Re: [9fans] fossil [was: List of companies that use Plan 9.]

2024-05-18 Thread Lucio De Re
without improvements will eventually go extinct, possibly taking Venti to its grave as well. I don't think it's just sentimentalism on my part that keeps me interested, it is the implicit, as yet unrealised promise. At least from my point of view. Lucio. On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 4:07 

Re: [9fans] fossil [was: List of companies that use Plan 9.]

2024-05-18 Thread Lucio De Re
with Venti as one component, but with Fossil quite dependent on Venti? Lucio. On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 9:16 PM David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Responding off list shortly :) > > I'd like to be included into the discussion as well. > > Thanks.

Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

2024-05-18 Thread Lucio De Re
This is extremely helpful; thank you, Noam. I'm not in a position to make any promises, but I will add my efforts to get issues such as these at least not forgotten. Lucio. On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 8:47 PM Noam Preil wrote: > I would _love_ a complete list of known issues. > >

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-17 Thread Lucio De Re
to deal with it. But I am aware that the times, they are a-changin'. Lucio. On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 7:51 PM fig wrote: > > The document is blatantly AI-generated > > Not accurate at all > > Why can’t we remove these losers from the mailing list? Look at this mess. > If

Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

2024-05-17 Thread Lucio De Re
ill taking place here, but the value of the emotional baggage involved, in my opinion, is precisely zero, even though I have had quite a few occasions for muttering and even cursing into my beard (or is it under my breath?). Lucio. On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 6:53 PM Noam Preil wrote: > I have found

Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

2024-05-15 Thread Lucio De Re
only in P9P - in my experience. So is Venti only a trophy application, or are there serious uses for it among the 9front community? Lucio. On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 7:04 PM Jacob Moody wrote: > On 5/15/24 11:20, Don Bailey wrote: > > > > I have zero emotional attachment to Fossil. What I

Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

2024-05-15 Thread Lucio De Re
he semantic subtleties of "bad" as you interpret it, but I will privately consider your judgement and interpret your postings with a bias parallel to the one you have displayed toward me so far. And I will not go away. Not by choice. Lucio. On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 4:37 PM Jacob Moody w

Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

2024-05-15 Thread Lucio De Re
ntain your software for you for free"), I am not impolite enough to respond in kind. Lucio. On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 8:05 AM Jacob Moody wrote: > On 5/14/24 23:46, Lucio De Re wrote: > > If this comes across as a troll, keep in mind that it is your > interpretation that mak

Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

2024-05-14 Thread Lucio De Re
arlier discussion does bring that to mind. In short: I totally agree with Ian, we are responsible for what and how gets discussed here. Lucio. On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 1:20 AM michaelian ennis wrote: > > > > On May 14, 2024, at 12:07, tlaro...@kergis.com wrote: > > M &g

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-10 Thread Lucio De Re
nicer if instead of calling out bad behaviour, it got the benefit of the doubt. I accept that I was as guilty of that presumption as much as anyone who posted after me. Lucio. On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 3:39 PM wrote: > > > > What I notice - correct me if I am mistaken - is that any com

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-10 Thread Lucio De Re
did. My apologies to Jacob, first, and second to anyone else who may have found my behaviour offensive, Lucio. On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 2:39 PM thedaemon via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > His name is Moody, you keep spelling it differently in what I can only > assume is a passive ag

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-10 Thread Lucio De Re
nes I know hand have long respectes, ask them) of the 9front community that seem to take offence unless 9front is painted in a better light. I guess that's permissible, but please mind your manners if you choose to go that route, this is 9fans and 9front I believe has its own discussion groups.

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-10 Thread Lucio De Re
m dedicated to the very subject matter they are so disapproving of. Surely they realise that 9fans is a stupid place to do so? Lucio. On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 10:49 AM wrote: > Thanks! I’ve been practicing my impersonation. Want to hear my human > impression next? > > The goal of writ

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-10 Thread Lucio De Re
the followers the option to provide that support altogether. That's not the exact opposite of offering to support it. Lucio. On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 10:27 AM Charles Forsyth wrote: > (if it was all that easy, why was it discarded entirely? > > > I suspect no-one wanted to maint

