[9fans] TeX and LaTeX: corrected version

2010-08-19 Thread tlaronde
Hello, I have corrected the blunder in kerTeX preventing the use of argv[0] as the name of the format to load (hence 'latex' was still loading plain tex). Only kertex_T_0.7.0.1 has been changed. The README/LISEZ.MOI files have been updated too. The instructions drive you from downloading to a

[9fans] TeX: need feedback

2010-04-26 Thread tlaronde
Hello, For the moment, I had only one feedback from James Chapman (OK once the trailing space in $(uname) result was handled. I would like to have more, specially on two points: 1) Non i386 arch. 2) LaTeX OK. The time to finish cleaning and adapting dvips(1) in kerTeX, if you have a working

Re: [9fans] TeX: need feedback

2010-04-26 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:29 AM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: Hello, For the moment, I had only one feedback from James Chapman (OK once the trailing space in $(uname) result was handled. I would like to have more, specially on two points: 1) Non i386 arch. 2) LaTeX OK. The time to

[9fans] TeX it!

2010-04-23 Thread tlaronde
Finally (english page): http://www.kergis.com/en/kertex.html and french page: http://www.kergis.com/kertex.html If I have correctly written the doc, enough said... -- Thierry Laronde tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com http://www.kergis.com/ Key fingerprint = 0FF7

Re: [9fans] TeX it!

2010-04-23 Thread James Chapman
Hi, I downloaded the four files and failed almost immediately. What am I doing wrong? James Transcript below: term% ls kertex_M kertex_T knuth risk_comp term% ape/psh # cd kertex_M # ../risk_comp/sys/posix/sh/rkconfig - config pathname /usr/james/tex/kertex_M/conf/KERTEX_M entered in cache -

Re: [9fans] TeX it!

2010-04-23 Thread tlaronde
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 04:09:42PM +0300, James Chapman wrote: Hi, # cd kertex_M # ../risk_comp/sys/posix/sh/rkconfig - config pathname /usr/james/tex/kertex_M/conf/KERTEX_M entered in cache - config pathname /usr/james/tex/risk_comp//sys/posix/lib/rkcomp entered in cache - Sourcing

Re: [9fans] TeX it!

2010-04-23 Thread James Chapman
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 4:23 PM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: It takes M_default when it should take M_plan9. What gives you (under ape): uname -s? # uname -s Plan9

Re: [9fans] TeX it!

2010-04-23 Thread tlaronde
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 04:28:32PM +0300, James Chapman wrote: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 4:23 PM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: It takes M_default when it should take M_plan9. What gives you (under ape): uname -s? # uname -s Plan9 Can you send me---offlist---the result of stderr with:

Re: [9fans] TeX it!

2010-04-23 Thread tlaronde
In the case of James, uname gave Plan9 , with a trailing space. I have not that on my Plan9, but for what is worth I have published a patched risk_comp that removes leading and trailing blanks (since I replace blanks with '_', the name became plan9_, and there is no parameters file for this...;)

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-18 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
Hi I'm aware of XeTeX (I had mentioned XeLaTeX in an earlier thread), and yes, I understand one wouldn't be looking for identity with what other platforms support. I agree that one shouldn't be looking to ape, but rather to provide the same or more functionality in a better way. Perhaps I'll be

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-17 Thread Joel C. Salomon
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Karljurgen Feuerherm kfeuerh...@wlu.ca wrote: It occurred to me that a profitable thing to do here would be to mention some things that would be nice to see in a new improved TeX... I believe bidirectional was mentioned already. The other thing that is

[9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread tlaronde
So it compiles without ado under Plan9! And it's pure C89 (POSIX is just for the framework, not for the code: I have removed unneeded dependencies). And it's all the latest versions of the programs. So some numbers: - You will need to download a bundle of 4 chunks (I will put all on

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Jacob Todd
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 01:57:56PM +0200, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: ... Nice work. Can't wait to try it. -- I am a man who does not exist for others. pgp5W3AtIaNFY.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread David Leimbach
Nice work! On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:57 AM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: So it compiles without ado under Plan9! And it's pure C89 (POSIX is just for the framework, not for the code: I have removed unneeded dependencies). And it's all the latest versions of the programs. So some numbers:

