Re: [WiX-users] Heat -generate

2011-11-06 Thread Bob Arnson
On 03-Nov-11 10:35, David L. Beckwith wrote:
 error LGHT0103: The system cannot find the file ...

 I suspect this file name is too long (72 characters). However, when this

That's not a problem as long as the full path fits in MAXPATH characters.

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Re: [WiX-users] Heat -generate

2011-11-03 Thread David L. Beckwith
I made a lot of payloads but now seem to have another problem. I try to
assign the following SourceFile to a Payload element:

x86_Microsoft.VC80.CRT_1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b_8.0.50727.762_x-ww_6b128700.cat

However, when I attempt to build it I get the following:

error LGHT0103: The system cannot find the file ...

I suspect this file name is too long (72 characters). However, when this
file was harvested through msiPackage it was able to handle it. In fact, I
was able to make a container from the msiPackage which contained this file.

Is there a workaround?


Bob Arnson-6 wrote:
 
 On 02-Nov-11 19:28, David L. Beckwith wrote:
 I know the external files are automatically harvested in the msiPackage
 element. Is there a way to get this from heat?
 
 No, they're entirely separate processes.
 
 Or is there an option with dark?
 
 Not that I know of.
 


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Re: [WiX-users] Heat -generate

2011-11-02 Thread David L. Beckwith

David L. Beckwith wrote:
 
 Yes, unfortunately that is what the custom action in the msi is doing.
 
 I could have sworn I tried the payloads under the BootstapperApplication
 element, but I'll check again.
 
 
 Rob Mensching-7 wrote:
 
 I'm a little confused. Are you saying the custom action is using the
 current working folder to find files? If so, that won't work out most of
 the time or rather it will work in very limited situations.
 If you want Payloads cached with the bootstrapper, you can add additional
 Payload elements under the BootstrapperApplication element. If you don't
 want them compressed mark them Compressed=no.
 
 
I remember why this did not work. The dlls need to be in the location of the
bootstrapper, not the cache location. Argh!

I've given up this approach. The real solution here is a change in the MSI
which I have no control. Another possibility is to use the bootstrapper that
comes with this install which I suspect changes the working directory. I
tried this a while ago but couldn't figure out how to create folders and
designate which payload goes to what folder for burn. I also wasn't sure if
an msi payload would be harvested like it is in an msiPackage.

The other four chained packages work great!

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Re: [WiX-users] Heat -generate

2011-11-02 Thread David L. Beckwith
OK, I'm back where I started. Basically, heat does not create a PayloadGroup
with -generate. If that option was available this thread would probably
not be here. The help says:

Specify what elements to generate, one of: components, container,
payloadgroup, layout (default is components).

However, it only produces components. The default is the only option which
means there is no option.

So here is my next harvest question...

I know the external files are automatically harvested in the msiPackage
element. Is there a way to get this from heat? Or is there an option with
dark? I'm at that point where I manually created payloads that the legacy
setup needs. It  includes an msi that needs 135 other external files. It is
error prone attempting to do this by hand at the least and a chore
regardless.


David L. Beckwith wrote:
 
 
 David L. Beckwith wrote:
 
 Yes, unfortunately that is what the custom action in the msi is doing.
 
 I could have sworn I tried the payloads under the BootstapperApplication
 element, but I'll check again.
 
 
 Rob Mensching-7 wrote:
 
 I'm a little confused. Are you saying the custom action is using the
 current working folder to find files? If so, that won't work out most of
 the time or rather it will work in very limited situations.
 If you want Payloads cached with the bootstrapper, you can add
 additional
 Payload elements under the BootstrapperApplication element. If you don't
 want them compressed mark them Compressed=no.
 
 
 I remember why this did not work. The dlls need to be in the location of
 the bootstrapper, not the cache location. Argh!
 
 I've given up this approach. The real solution here is a change in the MSI
 which I have no control. Another possibility is to use the bootstrapper
 that comes with this install which I suspect changes the working
 directory. I tried this a while ago but couldn't figure out how to create
 folders and designate which payload goes to what folder for burn. I also
 wasn't sure if an msi payload would be harvested like it is in an
 msiPackage.
 
