RE: Apple Petition- Continued
Sure. Will raise it thusly. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 2:13 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition- Continued Lee, I see the petition has a goal of 350 and we are now over 300. Perhaps we should raise the goal to 500 or 1000. I have just alerted a network vendor that has primarily Higher Ed customers. They are very interested. Bruce Osborne Network Engineer IT Network Services (434) 592-4229 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY Training Champions for Christ since 1971 From: Lee H Badman [mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 8:51 AM Subject: Apple Petition- Continued Hi Everyone- After getting a bit of interest from a couple of CIOs, we're back to this group being the best bet to bring the petition initiative to a point where we have given it our best effort and present it to Apple. If you recall, Neil stepped up and created both the draft petition and a companion Facebook group, and as a group we gave ourselves a window for comments and input and then said "all done". To move this forward and not discard the efforts and sentiments of this group I offer that we: - Do as several of you suggested and turn this into an online petition - Set a "please sign by" date and then get as many signatures as we can - At a date agreed upon, all forward to our Apple reps, en masse. If anyone has an alternative idea on how to finish this out, please say so. Regards- Lee Badman ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: Apple Petition- Continued
Lee, I see the petition has a goal of 350 and we are now over 300. Perhaps we should raise the goal to 500 or 1000. I have just alerted a network vendor that has primarily Higher Ed customers. They are very interested. Bruce Osborne Network Engineer IT Network Services (434) 592-4229 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY Training Champions for Christ since 1971 From: Lee H Badman [mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 8:51 AM Subject: Apple Petition- Continued Hi Everyone- After getting a bit of interest from a couple of CIOs, we're back to this group being the best bet to bring the petition initiative to a point where we have given it our best effort and present it to Apple. If you recall, Neil stepped up and created both the draft petition and a companion Facebook group, and as a group we gave ourselves a window for comments and input and then said "all done". To move this forward and not discard the efforts and sentiments of this group I offer that we: - Do as several of you suggested and turn this into an online petition - Set a "please sign by" date and then get as many signatures as we can - At a date agreed upon, all forward to our Apple reps, en masse. If anyone has an alternative idea on how to finish this out, please say so. Regards- Lee Badman ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: Apple Petition- Continued
Sigh... the cost of "free" From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Osborne, Bruce W [bosbo...@liberty.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:15 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition- Continued CAUTON: When you sign this petition, you get subscribed to change.org’s email list. Bruce Osborne Network Engineer IT Network Services (434) 592-4229 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY Training Champions for Christ since 1971 From: Lee H Badman [mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 8:51 AM Subject: Apple Petition- Continued Hi Everyone- After getting a bit of interest from a couple of CIOs, we’re back to this group being the best bet to bring the petition initiative to a point where we have given it our best effort and present it to Apple. If you recall, Neil stepped up and created both the draft petition and a companion Facebook group, and as a group we gave ourselves a window for comments and input and then said “all done”. To move this forward and not discard the efforts and sentiments of this group I offer that we: - Do as several of you suggested and turn this into an online petition - Set a “please sign by” date and then get as many signatures as we can - At a date agreed upon, all forward to our Apple reps, en masse. If anyone has an alternative idea on how to finish this out, please say so. Regards- Lee Badman ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: Apple Petition- Continued
CAUTON: When you sign this petition, you get subscribed to change.org's email list. Bruce Osborne Network Engineer IT Network Services (434) 592-4229 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY Training Champions for Christ since 1971 From: Lee H Badman [mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 8:51 AM Subject: Apple Petition- Continued Hi Everyone- After getting a bit of interest from a couple of CIOs, we're back to this group being the best bet to bring the petition initiative to a point where we have given it our best effort and present it to Apple. If you recall, Neil stepped up and created both the draft petition and a companion Facebook group, and as a group we gave ourselves a window for comments and input and then said "all done". To move this forward and not discard the efforts and sentiments of this group I offer that we: - Do as several of you suggested and turn this into an online petition - Set a "please sign by" date and then get as many signatures as we can - At a date agreed upon, all forward to our Apple reps, en masse. If anyone has an alternative idea on how to finish this out, please say so. Regards- Lee Badman ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: Apple Petition- Some Starting Media Coverage
Thanks Lee From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 9:35 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Apple Petition- Some Starting Media Coverage http://www.networkcomputing.com/wireless/240003500?token=a19039bbc22ec2cf1b6068849d80a189 FYI ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: Apple Petition- Some Starting Media Coverage
Well said Lee. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:35 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition- Some Starting Media Coverage http://www.networkcomputing.com/wireless/240003500?token=a19039bbc22ec2cf1b6068849d80a189 FYI ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check
Since we're a networking group I think we need to keep the focus on networking issues. More specifically service advertisement (Bonjour) and wireless authentication (lack of support for WPA2-Enterprise). What Apple hasn't understood that is while creating great devices for homes our students' "homes away from home" are on an enterprise network. If they're able to come to an understanding of that maybe their R&D will be more likely to take that into account. I don't know if Apple knows, or even cares, how many of their devices touch enterprise networks. They normally only hear complaints on a single device (or from a single institution) at a time. We could possibly give them a count that might get their attention. Mearl Danner Systems Programmer Samford University Technology Services http://www.samford.edu From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 10:01 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check I understand why there is a benefit to keeping the scope focused, but I agree that there is some merit in at least making some more general statements about the difficulties of running Apple products in the enterprise. Pete Morrissey From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]> On Behalf Of Kellogg, Brian D. Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 10:43 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check I don't use facebook so I think this would be a good move. After discussing this with a colleague at another university I believe a broader approach than just addressing Bonjour is justified. Apple does have many deficiencies to address in the enterprise. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Garry Peirce Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 1:26 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check Hearing that some do not use FB that wish to sign, perhaps moving it to a site like http://www.change.org<http://www.change.org/> is a possibility, or perhaps a page could be hosted on the Educause website itself? The petition's main statement reads: "We the undersigned academic and research institutions request that Apple provide support for Bonjour/Airplay technology in enterprise networks." Might I suggest a possible refinement to: "We the undersigned academic and research institutions request that Apple collaborate with us to improve Bonjour/Airplay technologies in enterprise networks." For me, if DNS-SD worked for Airplay (as it does for printing) , my current hurdle would largely be solved. That would also require the AppleTV concession made to content-providers relaxed or removed. Perhaps they could make an alternative AppleTV image that allows DNS-SD to work, but removes the content-provider features (?). If one needs both the content services and Airplay across subnets, that seems the immediate problem we'd like Apple to help solve in lieu of other proprietary solutions. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]> On Behalf Of Jesse Rink Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:34 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check So for those of us without Facebook, no way of signing it? From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]> On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 8:14 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check Folks, Those interested seem to agree that we'd discuss specific pain points regarding "those other" Apple devices like AppleTv and any AirPlay/Bonjour-dependent gadgets until Friday, at which point we'd firm up the petition and find a place to host it. Then would come signatures, and ultimately presenting it to Apple, possibly via each of our Apple reps. Neil Johnson has started the companion Facebook group, and has drafted the early version of what everyone appears to want from Apple development in petition form at https://www.facebook.com/groups/enterpriseairplay with 72 members joining thus far. (Thanks, Neil) We
RE: Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check
I understand why there is a benefit to keeping the scope focused, but I agree that there is some merit in at least making some more general statements about the difficulties of running Apple products in the enterprise. Pete Morrissey From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Kellogg, Brian D. Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 10:43 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check I don't use facebook so I think this would be a good move. After discussing this with a colleague at another university I believe a broader approach than just addressing Bonjour is justified. Apple does have many deficiencies to address in the enterprise. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Garry Peirce Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 1:26 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check Hearing that some do not use FB that wish to sign, perhaps moving it to a site like http://www.change.org<http://www.change.org/> is a possibility, or perhaps a page could be hosted on the Educause website itself? The petition's main statement reads: "We the undersigned academic and research institutions request that Apple provide support for Bonjour/Airplay technology in enterprise networks." Might I suggest a possible refinement to: "We the undersigned academic and research institutions request that Apple collaborate with us to improve Bonjour/Airplay technologies in enterprise networks." For me, if DNS-SD worked for Airplay (as it does for printing) , my current hurdle would largely be solved. That would also require the AppleTV concession made to content-providers relaxed or removed. Perhaps they could make an alternative AppleTV image that allows DNS-SD to work, but removes the content-provider features (?). If one needs both the content services and Airplay across subnets, that seems the immediate problem we'd like Apple to help solve in lieu of other proprietary solutions. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]> On Behalf Of Jesse Rink Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:34 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check So for those of us without Facebook, no way of signing it? From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]> On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 8:14 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check Folks, Those interested seem to agree that we'd discuss specific pain points regarding "those other" Apple devices like AppleTv and any AirPlay/Bonjour-dependent gadgets until Friday, at which point we'd firm up the petition and find a place to host it. Then would come signatures, and ultimately presenting it to Apple, possibly via each of our Apple reps. Neil Johnson has started the companion Facebook group, and has drafted the early version of what everyone appears to want from Apple development in petition form at https://www.facebook.com/groups/enterpriseairplay with 72 members joining thus far. (Thanks, Neil) We have at least one CIO interested, and interested in sharing it with other CIOs via Educause if petition is done in a constructive, fact-based way. We also have a bit of media coverage coming soon on the process, with potentially more to follow. A lot of excellent technical discussion has been spawned during all of this, and as usual, the interaction has been great between list members. All of that being said, it is worth asking: * Is the group still feeling good about the direction this initiative is going in? * Does anyone have any problems with the wording and points in the doc so far? * Is everyone interested able to sign on behalf of their institution/organization? If not, can you get empowered or find someone who can sign? * Has anyone else approached senior IT management and found interest? Any other CIOs game at this point? * Any other mid-week thoughts, concerns, comments on the topic? Regards- Lee Badman ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found
RE: Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check
I agree that there is a need to address all of the enterprise issues. We are really struggling with the AppleID on iOS and it is going to get 10x worse for us when we are forced to use Mountain Lion and everything has to come to the app store. Maybe dividing it by "topic" is the best way though. Networking issues, software/OS deployement issues, etc. Tim Cappalli, ACMP CCNA | (802) 626-6456 Office of Information Technology (OIT) | Lyndon > cappa...@lyndonstate.edu<mailto:cappa...@lyndonstate.edu> | > oit.lyndonstate.edu<http://it.lyndonstate.edu/> [cid:image001.png@01CD601B.BD3038D0]<http://facebook.com/LyndonOIT>[cid:image002.png@01CD601B.BD3038D0]<http://twitter.com/#!/LyndonOIT>[cid:image003.png@01CD601B.BD3038D0]<http://gplus.to/LyndonOIT> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Kellogg, Brian D. Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 10:43 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check I don't use facebook so I think this would be a good move. After discussing this with a colleague at another university I believe a broader approach than just addressing Bonjour is justified. Apple does have many deficiencies to address in the enterprise. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]> On Behalf Of Garry Peirce Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 1:26 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check Hearing that some do not use FB that wish to sign, perhaps moving it to a site like http://www.change.org<http://www.change.org/> is a possibility, or perhaps a page could be hosted on the Educause website itself? The petition's main statement reads: "We the undersigned academic and research institutions request that Apple provide support for Bonjour/Airplay technology in enterprise networks." Might I suggest a possible refinement to: "We the undersigned academic and research institutions request that Apple collaborate with us to improve Bonjour/Airplay technologies in enterprise networks." For me, if DNS-SD worked for Airplay (as it does for printing) , my current hurdle would largely be solved. That would also require the AppleTV concession made to content-providers relaxed or removed. Perhaps they could make an alternative AppleTV image that allows DNS-SD to work, but removes the content-provider features (?). If one needs both the content services and Airplay across subnets, that seems the immediate problem we'd like Apple to help solve in lieu of other proprietary solutions. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]> On Behalf Of Jesse Rink Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:34 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check So for those of us without Facebook, no way of signing it? From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]> On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 8:14 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check Folks, Those interested seem to agree that we'd discuss specific pain points regarding "those other" Apple devices like AppleTv and any AirPlay/Bonjour-dependent gadgets until Friday, at which point we'd firm up the petition and find a place to host it. Then would come signatures, and ultimately presenting it to Apple, possibly via each of our Apple reps. Neil Johnson has started the companion Facebook group, and has drafted the early version of what everyone appears to want from Apple development in petition form at https://www.facebook.com/groups/enterpriseairplay with 72 members joining thus far. (Thanks, Neil) We have at least one CIO interested, and interested in sharing it with other CIOs via Educause if petition is done in a constructive, fact-based way. We also have a bit of media coverage coming soon on the process, with potentially more to follow. A lot of excellent technical discussion has been spawned during all of this, and as usual, the interaction has been great between list members. All of that being said, it is worth asking: * Is the group still feeling good about the direction this initiative is going in? * Does anyone have any problems with the wording and points in the doc so far? *
RE: Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check
I don't use facebook so I think this would be a good move. After discussing this with a colleague at another university I believe a broader approach than just addressing Bonjour is justified. Apple does have many deficiencies to address in the enterprise. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Garry Peirce Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 1:26 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check Hearing that some do not use FB that wish to sign, perhaps moving it to a site like http://www.change.org<http://www.change.org/> is a possibility, or perhaps a page could be hosted on the Educause website itself? The petition's main statement reads: "We the undersigned academic and research institutions request that Apple provide support for Bonjour/Airplay technology in enterprise networks." Might I suggest a possible refinement to: "We the undersigned academic and research institutions request that Apple collaborate with us to improve Bonjour/Airplay technologies in enterprise networks." For me, if DNS-SD worked for Airplay (as it does for printing) , my current hurdle would largely be solved. That would also require the AppleTV concession made to content-providers relaxed or removed. Perhaps they could make an alternative AppleTV image that allows DNS-SD to work, but removes the content-provider features (?). If one needs both the content services and Airplay across subnets, that seems the immediate problem we'd like Apple to help solve in lieu of other proprietary solutions. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]> On Behalf Of Jesse Rink Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:34 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check So for those of us without Facebook, no way of signing it? From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]> On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 8:14 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check Folks, Those interested seem to agree that we'd discuss specific pain points regarding "those other" Apple devices like AppleTv and any AirPlay/Bonjour-dependent gadgets until Friday, at which point we'd firm up the petition and find a place to host it. Then would come signatures, and ultimately presenting it to Apple, possibly via each of our Apple reps. Neil Johnson has started the companion Facebook group, and has drafted the early version of what everyone appears to want from Apple development in petition form at https://www.facebook.com/groups/enterpriseairplay with 72 members joining thus far. (Thanks, Neil) We have at least one CIO interested, and interested in sharing it with other CIOs via Educause if petition is done in a constructive, fact-based way. We also have a bit of media coverage coming soon on the process, with potentially more to follow. A lot of excellent technical discussion has been spawned during all of this, and as usual, the interaction has been great between list members. All of that being said, it is worth asking: * Is the group still feeling good about the direction this initiative is going in? * Does anyone have any problems with the wording and points in the doc so far? * Is everyone interested able to sign on behalf of their institution/organization? If not, can you get empowered or find someone who can sign? * Has anyone else approached senior IT management and found interest? Any other CIOs game at this point? * Any other mid-week thoughts, concerns, comments on the topic? Regards- Lee Badman ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check
I agree. I think if it get too broad it is just going to look like a well-organized rant. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Johnson, Neil M Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 10:25 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check It's just my opinion, but while asking Apple to implement OKC sounds like worthwhile idea, I'd like to keep the focus on Bonjour and Airplay for this petition. -Neil -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu<mailto:neil-john...@uiowa.edu> From: "Curtis K. Larsen (UIT-Network)" mailto:curtis.k.lar...@utah.edu>> Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Date: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 9:05 AM To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>" mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check What is the scope of the petition? What is the goal? Is it only to improve the Airplay feature in the enterprise? If so, the petition looks fine to me. If the goal is to encourage Apple to incorporate enterprise support in *all* of their products, then we should include more lacking enterprise features in other products in the petition. I don't want to muddy the waters with the message we are sending, but in my opinion - as soon as you get things like Airplay working you have another big problem and that is that you cannot pull off a seamless roam from any Apple device connected to a WPA2-Enterprise SSID. So if you are fine with telling those users to stay put while doing Airplay, or voice apps, etc. then no biggie, but if you want to support mobile real-time video/voice - these devices have to support a fast-roam using an Enterprise method. Since Windows XP, microsoft supports this - it is called "opportunistic key caching". You can add the feature to Linux by editing the wpa_supplicant.conf file and adding "proactive key caching". All of the WiFi phones (Cisco, Avaya, Polycom) support this. Not a single Mac or iOS device does. Some think 802.11r is the solution - I have my doubts that Apple will ever incorporate 802.11r, and if they did and you turn it on, then all of your other non-802.11r devices on that SSID will no longer fast-roam. ...May be something to consider. Curtis Larsen University of Utah Wireless Network Engineer Office 801-587-1313 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] on behalf of Lee H Badman [lhbad...@syr.edu<mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu>]u Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:13 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check Folks, Those interested seem to agree that we'd discuss specific pain points regarding "those other" Apple devices like AppleTv and any AirPlay/Bonjour-dependent gadgets until Friday, at which point we'd firm up the petition and find a place to host it. Then would come signatures, and ultimately presenting it to Apple, possibly via each of our Apple reps. Neil Johnson has started the companion Facebook group, and has drafted the early version of what everyone appears to want from Apple development in petition form at https://www.facebook.com/groups/enterpriseairplay with 72 members joining thus far. (Thanks, Neil) We have at least one CIO interested, and interested in sharing it with other CIOs via Educause if petition is done in a constructive, fact-based way. We also have a bit of media coverage coming soon on the process, with potentially more to follow. A lot of excellent technical discussion has been spawned during all of this, and as usual, the interaction has been great between list members. All of that being said, it is worth asking: * Is the group still feeling good about the direction this initiative is going in? * Does anyone have any problems with the wording and points in the doc so far? * Is everyone interested able to sign on behalf of their institution/organization? If not, can you get empowered or find someone who can sign? * Has anyone else approached senior IT management and found interest? Any other CIOs game at this point? * Any other mid-week thoughts, concerns, comments on the topic? Regards- Lee Badman ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation
