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Subject: Re: (313) 909s
Peteri, Jochem wrote:
And the kick is essential, you cannot sample this baby.
Can you elaborate on this?
I'm not arguing with it. I'm just not clear on the idea of an
unsampleable sound
Subject: RE: (313) 909s
Hi,
And the kick is essential, you cannot sample this baby.
Can you elaborate on this?
I'm not arguing with it. I'm just not clear on the idea of an
unsampleable sound.
This can be explained by seeing that the 909 generates each kick
I think the machine is a bit underrated strange as this might sound...you can
mix it old school fashion, but you can mix this baby in so many ways. Its so
much more than the sound we think of when we say 909. This machine can boost
your mix like nothing else out there.
And the kick is
Peteri, Jochem wrote:
And the kick is essential, you cannot sample this baby.
Can you elaborate on this?
I'm not arguing with it. I'm just not clear on the idea of an
unsampleable sound.
--
Dennis DeSantis
www.dennisdesantis.com
I know its weird, but ive been feeding it to the mpc and it wont work...only if
you loop it
its like those pedal hihats the dr rhythm makes if you double open and closed
hihats, everything goes all weird in the rhythm section. Also, my compressor
reacts totally different to an original and a
I know its weird, but ive been feeding it to the mpc and it wont
work...only if you loop it
its like those pedal hihats the dr rhythm makes if you double open
and closed hihats, everything goes all weird in the rhythm
section. Also, my compressor reacts totally different to an
original and a
Hi,
And the kick is essential, you cannot sample this baby.
Can you elaborate on this?
I'm not arguing with it. I'm just not clear on the idea of an
unsampleable sound.
This can be explained by seeing that the 909 generates each kick tone
on-the-fly -
Peteri, Jochem wrote on Tue, 20 Apr 2004 about following:
And the kick is essential, you cannot sample this baby. It´s the
then try sampling the 808 kick. you'll find out that 909 kick is
actually really easy to sample. imo the 909 snare is more difficult
than the kick. sample of it never
Ken has a great point, it doesnt just fade but dissolve. If before its gone it
bumps into another analog sound the collision is just beautiful, and the decay
of the sound it bumped into has changed considerably.
I hope this gives a good picture of the power of a 909
One of the reasons
Ken Odeluga wrote:
*go marignally flat* towards
the decay? That is such a distinct thing to observe and include. In fact, it
is what a real kick drum does too.
Just to clarify - a real kick drum does this if the batter head is tuned
tighter than the resonant head. Toms are often tuned this
for every track differently and
tuning a sample is different from tuning an analog sound.
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From: Sakari Karipuro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: dinsdag 20 april 2004 11:53
To: 313
Subject: RE: (313) 909s
Peteri, Jochem wrote on Tue, 20 Apr 2004 about following
the 909 swing is unmistakable, same with the MPC
swing - 62% baby!
--
Agreed!! The MPC shuffle/swing quantizing is a viable enough reason to
still get one even alongside today's best modern computer sequencers. It
shouldn't really be the case, because at the end of the day its just
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Sent: dinsdag 20 april 2004 12:58
To: Andrew; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) 909s
the 909 swing is unmistakable, same with the MPC
swing - 62% baby!
--
Agreed!! The MPC shuffle/swing quantizing is a viable enough reason to
still get one even alongside today's
Peteri, Jochem wrote on Tue, 20 Apr 2004 about following:
and the 909 shuffle has bugs, which are great.try recording a groove in
q-base, you´ll see em
tiny irregularities
they probably developed these irregularities to a feature called 'human
feel' for R-8 R-8MKII ;P (which is great
I´ve tried to fiddle about a bit with that human feel, but i found it utterly
useless...Did I miss something??
The R8 is a nice machine, although it has heavy sync-problems
and in case im getting too much gear and not enough techno
everybody sing with me
Rock...Rohooohooohooockrock to the
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Subject: RE: (313) 909s
I´ve tried to fiddle about a bit with that human feel, but i found it
utterly useless...Did I miss something??