 The other four chained packages work great!
 


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Re: [WiX-users] Heat -generate

2011-11-02 Thread Bob Arnson
On 02-Nov-11 19:28, David L. Beckwith wrote:
 I know the external files are automatically harvested in the msiPackage
 element. Is there a way to get this from heat?

No, they're entirely separate processes.

 Or is there an option with dark?

Not that I know of.

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Re: [WiX-users] Heat -generate

2011-11-01 Thread Rob Mensching
Add Payload elements under the MsiPackage element to manually add files
that are not described in the MSI file itself.

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:09 AM, David L. Beckwith beckw...@interaccess.com
 wrote:


 Bob Arnson-6 wrote:
 
  On 26-Oct-11 22:57, David L. Beckwith wrote:
  What is even weirder, is /layout pulls them out in the correct folder.
  They also show up in the ProgramData\Package Cache\GUID folder just
 fine.
 
  If Burn's putting them in the same relative place as they were
  originally, there must be something peculiar with the MSI.
 
 Yes, the MSI is peculiar. I think it assumes it is run from the same
 folder.
 Since the Burn bootstapper is cached in a different folder than the MSI,
 the
 custom action is looking for the dlls in the the bootstrapper folder, not
 the MSI folder (is my theory). This isn't my MSI but the Microsoft Point of
 Service for .NET setup which hasn't had action since 2008. Thus, I have to
 find a solution around its peculiarities.

 Is there any way to have the two dlls (payloads) placed in the bootstrapper
 application cache? Or is there a way to tell the bootstrapper to start in
 the MSI folder?  I could have a bootstapper call a bootstapper but that
 messes up the ARP.

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Re: [WiX-users] Heat -generate

2011-11-01 Thread David L. Beckwith
I've created two payloads in the MsiPackage element and it places them in the
same folder (cache) as the msi. This works as expected.

However, the resulting bootstrapper exe is not placed in the same cache and
thus runs from a different folder. The custom action in the MSI looks for
the two files in the local or working folder and instead they are in the msi
folder. There doesn't seem to be a method to place the payloads in the same
cache (folder) as the bootstrapper.

Obviously the best solution would be to change the contents of the msi, but
this is a redist from Microsoft which I don't have the right to do and
Microsoft has not been actively working on this since 2008.

I see four options:

1. Have the bootstapper change the working directory to the msi folder
(cache),
2. Place the  payloads in the bootstrapper folder (cache),
3. Place the bootstrapper in the same folder as the msi.
4. Create a bootstrapper with an ExePackage including the two payloads to
another bootstapper with the MsiPackage.

I think the fourth option would work but would end up with confusing
multiple UACs and multiple ARP entries. The other three would be desirable
options but I don't know how to do it if it were possible.

Rob Mensching-7 wrote:
 
 Add Payload elements under the MsiPackage element to manually add files
 that are not described in the MSI file itself.
 


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Re: [WiX-users] Heat -generate

2011-11-01 Thread Rob Mensching
I'm a little confused. Are you saying the custom action is using the
current working folder to find files? If so, that won't work out most of
the time or rather it will work in very limited situations.
If you want Payloads cached with the bootstrapper, you can add additional
Payload elements under the BootstrapperApplication element. If you don't
want them compressed mark them Compressed=no.
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 7:19 AM, David L. Beckwith
beckw...@interaccess.comwrote:

 I've created two payloads in the MsiPackage element and it places them in
 the
 same folder (cache) as the msi. This works as expected.

 However, the resulting bootstrapper exe is not placed in the same cache and
 thus runs from a different folder. The custom action in the MSI looks for
 the two files in the local or working folder and instead they are in the
 msi
 folder. There doesn't seem to be a method to place the payloads in the same
 cache (folder) as the bootstrapper.

 Obviously the best solution would be to change the contents of the msi, but
 this is a redist from Microsoft which I don't have the right to do and
 Microsoft has not been actively working on this since 2008.