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-10 Thread Lucio De Re
eagues share your attitude. You may br factually right, but that is really not enough. Lucio. On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 9:52 PM hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > no clue which conflict you're seeing, vic. > > there's been some trolling back and forth since forever, the

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-09 Thread Lucio De Re
ed on what has now become 9legacy, but there are significant 9front contributions. It would have been quite helpful if p9p development had been farmed out to a team comprising developers (and designers) from both camps. Lucio. On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 11:06 AM wrote: > I am using fossil on plan9port

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-09 Thread Lucio De Re
d I am always fearful of undertaking anything I don't think I can handle. But the motivation is there, the question is whether the necessary cooperation will also materialise. My sincere thanks to Vic, once again, for dowsing the looming flames, we do not need conflict, of the emotional brand, to

[9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-08 Thread Lucio De Re
t;native" platforms. I must admit I got to know nits in these two distributions that I would rather I didn't have to, but I've just about had enough. -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824

Re: [9fans] dd(1) takes very long

2024-03-01 Thread Lucio De Re
> All of my e-mails are cryptographically signed. Verify them. > -- > You don't need an AI for a robot uprising. > Humans will do just fine. > -- > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824

Re: [9fans] Re: Hello, RPi fixes and bind -b trouble

2024-02-23 Thread Lucio De Re
that may well become the foundation. Occasionally Esperanto is mentioned, but my experience suggests that is as hopeless as the adoption of Swahili in Africa. PS: thanks for documenting your efforts, they will save others a lot of brain-ache. -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State)

Re: [9fans] Formation of a Plan 9 Core Team

2024-01-26 Thread Lucio De Re
uch, but have distinct identities. I tend to think of 9front and 9legacy along similar lines. I dream of "one Plan 9", but it is an immense and probably pointless exercise. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/group

Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

2024-01-25 Thread Lucio De Re
edra, I think you belong in the Middle Ages, the Counter-Reformation at best. We ought to have grown past religious belief by now, and started accepting that the Earth revolves around the Sun. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com

Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

2024-01-24 Thread Lucio De Re
he sender of the message you are responding to, then it is not surprising that people misunderstand your intentions. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T42f11e0265bcfa18-M99e0f5314012c96ca9cd7aaf Delivery options: https

Re: [9fans] odd rwakeup qunlock behaviour in 9vx

2023-11-09 Thread Lucio De Re
the time to compose your reply, which is definitely an improvement on the short, insulting exchanges that seem to pop up in this list most of the time. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T7a5bb3cde50a8a9a-M34f4254c

Re: [9fans] odd rwakeup qunlock behaviour in 9vx

2023-11-08 Thread Lucio De Re
I assume that such an example, in this context, would be instructive, if not immediately, certainly in the more distant future. I am sincerely hoping you intend to publish your efforts that certainly sound very promising. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9f

Re: [9fans] Remind me how to make the fs writable for `mk install'

2023-08-30 Thread Lucio De Re
o /bin/9fs or it's already there: "9fs fossil". Lucio. On 8/30/23, Don Bailey wrote: > Hi All, > > I am trying to `mk install' all cmds/libs. Can someone please remind me how > to tell fossil that an active fs can be written? > > Thank you, > D --

Re: [9fans] [PATCH] fossil: fix a deadlock in the caching logic

2023-04-05 Thread Lucio De Re
eriously consider ditching the fossil/venti combination and consider centralising permanent storage on something like ZFS instead? Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T354fe702e1e9d5e9-M71e442edb5e1099e40508e7c Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] iwp9: papers announced

2023-03-13 Thread Lucio De Re
Too far for me to travel, but there is a lot in the list I will be extremely sorry to miss. Well done to all contributors! Lucio. On 3/13/23, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > The accepted papers are up on the website: http://iwp9.org/ > > For convenience, I'll repeat the list here:

[9fans] Signature algorithms for P9P ssh-agent

2023-02-10 Thread Lucio De Re
s to avoid poorly re-inventing the wheel). Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tab0b060ef6f74832-M3af8dfeffd9e4320c74ab94a Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] Mail 447: /mail/fs/mbox/: open: error

2023-01-17 Thread Lucio De Re
s you and - using the correct credentials - copy it into /mail/lib/rewrite. This for a Plan 9 native system. I am not familiar with p9p's mail arrangement, but I expect it to differ only a little. Lucio. PS: Again, Plan 9 has an extensive log facility, I'm not sure h

