Re: [AFMUG] PTP-820S

2014-10-14 Thread Matt Jenkins via Af
I really like the looks of the products too. I hope they post spec sheets soon. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/13/2014 10:25 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: I like the specs. What's the waveguide interface, Remec? But what about

Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?

2014-10-14 Thread Matt Jenkins via Af
Do you have the radios something like 20ft of vertical separation to make this work? if they are too close together wouldn't the tx interfere with the rx of the link next to it shooting the same direction? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/13/2014 11:58 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?

2014-10-14 Thread Josh Reynolds via Af
We have about 5 feet of horizontal separation on a flat roof. Data rates are max, ~3 mile shot. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/14/2014 12:25 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote: Do you have the radios something like 20ft of

Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?

2014-10-14 Thread Eric Kuhnke via Af
Yes, 5 on one site, but aimed in different directions. Do you have two af24 pairs in parallel, FDD, each using the full 200 MHz, linking two sites on exactly the same azimuth and elevation? On Oct 13, 2014 11:58 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That's incorrect. You have link 1 on

Re: [AFMUG] VoIP Termination Providers

2014-10-14 Thread Craig Schmaderer via Af
+1 On Oct 13, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Charles Boening via Af af@afmug.com wrote: SIP Routes has been great for us. I know a couple other providers using SIP Routes. They seem very happy as well. We also use Century Link. Charlie -Original Message- From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] TEST

2014-10-14 Thread Chuck McCown via Af
Put a ball of foil on your rabbit ears. From: Willi Gruber via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] TEST What is going on? I am not receiving anything.

[AFMUG] Downtilt tool

2014-10-14 Thread Paul McCall via Af
We have upgraded a bunch of towers to ePMP (2.4) are finding we are going to really be more exacting with our downtilts to avoid spectrum overlap... more than we did with 100 series, because of the SNR requirements. I assume 2.4 450 would have similar requirements. So, I want to map out my

Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbased system

2014-10-14 Thread Steve Utick via Af
The PTP450's are shipping now, we got ours last week. On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Are they shipping product, or just datasheets and Powerpoints? Is it like Mimosa, and Cambium PTP450, announced but not seen in the wild? Are objects in mirror

Re: [AFMUG] 477 deadline

2014-10-14 Thread Ken Hohhof via Af
I believe Steve Coran posted something (probably over at the WISPA list) about November. I think it was based on ~2 weeks more addressing the mystery issue, and then 2 weeks notice for filers. It would be nice if they were a little more transparent about the issue/incident/anomaly. Was the

Re: [AFMUG] TEST

2014-10-14 Thread That One Guy via Af
is this the permanent state of the list? On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:56 AM, James Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Like this? [image: http://www.basketcasecomix.com/comics/2007-03-26-CXrabbit_ears.gif] *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via Af

Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbasedsystem

2014-10-14 Thread Ken Hohhof via Af
Cool, I couldn’t even find it on my reseller’s website. What frequency did you get, I assume probably 5 GHz? From: Steve Utick via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbasedsystem The PTP450's are

Re: [AFMUG] ubnt air select

2014-10-14 Thread Josh Reynolds via Af
It's not like a SCINGARS hop/10ms or anything. You can try pushing it till around 15/1500, but the biggest problem is that clients who drop association for whatever reason will have problems reconnectingif given only a short window to authenticate and sync. I hop I was fairly clear in what I

Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool

2014-10-14 Thread Chuck McCown via Af
Trig? Tangent? How far out do you want to focus the main lobe? Take the tower height, divided by that distance (both in the same units) and do the arctan of that. So if the tower was 200 feet, and you want to target a spot 2 miles away, arctan(200/10560)=1 degree From: Paul McCall via Af

Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool

2014-10-14 Thread Adam Moffett via Af
That's the method I've generally used. You can further calculate based on the vertical beamwidth where the outer edge of the -3db coverage circle would land, and where the inner edge would land. Then you can attempt to visualize it. I feel like somebody once linked to an online map tool

Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool

2014-10-14 Thread That One Guy via Af
arctan sounds like a villain from he-ma On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Trig? Tangent? How far out do you want to focus the main lobe? Take the tower height, divided by that distance (both in the same units) and do the arctan of that. So if the

Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool

2014-10-14 Thread Paul McCall via Af
Adam, That’s what I was thinking also. That would be handy From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool That's the method I've generally used. You can further calculate

Re: [AFMUG] PTP-820S

2014-10-14 Thread Bill Prince via Af
It's Ceregon, so I think the ODU is not Remec. We have not gotten pricing yet. I'm told it will be another week before we get details on pricing. bp On 10/13/2014 10:25 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: I like the specs. What's the waveguide interface, Remec? But what

Re: [AFMUG] PTP-820S

2014-10-14 Thread Jason McKemie via Af
You'll probably want a clean pair of pants to go with that pricing. On Tuesday, October 14, 2014, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It's Ceregon, so I think the ODU is not Remec. We have not gotten pricing yet. I'm told it will be another week before we get details on pricing. bp

Re: [AFMUG] Check out our TV add

2014-10-14 Thread Bill Prince via Af
De Nile is just a river in Egypt. bp On 10/13/2014 5:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: Did you guys make that video, or get it from a third party? It would be pretty easy to replace the audio voice over and sell it for English language markets thousands of Niles away from PR. On Oct 10,

Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbased system

2014-10-14 Thread Bill Prince via Af
We got ours last week. Putting up one link today. Worried about output Tx power. bp On 10/14/2014 7:29 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Are they shipping product, or just datasheets and Powerpoints? Is it like Mimosa, and Cambium PTP450, announced but not seen in the wild? Are objects in

Re: [AFMUG] PTP-820S

2014-10-14 Thread Jason Petrillo via Af
Bill, We have pricing as of last night and you are welcome to call me regardless of the condition of your pants. Jason From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

[AFMUG] Dual polarity omni

2014-10-14 Thread Glen Waldrop via Af
The tower that got taken out by the straight line wind was built with sectors expecting a decent load. It has around 25 folks on it, most of them 1Mb customers. Not exactly a return on my investment. I'm replacing 802.11g sectors with an 802.11n AP w/omni. Might regret it, but it is what I'm

Re: [AFMUG] Dual polarity omni

2014-10-14 Thread Mathew Howard via Af
I've got a couple of the ARC 5ghz omnis up... no problems with them, so far. I do have a couple of the 2.4ghz omnis sitting on the shelf too, quality seems quite good. I've used a few different brands of dual polarity omnis, and the only ones I've ever had any issues with were UBNT - that

Re: [AFMUG] Today's Job site

2014-10-14 Thread Mathew Howard via Af
I'm jealous... you're always at all these neat places while the rest of us are standing around in mud and rotten corn getting rained on. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jaime Solorza via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:51 AM To:

Re: [AFMUG] PTP-820S

2014-10-14 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
The 32W power consumption, -48 or +24 (I assume a DC-DC converter built into the PoE injector?), 2048QAM and 80MHz channel bandwidth are all very nice. I don't really care if it's OEM'd Ceragon. Here's what I don't like from the info I've been able to find so far. License key for this,

Re: [AFMUG] Downtilt tool

2014-10-14 Thread Jaime Solorza via Af
Teletronics had a cool utility for this Jaime Solorza On Oct 14, 2014 9:22 AM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Adam, That’s what I was thinking also. That would be handy *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, October 14,

[AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?

2014-10-14 Thread TJ Trout via Af
How do you go about placing aerial fiber on power poles and what is the normal fee structure? What license do you need or permits to be able to place aerial cable? Some type of franchise right? Any estimates on aerial fiber cost for labor,fees, materials etc?

Re: [AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?

2014-10-14 Thread Chuck McCown via Af
Many states regulate this. So you need to see what the rules are. The rules keep the power company from screwing you too much. You still get screwed. Much of this is determined by who owns the pole and if there is enough room on the pole for you. You will also have to pay for the the cost

Re: [AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?

2014-10-14 Thread Robbie Wright via Af
All over the board depending on your locality unfortunately. Some cities own the poles, some power companies own the poles, and other utilities own the poles. Find the poles you want to go on, get their ID numbers off each pole, and then contact each pole owner to get a contract. In our locality,

[AFMUG] AirFiber 5

2014-10-14 Thread Jaime Solorza via Af
Putting together a quote for a Cambium 23 GHz 6.64 mile link and considering a back up link using a 5 GHz solution, They need over 200MBps so was wondering if you guys that have deployed the AirFiber 5 are getting good speeds at over 6 miles. Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5

2014-10-14 Thread Jaime Solorza via Af
They have licenses for 23 GHz...very old gear in service with issues. They contacted Cambium and Cambium contacted us to assist with project. I know rain fade is affecting the link thus my recommendation for a back up frequency that is low cost. nothing firmed up yet. Jaime Solorza Wireless

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5

2014-10-14 Thread Jaime Solorza via Af
yep most years no rainthis year we had El Nino, La Nina, La Tia y mi abuela storms. lots of 23 GHz folks felt the pain. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 23Ghz is licensed and higher power than

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5

2014-10-14 Thread Mathew Howard via Af
ah, I was wondering why 23ghz, that makes sense if they already have the license. If you wanted to do even lower cost for a backup, 200mbps should be do-able over some of the new AC stuff too, like the RocketM5 AC PtP lite. It shouldn't be hard to get that sort of speed through 5ghz as long as

Re: [AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?

2014-10-14 Thread Carlos Alcantar via Af
Restoration can be quite expensive for underground. Some cities try and use your construction as there stop gap to fix there st’s. We’ve been asked to re pave and entire st and fix all the side walks for submitting to go 120 ft of underground from a vault to a pole. Things like that can kill

Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with ACbased system

2014-10-14 Thread Bill Prince via Af
PTP450 that is. Got the slave radio hung today. The master end still needs to be finalized on aiming; we only eye-balled the aim when we hung the master radio last week, so I am fairly surprised it came in this good. We're using a pair of MTI 24 panels (28 dBi), and the link is 8.49 miles.

Re: [AFMUG] ubnt air select

2014-10-14 Thread timothy steele via Af
5.5.10 opens the 5.1 band you might not need to hop if you upgrade firmware On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: s/SINCGARS ugh, no more emails for me today... throwing in the towel :/ Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS,

Re: [AFMUG] ubnt air select

2014-10-14 Thread That One Guy via Af
its amazing how long of a link you can make in 5.1 with a radio that the adjust eirp to regulation doesnt work in On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 9:21 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 5.5.10 opens the 5.1 band you might not need to hop if you upgrade firmware On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at

[AFMUG] Bitcoin can (theorerically) be very profitable

2014-10-14 Thread Jason McKemie via Af
http://www.coindesk.com/mit-bitcoin-trading-simulation-yields-profit-89-50-days/