundle in other services in the bills and continually 
>> blast them with commercials on all the channels they serve, including gift 
>> card offers, etc.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>> The price includes support with server plus...so them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Sean
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:41 AM RickG  wrote:
 Who supports it, you or them?
 
 On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
 Hi William,
 
 The HD stream on realchoicetv uses about 5-6mbps which is about the same 
 as Netflix and Hulu.  We really didn't need to "budget" any more bandwidth 
 capacity because our clients are already streaming video.  
 
 As for costs contact CTI they are doing the sales for realchoice and they 
 can give you their pricing.  
 
 We figure we'll be able to add at least $25 more/mo net revenue per sub to 
 our bottom line.  
 
 -Sean
 
 On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 4:14 AM William C Bardwell  
 wrote:
 Sean,
 
 I have given this some thought for our network. What type of speeds and 
 network capacity have to penciled in for your network? What is the cost?
 
 On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
 Other operators have complained that the harvest your client list and 
 advertise heavily to get them to use DSL.  I've personally never sold 
 satellite tv so I can't say that is true myself.
 
 We are about to deploy RealchoiceTV which is Over the top (OTT) live 
 streaming TV with local channels.  They are a WISPA member.
 
 -Sean
 
 
 
 On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 3:34 PM Scott Pope  
 wrote:
 Hello All,
 
 We have been contacted by Dish Network TV regarding the "Opportunity" to 
 bundle with them and their Satellite TV product.  The representative has 
 told me that they have partnered with many other WISP's in other areas of 
 the country.  I was wondering if any other Operators had any success or 
 failure stories to share?  I am cautiously optimistic of the idea.  I am 
 just looking for feedback.
 
 Thank You in Advance!
 
 Scott Pope
 Network and Operations Officer
 Arbuckle Communications, LLC
 Office: 580-226-1234
 Mobile: 580-277-1108
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Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

[Matt Hoppes]

I'm a bit at a loss. These are line of sight frequencies. How is this easier 
than running a cheapfiber drop to the customer home?

Isn't most of the cost on FTTH related to getting he fiber to the street and on 
the poles?

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 23:49, Clay Stewart 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Put my money on microcells, all,the rage for cities.
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:58 AM Marco Coelho  wrote:
>> Some of my friends at Verizon are talking a major shift in their Fiber 
>> Deployment.  
>> They have decided Fiber to the Home is non practical.  They have adopted a 
>> fiber to the pedestal scheme with the last part of the connectivity being 
>> wireless to the home.  Details on bands used have not been provided, but 
>> that is apparently their new model.  They have sold their copper plant in 
>> Texas to Frontier as a part of this plan.   Interesting times.
>> 
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[WISPA] How long?

[Matt Hoppes]

Does one's WISPA membership need to be expired before the yearly cycle 
resets?

Example:  Account expired on 09/2016.  WISP just renewed now.  It shows 
it expiring 09/2017 instead of 12/2017.

How does one "roll the date" so to speak, like you can do with your 
inspection/etc to get it in sync with another date (e.g. license plate 
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Re: [WISPA] Cybermonday deals?

[Matt Hoppes]

Yes. I'm asking customers to pay us $5 for no reason. 

> On Nov 28, 2016, at 10:05, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> 
> 
> Anyone doing Cybermonday deals? 
> 
> here’s ours:
> 
> http://www.aeronetpr.com/cybermonday/
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Gino Villarini
> 
> President
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Re: [WISPA] captive portal software

[Matt Hoppes]

Mikrotik?

> On Oct 8, 2016, at 18:54, David Funderburk  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone recommend a solid captive portal software for WIFI networks? Open 
> source is preferred but not required.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
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> GlobalVision
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Re: [WISPA] Safety One Tower Training

[Matt Hoppes]

Who do you get certified as when done?

How does it compare to CommTrain certification any idea?

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 8, 2016, at 5:59 PM, Dustin Stock  wrote:
> 
> I went to their course last year. It's basic climbing and rescue training. So 
> first half of day is going over easy course materials and testing and last 
> half is the basic climbing and rescue mentioned above
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 8, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Matt Hoppes (Wireless Ninja Lists) 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone here taken the safety one tower training course?  What should be 
>> expected for the one day tower course?
>> 
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[WISPA] Safety One Tower Training

[Matt Hoppes (Wireless Ninja Lists)]

Has anyone here taken the safety one tower training course?  What should be 
expected for the one day tower course?

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[WISPA] Rides from airport

[Matt Hoppes]

Anyone wanting to take Lyft from the airport to the hotel can use my ID to get 
a credit which should equal a free ride (or close to it). 

You must be a new Lyft signup. 

If you prefer Uber : matth11462ue

https://lyft.com/igi/MATT601196

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[WISPA] Lyft from airport

[Matt Hoppes]

Anyone wanting to take Lyft from the airport to the hotel can use my ID to get 
a credit which should equal a free ride (or close to it). 

You must be a new Lyft signup. 

https://lyft.com/igi/MATT601196

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[WISPA] Announcement/Marketing List

[Matt Hoppes]

To whomever is responsible:

The way messages are being moderated/sent-out for the announcement list 
is really destroying my inbox.  I'm getting messages coming in that are 
marked two and three days in the past because that's when the vendor 
sent them into the moderation queue.
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Re: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA

[Matt Hoppes]

I saw beverages there. But didn't see Mimosas. Guess I missed them. 

> On Sep 29, 2016, at 16:39, Fred Goldstein  wrote:
> 
>> On 9/29/2016 4:21 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> And you still haven't offered Mimosas, Jaime... I feel like you're
>> missing an opportunity here.
> 
> You must have missed, or been late for, the WISPAPALOOZA 2014 product 
> announcement.
> 
>> 
>>> On 9/29/16 4:20 PM, Jaime Fink wrote:
>>> Mimosa's open event where we'll cover all our new things and talk
>>> multipoint will be Monday 2-4PM at the Rio, Palma Room, no RSVP needed.
>>> 
>>> Booze is officially separate from business ;)
>>> 
>>> Jaime
>>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:32 PM, Matt Hoppes
>>> >> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Ok. That as one way to ask the question. Lol
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 15:30, Gino Villarini >>> <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Wheres the booze
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: >>>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf of Josh Luthman
>>>>> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> *//*
>>>>> 
>>>>> */Gino Villarini/*
>>>>> 
>>>>> President
>>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List >>>> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>>>>> Date: Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 3:25 PM
>>>>> To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA
>>>>> 
>>>>> Those are just training, I think he's after the typical Ubnt Cambium
>>>>> and Mimosa announcement deals.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Trina Coffey >>>> <mailto:tr...@wispa.org>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> All of the events that I was made aware of are listed here:
>>>>> http://www.wispa.org/Events/WISPAPALOOZA/wp16-collocated-training
>>>>> <http://www.wispa.org/Events/WISPAPALOOZA/wp16-collocated-training>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Trina Coffey
>>>>> Director of Operations
>>>>> WISPA
>>>>> 260-622-5775  direct
>>>>> 866-317-2851 ext. 102  (US only)
>>>>> 530-227-6696  cell
>>>>> www.wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Come see us at WISPAPALOOZA!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:37 PM
>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is there a list of events happening during the show?  Like I
>>>>> believe Monday
>>>>> several vendors have some events going on, or the events
>>>>> happening in the
>>>>> evening.  Trying to plan my week.
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Re: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA

[Matt Hoppes]

And you still haven't offered Mimosas, Jaime... I feel like you're 
missing an opportunity here.

On 9/29/16 4:20 PM, Jaime Fink wrote:
> Mimosa's open event where we'll cover all our new things and talk
> multipoint will be Monday 2-4PM at the Rio, Palma Room, no RSVP needed.
>
> Booze is officially separate from business ;)
>
> Jaime
>
> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:32 PM, Matt Hoppes
>  <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:
>
>> Ok. That as one way to ask the question. Lol
>>
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 15:30, Gino Villarini > <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wheres the booze
>>>
>>> From: >> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf of Josh Luthman
>>> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
>>>
>>> *//*
>>>
>>> */Gino Villarini/*
>>>
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List >> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>>> Date: Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 3:25 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA
>>>
>>> Those are just training, I think he's after the typical Ubnt Cambium
>>> and Mimosa announcement deals.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Trina Coffey >> <mailto:tr...@wispa.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> All of the events that I was made aware of are listed here:
>>> http://www.wispa.org/Events/WISPAPALOOZA/wp16-collocated-training
>>> <http://www.wispa.org/Events/WISPAPALOOZA/wp16-collocated-training>
>>>
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>> Trina Coffey
>>> Director of Operations
>>> WISPA
>>> 260-622-5775  direct
>>> 866-317-2851 ext. 102  (US only)
>>> 530-227-6696  cell
>>> www.wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org>
>>>
>>> Come see us at WISPAPALOOZA!!
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On
>>> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:37 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List >> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>>> Subject: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA
>>>
>>> Is there a list of events happening during the show?  Like I
>>> believe Monday
>>> several vendors have some events going on, or the events
>>> happening in the
>>> evening.  Trying to plan my week.
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Re: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA

[Matt Hoppes]

Ok. That as one way to ask the question. Lol

> On Sep 29, 2016, at 15:30, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> 
> Wheres the booze  
> 
> From:  on behalf of Josh Luthman 
> 
>  
> 
> Gino Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
> 
> 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date: Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 3:25 PM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA
> 
> Those are just training, I think he's after the typical Ubnt Cambium and 
> Mimosa announcement deals.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Trina Coffey  wrote:
>> All of the events that I was made aware of are listed here:
>> http://www.wispa.org/Events/WISPAPALOOZA/wp16-collocated-training
>> 
>> 
>> Respectfully,
>> 
>> Trina Coffey
>> Director of Operations
>> WISPA
>> 260-622-5775 direct
>> 866-317-2851 ext. 102 (US only)
>> 530-227-6696 cell
>> www.wispa.org
>> 
>> Come see us at WISPAPALOOZA!!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:37 PM
>> To: WISPA General List 
>> Subject: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA
>> 
>> Is there a list of events happening during the show?  Like I believe Monday
>> several vendors have some events going on, or the events happening in the
>> evening.  Trying to plan my week.
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Re: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA

[Matt Hoppes]

Correct. I know they were announced. I'm just trying to organize my schedule. 

> On Sep 29, 2016, at 15:25, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Those are just training, I think he's after the typical Ubnt Cambium and 
> Mimosa announcement deals.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Trina Coffey  wrote:
>> All of the events that I was made aware of are listed here:
>> http://www.wispa.org/Events/WISPAPALOOZA/wp16-collocated-training
>> 
>> 
>> Respectfully,
>> 
>> Trina Coffey
>> Director of Operations
>> WISPA
>> 260-622-5775 direct
>> 866-317-2851 ext. 102 (US only)
>> 530-227-6696 cell
>> www.wispa.org
>> 
>> Come see us at WISPAPALOOZA!!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:37 PM
>> To: WISPA General List 
>> Subject: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA
>> 
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>> several vendors have some events going on, or the events happening in the
>> evening.  Trying to plan my week.
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Re: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA

[Matt Hoppes]

I don't see the things like receptions, etc that vendors are holding.