Re: [9fans] Re: Mail 447: /mail/fs/mbox/: open: error

2023-01-16 Thread Lucio De Re
frustration. I've been using Plan 9 since 1995, you wouldn't be able to pry it from my cold, dead hands. I'm not an expert, like many others on 9fans and its siblings, but I would find it hard to manage without its services. Lucio. -- 9fans:

Re: [9fans] Mail 447: /mail/fs/mbox/: open: error

2023-01-16 Thread Lucio De Re
you need to configure and deploy UPAS (the mail server "mail/fs"). Lucio. PS: You're the only other South African based user of p9p I am aware of. Or 9fans member, for that matter. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9

Re: [9fans] Setting acme to a GoMono or DejavuSansMono font

2023-01-15 Thread Lucio De Re
Are you perhaps using an unusual hyphen (m-dash, perhaps)? -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans

Re: [9fans] Setting acme to a GoMono or DejavuSansMono font

2023-01-15 Thread Lucio De Re
It's the "-F" that the invoked "acme" complains about, then the font filename. That just doesn't compute. mnt/font is interpreted by the font management library as a Unix socket to the font server. 9 man fontsrv will help some, it shows how to check which font

Re: [9fans] Setting acme to a GoMono or DejavuSansMono font

2023-01-14 Thread Lucio De Re
You probably have a shell alias or a shell function called acme. The p9p acme does accept the -f and -F options, I use them all the time. -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824

Re: [9fans] the practicality of plan 9

2022-11-08 Thread Lucio De Re
example, I frequently encounter situations where a mildly enhanced "proto" feature would be a very fitting approach to address them. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Td6c4be6d8502dbd0-Meabb6bfe20002d93

Re: [9fans] Creating alternative network directories

2022-10-06 Thread Lucio De Re
On 10/7/22, Lucio De Re wrote: > #l and #l0 are identical, the latter is the software (for want of a > better term) instance of the latter, #1 is the second and #2 is the > third. > > If you read the man page carefully - and I'm answering this not out of > experience, bu

Re: [9fans] Creating alternative network directories

2022-10-06 Thread Lucio De Re
you need is in the man pages.) Lucio. On 10/7/22, Thorn Avery wrote: > Hello all! > > I recently got a NIC for my tower, and I've been trying to no avail to mount > the devices as /net is. > > I have the following devices: > #l and #I, the motherboards inbuilt port >

Re: [9fans] 9front hackathon report

2022-09-26 Thread Lucio De Re
27;all create a Git development branch for this? Lucio. On 9/27/22, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > the gsoc thread reminded me that I should also probably post the > hackathon writeup that I put together here, for the curious: > > https://orib.dev/9hack1.html > -- Lucio De Re 2 P

Re: [9fans] Trouble compiling "Hello, world"

2022-08-02 Thread Lucio De Re
efforts are on identifying those analytical skills I found so useful in my own education. I get to see a lot of youths, but few real gems that are also interested in analytical thinking. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.c

Re: [9fans] Trouble compiling "Hello, world"

2022-08-01 Thread Lucio De Re
Thank, Kurt. The SDF home page no doubt needs a small fix. That is a lot of information and seems the product of much effort. I'll find some time to assimilate it, see if there is anything I can contribute. Lucio. On 8/2/22, Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > On Tue

Re: [9fans] USB3 1Gb ethernet card working on 9legacy (rpi 4)

2022-08-01 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/1/22, adr wrote: > > Oh, and thanks for trying with your pi, I know it takes time and > I appreaciate it. > Well, let me say thanks to you for instigating some interesting and seemingly fruitful discussion - a rare gem and a precious

Re: [9fans] Trouble compiling "Hello, world"

2022-08-01 Thread Lucio De Re
secondary education learners with much time on their hands and very little beyond their smartphones to entertain them) away from Tik-Tok, possibly also Whatsapp. SDF bootcamp seems at least a seed for something at least some of these teenagers may find instructive and a little mind expanding.