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Alexander Sychev
Hello! Congratulations! Have you any plans to adapt the TeX for UTF-8 input? On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:57:56 +0400, tlaro...@polynum.com tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: So it compiles without ado under Plan9! And it's pure C89 (POSIX is just for the framework, not for the code: I have removed

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread James Chapman
LaTeX does too. I have used it with a recent version of TeX Live to get greek and mathematical symbols in verbatim code listings. James On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Karljurgen Feuerherm kfeuerh...@wlu.ca wrote: XeTeX/XeLaTeX do this, I believe... Perhaps they can be ported at some point?

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Alexander Sychev
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:07:14 +0400, Karljurgen Feuerherm kfeuerh...@wlu.ca wrote: XeTeX/XeLaTeX do this, I believe... Perhaps they can be ported at some point? IFAIK, XeTeX/XeLaTeX based on C++ code. K Karljürgen G. Feuerherm, PhD Department of Archaeology and Classical Studies

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
1. IFAIK? Can't find that anywhere... 2. Is C++ a problem? Not supported by Plan9? K Alexander Sychev santu...@gmail.com 16/04/2010 10:27:36 am On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:07:14 +0400, Karljurgen Feuerherm kfeuerh...@wlu.ca wrote: XeTeX/XeLaTeX do this, I believe... Perhaps they can be

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread erik quanstrom
2. Is C++ a problem? Not supported by Plan9? not supported by the plan 9 compilers. - erik

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Patrick Kelly
From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of Karljurgen Feuerherm Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:20 PM To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Subject: Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah! 1. IFAIK? Can't find that anywhere... 2. Is C++ a problem? Not supported by Plan9

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Jack Johnson
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Patrick Kelly kameo76...@gmail.com wrote: Object-Orientation reduces static provability. True (or true enough)? Not to engender a flame war, but my gut says there must be some Eiffel, Smalltalk, and LISP folk out there who are big on provability, but I can

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
This doesn't make much sense to me. Object-orientation in itself is simply another level of data abstraction. And for the rest, I think provability is more theoretical than practical, other than the most trivial programmes. I'm beginning to get the impression (or perhaps more accurately am

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread erik quanstrom
I'm beginning to get the impression (or perhaps more accurately am increasingly getting the impression) that the plan9 community is reactionary rather than progressive... not a good characteristic if one is trying to make advances in comparison with one's predecessors... i think the plan 9

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
One question. Anyone tried get LaTeX on this TeX port? What are the missing pieces to make it run on it? On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 7:17 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: I'm beginning to get the impression (or perhaps more accurately am increasingly getting the impression) that the

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Patrick Kelly
: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:05 PM To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Subject: Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah! On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Patrick Kelly kameo76...@gmail.com wrote: Object-Orientation reduces static provability. True (or true enough)? Not to engender a flame war, but my gut

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Joel C. Salomon
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Alexander Sychev santu...@gmail.com wrote: IFAIK,  XeTeX/XeLaTeX based on C++ code. XeTeX itself is based on patches to Knuth's WEB source code for TeX. It's the PDF-producing section (xdvipdf or some such) that's written using a C++ library for handling PDF.

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread tlaronde
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 07:46:08PM +0200, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: One question. Anyone tried get LaTeX on this TeX port? What are the missing pieces to make it run on it? I will release/publish the things on Monday I think. In theory, if LaTeX is still a set of macros, it should work

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Patrick Kelly
From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of Karljurgen Feuerherm Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:11 PM To: 'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs' Subject: Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah! This doesn't make much sense to me. Object-orientation in itself is simply another

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
Ok--so it's agreed that it's not OO that's the problem, it's the users, then, who don't know which tool to use when. Not at all the same thing. And to be pedantic, since you give this example, the sun does revolve around the earth, so long as you choose the earth as your point of reference...

