Re: [AFMUG] Puerto Rico Earthquake

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Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

I thought the discussion a year or two ago was that it would be a forum / email list hybrid? > On Jan 7, 2020, at 12:54 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: > > I don’t use the book of face so I’m unfamiliar. > > I think wispa should offer every opportunity for us to communicate and not > limit it to ju

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

yes > On Jan 7, 2020, at 6:11 AM, Matt Hoppes > wrote: > > I thought the discussion a year or two ago was that it would be a forum / > email list hybrid? > > On Jan 7, 2020, at 12:54 AM, Sean Heskett > wrote: > >> I don’t use the book of face so I’m unfamiliar. >>

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

When a couple non-WISPA FB groups became popular, WISPA mailing list traffic plummeted. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Sean Heskett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

I agree, I thought they were suppose to have a method to do both at the same time? i.e. you can register a account on the forum and then you can tell it to join you to a mailing list and you would get all of the post via mailing list. Guess not? Really sucks. Who has time to search or watch

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

Yep. While I really thing that the WISPA mailing lists are important, moving it to a forum and discontinuing mailing list would be a bad idea for WISPA. Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

I didn't look to see what mailing list this was on.. AFMUG this should be voiced on the WISPA Mailing lists... no one here will do anything about it, but voicing it there will voice to those who can do something. On 1/7/20 6:11 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: I thought the discussion a year or two

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

Multiple WISPA board members have commented in this thread. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:47

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

I understand that... but this is like having a meeting, then going out to the parking lot and complaining maybe some people that were involved in the meeting are in the parking lot but it's not the official meeting place staffed by folks in an official capacity. Parking lot meetings ar

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

It doesn't seem like members@ is being used much anyways. It's so low traffic, that I thought I got removed for some reason. At least we still have AFMUG, amirite? On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:45 AM Dennis Burgess via AF wrote: > Yep. While I really thing that the WISPA mailing lists are impor

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

IMHO, projects should have goals, otherwise they are change for change sake. One needs to ask, what problem does this solve? It is popular to categorize people as either conservative or progressive, which I think is false. Most people are both. They want to fix what’s broke, and keep wh

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

Most everything g has moved over to the various Facebook sites. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:00 AM, Josh Baird wrote: > >  > It doesn't seem like members@ is being used much anyways. It's so low > traffic, th

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

Until they pry the domain from my cold dead hands... From: Josh Baird Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 6:59 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list It doesn't seem like members@ is being used much anyways. It's so low traffic, that I thought I got removed f

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

Its a mellinal thingy or how ever you say it :) On 1/6/20 11:20 PM, Daniel White wrote: Yes it is going away to a forum.  Personally not a fan myself but demand seems to be more for forums than the mailing lists.  Will also make some of the committee work that happens easier so I have been tol

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

"Would a forum have done as well?" If you define Facebook groups as a forum, the answer is yes. The Facebook groups and pages did respond well to the issue. The difference between AFMUG and the others is that Forrest's expertise in the matter was on AFMUG. - Mike Hammett Intellige

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

this is true. makes it easier to read them :) - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list When a couple non-WISPA FB groups became popular, WISPA mailing list tr

[AFMUG] Verizon Fiber

Has anyone had success in getting reasonably priced transport or transit from Verizon? There is a location I'd like to service that does not have a microwave shot in, but does have Verizon fiber on the pole just feet from the service location. To date I've been unsuccessful in getting someon

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

Facebook groups are not forums... As much as I dislike forums, I must admit, I dislike facebook groups much more (although in a different way) On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:07 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > "Would a forum have done as well?" > > > If you define Facebook groups as a forum, the answer is ye

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

There's a different tone on Facebook IMO.  People are not as self policing.  That's just an observation.  I have no explanation for this behavior. On 1/7/2020 10:21 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: Facebook groups are not forums... As much as I dislike forums, I must admit, I dislike facebook groups

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

I hate all things FB unless I am working as a contractor building stuff for them. Then I love FB. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:21 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list Facebook groups are not forums... As much as I dislike f

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

Given that many (in fact most) WISPs are very small businesses, there has always been a tendency in WISPA from the early days not to view ourselves as serious businesses, but more of a hobby, side gig, or social network. That’s also a view popular in some “new economy” startups. That’s fine