RE: Apple Petition
Yep -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chris Murphy Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 9:48 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: Apple Petition Honestly, if I could just enter a FQDN for an Apple TV or a printer I'd be ecstatic. -Chris On Jul 11, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Danner, Mearl wrote: > But it's still link-local and requires management of an enterprise-wide flat > VLAN architecture. No IP addresses I can see. Just the hardware address. > > Don't we want something IP based similar to dynamic DNS? Microsoft provided > WINS and then Active Directory to allow their OSes to move from local subnet > broadcast based discovery. Novell used SLP when they moved from IPX to IP. > > Don't we want Apple to provide us with something similar? > > Mearl > > -Original Message- > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv > [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Kellogg, Brian D. > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:03 PM > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition > > I might be misunderstanding something; if so please correct me. When I setup > a Linux MDNS server the bonjour devices all auto registered with the DNS > server so there were no entries I had to manually create. I used a subdomain > to keep them from cluttering up the our root domain for all bonjour devices, > but I only tested with a handful of devices and found that some devices would > not query MDNS for the resource records. > > -Brian > > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv > [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Johnson, Neil M > [neil-john...@uiowa.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:41 PM > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > Subject: Re: Apple Petition > > My concern is that certain fields appear to contain dynamic information like > the software version (see "srcvers=120.2) and other information (what does > "35CF2488F02660B1" mean ?). > > The only way it seems to collect this information is to connect the device to > local net, run Bonjour Browser or run "dns-sd -Z" command on a MAC and copy > and paste results into your DNS configs. > > If certain data is dynamic then, you are out of luck. > > -Neil > > -- > Neil Johnson > Network Engineer > The University of Iowa > Phone: 319 384-0938 > Fax: 319 335-2951 > Mobile: 319 540-2081 > E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu > > > From: Joel Coehoorn mailto:jcoeho...@york.edu>> > Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv > mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> > Date: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:22 PM > To: > "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>" > > mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition > > If those entries work, and are all that is needed, then we're not far from > full support. It seems like we could get a tool or set of scripts to automate > creating/modifying the needed records. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 10, 2012, at 7:11 PM, "Johnson, Neil M" > mailto:neil-john...@uiowa.edu>> wrote: > > We looked into DNS-SD, but with entries like this (example taken from an > earlier e-mail from Oscar Silva at the Univ. or Texas , and confirmed by our > own testing): > > > _airplay._tcp PTR utnet-appletv._airplay._tcp > > > > utnet-appletv._airplay._tcp SRV 0 0 7000 > utnet-appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu<http://utnet-appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu>. ; > Replace with unicast FQDN of target host > > utnet-appletv._airplay._tcp TXT "deviceid=28:E7:CF:DB:6E:E0" > "features=0x39f7" "model=AppleTV2,1" "pw=1" "srcvers=120.2" > > > > _raop._tcpPTR > 28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp<mailto:28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp> > > > > 28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp<mailto:28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp> > SRV 0 0 49152 > utnet-appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu<http://utnet-appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu>. ; > Replace with unicast FQDN of target host > > 28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp<mailto:28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp> > TXT "txtvers=1" "ch=2" "cn=0,1,2,3" "da=true" "et=0,3" "md=0,1,2" "pw=true" > "sv=false" "s
RE: Apple Petition
>From what I read the MDNS registration is link local, but once registered than >other Bonjour clients can query the MDNS records and connect across VLANs. >The issue I ran into is that most Bonjour clients I tested could not connect >across VLANs. I thought the original post was more of a complaint on creating the resource records manually, sorry. -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Danner, Mearl Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 9:44 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: Apple Petition But it's still link-local and requires management of an enterprise-wide flat VLAN architecture. No IP addresses I can see. Just the hardware address. Don't we want something IP based similar to dynamic DNS? Microsoft provided WINS and then Active Directory to allow their OSes to move from local subnet broadcast based discovery. Novell used SLP when they moved from IPX to IP. Don't we want Apple to provide us with something similar? Mearl -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Kellogg, Brian D. Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:03 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition I might be misunderstanding something; if so please correct me. When I setup a Linux MDNS server the bonjour devices all auto registered with the DNS server so there were no entries I had to manually create. I used a subdomain to keep them from cluttering up the our root domain for all bonjour devices, but I only tested with a handful of devices and found that some devices would not query MDNS for the resource records. -Brian From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Johnson, Neil M [neil-john...@uiowa.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:41 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: Apple Petition My concern is that certain fields appear to contain dynamic information like the software version (see "srcvers=120.2) and other information (what does "35CF2488F02660B1" mean ?). The only way it seems to collect this information is to connect the device to local net, run Bonjour Browser or run "dns-sd -Z" command on a MAC and copy and paste results into your DNS configs. If certain data is dynamic then, you are out of luck. -Neil -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu From: Joel Coehoorn mailto:jcoeho...@york.edu>> Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Date: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:22 PM To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>" mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition If those entries work, and are all that is needed, then we're not far from full support. It seems like we could get a tool or set of scripts to automate creating/modifying the needed records. Sent from my iPad On Jul 10, 2012, at 7:11 PM, "Johnson, Neil M" mailto:neil-john...@uiowa.edu>> wrote: We looked into DNS-SD, but with entries like this (example taken from an earlier e-mail from Oscar Silva at the Univ. or Texas , and confirmed by our own testing): _airplay._tcp PTR utnet-appletv._airplay._tcp utnet-appletv._airplay._tcp SRV 0 0 7000 utnet-appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu<http://utnet-appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu>. ; Replace with unicast FQDN of target host utnet-appletv._airplay._tcp TXT "deviceid=28:E7:CF:DB:6E:E0" "features=0x39f7" "model=AppleTV2,1" "pw=1" "srcvers=120.2" _raop._tcpPTR 28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp<mailto:28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp> 28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp<mailto:28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp> SRV 0 0 49152 utnet-appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu<http://utnet-appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu>. ; Replace with unicast FQDN of target host 28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp<mailto:28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp> TXT "txtvers=1" "ch=2" "cn=0,1,2,3" "da=true" "et=0,3" "md=0,1,2" "pw=true" "sv=false" "sr=44100" "ss=16" "tp=UDP" "vn=65537" "vs=120.2" "am=AppleTV2,1" "sf=0x4" _appletv-v2._tcp PTR 35CF2488F02660B1._appletv-v2._tcp 35CF2488F02660B1._appletv-v2._tcp SRV 0 0 3689 utnet- appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu<http://appl
