Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread marina pure sonik
I get ya, Robin and I agree. While on the dancefloor, I'd like to be able to catch a glimse of the dj being aware of the crowd and be skillful enough to react any crowd reaction and go back to concentrating on what they're doing. Its not alot to ask for, just balance. Also, Kraftwerk is kno

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread Matt Kane's Brain
On Mar 15, 2005, at 13:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If people enjoy going to "see" something, that's okay, but it shouldn't be mixed up with the properly musical dimension, and it shouldn't be used as a criteria for assessing if someone is a good musician or DJ. They call music part of "show

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Martin, I think people are mixing up two different things: 1. Music 2. Theatre/Performance Art/Visual Entertainment The question is, why does one have to express oneself theatrically (2) in order to be good at (1) Music/DJ'ing? If people enjoy going to "see" something, that's okay, but it sh

RE: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lay a laptop set after our band plays. ~David -- Original Message - Subject: RE: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:50:10 - From: "Robert Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "robin" <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread Matt Kane's Brain
On Mar 15, 2005, at 11:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's just they should be red computers with laser beams operated by spacesuited aliens. I heard that at a party Friday night. Too bad they were playing crappy hard house garbage. Ravers, sheesh. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.co

RE: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>what i'm saying is that there is something else that is compelling about their performance. And that's what I was trying to say. What I certainly wasn't trying to do was dis Surgeon who gave an ace 'performance' despite his lack of tricks with a ball. What I am honestly trying to do is analyse m

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread alex . bond
>i can't even remember why i went off on one. let alone back then :) aha! welcome to the world of having a memory span of a goldfish. It's great, you never get bored. just a little repetetive. I just had the hairdryer treatment of a lifetime off my boss. thats the 3rd time in three days if you

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread ha
it's not the line that made me "come" it's the viewpoint that shone through all your sarkyness ; ) Martin Dust wrote: that line stems from a hit : ) so it's this old "underground vs commerciality" debate? that's so z because it's set up azz backwards. in reality it's a purely

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread Martin Dust
that line stems from a hit : ) so it's this old "underground vs commerciality" debate? that's so z because it's set up azz backwards. in reality it's a purely aesthetical debate and it should be fought out as such Martin Dust wrote: Hey Robin, "Remember back in the day, when th

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread ha
that line stems from a hit : ) so it's this old "underground vs commerciality" debate? that's so z because it's set up azz backwards. in reality it's a purely aesthetical debate and it should be fought out as such Martin Dust wrote: Hey Robin, "Remember back in the day, when the

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread robin
Hey Robin, "Remember back in the day, when the underground was the underground and people weren't trying to make hits, what happened"? :) i can't even remember why i went off on one. let alone back then :) robin...

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread alex . bond
>what i'm saying is that there is something else that is compelling about >their performance. I know, and to a certain extent I agree with your point of view. It's just I think this argument is about what you like to look at, which basically is a subjective (is that the right word?) argument. e

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread Martin Dust
LOL lolwell i tried to express what's in my head but failed (judging by the response) as it happens this has all veered into 'dancing about architecture' or whatever the quote is. so i give up. :) needless to say the best performance i've seen in recent years was also that kraftwe

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread robin
LOL lolwell i tried to express what's in my head but failed (judging by the response) as it happens this has all veered into 'dancing about architecture' or whatever the quote is. so i give up. :) needless to say the best performance i've seen in recent years was also that kraf

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread Martin Dust
what i'm saying is that there is something else that is compelling about their performance. and the part of that sentence that i predict people will pull me up on is 'performance'. but that is what they are there to do. my preference is for the music to convey massive enthusiasm in a technic

RE: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread J.T.
riginal Message- From: Robert Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Mar 15, 2005 10:04 AM To: "J.T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 313 Detroit <313@hyperreal.org> Subject: RE: (313) ..earth calling francisor other berlin goers

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread Martin Dust
On 15 Mar 2005, at 14:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off, what a load of boll*cks. nice touch Martin. You sound as if you're in a similar mood to me. I'm in great mood fella, just shooting the breeze while the Choccy cake bakes... M

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread robin
My mate saw Basic Channel live at Lost, behind a screen. Awesome he said. Moodymann played behind a sheet in Manchester. No difference there either.. Kraftwerk, stood still, didnt move a jot in 2 ours of a live show. Possibly the most stunning thing I've ever seen in my life. what i'm saying

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread Martin Dust
First off, what a load of boll*cks. What you are basically saying is that by "performing like a seal" you are magically transformed from a good DJ to a great DJ - absolute utter rubbish. The case in point, Surgeon, he clearly speaks through his music and that's the way he is, he doesn't perfo

RE: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread Robert Taylor
ts - I can do that myself, thank you very much. -Original Message- From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:01 PM To: Martin Dust; 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers you dont have to perform like a seal and bounce

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread J.T.
ohhh yeah. those are really good examples. you lose robin! ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 15, 2005 9:50 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) ..earth calling francisor other berlin goers >First off, what a load of boll*cks. nice touch Martin.

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread J.T.
you dont have to perform like a seal and bounce a ball on your nose. it seems very simple to understand that watching movement is more entertaining than watching something standing still. but i also disagree with good dj becomes great dj part. a great dj could be standing still but it wouldnt mat

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread robin
martin used him as an example, i've not seen him. robin... Robert Taylor wrote: Graaah - I'm a little confused -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:57 PM Cc: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or ot

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread Stewart Caig
ROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:50 PM Subject: Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers > > >First off, what a load of boll*cks. > > nice touch Martin. You sound as if you're in a similar mood to me. > > :

RE: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread Robert Taylor
Graaah - I'm a little confused -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:57 PM Cc: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers Robert Taylor wrote: > I've seen him play a few times and he

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread robin
Robert Taylor wrote: I've seen him play a few times and he's one of the most compelling DJs to hear - never seen him lose the floor at all. to clear this up at no point am i talking about surgeon. robin...

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread alex . bond
>First off, what a load of boll*cks. nice touch Martin. You sound as if you're in a similar mood to me. : ) I have to say, I 'watched' a dj once before. I was ill. (could hardly stand) It lasted about 30 minutes. I learnt something I guess, but I can't say I'll ever do it again. While I see Ro

RE: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread Robert Taylor
I've seen him play a few times and he's one of the most compelling DJs to hear - never seen him lose the floor at all. -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:51 PM To: Martin Dust Cc: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) ..earth calli

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread robin
First off, what a load of boll*cks. What you are basically saying is that by "performing like a seal" you are magically transformed from a good DJ to a great DJ - absolute utter rubbish. The case in point, Surgeon, he clearly speaks through his music and that's the way he is, he doesn't pe

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread Martin Dust
don't do that...i'm interested in what you have to say on the matter martin robin... OK, then, First off, what a load of boll*cks. What you are basically saying is that by "performing like a seal" you are magically transformed from a good DJ to a great DJ - absolute utter rubbish.

Re: (313) ..earth calling francis....or other berlin goers....

2005-03-15 Thread Martin Dust
> but Surgeon suffers a bit in my mind as I'm a luddite. I wonder if it's not laptops vs. vinyl as such I object to but just that using them seems to remove people's animation? When I've seen people rocking over laptops it's been OK but mostly, somehow, that little bit less movement of usin