[xmail] Re: Compiling XMail 1.21 on OpenBSD 3.7 fails
OK .. I 'll run some test after I'm back from vacations :) Thanks so far, Harald Davide Libenzi wrote: > On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, Harald Schneider wrote: > > >>Do you think replacing -lpthread with one of these: >> >> -Kthread -kthread -pthread -pthreads -mthreads --thread-safe -mt >> >>might be worth testing ? > > > Dunno, but according to the link, the -pthread option trigger some special > flag in the linking process. > > > - Davide > > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in > the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: Compiling XMail 1.21 on OpenBSD 3.7 fails
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, Harald Schneider wrote: > > Do you think replacing -lpthread with one of these: > > -Kthread -kthread -pthread -pthreads -mthreads --thread-safe -mt > > might be worth testing ? Dunno, but according to the link, the -pthread option trigger some special flag in the linking process. - Davide - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: Compiling XMail 1.21 on OpenBSD 3.7 fails
Do you think replacing -lpthread with one of these: -Kthread -kthread -pthread -pthreads -mthreads --thread-safe -mt might be worth testing ? --Harald > I have no clue. The only thing that I can say is that Linux/*BSD/Solaris > use exactly the same code (with differences only in the system resource > usage retrieval). Take a look at this, talking about pthread: > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libtool-patches/2003-09/msg00028.html - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: Compiling XMail 1.21 on OpenBSD 3.7 fails
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, Harald Schneider wrote: > >>Looks like all instances of -lc_r have to be replaced by -lpthread for > >>proper compilation on OpenBSD. > > meanwhile I ran into some instability issue: > > - A sudden coredump after setting up some filters and doing some > KILL/restarts in between. This might be neglectable. I rebooted the > machine after this for further tests. > > - A bunch of undeliverable messages hanging in the queue after a heavy > load job. None of the mails has any hints in the SLOG file. POP3link > ceased to function too. This remains the current state, even after > disabling all filters and rebooting the machine. None of the filters did > modify any messages. > > Maybe some structures in the queue are corrupted. This needs some > further investigations. Unfortunately this denies the use of any > watchdog script which could reanimate XMail after a crash. > > Looks like there is a problem with filters and/or threads. > > A forum user ran into exactly the same situation, also on OpenBSD 3.7. > > Any idea? I have no clue. The only thing that I can say is that Linux/*BSD/Solaris use exactly the same code (with differences only in the system resource usage retrieval). Take a look at this, talking about pthread: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libtool-patches/2003-09/msg00028.html - Davide - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: Compiling XMail 1.21 on OpenBSD 3.7 fails
Hi Davide, >>Looks like all instances of -lc_r have to be replaced by -lpthread for >>proper compilation on OpenBSD. meanwhile I ran into some instability issue: - A sudden coredump after setting up some filters and doing some KILL/restarts in between. This might be neglectable. I rebooted the machine after this for further tests. - A bunch of undeliverable messages hanging in the queue after a heavy load job. None of the mails has any hints in the SLOG file. POP3link ceased to function too. This remains the current state, even after disabling all filters and rebooting the machine. None of the filters did modify any messages. Maybe some structures in the queue are corrupted. This needs some further investigations. Unfortunately this denies the use of any watchdog script which could reanimate XMail after a crash. Looks like there is a problem with filters and/or threads. A forum user ran into exactly the same situation, also on OpenBSD 3.7. Any idea? Thanks, Harald - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get del ivered
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, Jeff Buehler wrote: > It sounds like first the dump of XMail communications running under Win > 2000, to see exactly where the time out or break occurs, and possibly > also a dump of the FreeBSD firewall might help to see if that is part of > the problem. Coordinating them might be a good idea so you can see the > same XMail communication from both Win 2000 and the FreeBSD firewall > occurring at the same time. > > FreeBSD command is tcpdump -i (netinterface) -c count -w > path/to/filename (I was just messing around with it now) > > For Windows it looks like this tool might be helpful: > http://www.winpcap.org/windump/ > > Sönke, Davide, do you agree with that? If some work is done to clean it up, that would be great. I wouldn't want to look at the 10MB dump. - Davide - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] XMail 2.0 with IMAP support
