Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

The whole point of their waveguide idea was to remove the jumper loss. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/19/2014 10:06 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Maybe RF Elements is onto something with their waveguide port radios, exten

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

What's your Backhaul strategy for having this many sites. How many hops do you get from fiber? With a ton of small sites, it seems like it would scale to an unmanageable level very quickly...? ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

+1. I’ve already hit CenturyLink’s fastest speeds with anemic little Rocket 5M’s and nothing special. Imagine what happens when the Rocket AC or Mimosa come out with their products. Those features target the urban market where which I’ve seen numbers like 84% of the population is and for th

Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?

Just buy some copper nuts like cyclones On Oct 19, 2014 7:58 PM, "Glen Waldrop via Af" wrote: > What he said. > > Just had a tower fall. Stainless steel bolts were still seized on the > sectors. Probably the only parts that were still together after the fall. > > We needed to adjust the downtilt

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

At least they are fast replacable ;-)). This products do not arrive before next year. Pricing is not clear. - GENIAS INTERNET -- www.genias.net -- Stefan Englhardt Email: s...@genias.net Dr. Gesslerstr. 20 D-93051 Re

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

I’m about to launch a 5 hop PowerBeam Backhaul at 100Mbps with a 150Mbps circuit. We test 3 hops and latency was less than 10ms average with TS-5’s between them. Finishing the next 2 on Tuesday or Wednesday. Been doing it for years so not sure of the management issue. We were in small areas

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Maybe RF Elements is onto something with their waveguide port radios, extend using low loss elliptical waveguide and put the radios inside a nice building or enclosure on the ground away from the lighting. From: Paul McCall via Af Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 4:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Fiber isn’t practice in urban areas and that would have me competing with the wireline boys that are there. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs con

Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?

What he said. Just had a tower fall. Stainless steel bolts were still seized on the sectors. Probably the only parts that were still together after the fall. We needed to adjust the downtilt later, but we didn't know how bad stainless locked up when we installed them. - Original Mes

Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?

There are no beans to spill, it's still just the 450. Now what would be great is if Cambium could get with Laird and tell them stop using stainless nuts on stainless bolts. The next time I find one of those MFer's seized up, I'm going to drive it out into a field and give it a couple rounds of

Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?

Gino, spill the 455 beans On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote: > They are setup with ruggedized and weather proof connectors too...We > actually got to see them at a UPS Logistics warehouse for Sprint...along > with a lot of other things. > > Regards, > Chuck > > On Sun, Oct

Re: [AFMUG] DFS issues

Craig, We have a bunch of the 5.2 APs P9 in the warehouse if you need any. Paul, PDMNet 772-564-6800 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House via Af Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 11:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] DFS issues We are sta

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Microcells normally have good SNR. Add 802.11AC into the mix and you have very good performance without the crappy latency hit. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/19/2014 05:27 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Then you miss o

Re: [AFMUG] Random thought

True. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/19/2014 04:31 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: When it comes to gain, there ain�t no free lunch. *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af *Sent:* Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Fiber is the future for most, but it won't be for all and the continued advancements in wireless will push off the need for it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via Af" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sun

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

You don't have to sync with other vendors or even your competition. It helps, though. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds via Af" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 4:28:18 PM Subject

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Then you miss out on the best performance. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Rory Conaway via Af" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 4:33:21 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Yes, I saw the spectrum analyzer from the client end as well. The past 24 hours of history. Not sure if it takes the client end into account when picking a channel. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynold

Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?

They are setup with ruggedized and weather proof connectors too...We actually got to see them at a UPS Logistics warehouse for Sprint...along with a lot of other things. Regards, Chuck On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 12:18 AM, timothy steele via Af wrote: > Got a fusion splicer so that would work way m

Re: [AFMUG] Random thought

When it comes to gain, there ain’t no free lunch. From: Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought The horn does have some modest advantages. Moving to a reflector would remove those advantages completely. Josh Reynolds, Ch

Re: [AFMUG] Random thought

The horn does have some modest advantages. Moving to a reflector would remove those advantages completely. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/19/2014 04:22 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Just leave the horn off and aim the h

Re: [AFMUG] Random thought

Just leave the horn off and aim the horn connection at a reflector. All the gain you want. Send me a radio and I will make a reflector holder for it. From: Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 2:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought I have been talking wit

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

RF will always require decent SNR, bandwidth and a path. No matter how advanced the radios get, they will be up against Nyquest and Shannon and Maxwell. And like many other industries, the bandwidth requirements and new products available to the customers will not stagnate either. I see

[AFMUG] FCC NOI for Cellular 24GHz (and a note about 5GHz...)

