[WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey

[Forbes Mercy]

REMINDER TO PROVIDE INPUT

WISPA is researching the possibility of putting on a Trade Show this spring.  
We put up a survey last week for you to answer basic questions as to what you 
would like to see in this show.  As of Tuesday we had about 40 responses, far 
below the 300+ members and many more non-members who subscribe to this list.  
We are leaving the survey up until Friday evening so members have seven days to 
fill out this brief survey.  If you have not filled out the survey please go 
to:  http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=wsWAhIYE3XfDaKLojwMeNQ_3d_3d

Also a list serve has been set up specifically for the organization of the 
trade show, you can subscribe to this list by going to:

http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow 
 

One more reminder on Friday then your chance for helping us plan this is done.  
Thanks for your time.

Forbes Mercy

WISPA - Promotions Committee Chair

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Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey

[Matt Jenkins]

I took the survey, however it did not allow me to add in other comments. So:

The biggest problem I have with most of these Trade shows is that its a 
bunch of sales/marketing guys who have no actual idea how the product 
works and cannot answer in depth technical questions. I can get all of 
the sales and marketing information that they present on the website or 
from talking to my usual vendors. What I want is a Product Engineering 
Show where engineers come and demonstrate their products and I can see 
actual comparisons of performance, ask detailed questions, etc.

For example: I want to have talks from engineers who can answer 
questions. I want to have talks by real operators on how they implement 
OSPF to redistribute BGP across their networks. I want to hear talks 
from people that combine Motorola Canopy, Ubiquiti, Ligowave, Mikrotik, 
and Netsys to create innovative solutions for providing data coverage. 
All should be able to show examples.

Just my 2 cents...

- Matt

Forbes Mercy wrote:
> REMINDER TO PROVIDE INPUT
> 
> WISPA is researching the possibility of putting on a Trade Show this spring.  
> We put up a survey last week for you to answer basic questions as to what you 
> would like to see in this show.  As of Tuesday we had about 40 responses, far 
> below the 300+ members and many more non-members who subscribe to this list.  
> We are leaving the survey up until Friday evening so members have seven days 
> to fill out this brief survey.  If you have not filled out the survey please 
> go to:  http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=wsWAhIYE3XfDaKLojwMeNQ_3d_3d
> 
> Also a list serve has been set up specifically for the organization of the 
> trade show, you can subscribe to this list by going to:
> 
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow 
>  
> 
> One more reminder on Friday then your chance for helping us plan this is 
> done.  Thanks for your time.
> 
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> 
> WISPA - Promotions Committee Chair
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey

[Chuck Profito]

You mean like Image stream ?

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Matt Jenkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey

I took the survey, however it did not allow me to add in other comments. So:

The biggest problem I have with most of these Trade shows is that its a 
bunch of sales/marketing guys who have no actual idea how the product 
works and cannot answer in depth technical questions. I can get all of 
the sales and marketing information that they present on the website or 
from talking to my usual vendors. What I want is a Product Engineering 
Show where engineers come and demonstrate their products and I can see 
actual comparisons of performance, ask detailed questions, etc.

For example: I want to have talks from engineers who can answer 
questions. I want to have talks by real operators on how they implement 
OSPF to redistribute BGP across their networks. I want to hear talks 
from people that combine Motorola Canopy, Ubiquiti, Ligowave, Mikrotik, 
and Netsys to create innovative solutions for providing data coverage. 
All should be able to show examples.

Just my 2 cents...

- Matt

Forbes Mercy wrote:
> REMINDER TO PROVIDE INPUT
> 
> WISPA is researching the possibility of putting on a Trade Show this
spring.  We put up a survey last week for you to answer basic questions as
to what you would like to see in this show.  As of Tuesday we had about 40
responses, far below the 300+ members and many more non-members who
subscribe to this list.  We are leaving the survey up until Friday evening
so members have seven days to fill out this brief survey.  If you have not
filled out the survey please go to:
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=wsWAhIYE3XfDaKLojwMeNQ_3d_3d
> 
> Also a list serve has been set up specifically for the organization of the
trade show, you can subscribe to this list by going to:
> 
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow
<http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow> 
> 
> One more reminder on Friday then your chance for helping us plan this is
done.  Thanks for your time.
> 
> Forbes Mercy
> 
> WISPA - Promotions Committee Chair
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey

[Tom DeReggi]

I'd like to see a real good MPLS intro training session. (although not easy 
to do in an hour).
That might be a good session to be demonstrated on a Mikrotik, considering 
it is a unique feature Mikrotik is offering.

