[WISPA] Job Posting

[Robert Zeff via Wireless]

Broadband Installer and Field Service Technician


Broadband Installation Technician and Wireless troubleshooter

  Nikola Broadband is looking to fill an immediate position for a Broadband
Installation Technician with a strong network and wireless troubleshooting
skills.
   The person we are looking to hire for this job will have excellent
communication skills, be computer literate, and possess at least an
intermediate level ability to troubleshoot a fixed wireless network. 
   These skills include finding the line of sight paths for wireless
connectivity, judging signal levels adequate to provide a reliable service,
and the ability to read and understand terrain maps.  This role also
requires a working knowledge of TCP/IP networking and basic network
troubleshooting. 

 

Responsibilities will include:

·Supporting and installing both fixed wireless broadband, and
fiber-optic internet installations

·Speak with customers in person, to provide broadband service and
troubleshooting

·Maintain a positive image of Nikola Broadband and its affiliates
·Assisting in the documentation and improvement of our existing
customer support systems and processes
·Keeping current on wireless technologies as they are now used, or
anticipated to be used by Nikola Broadband
·Maintaining knowledge of wireless radio vendors.  This includes
their licensing status, bandwidth, frequency, and method of operation. 


 Salary:  

 Hourly rate $20 - $34 per hour.  Negotiated compensation depends on skill
set, experience, and a commitment to maintaining the availability of
services.


 Benefits:
Paid birthday, vacation, and holiday days. Paid sick leave.  
 

Minimum Requirements:
·Solid troubleshooting and communication skills. 

·Fluent in English, both written and spoken
·Nothing that would disqualify a candidate from being insurable
while driving a company vehicle, or having access to sensitive records. 
·Comfortable working safely at heights, and while using a fall
arrest harness. 

·The work environment will include enclosed spaces and the
requirement to lift radios into position.

 

Our preferred candidates:

Will have the following qualifications: 
·Specific interest in and knowledge of wireless radio and
fiber-optic broadband deployments. 
·Hours are Monday - Friday 9:00 am to 5:30 pm  This position does
require participation in an on-call rotation schedule.
 
 We offer:
·A valued role at a local Internet company with over 14 years of
operational experience
·A variety of occupational duties & advanced learning environment
·A "promote from within" culture, including the possibility of rapid
advancement
·A compensation package above the industry standard offering. 


 Contact:

Please send a résumé highlighting your applicable skills and experience to
 j...@nikolabroadband.com

 

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[WISPA] Job Posting

[Robert Zeff]

Nikola Broadband

Sequim, WA, USA

Wireless Broadband Installer/Technician/Customer Service

Nikola Broadband is looking for a full-time Wireless Broadband Installer/
Technician/Customer Service rep. The person we will hire for this job will
be computer literate, have radio roof mount experience and should be a SELF
STARTER.  Job roles will rotate with existing employees as required.

Installer responsibilities will include:

. Broadband Wireless Installations

. Customer Computer configuration

. Climbing ladders and roofs

. Working with Power Tools and Equipment

. Driving to Customer Location

. Speak with customers on the phone and in person to provide Broadband
Installation Services and troubleshooting

. Maintain positive image of Nikola Broadband and its affiliates
. Continually improve knowledge of equipment and technologies used by Nikola
Broadband
. Formal education in networking or electrical engineering is a plus

Requirements include having a caring attitude towards customer needs and
expectations, positive mental attitude, a willingness to learn our systems
and express positive ways to improve our systems. Have great installation
skills and the ability and willingness to handle customer interaction in a
professional and courteous manner. .

Hours are Monday - Friday 9:00 am to 5:30 pm. 
Must have excellent driving record.

We offer:

. A leading local Broadband Wireless Internet company with over 14 years of
operation experience

. A very busy but exciting work environment

. A living wage

. A great employer

 

Contact: Send resume to: j...@nikolabroadband.com
 

Or call 360-582-1051

 

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[WISPA] Job Posting

[Robert Zeff]

Nikola Broadband

Sequim, WA, USA

Wireless Broadband Installer/Technician/Customer Service

Nikola Broadband is looking for a full-time Wireless Broadband Installer/
Technician/Customer Service rep. The person we will hire for this job will
be computer literate, have radio roof mount experience and should be a SELF
STARTER.  Job roles will rotate with existing employees as required.

Installer responsibilities will include:

. Broadband Wireless Installations

. Customer Computer configuration

. Climbing ladders and roofs

. Working with Power Tools and Equipment

. Driving to Customer Location

. Speak with customers on the phone and in person to provide Broadband
Installation Services and troubleshooting

. Maintain positive image of Nikola Broadband and its affiliates
. Continually improve knowledge of equipment and technologies used by Nikola
Broadband
. Formal education in networking or electrical engineering is a plus

Requirements include having a caring attitude towards customer needs and
expectations, positive mental attitude, a willingness to learn our systems
and express positive ways to improve our systems. Have great installation
skills and the ability and willingness to handle customer interaction in a
professional and courteous manner. .

Hours are Monday - Friday 9:00 am to 5:30 pm. 
Must have excellent driving record.

We offer:

. A leading local Broadband Wireless Internet company with over 14 years of
operation experience

. A very busy but exciting work environment

. A living wage

. A great employer

 

Contact: Send resume to: j...@nikolabroadband.com
 

Or call 360-582-1051

 

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[WISPA] Service in Finger Lakes?

[Robert Doty]

Hello WISPA community,

Does anyone offer service in the Finger Lakes area of New York; 
specifically the stretch between Keuka and Seneca lakes?

Thanks,
Rob

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Re: [WISPA] Test

[Robert]

Seems to be reversing, not rtnapssonig...

On 7/25/18 2:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> ...em ot enif smeeS
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 5:25 PM  > wrote:
> 
> Darn! Its STILL transposing letters. Will someone please fix the
> server?
> 
> __ __
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> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>   > *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2018 3:25 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List  >
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Test
> 
> __ __
> 
> tseT
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> __ __
> 
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 3:21 PM Blair Davis  > wrote:
> 
> Test
> 
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> Allegan, Michigan  49010
> 269-686-8648
> 
> A Division of:
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Re: [WISPA] 900MHz band

[Robert Andrews]

& he said deflecting, not eliminating...

On 06/21/2018 01:55 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>  >>> Isn't the device FCC certified?
> 
> That is no a valid 'defense' when it comes to tracking down the source 
> of interference.
> It is a position that helps in deflecting potential liability, which the 
> 2nd phase of the 'let's find who is messing with the spectrum process' .
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
> 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> 
> 
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, June 21, 2018 3:59:25 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] 900MHz band
> 
> Isn't the device FCC certified?
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 3:57 PM, Steve Barnes  > wrote:
> 
> We had an issue this week where we had a Power company have a
> 50K licensed band at 901.152 Mhz for power meter reading.  We
> have still a few older links that are 900MHz on Yagi’s to
> individuals in deep woods.  I had to move channels all over the
> place as a 902-912MHz 10Mhz channel with UBNT does not have edge
> filters that don’t pollute down to 901MHz.  So moving to the
> middle of the band cleaned up the noise on their license.
> 
> Now they are claiming that 10MHz channel width in the 900MHz ISM
> band is Illegal.  That the channel width is to be no larger than
> 8MHz. I have read all kinds of ISM docs from the FCC and I see
> no mention of max channel widths.  They made mention of talking
> to the FCC if we didn’t fix the issue.
> 
> Proof they are wrong any one?   This is a national company with
> a $10K Anritsu analyzer they hired in to find the noise.
> 
> *Steve Barnes*
> 
> Wireless Operations Manager
> 
> *New Lisbon Broadband*
> 
> *NLBC.COM *
> 
> *PCSWIN.COM *
> 
> 765-584-2288 ext:1101
> 
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Re: [WISPA] I though cambium had surge protection?

[Robert]

When the magic smoke just has to get out asap!

On 7/22/17 2:46 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
> Lol
> image1.PNG
> 
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> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
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[WISPA] Coverage west of Pittsburgh PA

[Robert Dillon]

Do any of you offer coverage in the area near the western PA area near the
Pittsburgh airport?  We have a customer that moved business into that area
and is struggling to find a 15/15Mb business connection.  There are no other
carriers in that area providing what he needs so I told him I'd see what I
could do.

 

If you offer service or know of someone that does please reply to me off
list.

 

Thank you.

 

Robert Dillon

In the Stix Broadband LLC, Co-Owner

814-472-2662 Office

 <mailto:rdil...@itxbb.net> rdil...@itxbb.net

 <http://www.itxbb.net/> www.itxbb.net

 

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Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

[Robert Dillon]

We also charge $5/IP/Mo for residential customers and one free IP for
business customers with $5/IP/Mo for additional IPs.  For subnet routed
customer IPs we do each on a case by case basis but that is very rare for
us.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Simon Westlake
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 10:29 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

 

When I was at TWC, we would give out up to a /24 to a customer if they could
justify it. Beyond that, we'd push them to go to ARIN. This was on fiber, if
they were on coax, it was super expensive (like $50+ for a /29)

There was list pricing on the static IPs, but it was one of the first things
to be discounted in negotiation. That being said, this was ~7 years ago. I
would look at what it will cost you to buy a /24 on the auction block, and
charge enough to be able to replace your IPs as you run out - that would be
the simplest justification. It's hard to compare to AT&T, as they probably
have a lot of unused space, and a lot more resources to be able to obtain
more.

On 2/2/2017 9:20 AM, Colton Conor wrote:

Agreed, but I need to be able to justify this pricing somehow. What does
AT&T charge if you get their Fiber MIS product? Is it unlimited with
justification or what? What are most fiber providers doing even the ones
that have extremely large blocks? 

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Tim Way  wrote:

Life in IPv4 is getting more expensive as scarcity increases.

 

On Feb 2, 2017 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor"  wrote:

So a /26 has 64 total IPs, but only 62 are useable. So you are saying you
would charge $5 - $10 per IP times 62 IPs? The cost of their statics would
then cost more than the actual service?

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Scott Pope  wrote:

We charge $8.50 per month/per IP for our Static IP addresses.  This has been
our pricing for 10+ years.   

 




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Network and Operations Officer

Arbuckle Communications, LLC

Office: 580-226-1234  

Mobile: 580-277-1108  

sp...@arbucklecomm.com

www.arbucklecomm.com

"We Are Built For Business"

 

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net 
wrote:

$5/month/IP

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

 Original message 

From: Judd Dare  

Date: 2/1/17 9:28 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: WISPA General List  

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing 

 

Typical cost is around $1-2/IP/Month with various fiber providers.

I've been planning to charge something like $10-20/IP/Mo for commercial in
order to only sell to people who really need it.

 

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Colton Conor  wrote:

How much do you charge business customers for static IPs? 

 

Comcast Business class cable internet charges

 1 - $14.95/mo.

 5 - $19.95/mo

 13 - $34.95/mo.

 

What do fiber providers charge?

 

I have a potential client that currently has a /27 with his current
provider, and would like at least a /27 or preferably a /26 from us.

 

We only have a /21 worth of space from ARIN. 


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Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

[Robert]

Department of redundancy department?

On 1/26/17 6:55 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Crown is just the latest in a series of fiber-related acquisitions Crown
> has done.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
>
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
>
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
> 
> *From: *"Faisal Imtiaz" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:40:46 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about
>
>
>
> Just to add to that
>
> a) Take all what Brian said below, and add to it the fact that, in many
> cities they are very quietly installing Micro-Pops, every few blocks,
> fiber feed (essentially replacing street light poles with, poles which
> are light poles and micropops).
>
> b) The noise and developments in LTE-U
>
> c) The very strange, over-priced acquisition of FPL-Fibernet by Crown Castle
>
> d) Relatively quite conversion, installation of GPON system on every
> building that ATT had a Metro Ethernet presence in.
>
> e) Hype and noise about Gigabit fiber delivery, installation of fiber
> based service in select areas, ATT Conversion of their select IFTL
> neighborhoods to Gigabit fiber..
>
> f) The rumblings about Cable Co's moving over the Docsis 3
>
> Granted that this is not ubiquitous across the nation.. but I can see
> the competitive service providers could easily be starved out by the
> choke hold on being able to deliver/buy/have access to  fat pipe
> especially in the middle mile.
>
> I think in most major metro areas the perceived minimum base level of
> service offering is going to hit high triple digit numbers in terms of
> bandwidth i.e. 200meg,300meg,500meg etc... we are already seeing
> customer expectations  /  perceptions around 100meg.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Brian Webster" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:46:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about
>
>> Remember, Verizon bought XO Communications. XO has 24 GHz and 39 GHz
>> spectrum over most of the country, so now Verizon owns that spectrum. They
>> seem to be taking the same approach Windstream and Google are for last
> mile
>> connectivity, but Verizon owns the spectrum. Windstream is leasing
> spectrum
>> in these same bands from Straightpath (http://straightpath39.com/) and
>> Google is looking to build in 70 and 80 GHz with E-Band licenses.  All of
>> the sudden the WISP industry looks good enough for the big boys to do it
>> too. Cambridge Networks has PTMP radios for these bands already, 600
> meg per
>> sector. Hang them on the fiber at the pole and create a very small
> cell type
>> system. This will work great for backhaul on their Pico cellular network
>> expansion for LTE/Cellular as well as a good tool for FTTH and Business
>> class circuits.
>>
>> http://cbnl.com/vectastar-600
>>
>> http://cbnl.com/vectastar-platform-introduction
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:19 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about
>>
>> On 1/25/2017 11:58 AM, Marco Coelho wrote:
>>> Some of my friends at Verizon are talking a major shift in their Fiber
>>> Deployment.
>>> They have decided Fiber to the Home is non practical.  They have
>>> adopted a fiber to the pedestal scheme with the last part of the
>>> connectivity being wireless to the home.  Details on bands used have
>>> not been provided, but that is apparently their new model. They have
>>> sold their copper plant in Texas to Frontier as a part of this plan.
>>> Interesting times.
>>
>> That's right.  FiOS is basically over, for new builds. Too expensive.
> It is
>> mostly down to some FTTPR (fiber to the press release). They told Boston
>> that they would build FiOS there. Lots of good press last year.
>> But they actually had built out some neighborhoods about a decade ago, and
>> simply not activated it. So now they're activating it and claiming it's a
>> new build. But in the meantime they are planning massive d

Re: [WISPA] Cybermonday deals?

[Robert]

Like the website that I always wanted to bring up...  "Buy a clue- $1" 
Figured it would rake it in...

On 11/28/16 7:48 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Yes. I'm asking customers to pay us $5 for no reason.
>
> On Nov 28, 2016, at 10:05, Gino Villarini  > wrote:
>
>>
>> Anyone doing Cybermonday deals?
>>
>> here’s ours:
>>
>> http://www.aeronetpr.com/cybermonday/
>>
>> *//*
>>
>> *//*
>>
>> */Gino Villarini/*
>>
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot service for MT

[Robert Clark]

I to have been using radius manager
For about 8 years


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Dan Harling
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 10:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot service for MT

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Scott Piehn  wrote:
> I am looking for recommendations from anyone using a radius server for 
> MT hotspot authentication and billing for temporary service.  Ours 
> needs to be replaced

We've been using RadiusManager, albeit on a modest scale, for years.

Daniel Harling  <><
Engineering, Cape Ann Communications
183 Main Street, Gloucester, MA  01930
harl...@capeanncomm.com
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Re: [WISPA] CenturyLink ... Will They Work With A WISP?

[Robert Dillon]

We have used a Century Link 100Mb circuit for years since it was taken over 
from Qwest in our area.  It is a solid circuit, but quite pricey.  We have 
moved away from it a few years ago.  Per megabit went down to a 1/4 of the 
price of Century Link.



-Rob



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Of tandr...@ncidata.com
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:57 AM
To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CenturyLink ... Will They Work With A WISP?



>From my experience they are outrageously overpriced.



-Tim A



From: Joe   Miller

Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 8:46 AM

To: 'WISPA General   List'

Subject: Re: [WISPA] CenturyLink ... Will They Work With A WISP?



I have had some not so good experiences with their bonded T-1’s in the past. 
Maybe things have gotten better now.



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Tim Way
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:41 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] CenturyLink ... Will They Work With A WISP?



Does anyone have experience working with CenturyLink in regards to getting a 
proper circuit from that will legally allow you to resell bandwidth on it? In 
particular I know of a remote area that can get residential DSL but for miles 
and miles after that there is nothing. My hope is CenturyLink would convert 
that a business service would allow me to resell it. I'd be willing to extend 
from there outwards into areas that are completely without non satellite or 
cellular service.



Some quick Google work shows up only 1 relevant result and it would seem I 
would need to be a CLEC to make that work.



Being the peach they are usually to work with just looking for what others have 
experienced before I try to work through some phone trees at CenturyLink.



Thanks,



Tim

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Re: [WISPA] CenturyLink ... Will They Work With A WISP?