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/10/19/34/gigabit-cellular-networks-could-happen-with-24ghz-spectrum -- Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com

Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?

The mgsw-28240f is the same temp ratings as the mgsw-24160f but with 24 ports and 4x 10g ports. On Sunday, October 19, 2014, Louis Arsenault via Af wrote: > The 16 port one is hardened. We can expect it to survive better in a fan > vented enclosure. > > All the other sfp switches I have found a

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

For us, the biggest issue is the replacement cost of the 450. NOT the initial cost, that is what it is, but we are in the lightning capital of the world. Sometimes we can repair everything that gets hit and sometimes on a direct strike, we can’t repair any of it. On most towers, we deploy 5 G

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Ahh, difference of philosophies. I just don’t want my business dependent on competitors or single suppliers. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 2:27 PM To: Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons So i

Re: [AFMUG] ptp 450 timing

Ptp450 needs timing port not power port timing. You're going to have to run a sync wire. I recommend using the same sync receiver for both the timing and power port sync. This either means using a syncpipe deluxe, a syncbox 12, or cabling it with a specially wired cable to the syncpipe output

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Need to get something out... Our industry, like many others, doesn't stagnate for long. Right now we're on the edge of a new generation of radio tech, with bitlomat (cross-vendor softwarewith performance gains, gps sync, 802.11ac but down to the PHY layer) ubiquiti (airprism, tdma offloading,

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

So it's Roy against the world of sync 😀 Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 19, 2014, at 5:20 PM, Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote: Yea, I covered that in one of my articles. I just didn’t see everyone sitting around the campfire singing Kumbya. Another reason I don’t worry

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Yea, I covered that in one of my articles. I just didn’t see everyone sitting around the campfire singing Kumbya. Another reason I don’t worry about GPS. My next article covers my main reason. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Sunday,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Language practice

I juststarted learning Irishand German on it a week before Vegas. My wife is working on Italian. It's amazing. I worked withRosetta Stone in the Army for Spanish and (Iraqi) Arabic. It was okay, but this is much more engaging. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspot

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

I think one of the biggest features there thatMimosa is working on is a drumthey haven't even beat that hard yet... They're working ondoing the frequency plan for you. (This is on the website, and in WISPAPALOOZA promo material..) When you have a system that is constantly performing scanning

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

LOL :) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/19/2014 08:13 AM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: I’m assuming all 12 WISPs cooperate with each other? Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett via Af *

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

The website describes it pretty well Rory. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/19/2014 08:07 AM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: Yea, didn’t know if that information violated the old NDA thing Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@

Re: [AFMUG] Random thought

I have been talking with Martin & JT quite a bit. They are now working on a version of the radio adapters for the inner-feed that are shielded. I also asked to see if we could get some slightly larger gain models, say 3-5db more. I was told it probably would make the horns too big, but that th

Re: [AFMUG] OT Language practice

Hablo como un niño de dos años. From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 1:05 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Language practice What kind of Spanish?I am sure Gino can a spin a phrase I will not understand and same for me. "es la pura neta!" Jaime Solorza W

Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?

Force10 4810 48 10g ports Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 19, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Jason McKemie via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote: Ah, my fiber enclosures all have either A/C or thermoelectric cooling, so I haven't worried too much about that. The non hardened planet still specs up to 1

Re: [AFMUG] ptp 450 timing

It's just an SM, there are no sync over power components, timing port only. On 10/19/2014 2:32 PM, Ryan Mano via Af wrote: any one tried to get ptp 450 working through a packetflux? I see when looking under sync status it says Power Port Not Supportedits going to really suck if I cant get

Re: [AFMUG] ptp 450 timing

We just put up a PTP450. We're running it along side a couple of PMP450 APs, but needed to use a separate Syncpipe parasitic to provide timing. I don't understand why it won't take sync over power; it would have been a lot simpler to hook it up. bp On 10/19/2014 12:32 PM, Ryan Mano via Af w

Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?

Ah, my fiber enclosures all have either A/C or thermoelectric cooling, so I haven't worried too much about that. The non hardened planet still specs up to 122 degrees as well, and I believe the Occam blade that I have deployed is even higher. On Sunday, October 19, 2014, Louis Arsenault via Af wr

Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?

