On Thu Sep 15 00:37:30 EDT 2011, benave...@gmail.com wrote:
> erik, it the fs that doesn't support ' ' in file names...
>
> On Sep 15, 2011, at 12:58 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>
> > looks like spaces in file names are a problem, at least
> > on my system.
> >
> > minooka; hg clone https://code.g
i'm having a bit of trouble compiling everything.
chula; mk trap.6
6c -FTVw trap.c
trap.c:280 not a member of struct/union: core
trap.c:281 not a member of struct/union: nixtype
mk: 6c -FTVw trap.c : exit status=rc 25899: 6c 25901: error
/sys/include/tos.h doesn't appear to match.
- erik
SEMSLEEP isn't defined in /sys/src/libc/9syscall/sys.h
; cd $home/nix-os
; grep SEMSLEEP `{find . }
./sys/src/nix/port/syscallfmt.c:case SEMSLEEP:
./sys/src/nix/port/systab.c:[SEMSLEEP] { "Semsleep", syssemsleep, { .i
= -1 } },
- erik
erik, it the fs that doesn't support ' ' in file names...
On Sep 15, 2011, at 12:58 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> looks like spaces in file names are a problem, at least
> on my system.
>
> minooka; hg clone https://code.google.com/p/nix-os/
> destination directory: nix-os
> requesting all changes
looks like spaces in file names are a problem, at least
on my system.
minooka; hg clone https://code.google.com/p/nix-os/
destination directory: nix-os
requesting all changes
adding changesets
adding manifests
adding file changes
transaction abort!
rollback completed
abort: Bad file number:
/n/ot
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:10 PM, ron minnich wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Bakul Shah wrote:
>
> > So you use both 2MB and 1GB PTEs?
>
> Yes. nemo had some extremely clever ideas and hence we can use them
> (but not in the same segment).
>
>
> > "Tubes" in memory of Sen Ted Stevens?
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:33 PM, ron minnich wrote:
>
>
> Although for my money abaco is still really neat ...
>
> ron
>
>
I wonder if I can get abaco to display pages with a high-contrast-inverse
theme. :]
- Leonard
this is still my favorite:
http://gi52.photobucket.com/groups/g5/6DUVRHDUAT/typing.gif
-rob
invest some time then.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 01:43, Akshat Kumar wrote:
> abaco is free.
>
> :-)
>
>> Although for my money abaco is still really neat ...
>>
>> ron
>
>
Since you're on Ubuntu, why don't you start learning the ropes of the
Plan 9 programming environment by compiling/running 9vx on Ubuntu and
then hitting the papers? That way you can easily continue to use
Mozilla and invest minimal time before being able to actually get
something out of Plan 9 (yo
abaco is free.
:-)
> Although for my money abaco is still really neat ...
>
> ron
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:30 PM, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Plan 9 is an OS, p9p is less.
> If all you need from Plan 9 is in p9p no need to boot Plan 9.
> We have a browser, but not one with all the newest craze (no html5,
> js, flash, gl).
>
>
Although for my money abaco is still real
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:19 PM, L N wrote:
> Why should I boot Plan 9, when I know I can't run a browser, and I already
> have p9p?
um, precisely. You should not. So use p9p. Let's get back to trying to
figure out where the Ted Stevens quote is in the NIX source.
thanks
ron
Plan 9 is an OS, p9p is less.
If all you need from Plan 9 is in p9p no need to boot Plan 9.
We have a browser, but not one with all the newest craze (no html5,
js, flash, gl).
On Sep 14, 2011, at 5:17 PM, ron minnich wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:13 PM, L N wrote:
>
>> Afraid to commit to booting native Plan-9 until I'm sure I can get openbox,
>> firefox, and chromium-browser working on it.
>
> ah, now I see :-)
> http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_imag
> I will not give you a video: I will make you want
> to own a Mac.
If I had too much money I'd rather get me a secretary or not use
computers at all.