On 9/29/16 2:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> This?
>
> http://www.wispa.org/Events/WISPAPALOOZA/Programs/Agenda
>
>
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> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Matt Hoppes
>  <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:
>
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> Monday several vendors have some events going on, or the events
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[WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA

[Matt Hoppes]

Is there a list of events happening during the show?  Like I believe 
Monday several vendors have some events going on, or the events 
happening in the evening.  Trying to plan my week.
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Re: [WISPA] 13.4 canopy sw

[Matt Hopkins]

Radius authentication does not work. 13.4.1 is stable for us though.

On Jul 28, 2016 11:50 AM, "Marco Coelho"  wrote:

> Any negative issues with the 13.4 firmware for the pmp100 series
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

Generally I agree. But none of the competitor tests, save one, even approached 
the provisioned speed. 


> On Jun 25, 2016, at 09:30, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Adding foliage and faster speeds...I mean that speaks pretty loudly.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Jun 25, 2016 9:26 AM, "Ian Fraser"  wrote:
>> 
>> This info is like comparing apples and oranges.  One with foliage and one 
>> without, one with 'Max 15/2' and the other no 'speed limit set'. 
>> What other differences not shown here ? EPC (probably), Internet pipe 
>> (maybe), Laptop and/or software used (probably), time of day (most likely), 
>> duration of sampling ? (impossible to tell), test rig used ? (who knows), 
>> latency (?).  
>> So all I can get from this is that both would not create a stable connection 
>> at the same single location.  
>> Please publish something comparative that we can chew on, otherwise what's 
>> the point ?
>> 
>> Ian
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6/24/2016 12:32 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:
>>> Wave 2 trials are just beginning.  Here are some results of a test in South 
>>> Carolina on Tuesday. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Test results of Baicells Nova eNodeB w/GPS and Alpha sector in Reeseville, 
>>> SC. Note testing dates of competitor was before foliage emerged and 
>>> Baicells was after foliage emerged. ‪#‎Baicells
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Posted on Facebook WISP Talk, WISP Pics and will soon be on the Baicells 
>>> Facebook page
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Respectfully,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Rick Harnish
>>> 
>>> Director of WISP Markets
>>> 
>>> Baicells Technologies, N.A.
>>> 
>>> Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
>>> 
>>> Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com
>>> 
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>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Daniel Mullen
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 3:18 PM
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>>> 
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>>> >On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> 
>>> > > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? 
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

Local offloading is a standard LTE feature. You do need an a device to do it, 
which in guessing Bai has built into their eNB. 

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 17:07, Nathan Anderson  wrote:
> 
> So it sounds like you have made Baicells eNB talk to a Breezeway for 
> authentication.  Very cool.
> 
> Re: VPLS, I could be wrong (and I haven't actually tried VPLS/VPWS on 
> Telrad), but I don't believe the eNB has anything whatsoever to do with 
> making that work.  As far as it is concerned, it is just passing user 
> traffic.  In the Telrad scenario, I *think* the UE constructs a GRE tunnel to 
> the EPC.
> 
> However, the fact that you say that the Baicells eNB does not send user 
> traffic to the core but only authenticates against the core might throw a 
> monkey wrench into that whole theory.  For Telrad VPLS to work, you need a 
> Telrad UE and a Telrad core, and the user traffic clearly needs to go to/from 
> the core for that to work.
> 
> How does having the eNB send user traffic directly to your gateway even 
> work?? I mean, that makes sense as long as they can get away with it, because 
> I think it would be a nightmare, both from the service provider's perspective 
> as well as from Baicells' perspective, to have to carry all of the user 
> traffic to the cloud and back, but I thought LTE *required* that user traffic 
> be tunneled via GTP to the core. Does the Baicells eNB implement part of the 
> EPC (likely the SGW and PGW bits) itself?  If you wanted to, could you elect 
> to shut those off and have it ship user traffic off to an external EPC as 
> well?
> 
> What do you do for SIM cards with Baicells UEs?  Does Baicells provide those 
> as well?  Have you tried a Baicells SIM in a Telrad UE and vice-versa?
> 
> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
> Matthew Carpenter [mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:37 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> So far I am have able to mix and match the Biacell, and Telrad eNBs and UEs.
> 
> Biacell eNB connects to the core with 0 setup.
> With only one change it will connect and work with the Telrad core.
> 
> UEs from both Telrad and Biacells work with either eNBs.
> 
> Things to test:
> 1. VPLS from the Telrad Core to the Biacells UE using a Telrad eNB
> 2. VPLS from the Telrad  Core to the Biacells UE using a Biacells eNB (I 
> don't believe this will work. There are some updates to the Biacells eNB 
> coming out soon to add VPLS)
> 3. Does the Biacells UE support VPLS ?
> 4. Does the Biacells UE allow remote management from the Wireless side?
> 5. Do all this again with the new 19.5 dB Biscells UE.
> 
> One cool thing is when the Biacells eNB is using the Telrad core it only send 
> SIM card authorization to the core.  All customer data goes out to its 
> gateway and not to the core.
> 
> Matthew Carpenter
> Amarillo Wireless
> 806-316-5071
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:03 PM -0500, "Adair Winter" 
> mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
> 
> You just gonna call up baicell and get the info?
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Matt Hoppes 
> mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> Eh. VPN router.
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:57, Adair Winter 
> mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
> 
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
> 
> The other way around works great though.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
> baicells EPC??
> 
> *gear spinning*
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
> mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
> 
> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs 
> to other vendors.
> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
> one. so look at the long term when pricing.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> 
> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> I'v

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

I think Adair said he has?

Who says the baicells isn't SDR?  I don't know. 

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 16:55, Nathan Anderson  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, if you're already buying Telrad Compacts then you *probably* have a 
> Telrad core, so I don't see the appeal of hooking up Telrad eNB to Baicells 
> cloud core.
> 
> But the idea of hooking up a Baicells eNB to a Telrad core is interesting, 
> considering the eNB price differential...use Compacts in areas where you are 
> counting on the future SDR roadmap/upgradeability and the extra oomph, and 
> Baicells for little micro-cell sites where you simply aren't going to have 
> high subscriber density or demand and couldn't have justified a Compact to 
> begin with.  Have you actually tried pointing Baicells eNB at a Breezeway?
> 
> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
> Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:57 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
> 
> The other way around works great though.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
> baicells EPC??
> 
> *gear spinning*
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
> mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
> 
> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs 
> to other vendors.
> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
> one. so look at the long term when pricing.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> 
> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
> 
> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
> He said "real" good ;)
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Matt Hoppes<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> To: WISPA General List<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> As opposed to bad? :P.
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> "Good"?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> True. It's good though. Real good.
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann 
> mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
> Whats the pricing like?
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
> mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
> mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>> wrote:
> 
> Ours*  brain fart.
> 
> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
> small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Christian Palecek 
> mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>>
> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only getting 
> one I guess.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Chris Ruschmann mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>>
> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

You can run your own EPC. It's a take your pick!!!

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 16:47, Nathan Anderson  wrote:
> 
> To the second point, Azure is supposed to be good stuff.  But to the first, 
> if your users can't authenticate...
> 
> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
> Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:03 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> No, just authentication. Or at least that's the way it should be.
> They are hosting in azure and are supposed to have some good redundancy .
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:01 PM, 
> mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down?
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter 
> mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
> 
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
> 
> The other way around works great though.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
> baicells EPC??
> 
> *gear spinning*
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
> mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
> 
> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs 
> to other vendors.
> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
> one. so look at the long term when pricing.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> 
> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
> 
> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
> He said "real" good ;)
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Matt Hoppes<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> To: WISPA General List<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> As opposed to bad? :P.
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> "Good"?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> True. It's good though. Real good.
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann 
> mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
> Whats the pricing like?
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
> mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
> wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
> mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>> wrote:
> 
> Ours*  brain fart.
> 
> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
> small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Christian Palecek 
> mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>>
> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only getting 
> one I guess.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Chris Ruschmann mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>>
> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> 
> I should have mine deployed next week as w

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

Shouldn't be. No. That aside. You can run your own core if you like. 

Hosted cores are very common in the cellular world. 

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 13:01, mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down?
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter  wrote:
>> 
>> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
>> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
>> 
>> The other way around works great though.
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
>>> baicells EPC??
>>> 
>>> *gear spinning*
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade 
>>>> offs to other vendors.
>>>> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
>>>> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already 
>>>> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> He said "real" good ;)
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>>> From: Matt Hoppes
>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann  
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
>>>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> another in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>&

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

Eh. VPN router. 

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:57, Adair Winter  wrote:
> 
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
> 
> The other way around works great though.
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
>> baicells EPC??
>> 
>> *gear spinning*
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade 
>>> offs to other vendors.
>>> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
>>> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already 
>>> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>>>> 
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> He said "real" good ;)
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -
>>>>>> From: Matt Hoppes
>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann  
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
>>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and 
>>>>>>>>>>> another in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baic

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
baicells EPC??

*gear spinning*

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter  wrote:
> 
> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs 
> to other vendors.
> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
> one. so look at the long term when pricing.
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman  
>> wrote:
>> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  
>>> wrote:
>>> I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 
>>> 
>>> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> He said "real" good ;)
>>>>  
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: Matt Hoppes
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>> 
>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:
>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another 
>>>>>>>>> in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only 
>>>>>>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>>>> From: Chris Ruschmann 
>>>>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear 
>>>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>&g

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 

Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:
> 
>  
> He said "real" good ;)
>  
> ----- Original Message -
> From: Matt Hoppes
> To: WISPA General List
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> As opposed to bad? :P. 
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>> 
>> "Good"?
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes"  
>>> wrote:
>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:
>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in 
>>>>>> a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>> From: Christian Palecek 
>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only 
>>>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>> From: Chris Ruschmann 
>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear 
>>>>>> today.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis"  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> By: Douglas Adams
>>>>>>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins 
>>>>>>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so 
>>>>>>> on-while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water 
>>>>>>> having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed 
>>>>>>> that they were far more intelligent than man-for precisely the same 
>>>>>>> reason."
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis 
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> We receive

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

Who said solid?  I said 8 miles NLOS. People assumed. Small forest somewhere in 
the path at 8 miles. 