Re: [9fans] Re: ctrans - Chinese language input for Plan9

2022-07-21 Thread Lucio De Re
rently to - caused the Chinese to make great strides in computing. Lucio. > -- > 9fans: 9fans > Permalink: > https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tba6835d445e07919-Mfd7cc77a83bcefbc998c371e > Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/

Re: [9fans] ctrans - Chinese language input for Plan9

2022-07-19 Thread Lucio De Re
I have only one word for all the above: amazing! As a dumb occidental, I have no idea where one starts with ideograms, but I realise how different the concept is and how its complexity can stimulate technical creativity. Well done, all! Lucio. On 7/20/22, s...@9p.sdf.org wrote: > With

Re: [9fans] void*

2022-05-16 Thread Lucio De Re
On 5/16/22, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > i still don't understand it. if you want a pointer of size 1 what > keeps you from using a generic char or uint8 pointer? > I think what he's asking is "what's keeping everyone else from using...". I gues

Re: [9fans] How to create a different size of Courier font in plan9

2022-03-11 Thread Lucio De Re
ne is familiar with P9P. Lucio. PS: I found the release of fontsrv on "contrib", yk/lab/fontsrv/. It contains its own version of freetype and, as far as I recall, it compiles out of the box. It does require a configuration list of font archives in /sys/lib/fontsrv.map. Please keep me

Re: [9fans] plan9port acme imageinit: can't open font

2022-03-03 Thread Lucio De Re
You nay have to delete the namespace in /tmp that may have been created under root's permissions. I'm guessing, but it seems the most likely culprit. That, or fontsrv, which may also have left something that only root can access. Of course, /mnt/font is a dreadful red herri

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 applying to GSoC

2022-02-19 Thread Lucio De Re
doubt learn much myself in the process. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Td4449edc4863e16e-M23f605304b6f1f5c7288abc1 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] building blocks speaking 9p

2022-01-28 Thread Lucio De Re
x.com in the past. They specialise in Open Architecture Hardware. Their prices are very reasonable and product range quite broad. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Ta4e584a373b05553-M84956412e025f516e7cd

Re: [9fans] building blocks speaking 9p

2022-01-27 Thread Lucio De Re
the knowledge entry bar that Intel and Microsoft - and their allies - have created (that, I make no apologies for, is Politics, the Politics of Technological Domination). Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Ta4e58

Re: [9fans] licence question

2022-01-27 Thread Lucio De Re
o far are non-destructive. Anyone interested in giving me a hand consolidating the code into a single, architecture-agnostic tool, please do contact me. What works more or less out of the box is pretty good, it deserves more love and affection. Lucio. -- 9

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundationy

2022-01-24 Thread Lucio De Re
that Microftiv was being defensive, without realising he verged beyond the offensive. As for everyone else needing to voice an opinion - including myself - what is your excuse for insulting people of whom you know only one facet of their personality? Lucio. On 1/25/22, hiro <23h...@gmail.com>

Re: [9fans] Problems installing 9legacy on bare metal (Thinkpad X60)

2022-01-24 Thread Lucio De Re
rson makes him a friend on facebook. You > made some really lonely sad piece of Mr. Hankey happy today. > We add happiness where we can, I guess. Machines have a right to the occasional belly laugh too. Plus, maybe there are Noddy points one scores against

Re: [9fans] Problems installing 9legacy on bare metal (Thinkpad X60)

2022-01-23 Thread Lucio De Re
ions but soon realise that they may not > have the resources... a bit like my friend sam... /c:2022Jan23 > Thank you for the history lesson and the political savvy. Can we get on with the main topic, now? Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fan

Re: [9fans] Problems installing 9legacy on bare metal (Thinkpad X60)

2022-01-20 Thread Lucio De Re
I think I can help you, but right now is a bad moment, maybe nag me over the weekend in private mail? I am running 9front on a T61 I acquired specifically, but I did actually install 9legacy and your problem seems familiar enough that I can at least compare notes with you. Lucio. PS: your

Re: [9fans] 9legacy under OpenBSD's vmm

2022-01-16 Thread Lucio De Re
isks (in #S) > panic: no disks (in #S) > dumpstack Why does it say "0M user"? Doesn't sound very promising. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Te13afbfe31e87665-M60bea51a3e90c6263cccd8b1 Delivery opt

Re: [9fans] Boot CD chokes

2021-12-31 Thread Lucio De Re
tise 9front users, I can see why their aims are very different from my own. I am however entitled to pursue mine, with no need to draw insignificant comparisons that can so quickly devolve into pissing contests. Just my perspective. I'd like to hea

Re: [9fans] devtls memory leak bug

2021-09-26 Thread Lucio De Re
Thank you, Cinap. This certainly ought to be of interest to all. Lucio. On 9/25/21, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote: > just tracked down kernel memory leak in devtls, > might be of interested to other forks: > > http://git.9front.org/plan9fron

[9fans] 9hybrid on T61 - work in progress (small beginnings?)