I'd like to see how you use acme with all that gesture stuff. Yeah, I
can read, but I don't understand the slang ;)
> I think you have seriously misapprehended many things about Plan 9.
>
What am I misapprehending?
> We don't have X. We are not Linux compatible, although there's a
> rather decent Linux emulator. There is no GTK, no Qt, no Firefox, no
> modern C++ compiler.
>
I don't need X, Linux compatibil
The point is that you can run multiple operating systems,
these days, even on the same machine at the same time.
There's no need to use the same one for everything.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:54 AM, John Floren wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:41 PM, L N wrote:
>>
>>> ah, now I see :-)
>>>
>>>
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:41 PM, L N wrote:
>
>> ah, now I see :-)
>>
>> http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0511-0701-3117-1335_Skeleton_Behind_a_Business_Desk_clipart_image.jpg
>>
>> ron
>
> Maybe.
>
> The web-browser really is a deal-breaker, though.
>
> I really enjoyed reading a
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Nick LaForge wrote:
> Surely though I'm jumping the gun and need to wait for Ron's talk to tell all.
well, most of the work having been done by others, I doubt you need my talk :-)
For those of you going to IWP9, you can push on Nemo and Gorka and
Enrique for in
> ah, now I see :-)
>
> http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0511-0701-3117-1335_Skeleton_Behind_a_Business_Desk_clipart_image.jpg
>
> ron
>
Maybe.
The web-browser really is a deal-breaker, though.
I really enjoyed reading about Plan 9, first at plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/,
and lat
Kudos to the involved researchers for valuing such public involvement. :-)
Performance numbers immediately come to mind considering the nature of
the work. I know Ron's past talks considered bottleneck analysis, but
for those of us not running such large machines it is probably
necessary to read
> Can you guys perhaps create a small video about
> how you use your computers now? It's difficult to
> understand for someone who doesn't own a mac, but
> I would still like to see what you're doing there ;)
I will not give you a video: I will make you want
to own a Mac.
I used Slackware for ma
I heard German, so I say: Schall und Rauch
I think bad names can help quality of information (because without
being able to use google people can only use the official site as a
starting point).
I want my monitor's brightness and color temperature to suit my
ambient light. I'm used to black text on white paper and I don't want
to see white squares behind black monitors.
Perhaps the only reason I bother is because I'm sitting in front of
pcs too long.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 23:55, s s wr
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:13 PM, L N wrote:
> Afraid to commit to booting native Plan-9 until I'm sure I can get openbox,
> firefox, and chromium-browser working on it.
ah, now I see :-)
http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0511-0701-3117-1335_Skeleton_Behind_a_Business_Desk_clipart
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:57 PM, John Floren wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:55 PM, s s wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Or use xpdf -rv
> >> Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose.
> >
> > How come no one likes high-contras
On Wed Sep 14 18:09:19 EDT 2011, yiyu@gmail.com wrote:
> > BTW, can 9vx access fossil or kenfs from a separate partition?
> >
>
> It should work with fossil or kfs setting nobootprompt. Adding cwfs
> would be trivial, but I don't know if anybody has tried with a proper
> kenfs kernel. You coul
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:48 PM, John Floren wrote:
> I don't want to drag out the discussion, but:
>
> 1. Nixie is pretty much generic these days. Wikipedia even calls it a
> genericised trademark.
> 2. Nixies are also Germanic water spirits.
>
> I think we're good :)
(I don't want to contribute
> BTW, can 9vx access fossil or kenfs from a separate partition?
>
It should work with fossil or kfs setting nobootprompt. Adding cwfs
would be trivial, but I don't know if anybody has tried with a proper
kenfs kernel. You could also use rcvx and mount whatever you want from
there.
--
- yiyus |
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:55 PM, s s wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Or use xpdf -rv
>> Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose.
>
> How come no one likes high-contrast-inverse themes?
>
>
Because we like our eyeballs. I think you're
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Or use xpdf -rv
> Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose.
