Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ?

2020-03-19 Thread Peter Jakobsson via 4D_Tech
Hi Due to impending “lockdown” situations I have users asking me how they can work from home. I was wondering what solutions others were finding worked well. The service provider that many of the key users have at home (Talk-Talk in the UK) blanket blocks all screen sharing software so will pr

Re: Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ?

2020-03-19 Thread Herr Alexander Heintz via 4D_Tech
Well, the problematic point here is „MACS“ Complete lack of a remote terminal solution for Macs is the primary reason why most businesses have switched to Windows in the last 8-10 years. I know it is not helping you to hear this… Maybe you can set up a MS Terminal server (or much cheaper compat

Re: Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ?

2020-03-19 Thread Randy Kaempen via 4D_Tech
> On Mar 19, 2020, at 6:34 AM, Herr Alexander Heintz via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > Well, the problematic point here is „MACS“ > > Complete lack of a remote terminal solution for Macs is the primary reason > why most businesses have switched to Windows in the last 8-10 years.

Re: Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ?

2020-03-19 Thread Peter Jakobsson via 4D_Tech
> On 19 Mar 2020, at 12:39, Randy Kaempen via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > I have to disagree. I use screen sharing to access remote Macs on many of my > clients’ systems. It is fast and easy to use. I can do whatever I want on > the remote machines. What remote access tech

Re: Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ?

2020-03-19 Thread Bernd Fröhlich via 4D_Tech
Alexander Heintz: > Complete lack of a remote terminal solution for Macs is the primary reason > why most businesses have switched to Windows in the last 8-10 years. Sorry, but that´s just fake news. I can log in the severel dozen Macs from home just fine. Just switch on screen sharing and confi

Re: Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ?

2020-03-19 Thread Herr Alexander Heintz via 4D_Tech
Am 19.03.2020 um 13:05 schrieb Peter Jakobsson via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>: >> I have a client who has a huge Windows Server machine and they run all >> instances of 4D client on it. Everyone connects via RDP to those clients >> and it’s fast. > > > You mean server + multiple clients

Re: Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ?

2020-03-19 Thread Bruno LEGAY via 4D_Tech
Hi, Few things here. 1. Apple native remote client ("Apple Remote Desktop" ARD) is very good. We use it remotely connect to machines and servers over a VPN. The key thing is to have a VPN setup to secure your traffic. You can also use VNC protocol. So one remote client (home/Mac) === vp

Re: Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ?

2020-03-19 Thread Randy Kaempen via 4D_Tech
Peter, > On Mar 19, 2020, at 7:05 AM, Peter Jakobsson via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > > >> On 19 Mar 2020, at 12:39, Randy Kaempen via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> >> wrote: >> >> I have to disagree. I use screen sharing to access remote Macs on many of >> my clients’ sys

Re: Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ?

2020-03-19 Thread Randy Kaempen via 4D_Tech
Bernd, > On Mar 19, 2020, at 7:21 AM, Bernd Fröhlich via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > Alexander Heintz: > >> Complete lack of a remote terminal solution for Macs is the primary reason >> why most businesses have switched to Windows in the last 8-10 years. > > Sorry, but that´s

Re: Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ?

2020-03-19 Thread the 4Dmd via 4D_Tech
Hi Peter, It depends on what you are trying to accomplish A few scenarios I have done for a few clients... 1) If it's just 4D server they need access to then just port forward the 19812-19814 on the router to the 4D server machine and then install 4D client (Mac or windows) on the employees

Re: Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ?

2020-03-19 Thread Lee Hinde via 4D_Tech
1997 called and want their Slam-The-Mac back. :-) > On Mar 19, 2020, at 4:34 AM, Herr Alexander Heintz via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > Complete lack of a remote terminal solution for Macs is the primary reason > why most businesses have switched to Windows in the last 8-10 yea

Re: Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ?

2020-03-19 Thread Herr Alexander Heintz via 4D_Tech
It’s not about slamming the mac, i work with a Mac since they exist (1984) and absolutely love my MacBook Pro, although I do have grievances concerning the ludicrous pricing policy (come on, I am willing to pay a premium, but 450% of market price for SSD or RAM?). I just stated why Apple lost t

Re: Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ?

2020-03-19 Thread James Crate via 4D_Tech
On Mar 19, 2020, at 11:13 AM, Herr Alexander Heintz via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > AFAIK the MacOS cannot be changed to allow multiple concurrent user sessions > on one Computer, the OS simply lacks the necessary tools to do it. > When you switch users on a Mac, you need to first

Re: Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ?

2020-03-19 Thread Herr Alexander Heintz via 4D_Tech
Am 19.03.2020 um 16:19 schrieb James Crate via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>: > > Logging in as myself creates a virtual instance and allows me to use that > machine without disturbing anyone who maybe be sitting at the machine or > screen sharing. Live and learn, remembered differently, but i

Re: Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ?

2020-03-19 Thread Sandor Szatmari via 4D_Tech
From: James Crate via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> Cc: James Crate Sent: 3/19/2020 11:19 AM Subject: Re: Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ? On Mar 19, 2020, at 11:13 AM, Herr Alexander Heintz via 4D_Tech <4

Re: Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ?

2020-03-19 Thread Janet Jonas via 4D_Tech
The solution I have been using to work at home is a Mac App called VPN Tracer 365, but it is not so great on speed for intensive data access, so I also use the built-in screen sharing in the Mac OS to connect to desktops, and our headless server machine - any machine that allows it. There are so

Re: Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ?