Not that I'm generally a fan to push MT or vendor specific content. There 
are many venues to get quality MT content for example, I'd rather WISPA push 
content that WISPs cant get anywhere else to push a stronger call to action 
to come.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Matt Jenkins" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey


>I took the survey, however it did not allow me to add in other comments. 
>So:
>
> The biggest problem I have with most of these Trade shows is that its a
> bunch of sales/marketing guys who have no actual idea how the product
> works and cannot answer in depth technical questions. I can get all of
> the sales and marketing information that they present on the website or
> from talking to my usual vendors. What I want is a Product Engineering
> Show where engineers come and demonstrate their products and I can see
> actual comparisons of performance, ask detailed questions, etc.
>
> For example: I want to have talks from engineers who can answer
> questions. I want to have talks by real operators on how they implement
> OSPF to redistribute BGP across their networks. I want to hear talks
> from people that combine Motorola Canopy, Ubiquiti, Ligowave, Mikrotik,
> and Netsys to create innovative solutions for providing data coverage.
> All should be able to show examples.
>
> Just my 2 cents...
>
> - Matt
>
> Forbes Mercy wrote:
>> REMINDER TO PROVIDE INPUT
>>
>> WISPA is researching the possibility of putting on a Trade Show this 
>> spring.  We put up a survey last week for you to answer basic questions 
>> as to what you would like to see in this show.  As of Tuesday we had 
>> about 40 responses, far below the 300+ members and many more non-members 
>> who subscribe to this list.  We are leaving the survey up until Friday 
>> evening so members have seven days to fill out this brief survey.  If you 
>> have not filled out the survey please go to: 
>> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=wsWAhIYE3XfDaKLojwMeNQ_3d_3d
>>
>> Also a list serve has been set up specifically for the organization of 
>> the trade show, you can subscribe to this list by going to:
>>
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow 
>> <http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow>
>>
>> One more reminder on Friday then your chance for helping us plan this is 
>> done.  Thanks for your time.
>>
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>>
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Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey

[Butch Evans]

On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 22:08 -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote: 
> Not that I'm generally a fan to push MT or vendor specific content. 

I disagree with your assessment here.  More on that below.

> There are many venues to get quality MT content for example, I'd rather 
> WISPA push  content that WISPs cant get anywhere else to push a stronger 
> call to action to come.

I don't understand this statement at all.  I am assuming you mean you
would like to see content in this show that isn't being presented
elsewhere.  If so, what, SPECIFICALLY, would you suggest?  

I think the content should include some technical discussions with
specific products or technologies.  To use the example you brought up,
MPLS, we could build a small MPLS network using Mikrotik and Cisco or
any other product.  There could be a couple of sessions explaining the
technology, THEN we could provide a "breakout session" where people
could come in and experiment under the direction of someone who is
knowledgeable in the particular area.  This could be a vendor,
consultant or end user.  It wouldn't matter WHO provided the
configuration, but someone who could answer questions about the demo.  I
don't see this as "pushing a vendor specific content" as much as USING a
known vendor for a particular technology.

Along the same lines, I'd suggest a round table type discussion for
other product offerings such as wireless polling, for example.  You
could have a Canopy guy and some "normal" people (sorry...just a JOKE).
Back to reality, it could be Canopy, Mikrotik (nstreme) and maybe
Alvarion or some others.  Each could offer a short "pitch" of what makes
their solution better (about 5 minute limit each) and the remainder of
the session could be Q&A.  

I'm not recommending any particular content, but suggesting ideas for
what I would consider appropriate vs inappropriate content.

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Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey

[Forbes Mercy]

Thanks for the comment but you are incorrect, there is a field for your 
comments on many of the questions, specifically the one you talked about.