> On Jun 18, 2016, at 14:43, Ian Fraser  wrote:
> 
> Please Clarify what "8 miles NLOS means".  You can't do 8 miles of solid 
> foliage on 900M forget about 5Ghz there is simply no way that you have 8 
> solid miles of foliage and are getting a signal on 5Gig.
> 
>> On 6/18/2016 2:11 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> I can do 8 mile NLOS in 5GHz with Uniquiti now. Around a -78. If assume Bai 
>> will do just as well but modulate much better. 
>> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 14:08, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>> 
>>> There is also a big difference between the 2 in tx power 
>>> 
>>> From:  on behalf of Adair Winter 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Gino Villarini
>>> 
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>>> Date: Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 11:25 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>> 
>>> I don't expect the Baicell BTS to have the tree penetration that the Telrad 
>>> BTS has until the Baicell has 4x4.
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>>>  wrote:
>>>> But that tree penetration do!
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:53, Josh Luthman  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> And more than 450, less than Telrad.  That's just common sense.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:49 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> More than Ubiquiti?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Relative terms :P
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann  
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer 
>>>>>>>>>>> that one.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>&

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

I can do 8 mile NLOS in 5GHz with Uniquiti now. Around a -78. If assume Bai 
will do just as well but modulate much better. 

> On Jun 18, 2016, at 14:08, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> 
> There is also a big difference between the 2 in tx power 
> 
> From:  on behalf of Adair Winter 
> 
>  
> 
> Gino Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
> 
> 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date: Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 11:25 AM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> I don't expect the Baicell BTS to have the tree penetration that the Telrad 
> BTS has until the Baicell has 4x4.
> 
>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> But that tree penetration do!
>> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:53, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>> 
>>> And more than 450, less than Telrad.  That's just common sense.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:49 AM, "Matt Hoppes"  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> More than Ubiquiti?
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Relative terms :P
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
>>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and 
>>>>>>>>>>> another in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only 
>>>>>>>>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

Is Telrad 4x4?  I know they talked about it but I thought they pulled it and 
were only doing 2x2?

Regardless. If you can get a -85 with Ubiquiti m5 I would expect slightly 
better with 3GHz, plus no noise, plus higher LTE sensitivity  and modulation. 

> On Jun 18, 2016, at 11:25, Adair Winter  wrote:
> 
> I don't expect the Baicell BTS to have the tree penetration that the Telrad 
> BTS has until the Baicell has 4x4.
> 
>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> But that tree penetration do!
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:53, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>>> 
>>> And more than 450, less than Telrad.  That's just common sense.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:49 AM, "Matt Hoppes"  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> More than Ubiquiti?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Relative terms :P
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann  
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
>>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and 
>>>>>>>>>>> another in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only 
>>>>>>>>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>&g

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

But that tree penetration do!

> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:53, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> And more than 450, less than Telrad.  That's just common sense.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:49 AM, "Matt Hoppes"  
>> wrote:
>> More than Ubiquiti?
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Relative terms :P
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes"  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:
>>>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another 
>>>>>>>>> in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only 
>>>>>>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>>>> From: Chris Ruschmann 
>>>>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear 
>>>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis"  
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> By: Douglas Adams
>>>>>>>>>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins 
>>>>>>>>>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so 
>>>>>>>>>> on-while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water 
>>>>>>>>>> having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed 
>>>>

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

More than Ubiquiti?

> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:29, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Relative terms :P
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:18 AM, "Matt Hoppes"  
>> wrote:
>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>>> 
>>> "Good"?
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes"  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:
>>>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another 
>>>>>>> in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>> From: Christian Palecek 
>>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only 
>>>>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>>> From: Chris Ruschmann 
>>>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear 
>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis"  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> By: Douglas Adams
>>>>>>>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins 
>>>>>>>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so 
>>>>>>>> on-while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water 
>>>>>>>> having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed 
>>>>>>>> that they were far more intelligent than man-for precisely the same 
>>>>>>>> reason."
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>>>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>>>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>>>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>>>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>>>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>>>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>>>

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

As opposed to bad? :P. 

> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> "Good"?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes"  
>> wrote:
>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
>>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:
>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in 
>>>>> a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>> From: Christian Palecek 
>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only 
>>>>> getting one I guess.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>> From: Chris Ruschmann 
>>>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear 
>>>>> today.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis"  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> By: Douglas Adams
>>>>>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins 
>>>>>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so 
>>>>>> on-while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water 
>>>>>> having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed 
>>>>>> that they were far more intelligent than man-for precisely the same 
>>>>>> reason."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>>> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning
>>>>>>>> deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use
>>>>>>>> test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well 
>>>>>>>> documented.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>>>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>>>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>>>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>>>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>>>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>>>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>>>>>> 
>&

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

True. It's good though. Real good. 

> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann  wrote:
> 
> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:
> Whats the pricing like?
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>> 
>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
>>> small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>> 
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Christian Palecek 
>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>> 
>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only getting 
>>> one I guess.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>> 
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Chris Ruschmann 
>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>> 
>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis"  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> By: Douglas Adams
>>>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins 
>>>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while 
>>>> all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good 
>>>> time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far 
>>>> more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason."
>>>> 
>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning
>>>>>> deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use
>>>>>> test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well documented.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>>>> > I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
>>>>>> > yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very
>>>>>> > soon.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>> >> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  
>>>>>> >> Care
>>>>>> >> to comment on/off list?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Josh Luthman
>>>>>> >> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>> >> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>> >> Suite 1337
>>>>>> >> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/

> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek  wrote:
> 
> Ours*  brain fart.
> 
> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
> small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Christian Palecek 
> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only getting 
> one I guess.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Chris Ruschmann 
> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today.
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis"  wrote:
>> 
>> By: Douglas Adams
>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because 
>> he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while all the 
>> dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But 
>> conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far 
>> more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason."
>> 
>> John Michael Francis II
>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>> Wavefly Technologies
>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>> 251-517-5069
>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>> http://wavefly.com
>> 
>>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis  
>>> wrote:
>>>> We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning
>>>> deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use
>>>> test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well documented.
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> John Michael Francis II
>>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>>> 251-517-5069
>>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>> > I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
>>>> > yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very
>>>> > soon.
>>>> >
>>>> > On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>> >> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care
>>>> >> to comment on/off list?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Josh Luthman
>>>> >> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> >> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> >> Suite 1337
>>>> >> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Surplus Waverider Gear

[Matt Hoppes]

I literally just threw stuff out. :(

> On Jun 17, 2016, at 17:09, Kevin Battersby  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm looking for surplus Waverider equipment. It's getting a little long in 
> the 
> tooth but still serves some of our smallest and most remote communities.
> 
> In particular in order of preference the following is what would be of 
> interest:
> 
> CCU8000
> EUM8005 Indoor
> EUM8001 N-Connector
> EUM8000
> 
> Please feel free to contact me off list if you have some surplus or know of 
> any.
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak 
yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very 
soon.

On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care
> to comment on/off list?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
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Re: [WISPA] 2 foot 5 GHz dishes

[Matt]

> What are my options besides the ever elusive Ubnt and missing Arc?

I always liked the ARC 2 footers with integrated radio mount and
available radome cover.  Is there a problem with them?
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Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues

[Matt Hoppes]

Maybe. It was one of the first ever installed though. 



> On Jan 10, 2015, at 09:06, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> You must not get very heavy rains or just put it up yesterday.  :-p
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, January 9, 2015 10:42:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
> 
> Naw I have yet to have my 1.5 mile airFiber go down or even
> de-modulate past 6x in rain.
> 
> 
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
> 
> On 1/9/15 11:34 AM, Adair Winter wrote:
> > good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area. 
> > 
> > On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark  > <mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the
> > front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it
> > and degrade and possibly take down the link?
> > 
> > Has anyone seen this 
> > 
> > We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime
> > 
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> > 
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Re: [WISPA] Software for network monitoring

[Matt Hoppes]

Opennms is relatively easy to setup. 



> On Jan 9, 2015, at 17:11, Fabrizio Fiore Donati  wrote:
> 
> Hi all we have a network of about 200 wireless pop, each pop have about 8 
> devices, what software do you suggest to use for monitoring ?
> Wireless devices are a mix of mikrotik, ubiquity, cambium and siae 
> microelettronica. Switches are zte and cisco.
> 
> Right now we use ipswitch whatsup gold but i'm looking for a valid 
> alternative.
> 
> Anu suggestion ?
> 
> Fabrizio Fiore Donati
> 
> Mobile: +39 3289872420
> E-mail: fabrizio.fioredon...@2bite.net
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Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues

[Matt Hoppes]

That's right on... hmmm interesting.


On 1/9/15 11:48 AM, Adair Winter wrote:
> Mine is actually 2.77 miles and it at -60
> 
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Matt Hoppes  <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
> 
> What signal levels do you have on your 1.5 mile hop?
> 
> On 1/9/15 11:44 AM, Adair Winter wrote:
> > That's because all you get is dainty rain I guess.
> > at .5" to 1" and hour along the path, it will drop.
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>
> > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com 
> <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > Naw I have yet to have my 1.5 mile airFiber go down or even
> > de-modulate past 6x in rain.
> >
> >
> > Matt Hoppes
> > Director of Information Technology
> > Indigo Wireless
> > +1 (570) 723-7312 
> 
> >
> > On 1/9/15 11:34 AM, Adair Winter wrote:
> > > good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark 
> mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com>
> <mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com <mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com>>
> > > <mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com <mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com>
> <mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com <mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com>>>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned 
> that the
> > > front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick 
> to it
> > > and degrade and possibly take down the link?
> > >
> > > Has anyone seen this 
> > >
> > > We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 
> uptime
> > >
> > > __ __
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues

[Matt Hoppes]

What signal levels do you have on your 1.5 mile hop?

On 1/9/15 11:44 AM, Adair Winter wrote:
> That's because all you get is dainty rain I guess.
> at .5" to 1" and hour along the path, it will drop.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Matt Hoppes  <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
> 
> Naw I have yet to have my 1.5 mile airFiber go down or even
> de-modulate past 6x in rain.
> 
> 
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312 
> 
> On 1/9/15 11:34 AM, Adair Winter wrote:
> > good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area.
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark  <mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com>
> > <mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com <mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com>>> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the
> > front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it
> > and degrade and possibly take down the link?
> >
> > Has anyone seen this 
> >
> > We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Robert W Clark
> >
> > Network Administrator
> >
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> >
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Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues

[Matt Hoppes]

Naw I have yet to have my 1.5 mile airFiber go down or even
de-modulate past 6x in rain.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 1/9/15 11:34 AM, Adair Winter wrote:
> good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area. 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark  <mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com>> wrote:
> 
> Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the
> front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it
> and degrade and possibly take down the link?
> 
> Has anyone seen this 
> 
> We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime
> 
> __ __
> 
> Robert W Clark
> 
> Network Administrator
> 
> Bolt Internet
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Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues

[Matt Hoppes]

Not sure where you are physically

But I have a 1.5 mile and 2.7 mile airFiber link and have yet to have
either of them even modulate down beyond 6x through sticky wet snow.