The 16 port one is hardened. We can expect it to survive better in a fan vented enclosure. All the other sfp switches I have found are pretty much for inside an air conditioned enclosure. -Louis On Oct 19, 2014 2:18 PM, "Jason McKemie via Af" wrote: > Planet has a switch with 24 SFP ports, or

[AFMUG] ptp 450 timing

any one tried to get ptp 450 working through a packetflux? I see when looking under sync status it says Power Port Not Supportedits going to really suck if I cant get this working thanks

Re: [AFMUG] OT Language practice

What kind of Spanish?I am sure Gino can a spin a phrase I will not understand and same for me. "es la pura neta!" Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: > If you have ever thought about buying Rosetta stone (or h

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Depends on what you need the sync for. We are almost finished with our upgrade that is demonstrating up to 40Mbps right now and that's will limited rocket 5M's. With omni's, I'm just saying it's not that important. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarin

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

I've been doing micropops for about 7+ years now. I mainly started using that model because it enabled me to reach places that I otherwise couldn't. The added SNR and corresponding throughput is a nice side effect though. Customers also like smaller antennas/radios and the mounts that go with them

Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?

Planet has a switch with 24 SFP ports, or if you don't mind spending more per port there are a few companies out there that do 48 lasers in 1u using dual bidi SFPs (Calix being one option). Still not the density of GPON, but better than your example. On Sunday, October 19, 2014, Louis Arsenault vi

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Yeah, competing with all the consumer stuff has to be a challenge. I had an interesting experience with the Boy Scout campout this weekend. It’s in a rural county park, so not competing with consumer WiFi. I put up a dished 5.7 SM to our tower, then used 5.4 GHz PTP Nanostation links to feed e

[AFMUG] OT Language practice

If you have ever thought about buying Rosetta stone (or have bought it, like me but lost interest) check out Duolingo. I play with this every day and compete with my wife on it. I love this free program. Not sure how they are for beginners, my wife and I are conversational in Spanish. I won

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

All those afro mentioned benefit from sync. Mimosa, the latest and greatest pmp (on spec sheet) has GPS sync Canopy, 3G, 4G, Wimax, LTE... All use sync for a reason Lots WiFi based suppliers are moving to sync.. No way around it, FCC should have mandated a form of sync for unlicensed Just imag

Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?

They both have their place. In high density, GPON is a great way to go. If you have your splitters in a neighborhood cabinet that can later house active gear, you can upgrade to active at any time. Saves money in the dense areas. Not so much in not dense areas. That presumes you are buyin

Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?

Forrest, Actually the new PON's designs are doing CWDN over PON which is essentially AE just over individual waves to each sub vs. single fiber to each sub. So the technology is catching ETA was stated around 1 to 2 years before it is available. Sincerely, Jason Pond Grizzly Internet, Inc On S

Re: [AFMUG] does SM ext gain setting matter in 5.7 GHz?

We tested it on 450 and saw no significant difference setting the gain. However as a good practice all techs are required to set the value during an install, in case we ever switch to a 5.4 frequency while dealing with interference. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000

Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?

PON is plant and customer density specific. With high customer counts home running a strand for each can run into scaling problems. For AE you need large distribution frames, lots of patch cables, and many SFP ports which takes up considerable space in the CO. Power consumption and heat per s

Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?

Our reason for looking into it is heat and power. We may have 300+ customer coming into a single cabinet. We will be laying the fiber for active but if we can save on space by not needing 300+ sfp ports plus battery backup for all those switches. We are looking at the Planet switch which has 16 S

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

I'm not in downtown Chicago, but I am in Chicago's suburbs (in addition to rural areas). I can't imagine the density is that much different unless you have a higher ratio of townhomes\duplexes\apartments to single family homes. I don't disagree that smaller and smaller cells are better for SNR

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

I think part of our difference here is environment. I’m in urban areas where 12 other operators aren’t my biggest issues. It’s that every AP I have has 300 houses or more in every direction that have indoor APs, Dish Network whole house video, etc… So, having an AP that has more dynamic feat

Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?