 

I took the survey, however it did not allow me to add in other comments. So:

The biggest problem I have with most of these Trade shows is that its a
bunch of sales/marketing guys who have no actual idea how the product
works and cannot answer in depth technical questions. I can get all of
the sales and marketing information that they present on the website or
from talking to my usual vendors. What I want is a Product Engineering
Show where engineers come and demonstrate their products and I can see
actual comparisons of performance, ask detailed questions, etc.

For example: I want to have talks from engineers who can answer
questions. I want to have talks by real operators on how they implement
OSPF to redistribute BGP across their networks. I want to hear talks
from people that combine Motorola Canopy, Ubiquiti, Ligowave, Mikrotik,
and Netsys to create innovative solutions for providing data coverage.
All should be able to show examples.

Just my 2 cents...

- Matt

Forbes Mercy wrote:
> REMINDER TO PROVIDE INPUT
>
> WISPA is researching the possibility of putting on a Trade Show this spring.  
> We put up a survey last week for you to answer basic questions as to what you 
> would like to see in this show.  As of Tuesday we had about 40 responses, far 
> below the 300+ members and many more non-members who subscribe to this list.  
> We are leaving the survey up until Friday evening so members have seven days 
> to fill out this brief survey.  If you have not filled out the survey please 
> go to:  http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=wsWAhIYE3XfDaKLojwMeNQ_3d_3d
>
> Also a list serve has been set up specifically for the organization of the 
> trade show, you can subscribe to this list by going to:
>
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow 
> 
>
> One more reminder on Friday then your chance for helping us plan this is 
> done.  Thanks for your time.
>
> Forbes Mercy
>
> WISPA - Promotions Committee Chair
>
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey

[Tom DeReggi]

Butch,

>> There are many venues to get quality MT content for example, I'd rather
>> WISPA push  content that WISPs cant get anywhere else to push a stronger
>> call to action to come.
>
> I don't understand this statement at all.  I am assuming you mean you
> would like to see content in this show that isn't being presented
> elsewhere.  If so, what, SPECIFICALLY, would you suggest?

To explain what I means. Quality Mikrotik Training available at...

1. Butch Evans training acadame  (I've seen your name many times on for pay 
training).
2. Dennis Webinars training,
3. Microik MUMs
4. Eje's training camps.
Etc etc etc etc.

If I want Mikrotik training, it will take me about 2 minutes to go find 
some. That is a COMPLIMENT to Mikrotik that they are developing such a 
strong support/training base in the USA.  So what I'm saying is that a WISPA 
show would not be a unique show of New content if it just became another 
standard Mikrotik training siminar. (I'd love to see Mikrotik specific 
training as either a parallel thread or piggy back as a day before/after 
main show.)

I do NOT mean to say that Mikrotik shouldn;t have any involvement or 
session. Mikrotik should have as much opportunity for exposure as any other 
vendors, and maybe even more because we have so many vendor members that 
sell Mikrotik. And we have so many GOOD Mikroik training people as resources 
to WISPA.

I'm simply suggesting that we look for unique content. I suggested MPLS, 
because I have not seen many sessions on MPLS at shows I attended. Its also 
a feature that I think many WISPs dont use yet, because its new, and 
ironically its probably one of the most unique things about Mikrotik. I can 
tell you if there was a MPLS for Mikrotik Session, I would surely attend it.

But you know, you are probably the better one to ask "what is unique 
Mikrotik training?" Because you provide so much training, you probably know 
what you have covered and haven't?  What are your suggestions?

But I'm also not saying it is easy to come up with unique topics, that is 
the big challenge of doing a great show.

> I think the content should include some technical discussions with
> specific products or technologies.  To use the example you brought up,
> MPLS, we could build a small MPLS network using Mikrotik and Cisco or
> any other product.  There could be a couple of sessions explaining the
> technology, THEN we could provide a "breakout session" where people
> could come in and experiment under the direction of someone who is
> knowledgeable in the particular area.  This could be a vendor,
> consultant or end user.  It wouldn't matter WHO provided the
> configuration, but someone who could answer questions about the demo.  I
> don't see this as "pushing a vendor specific content" as much as USING a
> known vendor for a particular technology.

I think that is an EXCELLENT idea as a format for the session.

> Back to reality, it could be Canopy, Mikrotik (nstreme) and maybe
> Alvarion or some others.  Each could offer a short "pitch" of what makes
> their solution better (about 5 minute limit each) and the remainder of
> the session could be Q&A.

