[AFMUG] Vendors

2015-01-14 Thread Mike Hammett
I hope this doesn't spiral into a vendor bitch fest, because I mean the exact opposite, so please don't hijack my thread too much. Most vendors have been disappointing at one time or another. Most that were disappointing straightened it out. Liz Creekmore at IntelPath has been great

Re: [AFMUG] Its always something

2015-01-14 Thread Ty Featherling
Always nice to find out it is someone else's problem! How are those gloves working out? -Ty On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: I got a call last night to work on a two way radio system (800/900MHz) that was having strange noise issues on Lower

Re: [AFMUG] Its always something

2015-01-14 Thread Ty Featherling
So they are tough enough to climb in without tearing them up? I need some of those! -Ty On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: great,,,I am going to buy another pair for wife and my son. I really like them. the other tower guy is as well. Jaime

Re: [AFMUG] Quick AF hotel question

2015-01-14 Thread Traci
The Ramada Inn, their information is listed on the AFMUG website. On 1/14/2015 2:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Traci, What hotel is AFMUG using? I'd like to use the hotel that everyone else is staying at and help promote the event. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100

[AFMUG] UBNT firewall

2015-01-14 Thread Bill Prince
We notice that any time we use NAT on UBNT we get a lot of login attempts via SSH. Are any of you using the firewall built in? It's not clear from the GUI interface whether this affects input or forwarding, or both. What I'd like to do is block any SSH logins that are not in one of our

Re: [AFMUG] Its always something

2015-01-14 Thread Jaime Solorza
great,,,I am going to buy another pair for wife and my son. I really like them. the other tower guy is as well. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote: Always nice to find out it is someone else's

Re: [AFMUG] Vendors

2015-01-14 Thread Ty Featherling
Awesome! Glad to hear stories like this always. Three cheers for Liz!! -Ty On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I hope this doesn't spiral into a vendor bitch fest, because I mean the exact opposite, so please don't hijack my thread too much. Most vendors

Re: [AFMUG] Quick AF hotel question

2015-01-14 Thread Traci
They are telling us that significant upgrades have been done in the last couple of years. Not sure if its enough to handle this group ;-) . With the Shilo being sold to Holiday Inn, I'm ready not sure what to expect this year from them either. I know registration has been a problem for many who

Re: [AFMUG] Vendors

2015-01-14 Thread Jeff Broadwick
+1! Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick Senior Account Manager, Convergence Technologies, Inc. jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:26 PM To: Animal

Re: [AFMUG] Vendors

2015-01-14 Thread Daniel White
Liz is awesome. Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [AFMUG] E-Rate Internal Connections

2015-01-14 Thread Josh Reynolds
The only thing we provide to 6 schools is microwave shots through our network to the highschool where they have fiber. It's pretty lucrative. On January 14, 2015 9:42:06 AM AKST, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Have any of you done any E-Rate work for internal connections? I have my SPIN

Re: [AFMUG] Quick AF hotel question

2015-01-14 Thread Josh Luthman
Traci, What hotel is AFMUG using? I'd like to use the hotel that everyone else is staying at and help promote the event. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Traci tr...@wbmfg.com wrote: They are

Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link

2015-01-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Did you see my offlist e-mail? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:16:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed

Re: [AFMUG] E-Rate Internal Connections

2015-01-14 Thread Robert Haas
Internal we’re bidding 2 schools this year. 1 of which we know we didn’t get the job. Both schools are wanting to replace aging wiring, AP’s switches wand one of the schools wants to upgrade their internal fiber connections to all 10Gb. We’ve won both schools Internet connectivity –

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Gino Villarini
4+0 its not the same, diferrent case Think of the 4x4 magic as: using 2 Airfibers in the same path aggregating the bw to 1500 mbps fdx using the same 100 mhz channel 4+0 is: using 2 Airfibers in the same path aggregating the bw to 1500 mbps fdx using the 2 differnet 100 mhz channels Got it

[AFMUG] holy crap...

2015-01-14 Thread Josh Reynolds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY A little too close to those guy wires for my blood. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Caleb Knauer
Each ODU has two separate cores, so one ODU gives you 2x throughput of your standard single core ODU we're used to dealing with. They do a bunch of crazy things with combiners, MIMO sync, etc and some creative naming mechanisms. But in the end your standard IP20C with both cores on an 80Mhz

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Bill Prince
There is marketing, and then there is marketing. Heck, we're getting ~~ 490 Mbps in 50 MHz on some HC+ units; and that's still only 256QAM. A few more QAMs and I think it would go over 500Mbps per channel. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 1/14/2015 2:23 PM, Peter Kranz wrote: What are the

Re: [AFMUG] Ethernet RX overruns...