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Fiber

Are you sure it's Verizon fiber? Or a Verizon cell site? I think in many cases Verizon may want a cell site in a certain location, they get a tower leasing company to build a tower, then they get someone like CenturyLink that has a nearby fiber backbone to run fiber to the tower. If that's the c

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

There definitely is a different tone, it seems like FB attracts a different sort of people than a mailing list, in general (as do forums). A lot of the same people are on all three, but the most active ones tend to be different. But my other problem with Facebook groups is that they seem to be mos

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Fiber

Around here all the Verizon and ATT DAS sites use fiber to connect back to the actual cell site. They use the fiber to carry the IF in between. bp On 1/7/2020 8:22 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Are you sure it's Verizon fiber? Or a Verizon cell site? I think in many cases Verizon may want a cell si

Re: [AFMUG] Puerto Rico Earthquake

Gino, Glad to hear for you and that you are all right. Keep us posted if things change or you need anything. -Sean On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 3:34 AM Gino A. Villarini wrote: > Thanks guys, all is good. We just had another one at 4:424 am 6.5 scale… > > > > *Gino* > *Villarini *Founder/Presiden

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

It does surprise me that there are people that don't know how to use Facebook. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mathew Howard" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [AFMUG] Puerto Rico Earthquake

Abrazos y rezos enviados Jaime Solorza On Tue, Jan 7, 2020, 3:34 AM Gino A. Villarini wrote: > Thanks guys, all is good. We just had another one at 4:424 am 6.5 scale… > > > > *Gino* > *Villarini *Founder/President > @gvillarini > t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 > m: > [image: aeronet-logo]

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

I haven’t had a Facebook account since ~2009 and I will never have one again. #SurveillanceCapitalism On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:45 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > It does surprise me that there are people that don't know how to use > Facebook. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Soluti

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

Other than stalking old girl friends, is there any other use? From: Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:44 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list It does surprise me that there are people that don't know how to use Facebook. - Mike Hammet

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

I actually use it for work related stuff more than personal. That is really the main reason I still have Facebook. On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 12:10 PM wrote: > Other than stalking old girl friends, is there any other use? > > *From:* Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:44 AM > *To:* A

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Fiber

OneFiber is the company building out the Verizon fiber typically for their cell sites and the business services. I was working on some of their projects in Ohio last year. I think it's a separate entity within Verizon (old MCI Worldcom group/Verizon Business?) so maybe try those contacts and see wh

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

Well, I suppose those old girlfriends that you're stalking must be using it for something... On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:10 AM wrote: > Other than stalking old girl friends, is there any other use? > > *From:* Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:44 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Use

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

On 1/7/20 5:44 AM, Dennis Burgess via AF wrote: Yep.   While I really thing that the WISPA mailing lists are important, moving it to a forum and discontinuing mailing list would be a bad idea for WISPA. I didn't renew my WISPA membership the last time it came up. The main value to me was t

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

Part of the problem perhaps is that Facebook really sucks in a web browser. Which I think is intentional, they get lots more data about you if you install the app. FB is not alone, everyone wants to claim some real estate on your phone by installing their app. Sorry, I’m reluctant to insta

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

Stalking potential customers. On 1/7/20 12:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Other than stalking old girl friends, is there any other use? *From:* Mike Hammett *Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:44 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list It does surprise me

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Fiber

It's definitely Verizon fiber (looked on the line on the pole). This is not FIOS. On 1/7/20 11:22 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Are you sure it's Verizon fiber? Or a Verizon cell site? I think in many cases Verizon may want a cell site in a certain location, they get a tower leasing company to build

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Fiber

Verizon can be tough because there are dozens of companies under the umbrella of the VZW stock ticker.  It's hard to know if it's the Verizon LEC, Verizon Wireless, Verizon Business, etc. Then when you get the right person they're usually disinterested. I have had quotes from Verizon, yes.  Ne

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Fiber

One Fiber is an internal Verizon project name, not a division of the company but rather the exact opposite designed to maximize use of existing capacity by sharing it among divisions. Vzn used to run different cables for everything, now any Verizon service can or will be provisioned over fiber in