 I see four options:

 1. Have the bootstapper change the working directory to the msi folder
 (cache),
 2. Place the  payloads in the bootstrapper folder (cache),
 3. Place the bootstrapper in the same folder as the msi.
 4. Create a bootstrapper with an ExePackage including the two payloads to
 another bootstapper with the MsiPackage.

 I think the fourth option would work but would end up with confusing
 multiple UACs and multiple ARP entries. The other three would be desirable
 options but I don't know how to do it if it were possible.

 Rob Mensching-7 wrote:
 
  Add Payload elements under the MsiPackage element to manually add files
  that are not described in the MSI file itself.
 


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Re: [WiX-users] Heat -generate

2011-11-01 Thread David L. Beckwith
Yes, unfortunately that is what the custom action in the msi is doing.

I could have sworn I tried the payloads under the BootstapperApplication
element, but I'll check again.


Rob Mensching-7 wrote:
 
 I'm a little confused. Are you saying the custom action is using the
 current working folder to find files? If so, that won't work out most of
 the time or rather it will work in very limited situations.
 If you want Payloads cached with the bootstrapper, you can add additional
 Payload elements under the BootstrapperApplication element. If you don't
 want them compressed mark them Compressed=no.
 


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Re: [WiX-users] Heat -generate

2011-10-31 Thread David L. Beckwith

Bob Arnson-6 wrote:
 
 On 26-Oct-11 22:57, David L. Beckwith wrote:
 What is even weirder, is /layout pulls them out in the correct folder. 
 They also show up in the ProgramData\Package Cache\GUID folder just fine. 
 
 If Burn's putting them in the same relative place as they were 
 originally, there must be something peculiar with the MSI.
 
Yes, the MSI is peculiar. I think it assumes it is run from the same folder.
Since the Burn bootstapper is cached in a different folder than the MSI, the
custom action is looking for the dlls in the the bootstrapper folder, not
the MSI folder (is my theory). This isn't my MSI but the Microsoft Point of
Service for .NET setup which hasn't had action since 2008. Thus, I have to
find a solution around its peculiarities.

Is there any way to have the two dlls (payloads) placed in the bootstrapper
application cache? Or is there a way to tell the bootstrapper to start in
the MSI folder?  I could have a bootstapper call a bootstapper but that
messes up the ARP.

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Re: [WiX-users] Heat -generate

2011-10-30 Thread Bob Arnson
On 26-Oct-11 22:57, David L. Beckwith wrote:
 What is even weirder, is /layout pulls them out in the correct folder. 
 They also show up in the ProgramData\Package Cache\GUID folder just fine. 

If Burn's putting them in the same relative place as they were 
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Re: [WiX-users] Heat -generate

2011-10-26 Thread David L. Beckwith
OK, I'm now able to create a detached container. How awesome!

Any suggested file extension to use? Is it a cab file?

But I don't have the install working yet. It seems not all loose files
were harvested. Those in sub-directories were caught but those in the same
directory as the msi were not. Is there an option for this? I tried to
create a PayLoadGroup with each Payload and then add this PayloadGroupRef
into the PackageGroup with no luck. The Layout option prompts for the
missing files so it thinks they should be included.


Bob Arnson-6 wrote:
 
 On 25-Oct-11 13:51, David L. Beckwith wrote:
 Basically, I have a legacy install program that I would like chained. 
 Specifically, it is Microsoft's Point of Service for dotNet. There is 
 no ClickOnce install, instead it is delivered as a self extracting 
 zip. It has a setup bootstapper with a scad full of files in different 
 directories including an MSI. I'm under the impression I can create a 
 container or payloadgroup that contains all these files. 
 
 You want a package group (which contains the MSI and payload files). If 
 you want, you can include the package group in a container (a single 
 file that contains all the packages/payloads). But containers are just a 
 delivery mechanism; they're not involved in how a package is installed.
 
 That is where heat came in. 
 