[Robert Clark]

We have their fiber product they actually beat all other quotes for our area 
you do need to look at their contract closely we forced them to rewrite it to 
make it ok to resale we have a great sales guy so if you need anything else 
feel free to hit me off list





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
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Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 9:12 AM
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Yep, It was for re-distribution. Before the Merger/buyout we were quoted 800 a 
month for a 100mb Port with 100/100 Capacity. After the merger

the price is $4000 a month.



-Tim A



From: Tim Way 

Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 8:59 AM

To: WISPA General List 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] CenturyLink ... Will They Work With A WISP?



Thanks for the replies guys. So from both of your perspectives you were able to 
get legal service from them but you either had performance or cost issues?



Thanks,



Tim



On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 10:57 AM,  wrote:

>From my experience they are outrageously overpriced.



-Tim A



From: Joe Miller 

Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 8:46 AM

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] CenturyLink ... Will They Work With A WISP?



I have had some not so good experiences with their bonded T-1’s in the past. 
Maybe things have gotten better now.



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Tim Way
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:41 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] CenturyLink ... Will They Work With A WISP?



Does anyone have experience working with CenturyLink in regards to getting a 
proper circuit from that will legally allow you to resell bandwidth on it? In 
particular I know of a remote area that can get residential DSL but for miles 
and miles after that there is nothing. My hope is CenturyLink would convert 
that a business service would allow me to resell it. I'd be willing to extend 
from there outwards into areas that are completely without non satellite or 
cellular service.



Some quick Google work shows up only 1 relevant result and it would seem I 
would need to be a CLEC to make that work.



Being the peach they are usually to work with just looking for what others have 
experienced before I try to work through some phone trees at CenturyLink.



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[WISPA] Weather: Was...Re: AirFiber Snow issues

[Robert]

I think that the changes in the weather are throwing the models off. Our 
forecasts lately have been luck to be accurate 2-3 days out... This last 
blast of weather, arriving Sunday-Monday wasn't on the forecast till 
last night...

On 01/10/2015 06:10 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> I don't think the rain regions are accurate any longer, given the more
> intense storms that happen in many areas.
>
>
>
> -
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>
> 
> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Saturday, January 10, 2015 8:06:23 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
>
> You must not get very heavy rains or just put it up yesterday.  :-p
>
>
>
> -
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> 
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Friday, January 9, 2015 10:42:27 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
>
> Naw I have yet to have my 1.5 mile airFiber go down or even
> de-modulate past 6x in rain.
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
> On 1/9/15 11:34 AM, Adair Winter wrote:
>  > good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area.
>  >
>  > On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark   > <mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com>> wrote:
>  >
>  > Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the
>  >     front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it
>  > and degrade and possibly take down the link?
>  >
>  > Has anyone seen this 
>  >
>  > We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime
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[WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues

[Robert Clark]

Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of
the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and
possibly take down the link?

Has anyone seen this 

We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime

 

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Re: [WISPA] BGR on 3.5

[Robert]

Cool, Google should buy up a huge swath of 3GHz spectrum at auction and 
"Give" it to the public...   Makes sense to me  :)

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> http://bgr.com/2015/01/06/google-vs-verizon-att-wireless/
>
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Re: [WISPA] Happy New Year. BE SAFE!

[Robert Andrews]

& thinks about population control at the same time!!!


On 12/31/2014 02:12 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:


And smart and beautiful too!

*Patrick Leary*

***M*727.501.3735

<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>


*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Robert Andrews

*Sent:* Wednesday, December 31, 2014 5:12 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Happy New Year. BE SAFE!

What a great Wife Seriously a keeper!

On 12/31/2014 01:58 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:

God help the Leary family. My wife just walked in with an armful
of fireworks. I've four kids 9-13. Currently they have all their
fingers and toes. Oochie momma.

Happy New everyone.

*Patrick Leary*

National Sales Director|**Telrad Networks Ltd.

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Re: [WISPA] Happy New Year. BE SAFE!

[Robert Andrews]

What a great Wife Seriously a keeper!


On 12/31/2014 01:58 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:


God help the Leary family. My wife just walked in with an armful of 
fireworks. I've four kids 9-13. Currently they have all their fingers 
and toes. Oochie momma.


Happy New everyone.

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Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

[Robert Andrews]

Well it's the invisible 800 lb gorilla for the rest of the tech in the 
Internet...



On 12/17/14 5:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Uhm not sure that's the industry that would sway something like that...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 17, 2014 8:39 PM, "Mike Hammett" > wrote:


If porn chooses WiMAX will it come back?



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





*From: *"Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
*To: *"WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
*Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:37:06 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

Well Wimax vs LTE I think was won when Verizon decided on it.

It's like Bluray vs HDDVD - porn chose Bluray. Or Beta vs VHS -
porn chose VHS.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Patrick Leary
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:

Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about
it being just like WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of
your pocket.

*Patrick Leary*

***M*727.501.3735 




*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org

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*Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

The next idea is always a better one.



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*From: *"Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
*To: *"WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
*Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same
thing you are now about WiMAX?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, "Patrick Leary"
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>>
wrote:

Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not
belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey
thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a
variety of small country fixed operators, not a global
standard operating across most bands and universally accepted
by carriers.

Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in
local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN),
LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted
Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a
macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model
for a deeply niche market).

*Patrick Leary*

*M*727.501.3735 




*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>>
wrote:

I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an
industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE R&D. There's more R&D
being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom
technology in history I suspect.

*Patrick Leary*

*M*727.501.3735 

  

Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced

[Robert]

on the 6K price, I agree with the licensed link comments and we are just
about to pull that trigger and this does NOT compete with a licensed
link at that price...

On 12/17/2014 11:13 AM, Ben Moore wrote:
> Here is one of the first units deployed:
> 
> http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber-Stories/AF24HD/cns-p/1131208
> 
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Josh Reynolds  > wrote:
> 
> Working great at six miles here in Alaska.
> 
> On December 17, 2014 9:58:58 AM AKST, Tim Reichhart
>  > wrote:
> 
> Here is my issue the af24 wouldnt work for me since I live in
> the Midwest and we get rain etc... it would only work about an
> mile or so not 8 mile shots when can you guys get an working
> 24Ghz airfiber to work in these types of weather climates?
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Ben Moore"  >
> To: "WISPA General List"  >
> Date: 12/17/14 01:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
> 
> and 50% more range...
>  
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds
> mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote:
> 
> 500Mbps technically :)
>  
> 
> On December 17, 2014 9:52:55 AM AKST, Gino Villarini
> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
> 
> Dang! 2x price for 250 mbps more, ouch!
> 
> 
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com   
> @aeronetpr
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> From: "ben.mo...@ubnt.com
> "  >
> Reply-To: WISPA General List  >
> Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 2:48 PM
> To: WISPA General List  >
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
> 
>  
> Hi Gino - 
> 
> Initial shipments are in transit to distributors so
> units will be received in early to mid January.
> 
> MSRP is $6k/link.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ben
>  
>  
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Gino Villarini
> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
> 
> Just got a email from UBNT
> 
> AF24HD announced, similar to AF24, bigger Rx
> dish (40db) 256 qam 1 Gbps Fdx
> 
> http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber/airfiber24/
> 
> No pricing or availability info, Ben?
> 
> 
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com   
> @aeronetpr
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Re: [WISPA] Grounding hardware/connector to bus bar

[Robert Nickerson]

Grounding lug

RAN

On 12/5/2014 6:54 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Does anyone know what these things are called (the double hole terminal
> that goes in the bus bar)?  Goes to 6 gauge grounding wire.
>
> http://imgur.com/MXMVHKi
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Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol....

[Robert]

Which brings up the question who amid this motley crew is Major Tom?
Or is that the devices?

On 12/03/2014 01:44 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
> to Major Tom
> 
>  
> 
> Sorry, the song's been in my head since this thread popped up.
> 
>  
> 
> *Patrick Leary*
> 
> ***M*727.501.3735
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2014 4:07 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol project
> 
>  
> 
> Didn't they change the provisioning mechanism in aircontrol 2? I thought
> they had moved from SSH to something that was supposed to be more efficient.
>  
> 
> 
> 
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Josh Reynolds
> [j...@spitwspots.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2014 2:56 PM
> *To:* wireless@wispa.org 
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol project
> 
> I've done a bit of work previously to reverse engineering the
> provisioning mechanism, and I see nothing that would be a problem
> collecting stats via that method. You'd still have to use groundcontrol
> to initially connect/provision the units first to exchange SSH keys, and
> you'd want it to be on a different ip that your previous aircontrol server.
> 
> A nasty thing about ubnt provisioning... if you replace the server on
> the same ip or a different ip, all of the radios that were previously
> provisioned will always try to connect to the old ip/server, which
> causes quite a bit of arp traffic.
> 
>  one thing I'd like to do is create a "cleanup tool" for that,
> though pssh (parallel ssh) + wireshark helped me clean up that mess
> "manually" in the past.
> 
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
> 
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 
> 
> On 12/03/2014 11:09 AM, Randy Cosby wrote:
> 
> Would it pay to see if UBNT would allow us to continue to use some
> of the provisioning mechanisms built into the radios for
> aircontrol?  It's nice to have subscriber units "phone home."
> 
> On 12/3/2014 12:39 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> 
> I was wondering if that might come about. Maybe another wisp that 
> uses 
> 
> their own software might offer something.
> 
>  
> 
> Mike Hammett wrote:
> 
> Further driven by today's post that summed up says, "We don't 
> care 
> 
> what you want. This is what you get."
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -
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> 
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> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds"  
> 
> 
> *To: *"WISPA General List"  
> , "Ubiquiti Users 
> 
> Group"  , 
> a...@afmug.com 
> 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 3, 2014 1:19:23 PM
> 
> *Subject: *[WISPA] groundcontrol project
> 
>  
> 
> For those of you who haven't heard, several of us started a new 
> 
> project yesterday.
> 
>  
> 
> https://github.com/esseph/groundcontrol
> 
>  
> 
> Licensing is tentatively set as falling under GPLv2.
> 
>  
> 
> We have already been offered code snippets, a dev box, a db 
> server, 
> 
> and several people have decided to volunteer time to make this 
> happen.
> 
>  
> 
> The initial idea is that the system itself will be free, with a 
> 
> possibly paid support/features option, or maybe a model similar 
> to 
> 
> observium where the is a "community" (free as in beer) version 
> that 
> 
> comes out every 6mo or so, and a "paid" version with newer 
> features 
> 
> and direct support. We're not sure yet, but we want to make this 
> 
> project accessible and fairly vendor-neutral.
> 
>  
> 
> If any of you could volunteer time, support, code, documentation, 
> 
> ideas, etc.it would be greatly appreciated. This is a project by 
> and 
> 
> for the WISP community. Thank you!
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Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

[Robert]

Ah the days of Covad, Northpoint, etc..   Racing to get high speed
internet to needy customers on VC dollars not knowing that behind their
backs a quick regulation change would make all that easy pickings for
the incumbents...   Those who do not learn from history are doomed to
repeat it..  Fred, please gaze into your magic ball of the past and give
us a clue to our future?  Are our collective necks starting to hover
over the ax block?

On 11/19/2014 08:32 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> Chuckle :)
> 
> You all don't know who Fred is :)
> 
> He has a weee bit of experience in these matters. :)
> 
> I am reading this discussion about Title II and having a  dejavu !!!
> 
> What you all see coming to our door steps in form of Title II via the FCC, is 
> pretty similar to what the we saw about 5 to 10 years ago on the wireline 
> side.. there it was 'de-regulation' or Forbearance from Title II 
> regulations.It is rather interesting and comical (sarcasm)  to see the 
> 'regulatory pendulum' swinging in the opposite direction...I wish there is a 
> way to turn all the arguments presented and accepted by the FCC at that time 
> to grant forbearance could be re-presented to them
> 
> And yes, Fred is a subject matter expert on Wireline Regulation /FCC... 
> (Think of him like a Steve Coran of the wireline world).
> 
> :)
> 
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
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> 
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Eric Tykwinski" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:10:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?
>>
>> Fred,
>>
>> It’s a little late, but damn, that was a good description of the problem.
>> I’m hoping and just hoping, that Wheeler understands exactly what the problem
>> really is.
>> Everyone thinks Title II is a hammer both on the ILEC and the public activist
>> side,
>> but in reality I hope that the FCC does have a bit more common sense and see
>> that competition is what will lead to the public good in the long run.
>>
>> Now if the lawyers can actually come up with something that will legally
>> stick, well that’s up in the air.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Eric Tykwinski
>> TrueNet, Inc.
>> P: 610-429-8300
>> F: 610-429-3222
>>
>>> On Nov 19, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Kevin Sullivan 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow, that was well thought out. I'd say that's a pretty good assessment!
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Fred Goldstein" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 8:26 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?
>>>
>>>
 On 11/19/2014 8:49 AM, Drew Lentz wrote:
> I put up a quick poll, results will be shared and are anonymous.
>
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3R6YTH9
>
> I'm curious to see what the percentages are between those that support
> and those that don't support the Title II argument. I've been trying
> to get a good feel for who would and wouldn't like it (mostly it seems
> carriers love it, web services hate it.) I have a feeling WISPs might
> be on the "hate it" side, but I'm interested to find out. Thanks for
> your answer and have a fantastic day!
>

 You asked the question very poorly, so there is no one correct answer.

 "Broadband" is an adjective. You don't regulate adjectives, you regulate
 nouns.  Broadband what? This is the fallacy of today's public discourse
 -- they are using this adjective as a noun without the noun, so
 different people use it to have different referents.

 I think I'm in pretty close harmony with the WISPA position here, given
 that Steve Coran chose me to help him give his NN talk in Vegas last
 month based on my detailed Comments on the topic to the FCC.  And I've
 been writing and Commenting on this for years. Several years ago I told
 the FCC that they were using this adjective as a noun, but that they
 could separate the two primary implied nouns by using a Spanish-language
 convention.  El Broadband would refer to the physical facility, the high
 speed transmission medium. La Broadband would refer to the content of
 the facility, including Internet service delivered over it.  (If you
 don't know Spanish, "el radio" is a device and "la radio" is a
 program.)  But in lawyer terms, El Broadband is the telecommunications
 component, and La Broadband is the information service riding atop it.

 The reason NN is a Thing is that the FCC, in 2005, threw away the law
 (TA96) and decided that telephone companies could stop being common
 carriers, stop providing ISPs with El Broadband (raw DSL), and simply
 sell La Broadband as a vertically-integrated service with exclusive
 access to their formerly common-carrier facilities.  So typical
 consumer

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

[Robert Andrews]

Net Neutrality is the magician waving his hands so we all look at that 
while the real magic is the mergers that make it all moot... 
Everybody, watch the hand...Don't watch the other one that is 
reaching into your back pocket...Mergers are good for 
politicians...   Bigger companies write way bigger checks to politicians...



On 11/19/2014 09:26 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
Title II is designed to breakup monopolies (i.e. Railroads, MaBell, 
Electric, Gas etc.)  everyone acts like it is the "Holy Grail" of free 
market capitalism to have the government step in and regulate 
everything your company wants to do. 


I'm not a monopoly...I have done nothing to deserve heavy handed 
government regulation oversight of everything i do.


This "Net Neutrality" BS is just that BS...They are trying to "fix" a 
problem that doesn't exist yet.


The real problem is that consumers have only the CableCo and TelCo as 
options for purchasing internet.  The government instead of regulating 
should encourage competition in the free market.  WISPs are one such 
competitor.


The government should also stop turning a blind eye to mergers like 
the Comcast & Time Warner merger that only exacerbates the problem and 
will lead us to the MaBell situation where you can get internet from 
one source only.


2 Cents

-sean

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Tim Way > wrote:


Here is my confusion on this issue. Everyone is acting like it is
the great harbinger for Internet companies. One of the biggest
problems I have is lack of clear information. I'm not saying I
have any of those answers for certainty but I will point a few
things I have picked up meanwhile donning my flame proof cap.