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Fiber

FWIW: Matt is near Verizon ILEC space. It could be any of the Verizon entities. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

i actually use it both places. works fine for me desktop or mobile. i use it to network quite a bit. have gotten a lot of business of it. - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

We are really putting the cart w before the horse here huh?  Changing to the new association management platform was a necessity and there is a lot of additional functionality that forums will enable for the WISPA committees as an example. I'm an anti-forum guy myself... but when it wa

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

I was really just pushing back on the idea that we need to do something because all the cool kids are hanging out on Facebook now. From: AF On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 4:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list We ar

Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

This list traffic stays pretty steady. And the number of members stay pretty steady too. From: Daniel White Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 3:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list We are really putting the cart w before the horse here huh?

[AFMUG] More Part 101 Noise

Just had another link in by Chicago lose modulation last night. At Midnight last night, it took our link down completely, They must have been playing with power/channel because now it's just running at half modulation in 1 direction. At least it's not the direction most traffic goes. This i

Re: [AFMUG] More Part 101 Noise

So what do you do at that point? > On Jan 7, 2020, at 6:52 PM, Nate Burke wrote: > > Just had another link in by Chicago lose modulation last night. At Midnight > last night, it took our link down completely, They must have been playing > with power/channel because now it's just running at ha

Re: [AFMUG] More Part 101 Noise

On one of them I had to move the dish around on the roof of the building until I found a spot where it was shielded from the noise by the elevator penthouse, but just peek around enough to see our other end. On 1/7/2020 5:58 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: So what do you do at that point? On Jan 7, 2

Re: [AFMUG] More Part 101 Noise

Wouldn’t the FCC have something to say about them interfering with a licensed link? Or can I just throw links up silly billy? > On Jan 7, 2020, at 7:03 PM, Nate Burke wrote: > > On one of them I had to move the dish around on the roof of the building > until I found a spot where it was shield

Re: [AFMUG] More Part 101 Noise

There is probably somebody you can hire to track it down. It is probably expensive. I wonder if you can send the bill to the perpetrator if you find them and they are actually in violation of their license. I wonder, do the carriers like AT&T and Verizon have their own microwave SWAT teams, they

Re: [AFMUG] More Part 101 Noise

Nate, send me the link call signs and I’ll see if I can find the issue. Have you ever done a fade test during normal operation? This should be done on every hop during implementation to establish a noise baseline. Do you have access to a spectrum analyzer? Tim Sent from my iPad > On Jan 7, 2

Re: [AFMUG] More Part 101 Noise

Yes. Verizon has their own RF swat team. We’ve been swatted for running legally but a 700mhz system too close to their tower that it over powered one of their receivers. > On Jan 7, 2020, at 7:14 PM, Tim Hardy wrote: > > Nate, send me the link call signs and I’ll see if I can find the issue.

Re: [AFMUG] More Part 101 Noise

Has it been windy lately? We personally had a dish mounted on a pipe that didn’t have a set screw (installer mistake) and on a windy day it rotated almost 90*. Luckily it was in a very rural area so it didn’t interfere, but around Chicago it would have caused lots of issues. If the operator isn’

Re: [AFMUG] More Part 101 Noise

Need to strap one of those SAF thingies to a drone. From: AF On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:18 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More Part 101 Noise Has it been windy lately? We personally had a dish mounted on a pipe that didn’t

Re: [AFMUG] More Part 101 Noise

Won’t do you much good without some kind of directional horn or antenna. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 7, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > >  > Need to strap one of those SAF thingies to a drone. > > From: AF On Behalf Of Sean Heskett > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:18 PM > To: AnimalF

Re: [AFMUG] More Part 101 Noise

Yes Verizon and AT&T both have RF teams equipped with COWs they deploy to troubleshot issues. Big issue currently with new cellular provider across border interfering with their towers within two miles from border. I saw them working near my home for about two weeks setting up more antennas on exi

Re: [AFMUG] More Part 101 Noise

You mean we’re spending all that money on “the wall” and it doesn’t block RF? From: AF On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More Part 101 Noise Yes Verizon and AT&T both have RF teams equipped with COWs