2015-01-14 Thread Mark Radabaugh
As best I can tell this is normal for customers pushing hard upload when the upload channel starts to get a but congested. I don’t really worry about it. Mark On Jan 14, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote: Getting this on the Ethernet stats with a couple of SMs

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Gino Villarini
2x2 mimo you use the same channel , on this setup you are using 2 channelsŠ so 2 (2x2) = 4x4 = 16 :-) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/14/15, 6:31 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote: I think I would call that 2x2

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Jon Langeler
It's like 500Mbps vs 650Mbps (off the top of my head) when using a ~50MHz vs 80MHz. If you can go high end for the same price as mid range, why not. Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2015, at 5:30 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote: There is marketing, and

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Gino Villarini
If you have 2 xpic channels or 4 individual channels, you can run 4+0 with 2 units (4 radios cores) into 1 antenna…. Sweet! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/14/15, 8:09 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote: This all

Re: [AFMUG] Its always something

2015-01-14 Thread Jaime Solorza
Yes Jaime Solorza On Jan 14, 2015 2:03 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote: So they are tough enough to climb in without tearing them up? I need some of those! -Ty On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: great,,,I am going to buy

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Daniel White
In 80MHz with one TX channel you should be able to hit ~640Mbps with no header compression or any other added features at 1024QAM. Daniel White – Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Bill Prince
OK. I think I get it! But I would still call it (2x2) + (2x2). Or as you say 4+0. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 1/14/2015 4:12 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: You run 2 radios per antenna Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On

Re: [AFMUG] E-Rate Internal Connections

2015-01-14 Thread Jaime Solorza
Damn my phone...gnat. Jaime Solorza On Jan 14, 2015 6:29 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Wow you sound like a typical yahoo Texan...blaming Obama for E rate mess and everything bad. I worked at a school district for three years and it is a cumbersome system with problems

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun Read

2015-01-14 Thread That One Guy
People are stupid. People will always be stupid. They just live longer On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Steve D bigd...@gmail.com wrote: I recently listened to a rant about the dangers of wireless while terminating a cable inside a home that lead out to the customers shiny new radio. I

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Bill Prince
This all sounds like nomenclature and smoke and mirrors. If there are two antennas; one H and one V, then it would be 2x2 MIMO, unless you are running more than one radio per polarity. Then it's still not 4x4 MIMO, but more like 2x2 PLUS 2x2? bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 1/14/2015 3:55

[AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Peter Kranz
How does LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio units work..? What is the real throughput of this radio? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Gino Villarini
You need to add to the fact that you can get more 2x the bandwitdh by adding a second ODU and antenna in a setup similar to spatial diversity Using the same channel and polarityŠ So 4x4 mimo in Ceragon terms is: 4 dual core ODUS a (4 radio paths) 4 Antennas Using 2 channels ( can be xpic

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Peter Kranz
So a single IP20C unit does not do a traditional 2x2 MIMO with a single antenna? I was under the impression the IP20C would do H and V chains with the single head.. ~600 per polarity in 80Mhz.. giving ~1.2 Gbps for IP20C radio.. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk:

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
Didn't you have a chart? Was it on coffee mugs or t shirts or something, or were those requests from the peanut gallery? Somehow there's a chart for that doesn't have the same zing as there's an app for that. -Original Message- From: Daniel White Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 1/14/15 16:16, Bill Prince wrote: OK. I think I get it! But I would still call it (2x2) + (2x2). I call MIMO and 4x4 crap when referring to licensed gear. For licensed stuff just say how many channels need to be licensed. Channel size and modulation gives me capacity. No smoke or

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Gino Villarini
Seth , you are not grasping the concept. Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Jan 14, 2015, at 8:34 PM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 1/14/15 16:16, Bill Prince wrote: OK. I think I get it! But I would still call it (2x2) + (2x2). I call MIMO and 4x4 crap when referring to

[AFMUG] ePMP remote power

2015-01-14 Thread Jay Weekley
Will my 18 volt battery that I've been using for my Canopy and Ubiuiti installs power an ePMP sm? I'm reluctant to try it before hearing otherwise.

[AFMUG] Ethernet RX overruns...