On 1/9/15 11:28 AM, Robert Clark wrote:
> Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the
> front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and
> degrade and possibly take down the link?
> 
> Has anyone seen this
> 
> We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime
> 
>  
> 
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> 
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> 
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Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced

[Matt Hoppes]

Have you noticed your signal levels IMPROVE when it's snowing?  I have,
and can't explain that..

On 12/17/14, 2:40 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote:
> When I googled the rainiest places in the US, it doesn't show Alaska,
> But I laugh at the places they do show and how little of rain they get
> compared to us. Mine actually works better in snow.
> 
> I use Airfiber without issues. Align you link correctly and don't push
> the limits and you should be fine.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:37 AM,  > wrote:
> 
> True throughput and longer range, plus a metal dish means real money.
> 
> Daniel
> 
> Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote ..
> > Dang! 2x price for 250 mbps more, ouch!
> >
> >
> >
> > Gino A. Villarini
> > President
> > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> > www.aeronetpr.com 
> > @aeronetpr
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "ben.mo...@ubnt.com
>  >"   >>
> > Reply-To: WISPA General List   >>
> > Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 2:48 PM
> > To: WISPA General List   >>
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
> >
> > Hi Gino -
> >
> > Initial shipments are in transit to distributors so units will be 
> received in early
> > to mid January.
> >
> > MSRP is $6k/link.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ben
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Gino Villarini
>   >>
> > wrote:
> > Just got a email from UBNT
> >
> > AF24HD announced, similar to AF24, bigger Rx dish (40db) 256 qam 1 Gbps 
> Fdx
> >
> > http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber/airfiber24/
> >
> > No pricing or availability info, Ben?
> >
> >
> >
> > Gino A. Villarini
> > President
> > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> > www.aeronetpr.com 
> > @aeronetpr
> >
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Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced

[Matt Hoppes]

Wait... why are you driving if you can't see past the hood of your car?

;-)

On 12/17/14, 2:34 PM, Adair Winter wrote:
> SWAG. In skywarn training we were always told that if you cant see past
> the hood of your car, that's 1" per hour or more.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman
> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> 
> How are you guys measuring/finding the inch per hour rainfall?
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Adair Winter
> mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>>
> wrote:
> 
> The rains that have knocked ours our were 1" per hour.
> (certainly no less then .5"/hr)
> 
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Jim Patient
> mailto:jpati...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
> 
> It takes a pretty hard rain before our 3.2 mile link fails
> over to the backup Mikrotik link.  It usually takes >.3"/hr
> to drop it out.  Light rain doesn't affect it as much as I
> expected.  Overall, I'm well pleased with it for the price. 
> 
> 
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> licensed link.
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>     *To:* WISPA General List
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> 
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
> 
> __ __
> 
> in the rain? my 2.7 miles link drops in anything but a
> drizzle. 
> 
> __ __
> 
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Matt Hoppes
>  <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
> 
> Working great at 3 miles here in PA.
> 
> On 12/17/14, 1:59 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> > Working great at six miles here in Alaska.
> >
> > On December 17, 2014 9:58:58 AM AKST, Tim Reichhart
> >  <mailto:timreichh...@hometowncable.net>> wrote:
> >
> > Here is my issue the af24 wouldnt work for me since I
> live in the
> > Midwest and we get rain etc... it would only work
> about an mile or
> > so not 8 mile shots when can you guys get an working
> 24Ghz airfiber
> > to work in these types of weather climates?
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >   
>  
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: "Ben Moore"  <mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>>
> > To: "WISPA General List"  <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> > Date: 12/17/14 01:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
> >
> > and 50% more range...
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds
> > mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>
> <mailto:j...@spitwspots.com <mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>>>
> wrote:
> >
> > 500Mbps technically :)
> >
> >
> > On December 17, 2014 9:52:55 AM AKST, Gino
> Villarini
> > mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
> <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com <

Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced

[Matt Hoppes]

Working great at 3 miles here in PA.

On 12/17/14, 1:59 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> Working great at six miles here in Alaska.
> 
> On December 17, 2014 9:58:58 AM AKST, Tim Reichhart
>  wrote:
> 
> Here is my issue the af24 wouldnt work for me since I live in the
> Midwest and we get rain etc... it would only work about an mile or
> so not 8 mile shots when can you guys get an working 24Ghz airfiber
> to work in these types of weather climates?
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Ben Moore" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Date: 12/17/14 01:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
> 
> and 50% more range...
>  
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds
> mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote:
> 
> 500Mbps technically :)
>  
> 
> On December 17, 2014 9:52:55 AM AKST, Gino Villarini
> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
> 
> Dang! 2x price for 250 mbps more, ouch!
> 
> 
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com   
> @aeronetpr
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> From: "ben.mo...@ubnt.com "
> mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>>
> Reply-To: WISPA General List  >
> Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 2:48 PM
> To: WISPA General List  >
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
> 
>  
> Hi Gino - 
> 
> Initial shipments are in transit to distributors so
> units will be received in early to mid January.
> 
> MSRP is $6k/link.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ben
>  
>  
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Gino Villarini
> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
> 
> Just got a email from UBNT
> 
> AF24HD announced, similar to AF24, bigger Rx dish
> (40db) 256 qam 1 Gbps Fdx
> 
> http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber/airfiber24/
> 
> No pricing or availability info, Ben?
> 
> 
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
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> www.aeronetpr.com   
> @aeronetpr
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Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced

[Matt Hoppes]

That was my initial thought =(

On 12/17/14, 1:52 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> Dang! 2x price for 250 mbps more, ouch!
> 
> 
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com   
> @aeronetpr
> 
> 
> 
> From: "ben.mo...@ubnt.com "
> mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>>
> Reply-To: WISPA General List  >
> Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 2:48 PM
> To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
> 
> Hi Gino - 
> 
> Initial shipments are in transit to distributors so units will be
> received in early to mid January.
> 
> MSRP is $6k/link.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ben
> 
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Gino Villarini  > wrote:
> 
> Just got a email from UBNT
> 
> AF24HD announced, similar to AF24, bigger Rx dish (40db) 256 qam 1
> Gbps Fdx
> 
> http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber/airfiber24/
> 
> No pricing or availability info, Ben?
> 
> 
> 
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> President
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> www.aeronetpr.com    
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Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage

[Matt Hoppes]

On a server?

On 12/1/14, 4:03 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Where else would you do it?
> 
> 
> 
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> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 3:00:54 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage
> 
> On a router
> 
> On 12/1/14, 4:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Create 100 simple queues.  Done.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Matt Hoppes > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
>>
>> You want to run MRTG on a router?
>>
>> On 12/1/14, 3:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> > Mikrotik is waaay easier and will be cheaper than Mikrotik + cacti
>> > assuming >0 cost of server.
>> >
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340 
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Sean Heskett  <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>
>> > <mailto:af...@zirkel.us <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Cacti
>> >
>> > Cactiez is a easy install cd that will format the drive, install
>> > Linux and all the cacti software etc
>> >
>> >
>> > On Monday, December 1, 2014, ~NGL~  <mailto:n...@ngl.net>
>> > <mailto:n...@ngl.net <mailto:n...@ngl.net>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > __
>> > I need an inexpensive means to keep track of under 100
> clients
>> > bandwidth usage.
>> > Any suggestions?
>> > Thanx
>> > NGL
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>> > And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
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Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage

[Matt Hoppes]

On a router

On 12/1/14, 4:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Create 100 simple queues.  Done.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Matt Hoppes  <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
> 
> You want to run MRTG on a router?
> 
> On 12/1/14, 3:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> > Mikrotik is waaay easier and will be cheaper than Mikrotik + cacti
> > assuming >0 cost of server.
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340 
> > Direct: 937-552-2343 
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Sean Heskett  <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>
> > <mailto:af...@zirkel.us <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>> wrote:
> >
> > Cacti
> >
> > Cactiez is a easy install cd that will format the drive, install
> > Linux and all the cacti software etc
> >
> >
> > On Monday, December 1, 2014, ~NGL~  <mailto:n...@ngl.net>
> > <mailto:n...@ngl.net <mailto:n...@ngl.net>>> wrote:
> >
> > __
> > I need an inexpensive means to keep track of under 100 clients
> > bandwidth usage.
> > Any suggestions?
> > Thanx
> > NGL
> >   If you can read this Thank A Teacher.
> > And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
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Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage

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You want to run MRTG on a router?

On 12/1/14, 3:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Mikrotik is waaay easier and will be cheaper than Mikrotik + cacti
> assuming >0 cost of server.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Sean Heskett  > wrote:
> 
> Cacti
> 
> Cactiez is a easy install cd that will format the drive, install
> Linux and all the cacti software etc
> 
> 
> On Monday, December 1, 2014, ~NGL~  > wrote:
> 
> __
> I need an inexpensive means to keep track of under 100 clients
> bandwidth usage.
> Any suggestions?
> Thanx
> NGL
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Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage

[Matt Hoppes]

CACTI


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On 12/1/14, 3:49 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:
> I need an inexpensive means to keep track of under 100 clients bandwidth
> usage.
> Any suggestions?
> Thanx
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Re: [WISPA] Need UPS recommendations

[Matt Hoppes]

Only had experience with one about 8 years ago... we had to reset it
about once every few months.

On 12/1/14, 2:22 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> On 12/1/2014 1:56 PM, Bryce Duchcherer wrote:
>>
>> We started using Alpha UPS’ and we have been happy with them.
>>
>> You have to use your own batteries, but it’s nice that you’re not
>> locked down to proprietary batteries like you are with the likes of
>> APC and TrippLite.
>>
>>  
>>
>> TrippLite also has SNMP cards you can put in some of their UPS’ if you
>> are looking for a more complete UPS solution besides APC.
>>
>>  
>>
> 
> You might want to try out one of those SNMP cards on your system before
> investing too much in them, or choosing on the basis that they exist. 
> Just sayin'
> 
>> Bryce D
>>
>> NETAGO
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 1, 2014 11:12
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Need UPS recommendations
>>
>>  
>>
>> Something like that for a CPE setup would be nice. Powers the radio,
>> router and ATA (preferably at least some of those units are
>> integrated) for a few hours.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> *From: *"Bob M" mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net>>
>> *To: *"Wispa" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>> *Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 12:06:14 PM
>> *Subject: *[WISPA] Need UPS recommendations
>>
>> Looking for a UPS with SNMP that can send me a loss of AC power alert
>> and power up the backhand radio for maybe 5-10 minutes.  Worse case
>> scenario on the radio will 80 watts of draw at 110 vac.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Other option would be a basic ups and an external monitoring device.
>>  Need something economical because I need to do about 50 sites.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Tnx
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
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Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] "FCC Confirms Delay of New Net Neutrality Rules Until 2015"

[Matt Hoppes]

Is there any more information on what exactly the FCC is proposing to
propose?  I know there was Title II thrown around

How would that impact us, or any other carrier?  Net neutrality is about
giving all packets equal access -- if I already do that, do I have
anything to fear?