RE: Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check
What is the scope of the petition? What is the goal? Is it only to improve the Airplay feature in the enterprise? If so, the petition looks fine to me. If the goal is to encourage Apple to incorporate enterprise support in *all* of their products, then we should include more lacking enterprise features in other products in the petition. I don't want to muddy the waters with the message we are sending, but in my opinion - as soon as you get things like Airplay working you have another big problem and that is that you cannot pull off a seamless roam from any Apple device connected to a WPA2-Enterprise SSID. So if you are fine with telling those users to stay put while doing Airplay, or voice apps, etc. then no biggie, but if you want to support mobile real-time video/voice - these devices have to support a fast-roam using an Enterprise method. Since Windows XP, microsoft supports this - it is called "opportunistic key caching". You can add the feature to Linux by editing the wpa_supplicant.conf file and adding "proactive key caching". All of the WiFi phones (Cisco, Avaya, Polycom) support this. Not a single Mac or iOS device does. Some think 802.11r is the solution - I have my doubts that Apple will ever incorporate 802.11r, and if they did and you turn it on, then all of your other non-802.11r devices on that SSID will no longer fast-roam. ...May be something to consider. Curtis Larsen University of Utah Wireless Network Engineer Office 801-587-1313 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Lee H Badman [lhbad...@syr.edu]u Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:13 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check Folks, Those interested seem to agree that we’d discuss specific pain points regarding “those other” Apple devices like AppleTv and any AirPlay/Bonjour-dependent gadgets until Friday, at which point we’d firm up the petition and find a place to host it. Then would come signatures, and ultimately presenting it to Apple, possibly via each of our Apple reps. Neil Johnson has started the companion Facebook group, and has drafted the early version of what everyone appears to want from Apple development in petition form at https://www.facebook.com/groups/enterpriseairplay with 72 members joining thus far. (Thanks, Neil) We have at least one CIO interested, and interested in sharing it with other CIOs via Educause if petition is done in a constructive, fact-based way. We also have a bit of media coverage coming soon on the process, with potentially more to follow. A lot of excellent technical discussion has been spawned during all of this, and as usual, the interaction has been great between list members. All of that being said, it is worth asking: · Is the group still feeling good about the direction this initiative is going in? · Does anyone have any problems with the wording and points in the doc so far? · Is everyone interested able to sign on behalf of their institution/organization? If not, can you get empowered or find someone who can sign? · Has anyone else approached senior IT management and found interest? Any other CIOs game at this point? · Any other mid-week thoughts, concerns, comments on the topic? Regards- Lee Badman ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: Apple Petition
But it's still link-local and requires management of an enterprise-wide flat VLAN architecture. No IP addresses I can see. Just the hardware address. Don't we want something IP based similar to dynamic DNS? Microsoft provided WINS and then Active Directory to allow their OSes to move from local subnet broadcast based discovery. Novell used SLP when they moved from IPX to IP. Don't we want Apple to provide us with something similar? Mearl -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Kellogg, Brian D. Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:03 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition I might be misunderstanding something; if so please correct me. When I setup a Linux MDNS server the bonjour devices all auto registered with the DNS server so there were no entries I had to manually create. I used a subdomain to keep them from cluttering up the our root domain for all bonjour devices, but I only tested with a handful of devices and found that some devices would not query MDNS for the resource records. -Brian From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Johnson, Neil M [neil-john...@uiowa.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:41 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: Apple Petition My concern is that certain fields appear to contain dynamic information like the software version (see "srcvers=120.2) and other information (what does "35CF2488F02660B1" mean ?). The only way it seems to collect this information is to connect the device to local net, run Bonjour Browser or run "dns-sd -Z" command on a MAC and copy and paste results into your DNS configs. If certain data is dynamic then, you are out of luck. -Neil -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu From: Joel Coehoorn mailto:jcoeho...@york.edu>> Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Date: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:22 PM To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>" mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition If those entries work, and are all that is needed, then we're not far from full support. It seems like we could get a tool or set of scripts to automate creating/modifying the needed records. Sent from my iPad On Jul 10, 2012, at 7:11 PM, "Johnson, Neil M" mailto:neil-john...@uiowa.edu>> wrote: We looked into DNS-SD, but with entries like this (example taken from an earlier e-mail from Oscar Silva at the Univ. or Texas , and confirmed by our own testing): _airplay._tcp PTR utnet-appletv._airplay._tcp utnet-appletv._airplay._tcp SRV 0 0 7000 utnet-appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu<http://utnet-appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu>. ; Replace with unicast FQDN of target host utnet-appletv._airplay._tcp TXT "deviceid=28:E7:CF:DB:6E:E0" "features=0x39f7" "model=AppleTV2,1" "pw=1" "srcvers=120.2" _raop._tcpPTR 28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp<mailto:28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp> 28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp<mailto:28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp> SRV 0 0 49152 utnet-appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu<http://utnet-appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu>. ; Replace with unicast FQDN of target host 28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp<mailto:28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp> TXT "txtvers=1" "ch=2" "cn=0,1,2,3" "da=true" "et=0,3" "md=0,1,2" "pw=true" "sv=false" "sr=44100" "ss=16" "tp=UDP" "vn=65537" "vs=120.2" "am=AppleTV2,1" "sf=0x4" _appletv-v2._tcp PTR 35CF2488F02660B1._appletv-v2._tcp 35CF2488F02660B1._appletv-v2._tcp SRV 0 0 3689 utnet- appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu<http://appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu>. ; Replace with unicast FQDN of target host 35CF2488F02660B1._appletv-v2._tcp TXT "txtvers=1" "hG=-06f6-4f5d-0171-0bcc51d34d14" "MniT=167845888" "fs=2" "Name=utnet-appletv" "PrVs=65538" "DFID=2" "EiTS=1" "MiTPV=196611" _sleep-proxy._udp PTR 70-35-60-63\032utnet-appletv._sleep-proxy._udp 70-35-60-63\032utnet-appletv._sleep-proxy._udp SRV 0 0 55597 utnet-appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu<http://utnet-appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu>. ; Replace with unicast FQDN of target host 70-35-60-63\032utnet-app
RE: Apple Petition