2015-01-14 Thread Bill Prince
Getting this on the Ethernet stats with a couple of SMs running in NAT mode. I thought the TCP/IP would self-throttle to a large degree. Is the SM faulty, or is the customer's router just stuffing the pipe without regard to anything? Anything I can do about it? RxOverrun : 1628

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Jon Langeler
so yes it does 80mhz x 80mhz if you license both 'ports'. It simply like two radios in one enclosure. Depending on the adapter of which you can change later, both of those channels will be on H and V or the same polarityeither way. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Peter

Re: [AFMUG] [BULK] Re: 1 Gigabit Licensed Link

2015-01-14 Thread Daniel White
You know my mom was a trustee for the town when I was growing up. Maybe it’s in my blood… I am in sales now after all :-D At least I screwed up in the wrong direction… made our product as awesome as it is Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303)

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Bill Prince
I think I would call that 2x2 MIMO. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 1/14/2015 2:29 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: You need to add to the fact that you can get more 2x the bandwitdh by adding a second ODU and antenna in a setup similar to spatial diversity Using the same channel and polarity�

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP remote power

2015-01-14 Thread Josh Luthman
Definitely. I've been doing it for weeks. The SM goes as low as 10v I believe. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Will my 18 volt battery that I've been

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Peter Kranz
So if you use both cores.. and one core feeds H and the other feeds V on the same antenna.. what is the maximum throughput in a 80Mhz channel? Is that the ~1.2Gbps number? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Gino Villarini
Yes…and you chain them by a special fiber port Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/14/15, 7:52 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: By another set of radios.. you mean another double-core IP20c feeding another antenna

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 1/14/15 15:39, Ken Hohhof wrote: Didn't you have a chart? Was it on coffee mugs or t shirts or something, or were those requests from the peanut gallery? Somehow there's a chart for that doesn't have the same zing as there's an app for that. I remember seeing a chart, but I didn't save

Re: [AFMUG] E-Rate Internal Connections

2015-01-14 Thread Jaime Solorza
Wow you sound like a typical yahoo Texan...blaming Obama for E rate mess and everything bad. I worked at a school district for three years and it is a cumbersome system with problems even when President with IQ of a knat was in office. When I was reseller/VAR we had spin number and all...won a

Re: [AFMUG] Its always something

2015-01-14 Thread Ty Featherling
Are those the Carhartts or the IronClads? -Ty On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Yes Jaime Solorza On Jan 14, 2015 2:03 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote: So they are tough enough to climb in without tearing them up? I need some

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Peter Kranz
What are the 4 polarities to achieve 4x4 MIMO? I surprised by the 1.2 Gbps limit, given I get ~400 Mbps per polarity in a 50Mhz channel at 256QAM with our Dragonwave Compact units. I would have envisioned over 2 Gbps with 4x4 MIMO and 2048QAM. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Gino Villarini
A single ip20 has dual core RF, so it can do h/v same channel or different and h/h or v/v Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/14/15, 7:18 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: So a single IP20C unit does not do a

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Gino Villarini
Yeap… and you can double that using another set of radios with the same channel Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/14/15, 7:34 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: So if you use both cores.. and one core feeds H and

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Peter Kranz
By another set of radios.. you mean another double-core IP20c feeding another antenna with spacial diversity? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Gino Villarini
You run 2 radios per antenna Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/14/15, 8:09 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote: This all sounds like nomenclature and smoke and mirrors. If there are two antennas; one H and one V, then

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart

2015-01-14 Thread Josh Luthman
How about something for the climbers? Y'know, the guys that need to know this information... http://www.cafepress.com/+personalisable_sports_bottle,1397479670 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Ken

Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

2015-01-14 Thread Jaime Solorza
I agree...bet this was illegal climb Jaime Solorza On Jan 14, 2015 5:57 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY A little too close to those guy wires for my blood. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon LTE frequency band

2015-01-14 Thread Darin Steffl
Yes, band 13 700mhz and band 4 AWS spectrum. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Is Verizon using 700Mhz for their LTE service? Jaime Solorza -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like

Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link

2015-01-14 Thread Mike Hammett
So if 2+0 and you have more than 1 gigabit of throughput due to compression, then do the bits just fall on the floor or would I have to employ LAG on the router? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Daniel White

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP remote power

2015-01-14 Thread Jay Weekley
That's all I needed to hear. Josh Luthman wrote: Definitely. I've been doing it for weeks. The SM goes as low as 10v I believe. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Jay Weekley

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart

2015-01-14 Thread Daniel White
I’ll send one with that 10 link PO next week :P Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of

Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices

2015-01-14 Thread Sean Heskett
The Saudi prince knows this and if we move to renewables then his country becomes a desert once again. As long as they have oil they will fight to remain viable...wouldn't you. They have tested and know very well the price elasticity of oil. They don't want competitors, wether it's other oil

