either will no
doubt challenging and challenging in their own rights. Personally
I don't know know enough about the web to assess it myself though
I do have observations I'll leave at a cursory level that there
does not seem to be a simple solution.
BTW, why is the above a &qu
number of people
who still use dumb terminals and such and swear by lynx.
I know this is not what errno is seeking, and it could even
end up being a distraction to such a goal, but don't know
what can be built atop it, so this could equally be an insane
suggestion to look into it.
the process of getting it debugged. The harder it is for people to
grasp the intent of any given section, the longer it will be before
the program becomes operational." -- Kernighan and Plauger
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e exception to this the HP cfront implementation
>which they might release if hassled.
As I recall, HP cfront was one in the same (adding the implementation
of exception handling to cfront mostly). They did do further
work on (modern) templates but it was to an inhouse compiler.
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orrect, it was attempted but ran into issues.
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ume that's so and will always be so. Here, we're always
"switching" between mostly MacOS and Windows (used to be LINUX
and Windows). It's annoying, and yes it often means icebergs,
but we find we'd rather have/take them than nothing, even in the face
of it "being imp
In article ,
Greg Comeau wrote:
>In article ,
>Greg Comeau wrote:
>>In article ,
>>Greg Comeau wrote:
>>>As mentioned in a post yesterday, we seem to have succeeded in getting
>>>5c et al built. However, in resuming playing around at least one case
>&
on MacOSX 10.6.7.
Just a note that we've since upgraded to 10.6.7 and it seems
fine with us too.
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>In article ,
>Greg Comeau wrote:
>>As mentioned in a post yesterday, we seem to have succeeded in getting
>>5c et al built. However, in resuming playing around at least one case
>>/bin/ape/sh is producing:
>>
>>./command
is try to set up an alternative
9vx.OSX install from scratch, and apply the latter above instead
of the earlier system build (or whatever it is that the other was)
and see if that helps any, unless there is thoughts that is
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>>
>>cd /sys/src/cmd; mk 5^(a l c)^.install
>>cd /sys/src; objtype=arm mk install && mk clean
>>
>> - erik
>>
>I posted some on the wiki about how I got the guruplug working for me...
Thanks. I tried google'ing
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>As mentioned in a post yesterday, we seem to have succeeded in getting
>5c et al built. However, in resuming playing around at least one case
>/bin/ape/sh is producing:
>
>./command-name[3]: other-command-name: cannot execute - Access Denied
>
to this trying
to copy sys and eventually had to use a piping tar and cross
my fingers nothing got stomped on that I'm trying to (eventually) build
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amp; mk clean
Just getting to play with this... had to do some copying of some of
the files first among other setbacks... ok, plain mk asks what to make,
and so I tried 'mk all' which is saying 5c does not exist, but
that's one of the things I want it to build
MacOSX 10.6.7.
Great, 9vx is so convenient.
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except it's not raining here today :)
Also, it does not seem that vc and qc (and perhaps some others)
follow the above procedure. Is that right? IOWs, for instance,
after the mk all and mk install only 1c, 2c, 5c, 7c, and 8c are
in /386/bin, but the others I don't see.
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uilds stomped
on something already existing. Any ideas what?
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r the additional compilers ("packaged" files of each compiler
would be best)?
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mp), but I'll guess probably one needs to look
also at its footprint vs (or in addition to) rsh's, if this read issue
and similar is of such concern to OP.
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lse and/or premature opimizations. So, not that it won't
make the script faster, but whether in the long run it's a practical
compromise. Last comment is that read is a built-in in many UNIX
shells, so of course this is not an exact comparison, but still
in the end need to get to
o it will
be read a second time." So your problem lib is probably having put
libf2c.a first.
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7;d really like to suggest is C++ shouldn't
>be used at all :-)
Probably not much should be used at all :)
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reats `inline' as a hint
>>> at most, just like `register'.
>>>
>>
>> Well how does template expansion affect all of this? =C2=A0I've heard in =
>conversations that C++ is pretty register hungry which makes me think lots =
>of inlining happens behi
s.