I might be misunderstanding something; if so please correct me. When I setup a Linux MDNS server the bonjour devices all auto registered with the DNS server so there were no entries I had to manually create. I used a subdomain to keep them from cluttering up the our root domain for all bonjour devices, but I only tested with a handful of devices and found that some devices would not query MDNS for the resource records. -Brian From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Johnson, Neil M [neil-john...@uiowa.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:41 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: Apple Petition My concern is that certain fields appear to contain dynamic information like the software version (see "srcvers=120.2) and other information (what does "35CF2488F02660B1" mean ?). The only way it seems to collect this information is to connect the device to local net, run Bonjour Browser or run "dns-sd –Z" command on a MAC and copy and paste results into your DNS configs. If certain data is dynamic then, you are out of luck. -Neil -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu From: Joel Coehoorn mailto:jcoeho...@york.edu>> Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Date: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:22 PM To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>" mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition If those entries work, and are all that is needed, then we're not far from full support. It seems like we could get a tool or set of scripts to automate creating/modifying the needed records. Sent from my iPad On Jul 10, 2012, at 7:11 PM, "Johnson, Neil M" mailto:neil-john...@uiowa.edu>> wrote: We looked into DNS-SD, but with entries like this (example taken from an earlier e-mail from Oscar Silva at the Univ. or Texas , and confirmed by our own testing): _airplay._tcp PTR utnet-appletv._airplay._tcp utnet-appletv._airplay._tcp SRV 0 0 7000 utnet-appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu<http://utnet-appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu>. ; Replace with unicast FQDN of target host utnet-appletv._airplay._tcp TXT "deviceid=28:E7:CF:DB:6E:E0" "features=0x39f7" "model=AppleTV2,1" "pw=1" "srcvers=120.2" _raop._tcpPTR 28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp<mailto:28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp> 28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp<mailto:28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp> SRV 0 0 49152 utnet-appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu<http://utnet-appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu>. ; Replace with unicast FQDN of target host 28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp<mailto:28E7CFDB6EE0@utnet-appletv._raop._tcp> TXT "txtvers=1" "ch=2" "cn=0,1,2,3" "da=true" "et=0,3" "md=0,1,2" "pw=true" "sv=false" "sr=44100" "ss=16" "tp=UDP" "vn=65537" "vs=120.2" "am=AppleTV2,1" "sf=0x4" _appletv-v2._tcp PTR 35CF2488F02660B1._appletv-v2._tcp 35CF2488F02660B1._appletv-v2._tcp SRV 0 0 3689 utnet- appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu<http://appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu>. ; Replace with unicast FQDN of target host 35CF2488F02660B1._appletv-v2._tcp TXT "txtvers=1" "hG=-06f6-4f5d-0171-0bcc51d34d14" "MniT=167845888" "fs=2" "Name=utnet-appletv" "PrVs=65538" "DFID=2" "EiTS=1" "MiTPV=196611" _sleep-proxy._udp PTR 70-35-60-63\032utnet-appletv._sleep-proxy._udp 70-35-60-63\032utnet-appletv._sleep-proxy._udp SRV 0 0 55597 utnet-appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu<http://utnet-appletv.bonjour.utexas.edu>. ; Replace with unicast FQDN of target host 70-35-60-63\032utnet-appletv._sleep-proxy._udp TXT "" required for every Apple TV (and no direction from Apple on what entries/fields are actually required) our DNS admins were ready with pitch forks and torches if we attempted saddle them with the the responsibility of trying to maintain records for 100's such devices (not to mention printers, etc.). -Neil -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu<mailto:neil-john...@uiowa.edu> From: Garry Peirce mailto:pei...@maine.edu>> Reply-To: "pei...@maine.edu<mailto:pei...@maine.edu>" mailto:pei...@maine.edu>> Date: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 10:15 AM
RE: Apple Petition
Not for the enterprise? “AirPlay Mirroring is made for an audience. Because with a click, what’s on your Mac is also on your HDTV. It’s easy to set up with Apple TV<http://www.apple.com/appletv/>. Show web pages and videos to friends on the couch, share lessons with a classroom, or present to a conference room. “ http://www.apple.com/osx/whats-new/ Also, there are plenty of devices that support wpa2 enterprise that don’t have robust management tools. Pete M. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:10 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition I think there is a point that is being missed here. It appears that Apple may have *purposely* designed these devices & protocols for the consumer environment, not for the enterprise. Since Apple TV supports WPA2-Personal, it would likely have not been much more effort to support WPA2-Enterprise. Perhaps enterprise was not their target market. If they supported WPA2-Enterprise they would also need robust management tools for Apple TV since WPA2-Enterprise is not used in the consumer market. Perhaps Apple is intentionally ignoring the enterprise market segment. If that is the case, the petition may not have much effect. Bruce Osborne Network Engineer IT Network Services (434) 592-4229 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY Training Champions for Christ since 1971 From: Andy Voelker [mailto:avoel...@email.wcu.edu] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 12:44 PM Subject: Re: Apple Petition That confuses me as well. It is obviously built in to many other iOS devices (iPod Touch, iPad) and has been for some time. Why the change? I suspect it just due to the GUI difference. If so, that’s easily fixable. -- Andy Voelker Manager of Student Computing in the Technology Commons WCU Staff Senator Western Carolina University Check the status of your IT requests at any time at http://help.wcu.edu/ ! From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]> On Behalf Of Voll, Toivo Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 1:28 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition Also, for me, the lack of support for WPA2-Enterprise is a head-scratcher. If they go through the trouble of supporting the rest of the encryption schemes, and obviously support it on a bunch of their other products, why randomly leave it out of some products? I’d prioritize that a bit more, personally. -- Toivo Voll Network Engineer Information Technology Communications University of South Florida
RE: Apple Petition
I think there is a point that is being missed here. It appears that Apple may have *purposely* designed these devices & protocols for the consumer environment, not for the enterprise. Since Apple TV supports WPA2-Personal, it would likely have not been much more effort to support WPA2-Enterprise. Perhaps enterprise was not their target market. If they supported WPA2-Enterprise they would also need robust management tools for Apple TV since WPA2-Enterprise is not used in the consumer market. Perhaps Apple is intentionally ignoring the enterprise market segment. If that is the case, the petition may not have much effect. Bruce Osborne Network Engineer IT Network Services (434) 592-4229 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY Training Champions for Christ since 1971 From: Andy Voelker [mailto:avoel...@email.wcu.edu] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 12:44 PM Subject: Re: Apple Petition That confuses me as well. It is obviously built in to many other iOS devices (iPod Touch, iPad) and has been for some time. Why the change? I suspect it just due to the GUI difference. If so, that’s easily fixable. -- Andy Voelker Manager of Student Computing in the Technology Commons WCU Staff Senator Western Carolina University Check the status of your IT requests at any time at http://help.wcu.edu/ ! From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]> On Behalf Of Voll, Toivo Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 1:28 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition Also, for me, the lack of support for WPA2-Enterprise is a head-scratcher. If they go through the trouble of supporting the rest of the encryption schemes, and obviously support it on a bunch of their other products, why randomly leave it out of some products? I’d prioritize that a bit more, personally. -- Toivo Voll Network Engineer Information Technology Communications University of South Florida