  * Requires us to be able to provide per service reporting of
traffic (I think of it as a port span or flow-analysis of a
particular service user, which is fairly easy to do and you
should already be able to do this)
  * Talks about potentially a 16% fee on service. This will not
make you shut your doors big or small because every provider
will have to do this and I can assure you in the long run no
one is eating that cost but the consumer. Also this is
fundamentally good for rural Americans. Rural areas have phone
service because of that fund when used properly. Now it would
include proper broadband access. This is the only risk I see
to the WISP model. There is nothing that says you can't play
both sides and become a participant in utilizing the USF to
build out infrastructure even if that means doing scary things
like diving into ground models like fiber.
  * The biggest one I have is fair treatment of traffic. To me
this is the default way to run an ISP. I don't want an ISP
that slows down certain traffic and I definitely don't want to
be the service provider that does that. I'd rather see more
guaranteed bandwidth numbers and a flatter pricing scheme even
if that means a higher cost to the consumer. What I mean by
that is if you deploy 100mbps of service to an area and you
start signing up users and all the sudden you are promising
everyone 20% over what you can provide them at the head-end
don't use the words "up to" in your service agreement. Either
adjust the service speeds to control the talking on a head-end
radio or make adjustments to your architecture to accommodate
the bursts in traffic. What that might mean is more smaller
cells to service an area and yes that costs money. Nothing is
free in this world so if it costs X dollars to provide Y
services to consumers that want Y then such is life. No on
complains when they need to upgrade their electrical service
at home because they want to run more equipment or devices. If
that means I as the consumer that wants to stream HD Netflix
in 4 rooms has to upgrade my service then so be it. The
provider (You/Me) can then build out our infrastructure to
accommodate that need at the cost you and your customer agree
on or he/she just decides that their bandwidth needs doesn't
match the price point to achieve what they are trying to do
and goes back to buying DVDs through Amazon. This also works
on the upstream, as a small WISP do you really want to be on
the receiving end of a big provider possibly your only option
for decent upstream connectivity to suddenly start slowing
down certain types of traffic? Then you are faced with trying
to provide a service that your customers might demand without
any ability other than potentially an extremely expensive one
to fill that need. I think it is always better to not shape
traffic for customers. Let them manage their connection to the

Re: [WISPA] Trick or Treat?

[Robert Andrews]

They  sent me a reply of why it's like that   CYA...


On 11/19/2014 08:52 AM, Adair Winter wrote:

Every maintenance notice they send is like this. it makes no sense.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Robert <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:


Just got a Zayo warning   Note the two differing impacts  they
were
separated by one line in the notice...Well zayo, what is it
going to
be...LOL


Reason for Maintenance: Zayo power contractors will perform circuit
breaker upgrade

Expected Impact: PSA - High (Possibly Service Affecting w/ high
probability of customer impact)

Circuit(s) Affected:

Circuit ID


Impact


A Loc


Z Loc



No Expected Impact


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[WISPA] Trick or Treat?

[Robert]

Just got a Zayo warning   Note the two differing impacts  they were
separated by one line in the notice...Well zayo, what is it going to
be...LOL


Reason for Maintenance: Zayo power contractors will perform circuit
breaker upgrade

Expected Impact: PSA - High (Possibly Service Affecting w/ high
probability of customer impact)

Circuit(s) Affected:

Circuit ID


Impact


A Loc


Z Loc



No Expected Impact


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Re: [WISPA] chilly tower climb

[Robert]

I just read an article about warming the wrists and it fools your whole
body..   But that sounds kinda dangerous when you are worrying about
frostbite...

On 11/12/2014 05:23 PM, Justin Wilson wrote:
> Get some ski goggles.  Keep your eyes warm and your body won’t be so
> cold.  Proven scientific fact.
> 
> Justin
> 
> 
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> http://www.mtin.net 
> Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers
> http://www.thebrotherswisp.com 
> Podcast about xISP topics
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
> Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> From: Marco Coelho mailto:coelh...@gmail.com>>
> Reply-To: WISPA General List  >
> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 at 6:15 PM
> To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Subject: [WISPA] chilly tower climb
> 
> Amazing how much faster I climb when it's cold outside!
> 
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> Argon Technologies Inc.
> POB 875
> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
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Re: [WISPA] isolated network hacked using fm signals... #mindblown

[Robert]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_%28codename%29

On 10/29/2014 05:56 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> 
> http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/29/fm-data-leaking/
> 
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com   
> @aeronetpr
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Robert]

Patrick,  I've never met you, but now you know what I'll be expecting
when I do happen to meet you!   LOL

On 08/07/2014 09:25 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:
> With a size 15 shoe, it's a bit like a sasquatch sighting, only more rare...
> 
> Patrick Leary
>  M 727.501.3735 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 12:07 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
> 
> Hey!  A Patrick sighting!  
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> Bitlomat Sales Director
> 847-238-2481 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> www.bitlomat.com
> https://www.facebook.com/Bitlomat
> http://www.linkedin.com/company/bitlomat
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 11:49 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
> 
> Everything old is new again. Back in the day the STANDARD was the Western 
> Multiplex Tsunami, which chewed up 100 MHz of 5 GHz ISM (upper 5 GHz) 
> spectrum...and everything in its path.
> 
> Patrick Leary
>  M 727.501.3735 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 4:55 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
> 
> Yes... but not normally on 80MHz wide channels...
> 
> On 8/6/14, 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> It is by far and away the most prevalent method...  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> > omputingSolutionsDeKalb>> computing-solutions>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:03:11 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>>
>> I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> Higher one way throughput.
>>> More channels to choose from.
>>> DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
>>> External antennas.
>>> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things 
>>> that vary like X-pol and F/B.
>>> Lower power consumption.
>>> Standard PoE.
>>> Etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>> > omputingSolutionsDeKalb>> computing-solutions>
>>>
>>> -
>>> ---
>>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>>>
>>> THanks Josh!
>>> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?
>>>
>>> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
>>> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
>>> And latency is higher than an airFiber
>>>
>>> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device?
>>>
>>> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

>>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP
>> OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing

 submit comments for approval / additions please

 I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some 
 of it I'm lazy on.

 TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / 
 channel width table

 Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of 
 an
 RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).

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Re: [WISPA] USAF Request - Read this is you want to keep using 5630-5800 Mhz

[Robert]

I guess, if you had any doubt, that this shows with no question the
pecking order.   How would you like to be considering an IPO and have
this as part of the "Cautions" in the disclosure?..I wonder what
part of the frequency properties make this band the one for this radar
or was it legacy...  If legacy, would it be a bad investment to spend
the millions or tens of millions to replace it?

On 06/12/2014 10:31 AM, Scott Carullo wrote:
> Update   Last week we (along with other RF users in the community)
> were invited to the AFB to meet the folks that run the radar there and
> to see the spectrum analyzer screens.  During this meeting, it was
> discussed that what the AF was trying to accomplish was to remove all
> users within 60Km from using 5630-5800Mhz.  It was discussed that this
> seemed to be a doomed request because of the sheer number of users in
> the spectrum within such a large geographical area.  How would they
> remove all users from this spectrum, even within several miles of the
> radar...  lots of hotels, condos, businesses etc...  literally thousands
> of them.  I'm not sure if they are going after the low hanging
> identifiable fruit or if they really plan on going door to door...  They
> said things were sort of in a holding pattern with the FCC because they
> were contacted by a WISPA rep and others and there were some discussions
> going on above our pay grade locally.
>  
> Well, here we are today.  I guess the outcome of those meetings was that
> we need to stop using the spectrum identified.  Here is the email sent
> from the FCC field officer to the local range folks that was forwarded
> to me:
>  
> ===
> FROM: FCC Agent
> TO: CONNOLLEY, SCOTT D GS-13 USAF AFSPC 45 SCS/SCOT 
> 
> Subject:  Meeting  to  discuss  Interference  to  Radar  at  Patrick AFB 
>  
> Scott,  I've  reviewed  your  report  concerning  radio  interference
>  to  a  C-Band  (5  GHz)  tracking 
> radar  at  Patrick AFB.  I  understand  that  you  have  contacted
>  several  of  the Wireless  Internet 
> Service  Providers  (WISP's)  in  the  area  to  advise  them  of  the
>  problem  and  have  been  met  with 
> some  resistance  to  assist  you. 
> I  would  like  to  have  a  meeting  with  you  and  the WISP's  to
>  discuss  this  problem  and  open  up  a 
> discussion  as  to what  steps  can  be  taken  to  find  a  solution. 
> WISP's  operate  under  Part  15  of  the  FCC  Rules  and  may  not
>  cause  harmful  interference. 
> 47  C.F.R.  §  15.5  General  conditions  of  operation. 
> (a)  Persons  operating  intentional  or  unintentional  radiators
>  shall  not  be  deemed  to  have  any 
> vested  or  recognizable  right  to  continued  use  of  any  given
>  frequency  by  virtue  of  prior 
> registration  or  certification  of  equipment,  or,  for  power  line
>  carrier  systems,  on  the  basis 
> of  prior  notification  of  use  pursuant  to  §90.35(g)  of  this
>  chapter. 
> (b)  Operation  of  an  intentional,  unintentional,  or  incidental
>  radiator  is  subject  to  the 
> conditions  that  no  harmful  interference  is  caused  and  that
>  interference  must  be  accepted  that 
> may  be  caused  by  the  operation  of  an  authorized  radio  station,
>  by  another  intentional  or 
> unintentional  radiator,  by  industrial,  scientific  and  medical
>  (ISM)  equipment,  or  by  an 
> incidental  radiator. 
> (c)  The  operator  of  a  radio  frequency  device  shall  be  required
>  to  cease  operating  the  device 
> upon  notification  by  a  Commission  representative  that  the  device
>  is  causing  harmful 
> interference.  Operation  shall  not  resume  until  the  condition
>  causing  the  harmful  interference 
> has  been  corrected. 
> (d)  Intentional  radiators  that  produce  Class  B emissions  (damped
>  wave)  are  prohibited. 
>  
> I  propose  that  we  have  our  first meeting  on  Wednesday,  6/18/14,
>  at  Patrick AFB. 
>  
> Thanks, 
> Don  Roberson 
> Sr.  Agent 
> Tampa  Office 
> Enforcement  Bureau 
> FCC 
> Office:  813-348-1741  ext  105 
>  
> ===
>  
> So, its that easy?  Local AF guy makes a request whether reasonable or
> not, and thats the way it is?  I understand moving off the 5765Mhz and
> having guard space on either side maybe 20Mhz, but they want the whole
> band to stop being used  whether its even in the radar LOS or not, which
> is an unreasonable request, IMO.  This meeting of the minds will
> apparently happen this coming Wednesday here locally. Anyone have
> anything to add, other than good luck?
>  
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
> 
>  
> 
> *From*: "Jack Unger" 
> *Sent*: Monday, June 02, 2014 12:49 PM
> *To*: sc...@flhsi.com
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] USAF Request - Read this is you want to keep
> using 5630-5800 Mhz
>  
> Yes. Thanks !
>  

Re: [WISPA] Serious rain out here

[Robert]

The most rain I've ever seen in my life was when I lived out in Denver.
  We were driving my girlfriends acura up an overpass and the water
coming off the overpass was coming over the hood and up the windshield.
  I thought the car would drown out but it was moving so fast it
literally went over us...   I made some kind of sub driver comment to
her that she didn't get.

On 05/21/2014 02:44 PM, Daniel White wrote:
> Check this out:
> 
>  
> 
> https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84/status/469212469563383809
> 
>  
> 
> Just found out another tornado touched down closer to a ¼ mile away from
> us.  No major damage reports I have heard of yet.
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/tornado-touches-down-in-denver-at-tower-smith-roads-sirens-heard-around-metro-area05212014
> 
>  
> 
> Had some flooding in the warehouse – thank god everything is on shelves
> and pallets :-)
> 
>  
> 
> cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370
> 
>   
> 
> *Daniel White* | Managing Director
> 
> */SAF North America LLC/**//*
> 
> * *
> 
> *Cell:***
> 
>   
> 
>  
> 
> (303) 746-3590
> 
> *Skype:***
> 
>   
> 
> danieldwhite
> 
> *E-mail:***
> 
>   
> 
> _daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com  _
> 
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> –/*///_http://youtu.be/xqrXOq4Uzgg_/
> 
> */Spectrum Compact Introduction Video – /*/http://youtu.be/2GoNP974B4k/
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   cid:40B6B97A-78D8-4322-9584-2247AEDCEC32
>   
> cid:C62FF935-06DE-41B5-8D9C-6CDF5978E509
>   cid:A57FE05F-BC56-4980-982F-1E3DA8E28EBE
>   
> cid:0F4D1499-0C92-4A56-9097-3F468F84263A
> 
> 
>   
> 
> SAF Tehnika JSC  www.saftehnika.com
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:36 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* [WISPA] Serious rain out here
> 
>  
> 
> Within minutes my front and back yard are flooded.  I had a 5 GHz 5 mile
> link lose 5 db (typing that made me realize how cool it was).
> 
>  
> 
> Those of you to the east/south watch out.  Just a bit of lightning,
> nothing heavy duty.  Hoping for the best for everyone!
> 
> 
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> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> Suite 1337
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Re: [WISPA] Justin Wilson?

[Robert Nickerson]

Hi

Good luck with your  project, and contact me if you need assistance.

RAN

On 5/15/2014 4:30 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
I have been contacted and things are moving along now. He sent new 
contact information that I was never made aware of when we first started.


http://www.mtin.net/contact.html


On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 5:57 PM, TJ Trout > wrote:


I also engaged Justin for a project and it never went anywhere. I
have also had the same results with other consultants. I actually
engaged Justin because my other consultant fell through. Go figure.


On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net>> wrote:

Darin,
I will have Andrew send you an e-mail from supp...@mtin.net
.

Just for everyone’s reference if you need to get ahold of “me”
you can do so at the following:
Phone: 317.644.2224 
Email: supp...@mtin.net 

I wrote a little blog post this morning as kind of “therapy”
for me.  As many of you know I have been a principal in a WISP
we started after the failed sale of NDWave to another company.
http://www.mtin.net/blog/?p=50

The sale of ZigWireless has been my latest “project”.  I am
personally invested in this so my future of getting this done
has been a top priority.  So much so that everything else has
suffered as a result.  The life of a WISP. LOL.  I feel like a
“Veteran” after being in the ISP business since 1993.

Just so this isn’t just about me, if anyone wants to know my
thoughts on a sale from a tech perspective hit me up off list
and I will be glad to share.

Justin

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From: Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>>
Reply-To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Date: Thursday, May 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: [WISPA] Justin Wilson?

I have been trying to get ahold of Justin Wilson who
started a project for me in April and he was out of
commission for a little bit but now I haven't heard from
him since. I have called his cell #, sent him 5 emails to
j...@mtin.net  with no response and
I don't know how to get ahold of him. I see he has sent
emails out to the list multiple times in the last few
weeks but he's never responded to me.

Anyone have any special tricks to get him to talk? My
project is quite simple and he said it would take no more
than 2 hours tops but he hasn't done anything further for
me. Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] package ideas

[Robert]

Always check to see what the price add-ons are for those services...
Is AT*T charging the $5/month modem fee?  How about the USF fee?   That
$34.95 could be closer to $45 when they get done and that needs to be
clear to who you are selling to...

On 05/07/2014 10:47 PM, John Thomas wrote:
> My suggestion was only relative to your current pricing.
> 
> For reference, AT&T UVerse in my area is $34.95 for 6 Meg down, and 768
> k up, and when you go past 150 gigs in a month, it's $10 for each 50
> gigs. Charter is bragging about 30 megs down, and 4 megs up, capped at
> 250 gig ( I think) for $29.95 (12 month promo), however, they have it
> oversubscribed so bad I have run speed tests to Charters speedtest
> server and got 30 kilobits per second down-not a good way to impress a
> $100 per month Business class customer.
> 
> 
> Greg Osborn  wrote:
> 
> It’s gotta make dollars to make sense…..  You might have to explain that
> the cable/telcos don’t come for them for that reason.  If they can’t get
> a high take rate, they can’t make money either.
> 
>  
> 
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *wi...@mncomm.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 06, 2014 5:25 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] package ideas
> 
>  
> 
> is that something you’ve done and people pay for that? I need to do some
> market research for these customers. A lot of customers are “stuck” with
> me, might leave a bad taste when in town customers can get 30 meg for
> $50 or so a month. I have customers beating me for more speeds but I
> have a lot that think they are getting robbed at what they get now LOL
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> *From:*John Thomas 
> 
> *Sent:*Tuesday, May 06, 2014 3:51 PM
> 
> *To:*WISPA General List 
> 
> *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] package ideas
> 
>  
> 
> How about adding 5 Meg at $79, then 10 Meg at $109?
> 
> 
> 
> wi...@mncomm.com  wrote:
> 
> So, I am going to be twisting on the owners soon. I need to start
> offering different packages to our customers, getting tired of people
> wanting more speed. If they want more than everyone they need to pay for
> it. So, aside from special instances, the vast majority of our subs pay
> $45 per month for unlimited usage. No real statement on speed, but
> typically we set most to a stream of 1.6 meg or so, enough where they
> can run Netflix in basic definition with no buffering. We have some set
> to a little more depending on needs. If I can get by they usually get
> 512 up & down with some bursting, but those are far and few between with
> streaming media.
> 
>  
> 
> I was thinking of setting all of those users to 1.5 or 2 meg for the $45
> and jumping to a 5 meg package for $69 per month. I currently charge
> most businesses $69, they may not get much more speed just expedited
> service from us if they have issues. I was also thinking, if I can
> stretch it out, to 10 meg for $100 a month.
> 
>  
> 
> We are negotiating for more bandwidth from our upstream shortly, I
> believe our towers are capable of of meeting these needs for the most
> part. If not I am hoping the prospect of selling more will offset the
> additional upgrade costs
> 
>  
> 
> I figure if only 10 percent of the $45 customers upgraded to $69 it
> would generate an additional $50k a year.
> 
>  
> 
> Anyways I wanted to throw it out to you folks to see what they have
> experienced in doing similar situations. I am sure I will get some back
> lash from certain areas where a competitor might be able to do something
> better or cheaper or customers that want it all for nothing, the ones
> who think they are getting screwed anyways
> 
>  
> 
> heith
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Small NEMA Enclosures

[Robert]

We use a ton of these and take the gfi outlets out.   I have a box of
~100 outlets that are just sitting there..  Kind of the like the ubnt
power supplies...