Just to be clear, these modules turn any SFP port into the customer side ONT device. The central office OLT still requires a purpose built device to handle the timing smarts to slice up the bandwidth between ONT’s, as I mentioned previously. So you can turn a Mikrotik router/switch/media conve

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Of the Mu-MIMO vendors I know of (just one), they still use sync. ePMP does use sync. Yes, I can't wait for more Mu-MIMO systems (and the one actually shipping) and the underlying beamforming (and null forming) that they bring to the table. However, all of those systems are made better by syn

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

The network was in suburban Chicago. It wasn't good when it was built. The backhaul that was -87 was of a good brand, so that's all that's of concern, right? Not the inability to understand RF and that -87 feeding five other towers *AND* another WISP. I think by the end of your post, we agree.

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

I think you have my intentions mistaken, Ken. I support sync. I ask for it of every manufacturer. I've been asking MT for it for 10 years. Sync is good. I do not support an omni 450 being better than ePMP with sectors. Sure, the non-sync guys have things to learn, but I think sync has masked s

Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?

+1 On Sunday, October 19, 2014, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: > Go AE > > Gino A. Villarini > @gvillarini > > > > On Oct 19, 2014, at 3:05 AM, TJ Trout via Af > wrote: > > How far away are we from seeing a gpon olt sfp module that would be > mikrotik compatible? Would be nice to use a ccr 12s

Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?

To slightly hijack this. What is the fascination with gpon? >From what I can tell, cabling a plant for active is dirt cheap and is future proof. Gpon isn't. On Oct 19, 2014 1:04 AM, "TJ Trout via Af" wrote: > How far away are we from seeing a gpon olt sfp module that would be > mikrotik compat

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Sync reduces self-interference, whether you cooperate with competitors or not. If you sync with some of your competitors, it's better than no competitors. Your environment may be such that you can't reuse frequencies. That's fine. You still reduce self-interference. You make the most of whatev

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

No argument but I don't think the value statement is there, especially with Ubiquiti and ePMP. At the same time, 802.11ac, MU-MIMO, Beam-forming, and other features in next generation chipsets may change the design models we are now discussing. I'm just saying.. J Rory From: Af [mail

Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?

+1 Wow. Overview The H640SFP is a Gigabit Passive Optical Network (GPON) Stick type ONT in a compact SFP package. The GPON Stick provides a pluggable GPON interface for FTTx and wireless backhaul applications with a compact size and lower power consumption. By being plugged into the L2/L

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

No argument but I don't think the value statement is there, especially with Ubiquiti and ePMP. At the same time, 802.11ac, MU-MIMO, Beam-forming, and other features in next generation chipsets may change the design models we are now discussing. I'm just saying.. J Rory From: Af [mail

[AFMUG] does SM ext gain setting matter in 5.7 GHz?

At the AP it matters because of regulatory limits on EIRP. In DFS frequencies it matters for the DFS algorithm. But if you forget to set the external gain on a 5.7 GHz SM when you add an external antenna or reflector dish, does it matter? Is there something in the performance that is affecte

Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?

Wow, I wonder if they have ap notes. From: Gerard Dupont III via Af Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 10:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when? There are actually multiple vendors selling SFP modules with built in EPON/GPON functionality that present themselves as

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Good to point Also, to some extent, sync will help you on a environment with lots of noise from nonsynced operators Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 19, 2014, at 12:27 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote: I think one point Mike is missing is without the WISPs that use GPS

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Its not a matter of what you use but how it was ratcheted to work. It may not have been built for what needs are for today but maybe 8 yrs ago it was a running system. If I had to use what you listed I could make it work with todays demands but it would not have the range. I have seen more th

Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?

There are actually multiple vendors selling SFP modules with built in EPON/GPON functionality that present themselves as a normal SFP module. I don't know of any for XGPON or any of the newer standards though. http://www.finisar.com/sites/default/files/pdf/FTGN2117P2CUN_FTGN2117P2TUN_GPON_Stick_Pl

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

I think one point Mike is missing is without the WISPs that use GPS sync sharing frequencies, there wouldn’t be enough spectrum for the WISPs that don’t. It’s like someone disputing the value of carpooling because they drive solo and don’t experience traffic jams. But is that because other peop

Re: [AFMUG] Random thought

Or this - From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Odd thing is, they could have done a 4 patch array out of PCB material, had the same gain and pattern for

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

If you don’t have 100% cooperation with GPS sync with competitors for various reasons, you will have interference. When more beam-forming options start coming out, GPS might have value on the same tower, but little value since the trade-off with reduced throughput isn’t worth it. This is why

Re: [AFMUG] Random thought

Odd thing is, they could have done a 4 patch array out of PCB material, had the same gain and pattern for much less money, weight, wind loading and loading moment. If they want sexy they should have done a dielguide/rod antenna. That would have given more gain and been truly “sexy”. Fro

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

You lost me, Rory... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Rory Conaway via Af" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 10:35:08 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons Which then makes it

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

I’ve lost track of what I can and can’t say anymore. “I say Nothing, I jsee Nothing! -Sergeant Schultz From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons I was

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Which then makes it not that valuable. I think Beam-Forming has more value. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons Half or more have the same

Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?