Attendees would love that. Although not sure many vendors would like that.

But You did hit on a hot new topic of polling & TDD. The new trend is 
methods to mimic TDD, with hacked 802.11a MACs.
Polling is not a new idea, if go back to Karlnet, Trango, even Waverider. 
But there are surely new implentations of it.
We can use Ubiquiti's Airmux's new technique, or Mikrotik's NStreme, or 
Ligowave's proprietary MAC. I guess TDD and Polling are two different 
things, but its still the same kind if topic. It would be interesting to get 
the low down on the new technology. And compare how they stacked up to the 
old methods. Although that might needs some prior R&D testing to gather data 
before the presentation.  Or we just let the Vendors come tell us more about 
their new methods.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Butch Evans" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey


> On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 22:08 -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote:
>> Not that I'm generally a fan to push MT or vendor specific content.
>
> I disagree with your assessment here.  More on that below.
>
>> There are many venues to get quality MT content for example, I'd rather
>> WISPA push  content that WISPs cant get anywhere else to push a stronger
>> call to action to come.
>
> I don't understand this statement at all.  I am assuming you mean you
> would like to see content in this show that isn

Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey

[Marlon K. Schafer]

I'd agree with Tom's idea here.  Vendor specific training should run the day 
before or after INDUSTRY specific training.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom DeReggi" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey


> Butch,
>
>>> There are many venues to get quality MT content for example, I'd rather
>>> WISPA push  content that WISPs cant get anywhere else to push a stronger
>>> call to action to come.
>>
>> I don't understand this statement at all.  I am assuming you mean you
>> would like to see content in this show that isn't being presented
>> elsewhere.  If so, what, SPECIFICALLY, would you suggest?
>
> To explain what I means. Quality Mikrotik Training available at...
>
> 1. Butch Evans training acadame  (I've seen your name many times on for 
> pay
> training).
> 2. Dennis Webinars training,
> 3. Microik MUMs
> 4. Eje's training camps.
> Etc etc etc etc.
>
> If I want Mikrotik training, it will take me about 2 minutes to go find
> some. That is a COMPLIMENT to Mikrotik that they are developing such a
> strong support/training base in the USA.  So what I'm saying is that a 
> WISPA
> show would not be a unique show of New content if it just became another
> standard Mikrotik training siminar. (I'd love to see Mikrotik specific
> training as either a parallel thread or piggy back as a day before/after
> main show.)
>
> I do NOT mean to say that Mikrotik shouldn;t have any involvement or
> session. Mikrotik should have as much opportunity for exposure as any 
> other
> vendors, and maybe even more because we have so many vendor members that
> sell Mikrotik. And we have so many GOOD Mikroik training people as 
> resources
> to WISPA.
>
> I'm simply suggesting that we look for unique content. I suggested MPLS,
> because I have not seen many sessions on MPLS at shows I attended. Its 
> also
> a feature that I think many WISPs dont use yet, because its new, and
> ironically its probably one of the most unique things about Mikrotik. I 
> can
> tell you if there was a MPLS for Mikrotik Session, I would surely attend 
> it.
>
> But you know, you are probably the better one to ask "what is unique
> Mikrotik training?" Because you provide so much training, you probably 
> know
> what you have covered and haven't?  What are your suggestions?
>
> But I'm also not saying it is easy to come up with unique topics, that is
> the big challenge of doing a great show.
>
>> I think the content should include some technical discussions with
>> specific products or technologies.  To use the example you brought up,
>> MPLS, we could build a small MPLS network using Mikrotik and Cisco or
>> any other product.  There could be a couple of sessions explaining the
>> technology, THEN we could provide a "breakout session" where people
>> could come in and experiment under the direction of someone who is
>> knowledgeable in the particular area.  This could be a vendor,
>> consultant or end user.  It wouldn't matter WHO provided the
>> configuration, but someone who could answer questions about the demo.  I
>> don't see this as "pushing a vendor specific content" as much as USING a
>> known vendor for a particular technology.
>
> I think that is an EXCELLENT idea as a format for the session.
>
>> Back to reality, it could be Canopy, Mikrotik (nstreme) and maybe
>> Alvarion or some others.  Each could offer a short "pitch" of what makes
>> their solution better (about 5 minute limit each) and the remainder of
>> the session could be Q&A.
>
> Attendees would love that. Although not sure many vendors would like that.
>
> But You did hit on a hot new topic of polling & TDD. The new trend is
> methods to mimic TDD, with hacked 802.11a MACs.
> Polling is not a new idea, if go back to Karlnet, Trango, even Waverider.
> But there are surely new implentations of it.
> We can use Ubiquiti's Airmux's new technique, or Mikrotik's NStreme, or
> Ligowave's proprietary MAC. I guess TDD and Polling are two different
> things, but its still the same kind if topic. It would be interesting to 
> get
> the low down on the new technology. And compare how they stacked up to the
> old methods. Although that might needs some prior R&D testing to gather 
> data
> before the presentation.  Or we just let the Vendors come tell us more 
> about
> their new methods.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>

Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey

[Matt Jenkins]

I was just giving examples. I was not saying show only those vendors 
equipment, but trying to convey that having discussions that compare and 
contract types of hardware like routers, or layer 3 switches, etc. Or 
maybe a discussion that shows to to create effective routing solutions 
showing examples using equipment like image stream, cisco, juniper, 
'tik, dell, zyxel, etc. People can show their examples and why they used 
them.

Chuck Profito wrote:
> You mean like Image stream ?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Matt Jenkins
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:29 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey
> 
> I took the survey, however it did not allow me to add in other comments. So:
> 
> The biggest problem I have with most of these Trade shows is that its a 
> bunch of sales/marketing guys who have no actual idea how the product 
> works and cannot answer in depth technical questions. I can get all of 
> the sales and marketing information that they present on the website or 
> from talking to my usual vendors. What I want is a Product Engineering 
> Show where engineers come and demonstrate their products and I can see 
> actual comparisons of performance, ask detailed questions, etc.
> 
> For example: I want to have talks from engineers who can answer 
> questions. I want to have talks by real operators on how they implement 
> OSPF to redistribute BGP across their networks. I want to hear talks 
> from people that combine Motorola Canopy, Ubiquiti, Ligowave, Mikrotik, 
> and Netsys to create innovative solutions for providing data coverage. 
> All should be able to show examples.
> 
> Just my 2 cents...
> 
> - Matt
> 
> Forbes Mercy wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey

[Matt Jenkins]

I meant there wasn't a big text area at the bottom where I could type up 
additional comments.

Forbes Mercy wrote:
> Thanks for the comment but you are incorrect, there is a field for your 
> comments on many of the questions, specifically the one you talked about.
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> I took the survey, however it did not allow me to add in other comments. So:
> 
> The biggest problem I have with most of these Trade shows is that its a
> bunch of sales/marketing guys who have no actual idea how the product
> works and cannot answer in depth technical questions. I can get all of
> the sales and marketing information that they present on the website or
> from talking to my usual vendors. What I want is a Product Engineering
> Show where engineers come and demonstrate their products and I can see
> actual comparisons of performance, ask detailed questions, etc.
> 
> For example: I want to have talks from engineers who can answer
> questions. I want to have talks by real operators on how they implement
> OSPF to redistribute BGP across their networks. I want to hear talks
> from people that combine Motorola Canopy, Ubiquiti, Ligowave, Mikrotik,
> and Netsys to create innovative solutions for providing data coverage.
> All should be able to show examples.
> 
> Just my 2 cents...
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> - Matt
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> Forbes Mercy wrote:
>> REMINDER TO PROVIDE INPUT
>>
>> WISPA is researching the possibility of putting on a Trade Show this spring. 
>>  We put up a survey last week for you to answer basic questions as to what 
>> you would like to see in this show.  As of Tuesday we had about 40 
>> responses, far below the 300+ members and many more non-members who 
>> subscribe to this list.  We are leaving the survey up until Friday evening 
>> so members have seven days to fill out this brief survey.  If you have not 
>> filled out the survey please go to:  
>> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=wsWAhIYE3XfDaKLojwMeNQ_3d_3d
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>> Also a list serve has been set up specifically for the organization of the 
>> trade show, you can subscribe to this list by going to:
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>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow 
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>> One more reminder on Friday then your chance for helping us plan this is 
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