Probably I put my foot in my mouth with this unofficial
definition, but I'm sure somebody will point that out :)
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easy to loose some semantics in subtle ways and/or corner cases
when making such "easy" changes. That said, isn't cpp independent
of the current compilers, and, as well, even if cpp were to support
some analogous capability, cpp does not normally have capability
to obtain functio
In article <1d5d51400909090803n4c4d5b7ewba9dfe0573d02...@mail.gmail.com>,
Fernan Bolando wrote:
>On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Greg Comeau wrote:
>> In article <1d5d51400909080844q1bee4c3s114ccc5e51ce5...@mail.gmail.com>,
>> Fernan Bolando wrote:
>>>...
-- or something -- mising from the #define in the first place.
(so instead of (void*)blah+99 this ((void*)(blah+99))) etc.
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still not clear what you're
eventually trying to do in/with the code in question, so changing
the cast to an unsigned char * cast may not necessarily be the solution
and/or best solution.
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rn v + 23;}
>% gcc -Wall -c x.c
>%
use -pedantic:
q.c:1: warning: pointer of type 'void *' used in arithmetic
There is probably some option to have the warning as an error too.
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ric's point is that the #define by itself
may be fine, but *using it* as constant intializer is not,
since the value of startLabel, if it's something like a char *,
is not for use as a constant intiailizer
(so adding 464 to it is not either).
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n reproduce it).
On a relate note, you can see the results of preprocessing
from pcc by using the -E and/or -P options, that way you
can see whether the macro ended up getting substituted
and what it was substituted to -- or not in your case.
Some compilers also have options which will emit the tr
o you may have told the compiler not to warn about that.
That additional diagnostic could be misleading in some cases,
but it could have been another poke in helping you resolve the issue.
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ten to you instead? Irony?
Let's move on.
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Chill out. Let's move on. Please.
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In article <9758acfae7a47701316dbcd67a703...@quanstro.net>,
erik quanstrom wrote:
>> From what I've seen that are (well, implementations of them).
>> Some thing they're fun too :) Generally universal comments anyway.
>
>is this english++? i just can't
r perhaps even this assertion is shaped by my personal
>impressions.
A kind of empirical comment:
What you first learned, or at least what you first learned
that worked, often seems to wire us to that way. This seems
to bring forth biases establishing your programming universe
versus somebody else
In article <936a4bab-7d9a-4b65-ab6a-c5eea8e43...@storytotell.org>,
Daniel Lyons wrote:
>On Sep 7, 2009, at 3:05 AM, Greg Comeau wrote:
>>> Some keep saying that we should use more complex languages in
>>> the introductory course because they're in some way easier
t;tools"?
>
>The rest was just my reasoning to ask.
>From what I've seen that are (well, implementations of them).
Some thing they're fun too :) Generally universal comments anyway.
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o, LISP doesn't (not anymore, to say the least).
These bits and piece do come into play, however, I think your
conclusion greatly exaggerates the situation, at least as I
understand what you said.
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ly certain I was confused about this when I originally
read that document. I think (I can't recall) the example being
in a different language than C so coughed it up to some different
scoping rules or something in that other language.
So, the clincher is, if it's the case, since
hat said, saying "push" and "inherent" are probably
inherently pushing things :)
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e right approach, different steppingstones
can be provided depending upon the strategy chosen.
Of course, that can be a prescription for being doomed
to fail, but it's a juggle for sure even with success,
whatever that is, and with event he easier approach,
whatever that is :)
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if we all agree blocks are BS,
moving more generally, that something can already be done using
feature X had BETTER be a consideration, but that consideration alone
is often insufficient.
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d cannot write C code, i
>would think that the candidate is not good enough.
Comes full circle, as if that is the metric, then that rules out
most candidates.