 I don't think Heat has been updated to harvest files for a bundle. But 
 it's not clear to me that you need it. The WiX binder will automatically 
 harvest the loose files that an .msi refers to. So try a PackageGroup 
 with an MsiPackage child that points to the POS .msi. Use 
 PackageGroupRef in your Chain to include the package in the chain. If 
 you want a container, use PackageGroupRef to include the POS package 
 group into the container.
 


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Re: [WiX-users] Heat -generate

2011-10-26 Thread David L. Beckwith

David L. Beckwith wrote:
 
 OK, I'm now able to create a detached container. How awesome!
 
 Any suggested file extension to use? Is it a cab file?
 
 But I don't have the install working yet. It seems not all loose files
 were harvested. Those in sub-directories were caught but those in the same
 directory as the msi were not. Is there an option for this? I tried to
 create a PayLoadGroup with each Payload and then add this PayloadGroupRef
 into the PackageGroup with no luck. The Layout option prompts for the
 missing files so it thinks they should be included.
 

Maybe my enthusiasm about making a detached container was premature.

Once a detached container is created, how do you reference it? I added a
ContainerRef in the in the bundle, but how do I get the payload into the
chain from the container? Do I create the container with one project and
suck it in as a Payload source file in another?


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Re: [WiX-users] Heat -generate

2011-10-26 Thread Bob Arnson
On 26-Oct-11 16:15, David L. Beckwith wrote:
 Once a detached container is created, how do you reference it? I added 
 a ContainerRef in the in the bundle, but how do I get the payload into 
 the chain from the container? Do I create the container with one 
 project and suck it in as a Payload source file in another?

Containers aren't part of a chain; they're just a delivery mechanism. 
Packages are part of a chain, so use PackageGroupRef in your Chain.

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Re: [WiX-users] Heat -generate

2011-10-26 Thread Bob Arnson
On 26-Oct-11 12:48, David L. Beckwith wrote:
 Any suggested file extension to use? Is it a cab file?

It is, though that's an implementation detail.

 But I don't have the install working yet. It seems not all loose files
 were harvested.

Only those referenced in the .msi would be automatically included. Are 
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Re: [WiX-users] Heat -generate

2011-10-26 Thread David L. Beckwith


Bob Arnson-6 wrote:
 
 On 26-Oct-11 12:48, David L. Beckwith wrote:
 
 But I don't have the install working yet. It seems not all loose files
 were harvested.
 
 Only those referenced in the .msi would be automatically included. Are 
 they actually used?
 

Yes, two critical files are used by a custom action in the msi but I never
see an entry when I look at the msi through orca. So I understand how this
could be missed. It gives the following error in the logs:

*** C:\Microsoft POS for dotNET\bin\Release\PidGenX.dll
*** Could not load PidGenX.dll

If I copy them to the target folder it works fine:

PidGenX.dll
PidGenX.xrm-ms

I entered two payloads within the PackageGroup for the MsiPackage.

Payload Compressed=yes SourceFile=C:\Microsoft POS for
dotNET\Source\PidGenX.dll /
Payload Compressed=yes SourceFile=C:\Microsoft POS for
dotNET\Source\PidGenX.xrm-ms /

What is even weirder, is /layout pulls them out in the correct folder. They
also show up in the ProgramData\Package Cache\GUID folder just fine.

There must be something with the cache. I've tried both yes and no cache on
the MsiPackage. But no difference.

Again, if I copy these two files to the bootstrap app, it works fine.

I have to be missing something obvious.

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Re: [WiX-users] Heat -generate

2011-10-25 Thread David L. Beckwith

Bob Arnson-6 wrote:
 
 On 24-Oct-11 10:10, David L. Beckwith wrote:
 I was hoping output from heat payloadgroups and containers would help me
 understand how to create such an animal. Where do you suggest I look for
 clues on how to take a legacy install and containerize it?
 Maybe you could explain what containerize means...g
 

Hopefully I'll use the correct terminology

I'll try to describe what I would like to do and what steps I did to get
there. Some of the documentation in Rob's blogs, etc. imply I can do what I
want and some of what I've done leads me to believe it is possible. I just
don't know how.