I for one would love to see Net neutrality fall on its face, the big
ISPs start throtteling traffic, and just have customers driven to us
little guys who don't throttle.

On 11/11/14, 8:33 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> from:
> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/11/11/2345213/fcc-confirms-delay-of-new-net-neutrality-rules-until-2015
> 
> "/The Federal Communications Commission will abandon
> 
>  its earlier
> promise
>  
> to
> make a decision on new net neutrality rules this year. Instead, FCC
> Press Secretary Kim Hart said, "there will not be a vote on open
> internet rules on the December meeting agenda. That would mean rules
> would now be finalized in 2015." The FCC's confirmation of the delay
> came just as President Barack Obama launched a campaign
> 
>  to
> persuade the agency to reclassify broadband Internet service as a public
> utility./Opensource.com is also running an interview with a legal
> advisor at the FCC
> .
> He says, "There will be a burden on providers. The question is, 'Is that
> burden justified?' And I think our answer is 'Yes.'""
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Re: [WISPA] OSHA Written Safety Plan for WISPs

[Matt Hoppes]

A) don't fall
B) if you fall you are fired when your hand leaves the structure. 

That's our plan. :)

> On Nov 11, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
> 
> Has anybody had one of these done before? Do you know any resources specific 
> to our industry that could help with this?
> 
> Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.

[Matt Hoppes]

That's a valid purpose I has not thought of. Being a land lubber. 

> On Nov 8, 2014, at 4:46 PM, wi...@metrocom.ca wrote:
> 
> We have many customers near the coast, and we have a pile of Canopy 100 900 
> MHz radios that rusted off their mounts due to corrosion. Another pile has 
> units where the Ethernet connectors essentially *rotted* because the 
> installers did not use silicon grease inside the units on the back of the 
> ethernet conenctors and polyphenyl ether on the connectors itself.
> 
> So while "waterproof" may not be crucial, being rated and used for the 
> particular purpose is.
> 
> 
> Daniel Mullen
> Island Telecom
> 
> Matt Hoppes  wrote ..
>> If my subscribers homes are underwater their internet is the least of my 
>> worries.
>> 
>> Ok. I'm playing hardball - but seriously. Sell us on why having a waterproof 
>> CPE
>> is necessary?
>> 
>>> On Nov 8, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Patrick Leary  wrote:
>>> 
>>> ...links have 2 sides
>>> 
>>> - Patrick
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>> Of Matt Hoppes
>>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 9:36 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.
>>> 
>>> My towers do not flood 80 feet in the air.
>>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Leary  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware of 
>>> the
>> meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP rating. It 
>> matters,
>> as the nature of your environment informs you about the gear you need to 
>> use. Do
>> you have broad temperature swings? Thermal expansion can cause cracking 
>> around
>> connector housings in some levels of gear. Ice storms? Nothing exploits a 
>> crack
>> like freezing water. Operate near the desert? Dust protection matters. Near 
>> the
>> coast? Salt is highly corrosive. Are you complaining about water getting 
>> into your
>> boxes? If you don't know the IP rating, you really can't complain becuase 
>> you may
>> be using the gear beyond its specs. As in the law, ignorance is no defense, 
>> so
>> in the interest of dispelling ignorance, here's a quick tutorial on the "IP 
>> rating."
>>> 
>>> First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to each 
>>> other.
>> In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP "fifty-five," but 
>> rather
>> is more appropriately thought of as IP  "five five." Come again?!?
>>> 
>>> Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter --
>> solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection from 
>> liquid
>> incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that deals with 
>> mechanical
>> tolerance.)  In any event, here's the key to crack the code:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls 
>>> are
>> almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station impacts the 
>> whole
>> sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated truck rolls and is a 
>> time
>> sink trying to identify root cause before the truck rolls. Outdoor devices 
>> with
>> a first digit of 5 or less, will take in dust. Similarly, anything with a 
>> second
>> number of 6 or below will take on water because it was not designed not to.
>>> 
>>> These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or 
>>> cable
>> competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you any 
>> less
>> serious a player in your market? Control those variables within your control.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Patrick Leary
>>> National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd.
>>> M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary
>>>  
>>> See us on 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.

[Matt Hoppes]

If my subscribers homes are underwater their internet is the least of my 
worries. 

Ok. I'm playing hardball - but seriously. Sell us on why having a waterproof 
CPE is necessary?

> On Nov 8, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Patrick Leary  wrote:
> 
> ...links have 2 sides
>  
> - Patrick
>  
>  
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 9:36 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.
>  
> My towers do not flood 80 feet in the air.
> 
> On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Leary  wrote:
> 
> Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware of 
> the meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP rating. 
> It matters, as the nature of your environment informs you about the gear you 
> need to use. Do you have broad temperature swings? Thermal expansion can 
> cause cracking around connector housings in some levels of gear. Ice storms? 
> Nothing exploits a crack like freezing water. Operate near the desert? Dust 
> protection matters. Near the coast? Salt is highly corrosive. Are you 
> complaining about water getting into your boxes? If you don't know the IP 
> rating, you really can't complain becuase you may be using the gear beyond 
> its specs. As in the law, ignorance is no defense, so in the interest of 
> dispelling ignorance, here's a quick tutorial on the "IP rating."
>  
> First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to each 
> other. In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP "fifty-five," 
> but rather is more appropriately thought of as IP  "five five." Come again?!?
>  
> Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter -- 
> solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection from 
> liquid incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that deals 
> with mechanical tolerance.)  In any event, here's the key to crack the code:
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls 
> are almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station impacts 
> the whole sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated truck rolls 
> and is a time sink trying to identify root cause before the truck rolls. 
> Outdoor devices with a first digit of 5 or less, will take in dust. 
> Similarly, anything with a second number of 6 or below will take on water 
> because it was not designed not to.
>  
> These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or 
> cable competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you 
> any less serious a player in your market? Control those variables within your 
> control.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Patrick Leary
> National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd.
> M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary
>  
> See us on 
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.

[Matt Hoppes]

My towers do not flood 80 feet in the air.

> On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Leary  wrote:
> 
> Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware of 
> the meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP rating. 
> It matters, as the nature of your environment informs you about the gear you 
> need to use. Do you have broad temperature swings? Thermal expansion can 
> cause cracking around connector housings in some levels of gear. Ice storms? 
> Nothing exploits a crack like freezing water. Operate near the desert? Dust 
> protection matters. Near the coast? Salt is highly corrosive. Are you 
> complaining about water getting into your boxes? If you don't know the IP 
> rating, you really can't complain becuase you may be using the gear beyond 
> its specs. As in the law, ignorance is no defense, so in the interest of 
> dispelling ignorance, here's a quick tutorial on the "IP rating."
>  
> First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to each 
> other. In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP "fifty-five," 
> but rather is more appropriately thought of as IP  "five five." Come again?!?
>  
> Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter -- 
> solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection from 
> liquid incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that deals 
> with mechanical tolerance.)  In any event, here's the key to crack the code:
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls 
> are almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station impacts 
> the whole sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated truck rolls 
> and is a time sink trying to identify root cause before the truck rolls. 
> Outdoor devices with a first digit of 5 or less, will take in dust. 
> Similarly, anything with a second number of 6 or below will take on water 
> because it was not designed not to.
>  
> These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or 
> cable competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you 
> any less serious a player in your market? Control those variables within your 
> control.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Patrick Leary
> National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd.
> M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary
>  
> See us on 
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Cambium OEMs Ceragon for PTP

[Matt Hoppes]

Interesting. I've never understood this. Why would I buy the Cambium product 
instead of the Ceragon product?

> On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> 
> http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/ptp/ptp-820
> 
> NO mention of Mimo though.. 
> 
> 
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com   
> @aeronetpr
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Get ready to support customers when it comes to "internet slowdown Wednesday"

[Matt]

> I'm not seeing this on any of the website???

Saw it on Netflix.  Seems to link to here.

https://www.battleforthenet.com/?from=banner
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Re: [WISPA] Get ready to support customers when it comes to "internet slowdown Wednesday"

[Matt Hoppes]

I'm not seeing this on any of the website???


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 9/9/14, 10:05 PM, Jeremy wrote:
> I'm putting up a message to contact the FCC and screening all
> callsthe voicemail answering equivalent of the perpetual loading
> screen.  Heheheh
> 
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Josh Reynolds  <mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/09/tech/web/internet-slowdown-day/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
> 
> I can't wait for the phone to start ringing.
> -- 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas

[Matt Brendle]

KPP if for nothing else it comes with better jumpers.  KPP has N connectors on 
antenna and jumper to match up to RP-SMA on Rocket.  YMMV

-Matt

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas

 

Same radios but I had the opposite experience.  I had one at -35, maybe the RF 
armor requires both of those dumb machine screws to work.





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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Greg Osborn mailto:gregwosb...@gmail.com> > wrote:

UBNT to KPP straight up, kpp.  UBNT with armor vs KPP, we prefer UBNT
because of the extra horizontal separation required with KPP.  On a grainleg
platform, we've seen kpp sectors see one another at -30 or below, where UBNT
see one another in the -50's.  On a tower without standoffs and KPP, forget
it, you will have problems.

2.4 in 10mhz cw.


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>  
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> ] On

Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 11:33 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas

one obvious advantage with the KPP is that the connectors or all covered by
the shielding, so you eliminate any potential issues with water in the
connectors, and you can throw away that annoying cover on the Rocket over
the ethernet port.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>  
[wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> ] on behalf of
Sam [w...@csilogan.com <mailto:w...@csilogan.com> ]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas

Mathew, these are for 2. GHz Rockets.

I was wondering about the shielding as well. Unless you're in an area with a
ton of interference...  But as was mentioned, the KP omni with the shielding
is the same price basically as the same UBNT model without it. I'm all about
using stuff that's included at no additional charge :)


On 8/28/2014 10:00, Mathew Howard wrote:
> I haven't used any KPP omnis, but I have used several different brands of
dual polarity omnis and I haven't really seen any notable difference in
performance between any of them.
>
> Are you looking at 2.4ghz or 5ghz?
>
> Is there really a lot of benefit to shielding the radio with an omni? it
seems somewhat pointless to me...
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>  
> [wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> ] on
> behalf of Sam [w...@csilogan.com <mailto:w...@csilogan.com> ]
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:29 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas
>
> That's a great point. Thank you Andy. How about differences in
> performance between the two? Big difference? Negligible?
>
> Thanks
> Sam
>
>
>
> On 8/28/2014 09:18, Andy Trimmell wrote:
>> I think the big plus with the KP antennas is they come with a cover
>> for the rocket. You'll have to buy a RF Elements cover if you're
>> using stock Rockets with stock UBNT antennas.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> ]
>> On Behalf Of Sam
>> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:29 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas
>>
>> I am hoping to find someone who has used both UBNT and KP Performance
>> antennas (with Rockets) who would be willing to share their
>> experiences of one vs the other. For this project I'm specifically
>> looking at 13 dBi omni antennas, but am curious about how the sector
>> antennas compare as well.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sam
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

[Matt Jenkins]

UDP, 1500bytes, no retransmits?

Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 08/05/2014 02:33 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> If you use their cloud based link planner, it will tell you the answer 
> to your first question :P
> 2x80MHz - 975Mbps
> 2x40MHz - 487.5Mbps
> 2x20MHz - 243.75Mbps
>
> 1x80MHz - 487.5Mbps
> 1x40MHz - 243.75Mbps
> 1x20MHz - 121.875Mbps
>
> Josh Reynolds, CIO
> SPITwSPOTS
> www.spitwspots.com
>
> On 08/05/2014 01:25 PM, Elton Wilson wrote:
>> I see the advertised speeds of over 1gps, but I assume that is with 
>> 80mhz channels. What can we expect from a 20 or 40mhz channel size?
>>
>> Also, you mentioned that you can have up to 4 Colocated antennas 
>> using the same frequency. What if they are on different towers, but 
>> the towers can see each other? I assume you can still use GPS to sync 
>> them up ( I am ignorant as I have never used GPS sync before).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Josh Reynolds > <mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about
>> awhile back for AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar.
>> I guess in the "easy method" it would doubles the chip cost in
>> some cases, but it's very valuable to have this info for WISPs
>> and people deploying high-density solutions. The ability to have
>> the same data on the *remote* side of the connection is just as
>> important as well, especially when it comes to helping identify
>> customer issues (in the case of PtMP).
>>
>> What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg
>> PtP backhaul setup? Also, will you be developing your own
>> shielded antennas for PtMP?
>>
>>
>> Josh Reynolds, CIO
>> SPITwSPOTS
>> www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>
>>
>> On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote:
>>> +1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea
>>> ;)  Alas good ideas do take time.
>>>
>>> The trick Josh that we found was that it’s incredibly difficult
>>> to change channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi
>>> chips which have limited driver access, often taking over 10
>>> milliseconds of time to make the change.
>>>
>>> This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum
>>> analysis as well without service impact, down to 150
>>> microseconds switching time to settle now.
>>>
>>> Jaime
>>>
>>> On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds >> <mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I
>>>> brainstormed about in July :)
>>>> 
>>>> http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941
>>>>
>>>> Josh Reynolds, CIO
>>>> SPITwSPOTS
>>>> www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com/>
>>>>
>>>> On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>> For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and
>>>>> product under wraps more than everything else.  Dunno why,
>>>>> it's not like one couldn't figure it out or pick it up from
>>>>> the intended secrecy.
>>>>>
>>>>> At least it worked for one person =P
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds
>>>>> mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You're... out of the loop.
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Reynolds, CIO
>>>>> SPITwSPOTS
>>>>> www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>>> > The PtMP.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Matt Hoppes
>>>>> > Director of Information Technology
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[WISPA] Mimosa questions: TX/RX and Spatial Diversity.

[Matt Jenkins]

Currently we deploy a lot of PTP600 and PTP650 links. The primary 
reason, is the ability to have split TX/RX frequencies. Due to 
competitors, we cannot always find the same clear channel on two sides 
of a link. Does Mimosa support this?

Also, we deploy in locations where the antennas move, sometimes a lot. 
The PTP series works very well with spatial diversity to improve 
performance during constant signal fading on one polarity then the 
other. How does Mimosa's products handle this?
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Matt Jenkins]

I wear a size 15 shoe. I really hate shopping for shoes.

Matthew Jenkins
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On 08/07/2014 09:25 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:
> With a size 15 shoe, it's a bit like a sasquatch sighting, only more rare...
>
> Patrick Leary
>   M 727.501.3735
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 12:07 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>
> Hey!  A Patrick sighting!
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff Broadwick
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 11:49 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>
> Everything old is new again. Back in the day the STANDARD was the Western 
> Multiplex Tsunami, which chewed up 100 MHz of 5 GHz ISM (upper 5 GHz) 
> spectrum...and everything in its path.
>
> Patrick Leary
>   M 727.501.3735
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 4:55 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>
> Yes... but not normally on 80MHz wide channels...
>
> On 8/6/14, 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> It is by far and away the most prevalent method...  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC
>> omputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-
>> computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:03:11 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>>
>> I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> Higher one way throughput.
>>> More channels to choose from.
>>> DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
>>> External antennas.
>>> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things
>>> that vary like X-pol and F/B.
>>> Lower power consumption.
>>> Standard PoE.
>>> Etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC
>> omputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-
>> computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> -
>>> ---
>>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>>>
>>> THanks Josh!
>>> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?
>>>
>>> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
>>> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
>>> And latency is higher than an airFiber
>>>
>>> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device?
>>>
>>> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP
>> OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
>>>> submit comments for approval / additions please
>>>>
>>>> I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some
>>>> of it I'm lazy on.
>>>>
>>>> TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal /
>>>> channel width table
>>>>
>>>> Also

Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Matt Hoppes]

How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower?


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote:
> GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the
> addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception,
> and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for
> clearest reception. 
> 
> The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS
> high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios
> switch TX/RX  on the GPS epoch rise and fall.  
> 
> TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced
> downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed
> versus latency choices. 
> 
> For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids
> fixing the bandwidth. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jaime
> 
> On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser"  <mailto:li...@wavelinc.com>> wrote:
> 
>> How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into
>> every radio or is there an external source?
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>
>> Wavelinc Communications
>>
>> P.O. Box 126
>>
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>
>> http://www.wavelinc.com <http://www.wavelinc.com/>
>>
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes
>> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I totally understand, Steve.
>>
>> What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz
>> backhauls ew.  I guess we'll say.  It's nice the options
>> are out
>> there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of
>> WISPs only.
>>
>>
>> On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
>> > Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but
>> 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone
>> to any 5 GHz Client other than business.  I have 15 towers and
>> each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy.  So that is
>> 35+ Links.  Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in
>> my rain zone.  I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000
>> worth of licensed backhauls.  But for the price of one Licensed
>> link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever)  saving
>> me $100,000 when all is said and done.
>> >
>> > Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for
>> Customer?  Heck Yes!!  But that is not the reality I live in.
>> >
>> > Steve Barnes
>> > General Manager
>> > PCSWIN.com <http://PCSWIN.com>
>> > Howard LLC.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>> >
>> > I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> >> Higher one way throughput.
>> >> More channels to choose from.
>> >> DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
>> >> External antennas.
>> >> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things
>> >> that vary like X-pol and F/B.
>> >> Lower power consumption.
>> >> Standard PoE.
>> >> Etc.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -
>> >> Mike Hammett
>> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> >> http://www.ics-il.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC
>> >>
>> omputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-
>> >> computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> >>
>> >>
>> --
>> >> --
&

Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Matt Hoppes]

Yes... but not normally on 80MHz wide channels...

On 8/6/14, 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> It is by far and away the most prevalent method...  ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> 
> 
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:03:11 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
> 
> I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Higher one way throughput.
>> More channels to choose from.
>> DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
>> External antennas.
>> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that
>> vary like X-pol and F/B.
>> Lower power consumption.
>> Standard PoE.
>> Etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> 
>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>>
>> THanks Josh!
>> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?
>>
>> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
>> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
>> And latency is higher than an airFiber
>>
>> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device?
>>
>> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> submit comments for approval / additions please
>>>
>>> I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of
>>> it I'm lazy on.
>>>
>>> TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel
>>> width table
>>>
>>> Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an
>>> RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Matt Hoppes]

I totally understand, Steve.

What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz
backhauls ew.  I guess we'll say.  It's nice the options are out
there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only.


On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz 
> backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz 
> Client other than business.  I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths 
> in and out for redundancy.  So that is 35+ Links.  Most are 5 miles or more 
> so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone.  I can't afford to just go out and 
> buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls.  But for the price of one Licensed 
> link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever)  saving me $100,000 
> when all is said and done.  
> 
> Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer?  Heck 
> Yes!!  But that is not the reality I live in.
> 
> Steve Barnes
> General Manager
> PCSWIN.com
> Howard LLC.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
> 
> I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Higher one way throughput.
>> More channels to choose from.
>> DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
>> External antennas.
>> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things 
>> that vary like X-pol and F/B.
>> Lower power consumption.
>> Standard PoE.
>> Etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC
>> omputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-
>> computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>>
>> THanks Josh!
>> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?
>>
>> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
>> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
>> And latency is higher than an airFiber
>>
>> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device?
>>
>> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP
>> OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> submit comments for approval / additions please
>>>
>>> I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some 
>>> of it I'm lazy on.
>>>
>>> TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / 
>>> channel width table
>>>
>>> Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of 
>>> an
>>> RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Matt Hoppes]

I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.



On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Higher one way throughput.
> More channels to choose from.
> DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
> External antennas.
> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that
> vary like X-pol and F/B.
> Lower power consumption.
> Standard PoE.
> Etc.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> 
> 
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
> 
> THanks Josh!
> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?
> 
> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
> And latency is higher than an airFiber
> 
> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device?
> 
> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> submit comments for approval / additions please
>>
>> I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of
>> it I'm lazy on.
>>
>> TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel
>> width table
>>
>> Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an
>> RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Matt Hoppes]

THanks Josh!
I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?

H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
And latency is higher than an airFiber

What's the "amazing" thing about this new device?