The R8 is a nice machine, although it has heavy sync-problems and in case im
getting too much gear and not enough techno
everybody sing with me
Rock
of Suki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: dinsdag 20 april 2004 15:13
To: Peteri, Jochem; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) 909s
You will have a hard time sampling a single sample from an 808 or 909. the
trick is to sample a pattern (just kicks or hat or whatever etc) so you get
that slight drift
I also find programming beats into the 909 to be very natural and easy. I
find there's just an intuitiveness and quickness to it, I just slap the
909 into step mode, hit play, and start entering in patterns. It just
*feels* right. :)
I can do the same thing with other drum machines (the
the MPC has that same feel, and gives me the intuitive programming aproach for
a full track. Beats the hell out of that ext. key blah on the 909...Seriously,
i used that a lot before i got my MPC. Haunting functionality, built to
aggrevate...
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:42:05 +0200
To: 313@hyperreal.org
From: Peteri, Jochem [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: (313) 909s
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I know its weird, but ive been feeding it to the mpc and it wont =
work...only if you loop it
its like those pedal hihats the dr rhythm makes
a strange thing suddenly pops into my mind, the only time i got a kick which
was as punchy as my 909 but still as deep was with my 12bit-sampler, a point
proven by hiphop-productions on a daily bases(sp1200 anyone?)...strange but true
Theo uses it, so there´s some 313 evidence of this as well,
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From: John Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I also find programming beats into the 909 to be very natural and
easy. I
find there's just an intuitiveness and quickness to it, I just
slap the
909 into step mode, hit play, and start entering
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From: Peteri, Jochem [EMAIL PROTECTED]
a strange thing suddenly pops into my mind, the only time i got a
kick which was as punchy as my 909 but still as deep was with my
12bit-sampler, a point proven by hiphop-productions on a daily
Musical styles have weaopons of choice
to me a 909 is to techno as the rhodes to soul
its not essential, but almost every soulrecord i pick up has one in it, and i
dont do that on purpose..
i just think that you can really retain that old
feeling without using the exact same pieces of gear.
:
Subject: RE: (313) 909s (808)
04/20/04 04:47 AM
Madlib is the king of knowing what to do...there is a lil secret to the SP
though, the marley marl trick
It´s called hard-cut, and its a vitaliser patented by EMU built into the SP(and
a lot of other EMU samplers).
And ever touched the sequencer on the SP? I don´t know what they were thinking
i wont lie, sitting down and playing a 909 is almost as fun as
playing a real drum set. but really what it came down to for me
was that i didnt want to sound just like other people, so i sold
it.
true, a 909 sounds like a 909. not a huge variety of sounds there, though
I love those sounds!
i
or use a 707/727 with a sampler at a fraction of the cost?
robin...
John Coleman wrote:
i wont lie, sitting down and playing a 909 is almost as fun as
playing a real drum set. but really what it came down to for me
was that i didnt want to sound just like other people, so i sold
it.
true,
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, robin wrote:
or use a 707/727 with a sampler at a fraction of the cost?
The 707/727 only send MIDI note information when they're in song mode.
What most people use these machines for is to fill them with patterns,
and then switch patterns on the fly. Or they put them in
or use a 707/727 with a sampler at a fraction of the cost?
The 707/727 only send MIDI note information when they're in song mode.
What most people use these machines for is to fill them with patterns,
and then switch patterns on the fly. Or they put them in step write or tap
write mode, and
jomox xbase09 i think has this ability
robin...
... And the 313Techknow list has the ability to further handle this
discussion. Before someone get's loud about this thread, join us there. It's
been quiet lately.
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, 2004 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: (313) 909s
Peteri, Jochem wrote:
And the kick is essential, you cannot sample this baby.
Can you elaborate on this?
I'm not arguing with it. I'm just not clear on the idea of an
unsampleable sound.
--
Dennis DeSantis
www.dennisdesantis.com
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