Robert

On 04/30/2014 08:37 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
> This works great for the side of a house: $32.50
> http://www.lowes.com/pd_126702-74985-57095_0__?productId=1128857>
> 
> Details here:
> http://www.orbitonline.com/products/sprinkler-systems/accessories/timer-accessories/timer-box/weather-resistant-sprinkler-timer-cabinet
> 
> I put an extension cord into the GFCI outlet and then plug that into the 
> wall: $7.00
> <http://www.lowes.com/pd_242043-66906-UT880608_0+2zc58__?productId=3190805>
> 
> The box locks and it looks like a sprinkler timer.
> 
> ryan
> 
> On 4/30/14, 12:06 PM, Sam wrote:
>> What do you guy use for small NEMA waterproof enclosures? These would be
>> the size to hold three UBNT PoE and a small (four-port) switch and
>> corresponding AC adapter, and an electrical block with four receptacles
>> for plugging in the aforementioned items.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sam
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Re: [WISPA] Small NEMA Enclosures

[Robert]

Ohhh  I like those!!!  +10!

On 04/30/2014 07:37 PM, Joe Miller wrote:
> Sam,
> 
> Try
> http://www.enclosurehub.com/productcart/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=925
> 
> Joe
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Sam
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 2:06 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Small NEMA Enclosures
> 
> What do you guy use for small NEMA waterproof enclosures? These would be the
> size to hold three UBNT PoE and a small (four-port) switch and corresponding
> AC adapter, and an electrical block with four receptacles for plugging in
> the aforementioned items.
> 
> Thanks,
> Sam
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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

[Robert]

And the certified Labor...  Remember that your grid-tie must be done by
an electrician certified by your electric utility or there is hell to
pay...   And those guys know it  Cha-Ching

On 04/18/2014 09:49 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> The challenge is still the grid-tie inverter, which at this point may
> actually be more expensive than the panels themselves.   But the whole
> thing is definitely on my short list of "home improvement" projects.
> 
> -forrest
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Blair Davis  > wrote:
> 
> I saw $.57 per watt on that site...
> 
> $2300 will buy just about 4kW...
> 
> My state is net meter as well.  Forget the the market distorting
> incentive junk, at that price, they may make direct economic sense.
> 
> --
> 
> On 4/18/2014 11:29 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>> Finding panels under $1/watt are pretty easy, even less in quantity:
>>
>> http://www.wholesalesolar.com/solar-panels.html
>>
>> http://www.civicsolar.com/solar-panels
>>
>> It's getting low enough that I'm actually starting to consider
>> putting in enough panels to zero out my electric bill as I live in
>> a net metering state where I can sell kWH back to the utility at
>> par (up to my annual usage).   1W of panel will generate
>> 1.7kW/year in my climate, or $0.23cents/year of electricity.   A 5
>> year payback is $1.15/watt, not counting all of the incentives.  
>> Aka... 30% federal tax rebate, a similar local rebate, and
>> incentives of up to $1.50/watt ($6000maximum) from the local
>> utility.   
>>
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Blair Davis > > wrote:
>>
>> Now if I could find those prices in the Mid-West...
>>
>> I mean, the last time I looked it was still around $3-4 a watt.
>>
>> At a $1 per watt, I have some other uses...
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> On 4/18/2014 5:41 PM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181
>> ) wrote:
>>> No.  But I do have a site.
>>>  
>>> http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of
>>> stuff.  250 watts for my motorhome.
>>>  
>>> At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with
>>> float charging* was around $400.
>>>  
>>> They have pretty high wind load so you’ll need a good
>>> structure to hold them up.  I’ve also had better luck (so
>>> far) with wet cell golf cart 6vdc batteries than with
>>> anything else.  I get them from the regional Interstate
>>> Battery shop, factory blems run less than half the cost of
>>> new and have a 90 day warranty.
>>>  
>>> Others have done a lot more of this than I have though.
>>>  
>>> marlon
>>>  
>>>  
>>> *From:* Mike Hammett 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
>>>  
>>> I'm interested as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>>> 
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>>> 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM
>>> *Subject: *[WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
>>>
>>> Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single
>>> customer?  For example, their house is in the middle of a
>>> forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane.
>>>  
>>> This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together
>>> a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer
>>> the price.  I thought I would ask here before reinventing the
>>> wheel.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

[Robert]

Those are the best prices I've seen on panels yet..   & they are driving
distance...   Granted a full day of driving but hey if it's $600 in
shipping

On 04/18/2014 02:56 PM, Chris Hudson wrote:
> +1 I have been buying my panels from Solar Blvd as well.
> 
> 
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® II, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: "Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181)"
> Date:04/18/2014 4:41 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
> 
> No.  But I do have a site.
>  
> http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of stuff.  250
> watts for my motorhome.
>  
> At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with float charging*
> was around $400.
>  
> They have pretty high wind load so you’ll need a good structure to hold
> them up.  I’ve also had better luck (so far) with wet cell golf cart
> 6vdc batteries than with anything else.  I get them from the regional
> Interstate Battery shop, factory blems run less than half the cost of
> new and have a 90 day warranty.
>  
> Others have done a lot more of this than I have though.
>  
> marlon
>  
>  
> *From:* Mike Hammett 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List 
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
>  
> I'm interested as well.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM
> *Subject: *[WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
> 
> Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer?  For
> example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide
> service at the end of their lane.
>  
> This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of
> Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price.  I thought
> I would ask here before reinventing the wheel.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [WISPA] Odd Speed Results

[Robert]

Ubiquiti web test = udp and Mikrotik = udp or tcp so which are you using
on the Mikrotik side udp or tcp?IF you are using tcp on the Mikrotik
test, most likely you have a lot of packet loss and the tcp is spending
a lot of time in retransmission.   If it's udp vs. udp then start
checking your connections   Test from the UBNT to another UBNT on
the wired side....

Robert

On 04/18/2014 01:52 PM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) wrote:
> Look at a difference in rssi levels at each end.  I've seen some of the 
> radios (xr2 and xr5 cards) go weak either on the tx or rx side.  That's a 
> hard one to catch.
> 
> Also if it's only 2.4 miles you might have to much power going to them 
> and picking up some multipath.  Try dropping the power down a little bit and 
> see what happens.
> 
> marlon
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Scott Reed
> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 6:37 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Odd Speed Results
> 
> I have a link using 2 PowerBridges that is about 2.4 miles.  I can get
> 56M TCP across the link using the UBNT speed test.
> I have several MTs on one side of the link and a RouterMaxx running MT
> on the other side of the link.  The best I can get between the MTs is
> 10M.  The processors are at < 30% on each side.
> I am at a total loss as to why I get the radically different speeds.  I
> can not anything that looks odd.  The link used to work really well.
> Not sure when this issue started, but I am thinking it may be getting
> progressively worse.
> Any idea what I should be looking for?
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Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs

[Robert Andrews]

Be as confusing as possible and that way get the least push back on a 
made up charge...
After all the fake charges on cell invoices, dsl invoices, and cable 
invoices, what would make you think that this was any different? Just 
because you are in the biz and might know better?

I am sure that there are thousands of companies that just go on paying 
these extra fees because they look legit and there is something that 
might be related in the regs...


On 04/16/2014 11:51 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Interstate access charge, maybe?
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
> On 4/16/14, 2:40 PM, ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote:
>> Don't know.
>> The word "interstate" was in the description of the charge.
>>
>>  
>>  *From:* Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com]
>>  *To:* WISPA General List [mailto:wireless@wispa.org]
>>  *Sent:* Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:32:45 -0400
>>  *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs
>>
>>  OK... but why is there no USF on an INTRAstate circuit but there is on
>>  an INTERstate?
>>
>>
>>  Matt Hoppes
>>  Director of Information Technology
>>  Indigo Wireless
>>  +1 (570) 723-7312[Call: +1 (570) 723-7312] <#>
>>
>>  On 4/16/14, 2:22 PM, ralphli...@bsrg.org
>>   wrote:
>>  > There was none. We just kept refusing to pay it and explained it
>>  several
>>  > times. They finally removed it.
>>  > Having a good relationship with your A.E. helps a lot I guess.
>>  > I lot of it was just making them understand that, since they had
>>  all the
>>  > addresses of the drops, it was NOT interstate.
>>  >
>>  > I used to fight this with the phone company as well several years
>>  ago in
>>  > another life.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  
>>  > *From:* Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com
>>  ]
>>  > *To:* WISPA General List [mailto:wireless@wispa.org
>>  ]
>>  > *Sent:* Wed, 16 Apr 2014 13:33:19 -0400
>>  > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs
>>  >
>>  > That's what I meant... interesting. Good to know! Can you reference
>>  > the paperwork ID number you had to request?
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > Matt Hoppes
>>  > Director of Information Technology
>>  > Indigo Wireless
>>  > +1 (570) 723-7312[Call: +1 (570) 723-7312[Call: +1 (570) 723-7312]
>>  <#>] <#>
>>  >
>>  > On 4/16/14, 1:28 PM, ralphli...@bsrg.org 
>>  > > wrote:
>>  > > From our Metro Ethernet network
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  >
>>  
>>  > > *From:* Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com
>>  
>>  > >  >]
>>  > > *To:* WISPA General List [mailto:wireless@wispa.org
>>  
>>  > >]
>>  > > *Sent:* Wed, 16 Apr 2014 12:41:22 -0400
>>  > > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs
>>  > >
>>  > > So you got the USF tax removed from your Comcast transport circuit?
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > > Matt Hoppes
>>  > > Director of Information Technology
>>  > > Indigo Wireless
>>  > > +1 (570) 723-7312[Call: +1 (570) 723-7312[Call: +1 (570)
>>  723-7312[Call: +1 (570) 723-7312] <#>]
>>  > <#>] <#>
>>  > >
>>  > > On 4/16/14, 12:30 PM, ralph wrote:
>>  > > > We did this, and won.
>>  > > >
>>  > > > Still trying to get credit for what was paid before we squeaked.
>>  > > >
>>  > > >
>>  > > >
>>  > > > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>  
>>  > >  >
>>  > > >  
>>  > >  >>
>>  > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>  
>>  > >  >
>>  > >  
>>  >  >>]
>>  > > > *On Behalf Of *Kristian Hoffmann
>>  > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 9:06 PM
>>  > > > *To:* WISPA General List
>>  > > > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs
>>  > > >

Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

[Robert]

Like I said, the newegg 100watt panels ended up being free shipping,
that made the difference for us.   For larger panels we are only 3 hours
drive from wholesale solar, so we drive up to Shasta and pick them up.
Last time we got 5 350 watt panels at .85/watt!

On 04/08/2014 10:27 AM, Sam Tetherow wrote:
> Should be roughly the same power consumption.  I used the spec sheets
> figuring the numbers would be higher than actual used.  The only expense
> that makes me cringe in this setup (used it twice now) is the shipping
> cost, it cost as much to ship a single panel as the cost of the panel. 
> If I was doing a lot of these I could cut the cost down quite a bit just
> by ordering 5-10 panels.
> 
> On 04/08/2014 12:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> I measured a NSM2 a long time ago, it's 4-5 watts according to my amp
>> meter.
>>
>> I'm not doing a ToughSwitch, I'm avoiding them entirely.  I'll be
>> doing an rb750p.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Sam Tetherow > > wrote:
>>
>> According to the spec sheets you are looking at 8W for the NS +
>> 5.5W for the NB and probably another 6W for the TS (only shows
>> maximum consumption which would include all POE ports active) so
>> about 20W total consumption. 
>>
>> Running it in a 24V configuration hence 2 12V batteries.  I
>> figured more like 5 days on the batteries by the time you figure
>> in low voltage cutoff and winter conditions.  I could have went
>> with smaller batteries, but getting +40ah for $20/battery.  I've
>> had problems with equipment acting flakey when running UBNT with
>> 12V power.  My goal was as low maintenance as possible since the
>> site is not easy to get to in the winter and did want to leave
>> room in case I needed to add any equipment. 
>>
>> The problem with sizing an all solar setup is you generally end up
>> with overkill for 80% of the time since you are designing for
>> crappy weather on the shortest days of the year with minimal
>> sunlight and they tend not to be in places that it is easy to haul
>> a generator to when your batteries die in the middle of a blizzard.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 04/08/2014 11:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load
>>> or are you doing much more?  Quick math tells me the batteries
>>> would do 12 days on a 10 watt load.
>>>
>>> Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads
>>> back to the question)?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow
>>> mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have one up for 2 customers.  They paid the cost on the
>>> tower and solar setup, I put up the AP.  Pretty low
>>> maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating
>>> on the panels. 
>>>
>>> Astronergy 290W 24V panel  
>>>$280
>>> Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller   $63 
>>> MC4
>>> cable   
>>>
>>> $31
>>> Shipping
>>>  
>>> $249
>>>
>>> Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah)  $250
>>>
>>> Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a
>>> Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a
>>> NanoStation for the AP.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single
 customer?  For example, their house is in the middle of a
 forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane.

 This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together
 a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer
 the price.  I thought I would ask here before reinventing
 the wheel.

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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

[Robert]

Honestly I have no clue what your exposure is like...   Go off the sites
at the solar panel stores that describe it and compare it to Northern
Nevada...  BUT if it's not critical to the customer, or the customer is
willing to swap a battery or two out when things get bad, you can save a
lot of cash.   We also have a set of batteries that are always ready to
go to any site(s) that get in battery trouble to make it a non-issue.
That's what we do with the solar site batteries when we feel we aren't
getting max performance out of them Replace them and they go in
trickle backup..

On 04/08/2014 10:02 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Oh, so since I'm in Ohio I'm going to need at least the 290 watt panel =P
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Robert  <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
> 
> It gets to the key of any solar project, what's the exposure.   We are
> out in NV where 100 watt panel and 2x124 amp hour batteries is more than
> enough all year to span cloudy sessions.   We get one full day and we
> are recharged and rarely go a week without one day of enough sun to get
> another week of run time until we get the period that everything is
> fully charged.   More panel gets you back up faster so Sam's setup will
> get him back to normal in 1/3 the time = 3x the clouds.
> 
> BTW set your solar panels for the maximum sun declination.  That's when
> days are the shortest and the need for power is the greatest and usually
> the weather is the worst.   It also helps with the snow issue.  By the
> time the sun is higher the days are longer and you make up for the bad
> angle with more exposure/better weather...
> 
> On 04/08/2014 09:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> > That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are
> > you doing much more?  Quick math tells me the batteries would do
> 12 days
> > on a 10 watt load.
> >
> > Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to
> > the question)?
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340 
> > Direct: 937-552-2343 
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow  <mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net>
> > <mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net <mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net>>> wrote:
> >
> > I have one up for 2 customers.  They paid the cost on the
> tower and
> > solar setup, I put up the AP.  Pretty low maintenance, only
> issue I
> > have on them is snow accumulating on the panels.
> >
> > Astronergy 290W 24V panel
>  $280
> > Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller   $63
> > MC4
> > cable
> > $31
> > Shipping
> > $249
> >
> > Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah)  $250
> >
> > Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a
> > Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation
> > for the AP.
> >
> >
> > On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >> Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single
> >> customer?  For example, their house is in the middle of a forest
> >> but you can provide service at the end of their lane.
> >>
> >> This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together
> a kit
> >> of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price.
> >>  I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel.
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340   >
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343   >
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

[Robert]

It's actually worse than that...   2x124 amp hour batteries...   2
MTMtl5, and RB433AH with 1 watt 2.4 radio in it.  More like 25 watts
full load.  nominal is more like 12 watts.   1 100 Watt panel.But
again, it's very sunny here.I have a couple of remote locations that
run 8 AMPS@12V 7x24x365 solar and people said we couldn't run them on
what we do...

