apparently they sold 6 million copies of the outkast album this year
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From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:49 AM
To: 313
Subject: Re: (313) Re: hey ya?
Then you expose one group to one set of stimuli, and expose
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Brendan Nelson wrote:
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From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 21 December 2003 06:50
There's been some attempt to actually test this empiricallyto see
whether exposure to rap music (or other aggressive art forms
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From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 December 2003 04:07
It's a bit of a chicken'n'egg question I suppose.
Not in this casethe power of the experiment is that you're able to
ferrett out the causal element...
Take a population of
Then you expose one group to one set of stimuli, and expose the other
group to some sort of placebo.
comparing hip hop to a band like placebo is a silly idea.
(stupid joke)
Let's be frank: the truth is that sexism is not deemed as offensive
cuturally as racism, accuse a racist of racism and he will get defensive,
accuse a male of sexism and it's laughed off. I always wondered about that.
Let me get this straight---are you equating all males to sexists? That's
I think that may be part of the new urban feminism that arose with Lil' Kim
and co building on Madonna's brand of feminism. Things are internalised and
subverted.
Trad feminists had real issues when Madonna first came out and there has
always been disquiet surrounding Kim, who acknowledged Madonna
This is a great response.
I think it's fair enough to discuss it, though, and the issue has arisen in
specific media, as that essay by dream showed. Andrew's contribution was
well intentioned.
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From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org
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I didn't mean to dog anyone in the discussion for being white and daring to
discuss the issue, if that's the impression I gave.
I just think there's a discussion to be had, placing misogyny in hip hop
lyrics in the context of the unique problems facing black americans -- too
many men in jail, too
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Kent williams wrote:
I didn't mean to dog anyone in the discussion for being white and daring to
discuss the issue, if that's the impression I gave.
I just think there's a discussion to be had, placing misogyny in hip hop
lyrics in the context of the unique problems
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To: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 6:21 AM
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Just trying
Subject: Re: (313) Re: hey ya?
Just trying to keep these three ideas (blacks are american, blacks are the
other, pop music is an economic product) in my head simultaneously is a
difficult feat. but suffice it to say that because of these dynamics I'm
willing to bet that the following assertions
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From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 21 December 2003 06:50
There's been some attempt to actually test this empiricallyto see
whether exposure to rap music (or other aggressive art forms like heavy
metal) has an impact on how people
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:15:43 -, FC2 Richards wrote:
Sorry to bust you open on this thread, but last time I
listened to the words
of hey ya it was all about waiting for the right
girl.
My wife happens to
think that is the sweetest song on the album just
because of what it is
about.
I think it was dream hampton who wrote about how women - especially women of
colour - listen and appreciate gangsta rap styles and somehow listen
'beyond' what could be construed as misogynism.
Let's be frank: the truth is that sexism is not deemed as offensive
cuturally as racism, accuse a racist
lets also point out that for all the misogynism in hip hop,
while to some degree it might be looked over from a female perspective of
those who like that music... there is also an arguably reciprical aspect going
on in hip hop and rb.
i.e. to some degree there's a two way street, mutually
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, spacecrusher wrote:
lets also point out that for all the misogynism in hip hop,
It comes in many flavors -- straight up women-hating, parody of straight
up women-hating, ironic, comic, critique of misogyny -- and it comes down
to who's saying it, why they're saying it, and
Sorry to bust you open on this thread, but last time I listened to the words
of hey ya it was all about waiting for the right girl. My wife happens to
think that is the sweetest song on the album just because of what it is
about. She can look past the whole bitch thing, and I think most people
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