(313) Business Automotive industry 'If General Motors were to lose out, I think Detroit would go under

2008-11-14 Thread Martin Dust
grim reading: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/nov/14/ford-chrysler-general-motors m

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2008-11-14 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight
"We're not recyclers," he said of his countrymen. "We're consumers of products." the problem in a nutshell MEK Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 11/14/2008 09:06:49 AM: > grim reading: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/nov/14/ford-chrysler-general-motors > > m

Re: (313) Business Automotive industry 'If General Motors were to lose out, I think Detroit would go under

2008-11-14 Thread Joel Gajewski
yperreal.org> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:44:31 AM Subject: Re: (313) Business Automotive industry 'If General Motors were to lose out, I think Detroit would go under "We're not recyclers," he said of his countrymen. "We're consumers of products." the pr

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2008-11-14 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight
and all of my family there. > > It's sad really. > > > - Original Message > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Friday, November 14,

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2008-11-14 Thread Michael Kuszynski
ve Detroit and all of my family there. >> >> It's sad really. >> >> >> - Original Message ---- >> From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Cc: list 313 <313@hyperreal.o

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2008-11-14 Thread Matt Kane's Brain
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:50, Michael Kuszynski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you don't pay executives they will go run other companies who will. Not always a bad thing. -- matt kane's brain techno radio at: http://hydrogenproject.com http://wzbc.org capoeira in boston http://capoeirageraisusa

Re: (313) Business Automotive industry 'If General Motors were to lose out, I think Detroit would go under

2008-11-14 Thread Michael Kuszynski
That's for the shareholder's and board of directors to decide, and if it comes to it, the federal government which becomes a stakeholder if they provide a capital injection in exchange for preferred shares through the TARP program (which it doesn't look like it will happen). And if the board of di

RE: (313) Business Automotive industry 'If General Motors were to lose out, I think Detroit would go under

2008-11-14 Thread Paul Thurston
st Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Business Automotive industry 'If General Motors were to lose out, I think Detroit would go under As sad as it is for life in Detroit, the US auto industry has not exactly learned any lessons from the 70's/80's when foreign cars started picking

Re: (313) Business Automotive industry 'If General Motors were to lose out, I think Detroit would go under

2008-11-17 Thread Joel Gajewski
>; Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:50:06 AM Subject: Re: (313) Business Automotive industry 'If General Motors were to lose out, I think Detroit would go under If you don't pay executives they will go run other companies who will. On Fri,

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2008-11-17 Thread theREAL
No, but I don't have to. I worked there for 31 years - 28 of it right down on the assembly line. I know enough to say with authority that nobody made that kind of cash unless he or she worked some hefty overtime hours. On the 40 hours that I got most of the time, I pulled in right around 40k a

RE: (313) Business Automotive industry 'If General Motors were to lose out, I think Detroit would go under

2008-11-17 Thread Paul Thurston
ED]>; list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>; Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:50:06 AM Subject: Re: (313) Business Automotive industry 'If General Motors were to lose out, I think Detroit would go under If you don't pay executives they will go run

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2008-11-17 Thread Dan Sicko
I just want to ask the question -- do you think the banks that were bailed out made better business decisions than the Big 3 over the last decade? -d On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:39 PM, theREAL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, but I don't have to. I worked there for 31 years - 28 of it right down >

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2008-11-18 Thread Michael Kuszynski
The deeper questions are: If you don't bail out the big american banks, will the financial system collapse? If you don't bail out the american auto makers, will the auto industry collapse? Yes. No. On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:08 AM, Dan Sicko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just want to ask the qu

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2008-11-18 Thread theREAL
The deeper questions are: If you don't bail out the big american banks, will the financial system collapse? If you don't bail out the american auto makers, will the auto industry collapse? Yes. No. And you know this how? Too bad people with so much clarity of vision haven't been in charg

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2008-11-18 Thread Joel Gajewski
financial sector has made just as many bad decisions as the automakers have.   - Original Message From: theREAL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:39:39 PM Subject: Re: (313) Business Automotive industry 'If Gener

Re: (313) Business Automotive industry 'If General Motors were to lose out, I think Detroit would go under

2008-11-18 Thread theREAL
Are you talking net or gross? My friend started working for GM around 2000 and his hourly wage was around $18-$20 and I was jealous at the time. Net, of course. And please don't take my remarks as being in support of SUV's in general or stupid mfg/marketing decisions made by the big 3. I'

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2008-11-18 Thread theREAL
Correction - I meant gross. W/o overtime, I pulled in between 40-45 k per year. j theREAL wrote: Are you talking net or gross? My friend started working for GM around 2000 and his hourly wage was around $18-$20 and I was jealous at

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2008-11-20 Thread anthony
I just hate thinking of GM arriving at congress with their hats in their hands stepping out from their private jets. I mean for real? A On Wed, November 19, 2008 3:25 pm, J.C. wrote: > On 18 November 2008, Dan Sicko wrote: > >> I just want to ask the question -- do you think the banks that were

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2008-11-20 Thread Michael Kuszynski
Maybe it is time for 'change' On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:46 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just hate thinking of GM arriving at congress with their hats in their > hands stepping out from their private jets. I mean for real? > A > > > > > On Wed, November 19, 2008 3:25 pm, J.C. wrote: >> On 1

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2008-11-17 Thread Greg Earle
Joel Gajewski wrote: As sad as it is for life in Detroit, the US auto industry has not exactly learned any lessons from the 70's/80's when foreign cars started picking up in terms of sales. Plus, they neglect the American market in terms of style, performance and most importantly quality. Th