On 04/08/2014 09:49 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Robert's over here doing 1/3 of that, though.  He's got a 15 watt load
> (two Ubnt, rb750p).
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Mike Hammett  > wrote:
> 
> More panel is better than less panel.  ;-)
> 
> Not sure I'd go less than half of that.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> *From: *"Josh Luthman"  >
> *To: *"WISPA General List"  >
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:41:52 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
> 
> 
> That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or
> are you doing much more?  Quick math tells me the batteries would do
> 12 days on a 10 watt load.
> 
> Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back
> to the question)?
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow  > wrote:
> 
> I have one up for 2 customers.  They paid the cost on the tower
> and solar setup, I put up the AP.  Pretty low maintenance, only
> issue I have on them is snow accumulating on the panels. 
> 
> Astronergy 290W 24V panel  
>$280
> Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller   $63 
> MC4
> cable 
>  
> $31
> Shipping  
>
> $249
> 
> Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah)  $250
> 
> Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a
> Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a
> NanoStation for the AP.
> 
> 
> On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> 
> Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single
> customer?  For example, their house is in the middle of a
> forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane.
> 
> This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together
> a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer
> the price.  I thought I would ask here before reinventing
> the wheel.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

[Robert]

It gets to the key of any solar project, what's the exposure.   We are
out in NV where 100 watt panel and 2x124 amp hour batteries is more than
enough all year to span cloudy sessions.   We get one full day and we
are recharged and rarely go a week without one day of enough sun to get
another week of run time until we get the period that everything is
fully charged.   More panel gets you back up faster so Sam's setup will
get him back to normal in 1/3 the time = 3x the clouds.

BTW set your solar panels for the maximum sun declination.  That's when
days are the shortest and the need for power is the greatest and usually
the weather is the worst.   It also helps with the snow issue.  By the
time the sun is higher the days are longer and you make up for the bad
angle with more exposure/better weather...

On 04/08/2014 09:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are
> you doing much more?  Quick math tells me the batteries would do 12 days
> on a 10 watt load.
> 
> Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to
> the question)?
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow  > wrote:
> 
> I have one up for 2 customers.  They paid the cost on the tower and
> solar setup, I put up the AP.  Pretty low maintenance, only issue I
> have on them is snow accumulating on the panels. 
> 
> Astronergy 290W 24V panel  $280
> Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller   $63 
> MC4
> cable 
>  
> $31
> Shipping  
>
> $249
> 
> Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah)  $250
> 
> Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a
> Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation
> for the AP.
> 
> 
> On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single
>> customer?  For example, their house is in the middle of a forest
>> but you can provide service at the end of their lane.
>>
>> This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit
>> of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price.
>>  I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

[Robert]

Yes,
We got a pair of 100 Watt panels at a great price off newegg.com  , no
shipping, which for solar panels was a deal maker! Only used one panel.
  We build the mounts with Home Depot Superstrut and 1" conduit. ~$50
We used

http://thesolarstore.com/charge-controllers-charge-controllers-morningstar-prostar-charge-controller-volt-p-455.html
  ~$100

And a Walmart 124 Amp hour battery...  ~$100

Good for 1.4 weeks no sun..   We use Mikrotik so we get remote voltage
that way, use a 750UP for that with UBNT, but be sure and correct the
voltage on your monitoring...   You are working off 12V so you have to
worry about your amperage through the 750UP, but with UBNT gear that
shouldn't be a problem..  MT radios are a problem at 12V...   So we use
a 12->24V converter.  ($70)

We put it in a Walmart plastic tub.  The one that is strong enough to
stand on. ~$30

We figured we saved about $400 vs buying a pre-built solution.  More
like $700 over Tycon's solution.

Panels were $299 for 2 they are still there.  But just saw this which is
a good deal too!


Complete Solar Kit 200W: 2pcs 100W Solar Panels+20' Solar cable in
Pair+PWM 30A Charge Controller+2 Sets Z Brackets+MC4 Branch Connectors Pair

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA29R0RA4028



On 04/08/2014 09:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer?  For
> example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide
> service at the end of their lane.
> 
> This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of
> Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price.  I thought
> I would ask here before reinventing the wheel.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Odd Speed Results

[Robert]

Web on UBNT is a UDP test..   Apples and oranges   As the shell
based tcp test on UBNT hits processor limits very fast, it's better
switching the MT test to UDP to get a better comparison.

Best,
    Robert

On 04/08/2014 03:07 AM, Scott Reed wrote:
> Web on UBNT, WinBox on MT
> 
> On 4/7/2014 11:36 PM, Robert wrote:
>> I didn't think the shell based speedtest would give those numbers
>> without limiting out the cpu.   Were you using the web based speed test?
>>
>> On 04/07/2014 06:37 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
>>> I have a link using 2 PowerBridges that is about 2.4 miles.  I can get
>>> 56M TCP across the link using the UBNT speed test.
>>> I have several MTs on one side of the link and a RouterMaxx running MT
>>> on the other side of the link.  The best I can get between the MTs is
>>> 10M.  The processors are at < 30% on each side.
>>> I am at a total loss as to why I get the radically different speeds.  I
>>> can not anything that looks odd.  The link used to work really well.
>>> Not sure when this issue started, but I am thinking it may be getting
>>> progressively worse.
>>> Any idea what I should be looking for?
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Odd Speed Results

[Robert]

What version firmware on the RouterMaxx?

On 04/07/2014 06:52 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
> Oops, look at the right stuff.  760,000,000 tx errors in 79 days on the 
> wire from the RouterMaxx to the PowerBridge.
> Guess I know where the problem may be.
> On 4/7/2014 9:49 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
>> All are 100/full
>> No errors
>>
>> On 4/7/2014 9:42 PM, Mike Lyon wrote:
>>> How do the interfaces look? Are they negotiating to 100/full on all
>>> sides? Any interface errors accruing on any of the devices?
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On Apr 7, 2014, at 6:38 PM, Scott Reed  wrote:

 I have a link using 2 PowerBridges that is about 2.4 miles.  I can get
 56M TCP across the link using the UBNT speed test.
 I have several MTs on one side of the link and a RouterMaxx running MT
 on the other side of the link.  The best I can get between the MTs is
 10M.  The processors are at < 30% on each side.
 I am at a total loss as to why I get the radically different speeds.  I
 can not anything that looks odd.  The link used to work really well.
 Not sure when this issue started, but I am thinking it may be getting
 progressively worse.
 Any idea what I should be looking for?

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Re: [WISPA] Odd Speed Results

[Robert]

I didn't think the shell based speedtest would give those numbers
without limiting out the cpu.   Were you using the web based speed test?

On 04/07/2014 06:37 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
> I have a link using 2 PowerBridges that is about 2.4 miles.  I can get 
> 56M TCP across the link using the UBNT speed test.
> I have several MTs on one side of the link and a RouterMaxx running MT 
> on the other side of the link.  The best I can get between the MTs is 
> 10M.  The processors are at < 30% on each side.
> I am at a total loss as to why I get the radically different speeds.  I 
> can not anything that looks odd.  The link used to work really well.  
> Not sure when this issue started, but I am thinking it may be getting 
> progressively worse.
> Any idea what I should be looking for?
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Re: [WISPA] 8x8 antenna for ubnt?? pic attached

[Robert]

I realized a while ago that I would like to know the characterization of
dual polarity antennas in both polarities..   i.e.   On a dual polarity
antenna the Vertical polarity has a horizontal and vertical coverage and
the Horizontal polarity has a horizontal and vertical coverage.   Is
this something I can find out or are the numbers for vertical and
horizontal good for both antennas?   This is important for us.

Thank you,
Robert Andrews
AvantWireless LLC

On 03/18/2014 01:50 PM, Pedro Ramirez wrote:
> Tomorrow we receive our 1st shipment of the following antenna:
> 
> http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Multi-Band-Antennas//PRO-SECTOR-XL-245dual-band2xdual-HV.html
> 
> designed specifically to fit 2 Rockets in 2.4 & 5GHz inside.
> 
> I will post pictures as soon as I can.
> 
> Pedro
> Itelite Antennas, Inc
> 
> On 17-Mar-14 6:30 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:
>> Also... to remain non-bias... have many Itelite ants too with Rockets.
>> They are great for very low profile, esthetically placement of
>> rockets, especially the 55 degree square box models.
>>
>> Would be very interested in a box to accept an RM2 and RM5. I talked
>> to an ex-installer today who now works for one of the big cells as
>> tower equipment engineer... he says almost all of the LTE sectors are
>> dual band... show me a phone picture which looked very much like the
>> box that started this thread.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Clay Stewart
>> > <mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com>> wrote:
>>
>> When you are saying TI is 'not worth its salt', are you saying the
>> sectors or the TI radios? We have a couple dozen TI sectors using
>> non-TI radios with great results. Installed a NanoBeam M5 to one
>> last Friday with 25/18Mbps at 1.5 miles and on last Saturday
>> install an RDM5 dish to same TI sector with standard M5 rocket at
>> 5.5 miles for 20/18 on the edge of the 120 degrees and through row
>> of trees. Noise levels. Then two weeks ago we had 38/25 on one at
>> 5 miles with NanoBridge.
>>
>> TI Radios have reported issues and have not used them at all
>> yet... waiting for better reports. Just wanted to clear up
>> discussion. I use RFArmour also, but the TI sectors have less wind
>> load and foot print for our mini-towers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Mark Spring > <mailto:m...@nktelco.net>> wrote:
>>
>> I had to relocate some TI Sectors that I installed because of
>> inter AP interference. While I didn't get a chance to haul rf
>> armor up and compare the two, so perhaps it was just planned
>> poorly from the start. The overwhelming response I see online
>> is that the titanium gear isn't worth it's salt, so when we
>> saw this in the field we just went back to the trusted gear.
>> They are making 5ghz rf armor for the titanium sectors.
>>
>> The nanobeam does seem to be a recent piece of innovation that
>> has turned out well...it hasn't baked for a long time though,
>> hoping it proves out because I really like what I see at this
>> point.
>>
>> Mark Spring
>> Systems Analyst
>>
>> New Knoxville Telephone Company
>> 301 W. South St.
>> New Knoxville, OH 45871
>> 419.753.5000 
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>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Clay Stewart
>> > <mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Let me clarify, regular M2 rockets on TI sectors.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Mark Spring
>> mailto:m...@nktelco.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Clay,
>>
>> We put up some of the TI rockets with the same idea in
>> mind, maybe they've gotten better but I got sick of
>> sending guys

Re: [WISPA] 8x8 antenna for ubnt?? pic attached

[Robert]

Now that's a responsive Vendor!   BTW I believe that it would take 8
connectors of whatever type

On 03/17/2014 11:56 AM, Pedro Ramirez wrote:
> We can make a Sector antenna for 4 Rockets similar to the one in your 
> pictures.
> 
> It can be with 4 external N-Female connectors or with a metal shielded 
> enclosure with internal SMA connectors to put the rockets inside.
> 
> What frequencies are needed?
> 
> And who would like to test this new design for us?
> 
> Pedro Ramirez
> Itelite Antennas, Inc
> 
> On 16-Mar-14 7:37 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> Could it be something like this?
>>
>> http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/5-GHz-80211a-Triband//PRO-SECTOR-XL-245dual-band2xdual-HV.html
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>>>
>>> I think one of the many local wisps popping here are getting very "creative"
>>>
>>> Anyone can ID this sector? Im thinking its a Mobile Carrier antenna that 
>>> they are reusing… but what band?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> President
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>> @aeronetpr
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting

[Robert]

Wow, I went through a nightmare with a customer who was using GoDaddy...
  We switched them to gmail and they are happy now..   They got NO help
from GoDaddy...  around and around they went..   Both on our network and
charter so was able to eliminate that as the problem..

On 03/06/2014 01:14 PM, Mac Dearman wrote:
> We have been outsourcing email/hosting..etc to GoDaddy for 26 months now and
> I can honestly say that it has been a real relief for us. Their spam
> solution has been good as well. We pay about .60 cents a month per sub, but
> they have really nice webmail.
> 
> 
> YMMV, GL
> Mac
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:11 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting
> 
>> We are using tucows/opensrs.  The antispam isn't as good as Postini was.
>> But we fired Postini/Google when I found out that they spy on the 
>> customer's communications.  Tucows doesn't.
> 
> About how much is Tucows per box?
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

[Robert]

These can usually be made more accurate for greater bandwidths by giving
a variety of download file sizes for different pipe sizes..   Usually
very easy programming...  If you wouldn't mind sharing the source...

Best,

Robert


On 03/06/2014 08:25 AM, Blair Davis wrote:
> There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you 
> describe...
> 
> www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php
> 
> --
> On 3/6/2014 9:30 AM, Sam wrote:
>> Good Morning Folks!
>>
>> Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux
>> boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me
>> I cannot remember the name of it.
>>
>> Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like
>> for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth
>> from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream
>> provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment
>> is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower
>> to their equipment at their home or business.
>>
>> Hopefully this makes sense
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sam
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: FW:

[Robert]

What movie is only 2GB in HD ( per the article...)...?

On 02/23/2014 11:09 PM, Technical wrote:
> Seems Verizon is in the area:
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-57429650-85/verizons-homefusion-now-brings-4g-lte-home-but-not-for-cheap/
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *heith petersen
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 23, 2014 4:43 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* [WISPA] Fw: FW:
> 
>  
> 
> I had a customer cancel our service a few weeks ago in a town an hour
> away from me. My billing lady got the impression that she was going to
> use her 4G service. She lives out of town a mile where we are the only
> WISP or service around, aside from satellite or cell service. Our
> equipment was laying by her house as she was away for the day when we
> were there, but stated that the new equipment was mounted in our old
> spot. So my tech took this picture and it said Cantenna on the bottom of
> it. Its not like the Cantenna I have seen in the past. I am real
> positive that I do not have another WISP in the area. Do some WISPS use
> these devices? The closest business is a John Deere dealership, and I am
> fairly certain their IT would not allow external usage of their network,
> and all of the houses in the area use our service. Anyways just curious
> if any one had any ideas of what they could be using this for. I have
> had other customers cheat WiFi from their neighbors with different
> Cantennas, but I would use a UBNT device to re-distribute the service,
> if that’s whats going on
> 
>  
> 
> thanks
> 
> heith
> 
>  
> 
> *From:*6052801...@mms.att.net 
> 
> *Sent:*Sunday, February 23, 2014 6:32 PM
> 
> *To:*he...@mncomm.com 
> 
> *Subject:*FW:
> 
>  
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: FW:

[Robert]

I would put it as a desktop cataract-er...

On 02/23/2014 09:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Built in sterilizer?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Feb 23, 2014 11:18 PM, "Robert"  <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
> 
> The little box on the desk...
> 
> On 02/23/2014 07:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> > Dang.  Indoor?  Or a big antenna?
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340 
> > Direct: 937-552-2343 
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Feb 23, 2014 10:12 PM, "Robert"  <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>
> > <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com
> <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > I found one clearwire CPE that was 33db out the antenna..
> >
> > Best,
> > Robert
> >
> > On 02/23/2014 06:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> > > That's probably the base stations, not CPEs.  That's a lot
> of umph.
> > >
> >     > Josh Luthman
> > > Office: 937-552-2340   >
> > > Direct: 937-552-2343   >
> > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > Suite 1337
> > > Troy, OH 45373
> > >
> > > On Feb 23, 2014 9:20 PM, "Robert"  <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>
> > <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com
> <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>>
> > > <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com
> <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>
> > <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com
> <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > I believe they are allowed to xmit at up to 6 watts, similar
> > to clear
> > > wire   I loved thinking about the power levels
> coming out
> > of clear
> > > wire antennas sitting on peoples desks next to where
> they work
> > for 8
> > > hours.
> > >
> > > On 02/23/2014 06:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> > > > Anyone know the eirp for 700 MHz 4g?
> > > >
> > > > Josh Luthman
> > > > Office: 937-552-2340 
> >  
> > >>
> > > > Direct: 937-552-2343 
> >  > >
> > > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > > Suite 1337
> > > > Troy, OH 45373
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 23, 2014 9:12 PM, "Robert"
> mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>
> > <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com
> <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>>
> > > <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com
> <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>
> > <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com
> <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>>>
> > > > <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com
> <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>
> > <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com
> <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>>
> > > <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com
> <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>
> > <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com
> <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>>>>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just recommended HomeFusion service to a prospective
> > customer.
> > > > Buried deep in the pine trees, they had one slot
> that a
> > > competitor was
> > > > able to deliver service through.   This competitor
> is so
> > bad they
> > > > _never_ answer their phone, have not upgraded
> technology
> > in 8
> > > years and
> > > > go down for as much as a week out of four.   We
> can't cover
> > > them, none
> > > > of the others that do decent service will.  But
> they can and
> > > do use a 4g
> > > > verizon card in a router to get service.   They
> pay cell
> > phone
> > > rate

Re: [WISPA] Fw: FW:

[Robert]

The little box on the desk...