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Joseph Stewart
Sorry to be a grouch, but can we change this thread to OO instead of the advertised TeX:hurrah! thread? I'm interested in the TeX news, but not so interested in the OO/language debate that no doubt will go on for a while... Thanks! -joe On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Karljurgen Feuerherm

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Patrick Kelly
From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of Karljurgen Feuerherm Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 2:15 PM To: 'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs' Subject: Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah! Ok--so it's agreed that it's not OO that's the problem, it's the users, then, who

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread James Chapman
This page and its links maybe be interesting for understanding the relationship between latex and tex: http://www.tug.org/levels.html In my area of computer science all publications are written in latex and for a particular conference/journal a latex class or style file (I must admit to not

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
Thanks for this. And yes, indeed, a step in the right direction! Best K James Chapman ja...@cs.ioc.ee 16/04/2010 2:37:20 pm This page and its links maybe be interesting for understanding the relationship between latex and tex: http://www.tug.org/levels.html In my area of computer

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
It occurred to me that a profitable thing to do here would be to mention some things that would be nice to see in a new improved TeX... I believe bidirectional was mentioned already. The other thing that is essential for folk like me is complete Unicode compatibility [Yes, I know. UTC has

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Jorden M
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Karljurgen Feuerherm kfeuerh...@wlu.ca wrote: It occurred to me that a profitable thing to do here would be to mention some things that would be nice to see in a new improved TeX... I believe bidirectional was mentioned already. The other thing that is

[9fans] TeX: TRIP/TRAP passed so almost here

2010-04-09 Thread tlaronde
Hello, Just for the ones wondering what the status of the work on TeX is: METAFONT and TeX pass the (resp.) TRAP, TRIP test---this means not only mf and tex in diverse incarnations, but also a bunch of auxiliary tools. I have 4 more auxiliary to add and I will publish the first release---without

[9fans] TeX for Plan9: late but not dead

2010-01-31 Thread tlaronde
Hello, Just a note since I'm late vs my initial time frame schedule (I'm still busy doint something else [aka work that makes me eat]). But it is not dropped, neither dead (the matrix---the compilation framework---is already here, and I have done in december enough to know what to do and to be

[9fans] TeX for Plan 9: a point

2009-12-22 Thread tlaronde
Hello, Note (inessential at the moment): the result will be called KerTeX and not CorTeX since there is a package (one file...) called CorTeX on CTAN. But KerTeX: take care of the TeX kernel! will do... Unless one really really wants to port the current TeX distribution state, just wait: I'm

Re: [9fans] TeX for Plan 9: a point

2009-12-22 Thread Russ Cox
I understand wanting to update TeX, but this seems like a step backward. The current texmf iso, though old, provides LaTeX and most of the common formatting packages. It seems like this bare-bones version would be less functional than what's already available. In particular, I expect that most

Re: [9fans] TeX for Plan 9: a point

2009-12-22 Thread tlaronde
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 11:44:14AM -0500, Jorden Mauro wrote: I know you don't plan on supporting LaTeX, but would any of these tools help in porting that? Or is the latex program too GNUified? As far as I know, LaTeX is not supposed to be a TeX version, but a set of macros. So, as long as

Re: [9fans] TeX for Plan 9: a point

2009-12-22 Thread tlaronde
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:14:56PM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote: Since the conversion: dvi - ps will be provided, ps - pdf can be done via gs(1). (That's what I already do, including EPS figures, for example generated by MetaPost.) you'll have to fix gs to get that. gs has been crashing

Re: [9fans] tex

2009-12-09 Thread Rudolf Sykora
Although it is no TeX I would like to suggest ``lout'', a lightweight (2 MB) document formatting system written in ANSI C by Jeffrey H. Kingston. [0] Hello. I have had a look at lout and have printed its user guide. I think it doesn't understand utf. Otherwise it seems to be highly inspired by

[9fans] tex

2009-12-08 Thread Steve Simon
somone was working on a modern port of TeX to plan9. did this work out? I would like to update my installation as I think I may be using LaTeX before long. -Steve

Re: [9fans] tex

2009-12-08 Thread Jason Catena
I would like to update my installation as I think I may be using LaTeX before long. This doesn't address your issue /per se/, but if you'll indulge me, I'll ramble a bit about LaTeX and text files. For the past three years I used LaTeX for everything, including papers suitable for publishing.