On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
> 
> submit comments for approval / additions please
> 
> I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of 
> it I'm lazy on.
> 
> TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel 
> width table
> 
> Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an 
> RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

[Matt Hoppes]

The PtMP.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> What are you "what"ing?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> 
> ----
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:08:12 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
> 
> Wait... whut?
> 
> 
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
> 
> On 8/5/14, 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> Jamie,
>>
>> We're incredibly excited by your announcement, and eagerly await PtMP ;)
>>
>> Josh Reynolds, CIO
>> SPITwSPOTS
>> www.spitwspots.com
>>
>> On 08/05/2014 11:30 AM, Jaime Fink wrote:
>>> 4 for the same channel is our general recommendation for the
>>> integrated antenna, angles will vary based on link power/distances,
>>> worst case is about 85 +/- 5 degrees, if we're going for max
> performance.
>>>
>>> That doesn't limit colocation on the tower at 4, that number can go up
>>> of course in different channels, and channel widths.
>>>
>>> We're finishing off a "colocation planner" in our cloud tools that
>>> automates those answers for you based on your radio location link
>>> plans, coming soon!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jaime
>>>
>>> On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:12 PM, "Mike Hammett" >> <mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks a bunch!
>>>>
>>>> So then is there a hard limit of 4 radios per location or is that
>>>> just best you could do with the integrated antenna model?
>>>>
>>>> Must there be an even distribution (every 90*)? I assume not, so
>>>> what's the minimum isolation?
>>>>
>>>> If I had 6' super high performance dishes, could I put more than 4
>>>> radios up? Not that I'm likely to use dishes that big, but I do have
>>>> towers with four backhauls already and I would like some more in
>>>> other directions.
>>>>
>>>> Just trying to figure out where the number four came from and how
>>>> hard is that number.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>
>>>>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> *From: *"Jaime Fink" mailto:ja...@mimosa.co>>
>>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" >>> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:38:12 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
>>>>
>>>> Mike,
>>>>
>>>> Definitely wanted to clarify on your question/comment on colocation
>>>> capacities for the group.
>>>>
>>>> For the B5 backhaul PTP technology, colocation is in separate
>>>> directional paths, so 4 of the B5s can be colocated sharing the same
>>>> channels, but must be directionally coordinated, this leverages
>>>> integrated 1PPS GPS+GLONASS TDMA sync.
>>>>
>>>> As Fred pointed out nicely, the B5 has a fantastic aperture
>>>> efficiency integrated antenna that is about as clean as there is out
>>>> there, and the RF isolation techniques needed to get us to that
>>>> performance.
>>>>
>>>> No magic pixie dust, just great technology.
>>>>
>>>> Looking to the future, for sharing the same antenna pattern/path, I
>>>> absolutely see these capacities, but that will more be leveraged for
>>>> PTMP beamforming and MU-MIMO technology shared across multiple
>>>> clients. We’re on public record about the work that we’re doing 

Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

[Matt Hoppes]

Wait... whut?


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 8/5/14, 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> Jamie,
> 
> We're incredibly excited by your announcement, and eagerly await PtMP ;)
> 
> Josh Reynolds, CIO
> SPITwSPOTS
> www.spitwspots.com
> 
> On 08/05/2014 11:30 AM, Jaime Fink wrote:
>> 4 for the same channel is our general recommendation for the
>> integrated antenna, angles will vary based on link power/distances,
>> worst case is about 85 +/- 5 degrees, if we're going for max performance. 
>>
>> That doesn't limit colocation on the tower at 4, that number can go up
>> of course in different channels, and channel widths. 
>>
>> We're finishing off a "colocation planner" in our cloud tools that
>> automates those answers for you based on your radio location link
>> plans, coming soon!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jaime
>>
>> On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:12 PM, "Mike Hammett" > <mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks a bunch!
>>>
>>> So then is there a hard limit of 4 radios per location or is that
>>> just best you could do with the integrated antenna model?
>>>
>>> Must there be an even distribution (every 90*)? I assume not, so
>>> what's the minimum isolation?
>>>
>>> If I had 6' super high performance dishes, could I put more than 4
>>> radios up? Not that I'm likely to use dishes that big, but I do have
>>> towers with four backhauls already and I would like some more in
>>> other directions.
>>>
>>> Just trying to figure out where the number four came from and how
>>> hard is that number.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>
>>> 
>>> *From: *"Jaime Fink" mailto:ja...@mimosa.co>>
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" >> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:38:12 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
>>>
>>> Mike, 
>>>
>>> Definitely wanted to clarify on your question/comment on colocation
>>> capacities for the group. 
>>>
>>> For the B5 backhaul PTP technology, colocation is in separate
>>> directional paths, so 4 of the B5s can be colocated sharing the same
>>> channels, but must be directionally coordinated, this leverages
>>> integrated 1PPS GPS+GLONASS TDMA sync. 
>>>
>>> As Fred pointed out nicely, the B5 has a fantastic aperture
>>> efficiency integrated antenna that is about as clean as there is out
>>> there, and the RF isolation techniques needed to get us to that
>>> performance. 
>>>
>>> No magic pixie dust, just great technology.
>>>
>>> Looking to the future, for sharing the same antenna pattern/path, I
>>> absolutely see these capacities, but that will more be leveraged for
>>> PTMP beamforming and MU-MIMO technology shared across multiple
>>> clients. We’re on public record about the work that we’re doing with
>>> our partner Quantenna on their next generation technology they’ve
>>> announced for 2015 called 10G Wi-Fi. You can imagine the amount of
>>> compute that takes, bordering more on magic pixie dust! 
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>>
>>> *Jaime Fink* • *Mimosa* • *Chief Product Officer*
>>> 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co
>>> <http://www.mimosa.co>
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Mike Hammett >> <mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >From a TechCrunch article:
>>>
>>> The B5 backhaul radi

Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

[Matt Hoppes]

Rather have that != general population.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 8/5/14, 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> It does say that manual control is available for those that would rather
> have that.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> 
> ----
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:18:02 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
> 
> Auto everything? :(
> 
> 
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
> 
> On 8/5/14, 11:16 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> Oh dear so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz spectrum?
>>
>> AF5 + Mimosa
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt Hoppes
>> Director of Information Technology
>> Indigo Wireless
>> +1 (570) 723-7312
>>
>> On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
>>> Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author of "Learn
>>> RouterOS- Second Edition
>>> <http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm>”  
>  
>>>
>>>  Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support
>>> Services
>  
>>>
>>>  Office*: 314-735-0270  *Website*:
>>> http://www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> – *Skype*:
>>> linktechs
>>>   
>  
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>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:49 AM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
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>>>
>>> President
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

[Matt Hoppes]

Just more 5GHz being chewed up on backahuls.

I thought Mimosa was coming out with another frequency :(


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On 8/5/14, 11:18 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Mimosa is the best looking 5 GHz backhaul out there now.
> 
> What's your beef with the Mimosa?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
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> 
> ----
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:16:48 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
> 
> Oh dear so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz spectrum?
> 
> AF5 + Mimosa
> 
> 
> 
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
> 
> On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
>> Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J
>>
>>  
>>
>> *_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author of "Learn
>> RouterOS- Second Edition
>> <http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm>”  
>  
>>
>>  Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support
>> Services  
>
>>
>>  Office*: 314-735-0270  *Website*:
>> http://www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> – *Skype*:
>> linktechs
>> 
>> */ /**/-- Create Wireless Coverage’s with /*www.towercoverage.com
>> <http://www.towercoverage.com/>*//*/–*900Mhz – LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV
>> Whitespace  */
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:49 AM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
>>
>>  
>>
>> http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> President
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com>  
>>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
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>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

[Matt Hoppes]

Auto everything? :(


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 8/5/14, 11:16 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Oh dear so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz spectrum?
> 
> AF5 + Mimosa
> 
> 
> 
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
> 
> On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
>> Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J
>>
>>  
>>
>> *_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author of "Learn
>> RouterOS- Second Edition
>> <http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm>”  
>>   
>>
>>  Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support
>> Services 
>>   
>>
>>  Office*: 314-735-0270  *Website*:
>> http://www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> – *Skype*:
>> linktechs
>> 
>> */ /**/-- Create Wireless Coverage’s with /*www.towercoverage.com
>> <http://www.towercoverage.com/>*//*/–*900Mhz – LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV
>> Whitespace  */
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:49 AM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
>>
>>  
>>
>> http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> President
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com>   
>>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

[Matt Hoppes]

Oh dear so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz spectrum?

AF5 + Mimosa



Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
> Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J
> 
>  
> 
> *_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author of "Learn
> RouterOS- Second Edition
> <http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm>”   
>  
> 
>  Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support
> Services  
>  
> 
>  Office*: 314-735-0270  *Website*:
> http://www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> – *Skype*:
> linktechs
> 
> */ /**/-- Create Wireless Coverage’s with /*www.towercoverage.com
> <http://www.towercoverage.com/>*//*/–*900Mhz – LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV
> Whitespace  */
> 
>  
> 
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:49 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> 
> President
> 
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 
> www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com>   
> 
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

[Matt Brendle]

Thanks Faisal.

 

Your link was especially helpful.  I had been going by the AirMax DSCP/TOS 
mapping chart from 2012 and it seems the TOS I had set for voice is now 
considered Background.

 

-Matt

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 10:27 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

 

We are. 

 

There are number of things to check for

 

Not knowing much about your network setup 

 

Making assumption that your BH and AP's are not over loaded.

Making assumption that your MT's are not over loaded

Making assumption that your Queue mech. are not an issue...

Making assumption that there is no packet loss on the network path from 
customer to the VOIP Provider's (SIP & RTP proxy)

 

Basic fundamentals are as follows:-  (think of peeling an onion, starting from 
the core going outwards).

 

SIP Voice is two types of packets... SIP Signaling   and RTP (Real time Packets 
/ Voice or video)

Most providers will mark their outbound SIP & RTP with appropriate DSCP (qos) 
markings (feel free to google for info).

Most ATA's will mark outbound SIP & RPT with appropriate DSCP (802.1p qos) 
markings.

 

Most Wireless Radio Mfg, when they support QOS, they will respect these 
markings, and handle traffic appropriately, (unless they run into other 
issues,, e.g. high pps rates etc).

http://wiki.ubnt.com/AirMax_-_QoS_DSCP/TOS_Mappings

 

FYI, with UBNT qos handling varied with  Firmware Version...e.g. " BOLD - 
special mapping cases starting from v5.5.4 Before v5.5.4 DSCP 46 go to WME 
Video, DSCP 26 go to WME Best Effort."

 

 

--

Double Check the ATA's  QOS Packet Marking...to make sure that Default DSCP 
Marking is what you are expecting...

 

---

 

The other thing you need to check on is Jitter buffer  settings. you may 
want to enable it and set it for for something like 100 to 150, to see if it 
improves stuff.

 

-

 

FYI, the biggest problem with VOIP and Fixed Wireless, is  Packet Loss, and 
Jitter (this is more troublesome .. some packets arrive on time, other are 
delayed, and some are out of order)

 

==

 

 

Feel free to ping me off list if you need more info. or have questions.

 

Regards.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>  

 

  _  

From: "Matt Brendle" mailto:mattagator.mailingli...@gmail.com> >
To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 3:56:33 PM
Subject: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

 

So a question for the masses.  We are selling VoIP services and the number of 
Support Calls we get about poor performance is more than I would expect.  Our 
basic setup is UBNT backhauls and APs, Mikrotik infrastructure routers, and 
CISCO/Linksys ATAs.  Primarily Vitelity accounts.  We get complaints of 
choppiness and other issues, and I wanted to see what others are using 
successfully.  I am currently making a test procedure to try to find out where 
the issue is, but if anybody has success stories and example setups that would 
be great.

 

I know that is a rather broad question, but I want to make this work and get 
our Support Calls down.

 

Matt – NC Wireless

 


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Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

[Matt Brendle]

Correct.  I am not planning on assuming anything.  We have assumed the network 
from our NOC to the SIP servers was good in the past.  That is going to be step 
1 in my process.  I will verify good quality from there and work my way back to 
the CPE.