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>On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 02:02:53PM +0000, Greg Comeau wrote:
>> In article <20090903120157.ga1...@polynum.com>,
>> wrote:
>> >I have the principle that, since a programming language aims to express
to be executed on a concurrent FIFO, is where
>the real power comes out.
This seems to be the first post that does not appear to be a kind of
knee jerk reaction.
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similar sort of thing. One point is clear --
>there no consensus yet.
I don't think I follow what you just said, but your conclusion
is probably exactly right.
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lows
the underlying machinery can pick up on the tag, or not,
to do the locking. Automatically. If I'm not remembering
correctly, or, I'm thinking about something totally different,
I'm certain somebody will correct any misspeaks I've just made.
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the compiler is doing with their C
code, even though say C++ usually gets the short end of the
stick on this one (deservingly so, but C ain't 0&, far from
it IMO).
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ture' to C.
Apple, and many other companies, sure can be pompous often,
bringing even "the market chooses" to be rhetoric.
That said, I really can't say how true the above is in this case.
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essary to the language proper, to help
>it compete in the lame one-size-fits-all strand of programming
>language debate.
As mentioned, then, that includes C too. For that matter,
a whole pack of stuff. So, I can't imagine that's really
the point being brought forth.
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In article <6a3ae47e0909030757n31a8d09aoa2b2d57628a5a...@mail.gmail.com>,
Robert Raschke wrote:
>On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Greg Comeau wrote:
>> Ok, now I'll get provocative:
>> Then why do so many people have a problem understanding C?
>> Please don'
hat? the one that says "i'm a rational person but
>will say irrational things if it helps me sell my wares"?
That seems to be one valid interpretation :)
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t understandable, and
>whose results were not engaging.
>
>And I fear that, behind the conscious, this has played a role...
That's good, because he's from Denmark :) Let's drop this part of things...
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In article ,
Brantley Coile wrote:
>If the language can't be explained in 50 pages, it's no good.
Well, that rules out C too then! :) (not even considering the library parts)
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Akshat Kumar wrote:
>Greg Comeau wrote:
>[... stuff ...]
>
>These four posts seem to be in indirect
>conversation with Charles Forsyth's,
>"one thing that gets me is that i've had
>people fulminate about the few minor
>changes in Plan 9's
me that if
one wants compound literals then one probably would go for
something like this block stuff. Certainly they do different
things, but, still, just a thought.
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obably find one.
Just to throw a wrench out: A problem with that, if it is so, is that
"Ken C" has already delved there, whether we're looking at it
from "C is C" as "K&R C", C89/90, C99, or something in the middle :)
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ns.
>
>In any case, implementing closures in C isn't too difficult, and if
>you want to return a function, just return a pointer to it.
That is definitely part of the counter issue, OTOH, the
counter-counter issue :) is in part to not have to worry about
those point
me spirit (I doubt Kirk feels C will die, nor Gates that
OS/2 was such (nor that MS products have no bugs))
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te with
lots of draft wording for them in a forthcmoing C++ standard.
That then may or may not mean the "dump" will make its was back to C.
Coming full circle, if it does, it means, Apple's block stuff
will not be compatible, at least not syntactically (at least
not what I recall of i
7;s advocate: That seems to argue against a great
many things in that case, including current Plan 9 C extensions.
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stake ?
>Doesn't "%b" behave like the other integer format specifications ?
Sound like you may want %d, however, not sure what you're trying
to do, since dunno what you mean by text binary or if you were just
cutting corners with ... but run "man sprintf" and have a l
ing a calculator that will take advantage of several
>features of Plan 9 (Runes, libgeometry, etc.) and I'd like to make
>these available.
Does it help any to initialize constants[] in a source file
by itself?
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are make to unravel
and install themselves on a number of different systems just by running
the file, so I suspect it was a reference to something along those
lines, though I'm totally wild guessing myself, but suspect it
was being used something like a UNIX sh `here document', and he
t
t; input was coming from
(it had/has other attributes you could add to the line to
say more about the file etc). Dunno why it's coming along
here but probably some sort of emulator or something similar.
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