>
Somehow, plain text is much more enjoyable to read than pdf.
> i want to boot plan9 using grub.
My /boot/grub/menu.lst includes these lines:
title Plan 9
root(hd0,1)
chainloader +1
and the corresponding partition has /386/pbslba as a boot block --
see format(8).
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Or use xpdf -rv
> Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose.
>
How come no one likes high-contrast-inverse themes?
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote:
> Yes, http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.txt.gz
>
>
Wow is that better.
Too bad there is no css for pdf. (Or is there?)
Viewing the book now with Firefox/Stylish/Blackify.
http://userstyles.org/styles/2154/blackify
- Leonard
Or use xpdf -rv
Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 23:43, s s wrote:
> Is there an html version of the nemo book?
>
> http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.pdf
>
> Want to read it as white text on a black background.
>
> - Leonard
>
>
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote:
> Yes, http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.txt.gz
>
>
Cheers.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Bakul Shah wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:42:53 PDT John Floren wrote:
>>
>> We have discussed this. "Nixie" was a proposed new name, but for now
>> we'd rather get the actual code and distribution right than worry
>> about the name.
>
> I like the name Nixie (&
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Bakul Shah wrote:
> BTW, can 9vx access fossil or kenfs from a separate partition?
I've done it but it was long ago.
BTW, I also forget to mention (there's lots of new stuff) that there
is a nice performance counter implementation in there too.
ron
Yes, http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.txt.gz
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote:
> IIRC there's a 9.txt.gz, not html, but raw text.
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:43 PM, s s wrote:
>> Is there an html version of the nemo book?
>>
>> http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.pdf
>>
>> Wa
IIRC there's a 9.txt.gz, not html, but raw text.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:43 PM, s s wrote:
> Is there an html version of the nemo book?
>
> http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.pdf
>
> Want to read it as white text on a black background.
>
> - Leonard
>
>
Is there an html version of the nemo book?
http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.pdf
Want to read it as white text on a black background.
- Leonard
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:10:42 PDT ron minnich wrote:
>
> > "Tubes" in memory of Sen Ted Stevens?
>
> The name came first, but once I found the quote, well, the name had to be
> used.
You betcha.
> Sorry. hg is having some issues with that. Here it is. You need the
> 386 libraries there for jp
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:42:53 PDT John Floren wrote:
>
> We have discussed this. "Nixie" was a proposed new name, but for now
> we'd rather get the actual code and distribution right than worry
> about the name.
I like the name Nixie (& Nixie tubes (& Nixie tube watches!))
but isn't Nixie a trad
possibly there could be fewer new names for things.--- Begin Message ---
> > "Tubes" in memory of Sen Ted Stevens?
>
> The name came first, but once I found the quote, well, the name had to be
> used.
should we just call them "stubes"?
- erik--- End Message ---
Awesome! Congrats to all involved!
D
On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:41 AM, ron minnich wrote:
> We'd like to announce the availability of NIX, a 64-bit Plan 9 kernel
> with some new ideas. The full set of changes will be covered at IWP9.
> For now, here are some highlights.
>
> - 2 MB PTEs. 4096 byte P
On Wed Sep 14 16:56:53 EDT 2011, rminn...@gmail.com wrote:
> The tree is set up to run under 9vx or on a standard Plan 9 system. We
> have tested and it is possible to do a full build of amd64 binaries
> and then a build in /sys/src/nix/k10 and boot the kernel. You'll be prompted
> during the build
> > "Tubes" in memory of Sen Ted Stevens?
>
> The name came first, but once I found the quote, well, the name had to be
> used.
should we just call them "stubes"?
- erik
2011/9/14 Lluís Batlle i Rossell :
> As google results depend on who searches... I "work" for a
> project under the name of nix for some years:
> http://nixos.org/nix/
yep, name clashes are regrettable but they happen.
Anyway, I like your project too so at least we are in good company!
ron
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote:
> Yes, IX was already taken for a file system protocol.