On 02/23/2014 07:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Dang.  Indoor?  Or a big antenna?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Feb 23, 2014 10:12 PM, "Robert"  <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
> 
> I found one clearwire CPE that was 33db out the antenna..
> 
> Best,
> Robert
> 
> On 02/23/2014 06:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> > That's probably the base stations, not CPEs.  That's a lot of umph.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340 
> > Direct: 937-552-2343 
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Feb 23, 2014 9:20 PM, "Robert"  <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>
> > <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com
> <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > I believe they are allowed to xmit at up to 6 watts, similar
> to clear
> > wire   I loved thinking about the power levels coming out
> of clear
> > wire antennas sitting on peoples desks next to where they work
> for 8
> > hours.
> >
> > On 02/23/2014 06:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> > > Anyone know the eirp for 700 MHz 4g?
> > >
>     > > Josh Luthman
> > > Office: 937-552-2340   >
> > > Direct: 937-552-2343   >
> > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > Suite 1337
> > > Troy, OH 45373
> > >
> > > On Feb 23, 2014 9:12 PM, "Robert"  <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>
> > <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com
> <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>>
> > > <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com
> <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>
> > <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com
> <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > I just recommended HomeFusion service to a prospective
> customer.
> > > Buried deep in the pine trees, they had one slot that a
> > competitor was
> > > able to deliver service through.   This competitor is so
> bad they
> > > _never_ answer their phone, have not upgraded technology
> in 8
> > years and
> > > go down for as much as a week out of four.   We can't cover
> > them, none
> > > of the others that do decent service will.  But they can and
> > do use a 4g
> > > verizon card in a router to get service.   They pay cell
> phone
> > rates
> > > from verizon so I told them about the fusion service as it
> > will give
> > > them 2x data at about the same price and will not have
> to be on a
> > > charger all the time. 900 will not reach them.  Oh
> well...
> >  Even the
> > > devil gets his due...
> > >
> > > Robert
> > >
> > > On 02/23/2014 04:46 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> > > > Wecome to Verizon HomeFusion.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Chuck
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:43 PM, heith petersen
> > mailto:wi...@mncomm.com>
> <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com>>
> > > <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com>
> <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com>>>
> > > > <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com>
> <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com>>
> > <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com>
> <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com>>>>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I had a customer cancel our service a few weeks
> ago in a
> > town an
> > > > hour away from me. My billing lady got the impression
> > that she was
> > > > going to use her 4G service. She lives out of town a
> > mile where we
> > > 

Re: [WISPA] Fw: FW:

[Robert]

I found one clearwire CPE that was 33db out the antenna..

Best,
Robert

On 02/23/2014 06:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> That's probably the base stations, not CPEs.  That's a lot of umph.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Feb 23, 2014 9:20 PM, "Robert"  <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
> 
> I believe they are allowed to xmit at up to 6 watts, similar to clear
> wire   I loved thinking about the power levels coming out of clear
> wire antennas sitting on peoples desks next to where they work for 8
> hours.
> 
> On 02/23/2014 06:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> > Anyone know the eirp for 700 MHz 4g?
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340 
> > Direct: 937-552-2343 
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Feb 23, 2014 9:12 PM, "Robert"  <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>
> > <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com
> <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > I just recommended HomeFusion service to a prospective customer.
> > Buried deep in the pine trees, they had one slot that a
> competitor was
> > able to deliver service through.   This competitor is so bad they
> > _never_ answer their phone, have not upgraded technology in 8
> years and
> > go down for as much as a week out of four.   We can't cover
> them, none
> > of the others that do decent service will.  But they can and
> do use a 4g
> > verizon card in a router to get service.   They pay cell phone
> rates
> > from verizon so I told them about the fusion service as it
> will give
> > them 2x data at about the same price and will not have to be on a
> > charger all the time. 900 will not reach them.  Oh well...
>  Even the
> > devil gets his due...
> >
> > Robert
> >
> > On 02/23/2014 04:46 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> > > Wecome to Verizon HomeFusion.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:43 PM, heith petersen
> mailto:wi...@mncomm.com>
> > <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com>>
> > > <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com>
> <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com>>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > I had a customer cancel our service a few weeks ago in a
> town an
> > > hour away from me. My billing lady got the impression
> that she was
> > > going to use her 4G service. She lives out of town a
> mile where we
> > > are the only WISP or service around, aside from
> satellite or cell
> > > service. Our equipment was laying by her house as she
> was away for
> > > the day when we were there, but stated that the new
> equipment was
> > > mounted in our old spot. So my tech took this picture
> and it said
> > > Cantenna on the bottom of it. Its not like the Cantenna
> I have
> > seen
> > > in the past. I am real positive that I do not have
> another WISP in
> > > the area. Do some WISPS use these devices? The closest
> > business is a
> > > John Deere dealership, and I am fairly certain their IT
> would not
> > > allow external usage of their network, and all of the houses
> > in the
> > > area use our service. Anyways just curious if any one
> had any
> > ideas
> > > of what they could be using this for. I have had other
> customers
> > > cheat WiFi from their neighbors with different
> Cantennas, but I
> > > would use a UBNT device to re-distribute the service, if
> that’s
> > > whats going on
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > heith
> > >
> > > *From:* 6052801...@mms.att.net
> <mailto:6052801...@mms.att.net> <mailto:6052801...@mms.att.net
> <mailto:6052801...@mms.att.net>>
> > &

Re: [WISPA] Fw: FW:

[Robert]

I believe they are allowed to xmit at up to 6 watts, similar to clear
wire   I loved thinking about the power levels coming out of clear
wire antennas sitting on peoples desks next to where they work for 8
hours.

On 02/23/2014 06:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Anyone know the eirp for 700 MHz 4g?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Feb 23, 2014 9:12 PM, "Robert"  <mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
> 
> I just recommended HomeFusion service to a prospective customer.
> Buried deep in the pine trees, they had one slot that a competitor was
> able to deliver service through.   This competitor is so bad they
> _never_ answer their phone, have not upgraded technology in 8 years and
> go down for as much as a week out of four.   We can't cover them, none
> of the others that do decent service will.  But they can and do use a 4g
> verizon card in a router to get service.   They pay cell phone rates
> from verizon so I told them about the fusion service as it will give
> them 2x data at about the same price and will not have to be on a
> charger all the time.     900 will not reach them.  Oh well...  Even the
> devil gets his due...
> 
> Robert
> 
> On 02/23/2014 04:46 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> > Wecome to Verizon HomeFusion.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:43 PM, heith petersen  <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com>
> > <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > I had a customer cancel our service a few weeks ago in a town an
> > hour away from me. My billing lady got the impression that she was
> > going to use her 4G service. She lives out of town a mile where we
> > are the only WISP or service around, aside from satellite or cell
> > service. Our equipment was laying by her house as she was away for
> > the day when we were there, but stated that the new equipment was
> > mounted in our old spot. So my tech took this picture and it said
> > Cantenna on the bottom of it. Its not like the Cantenna I have
> seen
> > in the past. I am real positive that I do not have another WISP in
> > the area. Do some WISPS use these devices? The closest
> business is a
> > John Deere dealership, and I am fairly certain their IT would not
> > allow external usage of their network, and all of the houses
> in the
> > area use our service. Anyways just curious if any one had any
> ideas
> > of what they could be using this for. I have had other customers
> > cheat WiFi from their neighbors with different Cantennas, but I
> > would use a UBNT device to re-distribute the service, if that’s
> > whats going on
> >
> > thanks
> > heith
> >
> > *From:* 6052801...@mms.att.net <mailto:6052801...@mms.att.net>
> <mailto:6052801...@mms.att.net <mailto:6052801...@mms.att.net>>
> > *Sent:* Sunday, February 23, 2014 6:32 PM
> > *To:* he...@mncomm.com <mailto:he...@mncomm.com>
> <mailto:he...@mncomm.com <mailto:he...@mncomm.com>>
> > *Subject:* FW:
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: FW:

[Robert]

I just recommended HomeFusion service to a prospective customer.
Buried deep in the pine trees, they had one slot that a competitor was
able to deliver service through.   This competitor is so bad they
_never_ answer their phone, have not upgraded technology in 8 years and
go down for as much as a week out of four.   We can't cover them, none
of the others that do decent service will.  But they can and do use a 4g
verizon card in a router to get service.   They pay cell phone rates
from verizon so I told them about the fusion service as it will give
them 2x data at about the same price and will not have to be on a
charger all the time. 900 will not reach them.  Oh well...  Even the
devil gets his due...

Robert

On 02/23/2014 04:46 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> Wecome to Verizon HomeFusion.
> 
> Regards,
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:43 PM, heith petersen  <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com>> wrote:
> 
> I had a customer cancel our service a few weeks ago in a town an
> hour away from me. My billing lady got the impression that she was
> going to use her 4G service. She lives out of town a mile where we
> are the only WISP or service around, aside from satellite or cell
> service. Our equipment was laying by her house as she was away for
> the day when we were there, but stated that the new equipment was
> mounted in our old spot. So my tech took this picture and it said
> Cantenna on the bottom of it. Its not like the Cantenna I have seen
> in the past. I am real positive that I do not have another WISP in
> the area. Do some WISPS use these devices? The closest business is a
> John Deere dealership, and I am fairly certain their IT would not
> allow external usage of their network, and all of the houses in the
> area use our service. Anyways just curious if any one had any ideas
> of what they could be using this for. I have had other customers
> cheat WiFi from their neighbors with different Cantennas, but I
> would use a UBNT device to re-distribute the service, if that’s
> whats going on
>  
> thanks
> heith
>  
> *From:* 6052801...@mms.att.net <mailto:6052801...@mms.att.net>
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 23, 2014 6:32 PM
> *To:* he...@mncomm.com <mailto:he...@mncomm.com>
> *Subject:* FW:
>  
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Re: [WISPA] Dual Frequency AP Radio

[Robert]

Jonathan Walcher

On 02/13/2014 10:43 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> Jonathan Wilkins? I think that's right... don't remember if the last
> name is right or not.
> 
> *Josh Reynolds*
> Chief Information Officer
> SPITwSPOTS
> j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com
> 
> On 02/13/2014 03:50 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> I'm not an antenna engineer, so I can't explain it. As the man from
>> Brink Networks recently said...  (very much so paraphrased) Europe has
>> better antennas than we do because they have to. We piss and moan
>> about our RF situations, but they have it worse. They figured things
>> out a while ago we haven't even realized are a problem.
>>
>> http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/5-GHz-80211a-Triband//SECTOR-XL-500182xdual-HV.html
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:41:57 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Dual Frequency AP Radio
>>
>>
>> They also have
>> > antennas so you can put multiple 5 GHz radios on one antenna.
>>
>> Wait what?  Please explain/link.  How are they diplexing it?
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Re: [WISPA] Dual Frequency AP Radio

[Robert]

I am starting to really like the way that itelite presents itself.
This antenna is a good example.  It doesn't say it's a 90 or a 120.   It
just gives the plot and the -3 AND -6 points and you can call it
whatever you want.   Good plots, plenty of data figure it out
yourself...

On 02/13/2014 04:50 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> I'm not an antenna engineer, so I can't explain it. As the man from
> Brink Networks recently said...  (very much so paraphrased) Europe has
> better antennas than we do because they have to. We piss and moan about
> our RF situations, but they have it worse. They figured things out a
> while ago we haven't even realized are a problem.
> 
> http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/5-GHz-80211a-Triband//SECTOR-XL-500182xdual-HV.html
> 
> 
> 
> -
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
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> 
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:41:57 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Dual Frequency AP Radio
> 
> 
> They also have
>> antennas so you can put multiple 5 GHz radios on one antenna.
> 
> Wait what?  Please explain/link.  How are they diplexing it?
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Re: [WISPA] Video of Tower work from Quadcopter

[Robert]

Yeah, that just convinced me that I will never need that Monopole that
is for sale...   Sorry...

On 01/17/2014 05:04 PM, Justin Wilson wrote:
> Very cool!!!  I keep hoping someone will randomly send me one of those.
> I would take a ton of videos.
> 
> Monopoles suck.  It needs a safety climb.
> 
> Justin
> 
> 
> From: Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>
> Reply-To: WISPA General List  >
> Date: Friday, January 17, 2014 at 7:52 PM
> To: "WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org
> )"  >
> Subject: [WISPA] Video of Tower work from Quadcopter
> 
> Snip Shot from Phantom Vision 2
> 
>  
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Video of Tower work from Quadcopter

[Robert]

Santa did listen to me this year.  But just a training one to start that
I can break without feeling bad...   Next year the full Monte...

On 01/17/2014 06:04 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:
> I want one... Santa didn't listen! (or maybe I just wasn't good enough
> last year)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Gino Villarini  > wrote:
> 
> Snip Shot from Phantom Vision 2
> 
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[WISPA] Google aquires Nest...

[Robert Andrews]

After the nest thread last week...So now make SURE your nest's are 
outside your inner firewall...

Best,
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Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios

[Robert]

I believe the point is, unless that part of the data sheet is also out
of date ( in which case why have a data sheet? )..  The IDU only has
10/100 ethernet and is going to be really pressed to do 200meg full
duplex.   And if you can do it through that please let all those UBNT
owners who are limited by that know how!   :)

On 01/07/2014 07:20 PM, Freylekhman, Alex wrote:
> Ruben
> We have not updated this data sheet in a while, it specs out our older
> ODU. With new ODU you can go to maximum modem capacity 56MHz at 128QAM.
> As long as as long as link budget permits you will get full bandwidth
> with no degradation over distance. I believe you can get 2xSTM1 channels
> at full modem capacity
> 
> Alex
> 
> 
> Aleksander Freylekhman
> Sales Director, North America
> Axxcelera Broadband Wireless
> a Moseley Company
>   P: (804) 864-4125
>   M: (440) 220-2192
> afreylekh...@axxcelera.com
> www.axxcelera.com
> 
> On Jan 7, 2014 10:11 PM, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:
> 
> As specified in http://www.axxcelera.com/product_item_detail.php?id=3050:
> 
>   * Capacity Options Ethernet*:* Up to 100Mbps full duplex plus 2 E1/T1
> wayside 
> 
> 200 Mbps aggregate == 200 Mbps Half-Duplex, while the original poster
> stated a 200 Mbps Full-Duplex requirement. 
> 
> 
> Rubens
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 1:06 AM, Freylekhman, Alex
> mailto:afreylekh...@axxcelera.com>> wrote:
> 
> Ruben,
> We have a product called AB Full Access II . One of the very few
> FD-FDD radios left on the market. It s available in 5GHz band with
> high power transmitter which will help you to save antenna size.
> 
> You can get 200mbps quite easy with that as Ethernet, TDM or fiber.
> I believe it will do the job for you
> 
> Thanks
> Alex
> 
> 
> 
> Aleksander Freylekhman
> Sales Director, North America
> Axxcelera Broadband Wireless
> a Moseley Company
>   P: (804) 864-4125 
>   M: (440) 220-2192 
> afreylekh...@axxcelera.com 
> www.axxcelera.com 
> 
> On Jan 7, 2014 8:46 PM, Rubens Kuhl  > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Ian Framson
> mailto:i...@tradeshowinternet.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Wisps,
> 
> We are looking for a pair of radios that can do 200 Mbps FDX
> over 11 miles (real world, not manufacturer's theoretical
> marketing promises). We are looking at using an unlicensed link
> (most likely 5 GHz) due to the time constraints, although we're
> open to suggestions.
> 
> The make/model we were considering was Motorola PTP650 with 450
> Mbps upgrade license.  We are not wed to Motorola, however. The
> cost seems to be the limiting factor at this point.
> 
> Another WISP I spoke with mentioned Bridgewave TD60 might be 1
> possibility.
> 
> Your thoughts?
> 
> 
> 
> UBNT AirFiber 5/5U in 5.8 GHz will be an option when it becomes
> available. AirFiber 24 GHz is said to provide a full-duplex capacity
> of 250 Mbps @ 12.5 miles(http://www.ubnt.com/airlink/), but that
> gives very little room for fade margin, if any. If you can't wait
> for AF5, you could buy AF24 now, and then replace those with AF5s
> later in the year. 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

[Robert Andrews]

Makes me think of the *MASH* episode where they went around singing

"Havin' a heat wave, tropical heat wave"


On 12/03/2013 12:09 PM, Sam wrote:
> It actually *was* fun. The worst part about winters in Alaska (the
> interior of Alaska that is) isn't so much the cold - there's rarely any
> wind. You can don a parka, mukluks, and gauntlet gloves (think mittens
> on steroids), move around a little bit, and stay warm. But the lack of
> daylight is a real pain in the posterior. It's the darkest dark you can
> imagine, and like the cold, it's relentless.
>
> I did have pictures, but I think the wife took them when she upgraded to
> husband 2.0. I can ask her about them though - it was funny seeing a
> bunch of us out in the snow in summer clothes, barbequing our franks
>
> (And you're welcome. It was an honor.)
>
> On 12/3/2013 14:02, Clay Stewart wrote:
>> Sounds like fun, and thank you for your service! Got pics?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Sam > > wrote:
>>
>>  I was in the military, stationed in Fairbanks (30 miles south of
>>  Fairbanks actually) for four years. There was a spell during the winter
>>  of 1988/1989 where we went something like six weeks with the temperature
>>  never climbing above -40F. (Fun fact: Five of the top ten lowest
>>  temperatures ever recorded in Alaska happened in January 1989.) We lived
>>  on-base so didn't have to deal with propane or LP gas. But I don't
>>  recall any of my friends living off-base having a problem with it.
>>  That's not to say it didn't happen.
>>
>>  A side note...
>>  I remember one day after that spell of cold weather when a Chinook wind
>>  blew up from the Gulf of Alaska. The temperature warmed clear up to 0F!
>>  We were all outside in shorts and short sleeve shirts firing up the BBQ
>>  grills. Yeah, it was cold, but it was 50F to 60F degrees warmer than
>>  what we had gotten used to. :)
>>
>>  Sam
>>
>>
>>  On 11/26/2013 15:06, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
>>   > Even north of fairbanks Propane does not have much of an issue.
>>  Insulate
>>   > and enclose for success.
>>   >
>>   > I use a 1500 gal tank so I can get the 1000+ gal discount. They even
>>   > apply this discount to my home propane purchases for the rest of
>>  the year!
>>   >
>>   > ryan
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Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

[Robert]

How often is the tank refilled for what power load?