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous

2015-01-14 Thread Daniel White
And before anyone breaks out the pitchforks – I’m trying to add to the conversation here. No good conversation happens without a counterpoint :-D I understand everything is relative. I understand that if that licensed link was $1,000 less, your ROI would be faster… or you could spend more

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon LTE frequency band

2015-01-14 Thread Jaime Solorza
So upper band ..I have a yagi 745 to 800Mhz I am going to try on a project we are finishing. One end is jumping in and out of LTE with supplied omni.I will try that and see if it improves signal. Jaime Solorza On Jan 14, 2015 6:53 PM, Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.com wrote: Yes, band

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart

2015-01-14 Thread Daniel White
Do you need the information while sitting at your desk planning a link or 100ft in the air installing an Access Point? Our CEO’s philosophy on this at least. Also, I don’t think the chart looked as nice on the metal water bottles we sampled. Daniel White | Managing Director SAF

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart

2015-01-14 Thread Josh Luthman
One Po for 1 foot of chain incoming. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 11:26 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote: I’ll send one with that 10 link PO next week :P [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370]

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous

2015-01-14 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 1/14/15 8:46 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote: From my experience the price has not changed very much. Someone needs to take the reigns on the market. Even with certain companies throwing you a promo price, if you really look at it fully loaded, the price is still high for what you get. The

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart

2015-01-14 Thread Daniel White
Drink up: Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous

2015-01-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
Now I read an Ars article pointing to this PAC saying Comcast/NBC is colluding with Obama: http://static1.squarespace.com/static/53039c35e4b00ab5492b3143/t/54b58381e4b0fe684b26127f/1421181825846/NBC+Press+Conservative+War+Chest+Rallies+NBC+Affiliates.pdf I can’t tell news from satire anymore.

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon LTE frequency band

2015-01-14 Thread TJ Trout
700 for lte 1700 2100 for xlte On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Is Verizon using 700Mhz for their LTE service? Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon LTE frequency band

2015-01-14 Thread Josh Luthman
Less than... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 8:50 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Is Verizon using 700Mhz for their LTE service? Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link

2015-01-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Does anyone know if 2048 QAM isn't ready yet? I don't see it listed under 80 MHz channel size in LinkPlanner nor the datasheets. Oddly, it shows up on the smaller channels. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From:

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart

2015-01-14 Thread Josh Luthman
I want an awesome water bottle with that on it Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 11:11 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote: Do you need the information while sitting at your desk planning a link or 100ft in the

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart

2015-01-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Latvian shot glasses? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 10:11:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart Do

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous

2015-01-14 Thread Mike Hammett
With all of the licensed gear going in world-wide for LTE backhaul, I'd say there are more units moving than you'd think. Maybe it's that demand that's keeping prices up? I'd think that licensed backhauls would fit into the category of halve the cost, more than double your sales. In the

[AFMUG] Microcom

2015-01-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Who do you guys work with at Microcom? The guy I worked with moved on and his delegate doesn't seem to be awake today. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

2015-01-14 Thread Jason McKemie
Strange that GoPro would seemingly sponsor an illegal climb. Also strange that the tower owner would allow this... On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: I agree...bet this was illegal climb Jaime Solorza On Jan 14, 2015 5:57 PM, Josh Reynolds

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Except this is actually using the same channel, not four channels. As long this gear as been around and as big of a name Ceragon is and there are this many people that don't know anything about it? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

2015-01-14 Thread Jon Langeler
Yeah if you can license individual channels, the MIMO thing doesn't make sense. If your all out of spectrum and need to increase capacity, then look into it Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:15 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Except this is actually using the same channel,

Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

2015-01-14 Thread Josh Luthman
Gopro probably doesn't know. Tower owner didn't know or got paid. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 9:23 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: Strange that GoPro would seemingly sponsor an illegal

Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices

2015-01-14 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like $250/barrel and stay there. We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next. There are a lot of viable options

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous

2015-01-14 Thread Josh Reynolds
It's not a mass market item. On January 14, 2015 7:30:13 PM AKST, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: After several years, when will we see Licensed radios come down in price? There is so much margin in these things. Its ridiculous -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail.

[AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous

2015-01-14 Thread Erich Kaiser
After several years, when will we see Licensed radios come down in price? There is so much margin in these things. Its ridiculous

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous

2015-01-14 Thread Jason McKemie
You can get a full link that does 400mbit up/down for around $6k sans licensing. I think that is pretty good compared to a few years ago. On Thursday, January 15, 2015, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: From my experience the price has not changed very much. Someone needs to

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous

2015-01-14 Thread Daniel White
*soapbox* Demand in the overall marketplace has dropped for… 3 years straight now I think? Believe it or not – many of the LTE builds (at least in NA) are done for microwave. ATT stopped building about 6 months ago – many of their contractors went out of business. Millimeter wave and

Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions

2015-01-14 Thread Chuck McCown
News to me. Who is selling them for that price? From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 6:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions It has a GPS puck but I keep hearing you want a single source for a site. I think the WB poe card thing is 80 bucks?

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Deployment/Construction

2015-01-14 Thread Chuck McCown
And Daniel et al are the ones paying for lunch, dinner, the show, pretty much everything. Please show your thanks by sticking around as much as possible. -Original Message- From: Daniel White Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP AP acting strange?

2015-01-14 Thread Gabriel . wispa
Yes. It is close to 20v. Or at least it was when it left the shop. I will have my tower guy check when he is out there this afternoon. -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Date: 01/14/15 09:43 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP AP acting strange?

Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions

2015-01-14 Thread Josh Luthman
MSRP 70 http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=77 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 10:21 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I thought it was about half that when I checked. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:39 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions

2015-01-14 Thread Chuck McCown
And the street price is? From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:26 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions MSRP 70 http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=77 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH

Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions

2015-01-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
It looks like $70 MSRP for the APC version, $60 for the standalone version, street price on both below $40. If you think those are too expensive, price out Transtector ALPU or Cambium LPU, well over $100, and those are just surge suppressors. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, January 14,

Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link

2015-01-14 Thread Gino Villarini
Aggregation needs to be done on the modem at layer 1 Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: afmu...@gmail.commailto:afmu...@gmail.com afmu...@gmail.commailto:afmu...@gmail.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link

2015-01-14 Thread Jon Langeler
I can get really good pricing on an 80mhz 11GHz IP20 link at full speed or any freq for that matter. And help configure if anyone is interested. It takes 10 min to configure an IP20 if you know what your doing :) Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:31 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link

2015-01-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Did it fall off a truck? I just e-mailed the guys at MapleNet, but I'll e-mail you offlist. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January

Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link

2015-01-14 Thread Jon Langeler
no, we bought crates of links though :) Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Did it fall off a truck? I just e-mailed the guys at MapleNet, but I'll e-mail you offlist. - Mike Hammett Intelligent

Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link

2015-01-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Who are you guys talking to for Cambium PTPs or with their change in the channel, can anyone sell them? Now, just because someone can sell them doesn't mean they're competitive at it. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message

Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions

2015-01-14 Thread Mathew Howard
I thought it was about half that when I checked. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: No idea the actual price, just guessing. I remember it didn't make sense for my installs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St

Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions

2015-01-14 Thread Josh Luthman
Dunno, I needed 12 ports and 8 with sync. I haven't had a place to use one of these. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 10:30 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: And the street price is? *From:* Josh

Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link

2015-01-14 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 1/14/15 6:18 AM, Daniel White wrote: SAF has a good whitepaper on LAG and how it applies to each platform (currently being updated for Integra) – and certainly for instance our Lumina platform could only look at MAC addresses. Integra looks at the packet – just like better switches do. I

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP AP acting strange?

2015-01-14 Thread Josh Luthman
Is your power source close to 20v? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 8:30 AM, Gabriel Pike gabriel.wi...@dmcibb.net wrote: Sync is through packetflux injector. I believe so it is working on FSK 900 on the same tower.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP AP acting strange?

2015-01-14 Thread Josh Luthman
That's the cut off voltage. At 20.01 it will power off. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 10:04 AM, Gabriel.wispa gabriel.wi...@dmcibb.net wrote: Yes. It is close to 20v. Or at least it was when it left the shop. I

Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link

2015-01-14 Thread Bill Prince
AKA Ceregon IP20... bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 1/14/2015 5:51 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Cambium 820

[AFMUG] OT Fun Read

2015-01-14 Thread Chuck McCown
http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/people/the-town-without-wi-fi/

Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link

2015-01-14 Thread Caleb Knauer
We recently put in a 3.5 mile IP20C link, 11Ghz, 60Mhz XPIC with same frequency and it's doing a gig. 80Mhz will go faster, but it's all we had available at the time of the rush install for the ODU. The IP20C is cool because you can use two cores on one physical ODU and it makes the physical

Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link

2015-01-14 Thread Gino Villarini
+1, that the reason that I use Trango 2+0 it has physical aggregation on layer 1 Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.netmailto:m...@amplex.net Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com

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