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:38 PM, s s wrote:
>> Are you sure you want to call it NIX, though?
>>
>
>
And X was used to. Ah well.
ron
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Bakul Shah wrote:
> So you use both 2MB and 1GB PTEs?
Yes. nemo had some extremely clever ideas and hence we can use them
(but not in the same segment).
> "Tubes" in memory of Sen Ted Stevens?
The name came first, but once I found the quote, well, the name ha
Yes, IX was already taken for a file system protocol.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:38 PM, s s wrote:
> Are you sure you want to call it NIX, though?
>
>
> We have discussed this. "Nixie" was a proposed new name, but for now
> we'd rather get the actual code and distribution right than worry
> about the name.
>
> John
>
http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/the_hideous_name/
- Leonard
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 04:38:42PM -0400, s s wrote:
> Very nice.
>
> Are you sure you want to call it NIX, though?
>
> A google search for "nix kernel" returns a lot of unrelated results.
>
> http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=nix+kernel
As google results depend on who searches... I "work" for a
p
hello
do you have a virtual machine image? 9vx crash here. Also i can´t find the
BUILDING_AMD64
thanks,
gabi
El 14/09/2011, a las 22:42, John Floren escribió:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:38 PM, s s wrote:
>> Very nice.
>>
>> Are you sure you want to call it NIX, though?
>>
>> A google sear
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:38 PM, s s wrote:
> Very nice.
>
> Are you sure you want to call it NIX, though?
>
> A google search for "nix kernel" returns a lot of unrelated results.
>
> http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=nix+kernel
>
> How about, "Plan-64"?
>
> - Leonard
>
We have discussed this. "Nix
Very nice.
Are you sure you want to call it NIX, though?
A google search for "nix kernel" returns a lot of unrelated results.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=nix+kernel
How about, "Plan-64"?
- Leonard
howdy,
i've installed plan9 on a separate partition of my hard drive alongside
debian linux.
i'm not 100% clear on what boot option is best for a setting like this.
i want to boot plan9 using grub.
if that's not doable, can anyone please suggest an alternative way of
doing it.
sasha kapsh
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Bakul Shah wrote:
> So you use both 2MB and 1GB PTEs?
Yes.
>> - Tubes, a new IPC mechanism like pipes that uses the optimistic semaphores
>
> "Tubes" in memory of Sen Ted Stevens?
No. In the memory of regular standard tubes. But yes,
there's a comment about that
> A solution is to use old binaries working on Snow
> Leopard, and then you can do:
>
>mk cocoa && DEVDRAW=cocoa acme
For Acme, you should use a recent binary that Russ
kindly compiled on Snow Leopard:
http://swtch.com/~rsc/acme
else Acme will not interpret "cmd+z" as "Undo" (a
c
Excellent news!
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:41:48 PDT ron minnich wrote:
> - 2 MB PTEs. 4096 byte PTEs are not used in user programs at all.
> - 64 bit address space for processes, backed by 1 Gbyte PTEs for BSS
> with addresses > 1 Gbyte. Use of Gbyte PTEs does not require anything
> special; it ju
> could somebody put together a step-by-step on how
> to build for Lion? I've downloaded the plan9ports
> tarball, extracted it to /usr/local/plan9, and
> done an hg pull -u, but INSTALL dies with
> complaints from ld about a malformed TOC entry in
> libbio.a.
John, this problem comes from Xcode
futexes do not promise to behave like actual semaphores the last
time I checked them out.
These ones do. But the main difference is not that. They come with
a semalt() op that tries to do a down at the same time on a set of semaphores.
So, if you model tubes (nix channels) as a regular producer-c
> anything useful from truss?
acid reports 'bad magic: unknown file type'. the app exits before any
of the standard osx instruments can record it.
here's the change to mkwsysrules.sh to build the cocoa devdraw by
default. i'm hoping with this my ./INSTALL will complete or exhibit
other errors.