I really do not want to nag, but I am curious how the development of XMail 2.0 with IMAP support is coming. Any news? - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get del ivered
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, Edinilson J. Santos wrote: > > XMail become "strange" after hotmail.com put the following big header: > > 220 mc10-f3.hotmail.com Sending unsolicited commercial or bulk e-mail to > Microsoft's computer network is prohibited. Other restrictions are found at > http://priv > acy.msn.com/Anti-spam/. Violations will result in use of equipment located > in California and other states. Fri, 2 Sep 2005 10:26:51 -0700 > > After that, those errors started. XMail uses a 2KB buffer to read responses, so that's hardly a problem (even because other XMail setups around the world gets the same response). More likely is something in the middle that is "confused" by the response. I have already seen this when SMTP AV appliances or broken CISCO FWs are in the loop. - Davide - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, John Kielkopf wrote: > > Davide Libenzi wrote: > >> greenbaycc.org. 86400 IN NS taadns02.taiasp.net. >> greenbaycc.org. 86400 IN NS taadns01.taiasp.net. >> ;; Received 88 bytes from 204.74.112.1#53(TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET) in 58 ms >> >> greenbaycc.org. 3600IN NS taadns01. >> ;; Received 54 bytes from 67.39.138.9#53(taadns02.taiasp.net) in 66 ms >> >> >> What's "taadns01." ?? >> >> > > However, it doesn't seem to stop nslookup or other tools from retrieving > the MX record. How does XMail differ? I put a version of XMail that tries to cope with broken DNS setups here: http://www.xmailserver.org/xmail-1.22-pre01.tar.gz The above case (the "taadns01." is obviosly a broken A record), is now solved by doing a fallback on the non-authoritatives NS. - Davide - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get del ivered
It sounds like first the dump of XMail communications running under Win 2000, to see exactly where the time out or break occurs, and possibly also a dump of the FreeBSD firewall might help to see if that is part of the problem. Coordinating them might be a good idea so you can see the same XMail communication from both Win 2000 and the FreeBSD firewall occurring at the same time. FreeBSD command is tcpdump -i (netinterface) -c count -w path/to/filename (I was just messing around with it now) For Windows it looks like this tool might be helpful: http://www.winpcap.org/windump/ Sönke, Davide, do you agree with that? Jeff Edinilson J. Santos wrote: >Our firewall gateway is a freebsd. >Which level of tcpdump do you want? > >I can send you everything that you want, just tell me what. > >Edinilson >- >ATINET-Professional Web Hosting >Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 >http://www.atinet.com.br > > >- Original Message - >From: "Davide Libenzi" >To: >Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 1:50 PM >Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get del >ivered > > >On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, Sönke Ruempler wrote: > > > >>On 02.09.2005 17:07, Davide Libenzi wrote: >> >> >> >>>In the hotmail case, that sure has DNS configured like it should, the MX >>>resolution is not a problem (like you can see from the logs posted). The >>>"End of stream data" error, is something you linked to problem in the >>>link >>>between XMail and the remote SMTP server. And the fact that happens on an >>>handfull of setups out of many tenths of thousands, shows that is somehow >>>related with network setups. >>> >>> >>Some tcpdump logs could help ... >> >> > >I asked them. Have you seen them? > > >- Davide > >- >To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in >the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >- >To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in >the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get del ivered
XMail become "strange" after hotmail.com put the following big header: 220 mc10-f3.hotmail.com Sending unsolicited commercial or bulk e-mail to Microsoft's computer network is prohibited. Other restrictions are found at http://priv acy.msn.com/Anti-spam/. Violations will result in use of equipment located in California and other states. Fri, 2 Sep 2005 10:26:51 -0700 After that, those errors started. Edinilson - ATINET-Professional Web Hosting Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 http://www.atinet.com.br - Original Message - From: "Sönke Ruempler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 2:18 PM Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get del ivered On 02.09.2005 19:13, Jeff Buehler wrote: > What would you look for in a tcpdump like this? I am technical (years > of c/c++/PHP/Perl programming) but I am clueless about tcpdumps... > pardon my ignorance! You can see where the tcp traffic breaks. Maybe special characters involve that (think of null-bytes and norton antispam problems). - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get del ivered