First I've heard of the 455. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini via Af" To: "" Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 9:42:35 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable? Mike do you know if th new ca

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Half or more have the same Canopy settings. The rest are 802.11 based with some cooperating and some not responding to anything. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Rory Conaway via Af" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Su

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

I was told that at the booth, so I'm assuming its clear. There's also a hint to that in the specs on the web site, "Polarization 4 Panels, Alternating Polarization". - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Rory Conawa

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Sort of. Assume the 90 degree antennas have some overlap. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:15 AM To: Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons The other only issue I see with the Mimosa 360 unit

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

The other only issue I see with the Mimosa 360 unit is that you loose Mimo IIrc 1 4x4 radio managed all 4 90deg sectors Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 19, 2014, at 11:09 AM, Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote: Yea, didn’t know if that information violated the old NDA thin

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

I’m assuming all 12 WISPs cooperate with each other? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons Entirely not true spoken by a WISP that has up until

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Yea, didn’t know if that information violated the old NDA thing Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons It "eliminates" the need for sectors...

Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?

Easier to do 10g bidirectional AE Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 19, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Paul Conlin via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote: GPON technology is not housed in the SFP module as that is only the laser and diodes. The timing smarts central to GPON is on the board. Not saying

Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?

GPON technology is not housed in the SFP module as that is only the laser and diodes. The timing smarts central to GPON is on the board. Not saying Mikrotik couldn’t do it just that it is not a compatibility with a plug-in thing. I don’t know if GPON has been boiled down to a chipset and refe

Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?

Mike do you know if th new cambium 455 has them? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 19, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote: I've been beating this drum for a while. Mikrotik is the only one that does. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions ht

Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?

I've been beating this drum for a while. Mikrotik is the only one that does. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Jason McKemie via Af" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:08:05 PM Subject: Re: [A

Re: [AFMUG] Random thought

Energy domes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_dome From: Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:17 AM To: mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Those horns looks sexy!!! Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 19, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett via Af w

Re: [AFMUG] Random thought

Those horns looks sexy!!! Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 19, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote: Right, but you can't expect any serious penetration with only them. I am considering special plans that only apply to the subdivisions immediately around my

Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?

Go AE Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 19, 2014, at 3:05 AM, TJ Trout via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote: How far away are we from seeing a gpon olt sfp module that would be mikrotik compatible? Would be nice to use a ccr 12s and be able to serve hundreds of customers. Seems like we ar

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

On any network, sync is a better rf deployment solution than non sync. Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 19, 2014, at 3:23 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote: I think many of you have gotten in a rut. You defend GPS sync like you don't know how operators can operate or c

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Four GPS ePMPs with 90* sectors is $2,260. One PMP450 AP without antenna is $2,316. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Kurt Fankhauser via Af" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 11:23:00 AM Subj

Re: [AFMUG] Random thought

Right, but you can't expect any serious penetration with only them. I am considering special plans that only apply to the subdivisions immediately around my suburban water towers. I could get something like the new RF Elements horns and have some crazy downtilt so that my signal doesn't go furt

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

The network I bought is a prime example of "using Canopy doesn't guarantee success". Omnis everywhere, Omnis feeding SMs with other omnis behind them. $12k backhauls behind a backhaul link with a -87 signal. Generic (not even Linksys) networking gear, hubs, etc. But hey, he used Cyclones, PTP4

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

It "eliminates" the need for sectors... by having four sectors in one enclosure. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Rory Conaway via Af" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 12:48:06 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

Entirely not true spoken by a WISP that has up until this point used Mikrotik and Ubiquiti in rural and suburban markets with 12 WISP competitors. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Mark Radabaugh via Af" To: af

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

I think many of you have gotten in a rut. You defend GPS sync like you don't know how operators can operate or compete without it, which is pretty lazy problem solving. It can bedone, is being done, and will continue to be done. GPS sync is avery value tool. In some areas, it is virtually requ

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