On 11/26/2013 10:26 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
> *Someone* lives in Florida and does not need a Snowcat or Snowmachine to
> get to his sites...
> 
> Sometimes paying a little extra for always on and always working is a
> good thing. The maintenance on the TEG I have running is:
> light
> let run for 1-5 years
> clean jets
> relight
> repeat.
> 
> No moving parts and always working is a bonus. :)
> 
> ryan
> 
> On 11/26/13 9:25 AM, Scott Carullo wrote:
>> Remember, I can buy 4 7Kw gensets instead of the one tiny TEG :)
>>
>> Scott Carullo
>> Technical Operations
>> 855-FLSPEED x102
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> *From*: "D. Ryan Spott" 
>> *Sent*: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:15 AM
>> *To*: "WISPA General List" 
>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
>>
>> Who was this from?
>>
>> Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG.
>>
>> ryan
>>
>> On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote:
>> > So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960
>> > plus a $300 mount.
>> >
>> >
>> > It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free
>> > Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal...
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Good source for refurb Juniper?

[Robert Nickerson]

Hi

Try http://www.terabitsystems.com/

RAN

On 11/20/2013 11:43 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:


We are in the market for possibly 2 MX240 units, any good sources for 
refurb/used Juniper gear?


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Re: [WISPA] LP / Propane generators

[Robert]

+1000

On 11/20/2013 02:38 AM, Mike Lyon wrote:
> Found the price. About $2450. Not too bad. Beats running up to the hill
> @ 1am to swap batteries and trying not to get the truck stuck in the mud...
> 
> -Mike
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 20, 2013, at 2:29, Gino Villarini  > wrote:
> 
>> Those were kinda of pricey iirc
>>
>> Sent from my Motorola Startac... 
>>
>>
>> On Nov 20, 2013, at 6:07 AM, "Mike Lyon" > > wrote:
>>
>>> While on my constant quest of trying to figure out my wonderful power
>>> situation, it made me think to look up LP/Propane generators.
>>>
>>> I found a pretty cool little RV one made by Cummins:
>>>
>>> http://goo.gl/ZSrscl
>>>
>>> Get one of these, drop it into a JOBOX or the alike, and problem solved!
>>>
>>> Off to go find the price for it...
>>>
>>> -Mike
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Solat panels: series or parallel?

[Robert]

Eric has the idea spot on, I'll follow up with what a lot of
off-gridders around here in N. Nevada had tutored me on.   That is the
losses and controlling them.  Number one with a bullet is loss from
throwing electrons down wires..   You know it from poe losses and it's a
100 times worse in solar applications.   The biggest gain through using
serial panels is in reduction of current loss through the wires between
the panels and to the charge controller.   You would have to have
monster wires to be as efficient as 3 amps down reasonably sized wires
at 120 volts as 15 amps at 24.   And as you go from the charge
controller to the batteries and you eat away your 5 amps ( at 24 Volts?
  That is Big ) you still have 10 amps between the controller and your
batteries.   Get Very Large Cables, as large as the controller will
accept.   MPPT controllers are the ticket unless you have tracking
arrays, in which case the guys here go back to pwm for better results.
 I haven't figured out why, they just show me the numbers that show it.
   MPPT controllers running in serial also have the advantage that you
can mix and match your panels without losing the output of your large
panels into the small ones..

Lastly we angle our panels in the winter to the lowest sun angles as
that is when the transit is shortest and the need the greatest.

Robert

On 11/19/2013 09:18 PM, Eric Flanery wrote:
> I'd replace the controller with a mppt model, wire the panels in series
> (to 48v nominal), and leave the battery bank at 24v.
> 
> Decoupling the panel voltage from the charging voltage let's you start
> charging a bit earlier, and keep charging a bit longer; plus mppt is a
> bit more efficient than pwm.
> 
> Most importantly, it let's you double your panels (which is your best
> bet overall), without having to increase the gauge of your wiring.
> 
> --Eric
> 
> 
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note® 3
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Mike Lyon
> Date:11/19/2013 8:29 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solat panels: series or parallel?
> 
> And it has about a 5 amp load...
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2013, at 20:23, Gary Garrett  wrote:
>>
>> You probably need more Sun,   or less load.
>> It sounds like you have it wired correctly.
>> The panels should tilt south about the same angle as your Lattitude.
>> Up here on the canadian border we are at 48 degrees lattitude so the
>> panels tilt about 45 degrees.
>> In the summer they lay flat.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 11/19/2013 7:43 PM, Mike Lyon wrote:
>>> So i'm trying to figure out what i need more of, voltage or current?
>>>
>>> I have 2x,  300 watt, 24vdc panels. I currently have them wired in
>>> parallel to a Morningstar SS20L-24 which in turn is hooked up to 4
>>> banks of 2x 12vdc deep cycle batteries (for a 24vdc system). I plan on
>>> replacing these batteries soon with UB4Ds or something similiar.
>>>
>>> What would be best to keep these beasts charged? The solar panels
>>> wired in series or parallel?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mike
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Robert]

Of course they gave it a thought...   "Hmmm I wonder when we can get
some of these with even more power?"It's a snatch and grab...  If
they can chase everyone away, it's theirs

On 11/15/2013 08:18 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> Coming from the WISP side, I asked them why they have these blasting at
> full power, 24/7 when the zone director surely could manage power levels
> when needed.
> 
> I didn't get a answer.  I don't think they even gave it a thought about
> who they might interfere with.   
> 
> On Friday, November 15, 2013, Robert wrote:
> 
> Spectrum trashers   At least if there's no traffic on them there
> shouldn't be much noise..
> 
> On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> > He's talking about these... (see attached)
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
> > 
> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com >> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
> > the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing
> through
> > the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
> >
> > Scott Carullo
> > Technical Operations
> > 855-FLSPEED x102
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> > *From*: "Brian Webster"  
> > <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com >>
> > *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
> > *To*: "WISPA General List" 
> > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org >>
> > *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> >
> > One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
> > free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
> > indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
> > source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
> > laws of physics work in your favor.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > Brian Webster
> >
> > www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
> <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
> >
> > www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
> <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >
> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >] *On Behalf
> Of *Scott Carullo
> > *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
> > *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com 
> > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com >; WISPA
> General List
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
> > we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
> > me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
> > there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some
> radios
> > (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
> > its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
> > the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we
> always do.
> >
> > I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good
> directional CPE
> > will continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't
> > compete with a 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you
> > drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just
> > knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city
> to them
> >
> > Scott Carullo
> > Technical Operations
> > 855-FLSPEED x102
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> >
> > *From*: "Matt Hoppes" 
> > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com >>
> > *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
> > *To*: &qu

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Robert]

Spectrum trashers   At least if there's no traffic on them there
shouldn't be much noise..

On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> He's talking about these... (see attached)
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
> 
> I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
> the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through
> the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
> 
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *From*: "Brian Webster"  >
> *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
> *To*: "WISPA General List"  >
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> 
> One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
> free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
> indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
> source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
> laws of physics work in your favor.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank You,
> 
> Brian Webster
> 
> www.wirelessmapping.com 
> 
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com 
> 
>  
> 
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
> *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com
> ; WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> 
>  
> 
> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
> we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
> me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
> there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios
> (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
> its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
> the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we always do.
> 
> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE
> will continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't
> compete with a 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you
> drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just
> knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them
> 
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> *From*: "Matt Hoppes"  >
> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
> *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com "
> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>,
> "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> *Cc*: "WISPA General List"  >
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> 
> Are you seeing any impact from them?
> 
> 
> On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo"
> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street
> corner.  Already seeing that in our areas  do a wireless
> scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones
> (they run dual band APs now).
> 
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *From*: "Bret Clark"  >
> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
> *To*: wireless@wispa.org 
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> 
> What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of
> spectrum...[/sarcasm off]
> 
> On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:
> 
> I hope the links at the bottom come through.
> 
> ---
> 
>  
> 
> Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to
> power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to
> deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of
> Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy
> and Commerce hearing on Wednesday.
> 
>  
> 
> Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimo

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Robert]

So does that mean I can use the African bands for my S. African
customers and etc...?

On 11/14/2013 04:12 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
> You can always go to the Japanese channels, they always seem to be nice
> and quiet ;)  We have lots of Asian customers so we are allowed to use
> them in some areas...
> 
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *From*: "Matt Hoppes" 
> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:59 PM
> *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com, "WISPA General List" 
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> 
> Yeah... this is why I always preach 20dB above the noise floor...
> signals in the 45 to 55 range. If you install in the 70s you have no
> where to go.
> 
> 
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
> 
> On 11/14/13, 6:52 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
>> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we
>> all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry me a lot
>> when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had
>> no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually
>> install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it
>> will be another any way.  Thats what gives us the edge every day,
>> flexibility.  We will work around it, we always do.
>>
>> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will
>> continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a
>> 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you drive down the street
>> and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't
>> 3 connections in the whole city to them
>>
>> Scott Carullo
>> Technical Operations
>> 855-FLSPEED x102
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> *From*: "Matt Hoppes" 
>> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
>> *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA
>> General List" 
>> *Cc*: "WISPA General List" 
>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>
>> Are you seeing any impact from them?
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo" > > wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner.
>>> Already seeing that in our areas  do a wireless scan and you see
>>> 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs
>>> now).
>>>
>>> Scott Carullo
>>> Technical Operations
>>> 855-FLSPEED x102
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> *From*: "Bret Clark" >> >
>>> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
>>> *To*: wireless@wispa.org 
>>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>>
>>> What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of
>>> spectrum...[/sarcasm off]
>>>
>>> On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:

 I hope the links at the bottom come through.

 ---

 Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power
 next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver
 wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business
 Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce
 hearing on Wednesday.

 Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded
 the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet
 customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began
 deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast
 has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots.

 While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it
 needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers
 for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other
 automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver
 next-generation connected car applications, including applications
 that would warn drivers of collision threats.

 Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about
 possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing.
  "We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other
 stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will
 alleviate any risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices.
 But we're not there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see
 if we can get there," Kenney said in his prepared testimony.

 For more:
 - see Nagel's prepared testimony
 
  (.pd

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Re: [AFMUG] Fight to keep 365 Dec 11​

[Robert]

Wow, this comes how many days after the new Fcc chair is confirmed?   I
wonder if the writing is on the wall this quick?

On 11/04/2013 06:29 AM, timothy steele wrote:
> —
> Sent from Mailbox  for iPhone
> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: *timothy steele*  >
> Date: Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fight to keep 365 Dec 11
> To: "a...@afmug.com "  >
> Cc: "a...@afmug.com "  >, "Principal WISPA Member List
> " mailto:w...@wispa.org>>
> 
> The PDF makes it look like The FCC is giving it to the cell
> company's tho.. Anyone have more info?
> —
> Sent from Mailbox  for iPhone
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:00 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
> mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
> 
> I don't see it as losing it. They'll have to grandfather
> existing and deployed equipment, at least for a few years.
> There's no way they'd be able to enforce a shutdown/take-down order.
> 
> If we want 3550-3650, then we (and manufacturers) will have to
> submit to this geolocation database shared spectrum access idea
> like TVWS. If the rules get simplified, like getting rid of the
> CPE registration and the stupid restricted/non-restricted band
> split, good. I read the WiMax forum slides and this is pretty
> much what they're saying, too.
> 
> 
> On 11/4/2013 5:36 AM, timothy steele wrote:
>> Repost from "other forums"
>>
>> Your comments are needed on this proceeding. Especially, the
>> FCC wants to know about adding the current 3.65 band to this
>> proposed 3.5 band and ELIMINATING the current 3.65 setup and
>> systems that are using it NOW 
>>
>> **
>>
>> *GN Docket No. 12-354*
>>
>>  If you currently have 3.65 licensed equipment or a system up
>> and running, you have the possiblity of LOSING IT !!!
>>
>>
>> 
>> http://community.ubnt.com/t5/Business-Talk/FCC-3-5-proceeding-comment-needed-or-possible-3-65-band-is-GONE/m-p/614551#U614551
>>
>>
>> https://www.google.com/search?as_q=fcc+GN+Docket+No.+12-354
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> —
>> Sent from Mailbox  for iPhone
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Siklu/Dragonwave 80 Ghz..

[Robert]

What are the max distances these will do with the 3 foot dishes?
(moderate rain, not tropical rain)...

On 10/14/2013 07:47 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> On 10/14/2013 7:33 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote:
>> OK.  So a customer pops up out of no where and says he is interested in
>> one of these links.  Does anyone have any positive/negative/neutral
>> comments/experience?
>>
>> On or off list
>>
> 
> We have a few Dragonwaves going, 50 and 200 Mbps, some for a few miles 
> in an urban core environment, and they seem pretty nice.  The licensed 
> 80 GHz band has much better range than unlicensed 60 GHz, though of 
> course the very narrow beamwidth means you have to have a good antenna 
> mount and be careful about storm damage, or about some bozo working on 
> the roof who disturbs it.
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Re: [WISPA] Mixed Single and dual polarity?

[Robert]

Actually this will probably be Mikrotik and I'm looking at the
possibilities of upgrading what is now single pol to dual...  There is
plenty of performance single, just planning on adding dual..

But much appreciation on the feedback...

On 10/10/2013 02:12 PM, Blair Davis wrote:
> It works ok as long as all are AirMax for UBNT.
> 
> The single pol units take a preformance hit.
> 
> Not a good idea if the AP is heavly loaded.
> 
> --
> 
> On 10/10/2013 3:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> You mean in Ubnt?  It's not devastating, but your 1x1 clients are
>> eating up twice as much time doing the same work a 2x2 radio would do.
>>  Cuts your APs capacity in half while using the full spectrum =(
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Robert Andrews
>> mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Simple questions:
>>
>>  1) Does anyone have experience running systems with mixed
>> clients?
>> i.e. Dual polarity AP and mixed single and dual polarity clients?
>>
>>  2) Is anyone willing to summarize their experiences?
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>  Robert
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[WISPA] Mixed Single and dual polarity?

[Robert Andrews]

Simple questions:

 1) Does anyone have experience running systems with mixed clients?  
i.e. Dual polarity AP and mixed single and dual polarity clients?

 2) Is anyone willing to summarize their experiences?


Thanks!

 Robert
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[WISPA] Fwd: Re: ARIN numbers

[Robert]

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARIN numbers
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 10:48:28 -0700
From: Robert Andrews 
To: WISPA General List 

Unfortunately the days of having IP address space "In case" are long
gone...   ARIN will probably implement "use it or lose it" as the next
step before address exhaustion in IPV4...