2021-09-03 Thread Lucio De Re
tter to resolve. There are many questions raised as a result of the efforts described above, I'll try to formulate them so that they can be resolved objectively. Private mail with suggestions, comments, insults and praise will be entertained as best I can. Lucio. ---

Re: [9fans] porting projects...

2021-09-03 Thread Lucio De Re
You're inviting trouble :-) Maybe if you give us some idea of magnitude you are prepared to work on? Or which sphere of interest/expertise you're contemplating? The wish list is long... Lucio. On 9/4/21, Conor Williams wrote: > anyone got a list/one project to work on...

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-19 Thread Lucio De Re
. I won't bore anyone with a rant. > These are my wishes and notes, everything from my perspective. > > sirjofri > Thank you for raising them. As I said up front, I am not a P9F member of any kind. But I know that its intentions are far less nefarious than of those who wittingly ascribe nefarious intentions to them. Again, 9front has an "inside", get it to address with P9F their and your reservations. If they don't respond, then you and other 9fronters can bring evidence of ill intentions to this forum. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T9ef6430f3025e731-Mc60bc784bcca5bb5b657185a Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-18 Thread Lucio De Re
raise eyebrows when they try that with Linux. One last, not quite related matter: Plan 9 seems limited never to provide a conventional browsing experience for its audience. What does that actually say about Plan 9's future? That incidentally, must be qualified by the reality that NetBSD do

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-18 Thread Lucio De Re
Yoh! What can I say? I kind of cherish being so wildly misrepresented. At least I'm taken seriously, even if totally misunderstood. Lucio. On 8/18/21, Keith Gibbs wrote: > Come, come, Vester. Please don’t introduce false premises under the guise of > calling them out. I neve

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-18 Thread Lucio De Re
one common objective. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T9ef6430f3025e731-M27deaa7047f5187005d97c77 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-18 Thread Lucio De Re
t assumes malice behind such an obvious proposal. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T9ef6430f3025e731-M23c61c84f53dede4954ace32 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-18 Thread Lucio De Re
wly revealing its secrets to me. Unfortunately, I have neither the time nor the money to "call in your services". If this is aimed at the P9F, I cannot possibly speak for them, I can only hope that they share at least some of my own aims. Lucio. --

Re: [9fans] OAuth2 in factotum

2021-08-17 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/18/21, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > Quoth Lucio De Re : >> Does it work? > > Have you tried it? What bugs do you > have to report? > No. I have neither the 9front platform, nor the Oauth2 requirements that would motivate an outsider to try something like that out. Had

Re: [9fans] OAuth2 in factotum

2021-08-17 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/17/21, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > Quoth Lucio De Re : >> PS: This does rather sound like we ought to have a lobbying group > > You realize that this *is* the lobbying, right? > Does it work? > Someone did the work, posted a patch, and is > asking for review a

Re: [9fans] OAuth2 in factotum

2021-08-17 Thread Lucio De Re
eators did. Nothing to do with Plan 9, of course, because it really is just a drop of accidental sanity in an ocean of greed and competition. But, to complete the imagery, I'd rather be plankton in a drop of Plan 9 than a shark in the Linux Ocean. And I am, to the extent that I support and most o

Re: [9fans] OAuth2 in factotum

2021-08-16 Thread Lucio De Re
oke-browser-and-get-token-helper > >> Refresh tokens are not saved to persistent storage when factotum >> exits. The user must provide consent every time factotum is restarted. > > For this, the tokens should probably be persisted into > secstore -- but there are some security

Re: [9fans] OAuth2 in factotum

2021-08-16 Thread Lucio De Re
. If I can help in any way, I can be contacted, most conveniently, on whatsapp (+27 83 251 5824) or skype (luciodere), neither being much of a favourite - Plan 9 does rather spoil one, albeit not for choices, thankfully. Lucio. PS: This does rather sound like we ought to have a lobbying gro