Our firewall gateway is a freebsd. Which level of tcpdump do you want? I can send you everything that you want, just tell me what. Edinilson - ATINET-Professional Web Hosting Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 http://www.atinet.com.br - Original Message - From: "Davide Libenzi" To: Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 1:50 PM Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get del ivered On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, Sönke Ruempler wrote: > On 02.09.2005 17:07, Davide Libenzi wrote: > >> In the hotmail case, that sure has DNS configured like it should, the MX >> resolution is not a problem (like you can see from the logs posted). The >> "End of stream data" error, is something you linked to problem in the >> link >> between XMail and the remote SMTP server. And the fact that happens on an >> handfull of setups out of many tenths of thousands, shows that is somehow >> related with network setups. > > Some tcpdump logs could help ... I asked them. Have you seen them? - Davide - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get del ivered
Davide, just to refresh your memory: Received: from x35.xmailserver.org ([69.30.125.51]:54412) by mailserver with [XMail 1.21 ESMTP Server] id for from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:36:26 -0300 Received: from x35.xmailserver.org ([127.0.0.1]:54410) by localhost.localdomain with [XMail 1.21 ESMTP Server] id for from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 07:36:46 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list xmail); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 07:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.macrowebmedia.it ([213.145.29.234]:4482) by xmailserver.org with [XMail 1.21 ESMTP Server] id for from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 07:36:44 -0700 X-AuthUser: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from darioportatile ([213.140.6.112]:44075) by macrowebmedia.it with [XMail 1.21 ESMTP Server] id for from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 16:36:16 +0200 From: "Dario" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Subject: [xmail] R: Re: Problems with hotmail.com Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 16:36:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thread-Index: AcU71MjsGuxhDR+6TQ6euR7fgpp/9wAYuBlw X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-original-sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-to: xmail@xmailserver.org X-list: xmail Seems like this thread takes those blu pills ;) ErrCode = -232 ... SMTP-Error = "417 Temporary delivery error" SMTP-SERVER = "mx1.hotmail.com" <-- whatever you get here, if this is the right mx for the domain, DNS is not the problem. >From what I've seen with Edinilson the two server establish a tcp/ip session: -> xmail contacts mx1.hotmail.com -> mx1.hotmail.com sends 220 greeting -> the connection time outs We didn't have time to continue investigating but the question is: why the connection time outs? - not because of ip blacklists, he can send from the same cidr - not because of xmail, it works for other domains - seems like also windows is out of the case now Note that the connection from xmail side *time outs*, is not dropped by hotmail.com which is waiting for a HELO/EHLO. It's just my opinion but who has this problem should: - bypass any firewall, ... - compile xmail on the same server you will use. If the problem persists, and if you have time and equipment: - get a very normal pc with normal hardware, setup xmail exactly the same way and use the same ip of the main server. If this works you have some hardware related problem. I know someone will say hw error, no way? How could this happen just for some domains and just on some servers? The answer would be very long but summarizing, curiosity. Dario - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ATINET-Professional Web Hosting Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 http://www.atinet.com.br - Original Message - From: "Davide Libenzi" To: Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 1:50 PM Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get del ivered On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, Sönke Ruempler wrote: > On 02.09.2005 17:07, Davide Libenzi wrote: > >> In the hotmail case, that sure has DNS configured like it should, the MX >> resolution is not a problem (like you can see from the logs posted). The >> "End of stream data" error, is something you linked to problem in the >> link >> between XMail and the remote SMTP server. And the fact that happens on an >> handfull of setups out of many tenths of thousands, shows that is somehow >> related with network setups. > > Some tcpdump logs could help ... I asked them. Have you seen them? - Davide - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get del ivered