Basically, I have a legacy install program that I would like chained.
Specifically, it is Microsoft's Point of Service for dotNet. There is no
ClickOnce install, instead it is delivered as a self extracting zip. It
has a setup bootstapper with a scad full of files in different directories
including an MSI.

I'm under the impression I can create a container or payloadgroup that
contains all these files. Once in a container, I can then include it in the
chain and execute the setup. That is where heat came in. I wanted it to
traverse the tree and give me a container with all the files. But only
-generate component works (not container nor payloadgroup). If it did, I
could probably figure it out from there.

I want this payload to be external from the burn generated bootstrapper
(i.e. not compressed) because it will only be installed once, but not for
updates.

I've been able to use burn and take the MSI and external files it needs to a
payloadgroup and create a standalone bootstrapper. I can then add this into
the chain (I have five other packages chained that work great). However,
this introduces other issues (multiple UACs), another line item in the
installed product list among other issues. I can also add it as a chain
internal to the bootstrapper, but this doubles the size of my install for
something that may not be needed. Thus, it is close to what I need.

Suggestions?


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Re: [WiX-users] Heat -generate

2011-10-25 Thread Bob Arnson
On 25-Oct-11 13:51, David L. Beckwith wrote:
 Basically, I have a legacy install program that I would like chained. 
 Specifically, it is Microsoft's Point of Service for dotNet. There is 
 no ClickOnce install, instead it is delivered as a self extracting 
 zip. It has a setup bootstapper with a scad full of files in different 
 directories including an MSI. I'm under the impression I can create a 
 container or payloadgroup that contains all these files. 

You want a package group (which contains the MSI and payload files). If 
you want, you can include the package group in a container (a single 
file that contains all the packages/payloads). But containers are just a 
delivery mechanism; they're not involved in how a package is installed.

 That is where heat came in. 

I don't think Heat has been updated to harvest files for a bundle. But 
it's not clear to me that you need it. The WiX binder will automatically 
harvest the loose files that an .msi refers to. So try a PackageGroup 
with an MsiPackage child that points to the POS .msi. Use 
PackageGroupRef in your Chain to include the package in the chain. If 
you want a container, use PackageGroupRef to include the POS package 
group into the container.

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Re: [WiX-users] Heat -generate

2011-10-24 Thread David L. Beckwith
I was hoping output from heat payloadgroups and containers would help me
understand how to create such an animal. Where do you suggest I look for
clues on how to take a legacy install and containerize it?


Rob Mensching-7 wrote:
 
 Heat has lots of gaps. It's an area for us to invest in WiX v4.
 


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Re: [WiX-users] Heat -generate

2011-10-24 Thread Bob Arnson
On 24-Oct-11 10:10, David L. Beckwith wrote:
 I was hoping output from heat payloadgroups and containers would help me
 understand how to create such an animal. Where do you suggest I look for
 clues on how to take a legacy install and containerize it?
Maybe you could explain what containerize means...g

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Re: [WiX-users] Heat -generate

2011-10-23 Thread Rob Mensching
Heat has lots of gaps. It's an area for us to invest in WiX v4.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:08 AM, David L. Beckwith 
beckw...@interaccess.com wrote:

 I'm using Burn and I got to say I love it!!!

 However, it makes me want more...

 I'm trying to get a legacy installation package chained and am
 struggling. I would like to containerize the legacy install so my
 bootstrapper is small and incremental. I've tried heat in the hopes of
 it saving time and doing it right in the first place. However, it seems
 the -generate switch is ignored. I've tried -generate payloadgroup
 and container but seem to only get components.

 What am I doing wrong?

 David L. Beckwith


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[WiX-users] Heat -generate

2011-10-19 Thread David L. Beckwith
I'm using Burn and I got to say I love it!!!

However, it makes me want more...

I'm trying to get a legacy installation package chained and am 
struggling. I would like to containerize the legacy install so my 
bootstrapper is small and incremental. I've tried heat in the hopes of 
it saving time and doing it right in the first place. However, it seems 
the -generate switch is ignored. I've tried -generate payloadgroup 
and container but seem to only get components.

What am I doing wrong?

David L. Beckwith

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