-
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:32 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
> PTE = Page Table Entry? Sorry, been working in Java too long I guess :-(.
yes. pages are 2 MB. Most programs need only 3 PTEs: code, data+bss, and stack.
> Can I run Mozilla Firefox? :-)
no. Cinap's linux emulation is far more capabl
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:31 AM, ron minnich wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:28 AM, David Leimbach
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:23 AM, andrey mirtchovski <
> mirtchov...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> add:
> >>
> >> [ "$SYSNAME" != "Darwin" ] || ranlib $2
> >>
> >> to th
Great set of ideas here!
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:41 AM, ron minnich wrote:
> We'd like to announce the availability of NIX, a 64-bit Plan 9 kernel
> with some new ideas. The full set of changes will be covered at IWP9.
> For now, here are some highlights.
>
> - 2 MB PTEs. 4096 byte PTEs are no
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:28 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:23 AM, andrey mirtchovski
> wrote:
>>
>> add:
>>
>> [ "$SYSNAME" != "Darwin" ] || ranlib $2
>>
>> to the bottom of $PLAN9/bin/9ar
>>
>> then cd src/cmd/devdraw && mk cocoa && cp cocoa $PLAN9/bin/devdraw
>>
>>
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:23 AM, andrey mirtchovski
wrote:
> add:
>
> [ "$SYSNAME" != "Darwin" ] || ranlib $2
>
> to the bottom of $PLAN9/bin/9ar
>
> then cd src/cmd/devdraw && mk cocoa && cp cocoa $PLAN9/bin/devdraw
>
> now you're as far as I got :) i'm trying to figure out why 'colors'
> works,
add:
[ "$SYSNAME" != "Darwin" ] || ranlib $2
to the bottom of $PLAN9/bin/9ar
then cd src/cmd/devdraw && mk cocoa && cp cocoa $PLAN9/bin/devdraw
now you're as far as I got :) i'm trying to figure out why 'colors'
works, but acme exits with return value of 1.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:59 AM, david jeannot wrote:
>> So I will send my code in the next few days,
>> unless there is a need.
>
> I'm 9 days late, but here it is: the Cocoa version
> of Devdraw. I just submitted it to Codereview:
>
> http://codereview.appspot.com/5015042
>
> I removed l
Can you guys perhaps create a small video about how you use your
computers now? It's difficult to understand for someone who doesn't
own a mac, but I would still like to see what you're doing there ;)
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 18:40, david jeannot wrote:
>> One issue I did not w/ acme: screen redra
> One issue I did not w/ acme: screen redraw is
> significantly slower than the Carbon version.
> Test by starting win in acme and doing something
> that creates a long listing (netstat, ps,...).
> Not a big issue as this can be fixed later.
Yes, it was very painful, but the new version is
very re
mind the gap
On Sep 14, 2011, at 10:58 AM, andrey mirtchovski wrote:
> sounds great. now, explain the tubes in more detail, please :)
>
>
sounds great. now, explain the tubes in more detail, please :)
We'd like to announce the availability of NIX, a 64-bit Plan 9 kernel
with some new ideas. The full set of changes will be covered at IWP9.
For now, here are some highlights.
- 2 MB PTEs. 4096 byte PTEs are not used in user programs at all.
- 64 bit address space for processes, backed by 1 Gbyte
David,
So far my testing on your prior version worked
decently on Lion (linked against Snowy built
9libs). Once this new version shows up in the
source tree I'll be able to test a little more.
One issue I did not w/ acme: screen redraw is
significantly slower than the Carbon version.
Test by sta
> smtp: bad network /net/tcp!bluestar!12345 (tcp!bluestar!12345)
This should have been corrected by the hg update. But update only
changes the source code - you still have to rebuild the command with
cd $PLAN9/src/cmd/upas/smtp
mk smtp.install
> so I tried
> $PLAN9/bin/upas/smtp -ai 'tcp!128
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