On 02.09.2005 19:13, Jeff Buehler wrote: > What would you look for in a tcpdump like this? I am technical (years > of c/c++/PHP/Perl programming) but I am clueless about tcpdumps... > pardon my ignorance! You can see where the tcp traffic breaks. Maybe special characters involve that (think of null-bytes and norton antispam problems). - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get del ivered
What would you look for in a tcpdump like this? I am technical (years of c/c++/PHP/Perl programming) but I am clueless about tcpdumps... pardon my ignorance! Jeff Sönke Ruempler wrote: >On 02.09.2005 17:07, Davide Libenzi wrote: > > > >>In the hotmail case, that sure has DNS configured like it should, the MX >>resolution is not a problem (like you can see from the logs posted). The >>"End of stream data" error, is something you linked to problem in the link >>between XMail and the remote SMTP server. And the fact that happens on an >>handfull of setups out of many tenths of thousands, shows that is somehow >>related with network setups. >> >> > >Some tcpdump logs could help ... >- >To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in >the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get del ivered
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, Sönke Ruempler wrote: > On 02.09.2005 17:07, Davide Libenzi wrote: > >> In the hotmail case, that sure has DNS configured like it should, the MX >> resolution is not a problem (like you can see from the logs posted). The >> "End of stream data" error, is something you linked to problem in the link >> between XMail and the remote SMTP server. And the fact that happens on an >> handfull of setups out of many tenths of thousands, shows that is somehow >> related with network setups. > > Some tcpdump logs could help ... I asked them. Have you seen them? - Davide - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get del ivered
On 02.09.2005 17:07, Davide Libenzi wrote: > In the hotmail case, that sure has DNS configured like it should, the MX > resolution is not a problem (like you can see from the logs posted). The > "End of stream data" error, is something you linked to problem in the link > between XMail and the remote SMTP server. And the fact that happens on an > handfull of setups out of many tenths of thousands, shows that is somehow > related with network setups. Some tcpdump logs could help ... - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
On Friday 02 September 2005 11:32, Rob Arends wrote: > Davide Wrote: > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] davide]$ dig greenbaycc.org. ns +trace > > > >greenbaycc.org. 86400 IN NS taadns02.taiasp.net. > >greenbaycc.org. 86400 IN NS taadns01.taiasp.net. > >;; Received 88 bytes from 204.74.112.1#53(TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET) in 58 ms > > > >greenbaycc.org. 3600IN NS taadns01. > >;; Received 54 bytes from 67.39.138.9#53(taadns02.taiasp.net) in 66 ms > > > > > >What's "taadns01." ?? > > > > > > > >- Davide > > So why then do I get: > > C:\>dig @61.88.88.88 greenbaycc.org. mx +trace > > ; <<>> DiG 9.2.3 <<>> @61.88.88.88 greenbaycc.org. mx +trace > ;; global options: printcmd > .. 493369 IN NS L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > .. 493369 IN NS M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > .. 493369 IN NS A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > .. 493369 IN NS B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > .. 493369 IN NS C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > .. 493369 IN NS D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > .. 493369 IN NS E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > .. 493369 IN NS F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > .. 493369 IN NS G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > .. 493369 IN NS H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > .. 493369 IN NS I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > .. 493369 IN NS J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > .. 493369 IN NS K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > ;; Received 356 bytes from 61.88.88.88#53(61.88.88.88) in 60 ms > > org.172800 IN NS TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET. > org.172800 IN NS TLD2.ULTRADNS.NET. > org.172800 IN NS TLD3.ULTRADNS.org. > org.172800 IN NS TLD4.ULTRADNS.org. > org.172800 IN NS TLD5.ULTRADNS.INFO. > org.172800 IN NS TLD6.ULTRADNS.CO.UK. > ;; Received 290 bytes from 198.32.64.12#53(L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET) in 230 ms > > greenbaycc.org. 86400 IN NS taadns02.taiasp.net. > greenbaycc.org. 86400 IN NS taadns01.taiasp.net. > ;; Received 88 bytes from 204.74.112.1#53(TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET) in 250 ms > > greenbaycc.org. 3600IN MX 10 mail.greenbaycc.org. > ;; Received 69 bytes from 67.39.138.9#53(taadns02.taiasp.net) in 270 ms Interesting. I get the same response as Davide. It seems there has been a change which hasn't completely propagated through the DNS tree. Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get del ivered