Re: Posix implementation of Plan 9 cpu(1) (Was: [9fans] Command to set samterm label)

2021-07-20 Thread Lucio De Re
ould pay to build ncurses into that :-). But from my Plan 9 workstation that is absurdly not possible. Or, I have missed a step and I need somebody to rattle me some: what would it take to serve 9P on Posix (in P9P, in other words) over the network? Fontsr

Re: [9fans] sam label and rio snarf buffer

2021-07-20 Thread Lucio De Re
ration come back to rescue this planet, or will it be too late? I suppose if one omits human exceptionalism, Nature will triumph by default. But it's going to hurt like hell! Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tc809

Posix implementation of Plan 9 cpu(1) (Was: [9fans] Command to set samterm label)

2021-07-18 Thread Lucio De Re
o cpu into a Posix server to initiate an acme session, rather than using SSH to forward X? Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T09fcdec9c87bfde4-M980f0728c312f6f6ca5623f2 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] plan9 and touch screens

2021-06-24 Thread Lucio De Re
gt; And handwriting may have been discarded in the recent past, but it can be brought back if, say, speech recognition won't work. We've moved on and Plan 9 can catch up. If not, then I think obsolescence looms large. But I don't think so, I think it just needs the abil

Re: [9fans] p9f mention of 9front

2021-06-23 Thread Lucio De Re
On 6/24/21, un...@cpan.org wrote: > Quoth Lucio De Re : >> On 6/24/21, Romano wrote: >> > [...] But I'm a nobody, so I'm probably not going to persuade >> > anyone. >> > >> [ ... ] >> >> The sentiment implied in the sentence above

Re: [9fans] p9f mention of 9front

2021-06-23 Thread Lucio De Re
foisting on us. And to be ready for the next generation of hardware that may prevent this generation producing an Atlantis-sized civilisation collapse. Of course, that's not to suggest this must be Nemo's retirement package, it means that the right calibre of humans must undertake to perform

Re: [9fans] Installation problem - partdisk loop - sdC0 QEMU QEMU DVD ...

2021-04-04 Thread Lucio De Re
y know that such a thing is possible, but something about the CDROM was definitely relevant. Lucio. PS: It's confusing to call that situation a loop. All that's happening is that partdisk is failing and expects you to fix the problem before retrying. --

Re: [9fans] Foundation new releases question

2021-04-01 Thread Lucio De Re
e. There, it's been said. This seems to be the place, at least for now, where my fears will be allayed or solidified. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tc472e4a0c0b6f084-Mc2c17a3454be4b4912515379 Delivery

Re: [9fans] problem with installing plan9 from USB disk image

2021-03-28 Thread Lucio De Re
nstructions are meant to be executed. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4a54d17e4c0f6c20-M86e755bfbbbfaa4b78f516bc Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] problem with installing plan9 from USB disk image

2021-03-26 Thread Lucio De Re
form shop shelves even here in Africa. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4a54d17e4c0f6c20-M5e903e8ef9f873d4aa412a0c Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] problem with installing plan9 from USB disk image

2021-03-26 Thread Lucio De Re
drive) will be straightforward even for a Windows user. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4a54d17e4c0f6c20-Mbc6421c02fd8271a4595dd12 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] Olimex: these guys are keen electronic engineers.

2021-02-24 Thread Lucio De Re
I have no doubt that they will find what they seek, or cope with something near enough. Let me ponder this, see what further suggestions may come from our not-quite-OSS community. Lucio. On 2/24/21, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: >> You could recommend the Plan 9 RISC-V

Re: [9fans] Olimex: these guys are keen electronic engineers.

2021-02-24 Thread Lucio De Re
pposite direction. But I think I can find a way. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tef717f57ede82d4f-M336ced25c8d446f6b81279e1 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] Olimex: these guys are keen electronic engineers.

2021-02-23 Thread Lucio De Re
I think these guys operate in a rarefied atmosphere of custom design and they have a working formula. I wish I could contribute in a significant way to their success. I have a long wish list revolving around their products and philosophy, just not the funds. Lucio.

[9fans] Olimex: these guys are keen electronic engineers.