2020-03-19 Thread Janet Jonas via 4D_Tech
Correction: I guess it is an app you download, Chrome Remote Desktop, I have never used it myself. JJ > On Mar 19, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Janet Jonas wrote: > > The solution I have been using to work at home is a Mac App called VPN Tracer > 365, but it is not so great on speed for intensive data

Re: Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ?

2020-03-19 Thread kculotta via 4D_Tech
I remember connecting a terminal to the serial port on Apple's Lisa, and running a second user. We must have installed Unix or Xenix at the time. Aren't "terminal services" already a part of Unix (or macOS)? I put that in quotes because, apart form being a terminal services user on occasion,

Re: Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ?

2020-03-19 Thread Herr Alexander Heintz via 4D_Tech
Am 19.03.2020 um 16:52 schrieb kculotta via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>: > > I remember connecting a terminal to the serial port on Apple's Lisa, and > running a second user. We must have installed Unix or Xenix at the time. > Aren't "terminal services" already a part of Unix (or macOS)? I

Re: Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ?

2020-03-19 Thread David Loeppky via 4D_Tech
I'm sure there are more elegant solutions, but here is what we are doing. Our office has a mix of Windows and Macs. We use 4D, Quickbooks Enterprise, and Google for essentially everything. We have installed Google Remote Desktop on every office machine. People are working from home using their

Re: Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ?

2020-03-19 Thread Tom Benedict via 4D_Tech
In my experience, what you describe is the ideal situation, where you have an office workstation to which you connect via some kind of screen sharing app on your remote machine. You get the full horsepower of your office workstation and all the remote machine has to do is screenshare. Terminal

Re: gitignore for projects

2020-03-19 Thread Mike Kerner via 4D_Tech
did you diff the versions to see what changed in the .4dcatalog file? On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 7:34 PM John DeSoi via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > I ignore anything in the settings directory, but you could argue against > that. For example, you might want to track changes in your build

Re: barcode

2020-03-19 Thread Mike Kerner via 4D_Tech
we wrote a library way back in the day that used 4d draw, i think, but using a font was always less hassle and faster. building your own barcodes is like writing EPS or PDF or PCL from scratch. You can do it, but if you don't have to, maybe you shouldn't. On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:53 PM Chuck Mil

Re: Gmail, LSA, and OAuth

2020-03-19 Thread Mike Kerner via 4D_Tech
or you can do this a different way - using a mail relay. that way your 4d app doesn't have to be changed. the relay accepts your smtp and then relays the message to google. On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 8:32 PM Guy Algot via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > 100% agree. > > > On Mar 18, 2020, a

Printing Listbox multiple pages

2020-03-19 Thread John J Foster via 4D_Tech
Hi All, I have an array based listbox of results that needs to be printed. I am starting with simple code: PRINT SETTINGS If (ok=1) SET PRINT PREVIEW(True) OPEN PRINTING JOB FORM LOAD("Timescan_print") $ref:=Print object(*;"tscanChartInfo") $ref:=Print ob

Re: Printing Listbox multiple pages (resolved)

2020-03-19 Thread John J Foster via 4D_Tech
Hi All, Never mind - unless you found something a bit easier… I found an older JPR example (I think) and it was really easy! Just change the code to something like this: C_BOOLEAN(vOver;$ref) PRINT SETTINGS If (ok=1) SET PRINT PREVIEW(True) OPEN PRINTING JOB FORM LOAD(

Re: Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ?

2020-03-19 Thread Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech
On Mar 19, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Alexander Heintz wrote: > OsX is as much a UNIX flavor as we are basically primates. > > BSD split in 75 from UNIX and NEXTSTEP in 86 from BSD. > > don't know why, but AFAIK the MacOS is not suited for multiple concurrent > user sessions. Good that you prefaced you

Re: barcode

2020-03-19 Thread Bernd Fröhlich via 4D_Tech
Chuck Miller: > The only problem is creation of of bar code. I think hmbar code does all > types (128 etc) which are harder to do programmatically. When I tried, I was > able to get 128 working on a Mac or a PC but not both. The coding seems to > have been slightly different If you need a "Co

Re: Gmail, LSA, and OAuth

2020-03-19 Thread Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech
what relay would you propose. Regards Chuck Chuck Miller Voice: (617) 739-0306 Informed Solutions, Inc. Fax: (617) 232-1064 mailto:cjmillerinformed-solutions.com Brookline, MA 02446 USA R

Re: Gmail, LSA, and OAuth

2020-03-19 Thread Tom Benedict via 4D_Tech
I support a 4D app which currently uses Twilio sendgrid.net send all outbound email. While our email volume is modest Iaven’t run into any issues with it. Seems stable. Tom Benedict > On Mar 19, 2020, at 13:50, Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > what relay would you

Re: Remote working with 4D networks - what are people using ?

2020-03-19 Thread Keith Goebel via 4D_Tech
When I need to work from home, I connect my iMac to a PC at work using Splashtop. It's just like sitting at the desk at work and it works great! HTH, Keith ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archive

Re: gitignore for projects

2020-03-19 Thread John DeSoi via 4D_Tech
Yes, it shows differences in whitespace near comments in the .4DCatalog file. John DeSoi, Ph.D. > On Mar 19, 2020, at 12:38 PM, Mike Kerner via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > did you diff the versions to see what changed in the .4dcatalog file? ***