Robert

On 10/03/2013 10:41 AM, heith petersen wrote:
> I might have read that wrong on their site, but I thought there were
> some exclusions from being multi-homed. More or less I want my own space
> incase I want to make a move down the road to different provider. Maybe
> it will raise a flag with our current provider that these guys are
> looking. I would actually have to buy from a competitor to be
> multihomed, however I am sure a lot of WISPS have to do this as well
>  
> heith
>  
> *From:* Jon Auer <mailto:j...@tapodi.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 03, 2013 12:24 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] ARIN numbers
>  
> Pretty much the only hard and fast rule is you need to be multihomed. 
> If you are not multihomed you don't need ARIN and should be getting the
> IP space from your upstream provider.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 12:21 PM, heith petersen  <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com>> wrote:
> 
> Well, I have several pops but from the same provider. I have a /20.
> All are allocated to routers, likely using close to 70%. I would
> need to dig in a little deeper. Some of our space we allocated to
> others that we resell bandwidth to, kind of gets a little messy
>  
> heith
>  
> *From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 03, 2013 11:47 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] ARIN numbers
>  
> ARIN has little to nothing to do with the US Government. Maybe only
> historical, if it exists.
> 
> You should multi-home anyway.
> 
> How many IPs do you have?
> 
> How many IPs are you using?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> *From: *"heith petersen" mailto:wi...@mncomm.com>>
> *To: *"WISPA General List"  <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 3, 2013 11:37:21 AM
> *Subject: *[WISPA] ARIN numbers
> 
> Kind of late in the game for this question, but has anyone been able
> to successfully acquire IP space from ARIN? I have read that they
> have 1 full/8 & 3/4 of another /8. We have always received our IPs
> from our upstream provider, and where I live there are not a lot of
> other choices for providers. Honestly, we may have been lulled into
> thinking that we were to small to get our own space, or we needed to
> be multi-homed.
>  
> I have read on the website that we could fairly easily qualify, as
> far as what is currently percentage wise utilized. I need to start
> shifting all our networks to be fully routed and would be nice to
> have our own space. Our provider is fairly big in the upper plains,
> however things may change were we need to shift, or maybe get a
> second provider.
>  
> I assume that since ARIN is a non-profit organization that they
> would not be affected by the current government shut down. I could
> be wrong. I see they will be represented at WISPALooza this year. I
> was hoping to get a little input on current success from others
> before I put in a lot more research
>  
> thanks in advance
>  
> heith
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[WISPA] Urgent need

[Robert Clark]

We have an urgent need of a exalt Extendair 11 Rc110005

 

Anyone know where I can get one ASAP 

 

We just have one that failed 

 

 

 

Robert W Clark

Network Administrator

Bolt Internet

928-717-BOLT Etx 112

 

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Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

[Robert]

Funny (or not depending upon your point of view ) thing is that the best
results for throughput/penetration with 900Mhz was with the original
SR9's from UBNT.  Better throughput by 2-3x than XR9 but less
interference resistance but being able to run smaller channels with the
same throughput made up for that.  All that was from before 900 rollout
from the utilities and the 900 band turning into complete junk when the
power meters do updates and other heavy usage..  We tried the other UBNT
gear with not nearly the same results, but with and without external
antennas.

On 08/22/2013 07:20 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Ubnt 900 apparently has extremely poor nlos for 900 MHz.  I've heard
> this a handful of people but haven't tried it myself.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
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> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Mike Hammett  
> wrote:
>> How is it junk? IIRC, everyone I've asked that claimed a given 900 MHz
>> system was junk had a poor RF environment.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> From: "Erik Anderson" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 8:49:55 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas
>>
>> 98% of our terrain is heavily wooded. Ubiquiti 900 is junk (but their other
>> products perform quite well when they can be used). Cambium 900 is better.
>> Out limited experience with whitespace has been good. All of these
>> technologies have very low bandwidth.
>>
>> On 8/22/2013 12:04 AM, Chris Fabien wrote:
>>
>> What are you guys deploying lately in heavily wooded areas? We've used both
>> Cambium pmp320 Wimax and UBNT M900, with mixed results on both. We just put
>> up a 130ft tower in a heavily wooded river valley area, leaning towards the
>> UBNT solution but hate putting money into something I'm not really satisfied
>> with.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] AT&T Launches LTE powered Home Internet and Phone Service in selected markets

[Robert Andrews]

This means that for our average $45/month customer who uses on average
30 Gigs they could pay $120 instead  Wow the POWER of AT*T
(not!)

On 07/29/2013 05:28 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> AT&T Launches LTE powered Home Internet and Phone Service in selected
> markets
> 
>  
> 
> http://ow.ly/nrnQ0
> 
>  
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> 
> g...@aeronetpr.com 
> 
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> 
> 787.273.4143
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Re: [WISPA] AT&T Launches LTE powered Home Internet and Phone Service in selected markets

[Robert]

This means that for our average $45/month customer who uses on average
30 Gigs they could pay $120 instead  Wow the POWER of AT*T
(not!)

On 07/29/2013 05:28 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> AT&T Launches LTE powered Home Internet and Phone Service in selected
> markets
> 
>  
> 
> http://ow.ly/nrnQ0
> 
>  
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> 
> g...@aeronetpr.com 
> 
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 
> 787.273.4143
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Re: [WISPA] Voltage regulator

[Robert]

http://www.mini-box.com/DCDC-USB-200?sc=8&category=1264

On 07/15/2013 03:27 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:
> I need a means to regulate the voltage coming out of the
> Solar Controller  I need a constant 24 volts for Tranzeo and Ubiquiti
> radios. I now have between 25 and 29 volts.
> Any suggestions?
> NGL
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> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
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Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym

[Robert Clark]

Coming soon FiWi  Second Generation 

 

Just like cells Phone company's 

2g

3g

4g

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:02 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym

 

+1 for FiWi (for fixed wireless - the "broadband" is almost a given)

Pronounced "fy why"




On 4/16/2013 5:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

FiWi IMO

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 16, 2013 8:15 PM, "Jorge Santiago" mailto:jscnetwo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Gino, honestly that sounds weird! LOL

 

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

So I was thinking that us as Wisp need a service acronym to market. like
WiFi,  4G, LTE and DSL..   And it hit me.

 

Fixed Wireless Broadband.

 

FiWi-B  

 

Promunced feewee bee?

 

No?

 

Gino A. Villarini

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[WISPA] WISPAmerica

[Robert]

I just wanted congratulate the wispa org for doing their members proud.
  I was not able to attend due to knee surgery, but in a whole lotta
years of hearing about and attending conferences NEVER have I heard so
much praise about an event of this size.  Specially with such a diverse
membership.   Quality people do quality work.  Again Congrats!

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

[Robert]

I would argue that WISP industry standard is 12-28 V poe, as the
majority of the equipment that vendors distribute use power supplies in
that voltage range.   48 V is not that common amid the non-telco   When
you get to the pricey suppliers the 48af V poes ARE the standard.   But
that's a cost that we don't want to throw at our customers   I like
standards as long as there are implementations of those standards that
take advantage of production quantities to lower costs not lock in
higher prices.   i.e. Ethernet vs. token-ring   IMNSHO...  I'm not
saying there aren't advantages to 48V when you need the watts.   But did
the Titanium really have a bigger wattage requirement?   Everything
about it that I saw said it's the same inside as the plastic.


Robert

On 04/06/2013 09:20 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> How does that lock out other vendors?  They have started using 48 volts on 
> all the new stuff. That's actually industry standard!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Apr 6, 2013, at 12:18, Robert  wrote:
> 
>> Exactly...   UBNT looks more and more like a company trying less and
>> less to stay out in front of the competition but locking in their
>> customers...   Very apple-ish...   h   Robert was at apple...
>>
>>
>> On 04/06/2013 09:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>>> Hi Josh
>>>
>>> I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a business 
>>> strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other vendors than a 
>>> real technical need
>>>
>>> Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the site? Hum
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ya...better.  Different voltage though.
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco"
>>>> mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hi all
>>>>
>>>>I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody is
>>>>using them with success.
>>>>Not sure if they perform better than the "plastic" ubiquiti
>>>>
>>>>Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if Ubiquiti
>>>>will implement that sooner or later...
>>>>
>>>>Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
>>>>improvements :)
>>>>
>>>>Thank you
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>>>
>>>>Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale
>>>>
>>>>Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo
>>>>
>>>>C.F. e P.IVA  05940050825
>>>>Fax : +39-091-8772072 
>>>>assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 
>>>>web: http://www.level7.it
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

[Robert]

Exactly...   UBNT looks more and more like a company trying less and
less to stay out in front of the competition but locking in their
customers...   Very apple-ish...   h   Robert was at apple...


On 04/06/2013 09:11 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
> Hi Josh
> 
> I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a business 
> strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other vendors than a 
> real technical need
> 
> Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the site? Hum
> 
> Thank you
> 
> 
>> Ya...better.  Different voltage though.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, "Paolo Di Francesco"
>> mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody is
>> using them with success.
>> Not sure if they perform better than the "plastic" ubiquiti
>>
>> Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if Ubiquiti
>> will implement that sooner or later...
>>
>> Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
>> improvements :)
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco
>>
>> Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale
>>
>> Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo
>>
>> C.F. e P.IVA  05940050825
>> Fax : +39-091-8772072 
>> assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 
>> web: http://www.level7.it
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Complete list of WISP used billing products

[Robert Clark]

Radius manager is another program 

Wispmon and visp Yuck

Currently happy with platypus

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:17 AM
To: a...@afmug.com; WISPA General List; memb...@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Complete list of WISP used billing products

 

I'm looking to put a complete list together.  Does anyone have any
additional ideas?

Powercode

Platypus

Billmax

Wispmon

BOSS (beta? released?)

Azotel

Freeside

VISP

Rodopi

 

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Re: [WISPA] Easy hotspot programs

[Robert Clark]

Raduis Manager have been using for 3 years

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 1:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Easy hotspot programs

 

This comes up time and time again, but I wonder if anyone has found an easy
solution yet.

 

I have a Mikrotik.  I used to use Wireless Orbit and they did it the way I
expect, but with the lack of support or contact I found it too odd to use.
I want a solution so users can easily get online via their
phone/tablet/computer without any complication, like hotels and such.

 

Does anyone know of a solution for this?




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Re: [WISPA] Medical companies

[Robert Clark]

We have lots of work from home medical transcriptionist on our network we
even have our local hospital recommending us to their new hires but they
handle the security on their side we just provide the transport 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Adam Greene
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:33 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Medical companies

 

If they establish a VPN to the hospital, the medium shouldn't matter, as
traffic will be encrypted.

On 1/10/2013 4:32 PM, Scott Reed wrote:

We have a local hospital  that won't allow using wireless because they had a
bad experience with a different supplier.
Since a lot of their people don't tell them who the provider is, we have
several customers using our service.

I agree with one of the other posts.  Tell the customer to tell them they
have an Ethernet connection.  It is true and eliminates the issue of medium.
If they require DSL, I guess it is a good thing you are not a fiber
provider.  That wouldn't be DSL either.



On 1/10/2013 1:36 PM, Mike Asher wrote:

Hello All,

I have someone who wants to work from home, they work for a hospital and
the hospital
says they have to use dsl and wireless is not allowed. Is this a law, maybe
hipaa?  Thank
you for any info.

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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: OT: Hurricane retweet-2-smtp.

[Robert Kim App and Facebook Marketing]

I'll post this to my twitter.

See if someone has a search filter set up for it...

and then, I'll forward any response.

On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Mike Lyon  wrote:

> In case anyone can help.
>
> -mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* jamie rishaw
> *Date:* November 10, 2012, 21:11:41 PST
> *To:* NANOG list
> *Subject:* *OT: Hurricane retweet-2-smtp.*
>
> Here would be a prime guess.. obviously anyone that can help, karma=good..
>
> -jamie
>
> ///
>
> from @virtadpt --
>
> Need sources for Proxim point-to-point microwave hardware. Needed for
>
> uplink from mesh to global Net. PLS RT #sandy #nyc  #projectbyzantium
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Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal

[Robert Clark]

I would love to see The Arizona Parse

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 9:27 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal

 

Chip, please add me to this request

 

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

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787.273.4143

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Spann, Chip
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 12:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal

 

Yes, but I can parse it out by state 

Charles Spann

(270) 779-0448

{Sent from my iPhone}


On Nov 9, 2012, at 11:07 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

Does thank cause Google Earth to hang/get real slow?


Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Spann, Chip  wrote:

I have their entire US inventory KML just in case anyone needs a specific state 
but doesn't get an immediate response from their rep

Charles Spann

(270) 779-0448  

{Sent from my iPhone}


On Nov 9, 2012, at 10:37 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

I just heard back from my rep.  Got the towers in Ohio in kml and Excel.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 9, 2012 7:52 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

I think they've had that for about a year now.



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- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 7:41:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal




AT boasts a "4WISP" program. Not sure what sparked it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 8, 2012 8:38 PM, "Mike Lyon" < mike.l...@gmail.com > wrote:




Did WISPA score a deal with them or something?


-mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2012, at 17:36, Joe Miller < joemiller...@cableone.net > wrote:







I called them last week…. Still waiting on a call back from them… L






From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 7:31 PM
To: a...@afmug.com
Cc: WISPA General List ( wireless@wispa.org )
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal



I have my name in. Waiting on info from my rep.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Nov 8, 2012 8:27 PM, "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote:



Anyone has the details on this?



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Re: [WISPA] State mapping agency access

[Robert Kim App and Facebook Marketing]

Anything on Central California? That's a big chunk of real estate. Also,
it's important for me to get this updated for our internal records asap.
I've been bull dozed by those big 500 pounders before and it's just a
blast!

Yes, i'm being sarcastic! =)

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for beta testers

[Robert Kim App and Facebook Marketing]

YES! Offlist is fine... but I too would also like to see details online
somewhere to see if it's even a fit???


> We are offering free beta units of our new FlexAP basestation in exchange
> for feedback.  If you are interested, please contact me off list.
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>  Thanks,
>
> Ryan McKenzie | Director of Sales
>

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Re: [WISPA] 900 AP's and 2.4 AP's

[Robert Canary]

huh? what do you mean downconverted 2.4?Robert CanaryOCDirect Electrical-Datacomm(866) 594-0786 Fax(270) 955-0362 VoiceCanopy?  Next to none.Ubiquiti?  Watch out - 900 is downconvertered 2.4 =(Josh LuthmanOffice: 937-552-2340Direct: 937-552-23431100 Wayne StSuite 1337Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:00 PM, ~NGL~ <n...@ngl.net> wrote:










Is there any problem having 900 AP's and 2.4 AP's on the same tower? They 
will be about 3 foot apart.
Thanx
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[WISPA] Tracking Mac

[Robert Canary]

How does one do a trace route on MAC. Apparently I have used an IP address 
somewhere and didn't log it. Now when I assign IP I get multiple messages from 
my arpwatch of a IP Flip Flop happening. These coming from AirSpan because I 
found the MAC listed on the AP but it only shows ETH as the source. 

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Re: [WISPA] List Traffic Programmers

[Robert Kim App and Facebook Marketing]

Alive and working well for me!

And as a PS... if you're using gmail, and you dont ever open emails from a
list serve ... gmail can auto classify it as spam... so if its important to
you... give it a read every now and again!

=)

PS... long time no see guys!

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Eric Rogers wrote:

> Is this list dead?  I haven’t received an email since 6/18. 
>
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Re: [WISPA] Payment solutions

[Robert Canary]

I have had only good dealings with PayPal. Yes a little more expensive than 
others, but their API has allowed me to integrate some very gnarly programming 
into our back end. They have always helped with issues, both as a buyer and a 
seller. 

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- Original Message -

> 

> +Infinity!!

> ---Original Message---

> From: Blair Davis
> Date: 5/16/2012 3:14:15 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Payment solutions
> PayPal is a nightmare for the merchant if the client is not honest.

> They are not a bank nor regulated as one, last I recall.

> And if you do deal with them, take precautions.

> setup a separate bank account to deal with them in a different bank
> than you use for your main business accounts and never leave any
> real money in it that you are not willing to loose.

> And last of all, they can't be trusted, nor can you get a person on
> the phone to fix things when they mess them up.

> On 5/16/2012 8:19 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

> If u think PayPal rates are low... Then u have not seen what rates IP
> Pay offers... :)

> The real benefit with IP Pay is that there is no finger pointing
> between multiple entities involved with credit card processing.

> Pay pal is easy to sign up, easy to use, more expensive tan other
> optionsbut pain in the rear to deal with when u have charge
> backs and other issues

> Faisal

> On May 16, 2012, at 2:37 AM, Robert Kim App and Facebook Marketing <
> evdo.hs...@gmail.com > wrote:

> Guys..

> believe it or not... paypal's rates are really low if you're billing
> over 3,000 USD a month
> AND as an organization like WISPA... someone can just call in and get
> negotiated rates using a promo code...

> I did it for several organizations i was a part of!

> WISPMon and IP Pay handle this for me.

> -
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[WISPA] Payment solutions

[Robert Kim App and Facebook Marketing]

Guys...

believe it or not... paypal's rates are really low if you're billing over
3,000 USD a month
AND as an organization like WISPA... someone can just call in and get
negotiated rates using a promo code...

I did it for several organizations i was a part of!

WISPMon and IP Pay handle this for me.
>
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Re: [WISPA] NYTimes on carrier-induced mobile spectrum crisis

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Eh...

They killed UHF and VHF TV... so i don't see why they cant just totally
kill 1g and 2g

... ummm... is that mean? =D

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> There are too many 2G devices out there to eliminate the 2G network.
>
> Where, how much and what happened with the 1G bands, though?
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

[Robert Kim App and Facebook Marketing]

You'll need a solar powered battery pack if totally remote but instead of a
cell phone... you just need a 4g modem.

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> Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone?
>
> ** **
>
> i.e. 
>
> strip   pstn > my computer
>
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> Victoria Proffer
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