2021-02-23 Thread Lucio De Re
e-got-samples-of-the-new-esp32-c3-module-and-it-is-only-13x17-mm/ >From there, many recent and less recent developments can be discovered. They have a neat catalogue and apply pretty good QC. For those in the EU, they operate from Bulgaria. Their Englis

Re: [9fans] patches from 9front

2021-02-13 Thread Lucio De Re
greater functionality or merely cosmetic, irrelevant decorations. That's all that I believe needs saying, the details will make for interesting archeology, a few hundred years, if that many, from now. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] patches from 9front

2021-02-12 Thread Lucio De Re
ant to, though, nor do I want to spend more time on work others have already done. Is that an unreasonable desire? Should I simply feel privileged that I have been able to play with a pointless Plan 9 network, throw away twenty-odd years of Plan 9 experience and simply cross over to the Dar

Re: [9fans] patches from 9front

2021-02-11 Thread Lucio De Re
is a responsibility that needs community agreement, even when guided by a "foundation". I think what has kept Plan 9 ticking for the past 25 years or more, is that this community is small enough to keep connected to the "product" in its more abstract sense. Whatever that sense

Re: [9fans] patches from 9front

2021-02-10 Thread Lucio De Re
ed and laying down a project path to achieve this objective? Could there be much smaller portions of such an objective that could be progressively achieved in a distributed, centrally managed manner? Lucio -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/

Re: [9fans] patches from 9front

2021-02-09 Thread Lucio De Re
he changes and actually getting the outcome approved. I would aim at a well documented plan of attack, maybe the community (this community) would be willing, certainly able, to help. Github, perhaps? Lucio. PS: You don't have to succeed immediately, real

Re: [9fans] patches from 9front

2021-02-09 Thread Lucio De Re
the task of tracking "branches" as would apply in this complex case. Perhaps I can recommend isolating bug fixes as distinct from adding features, but where does one draw the line? Best of luck, if you intend to proceed. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Perm

Re: [9fans] authoritative source for u9fs?

2021-01-27 Thread Lucio De Re
No the source code differences are pretty vast as well, although right now I couldn't tell you what the main theme of the changes might be. Lucio. On 1/27/21, Ethan Gardener wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2021, at 5:10 AM, Lucio De Re wrote: >> >> PS: The new executable seems no

Re: [9fans] authoritative source for u9fs?

2021-01-24 Thread Lucio De Re
en just to cope with this year's #ifdefs or feature defines. > Under NetBSD 9.1, I needed to add -D_NETBSD_SOURCE to get rid of warnings for undefined initgroups() and ruserok(). The compiler seem to recommend getgroups() and cuserid() as alternatives. I'm not sure how best to deal with

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

2021-01-18 Thread Lucio De Re
ter key or the tiny backspace, so that isn't quite the keyboard layout I would choose. Sometimes I wish we'd stuck to the clunky original IBM 3270-style keyboard... Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fa

Re: [9fans] netsurf or opossum

2021-01-07 Thread Lucio De Re
I can't find opossum by simple google, that's as much as I can contribute. Possum seems to be a web library, so I can't comment, at least not yet. Lucio, On 1/7/21, kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote: > I got now rwo new web browsers which can do css and/or js on my > 9fron

Re: [9fans] Raw ethernet on 9vx

2020-12-09 Thread Lucio De Re
"ip link ..." can optionally set or select the ethernet address, which is indeed 48 bits (6 bytes) long. I can see how that may be linked to the DHCP failure, but only as an educated guess. Lucio. On 12/9/20, remyw...@cs.washington.edu wrote: > Sorry, I should have quoted th

Re: [9fans] Raw ethernet on 9vx

2020-12-09 Thread Lucio De Re
ating tap devices for VMs, in the new lingo (or in the old) even though my TCP/IP experience goes back to 1990. But then I think the RFCs at that stage were still below one thousand. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T84

Re: [9fans] Raw ethernet on 9vx

2020-12-07 Thread Lucio De Re
On list, please, Devon and Remy. I'd also like to get 9VX working. Lucio. On 12/8/20, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: > Ah, neat. David's repo seems more up to date. > > Linux has undergone a few network subsystem and tool revelations in the > intervening decade, so ma

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