 

-Matt

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Rubens Kuhl
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 6:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

 

 

 

On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Matt Brendle 
mailto:mattagator.mailingli...@gmail.com> > 
wrote:

So a question for the masses.  We are selling VoIP services and the number of 
Support Calls we get about poor performance is more than I would expect.  Our 
basic setup is UBNT backhauls and APs, Mikrotik infrastructure routers, and 
CISCO/Linksys ATAs.  Primarily Vitelity accounts.  We get complaints of 
choppiness and other issues, and I wanted to see what others are using 
successfully.  I am currently making a test procedure to try to find out where 
the issue is, but if anybody has success stories and example setups that would 
be great.

 

I know that is a rather broad question, but I want to make this work and get 
our Support Calls down.

 

 

Besides the air side of the question, how is the network side ? How good is the 
connection from your network to the Vitelity SIP and media servers ? 

Although I would guess your issue is on the air side, good diagnosing starts by 
not assuming anything... 

 

Rubens

 

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Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

[Matt Brendle]

Larry,

Thanks for the feedback.  I have a mix of ATAs deployed, but I am going to
make sure they all have the right DSCP flags set for Airmax to prioritize.
I will also take your advice on sniffing and include in my testing.  That
way I can make sure the flag isn't getting stripped off somewhere on my
network.

Anybody else with suggestions/info?  I welcome all input no matter how minor
or critical it may seem.

-Matt

-Original Message-
From: l...@mwtcorp.net [mailto:l...@mwtcorp.net] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 4:59 PM
To: WISPA General List; Matt Brendle
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:56:33 -0400
  "Matt Brendle"  wrote:
> So a question for the masses.  We are selling VoIP services and the 
> number of Support Calls we get about poor performance is more than I would
expect.
> Our basic setup is UBNT backhauls and APs, Mikrotik infrastructure 
> routers, and CISCO/Linksys ATAs.  Primarily Vitelity accounts.  We get 
> complaints of choppiness and other issues, and I wanted to see what 
> others are using successfully.  I am currently making a test procedure 
> to try to find out where the issue is, but if anybody has success 
> stories and example setups that would be great.
> 

We've been doing VOIP across dsl, dedicated and wireless circuits for years.
It's a fairly simple engineering task that is very detail oriented. Jitter
is the killer. I have and am using Cisco, Force 10, Mikrotik, UBNT, Radwin
and MRV equipment. They all work but you have to look for any possible spot
where there can be congestion and plan a way through. Mikrotik's are
particularity difficult because they don't re-order packets. You make room
by throwing something else away. Like everything Mikrotik it takes some
middle to both edges thinking.

Regularly sniff your voice traffic and be sure that the dscp/tos codes are
there. Some switches/ providers will remove them. You can build an entire
network with a pristine voice channel in it to find your voip running best
effort. I have had that happen more than once.

Also remember adding bandwidth on one link can create two or more new
congestion points someplace else. details, details, details but once you get
it right it's something to behold.

> 
> 
> I know that is a rather broad question, but I want to make this work 
> and get our Support Calls down.
> 
> 
> 
> Matt - NC Wireless
> 
> 
> 

Larry Ash
Network Administrator
Mountain West Telephone
123 W 1st St.
Casper, WY 82601
Office 307 233-8387

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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over cat3 options

[Matt Jenkins]

http://www.netsys-direct.com/Ethernet_Extenders_s/1814.htm

Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 07/29/2014 03:59 PM, Brett Woollum wrote:
We've used the StarTech ones with a lot of success. They've worked 
well for us in cases where running a new Ethernet line would be very 
time consuming, or in cases where it's too far for Ethernet.


http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-VDSL2-Ethernet-Extender-Single/dp/B002CLKFTG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1406674722&sr=8-1&keywords=startech+vdsl

Unfortunately Amazon is about $35 more per pair now... Not sure what 
changed.


Brett Woollum
Senior Sales Engineer
br...@tekify.com

*Tekify Broadband Internet Services*
Web: http://www.tekify.com
Phone: 510-266-5800, ext 6200


*From: *"Gino Villarini" 
*To: *"WISPA General List" 
*Sent: *Tuesday, July 29, 2014 3:54:41 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over cat3 options

Will try, thanks!



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Jon Hebb mailto:j...@hebbnetworks.com>>
Reply-To: WISPA General List >

Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 at 6:41 PM
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over cat3 options

To add to what Chris said, these VDSL2 extenders are very reliable and 
probably your best bet. I've used a few them in a rural summer camp 
install.



On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Chris Ruschmann > wrote:


Look at using some VDSL2 extenders. Easiest way and we get around
70Mbps over 1 pair.

We using theplanet extenders


http://www.dsl-warehouse.com/product_info.php?cPath=55&products_id=295&osCsid=e2bffc541684f5e30d8ffd031df783a0

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2014 2:37 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* [WISPA] Ethernet over cat3 options

Any options for a 600’ cat3 Ethernet solution with over 50mbps
capacity for download?

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com 

@aeronetpr


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Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

[Matt Brendle]

Nope.  Public IP on the CPE.  CPE is set to router mode and then we are
doing DMZ to the ATA.  Customer router sits behind ATA so local QOS is being
handled by the ATA.

 

I am doing traffic shaping in the CPE, but with VoIP customers we disable
bursting.  Other than that I don't do any prioritizing.

 

-Matt

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 4:00 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

 

Is the VOIP traffic encapsulated in any way, such as EoIP, PPPoE, etc?

If so, AirMax will not be able to prioritize it correctly, assuming the
correct DSCP value is assigned to the traffic to begin with.

Josh Reynolds, CIO
SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com> 

On 07/31/2014 11:56 AM, Matt Brendle wrote:

So a question for the masses.  We are selling VoIP services and the number
of Support Calls we get about poor performance is more than I would expect.
Our basic setup is UBNT backhauls and APs, Mikrotik infrastructure routers,
and CISCO/Linksys ATAs.  Primarily Vitelity accounts.  We get complaints of
choppiness and other issues, and I wanted to see what others are using
successfully.  I am currently making a test procedure to try to find out
where the issue is, but if anybody has success stories and example setups
that would be great.

 

I know that is a rather broad question, but I want to make this work and get
our Support Calls down.

 

Matt - NC Wireless

 






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[WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

[Matt Brendle]

So a question for the masses.  We are selling VoIP services and the number
of Support Calls we get about poor performance is more than I would expect.
Our basic setup is UBNT backhauls and APs, Mikrotik infrastructure routers,
and CISCO/Linksys ATAs.  Primarily Vitelity accounts.  We get complaints of
choppiness and other issues, and I wanted to see what others are using
successfully.  I am currently making a test procedure to try to find out
where the issue is, but if anybody has success stories and example setups
that would be great.

 

I know that is a rather broad question, but I want to make this work and get
our Support Calls down.

 

Matt - NC Wireless

 

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Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

[Matt Hoppes]

Or the beginning of new business opportunities for smaller companies.

On 7/31/14, 11:07 AM, Clay Stewart wrote:
> Or the beginning of new law suits
> 
> On Jul 31, 2014 10:38 AM, "Josh Luthman"  > wrote:
> 
> 
> http://www.droid-life.com/2014/07/30/12-a-month-for-facebook-sprint-tramples-over-net-neutrality-with-new-prepaid-plan/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+DroidLife+%28Droid+Life%29&utm_content=FaceBook
> 
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Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling

[Matt Hoppes]

😳

> On Jul 7, 2014, at 1:55 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Seems pointless nowadays to do any of this, so I know I am not expecting it 
> to happen with AT&T or Verizon.  Who uses voice minutes any more?
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> 
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Brian Webster  
>> wrote:
>> I don’t remember the actual protocol but it is in the standards for cellular 
>> somewhere. This company www.republicwireless.com is doing it with CDMA as 
>> well. I have been a beta tester for them since their inception. It works and 
>> works well on just about any Wi-Fi connection that does not have horrible 
>> latency.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thank You,
>> 
>> Brian Webster
>> 
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>> 
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Coenraad Loubser
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 2:45 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Has anyone looked at exactly how T-Mobile's "Wi-Fi Calling" works? 
>> http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1680
>> 
>> I'm interested in what protocols they use, if there are any special 
>> provisions possible on the Wi-Fi network side, how reliable it is, and how 
>> seamlessly it works on your networks?
>> 
>> Reason being, IOS 8 is adding similar functionality. Isn't this bound to 
>> rock the "voice boat" somewhat, and start re-slicing the pie?
>> 
>> On a related note, is anyone invoicing any of the incumbents for data used 
>> by their customers in some sort of data offloading agreement, yet?
>> 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Coenraad Loubser
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site

[Matt Hardy]

I read it to infer that the "non-Lite" version will have airPrism :)
http://www.ubnt.com/broadband/technology/


On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Matt,
>
> The first post asked: "What does the LITE mean in the new Rocket M5 AC
> Lite?"
>
> in which Ben totally skipped over answering it...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Matt Hardy  wrote:
>
>>
>> http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-General-Discussion/Rocket-M5-AC-Lite/m-p/900726#U900726
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:41 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> I saw that as well. But again, if this is the "Lite" product, is there a
>>> higher level product to come, perhaps with GPS?
>>>
>>> Daniel Mullen
>>> ISN Inc.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman  wrote ..
>>> > Says PTMP comes with a firmware upgrade.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Josh Luthman
>>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> > 1100 Wayne St
>>> > Suite 1337
>>> > Troy, OH 45373
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Zach Underwood 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Have a look at this http://www.ubnt.com/airmax/rocket-ac/
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:44 PM,  wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> So if this is the 'Rocket M5 AC PTP Lite' you should expect
>>> something
>>> > >> above this as well. Any ideas?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Daniel Mullen
>>> > >> ISN Inc.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Gino Villarini  wrote ..
>>> > >> >
>>> > >>
>>> https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=527992&fcc_id=SWX-RM5ACPTP
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Gino A. Villarini
>>> > >> > President
>>> > >> > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> > >> > www.aeronetpr.com
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site

[Matt Hardy]

http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-General-Discussion/Rocket-M5-AC-Lite/m-p/900726#U900726


On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:41 PM,  wrote:

> I saw that as well. But again, if this is the "Lite" product, is there a
> higher level product to come, perhaps with GPS?
>
> Daniel Mullen
> ISN Inc.
>
> Josh Luthman  wrote ..
> > Says PTMP comes with a firmware upgrade.
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Zach Underwood 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Have a look at this http://www.ubnt.com/airmax/rocket-ac/
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:44 PM,  wrote:
> > >
> > >> So if this is the 'Rocket M5 AC PTP Lite' you should expect something
> > >> above this as well. Any ideas?
> > >>
> > >> Daniel Mullen
> > >> ISN Inc.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Gino Villarini  wrote ..
> > >> >
> > >>
> https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=527992&fcc_id=SWX-RM5ACPTP
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Gino A. Villarini
> > >> > President
> > >> > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> > >> > www.aeronetpr.com
> > >> > @aeronetpr
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