Hmmm - so far, you two are the only ones that are verified as having the exact same problem sending to Yahoo and Hotmail - there may be others, but we haven't verified that, is that correct? You both have the same configuration (exactly, as Edinilson pointed out). So what do we know so far? 1. WIN 2000 service pack 4 2. MS DNS from Win 2000 on a different system than XMail and presently using SmartDNSHost (Edlinilson pointed out he seemed to have the problem even without SmartDNSHost) 3. Neither of you is in the US (does this increase the likelihood of failed connection attempts (?) or do these providers have systems spread globally (?)) 4. XMail 1.21 (but Edinilson pointed out that other versions down to 1.17 behaved the same way) 5. Francis has verified that with this configuration XMail seems to be using A records on occasion when it should be using MX records 6. The problem is intermittent and ONLY happens with Hotmail and Yahoo 7. Edinilson has verified that the problem does not exist when using MS SMTP to send from the same configuration, so it seems somehow related to XMail. On this issue I have found XMail to be extremely RFC compliant (I think that was one of Davides intentions) and it may be that MS SMTP is doing something "extra" to overcome some known issue that we have yet to discover with Hotmail, Yahoo, DNS, or something else. 8. Many or most others running XMail are not having this problem. It remains to be seen if others running it on Windows 2000 do or don't. So here is what I would do if I were you: 1. Try it on Windows 2003 server if you can - 2000 is starting to get a little grey at the temples anyway. 2. Try it on Linux or *BSD (FreeBSD! FreeBSD!) If you still have the same problem with these configurations, then the problem likely has to do with your infrastructure outside of the OS - some funky problem that defies imagination, but that IT people are all quite familiar with! You know, the kind of problem where you stand there with your mouth hanging open and mutter: "huh?" and it never makes any sense, or a distinction in the way it interacts with XMail that is unusual. Without being able to replicate the behavior, you have a very limited test group - you two (so far!) If I could replicate the behavior, and had any time left over after typing this email, then I would help, but at the moment it is up to you! I don't think anyone is ignoring XMail under Windows, but finding any possible bug without being able to easily replicate it is extremely difficult... Jeff CLEMENT Francis wrote: > > > >>-Message d'origine- >>De : Edinilson J. Santos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Envoyé : vendredi 2 septembre 2005 15:02 >>À : xmail@xmailserver.org >>Objet : [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get >>delivered >> >> >> >> >.. >.. >.. > > >>I'm discarding DNS problems. >> >>Thanks >> >>Edinilson >>- >>ATINET-Professional Web Hosting >>Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 >>http://www.atinet.com.br >> >> >> > >Me too ... > >Francis >- >To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in >the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered
Davide Wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dig intergraonline.com. mx +trace >intergraonline.com. 172800 IN NS ns1.qsrch.net. >intergraonline.com. 172800 IN NS ns2.qsrch.net. >intergraonline.com. 172800 IN NS ns3.qsrch.net. >intergraonline.com. 172800 IN NS ns4.qsrch.net. >;; Received 181 bytes from 192.26.92.30#53(C.GTLD-SERVERS.NET) in 99 ms > >intergraonline.com. 86400 IN CNAME pjn.qsrch.net. >.. 518400 IN NS A.ROOT-SERVERS.net. I get the same, is this showing that the dunce has used a CNAME as the result of an MX lookup - RFC says don't do. This shows it a little easier to read (plain english) - although 'nslookup' did go the extra step and resolve the CNAME. C:\>nslookup > set q=mx > intergraonline.com. Server: eth0.nms1.vic01.dataco.com.au Address: 202.63.39.130 Non-authoritative answer: intergraonline.com canonical name = pjn.qsrch.net pjn.qsrch.net MX preference = 0, mail exchanger = ix2-mail-gw.new.net - I just got through telling someone else, if you don't follow the RFCs how can you expect the Internet to talk to you. The fix here is to contact the hostmaster and enlighten him/her. Rob :-) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, CLEMENT Francis wrote: > Even if John's initial problems are due to 'very