RE: Apple Petition
Please consider this- as we get to the point where we have an agreed on document, say by this Friday, and we find an online petition site to use where individuals can "sign" on in whatever form that takes before we close the signing window and present it to Apple- are each one of us able to do so on behalf of our institutions or organizations? If you need to seek permission, now is the time. If a CIO or Director is the only one allowed to make such public-facing declarations on behalf of your school/or org, it would be good to start working the notion. Ideally, no one would overstep their position by jumping on this worthy endeavor. Lee H. Badman Wireless Architect/Network Engineer Information Technology and Services Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315 443-3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Andy Voelker Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 12:44 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition That confuses me as well. It is obviously built in to many other iOS devices (iPod Touch, iPad) and has been for some time. Why the change? I suspect it just due to the GUI difference. If so, that’s easily fixable. -- Andy Voelker Manager of Student Computing in the Technology Commons WCU Staff Senator Western Carolina University Check the status of your IT requests at any time at http://help.wcu.edu/ ! From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Voll, Toivo Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 1:28 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition Also, for me, the lack of support for WPA2-Enterprise is a head-scratcher. If they go through the trouble of supporting the rest of the encryption schemes, and obviously support it on a bunch of their other products, why randomly leave it out of some products? I’d prioritize that a bit more, personally. -- Toivo Voll Network Engineer Information Technology Communications University of South Florida
RE: Apple Petition
That confuses me as well. It is obviously built in to many other iOS devices (iPod Touch, iPad) and has been for some time. Why the change? I suspect it just due to the GUI difference. If so, that’s easily fixable. -- Andy Voelker Manager of Student Computing in the Technology Commons WCU Staff Senator Western Carolina University Check the status of your IT requests at any time at http://help.wcu.edu/ ! From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Voll, Toivo Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 1:28 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition Also, for me, the lack of support for WPA2-Enterprise is a head-scratcher. If they go through the trouble of supporting the rest of the encryption schemes, and obviously support it on a bunch of their other products, why randomly leave it out of some products? I’d prioritize that a bit more, personally. -- Toivo Voll Network Engineer Information Technology Communications University of South Florida
RE: Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
This makes one wonder if Apple has much enterprise experience to pull from in their ranks. We're well aware of the other ways of supporting this, but it is usually at added cost to the institution. I'm grateful for other vendors who pick up Apple's slack and can make some money doing it, but it is my hope that Apple will start to seriously address the Enterprise at some point. Other solutions are after the fact and always catching up it seems. I would argue a more holistic and integrated offering to the Enterprise would serve Apple far better than the current perceived patchwork third party approach. Perhaps this is where they need to take some notes from MS and get third parties that better cater to the Enterprise intimately involved from the start. Brian From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of John Kaftan Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 11:43 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) I know we have moved on to just talking about the petition but here is a response from an Apple engineer regarding the original issue. John, Please don't post my name directly to the list, but any AppleCare case numbers and RADAR feature request numbers would be helpful. As I am sure many are aware, to allow an iPad to talk to an Apple TV for AirPlay it must communicate directly, we would use AirPlay, which uses Bonjour. If anyone was looking for more management control over Bonjour traffic and services they absolutely could look at offerings from Aruba, Aerohive, Xirrus and even Cisco. Looking at the currently available options (like this one<http://www.aerohive.com/pdfs/Aerohive-Solution_Brief-Bonjour_Gateway.pdf>), I would be happy to facilitate feature requests going forward! John Kaftan IT Infrastructure Manager Utica College 315.792.3102 [cid:image001.png@01CD5DC9.3D61C640]<http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Utica-College-Infrastructure/175989122467327>[cid:image002.png@01CD5DC9.3D61C640]<https://twitter.com/#!/UticaNet>[cid:image003.png@01CD5DC9.3D61C640]<http://www.youtube.com/user/UticaNET> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu]> On Behalf Of Johnson, Neil M Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 11:08 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition First, I'm not beholden to the text of the petition. If someone has suggestions for improving it, or re-writing it. I'm listening. Second, What would be the best way to collect "official" signatures to the petition ? Thrid, should we be engaging EDUCAUSE to see if they would publish an official press-release ? Thanks. -Neil -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu<mailto:neil-john...@uiowa.edu> From: , "Brian D." mailto:bkell...@sbu.edu>> Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Date: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:33 AM To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>" mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition Nice and thank you From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 10:31 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: Apple Petition Looking better. If we can get this to gel, and to the point where the majority of the schools sign on in a form that we can each present to our Apple reps (or however it gets to Apple), I have clearance to cover it for Network Computing Magazine for a bit of press. -Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer Information Technology and Services Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315 443-3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]>On Behalf Of Johnson, Neil M Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 10:16 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition How does this sound for an update (The latest is posted on the Facebook site): We the undersigned academic and research institutions hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Bonjour/Airplay technology in enterprise networks. With an
RE: Apple Petition
Nice and thank you From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 10:31 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: Apple Petition Looking better. If we can get this to gel, and to the point where the majority of the schools sign on in a form that we can each present to our Apple reps (or however it gets to Apple), I have clearance to cover it for Network Computing Magazine for a bit of press. -Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer Information Technology and Services Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315 443-3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]> On Behalf Of Johnson, Neil M Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 10:16 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition How does this sound for an update (The latest is posted on the Facebook site): We the undersigned academic and research institutions hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Bonjour/Airplay technology in enterprise networks. With an Apple client device penetration of 50% or more on the typical campus, this amounts to thousands of Apple client devices whose owners desire to use their Apple TV and other Bonjour/Airplay based devices in classrooms, conference rooms, and in other locations on standards-based, enterprise-secure networks. Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority): * That Apple establish a way for Apple TV's (and other Bonjour/Airplay enabled devices) be accessible across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 sub-nets. * That the Apple TV support Enterprise Wireless Encryption and Authentication (WPA2-Enterprise). * That authentication to the Apple TV be able to utilize enterprise Authentication, Authorization, and Accounting (AAA) services. Any enterprise Bonjour/Airplay solution needs to meet the following criteria: * It must scale to 100's-1000's of Bonjour/Airplay enabled devices. * It must work with wired and wireless networks from different vendors. * It must not significantly negatively impact network traffic (wired and wireless). * It must be easily manageable at scale. * If it requires a separate hardware solution, that the solution must be enterprise grade (rack mountable, dual power supplies, etc.) * It must be provided at a reasonable cost Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. At your earliest convenience please provide us with a road map for support of Bonjour/Airplay and related technologies in enterprise network environments. Thank you. -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu<mailto:neil-john...@uiowa.edu> From: Lee H Badman mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu>> Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Date: Monday, July 9, 2012 7:08 AM To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>" mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition I would also offer that the beginning narrative includes something to the effect of "with Apple client device penetration of 50% or more on the typical campus environment, amounting to thousands of Apple client devices per campus with the desire to use their AppleTV and other Bonjour/Airplay based devices on standards-based, enterprise-secure wireless networks..." sort of thing showing scale of issue and that we simply want the gadgets to play by standards and enterprise methods. -Lee From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Voll, Toivo Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 1:28 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition Also, for me, the lack of support for WPA2-Enterprise is a head-scratcher. If they go through the trouble of supporting the rest of the encryption schemes, and obviously support it on a bunch of their other products, why randomly leave it out of some products? I'd prioritize that a bit more, personally. -- Toivo Voll Network Engineer Information Technology Communications University of South Florida ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can
RE: Apple Petition
I would also offer that the beginning narrative includes something to the effect of “with Apple client device penetration of 50% or more on the typical campus environment, amounting to thousands of Apple client devices per campus with the desire to use their AppleTV and other Bonjour/Airplay based devices on standards-based, enterprise-secure wireless networks…” sort of thing showing scale of issue and that we simply want the gadgets to play by standards and enterprise methods. -Lee From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Voll, Toivo Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 1:28 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition Also, for me, the lack of support for WPA2-Enterprise is a head-scratcher. If they go through the trouble of supporting the rest of the encryption schemes, and obviously support it on a bunch of their other products, why randomly leave it out of some products? I’d prioritize that a bit more, personally. -- Toivo Voll Network Engineer Information Technology Communications University of South Florida
RE: Apple Petition
Also, for me, the lack of support for WPA2-Enterprise is a head-scratcher. If they go through the trouble of supporting the rest of the encryption schemes, and obviously support it on a bunch of their other products, why randomly leave it out of some products? I’d prioritize that a bit more, personally. -- Toivo Voll Network Engineer Information Technology Communications University of South Florida
Re: Apple Petition
Today it is AppleTV, tomorrow it will be a different device/use/software. The underlying issue, as others have noted, is the Bonjour resource discovery mechanism, what Apple likely needs is a directory service. Once that is solved, the problem will then shift to authentication/authorization/accounting and scalability. I'd suggest: That Apple create non-Bonjour/non-multicast discovery mechanisms that scale in large enterprise environments. That Apple integrate their offerings with enterprise AAA services. -William ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
I agree although I expect nothing will come of it. Their stock price is far too high for them to be bothered with concern. I wish I could be more of an optimist sometimes. Brian From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Bruce Boardman Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 9:25 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) I think it's a good idea to reach out to Apple, even if ignored, for two reasons, so they know it's comming, and so they know it's important and not just a group of loud mouth limes. |Bruce Boardman, Network Engineer, Syracuse University - 315 889-1667 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Mike King [m...@mpking.com] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 7:47 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) One more thing. I think use of an online petition tool might help things out organizationally. http://www.change.org/petition there are others, that was the first Google result. Mike On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Lee H Badman mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu>> wrote: So... two thoughts. Perhaps give it another week for people to chime in with their gripes and let the list discuss them? Then perhaps digital signatures- DocuSign is free and elegant. I guess also, a courtesy inquiry to Phillipe over whether he sees this as prudent list of the group is probably in order. Say, Phillipe- do you see this as prudent use of the list? Thanks, Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] on behalf of Curtis K. Larsen [curtis.k.lar...@utah.edu<mailto:curtis.k.lar...@utah.edu>] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:01 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) You should add fast-roaming to the list. No Mac or iOS device supports fast roaming with Opportunistic Key Caching. They can do PMK "Sticky", but it is not the same as OKC. With Sticky, it is only "fast" when you roam back to an AP you've been on, and the client can only cache up to 8 AP's. Curtis Larsen Wireless Network Engineer University of Utah 801-587-1313 On 07/05/2012 02:46 PM, Lee H Badman wrote: > Pretty much what I was thinking (ballpark) with all Educause schools > individually signed on. May not amount to anything, but would in itself be > media fodder. > > Lee H. Badman > Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS > Adjunct Instructor, iSchool > Syracuse University > 315.443.3003 > > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv > [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] > on behalf of Johnson, Neil M > [neil-john...@uiowa.edu<mailto:neil-john...@uiowa.edu>] > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:37 PM > To: > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> > Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it > was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) > > > I'm a little fuzzy on the specifics things to request from Apple, but here is > a first pass): > > > Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving > numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to > utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other > locations, hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Airplay > technology in enterprise wireless networks. > > > Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority): > >* That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled > devices) to be discoverable across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets or lacking > that: >* That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled > devices) to be easily statically configured to be accessible across multiple > IPv4 and IPv6 subnets >* That the Apple TV support Enterprise Wireless Encryption and > Authentication (WPA2-Enterprise) >* That authentication to the Apple TV