Re: [9fans] tex

2009-12-08 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: somone was working on a modern port of TeX to plan9. did this work out? I would like to update my installation as I think I may be using LaTeX before long. I gave it a go but it wore me out. The pdflatex guys just destroyed

Re: [9fans] tex

2009-12-08 Thread Frederik Caulier
Hello 9fans@ Although it is no TeX I would like to suggest ``lout'', a lightweight (2 MB) document formatting system written in ANSI C by Jeffrey H. Kingston. [0] Quotation from Wikipedia: ``It reads a high-level description of a document similar in style to LaTeX and produces a PostScript file

Re: [9fans] tex

2009-12-08 Thread ron minnich
But the documentation makes no sense! Its main disadvantages are that it can only produce PostScript and there is no easy way to get XML or any other output format (apart from plain text). ...disadvantage ... no ... XML ... I mean, what's the disadvantage here :-) ron

[9fans] tex on plan 9

2009-10-05 Thread ron minnich
I'm just now looking at tex on plan 9 and finding that a 14-year old release is not that useful with the newer packages. Has anyone tried newer stuff at all? thanks ron

Re: [9fans] tex on plan 9

2009-10-05 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Oct 5 20:18:06 EDT 2009, rminn...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just now looking at tex on plan 9 and finding that a 14-year old release is not that useful with the newer packages. Has anyone tried newer stuff at all? i just hate how the rush to use every last new feature leads to things like

Re: [9fans] tex on plan 9

2009-10-05 Thread Jason Catena
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 19:40, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Mon Oct  5 20:18:06 EDT 2009, rminn...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just now looking at tex on plan 9 and finding that a 14-year old release is not that useful with the newer packages. Has anyone tried newer stuff at all?

Re: [9fans] tex on plan 9

2009-10-05 Thread erik quanstrom
I last built the C version of TeX quite some time ago. At the time, it was quite portable. Imagine my surprise to go to the new stuff and find ... Makefile.in ... configure. I had no idea. So much for a new port :-) modern tex reminds me of vger from star trek. so much encrusting junk,

Re: [9fans] tex on plan 9

2009-10-05 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:40 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: i just hate how the rush to use every last new feature leads to things like gnu configure and autotools, and ancient warhorses like tex no longer running. I last built the C version of TeX quite some time ago. At the

Re: [9fans] tex on plan 9

2009-10-05 Thread ron minnich
OK, found this: http://www.math.uni.wroc.pl/~hebisch/tex/ 7 years old but 7 years newer than the plan 9 version. I have mailed the author to see how it is going. compiles (quickly!) and runs under ape. ron

Re: [9fans] TeX - Plan 9 model

2008-03-12 Thread lucio
The .texi file is not actually TeX. [ ... ] Sorry for not being helpful, You were, pity about the delay. It's nice to have one's suspicions confirmed. ++L

Re: [9fans] TeX - Plan 9 model

2008-03-12 Thread Jeff Sickel
I'd highly recommend going the pdftex route instead http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/) . Pdftex generates much more compatible PDF files that the dvips route--aka, dvips output prints to paper fine, looks horrid on most PDF viewers. Now if I could only get more time in the day--as

Re: [9fans] TeX - Plan 9 model

2008-03-12 Thread Russ Cox
I'd highly recommend going the pdftex route instead http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/) . Pdftex generates much more compatible PDF files that the dvips route--aka, dvips output prints to paper fine, looks horrid on most PDF viewers. Whether the files generated by dvips look okay

Re: [9fans] TeX - Plan 9 model

2008-03-11 Thread erik quanstrom
Now I need to figure out how to produce PS from the bdf/doc directory. There is nothing obvious about TeX, so I'm begging for the few commands that ought to do the job, looking at /rc/bin/tex and friends give me no hint. Sorry to be so dense. ++L dvips doesn't work? - erik

Re: [9fans] TeX - Plan 9 model

2008-03-11 Thread lucio
eofminooka; tex hello.tex This is TeX, Version 3.14159 (Web2C 7.2) Works as documented. But the same with, say, core.texi, gives me an error, presumably because the texinfo.tex macros are not preloaded. So I need some advice on how to combine the two (or more) documents. The texi2dvi script