badly' destination dns > zones setup, for hotmail.com dns report is CLEAN and OK !! > (seems $soft is not allways bad :-) ) > So why xmail 'sometimes' use the domain A record even if resolving the = > mx is > not a problem ? In the hotmail case, that sure has DNS configured like it should, the MX resolution is not a problem (like you can see from the logs posted). The "End of stream data" error, is something you linked to problem in the link between XMail and the remote SMTP server. And the fact that happens on an handfull of setups out of many tenths of thousands, shows that is somehow related with network setups. - Davide - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> -Message d'origine- > De : Edinilson J. Santos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Envoyé : vendredi 2 septembre 2005 15:02 > À : xmail@xmailserver.org > Objet : [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get > delivered > > .. .. .. > > I'm discarding DNS problems. > > Thanks > > Edinilson > - > ATINET-Professional Web Hosting > Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 > http://www.atinet.com.br > Me too ... Francis - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The other windows 2000 server with CDONTS is exactly configured in the same way the xmail's server is. In the server with microsoft smtp server messages to hotmail.com and msn.com aren't queued. They were delivered in the first try. But, with XMail, messages to hotmail.com and msn.com are queued and stay there until the error maximum number of retris has been reached raises. I'm discarding DNS problems. Thanks Edinilson - ATINET-Professional Web Hosting Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 http://www.atinet.com.br - Original Message - From: "CLEMENT Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 6:53 AM Subject: [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get delivered > -Message d'origine- > De : Edinilson J. Santos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Envoyé : jeudi 1 septembre 2005 20:37 > À : xmail@xmailserver.org > Objet : [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get > delivered > > > > I'm with the same problem since 1.21 but, because we are a > XMail for Windows > user using Microsoft stuffs (os, dns, etc), maybe others > simply ignore it > (including Davide!) > > Here I'm using ms smtp (aka cdonts) to delivery messages to > hotmail.com and > msn.com. > Without this "trick" messages to hotmail.com and msn.com > can't be delivered > and in the spool we can see: > > << > ErrCode = -162 > ErrString = End of socket stream data > SMAIL SMTP-Send MX = "mx1.hotmail.com." SMTP = "mailserver" From = > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" To = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" Failed ! > SMTP-Error = "417 Temporary delivery error" > SMTP-Server = "mx1.hotmail.com." > >> > << > ErrCode = -162 > ErrString = End of socket stream data > SMAIL SMTP-Send MX = "mx2.hotmail.com." SMTP = "mailserver" From = > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" To = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" Failed ! > SMTP-Error = "417 Temporary delivery error" > SMTP-Server = "mx2.hotmail.com." > >> > > Edinilson > - > ATINET-Professional Web Hosting > Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 > http://www.atinet.com.br > Seems to be not exactly the same problem here as xmail reported it tryed the connexion to mx1.hotmail.com and mx2.hotmail.com (SMTP-Server lines) so here xmail USE the MX records ! Seems hotmail very busy here ... Is this the complete report ? (as I don't see xmail trying mx3.hotmail.com and mx4.hotmail.com ... nor the overs tests) A little question to Davide : could xmail add also the IP used in the 'SMTP-Server' line ? This could help to test connectivity to the exact server on domains with multiples ip's associated with the MX used (like hotmail and yahoo)? Francis - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> -Message d'origine- > De : John Kielkopf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Envoyé : vendredi 2 septembre 2005 07:47 > À : xmail@xmailserver.org > Objet : [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get > delivered > > > > Davide Libenzi wrote: > > >greenbaycc.org. 86400 IN NS taadns02.taiasp.net. > >greenbaycc.org. 86400 IN NS taadns01.taiasp.net. > >;; Received 88 bytes from 204.74.112.1#53(TLD1.ULTRADNS.NET) in 58 ms > > > >greenbaycc.org. 3600IN NS taadns01. > >;; Received 54 bytes from > 67.39.138.9#53(taadns02.taiasp.net) in 66 ms > > > > > >What's "taadns01." ?? > > > > > > However, it doesn't seem to stop nslookup or other tools from > retrieving > the MX record. How does XMail differ? > Agree Even if John's initial problems are due to 'very badly' destination dns zones setup, for hotmail.com dns report is CLEAN and OK !! (seems $soft is not allways bad :-) ) So why xmail 'sometimes' use the domain A record even if resolving the mx is not a problem ? Francis - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> -Message d'origine- > De : Leonardo Fogel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Envoyé : jeudi 1 septembre 2005 23:50 > À : xmail@xmailserver.org > Objet : [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get > delivered > > > > Although yahoo.com has 4 mx records and each mx record > has 4 A records: > >yahoo.com. ... MX 1 mx1.mail.yahoo.com. >yahoo.com. ... MX 5 mx4.mail.yahoo.com. >... >mx1.mail.yahoo.com. ... A 67.28.113.10 >mx1.mail.yahoo.com. ... A 67.28.113.11 >... >mx4.mail.yahoo.com. ... A 66.218.86.156 > > xmail tries only one A record for each mx record, in > case of successive failures. This is by design. > > Please, is it an RFC recommendation? I understand the > multiple A records are intended to provide load > balance, but what is an mta supposed to do in case of > failure? Shouldn't it try all A records till success? > > Many thanks. > Don't know exactly statements in RFC but John (Kielkopf) find a detail in RFC 2821 Section 5 So I suppose (I'm not a smtp rfc specialist and didn't read all ..) : A MTA must try all mx's until success and NEVER try any A domain record if one or more MX entry exist. Then if the mta get a mx record resolution returning multiple ips, the mta must try all the ip's until success. Then, depending of the mta number of 'retries' configured, the mta redo the loop again (all mxs , and for each mx entry, all ip's for this mx) Then, if none success, return a NDR (No delivery report) to the sender So with hotmail.com and hotmail (4 mx entries, and each mx pointing to 4 ip's), and assuming the MTA is configured to try 4 times to deliver (normal first attempt + 3 retries), a final NDR can only be send after 64 physical connections ( 4 mx * 4 ip * 4 attempts or total number of ip's * number of attempts). Francis - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> -Message d'origine- > De : Edinilson J. Santos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Envoyé : jeudi 1 septembre 2005 20:37 > À : xmail@xmailserver.org > Objet : [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get > delivered > > > > I'm with the same problem since 1.21 but, because we are a > XMail for Windows > user using Microsoft stuffs (os, dns, etc), maybe others > simply ignore it > (including Davide!) > > Here I'm using ms smtp (aka cdonts) to delivery messages to > hotmail.com and > msn.com. > Without this "trick" messages to hotmail.com and msn.com > can't be delivered > and in the spool we can see: > > << > ErrCode = -162 > ErrString = End of socket stream data > SMAIL SMTP-Send MX = "mx1.hotmail.com." SMTP = "mailserver" From = > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" To = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" Failed ! > SMTP-Error = "417 Temporary delivery error" > SMTP-Server = "mx1.hotmail.com." > >> > << > ErrCode = -162 > ErrString = End of socket stream data > SMAIL SMTP-Send MX = "mx2.hotmail.com." SMTP = "mailserver" From = > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" To = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" Failed ! > SMTP-Error = "417 Temporary delivery error" > SMTP-Server = "mx2.hotmail.com." > >> > > Edinilson > - > ATINET-Professional Web Hosting > Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 > http://www.atinet.com.br > Seems to be not exactly the same problem here as xmail reported it tryed the connexion to mx1.hotmail.com and mx2.hotmail.com (SMTP-Server lines) so here xmail USE the MX records ! Seems hotmail very busy here ... Is this the complete report ? (as I don't see xmail trying mx3.hotmail.com and mx4.hotmail.com ... nor the overs tests) A little question to Davide : could xmail add also the IP used in the 'SMTP-Server' line ? This could help to test connectivity to the exact server on domains with multiples ip's associated with the MX used (like hotmail and yahoo)? Francis - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> -Message d'origine- > De : Rob Arends [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Envoyé : jeudi 1 septembre 2005 14:51 > À : xmail@xmailserver.org > Objet : [xmail] Re: messages to yahoo and or hotmail does not get > delivered > > > > Francis, this also true for me: > > > Yes > > The problem is EXACTLY 'XMAIL comes back to the A record > for obscure=20 > > reasons (internal or due to bad dns responses ?) even if MX > records=20 > > exists for the target domains'. > > I'm glad there *is* someone with the *same* problem as me. > > It means the problem is reproducible - always good when you need to = > track > down a weird problem.=20 > > Rob: -) Welcome :-) Francis - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe xmail" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line "help" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
